[00:01] <kulelu88> is it possible to not be able to get back 'into' a remote server after rebooting it?
[00:01] <Ben64> kulelu88: of course
[00:02] <ShotokanZH> Jordan_U, so apparently linux is booting, DE is not, i'm installing the nvidia drivers now
[00:02] <kulelu88> I want to reboot my remote server, but I am scared that i will not be able to SSH back into it
[00:02] <ShotokanZH> i'm pretty sure it's just that
[00:02] <Ben64> kulelu88: well as long as you didn't do anything weird it should be fine
[00:03] <kulelu88> Ben64: how do I safely reboot the server?
[00:03] <Ben64> sudo reboot
[00:04] <russell> ssell
[00:04] <russell> russell
[00:07] <kulelu88> another question I have is coming from this link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Apt-Cacher-Server#Import_existing_cached_Packages . What does this do:    sudo /usr/share/apt-cacher/apt-cacher-import.pl -l /var/cache/apt/archives ? Does it: import the actual .deb files or just creates a symlink?
[00:09] <OerHeks> ...  by creating symlinks
[00:10] <kulelu88> but it comes across as ambiguous to me OerHeks . Is the symlink importing the .deb files with the .pl file?
[00:12] <OerHeks> the pl file creates symlinks in that /var/ folder, to the original debs in /usr/ , that is all.
[00:13] <ShotokanZH> Jordan_U, *ew* it wooooooooooooooorksssssssssssssss
[00:14] <jak2000> ShotokanZH: thanks thanks
[00:14] <jak2000> worked
[00:14] <bmsr256> hi, any news about amd radeon drivers for 16.04?
[00:15] <Ben64> bmsr256: they're in the kernel
[00:15] <ikonia> in what respect news ?
[00:15] <kulelu88> OerHeks: when managing an apt-cacher-server, if I update apt-cacher-server with "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade", can I use the updated .deb files in apt-cacher-server for my other machines?
[00:16] <bmsr256> i mean if there are new proprietary drivers for amd graphics, in the newer versions of Ubuntu
[00:16] <yvear> hello! I'm using Kubuntu 16.04 and am controlling it via VNC. my issue is that if I leave it idle for a time the screen goes to sleep and disconnects VNC and also same thing with Teamviewer. is this normal for screensaver to interrupt graphical things?
[00:18] <OerHeks> kulelu88, if you configure those clients correct, yes
[00:18] <OerHeks> bmsr256, no.
[00:18] <ShotokanZH> going at bed
[00:18] <ShotokanZH> have a good night folks!
[00:18] <jak2000> ShotokanZH no
[00:18] <jak2000> send me 8 beers please
[00:19]  * jak2000 send to ShotokanZH a Buchananas 1L
[00:19] <kulelu88> OerHeks: essentially, a strategy of upgrading the apt-cacher first and, with properly configured clients, you can share the .deb files downstream?
[00:19] <bmsr256> OerHeks: ok, thanks
[00:20] <OerHeks> kulelu88, strange way of asking: that is what apt-cache-service does
[00:20] <OerHeks> not downloading debs from WAN per client
[00:21] <kulelu88> OerHeks: and because apt-cacher acts as the proxy between my clients and the apt-servers, whatever .deb files are coming into my client will also have a copy on apt-cacher? If that is the case, does that mean I can horizontally update 5 clients that all require the same x-package that I have already downloaded in my first download (in the first client) ?
[00:23] <OerHeks> 1st client would be the apt-cache service. but yes, you can run flat.
[00:24] <kulelu88> thanks OerHeks . apt-cacher is fascinating
[00:25] <OerHeks> next step would be running an own mirror.
[00:25] <yvear> hello! I'm using Kubuntu 16.04 and am controlling it via VNC. my issue is that if I leave it idle for a time the screen goes to sleep and disconnects VNC and also same thing with Teamviewer meaning I have to unlock screen locally or disable power saving. is this normal for screensaver to interrupt graphical things?
[00:26] <crafty1> yvear: The default screensaver is just a blank screen and my monitor turns off
[00:26] <crafty1> Im also on Kubuntu
[00:26] <crafty1> I would think adjust the power settings to get the desired result
[00:27] <yvear> crafty1, is it normal for vnc to not work when the screen turns off?
[00:28] <kulelu88> OerHeks: I don't think I need a mirror, I just need an option to not need to download the same stuff repeatedly
[00:28] <kulelu88> (for containers)
[00:33] <alesaico> hi
[00:34] <alesaico> opera develper is free?
[00:36] <OerHeks> alesaico, if the website says so, it is not in our repository
[00:39] <crafty1> yvear: No - If the system is not hibernating you should be able to connect.  My thought is that its your system is sleeping
[00:43] <yvear> crafty1, ah ty! it was suspending when on battery. thank you very much!
[00:43] <crafty1> I suspected as much.  You're welcome
[01:03] <kais> --
[01:05] <Bashing-om> ShotokanZH: Back, see you are making progress :), might try that boot parameter i915.preliminary_hw_support=1 to pick up the Intel graphics, maybe .
[01:18] <hek293z> Good evening.
[01:18] <quizzy85> good afternoon nzt
[01:19] <wyseguy> hola
[01:20] <wyseguy> quiet room
[01:43] <excelsiora> Hi ubuntu! Should I frequently be running apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:45] <bazhang> excelsiora, how often do you see held back packages
[01:58] <Guest65576> what is command-not-found?
[01:59] <Bashing-om> Guest65576: Huh ? In what context .. gnerally, pretty much what it says .
[02:01] <Guest65576> it's a package.
[02:05] <excelsiora> bazhang: I don't know what those are.
[02:05] <excelsiora> What's a held-back package?
[02:07] <excelsiora> what about do-release-upgrade?
[02:11] <excelsiora> When should I use apt instead of apt-get?
[02:13] <irinix> excelsiora, synaptic
[02:14] <excelsiora> I've always used apt-get.
[02:14] <excelsiora> why synaptic?
[02:14] <excelsiora> does apt bundle apt-get commands?
[02:16] <excelsiora> like, I was writing a bash function to make my bashing less ad-hoc-y, so I wrote a function like this:
[02:16] <battery> what does resolv.conf file?
[02:16] <battery> what resolv.conf file does?
[02:17] <excelsiora> apt-install  ()
[02:17] <excelsiora> {   sudo sh -c "sudo apt-get update ;
[02:17] <excelsiora>                 sudo apt-get install $1"
[02:17] <excelsiora> }
[02:17] <excelsiora>  
[02:18] <excelsiora> battery: you seem to be asking, "What does the resolv.conf file do?"
[02:18] <battery> yes excelsiora
[02:18] <battery> :)
[02:18] <Jordan_U> !pastebin | excelsiora
[02:18] <excelsiora> Yeah, but that was only 4 lines... :(
[02:19] <Jordan_U> excelsiora: apt is not a front end for apt-get, it is a new implementation which has some nice UI features.
[02:19] <Bashing-om> battery: That file holds the nameserver IP .. ' cat /etc/resolv.conf ' and follow the bread crumbs .
[02:19] <excelsiora> oh, ok.
[02:20] <battery> i can change content Bashing-om ?
[02:21] <battery> i can change resolv.conf content?
[02:22] <Bashing-om> battery: Not recommended " #     DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
[02:23] <battery> thanks Bashing-om
[02:25] <Bashing-om> battery: np. but --- what issue are you facing ?
[02:25] <excelsiora> I have a (conspiracy) theory that the government(s) made Canonical/Ubuntu make kernel management and swapping hard for encryptors.
[02:26] <battery> i think that if i use country nameser, then they intercept my information. so i want to use 8.8.8.8 instead of country nameserver. Bashing-om
[02:26] <Jordan_U> excelsiora: Please keep such comments to #ubuntu-offtopic .
[02:27] <battery> Bashing-om: my opinion is correct?
[02:28] <sirius2> how do I get the text based installation from terminal?
[02:28] <Bashing-om> battery: Are you running a GUI with network-manager installed ? Think you want to make that change then in network-manager (??) .
[02:28] <battery> i don’t know Bashing-om
[02:31] <Bashing-om> battery: Best I can say, is best not to be messing around until you do know .
[02:32] <battery> ok
[02:32] <battery> Bashing-om:
[02:32] <battery> :)
[02:44] <HoloIRCUser4> Heloo
[02:45] <HoloIRCUser4> Anybody know how to crack wifi pass with ubuntu
[02:46] <excelsiora> I think you're looking for one of them pen-testing distros like Kali Linux.
[02:47] <HoloIRCUser4> Thanks
[02:50] <givonne> newbie can anyone help with understanding bash if conditions?
[02:53] <excelsiora> givonne: Look at your .bashrc - and study those.
[02:53] <givonne> my confusion is over when to use [] or () and "test"
[02:54] <givonne> and why does "-o" or "-a" work, while || and && do not
[02:56] <Bashing-om> givonne1: Best bash tutorial I am aware of : http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FullBashGuide ; Well answer all your questions .
[02:59] <Kirito_> If I have a laptop with two independent mSSD's, and I intend to install Ubuntu on one and Windows on the other, does it still matter whether or not I install Ubuntu using UEFI or not?
[03:00] <Kirito_> These devices used to be configured as a RAID 0 device with intel fakeraid, but I've gotten so sick of trying to make that work that I'm opting to just use the devices individually now
[03:05] <Bashing-om> Kirito_: I think, IF windows is installed UEFI and ubuntu as MBR, then grub will not recognize Windows boot code for chainloading onto the boot menu . There are advantages to UEFI .. moreso in the long run .
[03:06] <Kirito_> Yeah, but in the case of two independent disks, I imagine I should just be able to select which disk to boot into from the BIOS and it will "just work", so grub should not even technically needed to boot into Windows
[03:07] <Bashing-om> Kirito_: Yeah .. I too think that .
[03:10] <Kirito_> UEFI and SecureBoot have given me such severe headaches over the last year though, even if I can recognize the benefits and know I should be using it, it is such a hassle on this system that I almost just want it to burn
[03:11] <Kirito_> That's coming from using Arch though. I was hoping moving to Ubuntu would make things significantly easier and it would "just work", but sadly not :/
[03:12] <Bashing-om> Kirito_: Yeah, a steep departure from MBR, and there is no standard emplementation, every manufacturer does it different. Makes it hard to understand .
[03:13] <Jordan_U> krisko_: Whichever you choose (I recommend UEFI, since many boot firmwars implementations do stupid things with hardware initialization when booting via CSM) make sure all OSs are using the same method.
[03:13] <Kirito_> Indeed, then you have manufacturers like mine also, which force things like SecureBoot on you and won't even let you disable it
[03:13] <Bashing-om> Kirito_: Acer ?
[03:13] <Kirito_> Gigabyte/Aorus
[03:15] <m5w> speaking of Acer...
[03:15] <excelsiora> Is there a recommended way to add paths to one's environmental path variable, and then be able to remove it?
[03:15] <m5w> I can't get gparted, debian, or now ubuntu to boot on either UEFI or legacy
[03:15] <codepython7771> how do i move to 4.6.3 on ubuntu 14.04 LTS? Is that safe to do?
[03:16] <m5w> (live USB)
[03:16] <codepython7771> I am now on 3.13 - want to move to kernel 4.6.3
[03:17] <OerHeks> codepython7771, wait 18 days for the LTS upgrade
[03:17] <cwolford> can't get the scanner of my multifunction canon pixma mp560 printer to work. i've been googling, trying all sorts of programs, and failing all day. the only program that worked is vuescan which is proprietary. if that works, i'm not sure why i can't get simple scan or xsane image scanning program to work.
[03:17] <Bashing-om> m5w: Have you set a password for secure boot in the firmware ??
[03:17] <m5w> when I boot in legacy, grub doesn't even show up, but I get some splash screen for less than a second and then a black screen with a blinking cursor
[03:17] <codepython7771> OerHeks: LTS 14.04 or 16.04 ?
[03:17] <m5w> Bashing-om: I've disabled secure boot
[03:18] <m5w> yes, had to set password
[03:18] <OerHeks> 16.04 .. what else?
[03:18] <codepython7771> OerHeks: what is the current longterm stable kernel that i can migrate to on 14.04 LTS?
[03:18] <codepython7771> I'm not planning to move to 16.04 LTS right now
[03:18] <m5w> on UEFI, at least I get a grub menu
[03:19] <m5w> I have a GeForce 940M, so I added nomodeset to the boot params after the initial boot didn't work
[03:19] <OerHeks> codepython7771, so you *want* the newest kernel, but not the rest ??
[03:19] <m5w> I also added noquiet nosplash, and yet I see zero text
[03:19] <codepython7771> OerHeks: yes
[03:19] <m5w> just a black screen
[03:19] <codepython7771> OerHeks: sudo apt-get install linux-generic-lts-xenial - where is this at right now?
[03:20] <m5w> I have an Acer Aspire E5-573G if that is of any use
[03:20] <codepython7771> OerHeks: will that get me in trouble?
[03:20] <OerHeks> codepython7771,  i am not going to help to break your system like that.
[03:21] <codepython7771> OerHeks: what is a good kernel upgrade I can do for my 14.04LTS?
[03:21] <Bashing-om> m5w: See if oldfred's post will help ya : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2325229&highlight=Acer .
[03:21] <cwolford> codepython7771 why don't you want 16.04?
[03:21] <codepython7771> cwolford: there are packages that i cant yet compile for 16.04
[03:23] <OerHeks> you should run the LTSEnablementStack but i guess it is not giving kernel 4.6.x https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[03:23] <hammer25> hey guys, I'm trying to make the atom text editor the default program to open .py files, but when I go into properties on one and set the open with app, atom doesn't even show up on the list
[03:24] <codepython7771> OerHeks: sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-wily xserver-xorg-core-lts-wily xserver-xorg-lts-wily xserver-xorg-video-all-lts-wily xserver-xorg-input-all-lts-wily libwayland-egl1-mesa-lts-wily  ---> What kernel does this give me?
[03:25] <m5w> Bashing-om: so I need secure boot enabled, and trust certain Ubuntu fikes?
[03:25] <m5w> *files
[03:25] <OerHeks> codepython7771, idk, current wily is 4.2
[03:26] <cwolford> hammer25, does this help? http://linuxcommando.blogspot.com/2014/03/how-to-specify-default-applications-for.html
[03:27] <excelsiora> NEWPATH=$(python -c "import os; path = os.getenv('PATH').split(':'); del path[0]; print(':'.join(path))")
[03:28] <hammer25> cwolford i'll give it a read
[03:31] <Bashing-om> m5w: I am not familiar with Acer, but best I recall .. something in that nature .
[03:33] <cwolford> can't get the scanner of my multifunction canon pixma mp560 printer to work. i've been googling, trying all sorts of programs, and failing all day. the only program that worked is VueScan which is proprietary. if that works, i'm not sure why i can't get simple scan or xsane image scanning program to work.
[03:36] <excelsiora> IDK, this one might be better: NEWPATH2=$(python -c "import os; path = os.getenv('PATH').split(':'); del path[0]; print(':'.join(path))")
[03:36] <cwolford> excelsiora, who are you talking to?
[03:37] <excelsiora> oops, I mean this one: NEWPATH2=$(echo $PATH | python -c "import sys; path = sys.stdin.read().split(':'); del path[0]; print(':'.join(path))")
[03:38] <excelsiora> cwolford: I *had* asked about removing directories from the PATH (it's easy to add, hard to take away...)
[03:39] <aaron_336> bbbbbbbbbb
[03:40] <cwolford> excelsiora ah...gotcha. sorry. i saw "print" in there and thought i might've missed an answer to my question. lol
[03:44] <m5w> Bashing-om: I went through the entire structure of the USB and made every .EFI bootable. I'm still getting a black screen
[03:44] <m5w> I'll try again with nomodeset
[03:45] <m5w> ...aaand a black screen again
[03:46] <Bashing-om> m5w: I Wish ( not) that I knew .. but I have not the Acer experience to advise .
[03:50] <xdevnull> Hello guys, I've installed a sofware by "Software Center" however, When i try to open it it doesn't open? How i can open it via terminal to see even it shows any error message when running it?
[03:55] <OerHeks> xdevnull, nobody can answer that, what software?
[03:55] <matt|home> evenin, im tryin to install ubuntu alongside my win7 disk, but i forgot to defrag/change the partition size etc. im currently running ubuntu off a live usb drive right now, can i do all that stuff here
[03:55] <matt|home> or do i need to do it with windows
[03:55] <xdevnull> QerHeks, My bad, Sorry. I was looking for the path where software are installed.
[03:55] <OerHeks> best way is doing that from within windows, matt|home.
[03:55] <xdevnull> /usr/bin
[03:55] <matt|home> aight
[03:56] <matt|home> ty
[04:07] <cwolford> I haven't been able to get the scanner portion of my multifunction Canon Pixma MP560 printer to work (USB or WiFi--and it's apparently supported from all of the Linux and Canon webpages I've read). I've been googling, trying all sorts of programs, and failing all day. The only program that has worked is VueScan which is proprietary (and I'm not spending $50 on a simple scanning program). Would there be any useful information
[04:07] <cwolford> that I can use from the VueScan software that would allow me to get my scanner to work?
[04:07] <jakesyl> So a couple of hours ago I turned off my computer, when I turned it back on it dropped to initframs.  After a couple of minutes of trying stuff, I ran fsck and it was fixed.  My question is what caused the issue in the first place and how fsck fixed it?
[04:09] <cwolford> The printer portion of the MP560 works like a champ over Wifi after supplying its IP address.
[04:09] <cwolford> I can't, for the life of me, figure out why the printer is recognized but the scanner isn't.
[04:14] <Grorco> Hello!
[04:15] <Grorco> Does anyone else lose the graphical portion of their mouse when switching back from another user?
[04:16] <cwolford> Grorco are you referring to the mouse pointer?
[04:16] <Grorco> cwolford, yes
[04:17] <Grorco> I just wanted to be specific that I can still click
[04:17] <Grorco> and move it around it's just invisible
[04:17] <cwolford> Grorco can't say that i've had that problem
[04:18] <Grorco> I can bring it back if I open a terminal and run sudo
[04:19] <Grorco> or if I click through to download something in the software center it will come back after entering my password and hitting enter
[04:20] <Grorco> Do you know what package the pointer is part of so I can submit a bug report?
[04:21] <Jordan_U> Grorco: Can you reproduce this with a different window manager?
[04:22] <Grorco> Jordan_U, doesn't make a difference I initially thought it was compiz so I switched back to macro same thing
[04:22] <Grorco> I'm using mate btw
[04:22] <Jordan_U> Grorco: Macro?
[04:23] <Grorco> Jordan_U, It's the default in Mate
[04:24] <Jordan_U> Grorco: Ahh, "marco".
[04:25] <mojtaba> Hi, I want to make a shortcut to run a script if it is not running, and kill it if it is running in the background. Do you know how should I do that?
[04:25] <Grorco> Jordan_U, I think you just confirmed my dyslexia lol I have read that wrong this whole time
[04:25] <mojtaba> I know I have to use if statements, but I am not sure how to handle it in bash
[04:25] <Jordan_U> Grorco: It doesn't make a lot of sense for running sudo to have any effect. gksudo I would understand.
[04:26] <Grorco> Jordan_U, I think it's more about hitting the enter key afterwords
[04:26] <Jordan_U> Grorco: Does just pressing Enter twice (without sudo/gksudo/policy kit) bring the cursor back?
[04:26] <jakesyl> so yeah what is it for
[04:26] <Grorco> Jordan_U, I'll try it be back in a sec
[04:28] <Jordan_U> jakesyl: Chexk your hard drive's S.M.A.R.T. status (via Gnome Disks or "smartctl" ).
[04:28] <Jordan_U> jakesyl: Do you have all importabt data on that drive backed up?
[04:29] <jakesyl> Jordan_U,  you think it's still a problem?
[04:29] <jakesyl> and yeah
[04:32] <Grorco> Jordan_U, And suddenly it wont do it... I had to create a new user because my daughter isn't here and I don't know her password, so not sure if its something with her account
[04:33] <Jordan_U> jakesyl: Well if your filesystem was corrupted due to failing hardware you probably want to knkw that. fsck does nothing to fix hardware.
[04:35] <jakesyl> oh well, my issue was fixed so hardware probably wasn't the issue, right?
[04:35] <Grorco> Jordan_U, Okay I can reproduce it now
[04:36] <Grorco> Jordan_U, it's when you switch users using the lock screen, can't use log out
[04:37] <Grorco> Jordan_U, and hitting enter 2 times doesn't do anything I tried running apt and nothing it came back with sudo though
[04:38] <bad_ip> hm
[04:39] <bad_ip> Grorco you said it does it in other window managers, correct?
[04:39] <Grorco> bad_ip, yes
[04:40] <Grorco> bad_ip, I can try switching to ubuntu instead of mate and see if that makes a difference
[04:40] <bad_ip> I think it's actually a bug with xserver
[04:40] <Rakko> I have a device (FlashAir) that works as a a WiFi AP, and my desktop has both wired and WiFi in it. I use the wired to connect to my actual router, and that's obviously what I want to use for the majority of my traffic, but when I have the computer connected to the wifi device, the wifi device seems to hijack connections I try to make outside of the LAN. I don't see any reason for this in my routes -- https://gist.github.com/echristo
[04:40] <Rakko> pherson/df3c22cd3c20ddfa588c49414f74ca93
[04:40] <Rakko> https://gist.github.com/echristopherson/df3c22cd3c20ddfa588c49414f74ca93
[04:41] <Rakko> Any ideas what's wrong with this picture?
[04:41] <Rakko> I only want the wireless interface to be used for the 192.168.0.x subnet.
[04:41] <bad_ip> Grorco Ctrl-Alt-F1 then Ctrl-Alt-F7
[04:41] <bad_ip> Try that
[04:41] <bad_ip> See if it comes back
[04:41] <m5w> okay, I tried booting with Legacy BIOS and enabled nomodeset. now Ubuntu too complains `BAR 6: no space for [mem size 0x00080000 pref] \n BAR 6: failed to assign [mem size 0x00080000 pref]' (The \n doesn't litterally appear; it's a newline.)
[04:42] <Grorco> bad_ip, that brings it back, but I think running anything from a terminal does
[04:43] <bad_ip> Yeah, that's an open bug in xserver
[04:43] <Grorco> bad_ip, I had tryed apt and it didn't work but if I actually use apt install blahblah it will comeback
[04:44] <bad_ip> Grorco https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1568604
[04:44] <Grorco> bad_ip,  did you find the bug on lp?
[04:44] <bad_ip> There's the bug
[04:44] <bad_ip> yeap
[04:45] <Grorco> bad_ip, Thanks have to add me to the list
[04:49] <deprdx> hols
[05:04] <Jordan_U> jakesyl: Just check the snart status to be sure. It's not hard to do.
[05:50] <OerHeks>  
[05:53] <fuze> does the package rygel-gst-launch allow the audio output to be streamed over dlna?
[06:02] <yvear> on Kubuntu 16.04 how do I make the desktop icons' background transparent?
[06:03] <baizon> yvear: ask on #kubuntu
[06:05] <yvear> baizon, ty
[06:06] <OerHeks> yvear, seems like you need to find a icon theme that is transperant already, like "diamond' ?? http://linuxlove.eu/howto-customize-kde-desktop-appearance/
[06:16] <calmpitbull> which anitvirus do i use
[06:17] <OerHeks> calmpitbull, one does not need antivirus, but there are opensource ones
[06:17] <OerHeks> !antivirus
[06:17] <calmpitbull> clamav
[06:18] <OerHeks> today a system-monitor is more usefull
[06:18] <OerHeks> naigos and such
[06:18] <plop_its_ellie> I even tell windows users that tey dont need anti virus
[06:19] <calmpitbull> hahahaha
[06:19] <calmpitbull> plop_its_ellie, why do u do that
[06:19] <baizon> lol, antivirus, thats a word i havent heard in a long time
[06:19] <calmpitbull> so today i got point for topic
[06:20] <plop_its_ellie> calmpitbull, seriously, just use common sense, dont install random crap, dont use uneeded browser plusings, keep your stuff updated, dont run as an admin... and you should be fine
[06:20] <calmpitbull> well
[06:20] <OerHeks> always backup, or your data is not important.
[06:20] <plop_its_ellie> most anti virus software are proprietary block boxes that have root on the system and also have vulnerabilites
[06:21] <plop_its_ellie> yea make good  data backups too
[06:21] <OerHeks> oh dear, what shall i do with this .exe
[06:21] <plop_its_ellie> OerHeks, run it as admin obviously :P
[06:22] <OerHeks> sudo ufw allow in "Wine"
[06:27] <fuze> plop_its_ellie: id say if you are following those guides the only reason you might want antivirus are files that you get from others. or say if a friend puts his infected usb in your machine. you open an email and download a virus
[06:38] <plop_its_ellie> fuze, good point, though for windows it has windows defender which does anti virus as well
[06:38] <plop_its_ellie> otherwise i would use an open source anti virus like clamav for that sort of stuff
[06:44] <FMan> you actually made me google 'naigos'
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[06:46] <YankDownUnder> Nachos. Hungry. :)
[06:47] <baizon> FMan: i think he meant nagios
[07:14] <marcelo_> what is even
[07:36] <xpkill22> weiss jemand wie seine version auslesen kann .
[07:36] <baizon> xpkill22: lsb_release -a
[07:36] <xpkill22> danke
[07:37] <xpkill22> und wie erkenne ich eine 32 bit oder 64 bit
[07:37] <baizon> xpkill22: uname -a
[07:39] <xpkill22> i686 ist das 64 bit
[07:39] <baizon> xpkill22: 32bit
[07:39] <ducasse> !de | xpkill22
[07:40] <baizon> xpkill22: x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 <- 64 bit
[07:41] <xpkill22> hier darf nicht deutsch reden
[07:41] <xpkill22> frechheit
[07:41] <baizon> xpkill22: english, yep :)
[07:41] <xpkill22> ich geh tuschuess danke trotzdem
[07:42] <baizon> xpkill22: see you
[07:42] <xpkill22> my englisch is very bad
[07:43] <baizon> xpkill22: then go #ubuntu-de
[07:43] <xpkill22> #ubuntu-de
[07:43] <baizon> xpkill22: typ this /join #ubuntu-de
[07:44] <dani> f
[07:44] <xpkill22> thank you very much
[07:45] <xpkill22> baizon
[07:56] <dgarnold> Hello, I installed lamp-server^ and phpmyadmin but when i enter localhost/phpmyadmin into my address bar my browser is unable to locate it. did I skip a step?
[07:59] <allstar> What shows up on localhost Dg?
[08:19] <Xenocyde> hi guys
[08:20] <EriC^^> hi
[08:20] <Xenocyde> i'm using mint 18 on virtual box in win 10
[08:20] <Xenocyde> need to rout all internet traffic from win to mint
[08:20] <Xenocyde> i tried the gateway route but seems it's not working
[08:20] <Xenocyde> however i have a router too
[08:21] <Xenocyde> what am i doing wrong?
[08:23] <Xenocyde> worth mentioning is first time I tried the default gateway it worked a bit then it failed
[08:25] <Xenocyde> any ideas?
[08:28] <ducasse> !mint | Xenocyde
[08:28] <Xenocyde> ah ok thanks
[08:43] <phablet> hi all, i.m on irc from ubuntu phone hehe
[08:44] <OerHeks> :-)
[08:45] <phablet> using xchat desktop app, the ui is a bjit small but it works
[08:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[08:50] <evil_dan2wik> I need to grow a potato
[08:50] <evil_dan2wik> Can ubuntu help me with that?
[08:54] <OerHeks> !find potato
[08:58] <NickCao>  Help!My Ubuntu 16.04 LTS unable to boot after I installed hibernate and invoked "sudo pm-hibernate". By the way it's on my laptop Thinkpad S420. How can I fix it.
[09:03] <Hanumaan> Str@ng3r
[09:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[09:04] <NickCao> Help!My Ubuntu 16.04 LTS unable to boot after I installed hibernate and invoked "sudo pm-hibernate". By the way it's on my laptop Thinkpad S420. How can I fix it.
[09:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> NickG365, I haven't used that program, but to suspend/hibernate a lap top as far as I know you shoudn't need a special program installed to do it
[09:06] <OerHeks> Is there a way to run Pokémon Go on linux?
[09:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> NickG365, also hibernate / suspend uses some swap space I think
[09:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> OerHeks, Wine maybe?
[09:07] <NickCao>  It uses the swap
[09:07] <Hanumaan> how is the upgrade process via command line from 14.04 to 16.04 is completely working or is it better to wait until 16.04.1?
[09:07] <MonkeyDust> !ltsupgrade | Hanumaan
[09:08] <NickCao> My swap is 4.2G and my mem is 3.8 G so it shouldn't be a problem
[09:11] <NickCao> How could I get into the grub menu as it is hides? Boot from the old entry may work.
[09:13] <ducasse> NickCao: hold left shift or press escape during boot
[09:13] <MonkeyDust> NickCao  press alt (or ctrl, i forget) during boot
[09:13] <MonkeyDust> meh
[09:14] <NickCao> WTF! shift esc alt Ctrl.Which one should I use?
[09:14] <ducasse> NickCao: left shift or escape. one of them will work.
[09:14] <NickCao> I'll try
[09:14] <quizzy85> use esc
[09:16] <NickCao> It worked. Thank you guys!
[09:16] <puuska> heh
[09:16] <NickCao> But how can I hibernate my laptop?
[09:16] <zergut> is there openjdk -8-jdk for 14.04?
[09:16] <puuska> nie kurwea
[09:16] <puuska> kurwa
[09:16] <puuska> japierdole
[09:17] <puuska> spierdalam
[09:17] <puuska> kurwy
[09:17] <ducasse> puuska: take that to ##test
[09:20] <zergut> because i get "Cant find the packet"
[09:21] <ducasse> zergut: i doubt that is in the repos for trusty, you would need to find a ppa.
[09:22] <MonkeyDust> zergut  start here ... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java#Oracle_Java_8
[09:22] <OerHeks> zergut, that is correct, no openjdk 8 in the standard repos https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-8  but this ppa got a up2date version, use at your own risc https://launchpad.net/~openjdk-r/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=trusty
[09:23] <Guest28745> Error mounting /dev/sda1 at /media/billy/B00486EA0486B340: Command-line `mount -t "ntfs" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=1000,gid=1000" "/dev/sda1" "/media/billy/B00486EA0486B340"' exited with non-zero exit status 14: Windows is hibernated, refused to mount. Failed to mount '/dev/sda1': 不允许的操作 The NTFS partition is in an unsafe state. Please resume and shutdown Windows fully (no hibernation or fast restarting), or mount
[09:23] <Guest28745>  the volume read-only with the 'ro' mount option.
[09:25] <ducasse> Guest28745: just read the error message, it tells you what to do.
[09:25] <OerHeks> Guest28745, "The NTFS partition is in an unsafe state" is the main error, ntfs is unmounted dirty, use windows to fix this first fit chkdsk
[09:45] <nenad> cao svima
[10:05] <zergut> ducasse: MonkeyDust, OerHeks thanks a lot!
[10:10] <blscoe> Hello
[10:11] <blscoe> Somebody can tell me what's the equivalent of robocopy with /E /IS switches?
[10:13] <yellabs-r2> for the internet of things lora , is ubunut also going to power this kind of platform ? what do you think about it ?
[10:13] <yellabs-r2> ubunut = ubuntu * type error
[10:15] <MonkeyDust> blscoe  wat is robocopy with /E /IS switches
[10:16] <blscoe> http://ss64.com/nt/robocopy.html MonkeyDust
[10:16] <MonkeyDust> blscoe  what does that script do
[10:17] <blscoe>   /E switch: Copy Subfolders, including Empty Subfolders
[10:17] <blscoe>                /IS : Include Same, overwrite files even if they are already the same.
[10:18] <blscoe> ropocopy stands for: robust file copy
[10:18] <MonkeyDust> blscoe  in a terminal, type   man cp
[10:18] <blscoe> in local
[10:18] <blscoe> I heard of rsync
[10:19] <ducasse> blscoe: both cp and rsync can do that.
[10:19] <MonkeyDust> blscoe  luckybackup is a gui for rsync
[10:19] <blscoe> I just need to execute a command like robocopy with /E /IS switch :)
[10:19] <blscoe> I don't need a gui :)
[10:19] <blscoe> but thanks anyway
[10:19] <MonkeyDust> blscoe  man rsync
[10:20] <ducasse> blscoe: read the rsync or cp man pages, all the info you will need
[10:23] <Sina-Maleki> Hello every one
[10:23] <Sina-Maleki> I need to know the canonical training courses program
[10:23] <Sina-Maleki> does anyone know that ?
[10:24] <MonkeyDust> Sina-Maleki  training in what, exactly?
[10:25] <Sina-Maleki> openstack training
[10:25] <Sina-Maleki> http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/openstack/training
[10:26] <MonkeyDust> Sina-Maleki  it says Read the course outline, click that
[10:27] <Sina-Maleki> I read it , but I need to know that when the courses start and on which country
[10:27] <Sina-Maleki> it seems that this details is not in the pdf
[10:28] <OerHeks> Sina-Maleki, contact them? http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/openstack/training/contact-us
[10:29] <Sina-Maleki> I did it past week but nothing happens . MAAS has perfect ability and I deploy it on the hp servers but for installing the openstack at last section it says that problem with loading bootstrap
[10:30] <Sina-Maleki> anyway i think i should contact them tommorow
[10:39] <Dat> how can I assing superkey+d to show desktop
[10:40] <MonkeyDust> Dat  in Unity it's already set by default
[10:45] <Dat> MonkeyDust: i'm using kubuntu none of the keys for showing the desktop is working
[10:46] <Dat> MonkeyDust: how can i manually assign it
[10:47] <ducasse> Dat: try #kubuntu, maybe
[10:47] <Dat> okay thx
[11:44] <akshay_> hi
[11:51] <we_are_one> I declared an array in bash like : declare -a ABC
[11:51] <we_are_one> But that works like variable any reason ?
[11:59] <ducasse> we_are_one: ask in #bash
[12:07] <erialdo> hello I am using Ubuntu mate 16.04 and mouse freezes. Any solutions?
[12:07] <Tachikomas> erialdo Fresh install ?
[12:08] <MonkeyDust> erialdo  usb mouse, or wired?
[12:08] <MonkeyDust> bluestooth*
[12:08] <erialdo> you the mouse pad in the laptop
[12:08] <erialdo> sorry I dont know the name now
[12:08] <erialdo> yes I just installed and updated and upgraded Ubuntu Mate
[12:09] <erialdo> cursor seems to freeze from time to time a few seconds. its becoming annoying
[12:12] <lzjqsdd> you mean your mouse some times disappear?
[12:12] <MonkeyDust> erialdo  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1576844
[12:12] <erialdo> no it just freezes
[12:13] <erialdo> for a few seconds
[12:13] <paranoidabhi> hi guys!
[12:14] <lzjqsdd> there are some problem on ubuntu,you can find the display settings,there may be a unknown display
[12:14] <paranoidabhi>  Please help with this http://askubuntu.com/questions/795169/kde-slow-boot-on-kubuntu-16-04. Stuck at it for long
[12:14] <erialdo> yes the touchpad :) couldn't find the name thanks @MonketDust
[12:14] <lzjqsdd> then disabled it
[12:14] <paranoidabhi> I asked here before also. :) Forgive me if encountered the same question before.
[12:16] <erialdo> Actually I am using the stable Ubuntu Mate 16.04. I see now that this happens to multiple users
[12:17] <erialdo> I hope they resolve it soon because I really like this distro
[12:20] <tatertots> well thank you
[12:21] <jstoone> I've just found out that for some reason I have to use `sudo mysql -u root -p` when wanting to connect to mysql, how come I have to be superuser?
[12:22] <tatertots> have you setup any 'other' users for database administration?...answer is probably no
[12:22] <tatertots> and "i don't know" is close enough for 'no' in that context
[12:23] <paranoidabhi> any ideas?
[12:23] <tatertots> that goes against best practices but it's your database so whatevs
[12:24] <jstoone> when looking at the process' i see it's just running from the default mysql user. but adding mysel to the group might help
[12:24] <msev-> why would sudo arp-scan  --retry 5 --quiet --localnet --interface=wlan0 | grep -s -i macaddressofmyphone work from my netbook while from my orangepi it doesn't work
[12:25] <jstoone> tatertots: ah you're talking about me logging in as root mysql user. yes it's just while setting it up
[12:25] <tatertots> what error do you get msev-?
[12:25] <MonkeyDust> msev-  pi is not supported here
[12:25] <kvmmm> hi guys. Anyone know how I can open an encrypted container created in Windows?
[12:25] <kvmmm> in Ubuntu?
[12:25] <msev-> tatertots, ioctl: No such device
[12:26] <msev-> maybe its the network interface name
[12:27] <MonkeyDust> kvmmm  docker or lxc?
[12:27] <kvmmm> I don't know what either of those are. I'm fresh from Windows and don't know anything
[12:28] <ducasse> kvmmm: encrypted container created by what?
[12:28] <msev-> yes it was that
[12:28] <msev-> i failed lol
[12:28] <kvmmm> it was created using VeraCrypt.
[12:28] <ducasse> kvmmm: then try veracrypt for linux?
[12:28] <MonkeyDust> find feracrypt
[12:28] <kvmmm> oh, ok. That makes sense
[12:28] <MonkeyDust> !find veracrypt
[12:28] <kvmmm> is feracrypt the linux version of veracrypt?
[12:29] <kvmmm> is there a recomended encryption app I should use in general?
[12:30] <paranoidabhi> any ideas folks?
[12:30] <Tachikomas> docker have several security issues. For security, use Vms.
[12:30] <MonkeyDust> kvmmm  http://www.linuxandubuntu.com/home/encrypt-data-in-linux-with-veracrypt-an-alternative-to-truecrypt
[12:30] <kvmmm> what is docker?
[12:30] <kvmmm> and what is vms?
[12:31] <ducasse> paranoidabhi: if we did, you would have had an answer. patience.
[12:31] <MonkeyDust> kvmmm  do you actually *know* what you are doing and why?
[12:31] <kvmmm> no, haha
[12:31] <kvmmm> but I'm trying to learn
[12:31] <Tachikomas> kvmmm why do you want to use encryption ?
[12:31] <MonkeyDust> kvmmm  come back here when you found out
[12:31] <kvmmm> well, I don't actually want to say what I'm using encryption for.
[12:32] <kvmmm> Sorry, I don't want to be rude
[12:32] <kvmmm> I do have a legit reason for it.
[12:32] <Tachikomas> kvmmm is it for a server ? A desktop ?
[12:32] <kvmmm> desktop
[12:32] <Ben64> kvmmm: all encryption does is make things harder for you, see https://xkcd.com/538/
[12:33] <Tachikomas> So. Try to encrypt the disk, and the home partition.
[12:33] <kvmmm> will I get a huge disk slowdown using full disk encryption?
[12:34] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:34] <kvmmm> because I also use my computer for music production
[12:34] <Ben64> kvmmm: it will be slower than not using encryption, it's harder to recover, harder to do everything
[12:34] <kvmmm> so I think an encrypted container is better than full disk
[12:35] <TZander> notice that audio production on even a relatively modern harddrive should realy not be an issue with encryption
[12:35] <TZander> you won't even notice
[12:35] <Tachikomas> kvmmm i dont have performance issue.
[12:35] <Tachikomas> and i work in TV production.
[12:35] <TZander> unless you start copying gigabytes, but audio is not that big
[12:36] <kvmmm> are you using samples / VSTi?
[12:36] <Ben64> so whats the actual reason you have for wanting encryption kvmmm
[12:36] <Tachikomas> TZander even with gigabytes.
[12:36] <kvmmm> I'm a composer and I use VSTi heavily.
[12:36] <TZander> kvmmm: the question is how big are your files.
[12:37] <Ben64> no, the real question is how powerful is the system
[12:37] <kvmmm> the music production files, or the encrypted files?
[12:37] <TZander> they are not the same?
[12:37] <kvmmm> about 800gb of samples for music. These don't need to be encrypted.
[12:38] <kvmmm> about 100gb of stuff that needs encrypting
[12:38] <kvmmm> I'm running an i7 Haswell with 32gb ram
[12:38] <Ben64> why does it need encrypting? are hackers trying to steal your hard drive?
[12:39] <TZander> kvmmm: I doubt you'll notice a slowdown at all for those 800GB using encryption.  The biggest annoyance is in usage, I'm sure
[12:39] <kvmmm> just trust me that I really need encryption
[12:40] <tatertots> hmm maybe he has taylor swifts new master recordings and he wants to protect them against possible theft LMAO
[12:40] <tatertots> i know...i know...i'm reaching right lol
[12:40] <kvmmm> I don't need write speed, only read speed. Continuous and random
[12:40] <TZander> kvmmm: which means that you need to give your password on boot.  Which means that as long as you are running, your encrypted files will be open and easy to take. Which also means that if you sleep your machine, it will not hide your encrypted files.
[12:41] <Ben64> also a wrench can get your files
[12:41] <kvmmm> so again a container is better, because I will only open it when it's needed, and close it when it's needed
[12:41] <TZander> So, if you really want only that 100GB, I suggest a separate partition for that. Which you only mount when you really need it.
[12:41] <TZander> yes
[12:41] <kvmmm> anyone here use Whonix?
[12:41] <Tachikomas> so, juste create a new encrypted partition, set a password, and mount it when it's needed.
[12:42] <TZander> and, to be clear, Ben64 has a good point.  Encryption is not protection. If people break in and want your files they can just use physical means to get you to say what your password is.
[12:42] <TZander> don't underestimate bad people.
[12:42] <Ben64> most encryption just makes you lose your files
[12:42] <kvmmm> but you can also have a hidden partition within the container
[12:43] <Ben64> people come in here all the time with forgotten passwords or damaged partitions and they lose everything
[12:43] <kvmmm> give the fake password, and they'll find something benign and maybe embarrasing enough to justify the encryption
[12:43] <tatertots> good point Ben64....suge knight style decryption lol
[12:43] <TZander> Ben64: not knowing how to use it is not a reason to stop protecting yourself.
[12:43] <Tachikomas> TZander +1
[12:43] <Ben64> what protection
[12:43] <Tachikomas> Proctect yourself against yourself.
[12:44] <Ben64> who is this boogeyman that is after everyone's hard drive
[12:45] <Ben64> it's like putting a The Club on your 1994 ford ranger, nobody cares
[12:45] <Tachikomas> Encryption is just a protect to ensure your device physically. They dont protect you from malware and other things. If you can't store a password, dont try to encrypt.
[12:45] <MonkeyDust> kvmmm  if you even cant get in yourself, you know it's secure
[12:45] <\9> yea the only total security is no access whatsoever
[12:46] <tatertots> encryption is required as per policy sometimes...not that it's for protection..but it's the policy
[12:46] <TZander> Ben64: if you don't understand why some people like to encrypt their data, thats fine.  You don't have to use it :) Just don't tell others they should not protect themselves. I guess you also don't like tor and ssl ;)
[12:47] <tatertots> want to BYOD bring your own device into the enterprise...a policy may require encryption
[12:47] <tatertots> gotta follow the rules if you wanna play ball sometimes
[12:47] <paranoidabhi> ducasse, ok :)/. Please let me know if I provide more information.
[12:47] <kvmmm> does ubuntu use a page-file btw?
[12:48] <paranoidabhi> Does dual-booting your system with windows slow down the boot of ubuntu?
[12:48] <\9> paranoidabhi: no
[12:48] <kvmmm> because wouldn't there be a chance of info from an encrypted container being spilled into the pagefile?
[12:48] <paranoidabhi> \9, ok thanks
[12:48] <tatertots> are you counting the seconds it takes to select which os you want to boot?..versus it just having a single OS and booting straight into it?
[12:49] <Ben64> TZander: encryption is mostly useless. so is tor.
[12:49] <\9> paranoidabhi: aside from the time spent in the grub menu, of course
[12:49] <tatertots> we can break out a stop watch and prove that
[12:49] <paranoidabhi> \9, yes ofcourse.
[12:50] <MonkeyDust> kvmmm  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVdg_1g5ukM
[12:50] <paranoidabhi> With fastboot and bash in windows 10. I am having second thoughts of ubuntu. I hope I can somehow fix the slow boot.
[12:51] <cecja> paranoidabhi: how long does your ubuntu installation take to boot to DE?
[12:52] <paranoidabhi> 60 secs to kde loading screen. 120 secs from there on to workable desktop.
[12:52] <paranoidabhi> cecja, ^
[12:52] <kvmmm> startrek guys are forgetting their £%^&%^& symbols in the password
[12:52] <cecja> paranoidabhi: that is a fuking long time... do you have an ssd?
[12:54] <jaimatadi> Yesterday ubuntu was detecting my monitor correctly and also the resolution was 1366x768 .. but today it is unable to detect my monitor and also the screen resolution is 1024x768 max...
[12:54] <jaimatadi> how to correct this problem
[12:54] <paranoidabhi> cecja, no it is hdd. But still it is very long.
[12:55] <jaimatadi> Yesterday ubuntu was detecting my monitor correctly and also the resolution was 1366x768 .. but today it is unable to detect my monitor and also the screen resolution is 1024x768 max... how to correct this problem?
[12:55] <tatertots> jaimatadi was the computer "updated"?
[12:55] <paranoidabhi> Raspberry pi with ubuntu mate takes 20 secs to boot!
[12:55] <jaimatadi> nope
[12:55] <Ben64> raspberry pi is ssd
[12:55] <jaimatadi> 3 days ago i fresd installed ubuntu
[12:55] <tatertots> will it allow you to set your resolution back to your desired res?
[12:56] <jaimatadi> and today monitor is not detected
[12:56] <paranoidabhi> Ben64, isn't the hardrive sd-card?
[12:56] <jaimatadi> nope tatertots
[12:56] <tatertots> no display/monitor at all is different than 'running at lower res' so which is it jaimatadi?
[12:56] <paranoidabhi> cecja, maybe it relates to this bug https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107421. I suspect this due to the long network manager time.
[12:56] <tatertots> do you have no display at all?...or just lower res display...
[12:56] <Ben64> paranoidabhi: yes, is an sd card not solid state ?
[12:56] <jaimatadi> display is coming
[12:57] <jaimatadi> low resolution
[12:57] <tatertots> okay..when i hear monitor not detected...that makes me think you have no display at all
[12:58] <kvmmm> anyone here use Whonix or Tails?
[12:58] <tatertots> which is not the case
[12:58] <tatertots> which gpu do you have jaimatadi?
[12:58] <jaimatadi> no no ... it is showing unknown display ... but yesterday ... it was detecting it correctly as a samsung
[12:58] <jaimatadi> i have intel
[12:58] <kvmmm> Tails isn't meant to be used in a VM, because the host machine might not be trusted. So does Whonix somehow *not* trust the host? Or does it have the same flaw?
[12:58] <tatertots> ah okay i get what you're trying to convey now
[12:59] <ducasse> kvmmm: we support neither here.
[12:59] <jaimatadi> how to go about this problem tatertots ?
[13:00] <kvmmm> people say not to use either with Windows, because Windows is insecure as a host, but what about Ubuntu?
[13:00] <kvmmm> Can I trust Ubuntu for that? Or do I need something else, like Arch or some hardened kernel?
[13:01] <ducasse> kvmmm: you should run them on bare metal, not in a vm, is what it means.
[13:01] <tatertots> kvmm windows is insecure?...hmm i wonder why they have all that desktop and enterprise market share?
[13:01] <money_master> "Secure" is a vague term.
[13:01] <tatertots> and just think all these companies using "exchange" and windows is insecure...wow
[13:01] <money_master> Secure from whom is a better question.
[13:02] <tatertots> lol
[13:02] <OerHeks> Can you trust "people" saying such things, kvmmm ?
[13:02] <jaimatadi>  tatertots any idea about my problem?
[13:02] <money_master> kvmmm I just arrived in the room...what are you asking about?
[13:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD>  /join #ubuntu-touch
[13:03] <kvmmm> baremetal is inconvinient. But I thought Whonix was meant to be run in a VM?
[13:03] <jaimatadi> Yesterday ubuntu was detecting my monitor correctly (Samsung) and also the resolution was 1366x768 .. but today it is unable to detect my monitor(unknown display) and also the screen resolution is 1024x768 max...
[13:03] <ducasse> kvmmm: we still don't support them. ask the guys who make whonix.
[13:03] <money_master> kvmmm are you asking about whonix? There is a whonix channel on OFTC.
[13:04] <kvmmm> ok, I'll ask
[13:04] <OerHeks> yes, they want virtualbox .. https://www.whonix.org/wiki/VirtualBox .. really
[13:04] <kvmmm> my question really though is whether Ubuntu is a safe host for virtualizing.
[13:04] <kvmmm> or whether there will be 'spill' like in Windows
[13:04] <money_master> irc.oftc.net/9999 #whonix channel
[13:05] <tatertots> spill?...wow all those enterprises using Hyper-V must have not done their homework
[13:06] <MonkeyDust> kvmmm  i think you're seeing ghosts, problems where there are none
[13:06] <tatertots> earth to kvmm....earth to kvmm
[13:07] <tatertots> Fortune 500 companies are using Hyper-V and they have pro IT...what's this spill you speak of dude
[13:09] <kvmmm> Fortune 500 are using Windows?
[13:09] <tatertots> uh yeah...where do you work?...seen the server room?...ask your IT
[13:10] <tatertots> even if you're a student...i bet your school uses exchange for email
[13:11] <tatertots> i'd almost be willing to bet my bottom dollar on it
[13:11] <SchrodingersScat> what are we even talking about, how is this topic
[13:14] <Narwhaal> can I install a wireless package for a specific computer on another computer ?
[13:14] <ikonia> Narwhaal: whats the real problem
[13:14] <Narwhaal> then make a custom disk containing that package and format the other computer ?
[13:14] <ikonia> as what you've said makes no sense
[13:15] <Narwhaal> ikonia: basically the computer I want to format has only wireless support
[13:15] <Narwhaal> no ethernet
[13:15] <adroit_machine> jaimatadi
[13:15] <Narwhaal> so what I want to do is install ubuntu
[13:15] <ikonia> Narwhaal: ok, what wireless card/chipset is in it
[13:15] <Narwhaal> but with wireless drivers
[13:15] <Narwhaal> I can't remember :(
[13:15] <Narwhaal> it's a tp-link something
[13:15] <Narwhaal> lemme google quick
[13:16] <Narwhaal> http://www.tplink.com/ie/products/details/?model=TL-WN723N
[13:16] <Narwhaal> that one
[13:16] <ikonia> ok - so what ubuntu packages do you need to make that work ?
[13:16] <Narwhaal> I can't remember that either xD
[13:16] <Narwhaal> it's written down at work
[13:16] <vshamr> just installed ubuntu 14.04 in vmware but the gui just wont launch ! , any one ple help
[13:16] <ikonia> ok - so this is all stuff you need to know before even discussing anything else
[13:16] <vshamr> please*
[13:17] <ikonia> vshamr: what do you mean won't launch
[13:17] <Narwhaal> I remember I googled it
[13:17] <Narwhaal> lemme see
[13:17] <OerHeks> Narwhaal, you could always use a second usb for those packages
[13:17] <vshamr> open teerminal into runlevel 2
[13:18] <Narwhaal> ikonia: linux-headers-generic build-essential
[13:18] <ikonia> vshamr: ubuntu runs at run level 2 by default
[13:18] <ikonia> Narwhaal: ok - so thats a lot of packages as build-essential is a meta package
[13:18] <vshamr> it opens terminal at run level 2 but wont go further to launch the GUI , not sure whats stopping it , i installed desktop version
[13:18] <Narwhaal> ywp
[13:18] <Narwhaal> yep
[13:18] <ikonia> vshamr: look at the xorg log
[13:19] <ikonia> Narwhaal: so you have 2 realistic options
[13:19] <vshamr> ok
[13:19] <Narwhaal> what are they
[13:19] <Narwhaal> tbh it was between Ubuntu and archlinux
[13:19] <Narwhaal> so
[13:19] <Narwhaal> since my coworkers are stupid bricks I'm using ubuntu
[13:19] <ikonia> Narwhaal: 1.) build the module on another machine and just carry that across over say a usb 2.)put all the packages on a usb move that across and built it locally
[13:20] <ikonia> Narwhaal: your co-workers are stupid bricks ??
[13:20] <Narwhaal> ikonia: ok thanks, I'll look into that
[13:20] <Narwhaal> ikonia: yep, they're retarded
[13:20] <ikonia> errr please don't call people that
[13:20] <ikonia> why ?
[13:20] <ikonia> I'm not seeing the problem
[13:20] <Narwhaal> cause they're not clever
[13:20] <Narwhaal> they're slow
[13:20] <Narwhaal> they mess up all my workl
[13:20] <Narwhaal> work *
[13:20] <tatertots> that's not nice
[13:20] <ikonia> and yet you're asking how to do things
[13:21] <ikonia> I suggest you leave it there and go about your work
[13:21] <Narwhaal> I don't use ubuntu so
[13:21] <Narwhaal> I'm a gentoo/arch type of guy
[13:21] <ikonia> Narwhaal: it's the same thing
[13:21] <Narwhaal> nope
[13:21] <Narwhaal> different PMs
[13:21] <ikonia> Narwhaal: you'd do the same on any distro
[13:21] <ikonia> Narwhaal: ha ha ha ha ha  - no
[13:21] <Narwhaal> yea
[13:21] <ikonia> Narwhaal: it's the same thing, you'd still have to move the module or build it
[13:21] <Narwhaal> idk how to work apt
[13:21] <Narwhaal> so
[13:21] <vshamr> xorg log not there in /var/log
[13:21] <Narwhaal> I know
[13:21] <ikonia> it's not hting to do with apt
[13:21] <Narwhaal> but I thought it would be easier
[13:21] <Narwhaal> considering this is ubuntu
[13:22] <Narwhaal> and everything's easier
[13:22] <ikonia> it's about 10 minutes work
[13:22] <ikonia> very easy
[13:22] <Narwhaal> I was expecting 2
[13:22] <ikonia> and exactly the same approach as the distro you'd use
[13:22] <Narwhaal> look, it's been sorted now, and I thanked you
[13:22] <Narwhaal> let's leave it there ?
[13:22] <ikonia> sounds like you don't really understand what you're doing
[13:22] <Narwhaal> I do
[13:22] <ikonia> doens't sound like it
[13:23] <ducasse> then you wouldn't need help for something so basic.
[13:23] <vshamr> ikonia: i checked the log file in /var/log , it doesnt appear there
[13:23] <Narwhaal> ducasse: I was just hoping apt would have external installer or something
[13:23] <ikonia> vshamr: what is the name of the log file you are looking for
[13:23] <Narwhaal> that I wouldn't have to build it myself
[13:23] <ikonia> Narwhaal: how could it have an external installer ?
[13:23] <ikonia> Narwhaal: you've just stated your machine has no network
[13:23] <Narwhaal> like apt --install-from package.tar.gz
[13:24] <ikonia> Narwhaal: make a deb - then just dpkg -i $your_deb
[13:24] <excelsiora> fish seems like a weird shell
[13:24] <vshamr> anything with xorg in it :p
[13:24] <ikonia> that way you can repeat it on many machines in seconds
[13:24] <Narwhaal> ikonia: as I said I have no idea how the hell ubuntu or debian work
[13:24] <Narwhaal> so
[13:24] <Narwhaal> that's why I came here
[13:24] <ikonia> Narwhaal: so really your actual question is "how do I package a kernal module for re-use on multiple ubuntu machines'
[13:24] <Narwhaal> I log this channel and strip out the nonsense and save the advice given for specific problems so I can learn faster
[13:25] <Narwhaal> ikonia: yes
[13:25] <ikonia> Narwhaal: ok - so maybe try asking the right question
[13:25] <ikonia> Narwhaal: bottom line - use an ubuntu box to build a deb - 30 minutes work,
[13:25] <Narwhaal> what's a deb ?
[13:25] <ikonia> then you can either include that deb in your install or just drop it in later via usb
[13:25] <Narwhaal> package repo ?
[13:25] <ikonia> Narwhaal: it's the package format
[13:26] <Narwhaal> I can't download it ?
[13:26] <Narwhaal> I mean
[13:26] <Narwhaal> multiple applications
[13:26] <ikonia> what ?
[13:26] <Narwhaal> idk how to say it
[13:26] <ikonia> can I talk to one of your co-workers please
[13:26] <Narwhaal> can I for instance have multiple .deb files in one ?
[13:26] <ikonia> it sounds like they may know more
[13:26] <ikonia> you don't need that
[13:26] <Narwhaal> ikonia: they can't use anything more than windows 98
[13:26] <Narwhaal> so
[13:26] <ikonia> you just want the kernel module for your wifi card
[13:26] <Narwhaal> yea
[13:27] <ikonia> so just build a deb that contains the kernel module, then install that on the other machines
[13:27] <Narwhaal> ok then
[13:27] <Narwhaal> thanks for advice
[13:27] <vshamr> in /var/log ; i did grep for xorg in the listing
[13:27] <Narwhaal> oh one more thing
[13:28] <ikonia> vshamr: just type "ls" and look
[13:28] <ikonia> it's not called xorg
[13:28] <Narwhaal> is it possible to include more than one package in a .deb file or do I have to have seperate files ?
[13:28] <Narwhaal> (if possible I want media players too)
[13:28] <ikonia> Narwhaal: you didn't know what a deb file was
[13:28] <ikonia> Narwhaal: so why are you now asking this
[13:28] <ducasse> Narwhaal: it wouldn't make sense to do so
[13:28] <ikonia> Narwhaal: you can put what you want in a deb file
[13:28] <vshamr> its  not ther ikonia :}
[13:29] <ikonia> Narwhaal: but it would be silly do bunlde everything in one
[13:29] <ikonia> vshamr: what's not there
[13:29] <Narwhaal> ikonia: cause I'm going to make one per your instructions ...
[13:29] <ikonia> Narwhaal: I told you to make one for the kernel module
[13:29] <ikonia> nothing more
[13:29] <Narwhaal> and I'm asking for more information ??
[13:29] <vshamr> xorg*.*log
[13:29] <ducasse> vshamr: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[13:29] <Narwhaal> god dammit you're the most frustrating person to talk to
[13:30] <ikonia> Narwhaal: you'll find how it works when you start building it
[13:30] <vshamr> nope not there
[13:30] <ikonia> Narwhaal: you can put what you want in it
[13:30] <vshamr> ducasse : not there
[13:30] <ikonia> Narwhaal: then X is not trying to start
[13:30] <ikonia> Narwhaal: sorry - not you
[13:30] <Narwhaal> ikonia: that's all I wanted to know
[13:30] <Narwhaal> thanks
[13:30] <vshamr> i guss i nee to check the package installation , whats the pkg name
[13:30] <ikonia> vshamr: then X is not trying to strart
[13:30] <ikonia> vshamr: what is the name of the media you used to install
[13:30] <excelsiora> who uses the fish shell?
[13:30] <ikonia> excelsiora: what's your question ?
[13:31] <vshamr> ubuntu-14.04.4-desktop-amd64 iso from ubuntu ikonia
[13:31] <excelsiora> Does anyone use fish?
[13:31] <ikonia> excelsiora: what is your question
[13:31] <ikonia> vshamr: so that should install and try to autostart the desktop for you
[13:31] <ikonia> vshamr: please pastebin the output of ls -la /var/log
[13:32] <paranoidabhi> qbittorrent question: is it possible to allow streaming while downloading?
[13:32] <ikonia> paranoidabhi: that seems illogical
[13:32] <excelsiora> My question is, who, on God's green Earth, uses the shell named fish?
[13:32] <paranoidabhi> ikonia, why?
[13:32] <ikonia> excelsiora: thats not a question for ubuntu
[13:33] <ikonia> paranoidabhi: unless you can download faster than you can watch, you'd run out, which if you can download that fast, why would you just not wait
[13:33] <MonkeyDust> !info fish
[13:34] <excelsiora> ok, so who uses it?
[13:34] <ikonia> excelsiora: please stop asking
[13:34] <ikonia> excelsiora: that is not a question for ubuntu
[13:34] <ikonia> excelsiora: if you have a question you need help with, then please ask that
[13:35] <paranoidabhi> ikonia, hmm... I don't understand that. When downloading huge files, it is desirable feature. utorrent has it. I can't find it in qbitorrent
[13:35] <ikonia> paranoidabhi: as the qbittorrent guys then
[13:37] <ducasse> excelsiora: do you actually have a question, or are you conducting a poll?
[13:37] <SchrodingersScat> paranoidabhi: there's some webrtc things that can do that.
[13:38] <paranoidabhi> I found this mentioned online "Right click on a torrent and enable download of first and last price first and enable sequential downloading". But I can't find it in qbittorrent anywhere.
[13:38] <paranoidabhi> SchrodingersScat, True, I was hoping to use it in qbittorrent itself.
[13:40] <ducasse> paranoidabhi: no, i've never seen that feature in qbittorrent. another client might have it.
[13:41] <excelsiora> It seems to me, from perusing the hyperpolyglot page on shells, you could probably write a shell script that works in both zsh and bash, but I doubt it would work in fish.
[13:41] <ikonia> it would depend
[13:41] <cecja> excelsiora: go find it out and give us feedback if it works... hf
[13:41] <ducasse> excelsiora: fish is intended as an interactive shell.
[13:43] <paranoidabhi> ducasse, it seems to be there https://qbforums.shiki.hu/index.php?topic=4069.0 But I can't find it
[13:43] <paranoidabhi> Right click doesn't show it to me.
[13:44] <active_inst> hi all, so my macbookpro anoyed me enough to pull its HDD out and swap it with a 500gb drive from an old PS4, I dloaded the ubuntu live cd and its been installing for about 3 hours
[13:44] <active_inst> that series of screens that advise all the cool things that come with ubuntu has been doing that for a while now
[13:44] <active_inst> but theres no progress indicator
[13:45] <active_inst> how do i know how far i am through this mission>
[13:45] <active_inst> ?
[13:45] <ikonia> mission ?
[13:45] <ducasse> paranoidabhi: ask them, then.
[13:45] <ikonia> active_inst: what are you actually trying to do
[13:45] <excelsiora> "Ubuntu makes /bin/sh a symlink to /bin/dash"
[13:45] <active_inst> ikonia - install ubuntu
[13:45] <ikonia> active_inst: what part of the install are you at ?
[13:46] <active_inst> ikonia, thats my question i quess
[13:46] <BorisA> .дшые
[13:46] <active_inst> guess
[13:46] <ducasse> excelsiora: true. again - do you have a question?
[13:46] <active_inst> ikonia, the part after it says "im going to delete all the crap that was on this drive:
[13:46] <ikonia> active_inst: it never says that
[13:46] <ikonia> how about telling us what it actually says
[13:46] <ikonia> and what part you're really art
[13:46] <ikonia> at
[13:47] <active_inst> ikonia, at the moment, it says "install (as uperuser)"
[13:48] <ikonia> active_inst: we won't be able to help you without details - and real details, not you making things up
[13:48] <ikonia> !install | active_inst
[13:48] <ikonia> !mac | active_inst
[13:48] <ikonia> active_inst: I suggest reading those links
[13:49] <active_inst> with a "welcome to ubuntu" screen that lets me cycle though more screens, like 'find more software' or 'take your music with you' etc
[13:49] <active_inst> ikonia, thanks
[13:51] <active_inst> @ikonia as i pulled the mac hdd out i cant really determine what version of macbook i used to have, but thanks anyway
[13:53] <vshamr> ikonia , i cant pastebin the logs as iam in vmware session to the ubuntu installation
[13:54] <ikonia> why not ?
[13:56] <vshamr> unable to select the session contents , its like the ilom console
[13:56] <ikonia> connect via the network
[13:57] <vshamr> it wont allow , network cox refused
[13:57] <vshamr> strangely
[13:57] <vshamr> :(
[13:57] <opollen> 'refused' suggests that networkings's up but ssh isn't.  is sshd running?
[13:57] <ikonia> what files do you see if you do 'ls -la /var/log | grep -i x'
[13:58] <sneaky> sneaky
[13:59] <sneaky> hello , i am new to irc . feeling good
[14:01] <vshamr> opollen, sshd is not running , so how can i satrt it , dont see the traditional .etc.init.d/sshd start up script
[14:01] <opollen> vshamr - and also not /etc/init.d/ssh ?
[14:01] <vshamr> ikonia, it shows nothing for x in /var/log
[14:02] <opollen> vshamr: openssh-server provides it
[14:02] <ikonia> vshamr: then your machine is not starting xorg
[14:02] <ikonia> vshamr: what was the exact command you ran
[14:02] <ikonia> to check for the log
[14:02] <vshamr> opollen , no , nothing there by ssh also
[14:03] <opollen> vshamr: then you'll need to install openssh-server first.
[14:03] <vshamr> ok
[14:04] <vshamr> ok , openssh-server installation started the daemon , crazy it doesnt get installed automatically
[14:04] <ikonia> not at all
[14:04] <ikonia> not everyone wants an ssh server on their desktop
[14:06] <vshamr> :D
[14:07] <vshamr> ikonia : v
[14:07] <vshamr> http://pastebin.com/fkD1V1v1
[14:07] <winston2k> hi
[14:07] <winston2k> test
[14:08] <ikonia> vshamr: so that suggests Xorg is not starting
[14:08] <ikonia> vshamr: is there anyting in lightdm directory
[14:09] <vshamr> that directory is empty ikonia
[14:09] <ikonia> so that suggests xorg is not even trying to start at all
[14:09] <goody> hi
[14:09] <vshamr> nice
[14:09] <ikonia> this doesn't sound like a standard ubuntu-14.04-deskstop install
[14:09] <ikonia> where did you get the media from ?
[14:09] <vshamr> ubuntu.com :)
[14:09] <vshamr> via alternative doenloads
[14:10] <ikonia> that seems very odd
[14:10] <vshamr> downloads*
[14:10] <ikonia> vshamr: please pastebin the output of "dpkg -l | grep -i unity"
[14:10] <vshamr> ok
[14:12] <vshamr> http://pastebin.com/xeRfPP85
[14:13] <ikonia> vshamr: so all the desktop stuff is there
[14:13] <ikonia> vshamr: have you messed with upstart at all ?
[14:13] <vshamr> its  basically complaining abt X11 dispplay issues , no ! i didnt fiddle with upstart
[14:13] <ikonia> vshamr: where is it complaining ?
[14:15] <vshamr> trying to do # unity-tweak-tool --reset-unity
[14:15] <vshamr> thats when it complains on the session
[14:15] <ikonia> why ?
[14:15] <ikonia> you're not running a gui
[14:15] <ikonia> that is a gui tool
[14:15] <ikonia> how do you expect that to work
[14:16] <vshamr>  hmmm be my shepherd
[14:16] <ikonia> it looks like you have a problem with xorg on the vmware virtual display card, and also that xorg is not even trying to start up at boot time
[14:17] <ikonia> those are the two things I'd suggest you look at working through
[14:17] <vshamr> feels a bit heavy dose
[14:18] <OerHeks> Does VMware reserves enough Videomem?
[14:18] <vshamr> how do i check that
[14:21] <tatertots> vmware will auto detect Ubuntu 14.04 and 16.04 and offer to "easy install" which sets up the recommended vhardware automagically unless the end users does something unnecessarily without good reason
[14:22] <tatertots> i just installed 14.04 in a vm on vmware and my gui loaded just fine
[14:22] <OerHeks> vshamr, long time ago, vmware .. i think you should start with VMware Tools > "With VMware Tools, VMware provides optimized drivers and services for supported guest operating systems"
[14:23] <tatertots> easy install even installs vmware tools automagically ..unless the end users unnecessarily modifies the 'easy install' settings without good reason
[14:24] <vshamr> i went to sleep as soon as i started the installation process of ubuntu , in vmware and woke up to look at the terminal login prompt, and as far as i remember , i did not do nything to easy install even in my dreams
[14:24] <tatertots> vshamr mentioned "alternate downloads" as his ubuntu media source....what's so alternative about what you're doing that you couldn't just grab the standard desktop iso?..
[14:25] <vshamr> BitTorrent , relaible downloading !!
[14:26] <OerHeks> oh oke, as long as you took the official torrents http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ you are fine
[14:26] <tatertots> and vmware detected the iso of ubuntu and performed a "easy install" correct?
[14:26] <vshamr> yes tatertots
[14:26] <tatertots> you might want to just confirm your media/ubuntu version, that it isn't server especially and reinstall already
[14:28] <tatertots> let vmware 'easy install' you have no reason to do anything otherwise.
[14:31] <tatertots> after you reinstall and have a working gui please for the love of all things holy power off the ubuntu vm and take a snapshot
[14:31] <vshamr> :) ok
[14:33] <cecja> tatertots: where is the fun in that?
[14:33] <opollen> the fun is in typing in a dangerous command right before the snapshot
[14:34] <tatertots> the fun is if the end user borks their system, copy pasting things they don't understand, we can just say 'use your snapshot' and call it a day
[14:35] <tatertots> they bork it a second time ...rinse and repeat
[14:35] <vshamr> by the way iama pro with solaris, rhel and i was installing ubuntu for Openstack and it just lost its case to centos !! :P
[14:36] <vshamr> though i will be back with ubuntu
[14:40] <dormooler> Hi. Doesanybody know if I could install Ubuntu on MEDION Akoya e1240t sold by Aldi Nord? I did not yet find useful information on the net...
[14:41] <ducasse> dormooler: what is that - arm or x86?
[14:43] <tatertots> it's x86 ...well it's cpu is 64 bit ...not arm7/10 based
[14:43] <tatertots> so in theory yes
[14:43] <opollen> (although the only ubuntu server I have is arm)
[14:43] <OerHeks> MEDION Akoya e1240t   Atom™ x5-Z8350 Processor 4-core
[14:44] <OerHeks> dormooler, try the live iso and see
[14:44] <dormooler> ducasse; Itis ARM...
[14:45] <tatertots> what was that dormooler   ?   http://ark.intel.com/products/93361/Intel-Atom-x5-Z8350-Processor-2M-Cache-up-to-1_92-GHz
[14:47] <tatertots> like OerKeks suggested 'try it and see'
[14:48] <tatertots> looks like a pretty machine don't void your warranty
[14:48] <tatertots> :)
[14:48] <dormooler> It seems I mixed arm and Atom??
[14:48] <OerHeks> really arm ? http://www.aldi.medion.com/md99860/nord/  14 nm atom is cool enough ..
[14:49] <dormooler> ...so I will give it a try with Live-USB ;-)
[14:49] <opollen> dormooler: if you thought that Atom was ARM, yes, you mixed it up.  it's just a low-power x86 CPU that competes with ARM
[14:50] <OerHeks> disable fastboot in windows, then try live iso on usb or sdcard
[14:50] <tatertots> the dead give away is it's running win10 home....since windows RT is the only arm cpu version of windows
[14:50] <dormooler> opollen: I see. Thanks for the explanation.
[14:55] <dormooler> tatertots: Yes, it's a very nice machine indeed. The problem is, that for me there is absolutely no use in having Windows installed. ;-)
[15:06] <thrasher88> I need help from someone who speaks bulgarian...
[15:06] <baizon> !bg | thrasher88
[15:06] <thrasher88> thanks;)
[15:10] <mathphrenia> what is the most convenient way to try ubuntu?
[15:11] <ducasse> mathphrenia: live usb
[15:11] <sdc> Install ubuntu to a flash drive and try live boot, not install
[15:11] <marahin> Hello. Is there _any_ nice way to setup an external full HD screen to act normal, assuming that I have UHD screen on my laptop? By "normal" I mean proper scaling: in order to use my laptop I had to set display scaling to 2, and now every external display also scales 2x, which is really bad
[15:13] <mathphrenia> how large of the capacity of the usb is needed?
[15:18] <ducasse> mathphrenia: 2G, the desktop image is only 1.4G
[15:18] <mathphrenia> ducasse, thank you :-)
[15:19] <ducasse> mathphrenia: np :)
[15:25] <codepython777> python3.3-dev -> is there a python3.5-dev?
[15:26] <torpet> is there a way to put a ubuntu installer on a laptop i want to sell?
[15:26] <ducasse> codepython777: there is on 16.04
[15:27] <torpet> so if the buyer starts, he should see the ubuntu installer
[15:28] <ikonia> torpet: either install it for them, or don't
[15:28] <ikonia> trying to boot the insaller from the disk you want to install to, is just creating a problem
[15:28] <OerHeks> that would be oem install
[15:28] <tatertots> K.I.S.S.....stick the liveCD in the drive and set the drive as the highest priority boot order
[15:28] <Bashing-om> torpet: Boot the install medium to the boot options screen and choose "OEM Install" .
[15:29] <tatertots> done
[15:29] <tatertots> K.I.S.S
[15:30] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu_OEM_Installer_Overview
[15:33] <AndChat|77184> Hi
[15:35] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[15:41] <Guest97962> Hola
[15:41] <we_are_one> lola
[15:42] <we_are_one> mola
[15:42] <Guest97962> Saludos al grupo.
[15:42] <ducasse> !es | Guest97962
[15:42] <AndChat|77184> Hmm
[15:43] <we_are_one> Guest97962, we all are one
[15:43] <Herzschlag> No we are not
[15:43] <torpet> Bashing-om: thanks
[15:44] <Herzschlag> We are different individuals
[15:44] <Bashing-om> torpet: :) Small Thing .
[15:45] <we_are_one> no intrinsically we all are one . Its just human who created a difference
[15:45] <Guest97962> Thanks
[15:46] <we_are_one> god is one
[15:46] <ducasse> we_are_one: god is also dead, haven't you heard?
[15:46] <opollen> we_are_one: we're good at creating conditions that go on to blatantly be the case.  better not to dwell on what's no longer the case.
[15:46] <DJones> we_are_one: Please see the channel topic, this Ubuntu support, please use  other channels for general chat
[15:46] <DJones> !ot
[15:46] <Herzschlag> Hmm
[15:47] <Herzschlag> We are one .. God is one, okay and ?
[15:48] <DJones> Herzschlag: Just ignore it, its off topic
[15:48] <we_are_one> and you should support Guest97962 on this channel
[15:48] <Herzschlag> Djones,  d'accord : )
[15:49] <poisonby> What are we talking about?
[15:49] <Herzschlag> About Ubuntu
[15:49] <Herzschlag> xD
[15:50] <siwyborsuk> hello guys
[15:50] <Herzschlag> Hello siw
[15:51] <siwyborsuk> wtf is jmj network? or this is virus?
[15:51] <opollen> siwyborsuk: where are you seeing it?
[15:51] <poisonby> Never heard of
[15:51] <ikonia> siwyborsuk: can you try to ask a clear question, in stead of some l33t speak nonsense
[15:51] <Herzschlag> L33t?
[15:52] <opollen> Herzschlag: he means "wtf", a term exclusively used be elite hackers.
[15:52] <siwyborsuk> ubuntu studio, there where is networks, but i can't delete
[15:52] <siwyborsuk> sorry
[15:52] <ikonia> there where is network ???
[15:52] <ikonia> what does that even mean
[15:52] <opollen> ikonia: something called "ubuntu studio" has a network interface.  the question relies on familiarity with that product.
[15:52] <ikonia> cobalt-red: I'm aware of ubuntu studiop
[15:52] <ikonia> oops
[15:53] <ikonia> opollen: I know what ubuntustudio is
[15:53] <Herzschlag> Op, interesting thank you, Does it mean that he is a hacker?
[15:53] <ikonia> the network is still configured from gnome-network-manager
[15:53] <ikonia> Herzschlag: no
[15:54] <opollen> siwyborsuk: I've no idea what you mean and ikonia, who is familiar with this program, also doesn't know.  if you can provide a screenshot of this network that you can't delete, that may help.
[15:54] <Herzschlag> Ikoni , not all elite developers are hackers?
[15:54] <cobalt-red> :P
[15:54] <ikonia> Herzschlag: a pointless discussion, not for this channel
[15:54] <ikonia> Herzschlag: please stick to ubuntu discussion in here
[15:55] <siwyborsuk> i'cant make screenhot
[15:56] <ikonia> siwyborsuk: you either need to make a screen shot, expain why you can't make a screen shot or be able to describe the problem clearly
[15:56] <ikonia> no point in disucsing it until one of those is resolved
[15:56] <Herzschlag> Siw, well you can take a screenshot then upload it on the Internet
[15:56] <Herzschlag> Then send its link here
[15:56] <siwyborsuk> look like interface, but is nothing up there
[15:57] <ikonia> siwyborsuk: that's just words
[15:57] <siwyborsuk> yes
[15:57] <opollen> those words are so non-descriptive that I now know less about your question
[15:57] <siwyborsuk> but I can click this
[15:57] <ducasse> siwyborsuk: maybe you could try a channel in your native language?
[15:57] <ikonia> siwyborsuk: you either need a screenshot - or the ability to describe it
[15:58] <siwyborsuk> i need charge laptop, give me some minutes
[16:03] <fuze> I am trying to set up pulseaudio-dlna but it does not detect my playstation 4. how can i get it working?
[16:03] <lickalott> morning all.  I have a thumb drive that apparently someone tried to run a live distro off of.  I threw it in Gparted to format and now it only shows 8gb of total space.  It's a 32gb drive.  I've dd'd it, i've reformatted through cli, i've rebuilt the partition table.....  Still only shows 8gb.   Any thoughts?
[16:06] <ioria> lickalott, can you paste  df -hT ?
[16:06] <lickalott> ioria, http://paste.ubuntu.com/18989564/
[16:06] <ioria> lickalott, i assumed mounted ...
[16:07] <lickalott> not anymore
[16:07] <lickalott> wait 1
[16:07] <ioria> lickalott, mount it, and rerun the command
[16:07] <lickalott> i had to relabel after the dd
[16:10] <cecja> lickalott: your partition table is fucked if you have nothing you need on the stick nuke it
[16:10] <lickalott> ioria, http://paste.ubuntu.com/18989841/
[16:10] <teward> !language | cecja
[16:10] <ioria> i've rebuilt the partition table
[16:10] <lickalott> cecja, I don't need anything on it.  I just want it back to normal.
[16:11] <lickalott> I've already ran dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=1M but even after that gparted only sees 7.32 gb available.
[16:11] <ioria> lickalott,  it does not automount ?
[16:11] <lickalott> no
[16:11] <ioria> lickalott,  why ?
[16:11] <lickalott> idk
[16:12] <ioria> lickalott,  have you used gparted ?
[16:12] <akik> lickalott: "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb" should show more details about the storage device
[16:12] <lickalott> oh it does
[16:12] <lickalott> i guess I didn't wait long enough last time
[16:12] <cecja> lickalott: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1
[16:12] <ioria> lickalott,  have you used gparted ?
[16:12] <lickalott> yes, i've tried gparted a few times. and fdisk
[16:13] <transmission> hello
[16:13] <transmission> http://www.pcbsd.org/
[16:13] <ioria> lickalott,  i suggest you try again... delete partitions, recreate PT (msdos) and reformat
[16:13] <transmission> i want t o download that PC desktop file of 3.8GB with transmission?
[16:13] <transmission> how can i do that?
[16:13] <cecja> lickalott: after that show us the output of "parted /dev/sdb print"
[16:14] <transmission> it doesnt say, that it is a torrent,but i selected transmission,but stil it goes for direct download?
[16:14] <lickalott> before - http://paste.ubuntu.com/18990129/
[16:14] <transmission> since it is 4GB file it WILL EVENTUALLY be interrupted, and i will be unable to download it?
[16:14] <transmission> lickalott: ?
[16:14] <ioria> lickalott,  and try ntfs not vfat
[16:15] <transmission> anyone knows? i cant use transmission , why?
[16:15] <cecja> transmission: there is a magnet link on the download site mom
[16:15] <ducasse> transmission: you need to download torrent files with transmission
[16:15] <ioria> lickalott,  it's sdb or sdc ?
[16:15] <cecja> cecja: http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent?_ga=1.262932364.1881899960.1468167326
[16:15] <cecja> transmission: http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/ubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent?_ga=1.262932364.1881899960.1468167326
[16:15] <cecja> sry
[16:17] <lickalott> After - http://paste.ubuntu.com/18990425/
[16:17] <transmission> http://www.pcbsd.org/ PC-BSD not ubuntu. since i am on ubuntu, and cant use transmission? cecja
[16:17] <cecja> transmission: sorry i thought you wanted to download the ubuntu iso ... here is the link for the bsd deviat you linked http://download.pcbsd.org/iso/10.3-RELEASE/edge/amd64/pcbsd10.3-release.torrent
[16:18] <lickalott> ioria, cecja ^
[16:18] <opollen> lickalott: the unpleasant thing there is the sector count on the first line.  It's very close to the sector count of the one partition there.  therefore, changing partitions isn't going to do anything about /dev/sdc
[16:18] <lickalott> lost me there.....
[16:18] <opollen> lickalott: I've seen this crap before, but I've only cleaned it up with windows (because this happened precisely when I was trying to replace windows with linux)
[16:19] <cecja> lickalott: did you execute this command as root? dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=512 count=1
[16:19] <opollen> lickalott: first line of that paste.  15347712 sectors.  vs. partition: 15345664 sector.
[16:19] <lickalott> with the exception of the "count=1"
[16:19] <lickalott> ahh
[16:19] <opollen> the *device*, according to linux, is about 8GB
[16:19] <cecja> lickalott: do the count=1 it nukes the mbr and partition table
[16:19] <transmission> how did u do that? cecja ? where is the magnet link?
[16:19] <lickalott> dd takes a bit.  I'll run it now and get back to you guys later?
[16:20] <transmission> i would like that method for severeal other downloads,so please tell
[16:20] <cecja> transmission: on the download page at the bottom is one torrent link
[16:20] <cecja> transmission: what you need is a proper http download manager if you have problems with downloads getting interrupted
[16:20] <cecja> lickalott: ofc
[16:20] <vicky007> hello guys
[16:21] <vicky007> hows you ?
[16:21] <transmission> oh on the downloads page, i was searching on the main page. sorry
[16:21] <lickalott> oh....wow...  it completed within 2 secs.
[16:21] <lickalott> doesn't seem right.....
[16:21] <transmission> lickalott: idiot
[16:21] <transmission> that is the torrent file, u have to click that and then it will BEGIN
[16:22] <vicky007> what is going on in here ???
[16:22] <lickalott> i'm not talking to or at you transmission
[16:22]  * lickalott isn't the guy that can't figure out how to download things.....
[16:22] <cecja> lickalott: can you paste the fdisk?
[16:23] <ducasse> transmission: don't call people idiots
[16:23] <transmission> cecja: i get so many downlaod managers, which do u use?
[16:23] <transmission> also, will it continue fromm there? or will begin from scratch.
[16:23] <transmission> your advice is great
[16:23] <lickalott> cecja, pm?  pastebinit doesn't work within fdisk
[16:25] <Wulf> In launchpad, how do I set a bug as "problem in upstream" and link the upstream bug report?
[16:26] <transmission> cecja: have u personally used any download managers?
[16:26] <transmission> which is ur fav?
[16:27] <Wulf> never mind, found it
[16:27] <akik> Wulf: where was it?
[16:28] <Wulf> akik: "also affects other project"
[16:29] <Wulf> akik: anyway, feature doesn't work because LP doesn't like SourceForge
[16:30] <ffee> Which is better Ubuntu live cd or DVD?
[16:31] <ffee> What is the difference?
[16:31] <transmission> hello
[16:31] <ikonia> there is no live cd
[16:31] <Wulf> ffee: the difference between cd and dvd?
[16:31] <ikonia> it needs a DVD
[16:31] <ffee> Yeah
[16:31] <transmission> why do u use ubuntu? what do u think of arch? i use arch as well as my main distro aslong side ubuntu
[16:32] <ikonia> transmission: use what you want
[16:32] <transmission> i am mailny an arch user.
[16:32] <Wulf> transmission: I don't know arch and I don't care.
[16:32] <ikonia> it's up to you what you use,
[16:32] <transmission> what do u feel of arch?
[16:32] <ikonia> not for this channel
[16:32] <ffee> Which should i download?
[16:32] <transmission> do u feel they are advanced users?
[16:32] <ikonia> ask the arch people what they think of arch
[16:32] <Wulf> transmission: I don't know arch and I don't care.
[16:32] <ikonia> transmission: no - this is not for this channel
[16:32] <transmission> cuz i feel ubuntu users are backwards and fear linux command line
[16:32] <ikonia> ffee: there is NO live cd
[16:32] <ikonia> ffee: it's a DVD only
[16:32] <k1l> !ot | transmission
[16:33] <Wulf> transmission: I know that you use arch and I don't like you.
[16:33] <ikonia> Wulf: there is no need for that
[16:33] <ikonia> please let it go
[16:33] <transmission> how do u know me?
[16:34] <transmission> i think ubuntu guys are noobs
[16:34] <ikonia> transmission: enough now
[16:34] <ikonia> please stop it
[16:34] <Wulf> ikonia: You must feed the trolls, they will get fatter and fatter and eventually they'll burst.
[16:34] <opollen> "Wulf doesn't like you.  I don't like you either."
[16:35] <ikonia> opollen: ENOUGH]
[16:36] <opollen> sure, it may take me a while to work moderation into the joke.
[16:37] <OerHeks> As Deutche Bank is worth as much as Snapchat today, is there a linux client available ? of snapchat?
[16:37] <ikonia> Orion3k: mobile platforms only I believe
[16:37] <ikonia> ops
[16:37] <ikonia> OerHeks: ^
[16:38] <HenryStark> clear
[16:38] <OerHeks> Thank you ikonia, no pokomon go, no snapchat :-(
[16:38] <HenryStark> clear
[16:40] <ffee> ikonia: i found it here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD
[16:40] <sat-buddhi> hi...
[16:40] <ffee> Tx for ur support.
[16:40] <ikonia> ffee: yes, thats a web page
[16:40] <sat-buddhi> I've had a problem with installing 16.04 LTS; screen goes black and I can't see the interface
[16:42] <Awest21> Can someone help me, I just burned an image of Ubuntu 16.04LTS amd64 to install on a computer it said the disc burned and verified correctly but when installing it on the desktop it loaded to a desktop screen then froze. I tried searching ubuntu's downloads for alternative copies of 16.04 but they only offer one image that I can find. I know there use to be other versions available like a lower resource installer
[16:42] <SchrodingersScat> !mini | Awest21 there's always the mini.iso
[16:42] <sat-buddhi> i couldn't install  version 16.04 LTS
[16:43] <ioria> Awest21, your specs ?
[16:43] <juanfran> Awest21, when it is frozen?
[16:43] <juanfran> on init desktop?
[16:44] <Awest21> I dont know the specs of the desktop offhand ioria but I know it can handle Ubuntu it has run it in the past I'm just doing a clean install /update. And thank you SchrodingersScat I couldnt find that on their site myself. I'll reburn and try the full ISO one more time then try the minimal if it fails again
[16:45] <Awest21> Yes juanfran it loaded the deskop background and top menu bar then the screen glitched and freezes
[16:45] <kvmmm> anyone every use an ubuntu phone?
[16:45] <juanfran> maybe is the graphics card..
[16:45] <kulelu88> how do I rollback an apt-get install dist-upgrade?
[16:45] <MonkeyDust> !phone | kvmmm
[16:45] <kvmmm> thanks
[16:46] <mcphail> kulelu88: you don't. Apt isn't designed for rollbacks
[16:46] <filifunk> When I turn on my computer I always have to take out my wireless usb wifi device and plug it back in in order to get onto the wifi...is there a way to not have to do this?
[16:46] <juanfran> i had a nvidia card and always ubuntu was frozen..
[16:50] <MonkeyDust> juanfran  yes, nvidia does not like linux
[16:53] <ikonia> nvidia is fine with linux
[16:55] <juanfran> with private drivers, sure
[16:55] <juanfran> privative*
[16:55] <ikonia> it depends on the card and your expectations
[16:55] <opollen> as windows *only* has private drivers, does this make worse than linux for nvidia?
[16:55] <ikonia> the noveu modules are good for a lot of situations, others require the nvidia provided blobs
[17:00] <MrSassyPants> so I have this weird issue with cpufreq where it always sets the minimum frequency to the maximum frequency at boot
[17:00] <MrSassyPants> as I actually wanted to have ondemand powersaving, I had a line added to rc.local
[17:01] <MrSassyPants> but now it is either as if the line wasn't executed at all, or something after the line reset the value back to normal
[17:01] <thunders-truck> So you can't fix vpn data leaks with duct tape...
[17:02] <MonkeyDust> MrSassyPants  there's indicator-cpfreq, an interactive applet
[17:02] <MrSassyPants> MonkeyDust, I just installed that but then realized that since I'm running kde it probably won't be of much use to me
[17:03] <JamesB> I just upgraded to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and now am stuck wiht it saying "error: unknown command 'knetbsd'. Failed to boot default entries.' Is there any way I can get into an editor or anything from here or is my VPS basically screwed?
[17:04] <MrSassyPants> JamesB, why not 16.04
[17:04] <JamesB> Because I was on 12.04
[17:05] <thunders-truck> what's your fav vpn?
[17:05] <OerHeks> JamesB, usually VPS-vendors tweak the images heavily, ask them for an upgrade
[17:05] <ikonia> thunders-truck: it doesn't matter what other people like, it depends what you like and what's specific to your needs
[17:06] <JamesB> There is no VPS vendor. I'm running stock KVM.
[17:07] <tgm4883> JamesB: if you're just trying to get to an editor have you tried booting in recovery mode?
[17:07] <thunders-truck> thnx ikonia - guess I have to research what I want to keep private.
[17:08] <JamesB> How would I go about doing that?
[17:08] <JamesB> All it has is "Press any key to continue"
[17:08] <tgm4883> JamesB: when grub pops up, you go to advanced and select recovery mode
[17:08] <tgm4883> !recovery
[17:08] <thunders-truck> JamesB did you check Ubuntu forums?
[17:08] <OerHeks> Jamyou could try to boot into grub, and choose recovery, and perform sudo dpkg --configure -a
[17:09] <thunders-truck> sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-dist upgrade?
[17:11] <JamesB> GRUB doesn't pop up in any meaningful amount of time I can get access to
[17:12] <tgm4883> JamesB: from that recovery page "Quickly press and hold the Shift key, which will bring up the GNU GRUB menu. (If you see the Ubuntu logo, you've missed the point where you can enter the GRUB menu.)"
[17:12] <tgm4883> JamesB: right after "Wait until the BIOS has finished loading, or has almost finished. (During this time you will probably see a logo of your computer manufacturer.)"
[17:13] <JamesB> It instantly goes to "error: too many titles for menuentry:" syntax Error Incorrect command etc. and then this error
[17:13] <JamesB> There is no menu
[17:13] <OerHeks> Unfortunately, the GRUB menu disappears after a couple of seconds, which often doesn't leave time to connect using virt-viewer. There is a small trick here: shutdown the VM, run virt-viewer with the argument --wait
[17:13] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM/FAQ#How_to_boot_a_VM_into_single_mode.3F
[17:13] <tgm4883> JamesB: plan B, pop in a live disk and edit the files from there
[17:20] <kulelu88> how do I undo an apt-get install dist-upgrade?
[17:20] <tgm4883> kulelu88: why do you want to do that?
[17:21] <OerHeks> kulelu88, not. but you had that answer already
[17:21] <kulelu88> I got disconnected earlier sorry
[17:21] <kulelu88> tgm4883: I did a dist-upgrade on 14.04 and it upgraded the kernel to an unsupported 14.10 kernel. I want to roll it back to all 14.04 stuff
[17:22] <tgm4883> kulelu88: I believe that technically the 14.04 kernel is unsupported now as well
[17:23] <kulelu88> Also, is this just a wiki-suggestion or does it exist: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemRestore ?
[17:23] <kulelu88> tgm4883: I assumed that all packages on 14.04 were LTS, unless LTS means that only security-updates are applied to it
[17:24] <BlueProtoman> I'm using Ubuntu 16.04.  If I upgrade to Qt 5.7, am I liable to break anything?  (I used to use Kubuntu, and upgrading my Qt version ended in disaster.)
[17:24] <opollen> tgm4883: http://www.ubuntu.com/info/release-end-of-life suggests 14.04 will get updates for another three years
[17:25] <kulelu88> blue0ctober: anything that depends on a fixed-version of QT *will likely* break
[17:25] <kulelu88> BlueProtoman:
[17:25] <BlueProtoman> kulelu88: How can I tell what programs installed depend on a fixed version of Qt?
[17:25] <kulelu88> ^^
[17:25] <tgm4883> opollen: yea was just looking at that
[17:25] <kulelu88> there's a reverse dependency-check command. can you find out what QT packages you are using currently?
[17:26] <opollen> although. I'm not sure how to read that kernel table.
[17:26] <Exagone313> BlueProtoman: Don't update things without using your package manager. You will break things. If you want to use custom libraries, it would be easier to recompile or use another distro. Some things can be self compiled and replace existing ones without damage, like mesa, but it's not good
[17:26] <tgm4883> kulelu88: so you don't want a full roll back, only the kernel?
[17:26] <tgm4883> opollen: that's the part I was looking at
[17:26] <tgm4883> which is the relevant part
[17:26] <BlueProtoman> Exagone313: I am using my package manager, I'm considering using this PPA https://launchpad.net/~beineri/+archive/ubuntu/opt-qt57-xenial
[17:26] <Exagone313> It's not safe either
[17:26] <kulelu88> tgm4883: Ideally if there is a way to just get the server to be 14.04 "default" again, that would be fine. Not much installed on the server, it's for testing purposes
[17:27] <BlueProtoman> kulelu88: I'm on Qt 5.5.1
[17:27] <tgm4883> kulelu88: well the only way to do that would be to reinstall
[17:27] <tgm4883> kulelu88: however you can either downgrade the kernel, or update to a newer HWE
[17:27] <kulelu88> BlueProtoman: the reason why PPAs are risky is because the PPA maintainers are not testing the way the regular maintainers test
[17:28] <Exagone313> also, they can push you unsafe packages
[17:28] <kulelu88> mirrors could do the same thing Exagone313
[17:28] <BlueProtoman> Exagone313, kulelu88: But the PPA I'm referring to installs everything in /opt, right?  So it shouldn't clobber my existing installation (which is NOT from a PPA, I believe)?
[17:28] <Exagone313> no, because it's signed
[17:28] <tgm4883> kulelu88: no they can't
[17:29] <Exagone313> I wonder if it's possible to add a ppa but limiting the packages it can give
[17:29] <kulelu88> signing the package is just saying it's from ubuntu Exagone313 . there are ways to MiTM that
[17:29] <BlueProtoman> I don't need to remove my existing Qt installation, I just need to be able to use the newest version.
[17:29] <tgm4883> Exagone313: the correct way to do that would be to copy the packages to your PPA
[17:29] <kulelu88> BlueProtoman: if you want to isolate a newer QT version, then install LXC
[17:29] <kulelu88> !lxc
[17:29] <Exagone313> kulelu88: the only way is stealing the private key from ubuntu, or quantic computer
[17:30] <Exagone313> tgm4883: ok I see, thanks
[17:31] <BlueProtoman> kulelu88: I don't need to *isolate* it, I just need to ensure that installing a newer Qt doesn't break anything I have now.
[17:31] <BlueProtoman> And I can do that by installing Qt 5.7 *alongside* my existing Qt 5.5, right?
[17:32] <kulelu88> BlueProtoman: it is highly likely that the PPA will upgrade your core packages and not keep them side-by-side.
[17:33] <BlueProtoman> kulelu88: They're separate packages, actually.  All the qt 5.7 packages are prefixed with "qt57".  And selecting them in Synaptic does NOT prompt me to uninstall existing packages
[17:34] <hammer25> Hey guys, i'm having issues installing the text editor atom. I was having no issues using it in a VM, but now it is behaving strangly. I can't set it as the default text editor
[17:35] <tgm4883> BlueProtoman: what I would do (and this comes with the texas warranty that if it breaks you get to keep both pieces) is add the PPA and do an 'apt-get update && apt-get -s install <package>' and A) verify it's not trying to upgrade any packages
[17:35] <kulelu88> then you should be okay BlueProtoman . Although I would take a snapshot of the system before doing upgrades like those
[17:37] <BlueProtoman> tgm4883, kulelu88: Yeah, nothing was uninstalled.  OK, I'll install 5.7 now.
[17:37] <BlueProtoman> Thanks!
[17:37] <kulelu88> man, I'm getting the jitters just thinking about someone else attempting to install a system-dependency upgrade like QT
[17:38] <BlueProtoman> I'll even reboot if it'll help un-jitter you.
[17:38] <tgm4883> kulelu88: then you should look at the packaging and see what it does
[17:39] <BlueProtoman> tgm4883, kulelu88: Here's my pastebin of apt-get -s install http://paste.ubuntu.com/18997613/
[17:39] <hammer25> nevermind... I guess my download was jacked up, redownloading and trying again fixed the issue
[17:39] <kulelu88> good luck BlueProtoman . hopefully your system doesn't bork
[17:39] <tgm4883> BlueProtoman: looks good to me
[17:39] <BlueProtoman> Also, most GNOME applications use GTK, not Qt, right?
[17:40] <BlueProtoman> And I'm not touching GTK (nor do I have any interest in developing GTK apps)
[17:40] <Dat> Is there an app that can compare a source directory and secondary source directory and copy the differences to a target directory?
[17:40] <Dat> Or does this need to be coded?
[17:40] <tgm4883> Dat: rsync
[17:40] <BlueProtoman> Dat: You can probably just string together a few of the built-in Unix commands, though I'm not sure how to do that off-hand
[17:41] <tgm4883> 'rsync -av <srcdir> <dstdir>'
[17:41] <BlueProtoman> Or, that, I guess
[17:41] <Dat> tgm4883: hrmm that will mess up things for me
[17:41] <tgm4883> Dat: how?
[17:41] <filifunk> If I get ubuntu on a phone, can I then get what is on my ubuntu computer onto my phone, that is can I run my python scripts and have what is on mysql on my phone?
[17:42] <Dat> tgm4883: that command would be syncing to the dstdir instead of a target dir
[17:42] <Dat> i need to compare two directories and copy the differences into another folder
[17:42] <tgm4883> ah
[17:43] <sl4ck> hi guys
[17:43] <Dat> hi
[17:44] <sl4ck> i want to ask why its possible my os is booting so slow. Its true as the hard drive on my laptop already got a lot of formats. Maybe because I need to defrag my HD?
[17:44] <Dat> sl4ck: you have ssd drive?
[17:44] <tgm4883> sl4ck: what version of ubuntu
[17:46] <MonkeyDust> sl4ck  what's the output of   cat /etc/issue
[17:46] <tgm4883> Dat: I'm not seeing options in rsync to do this, you might have to write something
[17:47] <MonkeyDust> Dat  there's the 'diff' command, and also 'rdfind'
[17:47] <tgm4883> !info rdfind
[17:51] <Dat> MonkeyDust: thx will look into it
[17:53] <Sheepolution> Hello
[17:55] <Sheepolution> I'm getting the error libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast and I see various answers online on how to solve it, not sure which ones are safe, so I thought I'd pop in here and ask if you guys know how to solve it?
[17:56] <Bundestrojaner> good evening
[17:56] <mapring> I had installed i3 once before, but decided to remove it and I manually removed its .desktop in the /usr/share/xsessions folder. I reinstall i3 once again, but this time, the installation did not create the .desktop file for me.
[17:56] <kulelu88> what is a "rolling release" ?
[17:57] <perception> hello
[17:57] <BlueProtoman> tgm4883, kulelu88: Mission accomplished.  No breakage.  <3  Now I have a bus to catch, thanks for the help!
[17:57] <kulelu88> :1
[17:57] <kulelu88> +1
[17:57] <Bundestrojaner> kulelu88: a release without version upgrades, only updates. for example debian testing, gentoo, arch,...
[17:57] <k1l> kulelu88: a distribution that doesnt have released versions (like ubuntu 16.04 etc) but updates its packages everytime ongoing.
[17:58] <ducasse> mapring: make sure to purge (not remove) i3 , then reinstall it
[17:59] <kulelu88> Bundestrojaner, k1l , so it is something similar to if I was running ubuntu 14.04 but everything was being updated on it, including kernel, etc. instead of say upgrading 14.04 to 15.10 ?
[17:59] <mapring> ducasse: I tried to purge it and reinstall, but there is still no .desktop file. Installing and reinstalling other windows managers did not recreate this problem.
[17:59] <Bundestrojaner> kulelu88: yes
[17:59] <kulelu88> why would a rolling release be better than an LTS release?
[18:00] <nolsen> Does anyone know where can I find libwxgtk2.8-dev?
[18:00] <nolsen> It's not in the repos.
[18:00] <ducasse> kulelu88: depends on what you want, lts gives you stability
[18:00] <k1l> kulelu88: yes. but ubuntu uses a stable release model.
[18:00] <perception> i have a question
[18:00] <nolsen> (for 16.04)
[18:00] <perception> yup for 16.04
[18:01] <perception> what should i do to change the gnome appearence to be like opensuse gnome or debian
[18:01] <perception> i saw few vids on youtube with this appearence
[18:01] <Bundestrojaner> kulelu88: because you never have to do an upgrade - works good if you do at least weekly updates.
[18:01] <Bundestrojaner> rolling release system tend to stop working if you don't upgrade a few weeks or months
[18:02] <MonkeyDust> perception  that's not for this channel, try -offtopic
[18:02] <perception> ok
[18:02] <k1l> nolsen: 16.04 uses 3.0 and not 2.8. so seems like your software referencing that version is a tad old?
[18:02] <Bundestrojaner> is it possible to encrypt /home with a password different than user password?
[18:02] <kulelu88> which 1 is better for servers? rolling release or stable release?
[18:02] <perception> yup it is bunderstrojaner
[18:02] <k1l> kulelu88: since you ask in #ubuntu: its ubuntu lts
[18:03] <nolsen> k1l: I'm using an outdated version of Audacity because they changed something around.
[18:03] <nolsen> and I like the old version.
[18:04] <Bundestrojaner> perception: how does mounting work? i guess the desktop environment doesn't start without /home and it would be annoying to log into shell, mount /home and start the desktop manually
[18:04] <perception> you encrypt it when you install ubuntu
[18:05] <perception> and it's asking for another password
[18:05] <perception> there's another way to encrypt it but i m not taking the chances
[18:05] <perception> just installed ubuntu yesterday after a long time
[18:06] <nolsen> k1l: configure: error: Unable to locate a suitable configuration of wxWidgets v2.8.x or higher.
[18:06] <nolsen> Audacity 2.0 doesn't like 3.x
[18:06] <Bundestrojaner> perception: encrypting is not my problem, there are good explanations in the wiki about that. But when do i mount it during booting?
[18:07] <perception> bunder before os completly boots
[18:07] <perception> it asks for a pass for the encrypted folder
[18:07] <ubnutu12345> hi
[18:07] <perception> and the you enter the pass of your username
[18:07] <Bundestrojaner> perception: do i have to configure that? Or is it enough to set an encrypted partition to be used as /home?
[18:08] <ubnutu12345> Can someone tell me why mydevice=sda; ls "/dev/${mydevice}"?  won't work? http://paste.opensuse.org/29068187
[18:08] <ubnutu12345> when I do ls /dev/sda? globbing seems to work but in the first case
[18:08] <ubnutu12345> it does not
[18:09] <perception> i saw it as an option bunder when i formated the drive before in manual mode
[18:09] <nolsen> k1l: I guess I can install wine and install audacity onto it.
[18:09] <perception> it's not the top security just encrypts your files when it's shut down
[18:09] <perception> when it's mounted from the system
[18:10] <tatertots> ubuntu are you trying to write a script? yes/no?
[18:10] <perception> if somone has access to your system he can access home folder
[18:10] <perception> someone
[18:11] <ubnutu12345> tatertots: yes
[18:11] <perception> ubuntu in python?
[18:11] <tatertots> there's a channel for scripting, i don't know it off the top of my head but i'm sure one of the regulars will post it,
[18:11] <ubnutu12345> nope just bash
[18:12] <perception> hope you succed ubuntu
[18:13] <tatertots> they try to stick to ubuntu technical support here......break/fix....your script is some what out of scope for this place
[18:13] <tatertots> good luck though
[18:13] <ubnutu12345> ok thx
[18:13] <tatertots> let us know if you have problems when your actual hard drive though
[18:13] <perception> script executes once and if you break something you restart and it's ok
[18:13] <perception> unless you set it to run on boot
[18:14] <tatertots> no worries.
[18:14] <perception> do you know if someone gonna add root password support extra on ubuntu?
[18:15] <k1l> perception: the setup of ubuntu is not to use the root account.
[18:15] <perception> k1l i see
[18:16] <tatertots> under normal circumstances perception you have no reasons to do such a thing
[18:16] <perception> tatertots i used opensuse and cent os
[18:16] <perception> yes there's a good reason
[18:18] <k1l> perception: other distros have other setups. but as ubuntu proofs you can do very good without
[18:19] <perception> i see...well i got to go see you around
[18:21] <volkswagner> Greetings, I have fresh install of 16.04 server. I know it's not recommended but I'm trying to run active directory and file server on same machine. I'm running into problem with acls not inherited on newly created files
[18:23] <volkswagner> here is getfacl info on directory and newly created files. I seem to need some help with the mask and effective permissions http://pastebin.com/2tTXeC5D
[18:23] <tatertots> volkswagner.....more detail please...how did you discover this problem? answering that question in detail will give us a good start
[18:23] <volkswagner> What controls mask and effective permissions
[18:24] <tatertots> what user/group created the files
[18:25] <volkswagner> group = huntusers:*:3000045 , user= huntuser:*:3000026  sorry for similar name :)
[18:26] <tahder> hello all, I'm configuring the firewall, ufw and ive already enabled it and i am pretty much following the instructions here - https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/serverguide/firewall.html.. anyway im just curious what uncomment means and how to do that
[18:26] <Wulf> tahder: # comment
[18:26] <Wulf> tahder: comment <-- uncommented
[18:26] <tahder> wiht "<--"
[18:26] <volkswagner> symptom is when user "A" creates a file, user "B" can't edit it even thought the belong to same group which should have write access, but I think mask is getting in the way
[18:27] <Wulf> tahder: no.
[18:27] <tahder> oh i see. thank you
[18:27] <Wulf> tahder: uncomment is the process of removing "#" from the beginning of the line.
[18:27] <tahder> that makes sense
[18:28] <Tin_man> tahder, that will put that line as active when removing the #.
[18:29] <volkswagner> tatertots: I'm not sure how/why mask is changing my desired permissions. here is smb.conf it that helps http://pastebin.com/b5PjRSxy
[18:29] <tahder> because its written in python right
[18:29] <Tin_man> think its just a script
[18:30] <Tin_man> the default values normally will work fine when activated
[18:31] <tahder> im sure it will .. i just want to learn by tinkering
[18:31] <tahder> or breaking ... which is what normally happens
[18:32] <Tin_man> :) go for it..
[18:32] <tahder> :D
[18:32] <Tin_man> i'm not on my ubuntu right now, and can't follow along..
[18:32] <tahder> wait.. it doesn't save .. read only .. im in admin account w.t.f.
[18:33] <tahder> in properties it says im not the owner
[18:34] <tahder> ..but i am.
[18:34] <Tin_man> you can go to terminal, and type sudo nano (name of file)
[18:34] <Tin_man> nano is a text editor
[18:34] <tahder> and uncomment from there?
[18:35] <Tin_man> yes then CTRL S to save, CTRL X to exit i think.. like i said not in ubuntu right now been awhile..
[18:35] <bekks> Tin_man: before messing things up with sudo even more - whats the output of "ls -lha" especially for the user and group?
[18:36] <bekks> tahder: that comment was for you.
[18:36] <Tin_man> right follow his advise..
[18:36] <tahder> ok one sec
[18:38] <tahder> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19003247/
[18:38] <bekks> tahder: And where is your script you are trying to change?
[18:38] <tasman> anyone know how to create /dev/sdb1 partition in gparted
[18:39] <ikonia> just create a partition on the device /dev/sdb
[18:39] <tasman> i dont see the type to create
[18:39] <Tin_man> looks like your still in your home directory
[18:39] <tahder> ./etc/ufw/sysctl.conf
[18:39] <ikonia> tahder: the type to create ?
[18:39] <ikonia> :Q!
[18:39] <bekks> tahder: then why are you pasting a different directory? :)
[18:40] <tahder> not for you ikonia
[18:40] <bekks> tahder: Pastebin: ls -lha /etc/ufw/sysctl.conf
[18:40] <tahder> oh hold on
[18:43] <bekks> tahder: you still there?
[18:46] <tahder> yes, im having basic dificulties.. its too embarrassing to ask you so ill just look it up
[18:48] <Tin_man> :)
[18:50] <Tin_man> tahder, if you do get around to using "nano" disregard my CTRL S to save, it's CTRL  O to writeOut in nano
[18:51] <tahder> okay thank you :)
[18:51] <Tin_man> it has a little menu at the bottom of the screen to go by..
[18:52] <bekks> tahder: Difficulties in creating a pastebin?
[18:52] <TheNH813> How do I get the infrared port on a DVB adaptor working?
[18:52] <Tin_man> take your time, someone will be here, i'm heading out to pick up wife, catch you later..
[18:53] <tahder> no bekks
[18:53] <bekks> TheNH813: By using the correct firmware.
[18:53] <tahder> but i did firgure it out i think
[18:53] <tahder> hold on let me catch up now
[18:53] <TheNH813> bekks: What do you mean by correct firmware?
[18:53] <TheNH813> I can recieve broadcasts with it, so the firmware is definitely loaded.
[18:54] <bekks> TheNH813: I am talking about a firmware for your DVB hardware, supporting the infrared port.
[18:54] <tahder> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19004782/
[18:55] <Shogoot> fShogoot
[18:56] <bekks> tahder: As can be clearly seen, that script does not belong to your user, but to root.
[18:56] <bekks> tahder: What are you trying to change in there?
[18:56] <TheNH813> I don't seem to get any results for RTL2832 firmware.
[18:56] <TheNH813> I found some for other chips though.
[18:56] <TheNH813> Hm..... where might I begin to look for that?
[18:56] <tahder> im trying to uncomment on net/ipv4/ip_forward=1
[18:57] <bekks> TheNH813: So you arent using the correct driver/firmware then-
[18:57] <bekks> !dvb | TheNH813
[18:57] <tahder> how do you get into root? or really become root
[18:57] <MonkeyDust> tahder  not
[18:57] <bekks> tahder: You dont.
[18:57] <bekks> !sudo | tahder
[18:58] <tahder> so i CANT change it
[18:58] <bekks> tahder: Please read what ubottu just told you.
[18:58]  * tahder reading 
[19:01] <TheNH813> bekks: Well, I ended up on the same page as before when I searched. There's no firmware for my model. https://www.linuxtv.org/downloads/firmware/
[19:01] <TheNH813> If you want the device Id here it is:
[19:01] <TheNH813> Bus 002 Device 007: ID 0bda:2838 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL2838 DVB-T
[19:02] <TheNH813> Or am I missing something?
[19:02] <ducasse> TheNH813: maybe the ir module isn't supported, you could try if lirc can see it.
[19:03] <bekks> TheNH813: Apparently thats you hardware.
[19:09] <abc> j
[19:09] <pykno-paron> great summer song !   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysb3TZ-YrKU&feature=youtu.be
[19:12] <ffee> !linstaller
[19:18] <returnthis> I am on 16.04. I opened my laptop after it had been asleep, and a modal dialog box popped up, with random letters all over the screen. everything looked like it went through some kind of cypher.
[19:18] <returnthis> I restarted and now everything is large.  xrandr reports correct resolution
[19:19] <returnthis> firefox UI is large and it starts at 300% magnification on most websites. fonts are large on all programs
[19:20] <returnthis> its like a virus went through and quadrupled the size of everything
[19:20] <returnthis> I am at a loss as to what to look for
[19:20] <returnthis> or even where to start
[19:20] <ducasse> returnthis: 'xdpyinfo | grep resolution'
[19:22] <returnthis> what pkg is that in?
[19:22] <returnthis> ah ic
[19:22] <returnthis> x11-utils
[19:23] <returnthis> I have x11-utils installed, but no xpdyinfo
[19:23] <ducasse> returnthis: are you typing it correctly? xdpy, not xpdy.
[19:23] <returnthis> u
[19:24] <returnthis> *sigh*
[19:24] <returnthis> thnx
[19:24] <returnthis> resolution:    96x96 dots per inch
[19:24] <woodrag> is mkfs.nfs deleted from ubuntu 16.04 ?
[19:25] <bekks> woodrag: There never was a mkfs.nfs
[19:25] <akik> woodrag: mkfs.ntfs ?
[19:26] <tahder> Okay, i'm in nano in terminal and its says im viewing the file im in but i can't see it anything and commands are working in there is it bcus it has root permissions?
[19:26] <woodrag> mkfs -t nfs says there is no mkfs.nfs
[19:27] <woodrag> how should i create a nfs type volume?
[19:27] <ducasse> returnthis: that should be normal, maybe the gtk scaling has been changed or does this also happen to non-gtk apps?
[19:27] <akik> woodrag: you create the file system on the nfs server
[19:27] <returnthis> ducasse: emacs, xterm, xmobar, firefox
[19:28] <returnthis> hrmmm... wonder if it maybe cause I don't log into default gnome
[19:28] <tahder> oh wait a minute.. don't answer that i need to change something
[19:29]  * returnthis tries to do that... afk
[19:33] <streulma> hello I want to debootstrap ubuntu but it says: /sbin/ldconfig.real: 1: /sbin/ldconfig.real: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
[19:33] <returnthis> ducasse: fyi, it looks like somenthing hinky with xmonad. default ubuntu looks fine
[19:34] <ducasse> returnthis: i would guess it is some sort of scaling issue, but i don't know xmonad, sorry. i only use i3 :)
[19:35] <returnthis> the odd thing is that it worked fine until that weird dialog
[19:36] <ducasse> returnthis: that confused me to :) can xmonad create a log file?
[19:38] <returnthis> no idea. I am an xmonad newb
[19:39] <returnthis> ducasse: but why is firefox insisting on starting websites at 133% zoomed
[19:43] <ducasse> returnthis: i have _no_ idea. guessing there is a preference for it in about:config so you can switch it back, though.
[19:43] <tahder> okay, i see now. I'm trying to save now. cntrl o or zero?
[19:43] <tahder> oh no don't answer
[19:43] <SPF> hi, how can I setup my system so that wlan1 connects to my AP instead of wlan0 ?
[19:43] <MonkeyDust> returnthis  ducasse just checked, there's no such pref in FF
[19:43] <tahder> yay i got it
[19:44] <ioria> returnthis,  about:config ->  type 'site' in search  -> browser.zoom.siteSpecific   should be set as 'true'
[19:44] <returnthis> googling around going to websites I have never visited, I get random zoom sizes
[19:44] <returnthis> bbs.archlinux.org is 200%
[19:45] <returnthis> ioria: it is set as true
[19:45] <ioria> returnthis, oh
[19:46] <returnthis> I suspect there is something systemic and all this is just a symptom
[19:46] <returnthis> I am tempted to just reinstalled
[19:46] <ioria> returnthis, view->zoom->reset or clear the cache
[19:50] <returnthis> I found a Scale slider in Display settings
[19:50] <returnthis> it is set to 1
[19:50] <returnthis> I tried to set it to 0.5 and I get:  GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files
[19:50] <returnthis> which probably has something to do with me running xmonad and not gnome
[19:57] <msev-> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sudoers if I put arp-scan here will it mean I won't have to type sudo before it and input the password after executing the command?
[19:59] <returnthis> u
[20:03] <Execthts> Hey, I encountered a strange bug, I get a kernel panic regarding an unable to mount an unknown filesystem (that would be btrfs), unless I boot into Windows first then reboot, any ideas?
[20:06] <uskerine> hi how can I make this: sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 happening on server startup?#
[20:09] <uskerine> nobody?
[20:09] <uskerine> :(
[20:10] <akik> uskerine: put that configuration into /etc/sysctl.conf and it'll be automatic
[20:11] <uskerine> thanks
[20:11] <uskerine> what about iptables rules?
[20:13] <akik> !iptables-persistent
[20:13] <akik> !info iptables-persistent
[20:13] <akik> i guess that should work
[20:26] <alesaico> hi
[20:42] <dale____> 'where is the setting to enable arrows on scrolling? default 16:04 LTS has no arrows
[20:43] <MonkeyDust> dale____  you mean the scrollbar overlay?
[20:44] <dale____> maybe?
[20:44] <dale____> I would like the top and bottom arrows on the scroll bar
[20:47] <dale____> I mean the arrows at the top and bottom that move the scroll bar, not there on install, never liked the original unity scroller
[20:47] <OerHeks> unity-tweak > scrolling > overlay to legacy
[20:48] <OerHeks> !info unity-tweak-tool
[20:51] <cwolford> ok, after much fiddling with my Pixma MP560 printer/scanner, i was able to get it to print over wifi. however, simple scan fails to connect to the device whether it's USB or wifi. this is what i found by following google directions: http://paste.ubuntu.com/19014747/ anyone have any ideas of what else i need to do or what i need to check/fix?
[20:52] <dale____> I installed unity-tweak-tool, what scrolling setting affects the arrows or something other than just the bar?
[20:53] <MonkeyDust> dale____  System > Scrolling
[20:54] <dale____> yeah, found system -> scrolling did some hacking but no arrows or positioner
[20:55] <annon110101>  i did sudo apt-get autoremove in ubuntu 15.10 and than wifi not working
[20:56] <annon110101> *then
[20:56] <MonkeyDust> dale____  install dconf-editor, open it and go to com > canonical > desktop > interface
[20:57] <MonkeyDust> annon110101  before you continue: 15.10 will soon be dead, consider using 14.04 or 16.04
[20:59] <Guest19562> good evening
[21:00] <cwolford> good afternoon
[21:00] <dale____> installed dconf-editor went to com -> canonical -> desktop -> interface it just has one setting, the default and a button to set the default
[21:00] <FuzzyBall> Hello
[21:00]  * YankDownUnder checks...oh...it's morning...
[21:01] <FuzzyBall> Don't know if this is a good place to ask but i have a few questions about hexchat and irc
[21:02] <MonkeyDust> dale____  then idk
[21:03] <Guest19562> i'm thinking about installing with a home-partition, encrypted with ecryptfs. But how can i keep home when i install the OS next time? will the installer ask for a password?
[21:03] <dale____> what's idk?
[21:04] <Guest19562> dale____: i don't know
[21:04] <MonkeyDust> dale____  idk = 'i don't know'
[21:05] <dale____> thank's MonkeyDust, and all ... off to search
[21:08] <Kirito> Does anyone here actually use Polari? It looks nice at first glance, but the client itself seems to incredibly dumbed down it's almost entirely unusable
[21:08] <Kirito> Where do you configure NickServ authentication? SASL? SSL? Autojoin? ..Anything?
[21:09] <MonkeyDust> !find polari
[21:09] <Guest19562> is it possible to encrypt home with ecryptfs, using an extra password?
[21:09] <Kirito> It can't even return connection errors properly
[21:09] <MonkeyDust> !info polari
[21:09] <Apachez> looks like 16.04 is somewhat unstable... now the blackscreen and only mouse pointer is visible is gone... but the input box to actually put in password to unlock the lockscreen is gone but the rest of the gui elements are there... wtf!?
[21:10] <Guest19562> i wanted to use luks, but there's a bug in the installer causing it to crash
[21:10] <annon110101> !find arch
[21:10] <Kirito> It's Ubuntu's "recommended" IRC client, and it looks aesthetically nice, but functionality wise it seems to be mind bogglingly dumb
[21:14] <MonkeyDust> sounds like a description of  sarah palin
[21:14] <dax> don't use Polari, it's terrible
[21:15] <dax> any "recommending" Ubuntu does is likely an artifact of Ubuntu using GNOME software and Polari being a part of GNOME
[21:16] <Phanes> anybody seeing a drive detection issue in ubuntu server?
[21:17] <Phanes> got a poweredge 2850 with hardware raid and its detecting the usb stick (ubuntu server) as /dev/sda but the system itself is detecting the usb stick as /dev/sdb so its causing formatting issues
[21:18] <Guest19562> is it possible to encrypt home with ecryptfs, using an extra (not user's) password?
[21:19] <MonkeyDust> !encrypt | Guest19562 start here
[21:21] <knobo1> I'm thinking about upgrading from 14.04 to 16.04 to get systemd startup scripts
[21:21] <knobo1> But I don't know if I should do it now or wait until 16.04.01
[21:22] <bipul> Hello, I have a question. I found /bin and /usr/bin , Are this two directories are same? i mean are they symlinked to /usr/bin ? could anyone explain me? same i found with /run and /var/run
[21:22] <knobo1> Are there any place I could read about other peoples experience with upgradeing?
[21:22] <knobo1> bipul: they are not symlinked
[21:22] <uskerine> so I have my iptable rule working and I would like my server applying it every time it is restarted
[21:22] <uskerine> is that possible?
[21:22] <bipul> knobo1, So what are they?
[21:22] <uskerine> or how is the easiest way to do it?
[21:23] <knobo1> bipul: /bin should include binaries required to boot and do important admin tasks.
[21:23] <bipul> bin is a subdirectory of /usr. And it also be a subdirectory of / also how?
[21:25] <bipul> Infect /usr/bin contain more binary files as compared to /bin
[21:25] <knobo1>  /bin and /usr/bin are different diretories
[21:25] <knobo1> bipul: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/5915/difference-between-bin-and-usr-bin
[21:25] <bipul> Ok. I thought they are same
[21:25] <bipul> Thank you.
[21:26] <MonkeyDust> bipul  type:   which cp; which firefox
[21:26] <tisha> how can i install skype on ubuntu 16.04
[21:26] <MonkeyDust> !skype
[21:26] <bipul> MonkeyDust, Ok
[21:27] <tisha> tnx
[21:27] <bipul> MonkeyDust, /bin/cp
[21:27] <bipul> ./bin/cp /usr/bin/firefox
[21:29] <bipul> Now i understood. Every binary executable files are characterize according to the user specification. Since mozila is being used by user and system.
[21:29] <bipul> not system*
[21:30] <Phanes> that is so weird
[21:30] <Phanes> it knows the usb is /dev/sda
[21:30] <Phanes> mounts /dev/sda1
[21:31] <Phanes> but also mounts part of the installer as /dev/sdb2
[21:31] <Phanes> usb is actually scsi2 as /dev/sda
[21:31] <Phanes> s/usb/raid
[21:31] <Phanes> and the usb installer itself is also /dev/sda
[21:32] <Phanes> but the raid is registering as /dev/sdb outside of the installer
[21:32] <Phanes> this installer is seriously confused
[21:32] <ikonia> Phanes: what are you talking about - you're not giving context
[21:32]  * [Serbian] Hello
[21:32] <Phanes> i put the latest ubuntu server lts on a usb stick
[21:32] <Phanes> to install on my poweredge
[21:33] <ikonia> ok
[21:33] <Phanes> and in the installer it sees usb installer disck as /dev/sda
[21:33] <Phanes> but my scsci raid 0 is /dev/sda
[21:33] <ikonia> Phanes: impossible
[21:33] <Phanes> and during partitioning and fs creration it sees it as /dev/sdb (raid0)
[21:33] <ikonia> Phanes: they will only map one device file to one disk
[21:33] <Phanes> i agree impossible
[21:33] <ikonia> Phanes: thats fine
[21:34] <ikonia> Phanes: the installer adujusts for the fact that /dev/sda is the installer, so suffles the disks down in the order
[21:34] <Phanes> no not fine, it is overwriting my usb installer disk
[21:34] <ikonia> Phanes: it's just how the live environment sees it
[21:34] <ikonia> Phanes: what's overwriting your usb installer ?
[21:34] <ikonia> it will write to whatever disk you tell it to
[21:34] <Phanes> the installer is detecting my usb install disk as my raid0
[21:34] <ikonia> Phanes: no it's not
[21:34] <Phanes> it is very confused
[21:34] <ikonia> Phanes: why do you think this
[21:34] <Phanes> ill go reproduce it
[21:36] <bipul> I would like to know what are process id files?  What is the uses of it? when i look around /run directory. I found only few files with .pid extension which contain single number inside it.
[21:37] <ikonia> they just contain the pid for the process
[21:37] <ikonia> nothing more
[21:37] <ikonia> helpful for the init process
[21:37] <bipul> ok.
[21:37] <ikonia> that file system is held in ram
[21:37] <bipul> ok :)
[21:38] <bipul> So every time when system reboot this .pid files changed it's data?
[21:38] <ikonia> it's held in ram, it's not a real file system
[21:38] <bipul> I mean  after rebooting every time /var directory recreates?
[21:38] <Phanes> ikonia, just booted up the usb stick, it picks locale and time zone, sets hostname, then bam, says 'detected mounts in use on /dev/sda' -- this is where it starts
[21:39] <ikonia> Phanes: it mounts the usb on /dev/sda ?
[21:39] <ikonia> bipul: it's not a real file system - it'sin ram,
[21:39] <Phanes> it appears to be according to mount
[21:39] <ikonia> bipul: thank about it
[21:39] <Phanes> and also /dev/sdb1
[21:39] <ikonia> Phanes: so why is that a problem
[21:39] <ikonia> Phanes: right, and I'll guess /dev/sdb1 is your raid
[21:39] <Phanes> because /dev/sda is actually my raid0
[21:40] <ikonia> Phanes: how do you know that ?
[21:40] <ikonia> Phanes: how are you determaining that /dev/sda is your raid and not the usb
[21:40] <bipul> What is lock files? And how it is useful?
[21:40] <ikonia> bipul: come on now
[21:41] <ikonia> bipul: please do some research we are not going to talk about every file on the file systems
[21:41] <ikonia> bipul: think about the name
[21:41] <bipul> ikonia, :) OK i will do googling.
[21:41] <Phanes> ikonia, if i say skip this part it goes to where i'd like to install my partitions and fs's, it gives a menu to select sda (scsi) or sdb (usb) and it shows the correct filesystems
[21:41] <bipul> Thank you every one and ikonia :)
[21:41] <Phanes> it correctly identifies the usb stick to be on sdb
[21:41] <ikonia> Phanes: how do you know sda is the raid and sdb is the usb
[21:41] <ikonia> how are you determaining this
[21:42] <Phanes> i just told you the installer tells you
[21:42] <ikonia> what do you mean, it tells you ?
[21:42] <Phanes> there is a literal prompt in the ubuntu installer to select the disk you want to partition
[21:42] <Phanes> where it lists this information
[21:42] <ikonia> it's really hard to see what you're saying without a screen shot
[21:42] <ikonia> Phanes: and what is the part you "skip"
[21:43] <Phanes> its not a vm man, this is a real machine
[21:43] <ikonia> I know this
[21:43] <ikonia> you've said its a dell power edge
[21:43] <ikonia> not sure what that has to do with anything
[21:44] <Phanes> ok, so the prompts say '/dev/sda is in use'.  i go to the next screen to put my filesystems on, and it gives me a choice between what is says is my raid0 or my usb.  usb is listed as /dev/sdb, raid0 is listed as /dev/sda.  the result of `mount` is that /dev/sda1 is mounted at /media, and cd'ing to media and getting a directory listing shows the contents of the usb stick
[21:44] <ikonia> Phanes: what prompt ??
[21:44] <ikonia> Phanes: you need to give specific details not "I skip this part"
[21:44] <Phanes> THE INSTALLER
[21:44] <ikonia> what part
[21:45] <ikonia> the installer is huge, there are many parts to it
[21:51] <Phanes> ikonia, when the installer is running the disk partitioner part
[21:51] <Phanes> after setting the time zone
[21:51] <Phanes> it goes to a section to partition the disks
[21:51] <Phanes> at this time it tells me /dev/sda has mounts that are in use
[21:52] <ikonia> Phanes: I'd suggest your first point of call is to open a terminal and run parted/fdisk to see what the running OS actually thinks
[21:53] <Phanes> if i go to a tty and type parted/fdisk it tells me command not found
[21:53] <ikonia> Phanes: what is the exact command you run
[21:53] <Phanes> however i can cd to /media where `mount` says its mounted, and i see the contents of the usb installer
[21:53] <Phanes> parted/fdisk
[21:53] <Phanes> also `fdisk`
[21:53] <ikonia> Phanes: thats not a failed command
[21:53] <ikonia> "sudo fdisk" or "sudo parted"
[21:54] <Phanes> you're in single user mode and require sudo?  yikes, ok, one second
[21:54] <ikonia> you're not in single user mode
[21:54] <ikonia> you're running the installer
[21:54] <ikonia> thats a full desktop enviornment multi user with networking
[21:55] <Phanes> there's no desktop environment, ubuntu server is a tui
[21:55] <Phanes> and sudo didn't give me an fdisk or a gparted/fdisk
[21:55] <ikonia> ok, the server cd, is still a curses based environment
[21:56] <ikonia> that seems odd - the actually partition tools is "parted" so it can't "not be there there"
[21:57] <Phanes> well its not and this is a direct dd if=public.iso of=/dev/usbdisk
[21:57] <ikonia> public.iso ?
[21:57] <Phanes> its the public ubuntu server iso
[21:58] <ikonia> thats not what the server iso is called
[21:58] <Phanes> oh ffs
[21:58] <ikonia> it should be ubuntu-16.04-server-amd64{i383].iso
[21:58] <ikonia> no need to swear
[21:58] <Phanes> "ubuntu-16,04-server-amd64.iso"
[21:58] <lol_wtf_ok_happy> Hello everyone. I know this is not an Ubuntu question, but android is still linux and I don't know where else to seek for help. I was at a coffee shop watching the euro and a gypsy kid approached me, put a large piece of paper on my table saying "I'm hungry!" and while I was giving him a euro, he took away my phone and when I noticed he had ran awa
[21:58] <lol_wtf_ok_happy> y. My phone is connected to my gmail that is connected to many accounts and also to my facebook and skype accounts. I feel at loss. What should I do? How do I disconnect my accounts? I think contacting the police won't help, Athens is too chaotic for them to track them down.
[21:58] <ikonia> I'm going to back away from this, as you keep giving incorrect info
[21:58] <ikonia> despite the fact that I've told you to be specific
[21:59] <ikonia> and you seem to be frustrated by my dependency on factual info
[21:59] <Phanes> i gave no incorrect info
[21:59] <ikonia> lol_wtf_ok_happy: sorry - we don't support that here
[21:59] <Phanes> this is looking like a bug
[21:59] <selfl0rd> Hello everyone! I'm new to linux and I am learning the basics. I do have a question though. I've bought a USB WiFi card and I can't seem to figure out how to download and install the drivers for it to be recognized. Anyone have any insight on this?
[22:00] <ikonia> selfl0rd: really depends on the card make and model and the chsipset on it
[22:00] <Phanes> good job making up a total lie to make me look bad for asking for help ikonia, that's a really jerky way to handle an 'i dont know'
[22:01] <ikonia> Phanes: I'm not "making up a lie"
[22:01] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: ikonia is an extremely helpful human being...
[22:01] <ikonia> Phanes: I've backed away as you seem to be getting frustrated with the requirement for detailed/factual info
[22:01] <debidi> selfl0rd: should have checked compatibility before purchase
[22:02] <debidi> might still work, just google the card name along with ubuntu support ..
[22:02] <Phanes> ikonia, you've been given no bad information you just dont know what youre doing and now youre making up a lie, i gave you no incorrect info, and you're talking to someone who's been familiar with these systems pre y2k and does this for a living, this looks like a udev issue and your server iso is really stripped down for troubleshooting
[22:02] <Phanes> if you dont know then you dont know
[22:03] <Phanes> but dont make it look like im giving you bad info just because you dont know
[22:03] <ikonia> Phanes: I asked you to verify the iso name as it was not correct, and you got moody about it, because you'd not given a valid name
[22:03] <ikonia> Phanes: you started typing in caps when I asked for the specific stage of the installer
[22:03] <Phanes> it is your current LTS public iso
[22:03] <Phanes> and you were given this
[22:03] <Phanes> and now you're lying about being provided bad or undetailed info
[22:03] <ikonia> Phanes: there is no such thing as lts public iso, hence why I askedyou to verfiy it
[22:03] <ikonia> I'n not telling lies, I suggest you just drop it and carry on with what you are doing
[22:04] <Phanes> the ? are you serious?
[22:04] <Phanes> filename?
[22:04] <ikonia> maybe others in the channel will want to work with you
[22:04] <Phanes> you think that's relevant?
[22:04] <Phanes> why are you here?
[22:04] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: Mate, what's exactly the issue that you're having?
[22:04] <Phanes> why are you giving people advice?
[22:04] <ikonia> Phanes: I didn't know, thats why I asked about the name,
[22:04] <Phanes> you should not be helping people, you should be taking classes
[22:04] <ikonia> I didn't know what "public.iso"
[22:05] <selfl0rd> hello all, I did check the compatability and it said it was compatable with linux
[22:05] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: There is obvious frustration going on - what exactly is the problem that you're having, mate?
[22:05] <selfl0rd> it's an AC600
[22:06] <YankDownUnder> selfl0rd: One thing to try is to open a terminal, and type: ubuntu-drivers list => that will show you what other drivers are required for your system.
[22:06] <selfl0rd> it's a "Glam Hobby 600Mbps AC600 Dual Band USB WiFi Dongle & Wireless Network Adapter"
[22:07] <selfl0rd> YankDownUnder thank you i'll try that now!
[22:07] <Phanes> anyway, YankDownUnder, poweredge server, raid0, usb install of the public server iso, during parititioning it tells me /dev/sda has mounts in use.  i go to not make changes to sda and install my filesystems, it lets me choose between sda, which is says is my raid0, or sdb, which is says is my usb stick.  mount says /dev/sda1 is mounted at /media, i go there and see it's the contents of my usb stick.  the installer appears to be confused about drive le
[22:07] <Phanes> ttering but i dont see the cause
[22:08] <Phanes> also if i unmount /dev/sda1 and then go to the partitioning section of the installer it will break my usb stick's filesystem and i have to reapply the iso
[22:08] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: Is it possible to restart the installation - from the ground up? (From the absolute beginning)
[22:08] <Phanes> yeah ive done it like 30 times to reproduce this
[22:08] <spade34597> can anyone help ?
[22:08] <selfl0rd> YankDownUnder I ran that command it only returned with "amd64-microcode"
[22:09] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: Here's something to ask, before actually performing the installation have you created/changed any of the partitions or the partition scheme of the target system?
[22:09] <Phanes> YankDownUnder, we can't even get to OS installation because it fries the layout on both disks
[22:09] <spade34597> test, can anyone see what i type ?
[22:10] <Phanes> also there is no fdisk on this install media
[22:10] <YankDownUnder> selfl0rd: Ok...easy enough...you can then type: sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall => follow the directions, probably reboot...when you've done that, in the "Software Centre" you'll see an option for 3d party drivers...click on that...it SHOULD show the required drivers for the "stick" (obviously make sure you have the stick plugged in)
[22:11] <Phanes> is there a big difference between the desktop iso and the server iso?  if not i could just put the desktop version on and use that
[22:11] <selfl0rd> YankDownUnder thank you sir! I'll try this now :)
[22:11] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: Right...fair enough...that is a bit more complex an issue...have you checked in #ubuntu-server for any assistance?
[22:11] <spade34597> this is useless
[22:11] <Phanes> oh, there's a separate channel for -server lol good to know
[22:11] <Phanes> spade34597, i see ya
[22:11] <YankDownUnder> spade34597: You're seen.
[22:12] <spade34597> oh lol ... finally :D
[22:12] <squinty> spade34597,  just ask your question, if someone knows they will respond
[22:12] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: You've chosen the server edition...was the target machine already being used as a server - i.e., did you have a previous version installed - or similar?
[22:12] <spade34597> im trying to create a multibooting USB key, can anyone help me with a guide or software?
[22:13] <spade34597> thx squinty
[22:13] <Phanes> YankDownUnder, yeah i put 15.10 LTS in the same manner with the same configuration flawlessly with the same options about a month ago
[22:13] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: Ok...coolbeans...so you didn't want to "upgrade" just by going through the live OS?
[22:13] <Phanes> im going to reimage the usb stick with the 15.10 iso and see if it still has the same issue.  if it doesn't im filing a bug report
[22:14] <Phanes> right, i was not doing this to upgrade, i wanted to tank the install
[22:14] <squinty> spade34597,  might want to check out pendrivelinux.com
[22:14] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: Yeah - could do that...and yeah, coolbeans - ditch the old and start fresh...understandable...
[22:14] <spade34597> squinty: been there and tried all options :/
[22:15] <spade34597> squinty: i got multibootusb, but it wont start with a USB inserted... only without
[22:15] <YankDownUnder> spade34597: Check the BIOS options for boot order
[22:16] <Jordan_U> spade34597: Yes.
[22:16] <spade34597> YankDownUnder: its not that, i cannot create the USB in the first place using multibootusb, or any other software
[22:16] <YankDownUnder> spade34597: And is it safe to assume that you've re-formatted/partitioned the USB in question?
[22:17] <spade34597> YankDownUnder: yep, FAT32
[22:18] <YankDownUnder> spade34597: ...and you've checked the partition on that USB to make sure it was "bootable", too, hmm?
[22:18] <spade34597> YankDownUnder: i can start multibootusb program, without the USB. Then insert it, and finds it. But then i cannot add iso's
[22:19] <YankDownUnder> spade34597: Are you doing this as a "sudo" user? Because it oddly kinda sounds like that...(no permissions to directly access devices)
[22:19] <spade34597> YankDownUnder: yep, i tried with a lubuntu install, and it works
[22:19] <spade34597> YankDownUnder: yes as root
[22:19] <selfl0rd> YankDownUnder: I've done the driver auto install and rebooted. When you say "Software Centre" is that the Software and Updates?
[22:19] <YankDownUnder> spade34597: Right oh...far out...
[22:20] <spade34597> YankDownUnder: i need to get (l)ubuntu and a windos install on
[22:20] <YankDownUnder> selfl0rd: Si.
[22:20] <spade34597> *windows
[22:21] <selfl0rd> YankDownUnder: I see an Additional Drivers tab. I go there, and I see "Unknown: Unknown" and it says "This devide is using an alternative driver. I have the options of using Processor Microcode firmware for AMD CPU's or an option to "Do not use the device"
[22:21] <selfl0rd> I unfortunately do not see a stick or 3rd party option
[22:22] <YankDownUnder> selfl0rd: The manufacturer stated that it's "linux compatible" - on their website (or whatever) - does it specify what distributions are supported, or, does it point to a driver download or source code, etc etc etc?
[22:23] <selfl0rd> It stated it was supported on amazon when I bought it. Unfortunately no it did not specify which distribution. One moment I'll see if I can find anything on their website
[22:23] <selfl0rd> THank you for your help by the way
[22:23] <YankDownUnder> selfl0rd: ...and if the device is using an "alternative" driver, have you tested to make sure that it's working yet? You said it was a wifi card - have you checked in the "network connections" to see if wifi is showing up?
[22:24] <selfl0rd> Also, I do have an internal wireless card in the laptop, if that makes any difference in this
[22:24] <YankDownUnder> selfl0rd: All is good...great way to start a Monday morning...
[22:27] <selfl0rd> Sorry I lost connection there for a moment
[22:27] <selfl0rd> did you see my last chat about an internal wifi?
[22:28] <YankDownUnder> selfl0rd: Yes...that being said, if you want to see what's plugged in - USB wise, you can open a terminal and type: lsusb => that will show you what is plugged in - and give you a device/maker name
[22:29] <YankDownUnder> selfl0rd: This "stick" is a wifi stick, is there a reason you're not wanting to use the internal/built-in wifi?
[22:29] <selfl0rd> yes I believe the internal card is very weak
[22:29] <selfl0rd> I lose connection a lot
[22:35] <Phanes> YankDownUnder, ikonia install of LTS 15.10 server's public iso was flawless
[22:35] <Phanes> first attempt
[22:35] <Phanes> so there's obviously a bug in the new server LTS ISO
[22:36] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: Far out...well, then that answers that particular question...and are you absolutely sure that the MD5SUM of the downloaded server ISO is correct? (Sometimes things get mucked up in downloading...kinda normal)
[22:36] <Phanes> the md5sum matches
[22:37] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: Right oh, fair enough...and just on that note, you've double-checked all the init settings prior to the boot? (parameters to be passed to the kernel)...always nice to know - because there is ALWAYS a next time...
[22:38] <Phanes> no i just left all of them at defaults
[22:38] <Phanes> i wont be using the new LTS or future versions, this was just a refresh until i can pick out a viable replacement for future servers
[22:40] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: Kinda sad that you've had a bad experience with the LTS of 16.04, but hey, as long as it ain't "Windows Server 2012" or such...I've not had any issues with 16.04 server...and I tend to bash the crap out of things...therefore, for ME, it's been rather nice...but hey, we're all different, and that's the beauty of it all...
[22:41] <Phanes> yeah i need that raid0 working and my drive lettering to be solid
[22:41] <Phanes> it could be specific to that hardware
[22:41] <Phanes> but we'll never know lol
[22:42] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: Fair enough...so RAID0...got a mixup of drives, eh?
[22:43] <Phanes> yeah, summary is basically, usb as /dev/sda, installer in some places called sda the raid0, and in others the usb.
[22:43] <selfl0rd> So, as stated previously, I'm very new to linux. Aside from basic directory navigation, I really don't know what I'm doing. I'm not ashamed to admit that, but I'm very eager to learn. Do any of you have an experience with any online resources for complete beginners? Or do you know of any resources to build linux skills from the ground up?
[22:43] <Startrek852> Hello.
[22:43] <YankDownUnder> Phanes: Fair enough
[22:44] <Bashing-om> !manual | selfl0rd
[22:44] <YankDownUnder> selfl0rd: Something else to look at: https://www.linux.com/learn/complete-beginners-guide-linux
[22:45] <selfl0rd> Well, to be honest, I'm not really looking to use linux as a casual web surfing OS or multi-media
[22:45] <selfl0rd> I want to try my hand at learning how computers talk to each other, and what I'm able to make a machine do
[22:45] <Bashing-om> selfl0rd: Others I have found of value : http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Trusty ; ttp://www.ubuntupocketguide.com/download_main.html .
[22:46] <selfl0rd> Oh nice! Thank you for the links!
[22:47] <YankDownUnder> selfl0rd: Great to collect heaps of links - and to READ...linux is like a "Swiss Army Knife"...you can live with it as your "spoon", or  you can get extremely down and dirty and take over the world...your choice...
[22:47] <selfl0rd> YankDownUnder: Great analogy :P
[22:48] <selfl0rd> Windows is my spoon on another machine :P I use it for casual computing and gaming
[22:48] <selfl0rd> Linux to me seems like a craft. A good trade to acquire.
[22:49] <YankDownUnder> selfl0rd: Fair enough...in time, you'll find that linux is also great for gaming...was actually the original place/OS for hard core multi-user/player games...Quake, Doom, etc...."back in the day"...and Steam runs on linux...aside from the tonnes of games available for free...
[22:50] <selfl0rd> YankDownUnder: That sounds good as well!
[22:50] <YankDownUnder> selfl0rd: All is good...just can't seem to get linux to make me a coffee or bring me donuts...YET...
[22:51] <selfl0rd> Haha
[22:52] <selfl0rd> sudo apt-get donuts
[22:53] <Bashing-om> YankDownUnder: That day is comming .. Already ubuntu drives cars .. soon will be robotic to fetch the coffee !
[23:04] <kulelu88> Once you actually start using Linux, you realize that as a desktop, it is not much different from windows, except that when you screw something up, you can dig as deep as you want to figure out what is going on. no black boxes, well until you get deep enough that is
[23:10] <msev-> If i do that suid stuff to arp-scan does it mean i wont have to write sudo and the password for that program any more?
[23:10] <msev-> That chmod something something :)
[23:15] <BlueProtoman> In which PPA can I get the latest version of Boost?
[23:19] <daniel> oi
[23:28] <cwolford> can someone help me get a usb/wifi scanner working?
[23:29] <calicojack> what is the chipset?
[23:31] <cwolford> it's a pixma mp560 multifunction, printer portion works, scanner is recognized when plugged into usb but simple scan fails to recognize it.
[23:31] <cwolford> er...fails to connect to it.
[23:41] <porjaus> does anyone have experience with kleopatra to encrypt with gpg?
[23:49] <sine0> hi there folks. I have 2.8.16-1ubuntu1 which has a major bug in it and i want to roll back or use 2.8.16-0. how can i do this ?
[23:50] <dyc3> sine0, is that the kernel version?
[23:51] <sine0> no i think its just the gimp dev version number
[23:53] <debidi> sine0: download .deb and dpkg -i <pkg>.deb
[23:53] <debidi> sudo ofc
[23:55] <Ben64> sine0: what's the bug
[23:55] <sine0> cage transform tool crashes every time. found the forum posts, im not alone.
[23:56] <sine0> http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=136484.0
[23:57] <Ben64> sine0: are you using pclinuxos?
[23:59] <sine0> no