[01:36] <qengho> Hi hi hi.
[05:01] <hikiko> hi
[05:52] <pitti> Bonjour tout le monde !
[07:18] <desrt> bonjour, pitti!
[07:18] <desrt> ça va?
[07:19] <pitti> desrt: ça va bien, merci ! et  toi ? es-tu dans l'Europe ?
[07:20] <desrt> oui.  dans la «Basque Country»
[07:21] <pitti> dos cervezas, por favor !
[07:21] <desrt> le lol
[07:21] <desrt> it seems the local awesomeness here is pintxos... i have to say, i quite like the system
[07:22] <pitti> or "favor" (no space), I think
[07:22] <desrt> they take practically anything at all and put it on top of a piece of bread and put a bunch of them out at the bar.  if you want one, you just point at it and the bartender gives it to you... and it's like 1-2€... sometimes like 2€ for a pintxo and coffee, etc.
[07:23] <desrt> some of them can get pretty fancy
[07:31]  * desrt spends today in a hotel with surprisingly good wifi sitting beside an open window with rain in the trees outside and a perfect cool breeze
[07:31] <desrt> ...the world always looks awesome when i'm just finishing my first cup of coffee for the day =)
[07:41] <RAOF> Sounds nice!
[08:04] <willcooke> morning all
[08:11] <qengho> Hi hi
[08:11] <willcooke> evening qengho
[08:21] <Laney> fake hi
[08:22] <willcooke> o/ laney - good flight?
[08:24] <seb128> hey desktopers, Laney, willcooke
[08:25] <Laney> willcooke: I forked out to upgrade to premium economy, so it was acceptable
[08:25] <Laney> slept for like *3* hours!
[08:25] <willcooke> o/ seb128 - bad luck in the sportsball.
[08:25] <davmor2> seb128: congrats on making ogra_ cry
[08:25] <Laney> hi seb128
[08:25] <willcooke> Laney, nice!
[08:26] <seb128> willcooke, yeah, they didn't play the same game than in previous rounds...
[08:26] <willcooke> Laney, did you get a good deal?
[08:26] <Laney> like 180
[08:26] <willcooke> woot
[08:26] <seb128> is that mostly more leg room?
[08:27] <Laney> and the seats go back further
[08:27] <willcooke> and they dont spit on you
[08:27] <Laney> and a separate cabin
[08:27] <Laney> that's the main thing
[08:27] <pitti> hey Laney, bonjour seb128 !
[08:27] <Laney> and it so happened that it was only about 50% full in there this time
[08:27] <Laney> nobody climbing over me
[08:27] <Laney> hey pitti!
[08:27] <seb128> salut pitti, ça va ? t'as passé un bon w.e ?
[08:28] <pitti> seb128: oui, mais il faisait trop chaud :) donc nous n'avons pas faire beaucoup hier
[08:28] <seb128> c'était pareil ici
[08:28] <seb128> better today
[08:28] <seb128> going to too cold tomorrow
[08:29] <seb128> 34°->19°C
[08:29] <pitti> seb128: et toi ? as-tu terminé de pleurer ? *accolade*
[08:29] <alexarnaud> hello seb128, willcooke, Trevinho and all :) !
[08:29] <seb128> hey alexarnaud
[08:29] <pitti> seb128: oui, il va pleuvoir demain ici aussi
[08:29] <seb128> pitti, c'est que du sport
[08:29] <seb128> shame that they didn't play like in previous rounds though
[08:30]  * seb128 hugs pitti back
[08:30] <pitti> yeah, they seemed a bit tired
[08:30] <pitti> but understandable for a final, and an even bigger tournament than usual
[08:30] <pitti> not sure I like 16 → 24 participants
[08:32] <seb128> yeah, that was a bit weird
[08:44] <seb128> hum, is anybody here using gdm?
[08:44]  * seb128 is lazy to install it and restart his session to do testing
[08:45] <pitti> seb128: I can test in a VM
[08:46] <seb128> pitti, if you have one handy, robert_ancell was asking for output of "w" on a gdm system for https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightdm/+bug/1380364/comments/7
[08:47] <seb128> yeah for old world unspecified behaviours
[08:49] <pitti> gdm doesn't seem to start, I just see a black screen
[08:50] <pitti> well, it does start, but maybe it needs fancy 3D graphics or so
[08:50] <seb128> robert_ancell said he had the same issue which is why he asked if somebody else could test
[08:50] <seb128> :-/
[08:50] <seb128> pitti, thanks for trying
[08:50] <seb128> going to try to see if one of the Ubuntu GNOME guys are around later
[08:50] <pitti> seb128: if it helps, I can test under debian sid with lxdm
[08:51] <seb128> I guess that would give some data points
[08:52] <pitti> heh, it doesn't show any session at all under lxdm..
[08:53] <pitti> I'll try to install gdm in sd
[08:53] <pitti> sid
[08:56] <andyrock> seb128: Olá, como você está? :D
[08:56] <Trevinho> seb128: Olá!
[08:56] <Trevinho> seb128: Como foi o seu final de semana?
[08:57] <seb128> hey andyrock, Trevinho, how are you?
[08:57] <Trevinho> Allright :-)
[08:58] <seb128> you trolls
[08:58] <Trevinho> <3
[08:58] <seb128> had a good w.e?
[08:59] <Trevinho> Yeah, we've been near to my place; in the tuscan countryside...
[08:59] <Trevinho> you, last night a part? :-P
[09:02] <seb128> w.e was relaxing/good
[09:02] <seb128> it was warm and sunny
[09:02] <seb128> enjoyed the weather, had some bbqs, played some tennis
[09:03] <Trevinho> Good
[09:11]  * desrt solves her google language annoyance once and for all
[09:11] <seb128> hey desrt, are you in Europe?
[09:12] <desrt> custom search engine in chromium: copy the google URL from the standard one and add to it ?hl=en&
[09:12] <desrt> yup
[09:12] <seb128> can you tell google to always serve your a specific country version?
[09:12] <seb128> I guess what you just wrote :p
[09:12] <desrt> i want the local google (since it makes sense to have local results)
[09:12] <desrt> but i want it always in english
[09:12] <desrt> ^^ that works for this purpose
[09:13] <seb128> I don't
[09:15] <seb128> the ?hl= gives you results in that language as well?
[09:15] <seb128> or just the google ui
[09:16] <desrt> results and UI
[09:17] <desrt> but you get local results
[09:17] <seb128> cool, maybe I should use that
[09:17] <desrt> for example, looking for 'vodafone' gives me vodafone.es here
[09:17] <seb128> I wish google would be smart enough to do that automatically for you
[09:17] <desrt> if i did the google.com/ncr thing i'd get vodafone global corporate group
[09:18] <seb128> does that still work? that gives me google.fr here
[09:18] <desrt> i have google.es here, in english
[09:19] <desrt> i guess it might be a bit more complicated for you since you probably want french results sometimes and english others
[09:19] <desrt> or dutch :)
[09:19] <seb128> yeah
[09:19] <desrt> how's your dutch, btw? :)
[09:19] <seb128> what I really want is google to stop redirecting me to .nl when i'm there
[09:19] <seb128> or giving me dutch results
[09:20] <desrt> you want .nl, but in french
[09:20] <seb128> no
[09:20] <seb128> I want .fr
[09:20] <seb128> well depends :p
[09:20] <desrt> you don't want to look for anything in the netherlands?
[09:20] <seb128> depends
[09:20] <desrt> i look for two things, generally:
[09:20] <seb128> sometime I just want to order things in France and get them delivered to my place for next time I'm there
[09:20] <desrt>  1) international information "in the interwebs" (like work stuff)
[09:21] <desrt>  2) local places, info, etc.
[09:21] <desrt> i almost never look for toronto stuff when i travel... and if i do, i can add "toronto" or so
[09:22] <seb128> I guess I'm getting tired that 1) gives me dutch results
[09:22] <desrt> dutch the place or dutch the language?
[09:22] <seb128> the language
[09:22] <desrt> so hl=fr
[09:22] <seb128> right, it's just annoying to have to change bookmark, quick search
[09:22] <seb128> not even sure I can do that on my android phone
[09:23] <desrt> interesting question
[09:23] <desrt> do you use chrome there?
[09:23] <seb128> yes
[09:23] <desrt> hmm
[09:23] <desrt> the lack of adblock in chrome is really starting to become a problem for me
[09:23] <desrt> also: no good cookie control
[09:23] <seb128> true, I was thinking that as well
[09:25] <hikiko> Trevinho willcooke hello! https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/unity/unity.launcher-icon-anim/+merge/299664 I reduced the durations of the icon quirks here (launcher icon animation when a program starts etc) and it doesn't look bad imho, do you think we should merge it? I didn't set everything to 0, maybe I should, but I thought we might want some animation when a program starts for example...
[09:27] <hikiko> I could certainly set the urgent animation durations to 0 now I look at it
[09:33] <Sweet5hark> hmmmm. so the good news is: the snap l10n build is still running and it is not running in circles ...
[09:34] <Sweet5hark> the bad new is: it is touching files ... at a rate of ~204 files per minute. And it has to touch 79000 files.
[09:34] <Sweet5hark> thus it will bumble around for 7 hours doing this. meh.
[09:36] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark
[09:36] <seb128> urg
[09:36] <seb128> is there anything snap specific in that?
[09:36] <seb128> or just normal i10n build?
[09:37] <Sweet5hark> not really something snap specific in there. We do all l10ns at once, which should work perfectly fine but apparently is awefully slow for us.
[09:38] <willcooke> could it be a h/w issue?  Like a disk playing up?
[09:38] <willcooke> or that's just how it is and deal with it?
[09:39] <Sweet5hark> I assume that this a recent regression from some fix in GNU make causing make to touch one file and then restarting itself (and thus reparsing a bazillion lines of makefiles). I assume upstream doesnt see this as they are using an older GNU make.
[09:40] <Sweet5hark> so GNU make did a fix causing it to do more restarts, because it was looping in some cornercase before and that causes us to be hit by it.
[09:42] <Sweet5hark> When we build dpkgs we are hit by this too, but not as hard as we are building one l10n at a time there IIRC. Thus the dependency tree isnt that huge ...
[09:43] <Sweet5hark> And for the record: Yes I wrote the upstream build system. But for my defense, I didnt write the part that is slow now ...
[09:45] <Sweet5hark> s/reparsing a bazillion lines of makefiles/reparsing a bazillion lines of makefiles and then restating a few 10.000 files/
[09:49] <Sweet5hark> There are a few hacks to work around this like stopping the build "at the right time" and doing a "find  ... -exec touch" on the relevant subtree. But like anything containing handwaving words like "the right time", that would be extremely fragile.
[09:51] <seb128> well if there is a make regression that should at least be filed upstream/to whoever maintains make for debian/ubuntu
[09:53] <seb128> willcooke, unsure what changes we want in the LTS .1 which are not in proposed yet but we should probably engage with the release team about those because they are not communicating much atm but they might just say it's late and that we missed the boat then
[10:04] <Sweet5hark> seb128: well, "performance regression" aka you made my cornercase slow by fixing someone else breaking hard on a cornercase.
[10:05] <seb128> could be...
[10:05]  * Sweet5hark looks if this can be solved by some good old dependency breaking.
[10:05] <Trevinho> hikiko: I was thinking about that, but I thought that icon animations was fine as it was... Maybe it could have been reduced, but not removed. As it indicates also the state in some cases
[10:05] <Trevinho> while redraws because of it aren't that big
[10:06] <willcooke> seb128, the only things on my radar are the NM fixes and the low gfx mode, so I think generally we're ok.  My comment in the email was just a reminder
[10:07] <seb128> willcooke, k, well my concern is that the lowgfx might not get in, unsure how much of an issue that would be, I would suggest we are more pro-active if we want to make sure it's in
[10:07] <hikiko> Trevinho, maybe I could set them all to 1 or to SHORT_SHORT
[10:08] <hikiko> the starting animation for example where the duration is multiplied with other nums
[10:08] <Trevinho> hikiko: mh, maybe setting them all to the half is better, since they've have have different durations
[10:08] <hikiko> looks quite good (imo) with the 1
[10:08] <Trevinho> but really I think the way we've right now is fine
[10:08] <hikiko> Trevinho, I was thinking that we should reduce the starting animations at least
[10:09] <Trevinho> I'll do some tests
[10:09] <hikiko> because people complain that "the programs start slowly"
[10:09] <willcooke> hikiko, Trevinho - did anyone get to the bottom of that session startup problem yet?
[10:09] <hikiko> try the 1
[10:09] <hikiko> willcooke, Trevinho said that there were missing files from compiz in that daily build
[10:09] <hikiko> that would explain why we can start unity manually
[10:10] <Trevinho> willcooke: mh, not sure... I didn't test the daily
[10:10] <willcooke> hikiko, Trevinho  - ah yes, I remember.  Please can someone look in to that?
[10:10] <hikiko> willcooke, Trevinho, I am going to dist-upgrade and check if it's fixed in that vm (I don't have the problem in X)
[10:11] <Trevinho> hikiko: thanks
[10:11] <hikiko> Trevinho, if you could check the starting animation in my branch, I think it's quite faster and we still see animation, maybe I should change this only and leave the rest as it was
[10:11] <hikiko> I don't know :)
[10:12] <willcooke> thanks guys
[10:33] <hikiko> willcooke, Trevinho the update didn't have any desktop packages and I still have the same issues
[10:37] <willcooke> hikiko,  thanks for checking.  Could you and Trevinho try and get to the bottom of it please?
[10:40] <hikiko> sure, willcooke, well, I'll copy Trevinho's files manually to the vm to see if it starts, then we can make sure that it's because of the missing files, if it does we can only wait for the next release, if it doesn't we'll debug it further
[10:41] <willcooke> thanks!
[10:41] <hikiko> pff I forgot to delete a part of the sentence :p but you made sense of it :p
[10:41] <Trevinho> hikiko: dpkg -L compiz-gnome and unity too
[10:43] <hikiko> Trevinho, there's a /etc/compizconfig/unity-lowgfx.ini
[10:43] <hikiko> is this the file that was missing the other time?
[10:44] <Trevinho> hikiko: as for the /etc/compizconfig/config content?
[10:44] <Trevinho> hikiko:  and /usr/share/upstart/sessions/unity7.conf
[10:44] <Trevinho> hikiko: also, if you can try with a new yakkety daily from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[10:44] <Trevinho> would be nice
[10:44] <hikiko> sure Trevinho give me a minute
[10:44] <Trevinho> more than trying the distrupgrade that could be wrong
[10:44] <Trevinho> hikiko: thanks
[10:46] <hikiko>  the /etc/compizconfig/config is missing
[10:46] <hikiko> sorry
[10:47] <hikiko> it is there and contains the low gfx setting
[10:47] <hikiko> same for unity7.conf Trevinho
[10:47] <hikiko> those files are installed and have the new settings
[10:48] <Trevinho> hikiko: so... I don't see why things shouldn't work
[10:48] <Trevinho> hikiko: do you have ~/.cache/upstart/unity7.log handy?
[10:48] <hikiko> so.. debug :)
[10:48] <hikiko> Trevinho, it's empty
[10:49] <hikiko> Trevinho, the weird thing is you can start u7 manually
[10:49] <hikiko> lightdm can't start it
[10:51] <hikiko> there's an error in .xsession-errors but I am not sure it's relevant:
[10:52] <hikiko> upstart: upstart-event-bridge main process (<pid>) terminated with status 1
[10:52] <hikiko> upstart: upstart-event-bridge respawning too fast, stopped
[11:01] <ogra_> davmor2, the only thing that seb128 made me cry with is beating the world champion but then not managing portugal :P
[11:01] <ogra_> (without ronaldo !)
[11:04] <davmor2> ogra_: hahahahahahaha
[11:05] <davmor2> ogra_: could be worse you could be English :D
[11:05] <ogra_> lol
[11:26] <hikiko> willcooke, the new daily build (fresh installation) starts u7 in lowgfx, it just takes a while the 1st time
[11:29] <willcooke> hikiko, ah, so fixed?
[11:29] <willcooke> well, more fixed than it was anyway]
[11:29] <hikiko> willcooke, so it wasn't a bug :) it was just the package
[11:29] <willcooke> cool!
[12:40]  * qengho Zzz
[12:41] <seb128> night qengho
[12:42] <qengho> bon nuit, seb128
[12:42] <qengho> bonne? Argh.
[12:44] <seb128> bonne ;-)
[13:27] <seb128> sil2100, the data/device-configs files are copyright android and under apache license, that should be mentioned in the debian/copyright ... otherwise it looks fine I think
[13:28] <seb128> oh, that was a reply for the repowerd NEW review you asked early about on ci-eng, wrong channel though
[19:54] <willcooke> morning robert_ancell
[19:54] <robert_ancell> willcooke, hu
[19:54] <robert_ancell> hi
[20:23] <willcooke> right, gotta go and sort errant children out
[20:23] <willcooke> gnight all
[22:18] <robert_ancell> desrt, around?
[23:48] <jbicha> popey: I opened bug 1602035