[00:04] <irma-teresa> Hi everyone, I'm writing because the caja manager can't seem to stop opening new windows and they seem to never load too. Does someone know where I can find an answer? I'm in an ubuntu mate 16.04
[00:05] <rev_> Did you install antiviral by any chance?
[00:07] <irma-teresa> Yes, I installed Antiviral, from the sofware boutique!
[00:07] <rev_> Remove it. There is a problem reported here with it spawning caja endlessly: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/caja-with-dropbox-antivirus-problem-infinite-starting-caja/7160
[00:08] <irma-teresa> ok, I'll try that!
[00:09] <rev_> After removal, open your terminal and and type: caja -q
[00:09] <rev_> That will restart caja properly. If the bug persists, we can rule out antiviral probably
[00:10] <irma-teresa> the windows stop opening and loading after I uninstalled Antiviral, thanks!
[00:11] <irma-teresa> I'll restart caja from the terminal!
[00:12] <irma-teresa> I think that fix it! thank for the help!
[00:13] <rev_> Anytime.
[03:41] <mate|6828> Can Mate 16.04 be used with secure boot UEFI
[03:42] <nomic> isn't that something you disable to install
[03:42] <nomic> dunno what it is for
[03:42] <nomic> thought, to prevent install of linux -- windows / m$ lock
[03:43] <nomic> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface
[03:44] <mate|6828> It replaces bios boot menu on Hps and other computers. Secure boot is enabled instead of Legacy to protect from Root Control
[03:45] <mate|6828> Some Linux distros will install on UEFI boot systems without disabling secure boot others will not.
[03:53] <nomic> Support for GPT in Linux is enabled by turning on the option CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION (EFI GUID Partition Support) during kernel configuration.[30] This option allows Linux to recognize and use GPT disks after the system firmware passes control over the system to Linux.
[03:53] <nomic> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#Linux
[05:11] <he1kki> Hi guys. Managed to remove my mate panel as a whole by "remove from menu"-action (If I recall action correctly)
[05:12] <he1kki> I bet that my cursor was placed in the top menu, not in the menu item I wanted to remove, so I don't have any kind of menu right now.
[07:00] <he1kki> Hmm, one of my magic cmds fixed my Mate panel after reboot, don't know which one. Anyway, problem solved.
[12:44] <jason__> can somebody help me... I can't register for the support forums because every time it keeps telling me my confirmation link is no longer valid
[12:44] <jason__> I keep getting this synapse bug: https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/synapse-crashes-in-16-04/5348/6
[12:47] <jason__> but when I try to change the command to GTK_IM_MODULE='' synapse in the main menu preferences it doesn't launch
[14:42] <mate|4813> hi
[16:09] <Dasto> I just installed Ubuntu Mate 16.04 from the mini-cd and all was well until I installed Antiviral from Software Boutique(v1.10). After reboot I got ‘Starting Caja’ Loop. I uninstalled Antiviral and it stopped. Where do I report this and has anyone else seen this before?
[16:10] <Akuli> what is antiviral
[16:10] <Akuli> if i'm guessing right it's supposed to be an antivirus checker.. please don't use them
[16:13] <Dasto> It's a gui frontend  for Clamav
[16:13] <Akuli> i think there's alternative guis for it
[16:13] <Akuli> anyway
[16:13] <Dasto> It was in Software Boutique so I thought it was tested and safe to use.
[16:14] <Dasto> Maybe it's just my laptop.
[16:14] <Akuli> i don't think so
[16:14] <Akuli> that sounds like a software issue to me
[16:14] <Akuli> Dasto, the best antivirus you can ever have is your common sense
[16:14] <Akuli> nothing will beat that
[16:15] <Dasto> true. I thought I'd try it.
[16:15] <Akuli> but why
[16:15] <Akuli> if you've moved away from windows less than a week ago i understand that, and it's normal
[16:16] <Dasto> I have been using linux for 8yrs now and haven't touched winblows for 3yrs now. I'm getting errors installing Minecraft. I'm now trying ppa route.
[16:17] <Akuli> is there a linux version of it?
[16:17] <Akuli> i thought it was a fully windows game
[16:17] <Akuli> maybe it runs in wine?
[16:18] <Dasto> Do you run Ubuntu Mate?
[16:18] <Akuli> yes, on my other computer
[16:18] <Akuli> this one is devuan
[16:19] <Akuli> with mate
[16:20] <Dasto> Okay. Minecraft is written in Java and has always run on Linux. Just a pain to run default way through terminal. That's why I always use lauchers from ppa's.
[16:20] <Akuli> Dasto, why don't you create one yourself
[16:20] <odroid> good evening
[16:21] <Akuli> right-click a panel, add to panel, custom application launcher
[16:21] <odroid> i cannot access
[16:21] <Akuli> set up whatever command you need and a decent icon, you're ready to go
[16:21] <odroid> welcome softwares
[16:21] <Akuli> hi odroid
[16:21] <odroid> i just got this odriod device
[16:21] <Dasto> Sorry I meant unofficial installer not launcher.
[16:22] <Akuli> you could even make a menu item of it
[16:22] <Akuli> so it would be in your menu, with all the other stuff
[16:22] <odroid> software boutique
[16:23] <odroid> it says welcome could not feature any software that is compatible on this system
[16:23] <odroid> any bro or sis have idea
[16:24] <odroid> how to resolve this issue
[16:24] <odroid> ?
[16:25] <odroid> Dear Akuli can you help please?
[16:30] <Akuli> which version of ubuntu mate are you running
[16:32] <Akuli> odroid, i'd recommend just installing your software manually with the terminal or using synaptics package manager
[16:32] <Akuli> more reliable
[16:44] <odroid> MATE Desktop Environment 1.12.1
[17:46] <gQuigs> where would be the best place to start a discussion about the the future of the i386 architecture on Ubuntu Mate?  (for instance I did it on the Ubuntu GNOME ML for them - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-gnome/2016-July/004072.html)
[17:55] <Akuli> this computer is 32-bit
[17:55] <SCHAAP137> 64-bit here
[18:25] <gQuigs> Akuli: curious what chip, memory?
[18:25] <Akuli> this is an old thinkpad r400
[18:25] <Akuli> 2GB of ram
[18:26] <Akuli> but my oldest computer is an imac g3, with 256MB of ram :D
[18:26] <Akuli> runs ubuntu 12.04 with xfce just fine
[18:37] <gQuigs> Akuli: do you think you'll upgrade it, or will it stay on 12.04 until it dies?
[18:37] <Akuli> yes, and then it's time to figure out how devuan runs on it
[18:37] <Akuli> because 14.04 with systemd would be way too slow
[18:38] <gQuigs> Akuli: systemd doesn't really make things slower :)
[18:38] <gQuigs> Akuli: and anyway, 16.04 is the version that introduced systemd
[18:38] <Akuli> well, my personal experience has been completely the opposite
[18:38] <Akuli> its not
[18:38] <Akuli> 14.04 has it
[18:40] <gQuigs> 14.04 has a systemd shim layer that does a few things, but Upstart is still in charge
[18:40] <Akuli> well, that explains why so many people have issues with 16.04
[18:40] <Akuli> based on the number of people coming to ubuntu help channels after releasing 16.04 its garbage, and now i know why
[18:41] <Akuli> i'll never upgrade to it
[19:04] <JakesDen> I tried updating ubuntu mate and now my pc won't boot up!
[19:05] <JakesDen> I ran sudo apt dist-upgrade and now when I turn my pc on it says failed to load ldlinux.c32
[19:05] <JakesDen> Help!
[19:07] <Chakka____> sounds like a UEFI vs BIOS bootup problem - did you switch modes?
[19:07] <Akuli> JakesDen, hold down left shift during startup, you'll get to a menu
[19:08] <Akuli> JakesDen, highlight your ubuntu there, and press e
[19:08] <Akuli> Chakka____, nice i didn't think of that.. we'll see if he gets to grub or not
[19:08] <JakesDen> Holding left shift didn't work
[19:08] <Akuli> still same error?
[19:08] <JakesDen> Want a screens hot?
[19:09] <Akuli> in that case Chakka____ knows what he's doing
[19:09] <JakesDen> And my pc doesn't support uefi modes
[19:10] <Akuli> JakesDen, do you have the installation cd?
[19:10] <JakesDen> I will send screenshot any easy site to upload it to
[19:10] <Akuli> or dvd or usb stick or whatever
[19:10] <Akuli> JakesDen, postimg.org and imgur.com
[19:10] <Akuli> actually, pasteboard.co is great
[19:10] <JakesDen> No I dont but I can boot the install usb off my android phone
[19:10] <Akuli> :D
[19:10] <Akuli> can you boot the usb stick on your computer?
[19:12] <JakesDen> https://postimg.org/image/rz7w96yuv/
[19:13] <Akuli> does it just do that when you boot it?
[19:13] <JakesDen> Yes
[19:13] <Akuli> which architecture?
[19:13] <Akuli> i386, amd64, powerpc...?
[19:13] <JakesDen> I pressed esc and it says grub loading but it doesn't do nothing
[19:13] <JakesDen> Amd64
[19:14] <Akuli> so grub is broken
[19:14] <Akuli> can you boot the usb stick on your computer?
[19:14] <JakesDen> Yup
[19:14] <JakesDen> Can I try the grub rescue disk?
[19:14] <Akuli> i don't like that
[19:14] <Akuli> just a plain ubuntu iso would be nice
[19:15] <JakesDen> It only happened since linux kernel was uodated
[19:15] <Akuli> all linux mint fans would say that their distro never does that :D
[19:15] <JakesDen> I will start downloading ubuntu mate ISO now
[19:15] <Akuli> do you have the grub resque disc downloaded?
[19:16] <Akuli> and how long will downloading take?
[19:18] <JakesDen> Mabey only 5 mins
[19:18] <JakesDen> If I had BitTorrent then it would be 1 min
[19:18] <JakesDen> Do I have to reinstall ubuntu mate?
[19:20] <JakesDen> I just realised I had a usb with corrupted grub plugged into my pc
[19:20] <Akuli> oh :D
[19:20] <JakesDen> #derp
[19:20] <JakesDen> I quote like linux distros
[19:21] <pilne> i'm looking to install win7 alongside my mate, i already have the partition set aside and formatted ntfs, will installing windows overwrite my mbr?
[19:21] <Akuli> pilne, yes, and you'll need to reinstall grub
[19:21] <JakesDen> I have been using linux since I was 7-8 years old
[19:21] <pilne> but otherwise everything else *should* be safe Akuli ?
[19:21] <Akuli> pilne, yes, i can help you with that, or just google it
[19:21] <Akuli> i've done that
[19:21] <pilne> i've done it before as well when i borked shit
[19:22] <pilne> just chrooting in from a usb has worked before
[19:22] <Akuli> just be careful not to uograde to windows 10 :(
[19:22] <Akuli> :)
[19:22] <Akuli> chrooting windows??
[19:22] <pilne> i'm going to unplug from the interwebs to do the install
[19:22] <pilne> chrooting into my mate install
[19:22] <Akuli> oh now i see
[19:22] <Akuli> thats what you should do, yes
[19:22] <Akuli> i think just an update-grub might be enough, not sure
[19:22] <pilne> and then i'm going to install "never10" or something
[19:22] <Akuli> you can just avoid some updates on it
[19:23] <Akuli> i have a list of them somewhere, but i have no idea where right now
[19:23] <JakesDen> Well I wanted to play a game and on the box it says works on windows 7 or better so I installed linux
[19:24] <Akuli> :D
[19:24] <Akuli> some of them say 'greater'
[19:25] <JakesDen> I have never realy liked windows.
[19:26] <JakesDen> I have been trying out cublinux and 8 quite like it so I might dual boot it with my pc soon
[19:26] <Akuli> whats cublinux
[19:27] <JakesDen> A mix between chromium design and ubuntu
[19:27] <JakesDen> Cublinux.com
[19:29] <JakesDen> I must say even on a old Dell latitude d620 laptop with a old hhd it boots up quicker than entering I have seen before
[19:29] <Akuli> i can say same about devuan on this thinkpad :D
[19:36] <JakesDen> I just wish there was a way to watch Netflix on my 32 bit laptop on any chrome browser
[19:36] <Akuli> doesn't it work on chromium?
[19:36] <Akuli> i guess not, then you need to find an old 32-bit chrome somewhere
[19:37] <Akuli> or run a browser in wine
[19:37] <JakesDen> Nope,  asks for silver light and the browser doesn't have support for drm content anywatmy
[19:37] <JakesDen> I would use old chrome if only it wasnt horrendously out of date
[19:42] <Akuli> JakesDen, try firefox in wine
[19:42] <Akuli> maybe it works
[19:42] <Akuli> or chrome in wine
[19:43] <JakesDen> No I don't want firefox
[19:43] <JakesDen> Plus I don't want it complicated I just want Netflix to work out of the box
[19:45] <Akuli> no netflix or netflix in wine?
[19:45] <Akuli> up to you
[19:48] <JakesDen> No Netflix I guess
[19:48] <JakesDen> Well I will probably just use my phone for now
[19:50] <JakesDen> Well see ya all later!
[20:36] <ubuntu-mate> hi there, I have this situation. sda is my laptop computer HD, sdb is a flash drive I m booting and sdc is a portable HD. Id like to install ubuntu on sdc without interfering at all with sda normal functioning. Is the option Something else and then selecting sdc for bootloader installation a safe option?
[20:36] <ubuntu-mate> like this http://imgur.com/QZiV4PA
[20:36] <Akuli> best i can think of
[20:37] <Akuli> by the way, you don't need a separate /home
[20:37] <Akuli> just make a swap same size as your ram but not more than 4GB, and a / ext4 partition
[20:37] <Akuli> for boot loader, is there a /dev/sdc option in the boot loader menu?
[20:38] <ubuntu-mate> yes, i made a printscreen on the link
[20:38] <Akuli> choose /dev/sdc instead of /dev/sdc1 if you can
[20:38] <Akuli> it's been a while since i used the installer though
[20:39] <Akuli> if you can't choose sdc, make it point at your / partition
[20:39] <ubuntu-mate> yeah, i've done just that, if I didn't it wouldn't let me continue
[20:39] <Akuli> seems like you don't have a / partition yet
[20:39] <ubuntu-mate> so this way won't affect sda AT ALL, right?
[20:39] <Akuli> if you carefully leave it untouched there
[20:39] <ubuntu-mate> I've changed it since that capture
[20:41] <ubuntu-mate> right now it is like this http://imgur.com/ZeVqlwN
[20:41] <Akuli> i can't see what's going on in sdc
[20:41] <Akuli> can you scroll down a bit and take a new screenshot?
[20:42] <ubuntu-mate> sure, just a sec
[20:42] <ubuntu-mate> http://imgur.com/NldzADK
[20:43] <Akuli> liiks good to me
[20:43] <Akuli> looks
[20:43] <ubuntu-mate> ok, i'll give it a try! thanks
[20:43] <Akuli> before you click install now
[20:43] <ubuntu-mate> yes
[20:44] <Akuli> let's just see if someone else here can check if thats good
[20:44] <Akuli> because i don't usually use the installer for installing my operating system so i don't know if there's something more we need to take in account
[20:44] <ubuntu-mate> allright
[20:45] <Akuli> if nobody says anything you can ask on #ubuntu, but you need to register on freenode for that, /msg nickserv help gets you started if needed
[20:45] <ubuntu-mate> what alternatives do I have? it would be great to mirror my ``local`` filesystem with that one, if you know what i meant
[20:46] <ubuntu-mate> already asked
[20:46] <Akuli> mirror it?
[20:47] <ubuntu-mate> that the ubuntu mate that I have in my portable drive would be an exact copy of the one i have in the portable HD
[20:47] <Akuli> you can transfer your files and settings easily
[20:48] <Akuli> just copy everything in /home/username, including hidden files
[20:48] <ubuntu-mate> i see, but first I need it to have a bootable os first
[20:55] <ubuntu-mate> hm... Akuli. when I press Install now, it doesn't select the appropriate device for the swap partition
[20:55] <Akuli> hmm
[20:55] <Akuli> i need to go now, its late here
[20:55] <Akuli> go to #ubuntu if nobody here knows
[20:55] <ubuntu-mate> no problem! thanks anyway!
[23:28] <workhorse> just installed ClamAV from the boutique, and had Caja go NUTS on ME! It removed the desktop icons, and was opening endless caja's.  It was like a wet gremlin!
[23:43] <rev_> workhorse: That is a known issue ( https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/caja-with-dropbox-antivirus-problem-infinite-starting-caja/7160 ).
[23:43] <rev_> Antiviral is being considered for removal from the boutique.
[23:44] <workhorse> Yeah, I can see why...lol, I was glad that was the issue, as troubleshooting the issue was confusing
[23:44] <workhorse> thanks for link, will look at it now
[23:45] <rev_> Yeah, that issue has been coming up frequently. Hopefully it will get pulled soon. Glad you figured it out.
[23:46] <workhorse> thanks, I'll look straight to the mate community
[23:47] <workhorse> for future issues...
[23:48] <MrMikl989> hi kind of new to Ubuntu but I did redhat 8.  I have U 16.  But I cant figure out how to make a shortcut to the desktop for firestorm viewer
[23:48] <MrMikl989> i found a web page and did gedit to make one, and there is a gedit icon in applications
[23:49] <MrMikl989> wonders if anyone can tell me what I am doing wrong?
[23:52] <MrMikl989> right now i launch in terminal and go to the directory and use ./firestorm to launch it and it runs
[23:54] <Slane19d> do you see the program in applications at the top?
[23:54] <MrMikl989> no
[23:55] <Slane19d> yeah, guess that was too obvious!
[23:55] <Slane19d> sorry,
[23:55] <MrMikl989> np
[23:55] <MrMikl989> the text file only appears when I go through file manager
[23:56] <dexter_> hello any info on instaling ATI R7 360 drivers on mate 16.04?
[23:56] <dexter_> sorry AMD
[23:57] <dexter_> just installed 16.04 and trying to get steam to work and suspect need drivers
[23:57] <dexter_> will i have to revert back to 15.04?
[23:59] <MrMikl989> and i made it using sudo, as admin, btw
[23:59] <nomic> why, on 2 monitors same .. have to "disable overscan" on 1 .. install
[23:59] <nomic> /boot/config.txt
[23:59] <Slane19d> might want to check steam forums for info, I got it to work that way @dexter