[00:38] <diddledan> moo
[00:38] <daftykins> hi
[00:38] <diddledan> o/
[00:39] <daftykins> how goes it, sir?
[00:39] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/g2pQizN.jpg
[00:39] <daftykins> :D
[00:39] <diddledan> pretty good ta
[00:40] <diddledan> mmm icecream ftw
[00:40] <daftykins> that was the good, this was the bad
[00:40] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rkc0ks4ep7w1vnu/IMG_20160711_004924.jpg?dl=0
[00:40] <daftykins> poor little lass got swiped by a neighbour kitty
[00:41] <diddledan> aww :-(
[00:41] <diddledan> lots of cuddles required methinks
[00:41] <daftykins> :) a fine treatment regime
[00:42] <daftykins> heh i was cleaning her electronic cat flap today, she came back to it and i could tell the smell hit her first (used a bit o' fairy liquid)
[00:42] <daftykins> she was all, "eww, no no no wat is this?!"
[01:15] <diddledan> kitties don't like new smeels
[01:15] <daftykins> :D
[01:15] <diddledan> that's why they don't like me.. too many farts :-p
[01:15] <daftykins> had to click away inside looking at her until she came in
[01:15] <diddledan> heh
[01:16] <diddledan> wind's blowing well outside
[01:16] <diddledan> my curtains are waggling
[01:17] <daftykins> mmm i heard a bit of roughness out there too
[01:28] <diddledan> is usb-c designed to handle thunderbolt or have people done something unspecced?
[01:31] <daftykins> USB C is the physical form factor of the thunderbolt port on my Dell XPS 13 9350
[01:31] <daftykins> it also speaks displayport
[01:31] <daftykins> though i think that's encompassed within thunderbolt
[01:33] <diddledan> yah but it also carries USB3.1 so I'm confused as to whether the thunderbolt and usb are converging
[01:34] <diddledan> I mean my mobo says on the box "dual thunderbolt 3 - the usb type-c that does it all" and the usb3.1 are on the same holes
[01:34] <daftykins> that'll likely be from an ASMedia chip
[01:35] <daftykins> you have to bear in mind the industry has ruined "USB 3.1" as that can mean two things, USB 3.1 gen 1 is 5Gbps or what we know as USB 3.0 - whilst USB 3.1 gen 2 is 10Gbps
[01:35] <daftykins> it's a mess :(
[01:36] <diddledan> nuts
[01:36] <daftykins> i don't think my board has thunderbolt, so i dunno there
[01:39]  * diddledan checks the manual to be sure it does thunderbird and 3.1 on the same connector
[01:39] <diddledan> yup. definitely does
[01:41] <diddledan> the specs say it's an intel thunderbird controller
[01:42] <daftykins> on mine, the ASMedia drives the teal coloured USB 3.1 gen 2 ports on the back, one USB C and one USB A
[01:44] <diddledan> yeah. mines only got 3.1 routed to the USB-C's all the USB-A's are 3.0 or less
[01:44] <diddledan> there's a couple 2.0/1.1-only ports too
[01:44] <daftykins> more than one C?
[01:44] <diddledan> two C's
[01:45] <diddledan> both thunderbird capable and both also 3.1
[01:45] <daftykins> when i was shopping for mine i was gonna try and pick intel provided USB 3.1 gen 2, but i gave up caring in the end as it's quite rare
[01:45] <daftykins> gen 2! :P
[01:45] <daftykins> that figures
[01:46] <diddledan> the board is a gigabyte Z170X-UD5 TH if you wanna look it up
[01:47] <daftykins> sure, ta
[01:49] <daftykins> interesting, i always wondered what actually drove the image
[01:49] <daftykins> http://www.megachips.us/products/MCDP28_Products.php
[01:49] <daftykins> yours uses the MCDP2800 chip
[01:49] <daftykins> that drives DP and HDMI conversion output from the thunderbolt port
[01:51] <daftykins> bloody dualBIOS :P
[01:51] <daftykins> gigabyte you are nutters
[01:51] <diddledan> lol
[01:51] <diddledan> at least it's not MSI "let's put the BIOS on a USB Disk"
[01:51] <daftykins> are you waiting on RAM now? :>
[01:52] <diddledan> yup
[01:52] <daftykins> wutcha pick? i was quite amused to see that despite stock speed being 2133MHz and them now going beyond 3400MHz, there's practically no benefit in benchmarks
[01:52] <daftykins> http://www.gigabyte.com/fileupload/product/2/5479/20150904094342_big.png :o
[01:53] <daftykins> ooh a port 80 for boot diagnostic codes built in
[01:53] <diddledan> o_O
[01:53] <diddledan> a port80? as in http?
[01:53] <daftykins> :D the two digit seven segment displays
[01:53]  * diddledan shows he's a web guy :-p
[01:53] <diddledan> aah gotcha
[01:54] <diddledan> yup, I spotted that too
[01:54] <diddledan> and a nice button for power switch without wiring-up a case-mounted one
[01:54] <diddledan> no more fiddling with jumpers to test it :-p
[01:55] <daftykins> that one i got off ebay was like that XD
[01:56] <daftykins> what was ace was i've got 3 boards of the same era, so when i unplugged all the front panel IO stuffs from the case, on that little white plastic riser you get with asus gear, it all matched so i just plugged it straight back on the new one \o/
[01:56] <daftykins> although it turned out my board was fine, it was just my graphics card all along
[01:56] <diddledan> I got one of those risers with this gigabyte
[01:57] <diddledan> again with the "no moar fiddling"
[01:58] <daftykins> they're ace
[01:58] <daftykins> my Z170 asus was actually too stingy, i was shocked!
[01:58] <daftykins> remember the days of individually wired USB header connectors? ugh
[01:58] <diddledan> oh god
[01:58] <daftykins> love the new USB 3.0 design for case ones though
[01:58] <diddledan> they were evil
[01:59] <daftykins> VCC, data -, data +, ground, ground!
[02:08] <daftykins> "Software as a service monitoring platform Datadog, used by the likes of Facebook, Salesforce and Citrix, has been breached and therefore suggested strongly that customers reset their passwords."
[02:08] <diddledan> oh dear
[02:08] <daftykins> Other customers include Spotify, The New York Times and Samsung
[02:09] <m0nkey_> ffs
[02:09] <m0nkey_> I'm just going to stop using everything on the web.
[02:11] <daftykins> it's the only way to be sure
[02:19] <m0nkey_> daftykins, you got a link?
[02:20] <daftykins> it's pretty recent on www.theregister.co.uk
[02:20] <daftykins> was reading from feedly on my phone
[02:20] <daftykins> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/11/hacker_bites_datadog_servers_finds_hardtochew_bcrypt_passwords/
[02:20] <daftykins> yeee
[02:22] <diddledan> time to sleep
[02:22] <diddledan> nn
[02:22] <daftykins> g'night sir
[03:15] <daftykins> http://guernseypress.com/news/2016/07/09/pressure-hose-flies-off-and-hits-scooter-rider/
[03:19] <m0nkey_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBJU9ndpH1Q
[03:21] <daftykins> wow!
[06:25] <knightwise> Good morning
[06:26] <knightwise> Pokemons on the roof ! Unity under windows ... What is this ? Jumanji  ?
[07:00] <marshmn> somehow, suspend is now working fine on my laptop
[07:01] <marshmn> maybe some recent system updates made it work
[07:01] <marshmn> no doubt it may break again sometime - I'll enjoy it whilst it lasts :-)
[07:07] <zmoylan-pi> meanwhile it'll keep you in suspense...
[07:12] <knightwise> marshmn: what machine do you have ,
[07:16] <marshmn> knightwise: Dell XPS 15 (not the most recent generation though - the one before)
[07:16] <knightwise> I have the XPS13 ,
[07:17] <knightwise> same gen as yours i think
[07:25] <knightwise> did you do anything special to enable hibernate ?
[07:57] <dogmatic69> hi all, I got a new lenovo E560 and the touchpad is horrible. Cant drag and select files for example because it jumps around the screen
[07:57] <dogmatic69> also cant highlight text as it jumps around.
[07:58] <dogmatic69> anyone seen something like this, or know how to fix it?
[08:05] <knightwise> popey: I think you managed to tick off every single star trek geek in under 30 seconds
[08:05] <knightwise> well done
[08:18] <TwistedLucidity> dogmatic69: Appears to be a common issue with that model - http://askubuntu.com/questions/758663/lenovo-thinkpad-e560-trackpad-stopped-working
[08:19] <TwistedLucidity> I can't see anything offering a guaranteed solution; sorry
[08:22] <TwistedLucidity> The Lenovo Support page does offer Linux updates for BIOS etc. maybe that will help?
[08:24] <davmor2> knightwise: it's a special knack popey has to both endear and annoy in one swift movement ;)
[08:25] <dogmatic69> TwistedLucidity: thanks
[08:25] <dogmatic69> TwistedLucidity: that is actually not the same issue.
[08:26] <knightwise> davmor2: The only thing he could have said that was worse was that he preferred"the animated series"
[08:29] <davmor2> knightwise: Startrek that's the one with darth vader on Galatica with old ben and maxmillion are the droids, with that plucky little firefly that buck rogers flys in the animated version right
[08:30] <TwistedLucidity> dogmatic69: Driver/Module issues can cause seven shades of weirdness. I've not got experience of any Edge-series ThinkPad.
[08:30] <davmor2> popey: ^ that's how you should start every show :D
[08:45] <diplo> Morning all
[08:48] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:19] <zmoylan-pi> i think trackpads and their suckiness in macos, windows and linux have encouraged me to use console apps more and more
[09:34] <popey> davmor2: knightwise it wasnt intentional
[09:35] <knightwise> popey: did you seriously not know the difference between voy and tng ?
[09:35] <popey> i know both exist
[09:35] <zmoylan-pi> disparaging star trek on irc is worse than hurting cat on internet? :-P
[09:36] <zmoylan-pi> as long as you worship at the altar of ds9 all is well... :-P
[09:36] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: right on both accounts
[09:36]  * knightwise is a TOS man .. but loves DS9 too
[09:37] <zmoylan-pi> and if you love ds9 you should go and watch b5 as well
[09:37] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: beentheredonethat :)
[09:37] <zmoylan-pi> see the new episode of trek continues?
[09:38] <knightwise> let there be dragons ?
[09:39] <zmoylan-pi> come not between the dragons
[09:39] <popey> never watched ds9 either
[09:39] <knightwise> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSFHGyLYQ-c
[09:39] <popey> or b5
[09:39] <knightwise> yep :) Fantastic episode zmoylan-pi
[09:39] <popey> mate of mine used to
[09:39] <knightwise> popey: you have a lot to learn :)
[09:40] <zmoylan-pi> you hear of geeks who haven't seen trek... but they're so rare... :-P
[09:40] <popey> :)
[09:40] <popey> well, once i plough through stv and tng i will do tge others
[09:40] <popey> netflix ftw
[09:41] <knightwise> VOY is like OITNB in space. Everyone is stuck and Kate Mulgrew is running the show. :)
[09:42] <zmoylan-pi> voyager is lame till the borg show up
[09:42] <knightwise> zmoylan-pi: i wanna flip that statement around
[09:42] <zmoylan-pi> then she goes all ellen ripley on the queen
[09:42] <knightwise> Voy is cool UNTILL the borg shows up
[09:43] <davmor2> popey: hahahahahahahahaha
[09:44] <knightwise> popey: agreed
[09:44] <knightwise> my wife is currently rewatching BH90210
[09:44] <knightwise> some of the tech they use there is hilarious
[09:44] <popey> oitnb is ace
[09:44] <davmor2> knightwise: you poor poor man
[09:45] <popey> love mulgrew in it
[09:45] <popey> got 2 eps left to watch
[09:45] <knightwise> davmor2: i watched a couple of episodes with here. ITs not THAT bad actually. I prefer stuff like that to the gore-blood-violence stuff like 'daredevil'
[09:45] <knightwise> popey: indeed. Kate is awe-some
[10:05] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Monday, and happy Cheer Up The Lonely Day! 😃
[10:16] <davmor2> JamesTait: this one sprung straight to mind https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt2mbGP6vFI
[10:43] <JamesTait> davmor2, that takes me back to secondary school, and an assembly my maths teacher gave.  Obviously had an impact if it's stuck with me this long.
[10:44] <davmor2> JamesTait: you're welcome :)
[11:11] <foobarry> does anyone here use okconfig with nagios?
[11:57] <davmor2> oh this is nice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuGuSzt5u3c
[11:58] <DJones> Will  whoever ordered rain for the middle of summer please withdraw from any politcal candidacy aspirations. Thank you.
[12:00]  * davmor2 reads the Mail, DJones apparently it's all the fault of the immigrants that the EU sent and it wouldn't of happen if Diana was alive 
[12:01] <zmoylan-pi> in ireland it is merely warm winter with normal dampness
[12:01] <DJones> davmor2: Yeah, she'd have an umbrella that covered the country to save us
[12:02] <DJones> Ah well, forecast is for no rain for the next 10 days, hedges might get a haircut
[12:02] <davmor2> DJones: http://dailypicksandflicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/In-the-Bible-it-rained-for-40-days-they-called-it-a-disaster.-In-England-we-call-it-summer..jpg
[12:02] <Myrtti> DJones: shush, I like rain. Or overcast. Better than over 22C temp.
[12:02] <Myrtti> 22C is golden, anything above that is torture
[12:03] <zmoylan-pi> but soon we'll have rain _AND_ over 22c temp so raincoats just get wet from inside out...
[12:03] <diplo> Nooooooo!!!!!! Myrtti
[12:03] <davmor2> Myrtti: I think people on the rack might disagree with you :)
[12:03] <DJones> Myrtti: I like cold or dry heat, not this junk we've got now, humidity  wrecks me
[12:03] <Myrtti> agree with the humidity being a pain
[12:03] <diplo> Same as DJones
[12:03] <davmor2> pfff it's only 81% humidity wusses
[12:03] <DJones> I loved going to Singapore years back, but 100% humidity at 30C waa horrible
[12:04] <Myrtti> I just sleep so poorly nowadays, I'm rolling in sweat in the bed. Got two hours of sleep last night
[12:04] <Myrtti> it's not good, folks
[12:04] <zmoylan-pi> my usual 4 hours of sleep with fan pushing a nice breeze in bedroom
[12:04] <diplo> Window open with a fan works for me too
[12:05] <davmor2> Myrtti: get a ceiling fan or a dyson jobby or an aircon unit
[12:05] <DJones> Myrtti: +1
[12:06] <zmoylan-pi> a dyson fan?! did she win the lottery?
[12:06] <Myrtti> davmor2: mmh, I was tempted earlier in the summer but it's too late now, we've got other stuff to attend to. Can't really keep the windows open all the time for his fear of spiders. Although he's getting better at tolerating them
[12:06] <davmor2> Myrtti: never too late in the uk
[12:07] <Myrtti> oh being in UK has nothing to do with it, it's more about us and our priorities in purchases and the economics of it all
[12:07] <DJones> Myrtti: I wake up around 4:30, with severe sweating, waiting for more hospital tests on my heart, thats even with a ceiling fan
[12:07] <davmor2> September is normally the muggiest month
[12:07] <Myrtti> DJones: 2:50 last night, stayed awake until 0630ish and napped until 8
[12:09] <DJones> Myrtti: Thats a lot like me, wake up early hours, on and off napping four hours after about 2 hours being wide awake
[12:09] <Myrtti> zmoylan-pi: if you have to have Dyson, there's always http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/dyson_outlet/
[12:10] <Myrtti> anyway, since my Amazon delivery vigil is now over, I can go for that nap I so sorely need
[15:06] <awilkins> Dyson 4tw
[15:07] <awilkins> My GF has a Henry
[15:07] <awilkins> We are moving in together. Henry is not coming.
[15:07] <Seeker`> :(
[15:07] <Seeker`> Poor Henry
[15:07] <awilkins> i) He doesn't suck very well. ii) Whenever you clean with him, he makes the room smell of feet
[15:08] <Oli> + bags
[15:08] <awilkins> Yes.
[15:08] <awilkins> Everyone heard the news about who's gonna be PM? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10616420/frown.png
[15:09] <Oli> I wish Dyson would buy them and make a 4KW professional bagless wheelie-Dyson. Their current line of "Animal" products fail quite hard when you have a golden retriever.
[15:11] <davmor2> awilkins: henry and gtech are both better options than dyson we discovered :(
[15:11] <Oli> Or, buy them (numatic) and iRobot (of Roomba fame) and build a house-super-cleaning Dalek
[15:29] <diddledan> we got a new pm?
[15:29] <foobarry> is it the matron stormtrooper from force awakens?
[15:29] <diddledan> oh
[15:29] <diddledan> we have
[15:30] <diddledan> andrea pulled-out?
[15:31] <diddledan> theresa reminds me of maggie
[15:32] <evilchristel> i cannot help but fear that when she's done with us we'll think of maggie as the kind, considerate grannie that we wish we still had
[15:34] <foobarry> http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Harriet_Jones
[15:36] <diddledan> foobarry: does she look tired to you?
[15:36] <foobarry> also...captain phasma
[20:03] <diddledan> so this is a thing: http://www.boycottdocker.org/
[20:03] <diddledan> it's very random and ranty and I can't make any sense out of it at all
[20:03] <Myrtti> btw Brian Cox just started in BBC1
[20:54] <marshmn> diddledan: I think that's been around for some time?
[20:54] <diddledan> aye
[20:55] <marshmn> diddledan: personally, I find Docker to be an incredibly helpful piece of the modern web development stack
[20:55] <marshmn> maybe there are improvements to be made, rival technologies to thrive - but at least for now, Docker has changed the world quite a bit
[20:58] <diddledan> what annoys me is there seem to be two camps for webdevs: docker and vagrant. (of those that use a separate env for their work)
[20:59] <diddledan> so I'm finding that there are some tools which want each
[20:59] <diddledan> vagrant is really annoying in that it requires a VM
[20:59] <marshmn> sure
[20:59] <diddledan> or at least most people's implementation of vagrantfiles require such
[21:00] <marshmn> I used to use Vagrant
[21:00] <diddledan> vagrant _can_ back onto docker but people don't add that support to their vagrantfile
[21:00] <marshmn> but these days I only use Docker really
[21:00] <diddledan> that's my main gripe about: https://github.com/Varying-Vagrant-Vagrants/VVV
[21:01] <diddledan> it's a WordPress environment
[21:02] <marshmn> when I used Vagrant, it was pretty much as the basis for a dev environment only
[21:02] <diddledan> e.g. if I'm in Windows I can't install a VMM because I wanna use Hyper-v for other stuff
[21:03] <marshmn> with Docker, I have something that I feel comfortable using in dev, staging & production
[21:03] <marshmn> and it's so much lighter weight
[21:03] <marshmn> I just don't find the need for Vagrant anymore
[21:03] <marshmn> not that I've got anything massively against Vagrant
[21:03] <marshmn> I just don't find a need for it
[21:04] <marshmn> YMMV
[21:04] <diddledan> the guys behind vagrant have a new thingy: https://www.ottoproject.io/
[21:06] <marshmn> might be interesting
[21:06] <diddledan> I get the impression that otto project is kinda like "vagrant doesn't quite work right. let's not fix it and do something completely different instead."
[21:06] <marshmn> hehe
[21:06] <diddledan> i.e. throw ouot the baby with the bathwater
[21:06] <marshmn> quite possibly :)
[21:17] <daftykins> \o
[21:21] <diddledan> o/
[21:29] <daftykins> diddledan: any further arrivals? :)
[21:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[21:30] <daftykins> evenin'
[21:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi daftykins but anyone actusally from UK about :D ?
[21:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> since my question is for
[21:31] <diddledan> nope, still waiting
[21:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> diddledan, where are you from?
[21:32] <daftykins> well that's not very nice :P
[21:32] <diddledan> I love you, still, daftykins
[21:32]  * daftykins hugs diddledan 
[21:32] <diddledan> <o/
[21:32] <diddledan> err
[21:32] <diddledan> \o/
[21:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, Theresa May as prime minster won't effect you much
[21:32] <diddledan> silly keymap
[21:32] <SebthreeBQM10HD> daftykins, if at all
[21:32] <daftykins> oh lawd you're not gonna bring up politics are you ;D
[21:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well that's todays news
[21:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Theresa May will be prime minster probably by Wednesday evening
[21:33] <diddledan> \o/
[21:33] <diddledan> that's better
[21:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what does people think of that?
[21:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> here
[21:33] <diddledan> I think:
[21:33] <diddledan> .politics
[21:33] <diddledan> !politics
[21:33] <diddledan> that one ^
[21:33] <daftykins> >:D
[21:34] <diddledan> muahahaha
[21:35] <daftykins> the reg told me she shares a name with some kind of adult entertainer
[21:35] <diddledan> hah
[21:35] <diddledan> the reg would know of such things ;-)
[21:35] <daftykins> apparently said entertainer features in The Prodigy's "Smack My B**** Up" music video
[22:59] <diddledan> well bother me: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/07/someone-just-installed-unity-windows
[23:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> diddledan, that's old news like two days now
[23:00] <diddledan> sorry I breathed
[23:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> diddledan, also using the Windows 10  and Ubuntu thing etc, someone had already installed XFCE even