[01:02] <daftykins> http://s2.b3ta.com/host/creative/13/1467833078/grouchhousehunt.jpg
[01:54] <diddledan> cancelled my amazon memory order - was gonna take another week to arrive, so I've moved my custom to ebuyer - coming wednesday
[02:09] <diddledan> kk, I'm gonna set winupdate running and go bed
[02:09] <diddledan> nn
[06:20] <SebthreeBQM10HD> morning
[06:32] <knightwise> morning peeps
[06:56] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:05] <MooDoo> morning
[07:10] <knightwise> hey pavlushka stryx`_
[07:10] <knightwise> hey MooDoo
[07:10] <pavlushka> Hello knightwise
[07:10] <pavlushka> knightwise: I am here daywise, :p
[07:12] <pavlushka> sorry, knight is actually represent warrior, my bad knightwise
[07:13] <pavlushka> knightwise: changed mt status to guardwise, :p
[08:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:18] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Tuesday, and happy Pecan Pie Day! 😃
[08:21] <davmor2> JamesTait: just call me hillbilly joe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntM9LJj3QK8
[08:21] <foobarry> lenovo N22 chromebook £99 on amazon prime day
[08:24] <knightwise> thats pretty cheap
[09:30] <knightwise> listening to the very first DSC podcast http://hotcoffee.org/na_page/Podcasts/DSCPodcasts.aspx
[10:02] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: lenovo, comes with backdoor unlocked and a large neon sign reading "Free stuffs here"
[10:02] <foobarry> even chromebooks?
[10:03] <TwistedLucidity> Their consumer-grade were always wrose. Lost all trust in the company to be honest.
[10:04] <knightwise> TwistedLucidity: Lenovo .. our laptops have been bending over and picking up the cybersoap in the dirty bathrooms of the internet for the longest time :)
[10:04] <zmoylan-pi> teaches you how to secure your devices
[10:04] <TwistedLucidity> Kinda tricky with the baked-in Intel backdoors
[10:05] <zmoylan-pi> well even lenovo can't help that
[10:05] <TwistedLucidity> Although is (supposedly) only in the enterprise-y kit
[10:05] <zmoylan-pi> that's why you do your secure computing on an 8bit computer :-)
[10:06] <zmoylan-pi> alan cox is making a modern os for z80 chips... :-)
[10:15] <bashrc> is z80 still used anywhere? embedded systems?
[10:16] <zmoylan-pi> they haven't stopped production since the 80s aiui so someone is using them
[11:14] <awilkins> I think 68000 chips were the go-to CPU for washing machines for a long time. Maybe still.
[12:16] <DJones> Thankfully live sport on tv, 13:07              <   io_____!uid4598@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oryupzhvcmycpibb [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] >  13:07 DJones (+i) 3:freenode/#ubuntu (+CLcfjnt) Act: 1,2,4,6,7,8,9,10,
[12:16] <DJones> What
[12:17] <DJones> Get pedaling, go Froome
[12:48] <BigRedS> Morning all! Is there an obvious choice for something raspberry pi-like but with two ethernet sockets?
[12:49] <BigRedS> I'm after something cheap, not-very-powerful but able to run enough linux to filter packets
[12:50] <davmor2> BigRedS: bannan pi router maybe
[12:53] <BigRedS> davmor2: ooh, hadn't come across these banana variants, ta!
[12:54] <davmor2> BigRedS: you're welcome
[14:21] <diddledan> I wonder what the NAT performance of that banana router is
[14:21] <davmor2> diddledan: King Cole status at least
[14:22] <davmor2> diddledan: no idea in reality but it had multiple ethernet ports which was the only specification requested :)
[14:23] <diddledan> lol
[14:26] <diddledan> doesn't say much at all on https://linux-sunxi.org/Lamobo_R1#Network_performance
[14:31] <diddledan> someone asks for details at http://bananapi.com/index.php/forum/news/306-lamobo-r1-network-interface-issues but gets none
[14:34] <diddledan> someone suggests wan<->lan of about 350Mbit/s
[14:35] <diddledan> pretty decent
[14:35] <diddledan> that's at http://bananapi.com/index.php/forum/general/1920-slow-routing-speed?start=6#4089
[14:47] <diddledan> graham cluless alert: https://www.grahamcluley.com/2016/07/snapchat-lawsuit/ <-- I think a teenage boy is more likely to seek these out than file a lawsuit
[14:50] <DJones> To be honest, I can understand that lawsuit, at least 50% of the adverts I get served by websites, I'd consider offensive or against my own moral beliefs
[14:50] <diddledan> you're not a teenager though :-p
[14:50] <DJones> 95% of twitter add's I end up blocking and reporting as offensive
[14:50] <diddledan> teenagers are a weird bunch
[14:50] <DJones> Maybe not, but probably more open minded now then as a teenager
[14:50] <diddledan> I know, I used to be one :-D
[14:51] <diddledan> true
[14:51] <DJones> No kidding :)
[14:51] <diddledan> I know what you mean though, I find some stuff offensive too
[14:52] <DJones> Facebook keeps asking me to like a racist organisation even though the only people I know that have ever "liked" posts have been blocked
[14:53] <diddledan> sounds like they're trying to reinvent microsoft's clippy: "it looks like you're a racist. would you like to join the kkk?"
[14:54] <diddledan> I wonder how they figured you'd want to "like" it in the first place?
[15:00] <DJones> No idea, every time I see it, I report it as racist
[15:01] <foobarry> DJones: that stuff keeps coming up
[15:01] <foobarry> seems broken
[15:01] <foobarry> seen filthy and also unpleasant racist stuff but fb keeps forgetting
[15:01] <foobarry> maybe until i said it was libellous about me
[15:01] <foobarry> brexit has broken fb
[15:02] <davmor2> diddledan: by the sound of it he's got his head screwed on if he gets money from it :D
[15:02] <diddledan> lol
[15:03] <foobarry> been doing serious battle with nagios this week
[15:03] <foobarry> and puppet
[15:03] <diddledan> ouch
[15:03] <davmor2> foobarry: let me guess nagios won
[15:04] <foobarry> even wrose, it was with okconfig
[15:04] <foobarry> for generating configs
[15:04] <foobarry> its messy but brilliant
[15:04] <foobarry> main issue is lack of docs
[15:04] <foobarry> also pynag...awesome
[15:23] <diddledan> daftykins: my memory is in the post
[15:24] <diddledan> arriving tomorrow
[15:27] <diddledan> but grr, it's coming via yodel
[15:34] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[16:03] <davmor2> SebthreeBQM10HD: hi
[16:05] <diddledan> you know I think we need more Dave II. davmor2, if you will
[16:06] <diddledan> or is it 2.0?
[16:06] <diddledan> I wonder what versioning system skynet will use?
[16:07] <davmor2> diddledan: I follow Suse's 6.3 guide to nicks first 3 letters of your firstname and surname and a number davmor1 was in use at the time so I went with davmor2 it just stuck then :)
[16:08] <diddledan> lol
[16:08] <diddledan> mine would be danlle then
[16:09] <davmor2> danlle1
[16:09] <davmor2> you forgot the number
[16:09] <diddledan> I'm unsure how that would be pronounced: maybe dan lee or dannal
[16:10] <davmor2> diddledan: dan thle
[16:10] <diddledan> well if you wanna go welsh then all bets are off :-p
[16:13] <SebthreeBQM10HD> davmor2, hi
[17:10] <diddledan> oh dear :-( https://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/status/752180861718650881
[17:43] <knightwise> hmm
[17:43] <knightwise> i must be doing SOMETHING wrong here :)
[17:44] <knightwise> My 1604 xps wont connect to ANY bluetooth device
[17:44] <knightwise> not to a mouse, not to an external speaker , Notin
[17:58] <diddledan> knightwise: it's a feature
[17:58] <diddledan> :-p
[17:59] <diddledan> ooh, mr robot is soon
[18:01]  * diddledan watches dark matter s02e02
[18:08] <knightwise> Dark matter!
[18:10] <knightwise> thanx ! i dint know that was out
[18:12] <knightwise> diddledan: have you had trouble with bluetooth too ?
[18:12] <diddledan> I haven't tried
[18:14] <diddledan> the android is an intriguing character
[18:14] <diddledan> she's alive yet also bound. perfect yet also broken
[18:14] <davmor2> knightwise: I just connected it to a speaker no issues
[18:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[18:44] <diddledan> ho boy this sounds big: https://www.drupal.org/node/2764899
[19:09] <daftykins> diddledan: heh you have one seriously split up PC order!
[19:09] <diddledan> :-p
[19:10] <diddledan> my order for memory accidentally ended-up getting this tacked-on. I have little idea how that happened: http://www.ebuyer.com/725816-samsung-950-pro-256gb-m-2-ssd-mz-v5p256bw
[19:11] <daftykins> ah har
[19:11] <daftykins> you must have a Guern bugging you
[19:15] <diddledan> damn those guerns
[19:16] <diddledan> I made sure to find an SSD that was true pcie/nvme and a x4-lane variant for the most throughput
[19:16] <diddledan> plus samsung have good rep in my view for ssds
[19:17] <diddledan> it's somewhat annoying that you still see listings for SATA-based m.2 ssds
[19:17] <daftykins> *nod* good warranty
[19:18] <diddledan> https://twitter.com/MrsStephenFry/status/752945040574582784
[19:20] <daftykins> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-guernsey-36775543
[19:20] <daftykins> and so the stupidity begins
[19:22] <daftykins> or rather, a year ago :D
[19:27] <daftykins> diddledan: good news is there's no special hassle to go to to install, too
[19:27] <diddledan> \o/
[19:28]  * diddledan been itching to try-out this rig. can't wait until tomorrow now! :-)
[19:29] <daftykins> are you chucking out some old AMD gear and throwing it all in the same case?
[19:29] <diddledan> yup
[19:29] <daftykins> hope your PSU is haswell+ certified!
[19:30] <diddledan> o_O
[19:30] <diddledan> I haven't checked
[19:30] <diddledan> it's a corsair cx600 according to the sticker
[19:30]  * diddledan googles
[19:31] <daftykins> ah that sounds pretty recent then
[19:32] <diddledan> alternatively I can put a jeantech jnp-700-ac12 in
[19:32] <diddledan> err a12c
[19:33] <daftykins> heh never heard that brand!
[19:33] <davmor2> daftykins: they only come in denim blue and black
[19:33] <diddledan> it's on the floor there ---v
[19:34] <daftykins> :D
[19:34] <daftykins> stonewashed PSUs
[19:35] <daftykins> i wish 10's existence hadn't gimped Windows Update for 7 so much, it's been sat checking for 2.5hrs now on a 7 box of mine
[19:36] <daftykins> you could argue there's quite some load from everywhere checking at 6pm BST though (earliest they release)
[19:36] <diddledan> o_O
[19:36] <diddledan> patch tuesday?
[19:36] <daftykins> yip!
[19:36] <daftykins> updates come out at west coast time 9am i make it
[19:37] <zmoylan-pi> but didn't everyone switch to win10 leaving the windows 7 update servers empty? :-P
[19:38] <daftykins> nope you're forgetting the tinfoil hat wearers
[19:38] <DJones> Does anybody still use 7?
[19:38] <zmoylan-pi> maybe the win 7 update servers are updating to win10 right now? :-)
[19:38] <daftykins> why wouldn't they still use 7...
[19:38] <diddledan> the sky just exploded
[19:39] <DJones> If you're a tinfoil hat user, you'd you'd still be udingxp
[19:39] <DJones> using xp
[19:39] <zmoylan-pi> windows 3.0 :-)
[19:39] <daftykins> not even tinfoil hat wearers are enough of idiots to run an EOL OS
[19:39] <diddledan> hah. you're kidding, right, daftykins ?
[19:40] <daftykins> ;)
[19:40] <diddledan> "I don't care about patches. they make my system less secure"
[19:40] <daftykins> depends on your flavour of tinfoil hat luser i guess, i saw plenty running EOL ubuntu in #ubuntu trying to patch manually
[19:40] <DJones> I know people still using Windows ME.......Doh
[19:40] <diddledan> wha?!
[19:41] <diddledan> I wasn't aware anyone had ever used Me
[19:41] <daftykins> i had a graphics teacher in secondary school that told me he 'upgraded' to it, i skipped it entirely myself
[19:41] <daftykins> DJones: old codgers or something?
[19:42] <DJones> I had it preinstalled before I installed slackwareas my first linux  install
[19:42] <diddledan> wow. trial by fire that
[19:42] <diddledan> thrown-in at the deep-end
[19:42] <DJones> daftykins: Nope, Church computers, never updated
[19:42] <diddledan> and other euphemisms
[19:43] <daftykins> ah, what do they even use 'em for o0
[19:43] <daftykins> typing up the signs etc?
[19:43] <diddledan> I didn't really understand linux until I did several years with Gentoo as my system
[19:43] <DJones> daftykins: powerpoint.... thats it...
[19:43] <DJones> I think powerpoint 2003
[19:44] <diddledan> nothing quite beats wiping your system and following the gentoo install handbook in a console web browser
[19:45] <diddledan> you either get a working system eventually or you flake-out and return to windows
[19:45] <daftykins> ah 2003 was a great office, ~350MB full install - then 2007 bloated it all up to 1.2GB ish for no benefit
[19:45] <diddledan> and obviously the return to windows was kinda like admitting that you suck at life when you've decided to give linux a go
[19:46] <daftykins> that's what limited my branching out when younger, being without my music because of being too newb to have a stab at mounting an NTFS volume - and having dialup still so not having the benefit of an always on connection
[19:46] <DJones> I have a soft spot for slackware, my first linux install
[19:46] <DJones> think it was around slackware 10
[19:47] <zmoylan-pi> i think a lot of linux users had a first stab at linux before going back to familiar oses
[19:47] <daftykins> when ADSL first launched here ~ 2003 or 2004 most folks had the 'stingray' alcatel speedtouch ADSL transceiver so sharing that wasn't too easy either
[19:47] <diddledan> I think the first system I spent a reasonable amount of time with was suse and then gentoo
[19:47] <daftykins> quite envious of youngsters now, they can install anything and (mostly) have working wifi and always on broadband to make use of :)
[19:47] <zmoylan-pi> red hat 5.2 from floppies
[19:47] <diddledan> daftykins: I had one of those stingrays
[19:47] <daftykins> :D
[19:47] <diddledan> I've still got it around here in a box
[19:47] <DJones> Must have taken me a week before I moved to Ubuntu for convieniance
[19:48] <daftykins> ah i turfed it out a bit ago, we're mostly VDSL2 now so it's useless
[19:48] <diddledan> aye. I need to have a throw-out I think
[19:48] <diddledan> I've got some ancient junk here
[19:49] <daftykins> :)
[19:49] <diddledan> Pentium2 Compaq Proliants come to mind
[19:49] <DJones> There was no point reopiling the kenal just because I farted
[19:49] <daftykins> i had the benefit of the move to England for Uni to cut down, then i cut down again on the move back
[19:49] <diddledan> they're in my "server cupboard" sitting cold
[19:50] <diddledan> noisy blubbers those
[19:50] <daftykins> for a while i ran that thing on a PII or PIII as an ipcop router, then later smoothwall
[19:50] <daftykins> smoothwall 2.0 broke support though :(
[19:50] <diddledan> ipcop \o/
[19:50] <diddledan> I moved from smoothy to ipcop when smoothy went commercial
[19:50] <daftykins> o rry
[19:51] <daftykins> so it stopped being free?
[19:51] <diddledan> they had a "community" edition
[19:51] <daftykins> one of their employees actually came to my departments' project day at Portsmouth Uni
[19:51] <zmoylan-pi> i still have a battery powered 9600baud fax modem here somewhere...
[19:51] <daftykins> he said they were over in Southampton and ran umm, Xen for virt of their testing
[19:51] <diddledan> "smoothwall express" according to their site
[19:51] <daftykins> i'd done my dissertation on Xen
[19:52] <zmoylan-pi> though i did draw the line a fewe years back and got rid of the full lenght awe32 sound blaster card
[19:53] <diddledan> wow, it seems smoothwall might be dead now - last release of express was 2014 and before that 2007
[19:53] <diddledan> http://www.smoothwall.org/releases/
[19:53] <zmoylan-pi> or it's next one will be 2021...
[20:12] <daftykins> pfsense has probably firmly ousted it
[20:19] <daftykins> ah, updates galore... just got the July one for my Nexus 5 phone too!
[20:22] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[20:59] <ali1234> popey: does ubuntu phone have anything like the android daydreams?
[21:00] <popey> wossat?
[21:01] <popey> googled and no
[21:02] <popey> neat idea
[21:02] <ali1234> it's like a screensaver basically
[21:02] <ali1234> shows when docked/charging
[21:02] <ali1234> usually they do stuff like show rss feeds
[21:03] <daftykins> think it used to do gallery pic slideshows too?
[21:03] <daftykins> might be thinking of something else
[21:03] <ali1234> yep that's another one
[21:03] <ali1234> like live wallpapers, you can install different ones from the store
[21:04] <popey> certainly possible
[21:06] <zmoylan-pi> strange person that i am i want devices not to use screen when charging... we had an imate jasjar winmobile device that insisted on turning screen on when trickle charging making the charge take 20+ hours... :-/
[21:08] <diddledan> hmm, my system is being wonky
[21:09] <diddledan> can't load pages in browser but already loaded ones like this irccloud tab work fine still
[21:09] <diddledan> also explorer won't open
[21:10] <diddledan> task manager won't open
[21:11] <daftykins> can you run eventvwr and go to windows -> system ?
[21:12] <daftykins> (windows logs)
[21:13] <daftykins> could be all those insider builds catching up on you otherwise
[21:14] <daftykins> 3 weeks 'til the anniversary release of 10 \o/
[21:16] <zmoylan-pi> you shall bake a cake with an ubuntu usb drive in it?
[21:17] <diddledan> had to hit the reset button
[21:17] <daftykins> D:
[21:19] <daftykins> i had that with my new desktop recently, i had to make some registry edits to enable AHCI drive power control options to be visible in power config, then changed the drives (for my secondary drives) to use DIPM instead of HIPM (device vs. host initiated power management)
[21:19] <daftykins> felt like a Linux tweak it was so tedious ;)
[21:21] <diddledan> yeah it seemed to be unable to do anything that required IO
[21:26] <daftykins> sounds a lot like what i had yep, kinda soft lock where only the cursor moved?
[21:26] <diddledan> aye
[21:26] <daftykins> i had a tonne of iastor events in that section of event viewer anyways
[21:26] <diddledan> for a period I could get start menu but eventually even that refused
[21:27] <daftykins> if you open it and leave it open you might be able to check later
[21:27] <daftykins> (if you see it again)
[21:27] <daftykins> it's funny though, i was using my new PC for ages before that issue cropped up - then i could repeat it easily within 30 mins, so found how to solve it
[22:11] <diddledan> my parcel is at wednesbury in the west-midlands
[22:12] <daftykins> o0
[22:13] <daftykins> i'm looking at flights for a trip to the US in September
[22:13] <diddledan> ooh
[22:13] <daftykins> including 3 domestic flights to nip around and visit folk!
[22:13] <daftykins> all that only comes to £1,200 - quite a surprise
[22:17] <zmoylan-pi> with free prostate exam thrown in
[22:18] <daftykins> yay!
[22:19] <diddledan> I love Linus: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/11/linus_torvalds_in_sweary_rant_about_punctuation_in_kernel_comments/?mt=1468358181361
[22:23] <daftykins> oh dear
[22:29] <zmoylan-pi> some one should send him a top posted email... :-P
[23:31] <diddledan> I miss playing with my Wily.
[23:31] <diddledan> it's a shame Ubuntu has such a rapid release cadence at times.
[23:32] <diddledan> at least Bash on Ubuntu on Windows is Trusty. I'd hate not to be able to rely on Microsoft :-p
[23:33] <m0nkey_> That is a terrible pun, especially for you.
[23:33] <diddledan> surely you expect these from me by now?
[23:36] <daftykins> :D
[23:39] <m0nkey_> I do, and don't call me Shirley.
[23:40] <diddledan> mr robot starts soon
[23:40] <daftykins> \o/
[23:40] <daftykins> not gonna make the mistake of watching as it airs though, no sir-ee
[23:41] <daftykins> (not that i did for s1 either)
[23:41] <diddledan> lol
[23:41] <daftykins> s'all about that binge enablement!