[04:35] <andrewlsd> Mornings all. 
[04:35]  * andrewlsd goes back to lurking
[04:36]  * andrewlsd will be at Amazon AWS day in C.T. today, in case anyone else will be there too
[05:57] <thatgraemeguy> moo
[06:40] <inetpro> .
[06:58] <chesedo> morning andrewlsd thatgraemeguy inetpro and others
[07:03] <inetpro> ohi chesedo
[07:03] <inetpro> and hi to everyone else also
[07:04] <inetpro> chesedo: why did you keep oom Kilos up so late last night?
[07:28] <chesedo> inetpro: idk, thought it would only take 5 mins :D
[08:25] <Kilos> afternoon everyone, our power just came on
[08:25] <Kilos> sigh
[08:26] <thatgraemeguy> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/hardware/171513-samsung-4tb-ssd-launched-with-a-big-price-tag.html :-o
[08:27] <Kilos> ouch
[10:09] <chesedo> afternoon Kilos, we were starting to think you needed extra sleep with me keeping you up late
[10:09] <chesedo> :P
[10:10] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:10] <Kilos> hi chesedo 
[10:10] <Kilos> not lekker to wake to no power
[14:33] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:57] <magespawn> good day all
[14:58] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[15:41] <magespawn> hey Kilos late support tonight
[15:41] <Kilos> oh my
[15:41] <Kilos> in this cold
[15:41] <Kilos> hope you have aircons that work for heat as well
[15:54] <Kilos> inetpro ping
[16:04] <magespawn> yes we do, office is also fairly warm anyway
[16:07] <Kilos> yay
[16:07] <magespawn> i usually do not feel the cold too much
[16:10] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:12] <magespawn> beenie on and i am good
[16:13] <Kilos> haha
[16:47] <Langjan> Hi guys, hoesit Kilos ?
[16:51] <Kilos> hi Langjan 
[16:51] <magespawn> hi Langjan 
[16:51] <Kilos> im waiting for pro to answer a ping then i will notify the rest of them
[16:51] <Langjan> hi Kilos and magespawn 
[16:52] <Kilos> he took so long last night i forgot what i wanted to tell him
[16:52] <Kilos> hi nsnzero 
[16:52] <nlsthzn> o/
[16:52] <Langjan> Kilos, we have a talk on alzies here tomorrow- join us
[16:53] <Kilos> where?
[16:53] <Langjan> Warmbad
[16:53] <Kilos> eish
[16:53] <Langjan> Bela-Bela
[16:53] <Kilos> ill join if you chat on irc
[16:53] <Langjan> ok
[16:54] <Kilos> lol
[16:54] <Langjan> I have an inherited prob
[16:54] <Kilos> what
[16:54] <Langjan> pal with Win install, his hard drive has packed up, apparently they told him its glazed, whatever that menas
[16:54] <Langjan> desktop
[16:55] <Kilos> haha
[16:55] <Kilos> put itin your desktop and run testdisk
[16:55] <Kilos> most likely virus killed
[16:56] <Langjan> ok will do, connect parralel to existing hard drive?
[16:56] <Kilos> is it ide or sata
[16:56] <Langjan> let me have a peek
[16:57] <Kilos> what does it do when you try boot it
[17:00] <Langjan> I have not tried to boot, he says its dead, have now removed drive, its 80GB how do I tell if its ide or sata?
[17:00] <Kilos> the size of the connecting cable
[17:01] <Kilos> ide is the wide ribbon cable
[17:01] <Langjan> small
[17:01] <Kilos> then its sata
[17:02] <Langjan> ok must I connect it parallel to my hd in desktop?
[17:02] <Langjan> or try to boot it?
[17:02] <Kilos> there should be seperate sata connectors
[17:03] <Kilos> try boot it first
[17:03] <Kilos> if it spins up there is hope
[17:03] <Langjan> so disconnect my hd and try booting on this one?
[17:04] <Kilos> you can do that as well
[17:04] <Langjan> ok and if it spins, what next?
[17:04] <Kilos> then you will bypass the chance of faulty psu
[17:04] <Kilos> lol wait
[17:04] <Kilos> put it in your pc as a second drive
[17:05] <Kilos> then use yours to analise it
[17:05] <Kilos> see if bios sees it as well
[17:05] <Langjan> ok, can I connect while its running or better to shut down?
[17:05] <Kilos> no shutdown
[17:06] <Kilos> only usb's you plug in live
[17:06] <Langjan> ok will get back to you a bit later
[17:06] <Kilos> good luck
[17:06] <Langjan> thks
[17:14] <andrewlsd> Langjan if drive is really "glazed" it is a hardware fault and the drive is likely 
[17:15] <Kilos> howdoes one tell if a drive is glazed
[17:16] <andrewlsd> absolutely no idea, other than plug it in and test it. (a live USB may be needed to be able to boot the computer if no spare SATA cables are available)
[17:16] <Kilos> oh yes i forgot he has an oldish pc
[17:44] <nsnzero> good evening 
[18:04] <Langjan> Hi Kilos sorry for delay, had dinner meanwhile
[18:04] <Kilos> np
[18:04] <Langjan> Can see the drive and everything on it
[18:04] <Kilos> ok run sudo update-grub
[18:04] <Langjan> So perhaps I must backup all the docs and pics first?
[18:05] <Kilos> have you got place on your ssd?
[18:05] <Langjan> Yes, or on my external drive?
[18:05] <Langjan> Plenty place on both
[18:06] <Kilos> how big is your ssd
[18:06] <andrewlsd> Langjan: I thought it was a drive from a Windows PC? (In which case, GRUB won't help)
[18:06] <Langjan> 120 Gb
[18:06] <Langjan> Correct andrewlsd 
[18:06] <magespawn> chat later home time
[18:06] <Kilos> update-grub will give you the choice to boot into the win drive
[18:07] <Kilos> go safe magespawn 
[18:07] <andrewlsd> although [sneeky grin] installing Ubuntu onto that drive might not be a bad idea....
[18:08] <Langjan> Yes but I tried it on him before, he went straight to the comp shop and let them install windoze again
[18:08] <Kilos> lol
[18:08] <Kilos> just save documents and settings
[18:08] <Langjan> ok
[18:08] <andrewlsd> aah, well, mebbe he should have taken the drive there too, and let them charge him for their time to resolve his issue.
[18:08] <Kilos> i think that has everything
[18:09] <Langjan> Its been to them, they told him its US
[18:09] <andrewlsd> lol
[18:09] <andrewlsd> they sound US_less
[18:10] <andrewlsd> (useless)
[18:10] <andrewlsd> night all, will try to connect in the morning.
[18:10] <Kilos> night andrewlsd 
[18:10] <Langjan> night andrewlsd 
[18:10] <Langjan> slaap lekker
[18:14] <Langjan> OK Kilos I have done update-grub, now try to boot on win 7?
[18:14] <Kilos> reboot and chose win at the bottom
[18:15] <Kilos> in the grub menu
[18:15] <Langjan> ok
[18:23] <Langjan> Hi Kilos that drive is working, test shows 17 bad sectors and 83% health
[18:24] <Kilos> you could have trouble booting into win because it is in another pc. but if it gives error report then it will most likely work in its own pc if the psu and ram are ok
[18:24] <Kilos> ok
[18:24] <Kilos> open my computer
[18:25] <Langjan> No it booted fine into win 7 
[18:25] <Kilos> right click on c drive and choose properties
[18:25] <Kilos> the choose check now
[18:26] <Kilos> tick the top block and on reboot chkdsk should run a scan disk thing and mark bad errors
[18:26] <Langjan> You have lost me totally now
[18:26] <Kilos> haha
[18:26] <Langjan> Must I boot on Win 7 again?
[18:26] <Kilos> boot it in windows
[18:27] <Kilos> then open my computer
[18:27] <Kilos> then right click c drive and choose properties
[18:27] <Kilos> in properties there is an option to check the drive
[18:28] <Langjan> Well its already checked and the report was 83% healthy with 17 bad sectors
[18:29] <Kilos> oh it did a self test when booting
[18:29] <Langjan> yes
[18:29] <Kilos> ok then put it back in his pc
[18:29] <Langjan> perhaps motherboard prob?
[18:29] <Kilos> you will see when its there
[18:30] <Langjan> ok
[18:30] <Langjan> Can I disconnect it while my machine is running?
[18:30] <Kilos> first time i hear a drive is glazed
[18:30] <Langjan> lmga
[18:30] <Kilos> yes 
[18:31] <Langjan> I also thought it was quite funny but perhaps something to learn...
[18:31] <Kilos> when its working tll him to take it back and tell them he just wipred the glazing off
[18:39] <Langjan> Its booted and everything seems normal 
[18:39] <Langjan> lmga!
[18:39] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:39] <Langjan> wiped the glazing with fine grit water paper
[18:39] <Kilos> did they cgarge him to tell him the drive is glazed
[18:40] <Langjan> They wanted to sell a new machine
[18:40] <Langjan> yes of course
[18:40] <Kilos> yes its all about money
[18:40] <Kilos> tell him you see
[18:40] <Kilos> learn by your mistakes
[18:40] <Kilos> and find another pc shop
[18:41] <Kilos> also tell him to do chkdsk weekly
[18:42] <Kilos> bad sectors have a habit of becoming more
[18:43] <Langjan> Unfortunately only one pc shop in bela-bela but I think there is somebody working from home
[18:43] <Langjan> same shop made Linda buy a new lappie, nothing wring with old one, I scored it in the end and still using it
[18:43] <Kilos> if you start charging then you will get more business
[18:44] <Langjan> lmga
[18:44] <Kilos> tell the local newspaper what crooks they are
[18:44] <Langjan> and will worry you more
[18:44] <Kilos> old saying
[18:44] <Kilos> a fool and his money are soon parted
[18:45] <Langjan> prob is over-80's, no fool just technologically retarded
[18:45] <Kilos> nono
[18:45] <Kilos> you put ubuntu on there
[18:46] <Kilos> he went back to windows and got icing on his drive to help empty his money pocket
[18:46] <nsnzero> lol , never too old to learn 
[18:47] <Langjan> yip agreed
[18:47] <Langjan> lmga
[18:47] <Kilos> you people should sue that shop
[18:47] <Kilos> evil guys like that need to be chased out of business
[18:47] <Langjan> They said they will sell the old lappie for her, when we went to collect it 6 months later they had stolen the ram
[18:48] <Kilos> see
[18:48] <Kilos> sue them
[18:48] <Langjan> when she confronted them in my presence, they gave it back
[18:48] <Kilos> lappy ram is expensive
[18:48] <Langjan> sweet sue
[18:49] <Kilos> vn der merwes
[18:49] <Langjan> I'll do some defrags etc and take it back to Johan
[18:49] <Kilos> ok
[18:49] <Kilos> i will sleep now i think
[18:49] <Kilos> too cold
[18:49] <Langjan> Thks for the moral support 
[18:50] <Kilos> anytime
[18:50] <Langjan> slaap lekker Kilos 
[18:50] <Kilos> dankie Langjan jy ook
[18:50] <Langjan> dankie
[18:51] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:56] <nsnzero> Kilos : night
[21:16] <pavlushka> night ZA!