[09:40] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
 Very quiet here today
[13:49]  * mamarley starts up a jackhammer.
[13:49] <mamarley> HOW ABOUT NOW?
[13:50]  * yofel takes an axe and cuts the air pipe
[13:50] <yofel> better
[13:51] <acheronuk> it WAS!
[13:55] <acheronuk> have been trying to fix a few blocking builds on KCI
 Did you fix kladp?
[13:58] <acheronuk> partially. need to work out where to put some missing files
 I seen it go green
[13:59] <acheronuk> kservice was also a failure blocking other builds
 There are a few fw5.24 need fixing
[14:03] <acheronuk> clivejo: yes, and a lot of those were waiting on kio-dev, which should build if I can get the other ones I just did to finish
[14:07] <acheronuk> but LP is sloooooow
[16:17] <acheronuk> Hmm.. not healthy on KCI "make: *** Cannot allocate memory.  Stop."
[17:20] <jimarvan> hellloooooooooooooooooz lovely peeps! :D
[19:43] <pursuivant> muon (master) v5.6.0-2-g108a7bb * Carlo Vanini: src/PackageModel/PackageDelegate.cpp
[19:43] <pursuivant> Remove use of deprecated class QStyleOptionViewItemV4.
[19:43] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/muon/108a7bbbe3bc067d0c133110cf3842da11ed1c3a
[19:48] <jimarvan> hmm :D
[19:48] <jimarvan> hope that does not break anything xD
[19:49] <clivejo> nice to see someone working on it!
[19:49] <jimarvan> muon is the only "reliable" GUI software packaging, since discover does have its issues...
[19:49] <jimarvan> ye :D
[20:20] <mparillo> Yesterday I tested the YY ISO, and I confirmed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-framework/+bug/1560404 is fixed. Two questions: First, does everybody still have "missing" favorites? Second, FF behaves properly on my HP, but gives me a black screen on my T61. Any ideas?
[20:22] <sicks_tablet> Yofel thanks for sharing my email, I get the hang of that.
[20:30] <genii> Is there some package for plasmoid development in 16.04 which is the equivalent of plasma-scriptengine-python in 14.04? Have a user enquiring in #kubuntu but i figure someone here might know
[20:32] <valorie> plasmate
[20:32] <valorie> !info plasmate
[20:32] <valorie> perhaps not ported yet?
[20:33] <genii> !info plasmate xenial
[20:33] <valorie> huh, not even in the list http://developer.kde.org/~cfeck/portingstatus.html
[20:35] <valorie> https://terietor.wordpress.com/2014/06/24/porting-plasmate-to-kdevplatform/
[20:35] <valorie> seems it might now be just folding into Kdevelop
[20:35] <valorie> which seems smart to me
[20:35] <valorie> !info kdevelop
[20:35] <valorie> hmm
[20:36] <valorie> there is a ported version people are using though
[20:36] <valorie> that blog post is from 2014!
[20:46] <sicks_tablet> Ovidiu: Ping whts the status ith kdevelop and plasmoid support ?
[20:48] <acheronuk> valorie: thanks for saying you would sponsor me for a kde bouncer :)
[20:50] <valorie> you are most welcome, acheronuk
[20:50] <valorie> you are doing good work!
[20:50] <valorie> if only LP could keep up with us!
[20:51] <acheronuk> valorie: Quick Q then. Do I need to apply for a full dev account? i.e. https://identity.kde.org/index.php?r=developerApplication
[20:51] <acheronuk> or just do a ticket via kde syadmin on https://go.kde.org/u/systickets
[20:52] <acheronuk> I already have a normal non-dev identity account
[20:53] <valorie> try just doing the ticket and mention it is for staying current on KDE packaging for Kubuntu
[20:53] <valorie> if they want you to do full devel, that's fine too
[20:54] <acheronuk> Ok. thanks. I'll do that in the next few, and see where I get with it.
[20:54] <valorie> then you can contribute patches upstream more easily
[20:54] <acheronuk> *few days
[20:54] <acheronuk> valorie: thanks again
[20:55] <valorie> I'll watch my email
[20:55] <valorie> :-)
[20:57] <clivejo> anyone working on FW5.24?
[20:58] <valorie> the topic says it's in staging?
[20:58] <clivejo> yes
[20:58] <jimarvan> :)
[20:58] <clivejo> few issues need fixing - http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/frameworks/build_status_5.24.0_yakkety.html
[20:59] <valorie> plasma-framework looks broken
[20:59] <clivejo> what gave it away?
[20:59] <clivejo> the big red box ?!? :P
[21:01] <acheronuk> clivejo: I fixed khtml and kross earlier. then got waylayed 
[21:01] <clivejo> dont worry, I got it
[21:02] <clivejo> oups
[21:02] <clivejo> waylayed, not wayland!
[21:02] <acheronuk> waylaid? not sure. lol
[21:02] <jimarvan> hahahaha
[21:03] <jimarvan> get a room xD
[21:03] <acheronuk> I got sidetracked. distracted.....
[21:04] <jimarvan> hmm
[21:04] <jimarvan> I am looking at the log
[21:07] <jimarvan> I do not see any failures... o.O
[21:08] <valorie> lots of warnings about deprecated plasma stuff though
[21:08] <jimarvan> true
[21:09] <jimarvan> but it still built successfully no?
[21:09] <valorie> from like 41% on
[21:09] <valorie> over and over
[21:09] <jimarvan> true
[21:11] <valorie> but yes, I see no errors as such, and successful build reported
[21:11] <valorie> so why is it red
[21:11] <valorie> ?
[21:11] <jimarvan> exactly... :S
[21:12] <valorie> Status: successful
[21:12] <jimarvan> I think it had so many warnings, it blushed
[21:12] <valorie> lol
[21:12] <jimarvan> :D
[21:12] <acheronuk> is this plasma-framework?
[21:12] <jimarvan> yeap
[21:12] <jimarvan> ooooh
[21:12] <jimarvan> there are two
[21:12] <jimarvan> one red, one orange
[21:12] <jimarvan> with the same name exactly
[21:13] <jimarvan> so amd64 didn't build
[21:13] <acheronuk> click the /show/hide link
[21:13] <jimarvan> and i386 did?
[21:13] <jimarvan> thanks acheronuk :))
[21:13] <clivejo> it built, but there were errors
[21:14] <jimarvan> o.O?
[21:14] <jimarvan>    /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/3/lintian.mk:20: recipe for target 'lintian' failed
[21:15] <clivejo> lintian complains a lot
[21:15] <jimarvan> hmm
[21:16] <clivejo> but in this case the following lines are the issue
[21:16] <clivejo> [21:16] <clivejo> -./usr/share/man/ca/man1/plasmapkg2.1
[21:16] <clivejo> -./usr/share/man/de/man1/plasmapkg2.1
[21:16] <clivejo> -./usr/share/man/it/man1/plasmapkg2.1
[21:16] <clivejo> -./usr/share/man/nl/man1/plasmapkg2.1
[21:16] <clivejo> -./usr/share/man/pt_BR/man1/plasmapkg2.1
[21:16] <clivejo> -./usr/share/man/sv/man1/plasmapkg2.1
[21:16] <clivejo> -./usr/share/man/uk/man1/plasmapkg2.1
[21:16] <clivejo> [21:16] <jimarvan> ye saw them
[21:16] <jimarvan> these are localized files
[21:16] <acheronuk> & + _ZN13KPluginTrader23createInstanceFromQueryIN6Plasma16PackageStructureEEEPT_RK7QStringS7_S7_P7QObjectP7QWidgetRK5QListI8QVariantEPS5_@Base 5.24.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa1
[21:16] <jimarvan> even the uk version
[21:17] <clivejo> so they need to be installed or not installed
[21:17] <acheronuk> uk=ukranian I think
[21:17] <jimarvan> ah ye gb
[21:17] <jimarvan> right!
[21:17] <jimarvan> so you could exclude them for now
[21:17] <jimarvan> and optionally install when they are available?
[21:18] <acheronuk> they are available. they were built but the packaging doesn't know what to do with them
[21:19] <jimarvan> ye...
[21:19] <jimarvan> Debian revisions should be stripped from versions in symbols files. Not doing so leads to dependencies unsatisfiable by backports (1.0-1~bpo << 1.0-1 while 1.0-1~bpo >= 1.0). If the debian revision can't be stripped because the symbol really appeared between two specific Debian revisions, you should postfix the version with a single "~" (example: 1.0-3~ if the symbol appeared in 1.0-3).
[21:19] <jimarvan> This problem normally means that the symbols were added automatically by dpkg-gensymbols. dpkg-gensymbols uses the full version number for the dependency associated to any new symbol that it detects. The maintainer must update the debian/<package>.symbols file by adding the new symbols with the corresponding upstream version.
[21:19] <jimarvan> is this the case?
[21:19] <clivejo> acheronuk: that looks like someone has kept the debian version when doing a debian merge
[21:22] <clivejo> maybe not, cant find it in symbols file
[21:23] <jimarvan> hmm :/
[21:23] <acheronuk> it's new I think, but can't quite see responsible commit on kde git
[21:25] <clivejo> symbols-file-contains-current-version-with-debian-revision
[21:26] <acheronuk> oh, yes, forgetting that part
[21:38] <ahoneybun> and I have internet again!
[21:38] <jimarvan> gz! :D
[21:38] <ahoneybun> been 2/3 days
[21:38] <ahoneybun> been lazy to call
[21:39] <valorie> o/
[21:39] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[21:39] <valorie> did you change providers?
[21:39] <ahoneybun> no
[21:39] <ahoneybun> we were using a rented router
[21:39] <ahoneybun> just used one we had in the house
[21:41] <valorie> we did that for awhile
[21:41] <valorie> until I got sick of their crap and bought my own
[21:42] <ahoneybun> I;ve had no problems till 2 days ago
[21:44] <acheronuk> valorie: ticket filed with kde sysadmin :)
[21:44] <acheronuk> jimarvan: the symbols thing does my head in at times
[21:44] <valorie> \o/
[21:45] <acheronuk> jimarvan: Neon did a fix for the manpages the other day in their git: http://packaging.neon.kde.org/cgit/frameworks/plasma-framework.git/commit/?h=Neon/release&id=8072f8df2cb3f46f4cdc3327899e7c75c11d16ac
[22:00] <jimarvan> hmm
[22:00] <jimarvan> oh i see
[22:00] <jimarvan> they fixed all the locals
[22:00] <jimarvan> can we use that somehow?
[22:01] <jimarvan> +usr/share/man/*/man1/plasmapkg2.1
[22:02] <valorie> imo we have to figure it out, because Debian made a big change in manpages a few months back and eventually everything will be moved to the new system
[22:04] <acheronuk> I fixed package kross earlier in a similar manner https://git.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kross/log/?h=kubuntu_yakkety_archive 
[22:07] <valorie> imo it would be cool if we could figure out a way to do that programatically
[22:07] <valorie> one-offs are a lot of work for y'all
[22:09] <jimarvan> valorie, is it a system change in debian regarding all locales?
[22:10] <valorie> um
[22:10] <jimarvan> If so, it is worth to check it out, since I use a multi-language system myself, Greek, GB, US, Italian and Russian
[22:10] <valorie> gosh that email was a few months back, let me see if I can find the relevant BR or so
[22:10] <jimarvan> ok
[22:11] <acheronuk> KDE devs are also gradually moving some manpages to frameworks
[22:11] <acheronuk> e.g. see https://todo.kde.org/?controller=task&action=show&task_id=520
[22:12] <jimarvan> damn do not have access there
[22:12] <jimarvan> have to remember my username -.-
[22:13] <valorie> jimarvan: that uses your KDE identity
[22:13] <valorie> if you don't remember, please ask in #kde-sysadmin
[22:13] <jimarvan> no worries
[22:16] <valorie> wow, my google-fu is failing me
[22:19] <valorie> probably because I don't know much packaging, beyond reading the policy manual
[22:23] <acheronuk> sometimes that just make me more confused!
[22:26] <valorie> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html#manpage seems to be current
[22:26] <valorie> doesn't say much about the changes though
[22:26] <clivejo> the debian manual sure does have a certain reading style
[22:26] <valorie> seems like it was the KDE-packagers list
[22:26] <valorie> right, perfect for falling asleep with
[22:26] <clivejo> makes my eyes glaze over
[22:27] <valorie> I put it on my kindle for night-time reading
[22:27] <valorie> did the trick; slept like a top!
[22:43] <jimarvan> good night peeps talk to you tomorrow :)
[22:44] <jimarvan> my eyes are closing xD
[22:44] <yofel> jimarvan, clivejo: that lintian warning about the symbol is aobut the final, generated file. So please read this as: "these symbols are new and have a debian version because they don't another one set in the packaged symbol file"
[22:44] <yofel> *don't have
[22:45] <jimarvan> ok