[00:07] <pepee> nice, KDE disabled the mouse buttons in my system
[00:07] <modibaba> Greetings. Anyone interested in giving a few tips for first timer @ fixing broken plasma desktop?
[00:08] <modibaba> Will provide tips on homebrewing as a reward, lol
[00:09] <YankDownUnder> modibaba: you can install the "backports" => fixes most of the Plasma issues, upgrades Plasma to 5.6.4 : http://kubuntu.org/news/plasma-5-6-4-available-in-16-04-backports/
[00:09] <modibaba> Oh and, am using 15.10
[00:10] <YankDownUnder> modibaba: Transient version, probably best to upgrade to 16.04 (Long Term Support) - and then install the "backports" PPA...but that's all a matter of choice...
[00:11] <YankDownUnder> modibaba: "Broken plasma" - what's broken?
[00:11] <modibaba> Had some problems installing 16.04 so i settled down with 15.10
[00:11] <YankDownUnder> modibaba: Fair enough.
[00:11] <modibaba> Let me fill you in, if you don't mind a small wall of text
[00:13] <YankDownUnder> modibaba: For 15.10 => http://www.kubuntu.org/tag/ppa-release/
[00:16] <modibaba> I was fiddling with wine and some old games (from gog) and ran this 'choose renderer' type of exe, which i believe was included in some of the game packages (installed few in row) and since then i've been unable to log in. Log in manager(?) shows up nicely, but when i (try to) log in, the screen goes off, so i'm losing the signal for some reason. t
[00:16] <modibaba> ty's work nicely. glxinfo says couldn't open display (null), at least when i'm not logged in. The umm.. xorg log? says couldn't find fb0 so frame buffer is screwed and also it warns me about glamoregl not having a dedicated path for something.. i'm using nvidia card so it wouldn't even work and is also disabled in config so i guess that doesn't mat
[00:16] <modibaba> ter
[00:16] <YankDownUnder> modibaba: One of the things I've found - especially in dealing with plasma issues, is to clean out the ~./cache of crap, and in some instance, remove dirs related to plasma from ~./config and ~./local/share => a bit of a pain to recreate my desktop preferences, but that's what's fixed things in the past.
[00:16] <modibaba> Today tried adding a new user and here i am.
[00:18] <modibaba> So i guess my one big question is, how to lose as little of my pretty desktop configuration as possible
[00:18] <YankDownUnder> modibaba: So then KDE/Plasma are wanting to use different screen res/rendering...so the best would be to to through the ~./config and ~/.local of the user that's hosed up...you'll end lup having to recreate your prefs...
[00:19] <modibaba> Aww.. well, i guess it's worth of keeping the installed apps usable as they are
[00:20] <YankDownUnder> modibaba: The beauty of the situation is that you can create new users and move your data from your old "user" to the new "user"...it's always a great option...
[00:21] <modibaba> YankDownUnder: True.. do you have any ideas what to look for IF i'm going to go thru the config files?
[00:22] <YankDownUnder> modibaba: I prefer to do things from the terminal...so, in the ~/.config and the ~./local/share I look for anything to do with the plasma desktop and widgets - and I don't touch anytihng to do with the applications...as you browse those directories you'll see what I mean.
[00:22] <pepee> my guess is that I accidentally typed some shortcut that disables the buttons... can someone help me find which setting it this?
[00:22] <YankDownUnder> pepee: Have you tried to unplug the mouse, wait a few seconds, and then plug it in again?
[00:23] <pepee> (mouse buttons are disabled, guess KDE did it)
[00:23] <pepee> YankDownUnder, I have both a touchpad and a mouse, connecting/disconnecting them doesn't help
[00:24] <YankDownUnder> pepee: You've gone into the "System Settings" and double-checked/re-checked the mouse settings I presume?
[00:24] <pepee> yes. the weird thing is, I search for "botones del ratón" (mouse buttons) but I can't find the menu for that
[00:25] <YankDownUnder> KDE Menu => Applications => Settings => System Settings
[00:26] <pepee> I mean, I search in system settings
[00:26] <modibaba> YankDownUnder: Allrite, so i'll just go thru them with nano then.. I have a hunch the exe somehow managed to switch the preferred renderer into Glide mode and that's why i get the black screen, but that's just a thought
[00:26] <pepee> btw, alt+f2 sys<enter> is faster than that, YankDownUnder :P
[00:26] <YankDownUnder> modibaba: WINE would force KDE/Plasma to use a different rendering, yeah...
[00:28] <modibaba> I guess uninstalling wine wouldn't help? oh btw, the failsafe login also fails (oh the irony) but in a different way. It just won't let me log in, throws me right back
[00:28] <YankDownUnder> modibaba: Don't have to chuck out WINE...
[00:29] <pepee> can someone search for "mouse buttons" in the system settings for me, and tell me *where* to find that string, please?
[00:29] <YankDownUnder> modibaba: Something worth trying - in your ~./config there is a file called "monitors.xml" - you could rename that, then try to login to that account again...see if that does anything - that's the monitor definition file for the desktop...
[00:30] <modibaba> YankDownUnder: if i remember right, htop didn't show any processes related to WINE, so hmm.. Ah, ok! sounds logical, that'll be the first thing l'll try
[00:31] <YankDownUnder> modibaba: It's linux. If it breaks, it can be fixed...in one way shape or form or another...
[00:33] <modibaba> YankDownUnder: i hear ye. I guess one could say i fell in love with kde/plasma right away.. I've used debian/xfce back in early 2000 and didn't quite enjoy it as a gamer back then.. Used a knoppix livecd with lxde(i think) and it haunted me for some time until the windows 10 happened. Then i decided it was the time for me to pack my files and move
[00:33] <modibaba> on to linux for good
[00:34] <modibaba> YankDownUnder: no real problems whatsoever till this situation
[00:36] <YankDownUnder> modibaba: I'm thankful that, for me, I was never really a gamer. Therefore, using OS's that were/are not "MS" has been an easy dig for me. I used to prefer ancient things...like Openlook, or CDE...then WindowMaker and AfterStep...eventually Gnome...and even Enlightenment...however, in the course of time, Plasma has evolved enough to be workable/usable...
[00:37] <pepee> can someone search for "mouse buttons" in the system settings, and tell me *where* to find that phrase, please?
[00:38] <YankDownUnder> pepee: Input Devices => Mouse
[00:38] <pepee> YankDownUnder, under what tab?
[00:39] <YankDownUnder> pepee: "Input devices" => "Mouse Controls"
[00:40] <pepee> I see 3 tabs: general, advanced and mouse navigation (or something like that)
[00:40] <modibaba> YankDownUnder: I see, pretty much easier to be satisfied in an OS if you don't need any of the game related stuffs :)
[00:40] <pepee> my settings are in spanish, so I don't see how these are translated...
[00:41] <pepee> I just can't see "mouse buttons" anywhere
[00:41] <modibaba> YankDownUnder: Any case, as i promised, are there any homebrewing related questions you'd like to ask?
[00:41] <YankDownUnder> modibaba: In years, I've come to just use what works the best, the fastest with the least amount of "BS" as it were. My "personal" machine is OSX, my playtoys are linux (oh, and servers are linux...)
[00:43] <YankDownUnder> pepee: Um...now I'm not sure as to what you're asking. My Espanol is very limited.
[00:43] <pepee> YankDownUnder, literally "mouse buttons"
[00:43] <pepee> I don't see that phrase anywhere
[00:44] <pepee> search tells me it's in "input devices", I open that menu, go to "Mouse", and there is no "mouse buttons" in none of the tabs: general, advanced, mouse navigation
[00:45] <YankDownUnder> pepee: In the first tab, you can just make a choice, click apply, then put it back to how it was, click apply - that should - SHOULD reset the mouse configuration...however, I'm rather lost on  the whole bit with losing the use of your mouse buttons...
[00:45] <YankDownUnder> Right-handed + Left-handed => that would be the easiest - choose one, click apply, then change it back, click apply.
[00:45] <daw__> I deleted my rhythmbox play queue accidentally. How do I get it back?
[00:45] <pepee> yeah, I changed that already, many times
[00:46] <pepee> the other day, kde disabled my mouse pointer, it now disabled my buttons... wth?
[00:47] <modibaba> pepee: maybe you should uninstall cat? if it consumes your mouse...
[00:47] <pepee> lol
[00:48] <pepee> cat cat > /dev/null
[00:48] <pepee> modibaba, would that work?
[00:49] <modibaba> pepee: i don't know really, but it sure sounds like something could happen. I'm not much of a power user yet, so.. better not to take my advices too seriously ;)
[00:50] <YankDownUnder> pepee: Something to dig through: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingMouseDetection
[00:52] <pepee> YankDownUnder, I already tried xev, it literally doesn't detect clicks
[00:53] <YankDownUnder> pepee: That kinda leaves me without any further ideas since you've apparently covered all the bases...and I'll assume you've dug through the Kubuntu and KDE wiki's, right?
[00:53] <pepee> yeah, at least gave it a quick read... nothing
[00:54] <pepee> my guess is, there is a setting under "input devices" -> "mouse" that for some reason is hidden
[00:55] <YankDownUnder> pepee: In a terminal: dpkg-reconfigure mouse
[00:56] <YankDownUnder> pepee: You'd have to logout/login again aftwards - or possibly reboot.
[00:56] <pepee> ... found the solution: had to kill chromium-browser
[00:56] <pepee> wth
[00:57] <modibaba> Maybe there was some embedded object that hoarded the focus?
[00:57] <pepee> yeah, apparently chrome froze and for some reason I couldn't click other windows
[00:57] <pepee> I hadn't notice chrome froze :/
[00:57] <YankDownUnder> Chrome and Chromium have been known to muck about with the mouse/touchpad/graphics tablet - along with the keyboard - especially wireless keyboards...
[00:58] <pepee> this is like funny, stupid and interesting
[00:58] <YankDownUnder> BTW, this also happens in OSX...hmm...
[00:58] <pepee> looks like chrome is not really trustable
[00:59] <modibaba> for netflix, there is chrome. For everything else, firefox.
[00:59] <YankDownUnder> What's funnier is that it's not UNcommon - it's very common - and it's been happening for quite a long time (more than a year) - and it's still not fully resolved. Really rather annoying on my OSX machines...as the question of stabiliity strictly falls on Google...
[00:59]  * YankDownUnder hugs Firefox
[00:59] <pepee> really, really weird bug
[00:59] <YankDownUnder> Unfortunately, I have to use both.
[00:59] <YankDownUnder> "Solar Flares"...must be.
[00:59] <pepee> yeah, I do use firefox, with noscript
[01:00] <modibaba> Haha, has to be!
[01:00] <pepee> could be some high energy particle crashing in my RAM modules :P
[01:00] <pepee> I've found bugs, but this..
[01:01] <YankDownUnder> Blame the LHC.
[01:01] <modibaba> You guys remember how to connect to some second network on irssi, into a new window/'tab'?
[01:02] <modibaba> I'll bring my main client here as well
[01:02] <pepee> and I was blaming KDE, heh
[01:02] <YankDownUnder> modibaba: I used to. Nowadays, nah. Can't remember. Can't be buggered to Google for it, neither. Lacking coffee.
[01:02] <pepee> modibaba, I've only used irssi a few times, sorry
[01:03] <modibaba> Allrite, go go google powers
[01:03] <YankDownUnder> pepee: It's always good to blame KDE for something. Anything.
[01:08] <pepee> and as if that wasn't enough, I got disconnected. nice
[01:11] <YankDownUnder> pepee: Could be worse.
[01:11] <pepee> true
[01:12] <YankDownUnder> Es verdad.
[01:44] <modifier> YankDownUnder: still here?
[01:45] <modifier> YankDownUnder: cannot seem to find the monitors.xml file from .config ...
[01:46] <YankDownUnder> modifier: It would be "~./config/monitors.xml"
[01:46] <modifier> Yes.
[01:47] <modifier> home/user/.config/monitors.xml, right?
[01:47] <YankDownUnder> modifier: Just rename that file. Then try logging into that account.
[01:47] <YankDownUnder> modifier: Si.
[01:47] <modifier> There's none.
[01:50] <pepee> find ~/.config/ -name monitors.xml
[01:53] <YankDownUnder> modifier: Try this: look in ~./local/share/kscreen => delete what is in there => login to the hosed account
[01:59] <modifier> Holy crap, victory!
[01:59]  * modifier bows down
[01:59] <modifier> So there was just an old session stuck or something?
[02:01] <YankDownUnder> modifier: WINE forced a change in your "monitors"...you've blown out those configs and that's that. Hmm...
[02:02] <modifier> YankDownUnder: Yeah but didn't find monitors.xml from my alt users directories with sudo find either
[02:03] <YankDownUnder> modifier: Then that's probably a residual on MY system...from one of the many window managers I play with...either which, it's old info, now you have new info...and a resolution to the issue you had.
[02:03] <modifier> Which i'm thankful of.
[02:04] <YankDownUnder> Saves you from sacrificing a goat at midnight.
[02:04] <modifier> Indeed. Being low on goats already..
[02:04] <YankDownUnder> There you have it. Good show.
[02:04] <modifier> And only managed to muddle up my keyboard layout
[02:04] <modifier> or input.
[02:05] <modifier> Scandinavian characters messed up a bit after i installed alot of xfonts because all the warnings in my log
[02:06] <YankDownUnder> modifier: Hmm...so purchasing a $200 super high end gaming keyboard and mouse isn't going to fix the situation... :)
[02:07] <modifier> YankDownUnder: using my sister's old curved ms kb, since all my keytronics are faulty in a way or another.
[02:08] <YankDownUnder> modifier: Ooooo...yech...sorry about that....(Used to love those, but now prefer the Apple aluminium flat keyboards)
[02:09] <modifier> YankDownUnder: Heh, i understand. What i'd really like is a 'mechanical' keyboard with some noisy cherry switches..
[02:09] <YankDownUnder> There's an ancient IBM 101 key out the back...it's heavy enough to knock down a pro wrestler.
[02:10] <modifier> Sounds brilliant.
[02:10] <modifier> Pun intended.
[02:12] <akik> what is monitors.xml used for?
[02:12] <modifier> If i'm experiencing messed up input like thike this: Ã¤Ã Ã¶Ã, should i be able to fix that in plasma?
[02:12] <modifier> Hmm, this is really messed up.
[02:13] <modifier> Now my input line says '#kike this' by default
[02:13] <modifier> Offensive, also funny.
[02:13] <YankDownUnder> modifier: I'd suggest, again, deleting the keyboard layouts/configurations - like do it from another account, then login and work it that way...
[02:14] <modifier> YankDownUnder: altho this problem appeard after installing bunch of fonts in terminal?
[02:15] <YankDownUnder> modifier: Strange that.
[02:15] <modifier> YankDownUnder: Mm'yes.
[02:16] <YankDownUnder> modifier: I'll assume you've double-checked your keyboard layout and also double-checked the "Fonts" in the System Settings, mm?
[02:17] <modifier> YankDownUnder: There was this console pop up asking me about configuring utf-8, which i replied "No", after which it queried if i'd want it to fix something, to which i replied "No.", because everything was fine with my input till that.
[02:18] <YankDownUnder> You can always use "dpkg" to reconfigure system wide fonts
[02:19] <modifier> YankDownUnder: and no, i haven't checked anything yet, since i just logged in after solving the previous situation, with your help.
[02:19] <modifier> YankDownUnder: that sounds mighty fine.
[02:19] <modifier> dpkg-reconfig xfonts?
[02:19] <modifier> since that was the package that introduced this.
[02:20] <YankDownUnder> It's either "sudo dpkg-reconfigure fonts" - or similar...Google is sometimes our friend... :)
[02:20] <YankDownUnder> I'm fighing/arguing with an OSX image under KVM...
[02:21] <modifier> YankDownUnder: Allrite, i'll try to survive :) Thank you for being such a great help, i'll leave this client to hang around and poke awkwardly into random conversations some time
[02:22] <modifier> And good luck with your struggle!
[02:22] <YankDownUnder> modifier: Coolbeans...remind them to beware of the aliens and Microsoft-fanbois.
[02:23] <modifier> Also the government, but yes, i'll try to remember!
[02:41] <bryndlr> please help. After an upgrade to 16.04 a few days ago, I can no longer check for updates (the update program says it was just checked 247 milli ago every time I open it), and when trying to sudo apt-get install it says
[02:41] <bryndlr> Unable to lock directory /var/cache/apt/archives/
[02:49] <Dragnslcr> !aptfix
[02:50] <Dragnslcr> That might be what you need, bryndlr
[02:56] <bryndlr> Dragnslcr: That worked. Thank yoy
[02:56] <Dragnslcr> No problem
[02:58] <bryndlr> Another question, what can I do to get rysnc to resume if it's interrupted
[03:06] <daw__> anybody got a suggestion for Google Hangouts not picking up my mic? webrtc works through the browser, and Skype works
[03:20] <brohan> How do I keep ubuntu from bringing up the login screen? I went to lockscreen, and it's not enabled
[03:30] <brohan> ANyone. I am using a livecd, and during a long operation, it goes to my login screen, which disconnect my USB drives, which I am transferring files from I can't have this happen
[03:35] <brohan> akik: Are you here by chance?
[03:36] <brohan> anyone know how to keep connected USB drives persistent when my liveusb goes to lockscreen?
[03:43] <saneace> Anyone managed to successfully get kaccounts-integration up and running (gmail, calendar, etc)?
[03:44] <saneace> Seems to work fine for talk, but unlike gnome shell, it fails as to mail, calendar, tasks, gdrive, so forth.
[03:52] <phraktyl> brohan: perhaps a power management thing?  did you try disabling that?
[03:53] <brohan> phraktyl: I tried to no avail. 2 pronged approach, disable the lockscreen (I set it to 99 minutes, but I need to go all night), or just stop having it disable the usb drives
[03:56] <phraktyl> brohan: instead of setting it to anything, do you have the option to untick it?
[03:57] <brohan> phraktyl: It wasn't ticked to begin with, but logged me out, so I ticked it and set it to at least 99 min :-)
[04:00] <phraktyl> weird, man... i've never had that issue before, and one of the first things i do (even in a live cd) is turn off screen locking.  did you check the disc for defects before running it?
[04:00] <phraktyl> long shot, i know... but...
[04:06] <brohan> phraktyl: I didn't. Everything else is fine
[04:11] <phraktyl> brohan: what about just running the copy from command line and not even logging in graphically?
[04:13] <brohan> phraktyl: Could do that :-). I am in the middle of doing the rsync now, and don't want to halt and resume it. I enabled suspend and gave it the max time of 360 min
[04:16] <phraktyl> brohan: i hear ya... set you alarm then, eh?  lol :)
[04:16] <phraktyl> *your
[04:18] <brohan> phraktyl: Done that before :-)
[05:13] <aiena> in this ls -la line "drwxrws--- 3 foo bar 4096 Jul 13 10:33 somefolder" this means user is 'foo' and the group is 'bar' its a directory and user has rwx permission on it and the group has rw permission on it. AM I correct. ALso what is the "s" there ?
[05:13] <aiena> *am * Also
[05:17] <phraktyl> yes, you are correct.  the s is the setuid bit.
[05:17] <aiena> what is the "s" there never noticed it before mostly there are 3 triplets of rwxrwxrwx where one is a -
[05:18] <aiena> phraktyl:  what does the setuid bit do
[05:18] <aiena> its not there normally in ls -la output
[05:18] <phraktyl> it's only there if it's been set.  it's one of the special permissions that can be set.
[05:18] <phraktyl> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setuid
[05:19] <aiena> chmod +s would do that I guess
[05:20] <phraktyl> ummm, i normally use the binary values for setting perms... it would be 'chmod 4755... but i would have to check on the +s
[05:20] <phraktyl> the special perms add that fourth value to the chmod cmd
[05:20] <phraktyl> fourth position, more like
[05:21] <aiena> ah now I uderstand what chod 2770 means
[05:21] <phraktyl> :)
[05:21] <aiena> it means setgid bit on and give 770 permission
[05:22] <aiena> so 4770 is setuid bit on and 770 perm
[05:22] <phraktyl> yep
[05:22] <aiena> so how do i turn them off
[05:23] <phraktyl> chmod 0770
[05:24] <aiena> ok
[05:25] <aiena> also I am just learning the other form of chmod
[05:25] <phraktyl> could also: 'sudo chmod g-s a'
[05:25] <phraktyl> sudo if you need root
[05:25] <phraktyl> you know
[05:26] <aiena> so "chmod u+r+x-w,g+r+w-x,o-r-w-x foldername" would work conrrectly to give rx to user, rw to group and no perms to others ?
[05:26] <aiena> yeah sudo or sudo su for a root shell
[05:26] <aiena> chmod would never work without it
[05:26] <aiena> nor any other admin commands
[05:27] <aiena> on suse you login directly with su but ubuntu does not allow it afaik
[05:28] <aiena> phraktyl: is the other above chmod stmt correct ?
[05:29] <hateball> aiena: sudo -i is prefered to sudo su
[05:29] <aiena> but people say sudo su and sudo -i are identical only syntactically different
[05:29] <phraktyl> aiena: chmod 660 for the above... not sure of the syntax for that method.
[05:30] <phraktyl> looks right, though
[05:30] <aiena> how is rx 6 ?
[05:30] <aiena> r=4 w = 2 x =1 right
[05:30] <phraktyl> read=1 write=2 execute=4
[05:30] <phraktyl> shit
[05:30] <aiena> oh
[05:30] <phraktyl> lol
[05:30] <aiena> really
[05:31] <aiena> is read 1
[05:31] <aiena> but then rx would be 5
[05:31] <aiena> how is rx 6
[05:31] <phraktyl> i'm backwards...
[05:32] <pepee> it's not difficult, remember the other: rwx  , then remember the numbers this way: 421
[05:32] <phraktyl> read=4 write=2 execute=1
[05:32] <pepee> rwx = 421
[05:32] <pepee> kinda stupid that read and write > execute... but whatever
[05:34] <aiena> hmm yeah its 2^2, 2^1,2^0 like binary
[05:34] <aiena> so I was stunned when he mentioned its 124
[05:35] <hateball> aiena: not quite :) http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/98531/difference-between-sudo-i-and-sudo-su
[05:36] <hateball> usually things work anyway, but...
[05:37] <aiena> thanks
[05:42] <aiena> hmm why does granting rx permission to a group on a directory lock the group members out of a directory does a directory need to be rwx ?
[05:43] <aiena> hmm ok now I am confused
[05:43] <aiena> I created one group
[05:43] <aiena> I added myself to that group
[05:44] <aiena> then I chowned a folder so that the owner and me are in the same group
[05:44] <aiena> I cannot access the folder
[05:44] <aiena> group has rwx permission
[05:45] <hateball> aiena: did you start a new shell?
[05:45] <hateball> as groups are read on login
[05:45] <aiena> hateball:  I am trying to view the folder from dolphin
[05:45] <aiena> changing perms from shell
[05:46] <hateball> right, then you'd need to restart your plasma session
[05:46] <aiena> in the past the same instance of dolhin ndid not need to be reopened to see changes
[05:46] <aiena> ok
[05:46] <hateball> aiena: it's one thing if you change perms for an existing user or group
[05:46] <aiena> hateball:   so rx permission is enough to enter a directory buty not write to it
[05:46] <hateball> but if you add a user or group you need to start a new session so it takes that into account
[05:47] <aiena> no this is for the existing logged in user
[05:47] <hateball> aiena: yes, but the group is new no?
[05:47] <hateball> or at least the membership in the group
[05:47] <aiena> ah yes the group is new
[05:48] <hateball> aiena: you can run "groups" to see
[05:48] <aiena> so relogin would do that
[05:48] <hateball> yes
[05:48] <aiena> brb to test
[05:55] <aiena> Yess that worked thanks a lot
[05:56] <aiena> never knew about the gotcha's with new users and groups
[06:45] <vinit> Hi, There is some conflict with my company's policy to install ubuntu 16.04, can anyone suggest 15.04 or 14.04 will be better to use? Thanks in advance
[06:47] <aiena> vinit:  depends on what packages you want to use
[06:47] <aiena> 14.x will have older packages and older kernel than 13.x
[06:47] <aiena> 15.x
[06:47] <aiena> sorry
[06:47] <aiena> why dont you run both in vm's and see
[06:48] <aiena> you may not be able to build newer packages on older distro's
[06:54] <vinit> lets say i want to contribute to some open source like mozilla in my free time, then which one will be better?
[07:05] <hateball> vinit: 15.04 is EOL so that's not really an option
[07:05] <hateball> 14.04 is supported for a few more years, but be aware KDE upstream no longer support KDE 4.x
[07:06] <hateball> aiena: on LTS releases, such as 14.04, you have the option of using a later kernel straight from the repo
[07:07] <hateball> So you could install for instance linux-image-generic-lts-xenial
[07:07] <aiena> hateball: I know but pther packages will be old he can use ppa's but then it can lead to dep problems
[07:07] <hateball> Yes
[07:08] <aiena> ppa's also present problems
[07:08] <aiena> compiling form source may not work because of newer deps being needed
[07:08] <aiena> so depends upon what software he wants to use not jusr kernel
[07:08] <aiena> just
[07:08] <aiena> if its a kernel issue its easily resolvable
[07:35] <aiena> vinit: hmm for mozilla try both in a vm and see if you can succeessfully build the latest mozilla with available packages otherwise use 16.04 in a vm unless you really absolutely cant even in a vm an up to date system is best if you want to develop especially as developers use newer libs
[07:35] <aiena> on windows it doesnt really matter but linux shares everything
[07:36] <aiena> you can compile libs standalone in your home dir too but that is a tedious process
[07:36] <aiena> and you need to make sure to avoid conflicts
[07:36] <aiena> probably as long as you never touch root you can manage on either os
[08:17] <hateball> aiena: firefox is updated on LTS
[08:18] <hateball> so there's no need to compile manually
[09:39] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:01] <PanV> I am trying to install Kubuntu for my father's laptop, so, because I don't have a USB drive, I partitioned the hard drive and now I have a 6 GB partition which I want to use as a Live environment for Ubuntu. But... Unetbootin won't let me touch it since the only option I have is the hard drive C and not E. Can anybody help?
[12:02] <BluesKaj> PanV,   crossposting isn't going to help you, stick to #ubuntu
[12:02] <PanV> gosh dangit
[12:02] <PanV> lol
[12:08] <faLUCE> I created a hotspot named "myhostpot" with network manager (I used the gui). I can connect clients to it, and they receive their ip address from a default dhcp server (that I don't know where is). However, I want that this hotspot assigns IP1 to MAC1, IP2 to MAC2 etc: where can I configure that?
[12:09] <ikonia> faLUCE: please stop cross posting
[12:09] <ikonia> you've posted in #ubuntu #kubuntu and #lubuntu
[12:09] <ikonia> please just ask in 1 place
[12:31] <lordievader> faLUCE: Configure your DHCP server to allocate the ip's you want.
[12:44] <SomaTalos> Hello, someone knows how to stop kde to warn me about missing flash player?
[12:45] <Smurphy> I'd like that one too ...
[12:47] <SomaTalos> There is an "elegant" solution or I need to remove the entire program that makes this kind of notifications?
[12:58] <hateball> Oh they left
[12:58] <hateball> One solution would be to install flash, I suppose
[12:59] <hateball> There is also a settings GUI one can tweak
[12:59] <hateball> For what notifications get shown
[14:23] <akik> yes
[14:24] <akik> i think it was called restricted package notifications
[14:25] <akik> or restricted codecs
[14:26] <rajiv_> how to install multimedia codecs in kubuntu 16.04 lts?
[14:27] <OerHeks> rajiv_, imstall kubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:28] <rajiv_> OerHeks: every required multimedia codecs is there in "kubuntu-restricted-extrs"?
[14:31] <OerHeks> rajiv_, no, but that is not to blame to opensource
[14:33] <OerHeks> think of Blue ray, or .mov with DRM
[14:34] <rajiv_> OerHeks: I mean ,am i able to play videos and mp3 files after installing Kubuntu-restricted-extras?
[14:34] <OerHeks> rajiv_, sure, most content will play.
[14:36] <rajiv_> OerHeks: thanks:)
[14:49] <TFrog> has anyone here had any luck getting the cantata device action working playing cd's in kubuntu 16.04?
[14:50] <rajiv_> Can i use "Gnome software" instead of "Discover" for installing softwares in kubuntu 16.04 lts?
[14:51] <TFrog> rajiv, i don't see why not.  of course you could use synaptic or just plain muon though muon has some issues with xapian right now.  synaptic works fine.
[14:56] <rajiv_> TFroh: Is synaptic works fine in kubuntu?
[14:56] <genii> Yes
[14:58] <rajiv_> TFrog: Is synaptic works fine in kubuntu?
[15:02] <yofel> rajiv_: yes
[15:02] <rajiv_> How do i install a package whose name contains one or two space between them. I mean how to write those types of package names. If i wanted to install "muon package manager", how do i write it after "apt-get install"?
[15:03] <yofel> real package names don't contain spaces, so you need to find out what the name is first. apt-cache search might help
[15:04] <yofel> (btw. for 'muon package manager', it's: muon)
[15:05] <rajiv_> yofel: thankyou:)
[15:42] <rajiv_> what are the commands to shutdown and restart the computer in kubuntu 16.04 lts?
[15:43] <genii> rajiv_: At command line, or GUI ?
[15:43] <rajiv_> genii: command line.
[15:44] <genii> sudo sync && sudo shutdown -r now
[15:45] <rajiv_> genii: this is for restart only.
[15:46] <genii> Yes, you asked "shutdown and restart the computer"
[15:46] <OerHeks> the -r pushes restart, without your system would turn off.
[15:46] <genii> I
[15:46] <genii> If you want poweroff then use -P instead of -r
[15:47] <rajiv_> so the command to restart the computer is "sudo shutdown -r now"?
[15:48] <genii> Once the computer is off you can't turn it back on by some previous command that was given. Your options are reboot with -r or -P to power off.
[15:48] <genii> rajiv_: Yes
[15:49] <rajiv_> genii; and the cmmand to shutdown is  "sudo shutdown now"?
[15:49] <genii> rajiv_: I gave the sudo sync command there to make sure there are no unwritten things to the disks before it does that
[15:49] <genii> rajiv_: sudo shutdown -P now
[15:49] <genii> Will power off
[15:50] <rajiv_> genii: yes. thank you:)
[15:50] <genii> Some people use -h for halt but that does not always actually turn the machine off
[15:52] <yossarianuk> 'sudo poweroff' works also
[15:54] <genii> poweroff and shutdown are both just symlinks to systemctl anyways. I prefer using shutdown with different switches so that the command name doesn't change, just the switch given
[16:57] <irctc112> how can i report the bug that, for me, ubuntu-bug is segfaulting in kubuntu?
[17:40] <paranoidabhi> I need to replace my laptop's hdd with sdd. How can I transfer my present kubuntu to ssd one's painlessly.
[17:56] <marco-parillo> paranoidabhi: There are hardware docking stations that allow you to have both connected simultaneously, so it is easy to clone them. But, unless you are really technical, I would prefer to simply save your real data and do a fresh install. I believe on a fresh install, your settings (like trim) will be more appropriate to an SSD. Now you certainly change those settings later (http://askubuntu.com/questions/674320/what-ssd-optim
[17:57] <marco-parillo> Sorry: http://askubuntu.com/questions/674320/what-ssd-optimization-are-needed-on-latest-ubuntu-version but (with a different distro), I found most of those hints were followed by default on a fresh install.
[17:58] <paranoidabhi> marco-parillo, thanks!
[17:59] <marco-parillo> YW. Don't do anything too fast: There are others here who have migrated to SSDs.
[18:18] <user|91736> Kubuntu an Ubuntu derivative?
[18:19] <Dragnslcr> It uses the same repositories, yes
[18:28] <akik> !flavor
[18:29] <RtMF> !kylin
[18:29] <RtMF> huh
[18:32] <dax> !kylin =~ s/a formal/an official/
[18:34] <viewer|69786> is there good information anywhere about using multiple (3 or more) monitors on a laptop with KDE
[18:34] <viewer|69786> ?
[19:07] <jmzc> hi
[19:09] <jmzc> i've just installed Kubuntu 16.04. And I'm trying to install a new plasmoid , who requires python engine to be run . But I don't find any package that contains python engine for plasmoid executing
[19:33] <daw_> anybody in the room have a suggestion on where to get help on a Google Hangouts issue? Skype and webrtc are working fine
[19:47] <nsnzero> daw_: what problem you having with hangouts ?
[19:51] <jimarvan> which kubuntu version? 15.xx?
[20:02] <daw_> nsnzero: it's not picking up the mic. I can hear people and it does video
[20:02] <daw_> proof my mic and camera work: https://soundcloud.com/floss-weekly/floss-weekly-396-koha-ils
[20:03] <daw_> jimarvan: I will have to check. I've got a couple machines. I assume I'm on 16.04, but not 100% sure
[20:05] <daw_> 16.04 it is
[20:10] <jmzc> hi
[20:11] <jmzc> how i can execute a plasmoid based on python in Kubuntu 16.04? it says that it requires a python engine but i don't find any package like python-plasmoid-engine-whatever
[20:18] <genii> jmzc: Maybe get some ideas from https://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Plasma4/Python/GettingStarted
[20:21] <jmzc> genii, thanks, but kubuntu 16.04 has got KDE 5, Plasma 5.5.5
[20:25] <genii> The same principles apply, of PyQt, etc for what sort of packages and method are required
[20:26] <jmzc> genii, that link recommends to install 	plasma-scriptengine-python, but there is any package like that in Kubuntu 16.04
[20:29] <genii> Yes, looks like that was dropped after 14.04
[20:29] <jmzc> genii, it should be in python3-pykde4
[20:30] <jmzc> or rebuild old plasmoids to new libraries
[20:30] <genii> I'm enquiring in the dev channel now, hopefully they may reply
[20:31] <jmzc> thanks !
[20:31] <jmzc> indeed I'm only searching a plasmoid to follow Twitter timeline
[20:32] <jmzc> i you know any alternative ...
[20:42] <paines> hey guys
[20:43] <jimarvan> hey :)
[20:43] <jimarvan> daw_: do you logon without password?
[20:43] <daw_> log in to what? I have a password on my account on my laptop
[20:44] <paines> I would like to sync  my google contacts with kaddressbook. Howevery I do no know how! there is only a button to add an LDAP server in the options, but nothing like google / akonadi releated which I used in the past iirc.
[20:45] <jimarvan> that is a good question :(
[20:45] <jimarvan> i had issues with that, but I think they were fixed in latest Plasma 5
[21:10] <paines> I FOUND IT !!!!
[21:11] <paines> one has to install akonadiconsole, launch it, add google contacts et volia
[21:12] <Elec_A> Hi, can I add ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports in any ubuntu based distros? I mean Xubuntu, Lubuntu and ... ?
[21:13] <Elec_A> I want to install Plasma 5.7
[21:18] <Fritigern> Elec_A: Jusrt open a terminal (emulator) and enter sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports
[21:19] <Elec_A> Fritigern: Thanks, I just wanted to make sure it won't have conflict with other parts of my Xubuntu.
[21:19] <Elec_A> I'll do that, thanks
[21:21] <Fritigern> Do make sure to do a full upgrade after adding the PPA and before installing any new packages. It may prevent odd behavior
[21:22] <Fritigern> BTW, I don;t know if 5.7 has already landed in the PPA or not. But 5.6 is definitely there.