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diddledanrelated: https://twitter.com/EverySimpsons/status/75301609578779033600:03
diddledanwow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOyfZex7B3E00:31
daftykinsmac owner :(00:41
daftykins;)00:41
diddledantime for bed00:48
daftykins\o00:48
* daftykins yawns02:36
mapppshi03:06
mapppswatching all star game daftykins ?03:06
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ballpopey: Are you asleep?03:37
mappsid guess he is03:38
mapps5am in the uk03:38
* ball nods03:39
ballThat's about when I get up usually though.03:39
ball...not that I'm /always/ on IRC when I eat my breakfast.03:39
ballWait, isn't it 3:40 am?03:40
ballAh no, 04:40.03:40
ball...03:40 GMT.03:40
mappsya03:41
mappsmaybe 2hrs or so and hell be up03:41
ballHopefully I'll be asleep then. ;-)03:42
mappsmight try installing ubuntu touch on my nexus703:43
mapps5am is early to get up03:43
ballI think my Nexus 7 is a paperweight.03:44
ballMind you, it's months since I even powered the thing up.03:44
mappshaha broken?03:45
* ball nods03:45
mappsi dont use mine atm, i use my ipad or lenovo03:45
ballI think it's the flash memory.03:45
mappsi found crome so slow on it too, so figured id try ubuntu03:45
ballI miss it though. It was a great little tablet for Android.03:45
mappsyou didn find it slow for chrome03:47
mappsi used it mainly for watching vids on train or work03:48
mappswhy don you replace the memory03:48
ballmapps: I didn't think they were repairable.03:48
ball...aren't they glued together?03:48
mappsoh03:49
mappsi thought youd be able to jus take it apart and replace03:50
mappshttps://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/108068/Changing+of+flash+memory03:51
mappsyea doesnt look easy03:51
ballI think they're supposed to be disposeable. I just can't bring myself to buy another.03:51
mappsah hat sucks i hae throwing stuff out03:51
ballIf I had the money I'd be more likely to buy a laptop.03:52
ballCan't really justify the expense though.03:52
mappsah03:56
mappsi use my lenovo everyhwhere, got a carry case for it ;]03:56
mappslenvo tablet that is03:56
ballI just bought a TS140 for the office. Not exactly portable though ;-)03:57
mappslenovo server?03:59
mappsyou dont have a laptop atm?]03:59
mappssaid youd buy one if you could...surely you have one04:00
mappsi have 2, 3 tables, 2 phones.geek ehl;]04:00
ballI don't own a laptop.04:01
ballYears ago I had a Mac DuoBook 2300c and I think before that a sort-of-Pentium that was really a 32-bit machine with most of the I/O hanging off ISA bus.04:03
ball...that was a good machine for its time.04:03
ballOh, and I had a couple of iBooks, including one that I ran Yellow Dog Linux on.04:03
mappsyou ggot a desktop?04:05
mappssurely ?04:05
ballYes, sort of. I need to buy an SSD for it.04:08
ball...or put a couple of 2.5" disks in there.04:08
mappsah04:10
mappswhat ou on now then04:10
ballA combination of my wife's Mac mini, my daughter's Ubuntu box and a BSD account in Michigan that I've had since 1997.04:12
ball...though we've changed platform on that Michigan box, from SPARC to amd64, iirc.04:13
mappsah cool04:13
mappsi cant imagine no laptop or desktop, id rather have an old p4 than nothing04:13
mappscant beieve some people ony have a phone and use that fr everything04:13
ballI have a Pentium 4 at the office. ;-)04:14
ball2.5 GHz single-core, 2G RAM, 40G disk.04:14
ball...mostly works for me, though it sucks at video.04:14
ballFortunately I don't use it for that.04:14
ballIt's mostly an RDP client.04:15
ball...and runs some network tools.04:15
mappsya04:16
mapps:)704:16
mappswhats i t run04:16
ballNetBSD/i386 7.0.104:20
ballmapps: ...or did you mean the tools?04:27
mappsi neant is ya04:28
mappsyou watch mr robot04:28
ballNo, I don't watch much television.04:31
mappsoh04:32
mapps<redcheckers> mapps: btw, do you remember the name of that ubuntu movie player people used to keep telling me to try04:39
mappsany idea what hes thinking of04:39
mapps<redcheckers> it had a K like KDE but not kde04:39
ballkdenlive?04:43
ballkvlc? :-)04:45
ballkgiveup05:02
mappsheh05:03
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MooDoomorning all06:51
corenominalmorning :)07:17
dwatkinsallo allo07:57
davmor2Morning all08:01
foobarryafter much umming and awwing I bought a metal detector yesterday08:07
MooDoomorning davmor2 foobarry08:17
davmor2foobarry: you have too much time on your hands that's your problem ;)08:17
foobarryshould have just bought it quickly you mean?08:18
davmor2MooDoo: morning me owld mucka 'ow in blazes am ya08:18
foobarryi don't like spending money on myself :S08:18
foobarryeven though it was funded purely from amazon vouchers08:18
MooDoodavmor2: feeling pretty crappy today to be honest, not sure if i'm just tired or coming down with something08:25
zmoylan-piwell, anything valuable you find belongs to the queen so it's not all spending money on yourself :-)08:25
davmor2MooDoo: :( well pull yourself together man or we'll have to start calling you a southerner ;)08:26
foobarryonly old stuf08:26
foobarrystuf less than 250 years belongs to me , and the landowner, depending on the agreement08:26
zmoylan-piand if it's found on beaches?08:28
foobarryif its "treasure" then its declared08:30
foobarryif its a gold necklace from ratners then it's yours08:30
foobarryThe Treasure Act 1996 deals with the definition of treasure, along with the payment of rewards in relation to permitted metal detecting08:30
zmoylan-pii think you dig a deeper hole for the rathers stuff :-)08:31
zmoylan-pi*ratners08:31
foobarrymight popo down to southend at my learning trip08:33
foobarryshame that detecting is so restrictied in UK08:33
foobarryin the US they don't have an history i suppose. you can detect in most parks etc08:33
zmoylan-pistops national treasures been melted down for cash08:34
foobarrymore likely they will discover a hoard for excavation08:34
foobarrywhich often happens08:34
foobarryhttp://www.culture24.org.uk/history-and-heritage/archaeology/art548868-Archaeological-dig-planned-as-metal-detectorist-discovers-untouched-Bronze-Age-burial-mound08:35
foobarryetc etc08:35
brobostigonmorning boys and girls.08:42
TwistedLucidityHeh. "The Detectorists" was a good show.08:46
* TwistedLucidity knows nothing about detectorology08:46
TwistedLucidityAttach a VR drone to the detectoriser, then you can whizz up and down the beach/field/whatever from the comfort of your own home!08:48
TwistedLucidityDo it close enough to the ground, and you could cut the grass at the same time.08:49
TwistedLucidityNew for 2017 from Flymo: Remote VR lawnmower and treasure finder.08:49
TwistedLucidity*Actual treasure is not guaranteed08:50
zmoylan-pistate of the lawn afterwards neither...08:58
JamesTaitGood morning all!  Happy Wednesday, and happy Embrace Your Geekness Day! 😃09:01
* zmoylan-pi checks to see that i'm wearing a geeky t-shirt... ancient dvd cca with source code for decrypting linux on the back...09:03
foobarrybuying a metal detector is embracing my geekness09:03
zmoylan-pi*decrypting dvds on linux09:03
JamesTaitdeCSS.png?09:04
zmoylan-pithat's the one09:04
JamesTaitKids today don't know the things we went through just so they can watch Pokemon movies on those long-haul flights.09:06
zmoylan-piit's the ones hammering on the cockpit door to get the next pokemon that will learn the hard way...09:06
TwistedLucidityfoobarry: No, repurposing the metal detector as an at-home-MRI machine is embracing your geeknees. Bonus points for doing the processing on a RasPi cluster.09:06
foobarrymy new ringtone.... do doooo do doo09:07
foobarryright09:07
JamesTaitHeheh.09:07
zmoylan-picamerons theme?09:08
JamesTaitThat reminds me - there are a load of compositions that have sprung up from that, I need to have a listen.09:08
foobarryreally cheered me up that did09:08
JamesTait"Cameron's Lament" was one, I believe.09:08
foobarrystill lauighing about it09:08
foobarrybetter than chewbaccas mum09:08
JamesTaitThe press conference had an air of Roy Hodgson about it, but the little ditty at the end rescued it.09:09
foobarryi find it funny because its the sort of thing i do, but usually the walalce and gromit theme tune09:10
JamesTaitGit, I'm going to be singing that all morning now.09:10
zmoylan-pihttp://www.avclub.com/article/internet-has-field-day-david-camerons-sad-little-r-239453 has a selection of derivative works... :-P09:10
JamesTaitzmoylan-pi, that's the one!09:11
foobarrybeen singing it for 10 years09:11
foobarryi thought the cameron tune was a happy one09:11
diddledanmorning09:20
davmor2zmoylan-pi: it's the end of the world as we know it, this is the end hold your breath and count to ten etc09:45
davmor2JamesTait: think this covers you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5yFCV-GuRE10:29
JamesTaitSO it would seem.10:31
diddledanstill waiting on my package :-(11:17
TwistedLucidityI wish my RasPi UPS would turn up 'n all.11:19
diddledanooh new pi11:19
diddledando you have plans for it?11:19
zmoylan-pihow big is a rasp pi ups? are you sure they didn't leave it under door mat? :-)11:20
TwistedLuciditydiddledan: Old Pi B+, new UPS11:20
diddledanaah11:20
diddledanUPS. I equated that to the parcel co11:20
diddledanstupid people using a name twice11:20
zmoylan-pii blame baden baden11:21
diddledanseagulls?!11:40
diddledanI'm 60 miles from the nearest sea11:40
TwistedLucidityThey scavenge off anything. Often seen around landfills11:41
zmoylan-pihow far from nearest river as some will stay near water that way11:43
diddledanthere's a canal the other side of town somewhere I think11:43
diddledanother than that about 4 miles11:43
diddledanmaybe a bit more11:44
diddledanthe test river rises near basingstoke11:44
diddledanhttps://goo.gl/maps/rMewtLf1PoS211:45
diddledanthe marker should be on roughly the source of the test11:46
diddledanthe test is the one that enters the sea at southampton11:46
diddledanbigcalm: lol11:49
diddledanI love amazon's box choices11:49
TwistedLucidityWhen does the Test river become the Release river?11:50
diddledanwhen it gets good enough grades?11:50
zmoylan-piafter it bypasses google hq?11:51
diddledanhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36780959/gta-5-pride-modification-aims-to-honour-orlando-attack-victims12:13
ballMornin'13:28
diddledanballs13:28
diddledanit's 'noon13:28
diddledan:-p13:28
balldiddledan: It's always mornin' somewhere. ;-)13:29
diddledanit's always morning in Universal Greeting Time13:29
ballIt's 08:33 here and I'm thinking of going to the garage across the road in search of a fancy coffee.13:33
diddledanfancy coffee ftw13:34
ball...looks dark and foreboding out there though. Might get struck by lightning.13:34
diddledan:-o13:34
diddledanhttps://www.thurrott.com/cloud/microsoft-consumer-services/skype/72799/microsoft-bringing-skype-linux-chromebook-chrome-web-browser13:46
diddledandownloads are at https://community.skype.com/t5/Linux/Skype-for-Linux-Alpha-and-calling-on-Chrome-amp-Chromebooks/td-p/443429913:52
TwistedLuciditySooo...only for ChromeOS? No actual *real* GNU/Linuv love? That was the big announcement we're supposed to get excited over?14:09
TwistedLucidityAh "Linux, Chromebook". OK then14:10
diddledanyou misread14:10
* TwistedLucidity gets excited14:10
TwistedLucidityActually, not really excited. Skype is just a means to an end, I only really use it to speak with my parents14:10
TwistedLucidityAnd the client I'm using now (no idea of version) does text, audio & video well enough.14:11
ballSkype is horrid in my experience. One of the few things it has going for it is that it's cross-platform.14:12
TwistedLucidityI'd rather use Jitsi, but it seems to struggle with my parents' poor internet14:12
svea____Guess what this is? https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Pln8MzJ5/irccloudcapture-521740221.jpg nsfw16:23
svea____Oops wrong place please ignore and wipe from logs16:24
czajkowskicant be wipped16:25
svea____Crud16:25
svea____Can I destroy the link it leads to by somehow wiping from irccloud?16:25
ballWas it a question about goats?16:26
czajkowskisvea____: all Ubuntu channels are automatically logged - why not remove the image16:27
svea____I wish I knew how16:28
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SebthreeBQM10HDhi17:29
davmor2Seeker`: hi18:17
davmor2meh Seeker` sorry was for Seb but he went :)18:18
mapppshi akkll18:20
ali1234http://twitchls.com/previouslyrecorded_live streaming pokemon go - this is amazing19:50
Azelphurali1234: is something amazing gonna happen?20:06
ali1234technical difficulties probably20:06
ali1234or they might get mugged20:06
Azelphurlol20:06
zmoylan-piare we betting on the horrible things that could happen to them? :-P20:07
Azelphurali1234: I've been playing it with my gf, great fun, me and her own every gym in Margate20:07
ali1234i installed it today but i didn't try actually playing it yet20:12
ali1234seems like a lot of effort20:12
daftykinswussat?20:12
ali1234poke mango20:12
zmoylan-piit's not effort it's exercise... :-)20:12
zmoylan-pigranted it's in the great outdoor which most geeks nerds have a natural aversion to... :-)20:13
zmoylan-piit would explain that i saw a lot more young folk out walking glued to their screens on car free cycle lane / foot path near here...20:39
daftykins:)20:39
daftykinssuffice to say, there'll be more blood spilled and idiots Darwin awarded before the month is through20:40
zmoylan-piit'll be like blackberry never went away... :-P20:41
zmoylan-pinow they just need to make a pac man version for the kids of the 80s :-D20:45
daftykinsdid they have a rep on their inception for driving people to self injury?20:45
zmoylan-piwhen they first appeared around dublin i must have stopped a dozen people gazing at them from stepping onto road at traffic lights without looking.  then i stopped bothering.  if they wanted to be that dumb, who was i to stop them?20:46
daftykinstoo right20:52
daftykinshttp://i.imgur.com/EwgYOSI.jpg do these caps look blown? they've peaked up in the centre (not the middle one of the 3 circled)20:57
ali1234yes20:57
daftykinsty sir20:57
daftykinsiffy reliability on this clients' old core 2 duo machine, only POSTs sometimes20:58
ali1234ATWY caps are known to be poor quality too20:58
daftykinsmmm, it is a pretty low end board20:58
daftykinsAsus P5KPL-AM SE20:59
ali1234"TK stands for Terrible Kapacitors"20:59
daftykinsstill, survived 7 years!20:59
ali1234http://www.audunmelbye.no/2012/05/17/motherboard-repair/20:59
daftykins:D21:01
tablandHi guys, just testing my nickserv21:01
daftykinsit'd be so useful if i could solder right about now21:01
daftykinstabland: #freenode is handy for that ;)21:01
tablandthanks21:01
ali1234ship it to me, i'll do it for £5021:01
ali1234including caps21:01
zmoylan-pii'm sure your local hackerspace teaches soldering daftykins21:01
daftykinshaha, i bet there's no such thing21:02
ali1234soldering is the easy part tbh. getting the old caps out without damaging the board is the hard bit21:02
Myrttiwe've got a cheapie amp that needs at least a cap replacement21:02
Myrttiat least.21:02
Myrttiit's got a hum that's super annoying, but it also makes a ticking noise21:03
daftykinsMyrtti: is that on the list of "things hubby hasn't got around to" :D21:03
zmoylan-pihttps://wiki.hackerspaces.org/List_of_Hacker_Spaces21:03
Myrttidaftykins: and research too http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R2UIUVY41HEEKU21:03
daftykinsfunky!21:04
daftykinsi'd kinda like a higher end hifi for my bedroom, the little JVC micro component system i have (still with minidisc!) sounds rubbish playing back things i know21:05
Myrttiwe had to unplug it because we kept thinking we've got a deathwatch beetle in the loft. Turns out the amp outputted a knocking sound to the JBL's on our wardrobes21:05
zmoylan-pisomeone other than sony made minidisc??21:05
Myrttidrove me nuts for months21:05
daftykinshells yeah, MD was ace \o/21:06
daftykinsi had a couple of portable players back in the day :)21:06
zmoylan-pii always wanted a minidisc at the time but couldn't justify the expense21:06
daftykinsMyrtti: i too am quite sensitive to noises, the xbox360 of mine (not that it is used much anymore) power supply emits a high pitched whine when simply plugged in - i can also hear the 2.5" laptop hard disk plugged into my xbox one spinning when the console is also off :/21:07
Myrttiyeah, it's really annoying21:07
daftykinszmoylan-pi: i probably paid £230 odd for those players back then, had a Sharp branded one also - in fact this very one! http://www.minidisc.org/images/sharp_mdmt877.jpg21:08
daftykinsi seem to have a knack for memorising model numbers21:08
zmoylan-pithen ones i was looking at used a single aa battery for a ridiculous amount of time considering what it was doing21:09
daftykinsindeed! they coped quite well with being thrown around with my cycling too, i think they had a decent chunk of DRAM as a buffer21:09
zmoylan-piin the end mp3s came along and i got a cheap cd player that read discs stuffed with mp3s21:09
zmoylan-pi10 cds worth on one cd21:10
daftykinsaaah that rings a bell21:10
daftykins:)21:10
daftykinsooh you've reminded me, i picked up the 5 CD set from the clients' which is decidedly less scratched than his first one21:10
zmoylan-piripping cds on amd-k62.  an overnight job to rip one cd...21:10
daftykinsso it's back on the ripping job for me21:10
daftykinsouch!21:10
daftykinsthat sounds more optical based than encode based o021:11
zmoylan-piit was a very slow pc with just 32mb of ram. we bought them super cheap21:11
zmoylan-pisome of the sharpest most jagged pc cases i ever had the misfortune to handle21:13
diddledandaftykins: up and running!21:14
daftykinsdiddledan: :D21:14
daftykinsdiddledan: how's she feel?21:14
diddledanI still need to copy my 'dows drive onto the superspeed ssd but it's fairly snappy as is21:14
diddledan"seems faster"21:14
daftykinsyou should just install from the anniversary media when it comes out august 2nd21:16
daftykinsso you just booted the existing install? :P there's a recipe for disaster :D21:16
diddledanI did :-p21:16
daftykinslawl21:17
diddledanI need to take half a day to route my power cables in my pc properly21:20
diddledanas is I just shoved a shedload of cable-ties at it21:20
zmoylan-pibring bandaid and tcp21:20
daftykinsheh21:21
diddledanthe main atx and cpu power I think I can hide behind the board professional-like21:21
daftykinshttps://www.dropbox.com/s/lhv5x4gx8fix535/7.jpg?dl=021:22
daftykinsi did mine nice 'n' tidy ;D21:22
* diddledan tears-up at the beauty21:22
zmoylan-pifancy21:23
daftykinsyou're too kind!21:23
daftykinsthat's the honkin' great new nvidia 1070 too21:23
zmoylan-pibonus points for resisting the urge to have blue leds or lite up cables everywhere :-)21:23
diddledan:-o21:23
diddledanno fur21:23
daftykinsyou say that but 2 weeks in i did vacuum some Mischief from the front intakes behind the door ;)21:25
daftykinshehe, yeah maybe in my youth but i don't like any of that daftness now21:26
daftykinsin fairness the mobo does have silly red LEDs that swoosh around, but it's all firmly disabled21:26
diddledanmy mobo has leds around the audio circuitry21:26
zmoylan-pired leds... bad but endurable.  blue are just annoying though21:26
diddledanorange ones!21:26
daftykinsah bless, with all this old core 2 junk i can finally upgrade my file server from 4GB RAM to 8GB21:26
diddledan\o/21:27
daftykinsor i could run it with 4GB DDR3 instead of 2, as it's one of those funky DDR2 and 3 hybrid boards!21:27
daftykinssadly only one at once, of course21:27
diddledanI'm more happy than I thought I would be about being back on an intel cpu - I wonder why that gives me warm fuzzies?21:29
diddledanintel ftw?21:29
daftykinsevil practices in the past, but things work :)21:30
zmoylan-piless evil than nvidia...21:49
daftykinsreally? but intel did all that anti competitive marketing funds stuff21:56
zmoylan-pibut linus cussed out nvidia :-)22:49
daftykinsweeeeell, Linux support is what it is :P22:50
daftykinsFOSS folk can have their underwear twisted whichever way they like, i agree it's a shame, but development time for 1 or 2% of your market? it's just business sense22:50
ali1234nvidia puts a huge amount of development into linux23:00
ali1234they just don't open source most of it23:00
ali1234in the end though, it works far better than anything else23:01
SebthreeBQM10HDhi23:04
daftykinsindeedy, nvidia'd be my choice if i ran a Loonix23:18

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