[00:02] <knoppix> test
[00:03] <knoppix> Hello
[00:03] <Jordan_U> knoppix: Welcome to #ubuntu. If you have an Ubuntu related support question, feel free to just ask it :)
[00:03] <minimec> knoppix: we read you....
[00:05] <knoppix> coool
[00:16] <knoppix> No, I don't have much questions, I'm new with Linux, and I'm trying all kind of Distos.. I'm trying Knoppix right now. and looking to dish windows, because of their forced, controlling ways to get their Windows 10 on my computer without warning.
[00:16] <knoppix> I've tried Ubuntu ... version 16 ... I think.
[00:17] <knoppix> the very latest one, tried Fedora, hum... many others.. just testing the one that fits best for my needs..
[00:18] <knoppix> ya, so that's that. Thank you all for listening.
[00:18] <setuid> DMA, crazy, the logs are roughly identical... they only differ by timestamp and bytes sent
[00:18] <setuid> so what is it that is permitting key-only auth, only when an active ssh session is presesnt on B?
[00:22] <setuid> The first ssh from B -> C doesn't even try my keys, the second one ONLY uses my keys
[00:22] <setuid> this is a clean, off-the-cd install of 14.04 server on both boxes, no files were changed or edited
[00:23] <DMA> Both? What about the third machine?
[00:23] <mutante> ssh from B -> C sounds like that's between 2 remote machines. is agent forwarding enabled?  do you ssh with -A option to B first?
[00:23] <DMA> setuid: and for the final explanation: beats me. Evidently there's something odd (a config in the user's directory? a bug?) but I don't know enough about SSH's config files, auth modules and behaviours to find a north for your research
[00:24] <setuid> Soooo weird. Nothing in either user's $HOME, I even wiped out ~/.ssh/ and re-generated keys, re-ran ssh-copy-id, still does the same
[00:25] <setuid> A -> B -> C, C prompts for auth the first ssh in, but if I leaave that shell connected, and then ssh A -> B -> C while the first shell is open, B -> is logged in unauthenticated
[00:25] <setuid> it's bizarre
[00:26] <The_puppeteer> is anyone familiar with openvpn or can point me to the right channel?
[00:30] <DMA> The_puppeteer: #openvpn
[00:30] <DMA> I'm familiar with it but I try the software-specific channels first
[00:31] <The_puppeteer> k thx
[00:31] <DMA> setuid: wipe .ssh and do not use ssh-copy-id, try cat id_rsa.pub, copy, paste it into authorized_keys and chmod 640 it
[00:31] <Loshki> The_puppeteer: might try ##linux, but they're a cranky bunch
[00:32] <DMA> I did that two weeks ago and works like a charm, no complicatons at all
[00:32] <setuid> 640? should be 0600, no?
[00:38] <Trinity> I was reading about possible exploits on ubuntu and came across this. http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/reset-your-forgotten-ubuntu-password-in-2-minutes-or-less/
[00:38] <Trinity> how would this be possible since Ubuntu disables root login by default?
[00:39] <DMA> setuid: I *think* authorized_keys gotta be 640; id_rsa has to be 600, iirc.
[00:39] <nacc> Trinity: you're not logging in, in that example
[00:40] <nacc> Trinity: generally speaking, if a malicious person has access to your system physically, you're probably not in a great place :)
[00:40] <DMA> Anyway, I always enable StrictModes, so if I mess up the permissions key-auth won't work, hehe
[00:40] <mutante> Trinity: physical access is always root
[00:41] <Trinity> right, but not if the disk is encrypted correct?
[00:41] <mutante> right, yes
[00:41] <nacc> Trinity: correct, but then it wouldn't have dropped you to a shell in that example
[00:41] <nacc> Trinity: at least, not a shell with the fs mounted
[00:41] <mutante> there might be other crazy attacks, like taking the crypto key out of RAM
[00:41] <Trinity> so who would the user be in that shell?
[00:41] <nacc> Trinity: in what shell?
[00:42] <Trinity> from the article I linked
[00:42] <nacc> Trinity: in the article linked, the physical console shell user is root
[00:43] <Trinity> Ah I see, correct me if i'm wrong, but the console shell user is root for grub but not the OS stored on the file system. It's just that the file system is mounted and they can thus edit data on the File System right?
[00:43] <mutante> Trinity: "disabled root login" as in "sshd does not let root login"
[00:43] <nacc> Trinity: grub doesn't hav ea user associated
[00:43] <mutante> Trinity: but when you are local at the console, that is not sshd
[00:44] <nacc> Trinity: console shell is physical access to the system (and what that means does depend on if fileystems are mounted); and what user you login as (recovery shell is the root user), but that has nothing to do with grub, really
[00:46] <nacc> Trinity: in the example you linked to, there is no protection on the filesystems, so having physical console access (grub console) means you can force the system to boot into recovery mode, which in turn means you can access the filesystem(s) as root
[00:46] <nacc> Trinity: but, as I said, if you have a malicious user physically accessing your system, of course your system is compromised
[00:47] <Trinity> nacc, I guess i'm just trying to figure out the flow of processes. Thank you for giving me a great an elaborate explanation :)
[00:47] <mutante> Trinity: if you encrypt the filesystem people will have to type a password before they get to that grub screen
[00:48] <nacc> it might depend on if it's full-disk encryption or not, but it might be after grub too ... but either way, they'd have to decrypt the fs
[00:48] <nacc> before access, that is
[00:48] <nacc> Trinity: but if they have physical access to your system, they could also, presumably, reinstall your system or do something else devious :)
[00:56] <daw__> I deleted my rhythmbox play queue accidentally. How do I get it back?
[00:58] <DMA> daw__: I'm not sure, note that. If you haven't closed rhythmbox, you might find the file where it's saved and load it again. If you closed the program, probably it got overwritten and getting it back would be not worth it (imho),
[00:58] <daw__> I don't need the stuff in it
[00:58] <setuid> DMA, Looks like the issue was C was built with an encrypted $HOME
[00:58] <daw__> but the functionality to add things to the queue is gone
[00:59] <setuid> DMA, so ~/.ssh/authorized_keys doesn't exist until that first ssh session decrypts $HOME and makes them visible
[00:59] <daw__> although, your suggestion about opening and closing it made me think...maybe just closing it and opening it will regenerated it
[00:59] <daw__> which it did! thanks DMA!
[01:02] <DMA> daw__: well, I'm glad, I thought Rhythmbox would write the current queue to disk on closing (saving it as an empty list), but as it didn't you got it back :)
[01:03] <DMA> setuid: I'm glad you found the problem. Definitely $HOME being encrypted is a bit uncommon, so there you have. You might leave it like that or fromat it again with a plain FS of your choice.
[01:03] <setuid> I'm rebuilding the boxes without encrupted home
[01:04] <setuid> that'ss going to break more than just this
[01:04] <DMA> If sshd runs locally on host C, I'm wondering why can't it just read $HOME
[01:05] <DMA> Isn't it mounted? Isn't the decryption key available on RAM for processes to access the FS? Anyway, not my priority right now, hehe
[01:07] <setuid> because /home/setuid/ isnt' decrypted, so it can't parse /home/setuid/.ssh/authorized_keys
[01:11] <nelson_> anyone else getting an "out of range" message displaying on your monitor when trying to install Ubuntu 16.04?
[01:13] <gbaker_> I've never seen that problem
[01:13] <setuid> It means your graphics card is pushing a resolution your monitor can't support
[01:14] <nelson_> setuid, this error also happens when i try to install Fedora 24.. but does not occur with Windows 10
[01:15] <gbaker_> I've had mine go blank, the only way I could get it to work was by adding "nomodeset" in the grub command
[01:16] <nelson_> gbaker_, I was messing around with that option a few weeks ago and after booting into Ubuntu I wasn't able to install the Nvidia drivers from the additional drivers section
[01:16] <setuid> nelson_, because Linux tries to maximize the quality of the experience, by asking the card what max resolution/quality it can support, not querying the monitor and matching that with the graphics
[01:17] <setuid> Windows 10 is like... those kids rides at the front of the supermarket, where you rock back and forth on a dinosaur for $0.50, vs. Linux, which is like test driving a Tesla.
[01:17] <gbaker_> What I did was added the nomodeset and prior to install I installed the nvidia drivers, then before I rebooted from the install I added nomodeset to the fresh install
[01:18] <setuid> The NVIDIA drivers lock up X when it tries to start on my Dell Precision 7510, but nouveau works fine
[01:19] <setuid> My lappie has 2 video cards: Intel and NVIDIA
[01:19] <gbaker_> Mine only has Nvidia cards
[01:19] <nelson_> gbaker_, trying to understand. So you added nomodeset to boot the installer and then after it was installed you installed the nvidia drivers
[01:19] <nelson_> and then added nomodeset again?
[01:20] <gbaker_> I added nomodeset to grub before I rebooted from the install
[01:21] <nelson_> gbaker_, and before the reboot you installed the nvidia drivers?
[01:22] <gbaker_> The reason I installed the nvidia drivers before I started the install from the live disk is because the software rendering was causing it to crash
[01:22] <nelson_> ohh i see
[01:22] <gbaker_> After the install was over and it was rebooted I had to install them again
[01:23] <nelson_> gbaker_, ok cool, i might give that a try. Really weird though.. when i had nomodeset none of the nvidia drivers were listed under the available driver menu
[01:24] <nelson_> "additional drivers" menu
[01:24] <gbaker_> I just changed over to Mint this week to see how it worked with my intel raid... before I had to do mdadm. The new Mint recognized my intel raid right away :)
[01:28] <nelson_> gbaker_, nice
[01:30] <gbaker_> with the raid hdparm gave me  Timing cached reads:   24276 MB in  2.00 seconds = 12149.30 MB/sec
[01:30] <gbaker_> and Timing buffered disk reads: 2516 MB in  3.00 seconds = 838.09 MB/sec
[01:38] <backspace> hello?
[01:38] <backspace> what is the best way to develop websites?
[01:39] <gbaker_> No clue
[01:39] <YankDownUnder> "Plan the work, work the plan" -> that is the first step.
[01:39] <backspace> html,css, js, etc or django?
[01:40] <YankDownUnder> That is a choice YOU have to make according to what you wish to accomplish.
[01:40] <Ben64> you're in the wrong channel, this is Ubuntu support
[01:40] <tgm4883> best way to develop websites. 1) find programmer that knows how to develop websites 2) Tell them you can't pay them but they will get good exposure
[01:40] <gbaker_> I would suggest taking a html class before anything
[01:40] <tgm4883> No, I'm kidding. Please don't do that. Ever.
[01:40] <YankDownUnder> HTML is great because (drum roll) you CAN'T INFECT IT! :) It's static, it's fast.
[01:40] <irregular> hi guys, I ran sudo apt-get install --fix-broken and my terminal turned into this https://snag.gy/tYGKX2.jpg
[01:41] <backspace> Thnks
[01:41] <irregular> what do I do to proceed from this screen?
[01:41] <Ben64> hit ok
[01:41] <tgm4883> irregular: hit tab, then hit enter
[01:41] <gbaker_> what he just said
[01:41] <irregular> tgm4883:thankyouthankyou
[01:41] <tgm4883> irregular: yw
[01:42] <irregular> I had a huge red error icon on my top right for over a week since i cancelled out of that ugh
[01:42] <tgm4883> I only know of these issues because I've ran into the exact issues before
[01:43] <irregular> you are the hero for those that come after you
[01:43] <irregular> :)
[01:44] <YankDownUnder> backspace: A few months ago, I was part of a "planning" group on putting together a website. We outlined exactly what we wanted the website to do - flowcharted it - and then used that information to progress to what we wanted for backend stuff (database drive stuff). Then after that was decided, we proceeded to GUI and ergonomics and media/graphics...works a charm when you have a plan.
[01:44] <tgm4883> irregular: If I have seen further it is only by standing on the shoulders of giants
[01:47] <jakesyl_mobile> Hey ive been trying to
[01:47] <jakesyl_mobile> Boot
[01:47] <jakesyl_mobile> My computer for 3 hours and it keeps flashing this https://imgur.com/a/MYUnU
[01:48] <backspace> hmmm. I see..
[02:00] <gavri> Is it possible to turn off HiDPI scaling on a need basis? I'm using a MacBook Pro with a Retina screen and would like to turn scaling off when I use the external monitor at work.
[02:04] <Valorias> Testing
[02:08] <isaac_> hi
[02:10] <isaac_> what the hell is this for?
[02:11] <dax> ubuntu technical support
[02:11] <isaac_> thank you!
[02:12] <ycyclist> How do I get rid of open java and install the Oracle one that works?
[02:14] <ycyclist> Perhaps do I need to reinstall the whole OS?
[02:14] <nelson_> so i booted a new ubuntu 16.10 installation using nomodeset and looks like unity crashed
[02:14] <wgdvs> anyone else having lag/slow performance on rpi3 with mate install?
[02:15] <ycyclist> Hmm.  Glad I stayed with 16.04.
[02:16] <ycyclist> I thought Ubuntu had a direct apt install for Oracle java nowadays.
[02:17] <ycyclist> Perhaps did it go away?
[02:20] <teward> ycyclist: licensing reasons meant it couldn't be kept in the repos, I believe
[02:20] <teward> ycyclist: that said, there *is* a PPA which provides packages which are basically installation scripts which will download the tarballs from Oracle and install them manually.  That said, I think Oracle said the OpenJDK favors of Java are just as good
[02:20] <ycyclist> Makes sense.  Still, I cannot seem to remove openjdk.
[02:20] <christan> hi guys
[02:21] <ycyclist> Perhaps they are, but they are not working.  I'd rather use stuff that works.
[02:21] <teward> ycyclist: some things depend on it for the packages' runtime or build deps I think - you'd have to change the alternatives for `java` and `javac` instead
[02:21] <teward> and even then I can't guarantee success
[02:22] <ycyclist> apt sees no java, javac, nor openjdk packages.
[02:22] <teward> java and javac are programs, they're not packages
[02:23] <teward> they're *provided* by the java stuff lol.
[02:23] <ycyclist> openjdk-8-jdk
[02:23] <teward> yep that's the openjdk one
[02:23] <teward> there won't be any oracle java in the repos though
[02:23] <nelson_> ok so i booted with nomodeset and i dont have the option to install the nvidia drivers from the additional drivers menu
[02:24] <nelson_> this is the second time i have tried this process and am getting stuck in the same spot
[02:24] <christan> How to Dos a website ? step by step.
[02:24] <christan> close website
[02:24] <Jordan_U> christan: Nobody in this channel is going to help you with that.
[02:25] <Jordan_U> christan: If you ask again, you will be banned.
[02:25] <christan> ok sorry about that
[02:25] <lpotter> heh
[02:25] <christan> so what channel would it be ?
[02:26] <Jordan_U> christan: None on this network, and this channel won't help you find such resources either.
[02:26] <christan> ok thanks
[02:27] <nelson_> has anyone run into the video problem that i described? Surely I cant be the only one
[02:27] <lpotter> I suppose you could close a website by running freedos or even msdos on it
[02:28] <Jordan_U> nelson_: Are you really trying to install Ubuntu 16.10?
[02:28] <ycyclist> Interesting, I removed the jdk but I am still seeing java executeable installed.
[02:29] <nelson_> Jordan_U, sorry I meant Ubuntu 16.04
[02:30] <nelson_> It's installed but I cant boot without the nomodeset option, and then when that is enabled I no longer have the option to install the nvidia drivers from the additional drivers tool
[02:30] <Jordan_U> ycyclist: dpkg -S $(which java)
[02:30] <Jordan_U> nelson_: Are you trying to install the Nvidia drivers before installing Ubuntu?
[02:31] <ycyclist> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/bin/java
[02:31] <nelson_> Jordan_U, Ubuntu is installed and I can boot to the desktop now with the nomodeset option enabled..otherwise I just get an "out of range" error produced by my monitor
[02:31] <ycyclist> But...
[02:31] <ycyclist> root@youboo:~# java -version openjdk version "1.8.0_91" OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 1.8.0_91-8u91-b14-0ubuntu4~16.04.1-b14) OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 25.91-b14, mixed mode)
[02:31] <ycyclist> So Ubuntu doesn't know about it anymore.  Drag.
[02:32] <Jordan_U> ycyclist: How did you uninstall java?
[02:32] <ycyclist> apt-get remove openjdk-8-jdk
[02:35] <nelson_> i am trying this
[02:35] <nelson_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/153040/frequency-out-of-range-please-change-display-mode
[02:36] <budder> hey all
[02:36] <nelson_> didnt work ugh
[02:36] <budder> installing ubuntu will not reformat my drive right? as in I don't necessarily need to back up all my stuff
[02:37] <Jordan_U> budder: You should always have important data backed up, no matter what you're doing.
[02:42] <saegeoff> hello
[02:53] <hanasaki> any support for aufs?
[02:54] <Jordan_U> hanasaki: Please ask you question. If anyone can answer/help they will.
[02:55] <hanasaki> Jordan_U:  "is there any support for aufs in ubuntu?"
[02:55] <Jordan_U> hanasaki: IIRC it's used for the LiveCD/USB sessions, so yes.
[02:56] <Elec_A> Hi, Is this PPA safe : https://launchpad.net/~gregory-hainaut/+archive/pcsx2.official.ppa ?
[02:56] <hanasaki> I was going to use it for docker backend storage.  how do you format a partition for aufs?
[02:57] <Jordan_U> hanasaki: You don't. Aufs isn't a fileystem in that sense. It combines the contents of two directories into a third directory mounted elsewhere. Those two directories can be held on any filesystem you choose (as far as I know).
[02:58] <serialnuts> Could somebody recommend a good backup method for a hardware raid 0 setup? I've been looking online and haven't found a concrete answer. Thanks
[03:00] <serialnuts> or should I go for an LVM setup and do snapshots instead?
[03:01] <Jordan_U> serialnuts: LVM snapshots in and of themselves aren't backups.
[03:01] <tgm4883> serialnuts: proper backups don't care about raid levels
[03:01] <serialnuts> Jordan_U, this only concerns the root file system
[03:02] <Jordan_U> serialnuts: LVM snapshots still aren't backups. Maybe you don't need backups for your root filesystem, but if so you need to explain what you're actually looking for if not backups.
[03:04] <daw__> anybody got any ideas on fixing Google Hangouts? the webrtc tests work on Chrome (and Firefox), but Hangouts doesn't work. Skype works fine.
[03:04] <serialnuts> Jordan_U, Sure, I need to test things out, which might break the system. I need a way to restore to an earlier 'session' on this particular workstation.
[03:04] <nelson_> if i boot with nomodeset i cant install the nvidia drivers from the additional drivers menu.. if i boot without nomodeset i get out of range error when booting and I cant see anything but a black screen
[03:04] <nelson_> any advice?
[03:04] <serialnuts> Jordan_U, and it is only the root file system that I need restored
[03:05] <tgm4883> serialnuts: clonezilla maybe? What are you trying to test
[03:06] <serialnuts> Jordan_U, I tried clonezilla at first, I got an error while trying to restore. It did't work well with hardware raid
[03:06] <serialnuts> Jordan_U, I've used clonezilla before without raid and it has worked fine
[03:06] <Jordan_U> serialnuts: If you're OK with using a somewhat unstable filesystem (which, if you're using RAID0, it sounds like you probably are) then btrfs snapshots would be the most space efficient, as well as being the easiest to roll back.
[03:07] <serialnuts> Jordan_U, Thank you so much, I will look into it
[03:08] <Jordan_U> serialnuts: You're welcome.
[03:09] <Jordan_U> serialnuts: I've been using btrfs for a year or two and I love it (though I did run into one issue with symlinks being turned into links to the empty string, '', due to a power outage. That bug has since been fixed).
[03:10] <serialnuts> Jordan_U, I am reading about it right now and it sounds as if it will be fit for what I am doing
[03:11] <Jordan_U> serialnuts: I haven't used any of the GUI tools for managing snapshots, but creating snapshots is easy and managing them is as easy as litterally managing directories. I've heard good things about snapper if you'd like a GUI and some automation.
[03:12] <serialnuts> Jordan_U, I'd love the automating stuff, I prefer more verbose output though, so maybe I'll give the  the GUI a shot :]
[03:18] <plop_its_ellie> does this channel cover the official ubuntu varients (like xubuntu, ubuntu mate...)?
[03:23] <theorem> any clues what might cause a 16.04 box to complain that the network is not up from network-manager ?  then minutes later, it says everything is fine ?
[03:23] <theorem> it was woring flawlessly with 15.10
[03:24] <plop_its_ellie> theorem, is this after sleep/suspend?
[03:24] <theorem> this is immediately after startup
[03:24] <plop_its_ellie> oh
[03:24] <theorem> I haven't tried sleep/suspend
[03:24] <plop_its_ellie> theres a glaring bug in 16.04 that causes the network interface to disappear after sleep
[03:25] <plop_its_ellie> idk why that bug is there or how it made it pass QA in the first place...
[03:25] <theorem> what's really weird is that the interface IS up.  it has an IP addres, routes, everything I can even SSH into the box
[03:25] <theorem> but network manager waits around and still says it's down
[03:25] <theorem> what QA ?
[03:25] <theorem> :)
[03:25] <plop_its_ellie> good point lol
[03:25] <arooni> is there an ubuntu irc client that works with ZNC?
[03:25] <theorem> ZNC ?
[03:26] <plop_its_ellie> but i meant how did the guys at canonical not notice that or let that make in into the final release
[03:26] <plop_its_ellie> arooni, any irc client should work with it
[03:26] <theorem> plop_its_ellie: probably how every other bug makes it in .. they missed it
[03:26] <arooni> is xchat still the 'best' client for ubuntu
[03:26] <theorem> arooni: no, irssi is
[03:26] <plop_its_ellie> theorem, its a self hosted irc bouncer
[03:26] <plop_its_ellie> arooni, thats subjective
[03:27] <arooni> ah its terminal based
[03:27] <theorem> arooni: yes, the best.
[03:27] <arooni> whats the advantage of that?
[03:27] <arooni> looks good in tmux?
[03:27] <arooni> over a gui app
[03:27] <theorem> arooni: no gui to foof about with.
[03:27] <theorem> and it works with screen
[03:27] <plop_its_ellie> arooni, you can have znc on a server logged in 24-7
[03:27] <plop_its_ellie> then just connect to your bouncer froma client like hexchat
[03:28] <plop_its_ellie> i mean have the znc bouncer on a server
[03:28] <plop_its_ellie> and it can just stay logged in 24-7
[03:28] <arooni> so can i connect two clients to the same znc server
[03:28] <arooni> so i sort of have simultaneous updates without the need for a separate freenode account
[03:29] <plop_its_ellie> yea you could have multiple clients
[03:29] <plop_its_ellie> idk how it works with one irc account tho
[03:29] <plop_its_ellie> no actually it should work fine
[03:30] <plop_its_ellie> so for example you have one znc instance on a server, then you can have an irc client logged in on your phone, laptop, desktop, or any other device... all connected to znc
[03:30] <arooni> thats hot stuff
[03:30] <plop_its_ellie> and znc is logged into irc with your account, networks, channels...
[03:30] <arooni> what about this
[03:31] <plop_its_ellie> yep :)
[03:31] <arooni> if i join a new channel on one client, will it auto propagate to other clients?
[03:31] <arooni> cuz if it doesnt, it should
[03:31] <arooni> haha
[03:31] <plop_its_ellie> arooni, yea it should
[03:32] <codepython777> where can i download all the current .deb files for 14.04.4?
[03:32] <codepython777> and preferably keep them in sync?
[03:32] <arooni> i guess i should thank my lucky stars i had a flakey router firmware (ive finally fixed that yay) so i could find out about znc
[03:33] <plop_its_ellie> arooni, you can run znc on something like a vps
[03:33] <arooni> plop_its_ellie i already have it setup on one
[03:33] <arooni> i just didnt know it was for more than flakey connections
[03:33] <arooni> as i finally fixed my stupid router; so i was wondering if there was any sense keeping it around
[03:34] <theorem> arooni: installed openwrt ?
[03:34] <plop_its_ellie> if you can put open source firmware on it then why not
[03:34] <plop_its_ellie> otherwise you can turn off the router stuff like dhcp and use it as an access point
[03:34] <arooni> well; yes except openwrt failed pretty hard on it;  disconnects every 10 minutes when dhcp from dsl modem rewnewed lease
[03:35] <arooni> but i got some padavan firmware on it now and i've got a nice stable connection
[03:35] <codepython777> where can i download all the current .deb files for 14.04.4?
[03:35] <arooni> ubuntu.org
[03:35] <arooni> that was a guess
[03:35] <arooni> so dont hate me if it didnt work
[03:35] <codepython777> arooni - cant find it there
[03:36] <plop_its_ellie> codepython777, you mean update to 14.04?
[03:36] <codepython777> I just need a flat list of all .deb files for a particular release
[03:36] <plop_its_ellie> er update to 14.04.4?
[03:36] <codepython777> 14.04.4 LTS
[03:36] <plop_its_ellie> codepython777, http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[03:36] <codepython777> a flat list to download
[03:36] <codepython777> plop_its_ellie: Its one package link on that page. I need a directory with all .deb files
[03:36] <codepython777> from which i can run sync
[03:37] <plop_its_ellie> that has all debs and source debs for all the packages
[03:37] <plop_its_ellie> er for all the releases i mean
[03:37] <plop_its_ellie> well current ones
[03:37] <codepython777> plop_its_ellie: is there a directory there, which i can rsync locally ?
[03:37] <plop_its_ellie> codepython777, you can rsync from there, there are download mirrors
[03:37] <codepython777> plop_its_ellie: command please?
[03:38] <plop_its_ellie> codepython777, so you find a specific package you need and then it shows you lists of mirrors where you can download the package from
[03:38] <codepython777> plop_its_ellie: that is not what i need?
[03:38] <codepython777> plop_its_ellie: I need a directory with all .deb files - a flat list
[03:39] <plop_its_ellie> codepython777, all the debs in the release?
[03:39] <codepython777> seems like packages are in their own subdirectories
[03:39] <plop_its_ellie> yea
[03:39] <codepython777> plop_its_ellie: all the .deb that apt-get can get to for 14.04.4?
[03:39] <plop_its_ellie> oh
[03:41] <codepython777> plop_its_ellie: http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gsfonts/- for example here is one .deb file
[03:41] <plop_its_ellie> codepython777, there in the mirrors, here is an example
[03:41] <codepython777> I would have liked all .deb files in one directory
[03:41] <plop_its_ellie> oh you found it
[03:41] <codepython777> no - that is one directory per one deb file
[03:41] <plop_its_ellie> oh yea
[03:41] <plop_its_ellie> idk if what you are looking for exists
[03:42] <theorem> boo
[03:42] <plop_its_ellie> but you can make one :)
[03:42] <theorem> network manager still sucks
[03:42] <brohan> Hi All. I have a failing HDD. I am currently backing up my /home dir which was on it's own parition. WHen I do a clean install of Ubuntu, how do I do so, so that I can transfer my /home dir back and it just works
[03:42] <codepython777> plop_its_ellie: yes, i can make one
[03:42] <plop_its_ellie> theorem, i think thats an ubuntu issue
[03:42] <codepython777> plop_its_ellie: if i want to make one, which subdirectory do i copy?
[03:42] <codepython777> plop_its_ellie: trusty or trusty-updates?
[03:42] <theorem> plop_its_ellie: yeah
[03:42] <plop_its_ellie> i tried various versions of network manager and still got the same results
[03:42] <brohan> in other words when I install programs they find their settings, and most important, when I log in, I log into my preivous home dir
[03:42] <theorem> I am trying to disable it completely
[03:42] <plop_its_ellie> codepython777, trusty should have everything
[03:43] <codepython777> plop_its_ellie: http://mirrors.kernel.org/ubuntu/pool/main/ - this has no mention of trusty?
[03:43] <plop_its_ellie> i dont think the -updates have everything
[03:43] <plop_its_ellie> theorem, network manager is pretty good, these are ubuntu specific bugs
[03:43] <plop_its_ellie> these bugs are not present on other distros
[03:43] <plop_its_ellie> you can downgrade to 14.04
[03:44] <theorem> plop_its_ellie: I'm on 16.04
[03:44] <plop_its_ellie> yea, you could downgrade to 14.04
[03:44] <irregular> hi guys after my apt-get update and apt-get install --fix-broken, my hipchat autocloses after startup now even after uninstall and reinstall
[03:48] <Loshki> brohan: one way, just install as usual. Let it create /home/brohan. Restore your backup into /home/brohan. If your backup includes a list of installed packages, reinstall them.
[03:56] <saitoh183__> hey all...still trying to get phpmyadmin to work...i made some progress but when i load the page, i get The mysqli extension is missing. Please check your PHP configuration. See our documentation for more information. Here is my php -m http://paste.ubuntu.com/19242417/ ...im using php7.0 with mariadb 10.1 and nginx 1.10.0
[04:07] <jamie_1> hey any clue why why when im copying files eg transferring a repository into a separate repository that is 2gb it starts at 40mb/s and slowly declines in speed throughout transfer?
[04:08] <brohan> Loshki: I assume install and use same username and password. WIll it keep the same user ID number? Where does ubuntu keep a list of installed packages in the user acct?
[04:08] <theorem> ok, with network manager gone it seems better
[04:08] <theorem> so, how do I gte dhcp addresses without network manager then ?
[04:08] <xersus> hi
[04:09] <ceit> sup brah
[04:09] <saitoh183__> hey all...still trying to get phpmyadmin to work... when i load the page, i get The mysqli extension is missing. Please check your PHP configuration. See our documentation for more information. Here is my php -m http://paste.ubuntu.com/19242417/ ...im using php7.0 with mariadb 10.1 and nginx 1.10.0
[04:10] <ceit> i want to sell my clash of clans account if anyone interested
[04:11] <Guy1524> is anyone there?
[04:11] <theorem> yep
[04:11] <jamie_1> no we all ran away
[04:12] <jamie_1> your talking to a figment of your imagination
[04:12] <Guy1524> k, well in the ubuntu installer I get this error: "The 'grub-efi-amd64-signed' package failed to install into / target/.  Without GRUB boot loader, the installed system will not boot"
[04:12] <ceit> python is bae
[04:12] <ceit> jobless people
[04:12] <ceit> go get a job
[04:13] <jamie_1> so.... any clue why why when im copying files eg transferring a repository into a separate repository that is 2gb it starts at 40mb/s and slowly declines in speed throughout transfer?
[04:14] <theorem> jamie_1: sure, lots of reasons.  what is the sending and receiving medium ?
[04:15] <Loshki> brohan: most of the time, if you are the only user, you will get the same uid. If you don't, you can 'adduser' one with the correct details, then delete the spurious account. To make a local copy of the package selection states then transfer this file to another computer, and install it there, is documented in the man page (see --get-selections and --set-selections)
[04:15] <jamie_1> theorem: its just moving from one location on the hdd to another
[04:16] <Loshki> Sorry, the dpkg man page, section beginning "To make a local copy of the package selection states..."
[04:16] <jamie_1> im transferring i mobile os ui build repo into a full os build repo to properly match up the proper ui repository
[04:17] <theorem> jamie_1: ok, then your HDD cache is working.  it's caching files that are in the cache on the HHD, "moving" those , then working on the next ones.  since the displayed speed is an average, you will see a dramatic decrease ove the length of the transfer.
[04:17] <theorem> also, because it's a series of small files your hdd is doing a lot of work to copy and write those files again
[04:17] <theorem> since you said it was a repository, then are these files small or large ?
[04:18] <jamie_1> well both, depends on the part some of them are files that are 20 lines of code while other are over 1000 lines of code
[04:18] <theorem> smaller files will hit parts of inodes and cause a lot of reads between file writes , this also causes a lot of journal activity
[04:18] <theorem> this slows down your writes
[04:18] <theorem> 1000 lines of code is still very small.
[04:19] <theorem> modern HDD are using 4k sectors
[04:19] <jamie_1> theorem: not when its about 12653 files
[04:19] <brohan> Loshki: Thank you.
[04:19] <theorem> you may also have misalignment between HDD sector size and the size at which the partition is accessing things -- or the HDD is pretending to be the smaller 512 block size.
[04:20] <dan2wik> How do I upgrade an ubuntu server from 14.04 to 16.04?
[04:20] <theorem> jamie_1: tar.gz the files together, then move the tar.gz , you should see an appreciable difference.
[04:20] <theorem> jamie_1: other possibility is that you have a dying disk
[04:20] <theorem> check SMART.
[04:20] <theorem> SSD or spinning ?
[04:20] <jamie_1> theorem: its brand new and its hdd not ssd
[04:21] <jamie_1> so yes i know its not as fast due to its not flash memory setup
[04:21] <theorem> new hdd can be dropped too
[04:21] <theorem> SMART will confirm.
[04:21] <Loshki> dan2wik: must you?
[04:21] <jamie_1> well also... i cant tar.gz... it would add more time due to compressing 2gb
[04:21] <jamie_1> was just curious
[04:21] <dan2wik> Loshki, yes.
[04:22] <jamie_1> also right now i cant touch the repository im in the middle of a build
[04:22] <theorem> jamie_1: 2G of small files is going to take a long time respectively because of how the files are scattered on disk.
[04:24] <Loshki> dan2wik: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes, 3rd paragraph. Also, google mentions an "update-manager-core" package
[04:24] <jamie_1> theorem: im not to concerned, was just curious, im not to concerned with it... just makes my daily smoke tests take a little longer
[04:24] <theorem> jamie_1: how long is the transfer time again ?
[04:24] <dan2wik> Thanks
[04:24] <brohan> Loshki: for the installed package list, does one need to have be using the system they want to list for? I ask b/c i can't get my system to boot off the failing hdd to make a list of installed packages
[04:25] <jamie_1> theorem: like 4-5 minutes
[04:25] <theorem> jamie_1: seems too long.
[04:25] <Loshki> jamie_1: could you add "not too concerned" one more time, to convince us
[04:25] <theorem> jamie_1: if you had another drive it would go faster -- dedicated read and dedicated write.
[04:25] <jamie_1> Loshki: sorry im multi-tasking... wrote that message at two seperate bursts
[04:26] <theorem> jamie_1: or file up a RAM drive for the smoke tests ... then it's basically jsut a pure read to RAM.
[04:26] <theorem> *fire up
[04:26] <jamie_1> theorem: i have a 64gb flash i have been considering setting up my build system on so if i am on a different os or computer temp i can still do it
[04:27] <jamie_1> wouldnt have to deal with this issue if it were not for the fact of we for some stupid reason have our hardware layer and redering layer on one branch and our ui on another... makes things a lot more complicated to setup
[04:27] <theorem> flash will be bad for the frequent writes (probably not a bad idea though otherwise)
[04:28] <jamie_1> i write about two times a day when i do my pulls for my builds
[04:28] <theorem> a quick ramdisk of 2G since you're just doing a smoke test probably will haul.
[04:28] <Loshki> brohan: ideally yes. Otherwise, if you can access the old /etc then it might be in /var/log/dpkg.log. If you can take a copy of the old /etc with you, that will have most of what you need (apart from /home) to reconstruct your machine.
[04:28] <theorem> jamie_1: the 2G writes hit a lot of inodes because the files are smaller than the inode and block sizes, so you would be hitting a lot more cells.
[04:29] <jamie_1> theorem: right now main issue is i have so much to do as currently i am the only QA engineer... so whenever i can save time its very helpful
[04:29] <jaccess> i updated my .bashrc with "alias dd='dd bs=1m'" Is there a way to confirm this is working?
[04:29] <theorem> jamie_1: https://www.jamescoyle.net/how-to/943-create-a-ram-disk-in-linux
[04:30] <jamie_1> hell... i havent even gotten the time to setup some of the automated unit tests or half of the dam marionette tests for integration
[04:30] <jamie_1> theorem: thanks
[04:30] <saitoh183__> cant seem to figure this out
[04:30] <theorem> jamie_1: sounds familiar ..
[04:30] <jamie_1> theorem: you work in QA?
[04:30] <theorem> I am itching to see how much faster your smoke tests and builds run on a ramdisk.
[04:30] <theorem> jamie_1: product manager.
[04:30] <brohan> Loshki: Thanks again. I should be able to copy it
[04:31] <theorem> a technical one. ;-)
[04:31] <jamie_1> ah! so you know how much crap QA has to deal with all the time... especially when you have one QA engineer on a whole os project....
[04:31] <theorem> jamie_1: very aware.
[04:31] <jamie_1> theorem: you heard about the sunsetting of firefox os right?
[04:32] <theorem> no idea what firefox OS is
[04:32] <theorem> souds ill concieved ?
[04:32] <theorem> *sounds
[04:32] <jamie_1> theorem: well it was amazing in consepts and advancements until higher up started to want us to do things that were not what it was intended for and started listening to partners...
[04:33] <theorem> jamie_1: ah, sounds like shit product managers.
[04:33] <jamie_1> theorem: well now firefox os is no longer firefox os... moz stripped all of the propritary code out and gave it away to the community and i stayed with the project... and was the only one who did
[04:33] <theorem> number one rule:  know when to say "no".
[04:34] <jamie_1> well hard to say no to the ceo....
[04:34] <theorem> sorry, that came out wrong
[04:34] <theorem> I meant as a product manager.
[04:34] <Loshki> jamie_1: sounds like a good bargaining position w.r.t. salary and options
[04:35] <jamie_1> but now we are B2G and are not connected to moz at all and now the community is deciding what to do with it instead... but we have to rebuild all of what they removed that was proprietary api's
[04:35] <theorem> jamie_1: paycheck ?
[04:36] <jamie_1> no... i was laid off due to now b2g is all volunteer... most of us on the project were laid off when they kill the project
[04:36] <theorem> jamie_1: hmm ...
[04:36] <jamie_1> b2g is not connected to any oranization at all, its 100% open source community
[04:36] <jamie_1> so now im on the look for a new job but im not giving up what i have worked very hard on and support fully
[04:37] <theorem> jamie_1: commitment is a valued thing, worth $, I think someone is taking advantage of you.
[04:37] <jamie_1> but also left me as the only QA.. and to be honest im a jr QA engineer now playing lead QA...
[04:37] <getem> hello
[04:37] <Loshki> jamie_1: admirable, but will you give it up if you get a full-time paying job?
[04:38] <theorem> jamie_1: ok, resume builder I suppose.
[04:38] <theorem> put a time limit on it though.
[04:38] <jamie_1> well if i get a new job ill focus on my job but will also though keep working on B2G in my free time... kinda like a pet project
[04:38] <theorem> management hit the ejector button because it wasn't going to make money and was not taking off in the marketplace.
[04:39] <theorem> until you understand why it tanked in the market, I can't say that any work is justified.
[04:39] <Jordan_U> !ot
[04:39] <theorem> (what if you're working in the wrong direction?)
[04:40] <jamie_1> was pissed due to we had just reached what we considered a full stable release and was what we considered great and what we were working for
[04:41] <theorem> jamie_1: yes ...
[04:41] <jamie_1> so we all demanded to keep it going even if it were all community and volunteer based
[04:41] <jamie_1> its our brain child and now our pet project
[04:41] <theorem> jamie_1: but the real question .. really .. who are your customers ?
[04:41] <Jordan_U> jamie_1: theorem: Please move this discussion to #ubuntu-offtopic to keep #ubuntu clear for support.
[04:42] <theorem> Jordan_U: really ?
[04:43] <theorem> jamie_1: see msg.
[04:44] <Loshki> theorem: yes, he means it. Come to #ubuntu-offtopic. The water's warm.
[04:44] <Jordan_U> theorem: Yes really, as you can see from the channel guidelines available at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines.
[04:45] <ameliaquining> Hi, sorry if this is a silly question, but the checksums for the Ubuntu ISO seem to be available from the official site only over unencrypted HTTP. In light of this, how can you get a cryptographically verified download of the ISO?
[04:46] <lotuspsychje> !md5 | ameliaquining
[04:46] <saitoh183__> so anyone know how i can get mysqli ?
[04:47] <ameliaquining> Sorry, but that doesn't answer my question. I'm aware of the checksums, the problem is that they themselves aren't cryptographically verified because there seems to be no way to download them over HTTPS.
[04:47] <Jordan_U> ameliaquining: To cryptographically verify the download you need to check the signature on the sha256sums file. To really be sure, you unfortunately need to be part of the gpg web of trust, meaning that you've (hopefully) physically met people that you trust and exchanged public keys with them.
[04:48] <ameliaquining> So there's no link to the HTTPS public key infrastructure? I'd trust ubuntu.com's SSL cert if it had one.
[04:49] <ameliaquining> Is there even a fingerprint/ID of the GPG key used to sign the ISO available that way?
[04:49] <lotuspsychje> ameliaquining: downloading an ubuntu iso from http doesnt mean its unsafe
[04:50] <Jordan_U> ameliaquining: Instructions for verifying the signature via gpg are here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto but no, as far as I know there is no chain of trust originating with a certificate authority, only gpg (which I would argue is much better than a certificate authority, iff you are a part of the web of trust).
[04:50] <ameliaquining> I see. I'm a bit geographically isolated so this is hard. Thanks anyway.
[04:51] <saitoh183__> how can i install mysqli using php7
[04:54] <Jordan_U> ameliaquining: Actually, it looks like the instructions have been changed to use HKPS, which I believe does root the trust. Let me look into it more.
[04:59] <vlab> is there a way to get chrome to start incognito without having to throw the command into a script and redirecting the link in /usr/bin ?
[05:00] <superkuh> Delete ~18,000 ~60kb files from a dir in ~/ and gvfsd-metadata goes wild, 100% CPU for going on 10 minutes now. Would it be "safe" to just delete the 'home' file in ~/.local/gvfs-metadata?
[05:00] <Jordan_U> vlab: You could change the exec line in the .desktop file.
[05:01] <vlab> sudo find / -name .desktop turns up nothing Jordan_U
[05:02] <Jordan_U> ameliaquining: So if you follow those instructions but replace "gpg --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 0xFBB75451 0xEFE21092" with "gpg --keyserver hkps://keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 0xFBB75451 0xEFE21092" then you can trust that you have the correct keys as long as you trust Ubuntu's key server (which you should).
[05:03] <rypervenche> saitoh183__: sudo apt-get install php7.0-mysql
[05:03] <rypervenche> saitoh183__: Provides: php-mysqli, php-mysqlnd, php-pdo-mysql, php7.0-mysqli, php7.0-mysqlnd, php7.0-pdo-mysql
[05:03] <Jordan_U> vlab: /usr/share/applications/google-chrome.desktop , though I would recommend copying it and making your own incognito launcher, as that file will be overwritten every time there is a google-chrome update.
[05:05] <ameliaquining> Thanks.
[05:05] <saitoh183__> php7.0-mysql is already the newest version (7.0.4-7ubuntu2.1).
[05:07] <Jordan_U> ameliaquining: You're welcome.
[05:07] <saitoh183__> rypervenche: do i have to reinstall?
[05:12] <abhvl> why cant i talk in #freenode?
[05:14] <Jordan_U> abhvl: See the channel topic (in #freenode).
[05:15] <abhvl> ok
[05:18] <abhvl> how should i find out if my ubuntu has keylogger installed by someone else?
[05:19] <Triffid_Hunter> abhvl: lsof and see if anything unusual is reading /dev/input/*, rk-hunter, check ps faux as well for unexpected daemons
[05:19] <Triffid_Hunter> abhvl: however note that it's fairly trivial these days to install hardware keyloggers into the keyboard itself and stuff like that, how paranoid do you want to become?
[05:29] <al_nz1> by default does Ubuntu 16 have the firewall completely closed?
[05:30] <ceit> are chal
[05:31] <Ben64> al_nz1: no
[05:39] <al_nz1> Ben64: ta
[05:39] <al_nz1> what the heck is a eno1 device? where did eth0 go?
[05:40] <hateball> al_nz1: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/
[05:46] <al_nz1> hateball: thanks
[06:14] <drozdziak1> Hi, I'm using Ubuntu with i3 window manager. In its configuration I've put an autostart rule for firing up a console and doing sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade, but whenever I type in the password the window vanishes due to apt being in use. How can I disable these background updates Ubuntu is probably making?
[06:14] <drozdziak1> (Ubuntu 16.04)
[06:19] <hellcook_> Hello
[06:23] <hellcook_> Has anyone tried/bought a Dell xps13 2016 developer edition laptop ? On the paper they look very nice, but I've found some very negative feedbacks around the interweb. What's your experience ?
[06:23] <lotuspsychje> hellcook_: depends what you gonna be doing with ubuntu?
[06:26] <hellcook_> lotuspsychje: how is it relevant ? Essentially browsing the Internet, playing vlc, and code during my commute to work.
[06:28] <hellcook_> lotuspsychje: do you have one ?
[06:35] <lotuspsychje> hellcook_: for multimedia use, better buy another brand laptop with ssd and install ubuntu on it
[06:36] <hellcook_> lotuspsychje: thank you. Why do you advise against ?
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> hellcook_: think its bit overkill for daily use
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> hellcook_: and not real cheap
[06:38] <ducasse> hellcook_: one thing to think of is that you can likely expect more problems with a laptop from 2016 than with one from 2015 or older.
[06:39] <hellcook_> Indeed
[06:40] <ducasse> other than that, laptop series that are so popular often get a lot of attention. might take time, though.
[06:42] <hellcook_> ducasse: the xps13 developer is popular from your perspective ?
[06:42] <gbaker> My laptop is only a few months old and absolutely everything works perfectly. Not one issue with it.
[06:43] <ducasse> hellcook_: well, former models have been with a lot of foss devs.
[06:43] <hellcook_> gbaker: xps13 developer laptop ?
[06:44] <hellcook_> ducasse: ok, thank you
[06:44] <gbaker> far from it
[06:44] <gbaker> MSI GT80 Titan 2QE
[06:44] <hellcook_> Ok ^^
[06:48] <cncr04s> there was an update to grub, and it messed up the configs. there are two options to boot ubuntu, they are both the same, but it sits there asking me which one. This is a headless server, how do I remove one of the boot options
[06:48] <hellcook_> Lotuspsychje: it is indeed a bit expensive, however I am willing to pay for a quality product. The thing is I am not so sure about the quality...
[06:49] <ducasse> hellcook_: but if you've heard about problems with that particular model, i would think twice.
[06:50] <gbaker> I got the MSI GT80S Titan SLI-072 and upgraded to 4 m.2 ssd drives and upgraded the memory and added a 5th hard drive for backups.
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> hellcook_: ubuntu makes any device more quality, often doesnt need to be pricey to be good
[06:51] <hellcook_> ducasse: there is this thread for example https://m.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4fs00p/xps_13_developer_edition_2016_review/
[07:00] <ducasse> hellcook_: yeah, i wouldn't buy that, i think. does hibernate matter to you? what about the noise? neither is it good that his laptop seems to have already died :)
[07:00] <gbaker> Ohhh neat I just noticed in HexChat under Window at the bottom you can "Send System Info"
[07:05] <sgz_com> Anyone built Unreal Engine 4 with Ubuntu 16.04?
[07:07] <gbaker> sgz_com Try this link -- https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/1898
[07:10] <sgz_com> Thx gbaker will have a read
[07:11] <gbaker> No prob, hope it helps
[07:11] <sgz_com> So do I :)
[07:12] <gbaker> sorry for the spam but I'm curious about that send system info button
[07:13] <gbaker>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.4.0-28-generic x86_64 ** Distro: LinuxMintD=LinuxMint ** CPU: 8 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5950HQ CPU @ 2.90GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 3.70GHz ** RAM: Physical: 31.4GiB, 84.8% free ** Disk: Total: 3.7TiB, 72.4% free ** VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GM204M [GeForce GTX 980M] ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH1: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia ** Ethernet: Qualcomm Atheros Killer E220x Gigabit Ethernet
[07:13] <gbaker> Controller ** Uptime: 2d 10h 2m 41s **
[07:13] <gbaker> ahhh cool
[07:14] <ikonia> gbaker: use a test channel next time please
[07:14] <gbaker> was just a one time thing, sorry
[07:20] <hellcook_> ducasse: the noise seems pretty nasty ( there are some videos about it on YouTube).
[07:21] <thecha> how can i use with samba and with homegroup windows to access wifi printer on homegroup widnows from my gnu linux?
[07:21] <thecha> i am on an ubuntu 14
[07:21] <ikonia> thecha: is your printer shared by windows, or on the network ?
[07:21] <thecha> and the ubuntu 14 is hooked up to a wifi router through lan cable and the printer is jsut a wifi on the homegroup widnows
[07:22] <thecha> shared by woindows
[07:22] <thecha> not sure about the network...
[07:22] <ikonia> thecha: so you need to access the printer via the sharename windows gives it
[07:22] <thecha> my ubuntu14 finds it one printers
[07:22] <thecha> i see
[07:22] <ikonia> thecha: you should see it in the printers menu
[07:24] <thecha> is the actual name of that property share name?
[07:25] <thecha> i can see serial
[07:25] <thecha> max , unique id and ip
[07:25] <ikonia> thecha: open the printing menu in ubuntu
[07:25] <ikonia> thecha: there should be an option for network printers
[07:26] <ikonia> thecha: in there - it will either list the printer, or expect you to type the share name
[07:26] <thecha> it lists it
[07:26] <thecha> but i cannot add it for some reason
[07:26] <ikonia> ok, there you go then
[07:26] <thecha> i tried to add it about a dozen times
[07:26] <thecha> ikonia
[07:26] <ikonia> define "cannot add it"
[07:26] <thecha> hang on
[07:27] <thecha> new printer could not be added
[07:27] <thecha> is what the system says
[07:27] <ikonia> nothing else
[07:28] <ikonia> ?
[07:30] <thecha> no
[07:30] <thecha> is there another way to add this?
[07:30] <thecha> i tried typing in the ip
[07:30] <thecha> :/
[07:31] <ikonia> thecha: how is the device shared ?
[07:32] <thecha> ionia it is on my friends windows 7 hoem grooup
[07:32] <thecha> as a shared wifi printer
[07:32] <thecha> i am plugged into the wifi router
[07:32] <thecha> that connects to it
[07:33] <thecha> ikonia
[07:33] <ikonia> thecha: ok, so the first thing I'd suggest looking at is the share permissions
[07:33] <thecha> ah ty
[07:33] <ikonia> thecha: you can obviously see the print, not add it. So before going in deep, check the share permissions
[07:33] <thecha> ty
[07:51] <leeyaa> hi
[07:51] <leeyaa> how the heck to find out why mysql cant start on 16.04
[07:51] <leeyaa> stupid systemd does not give any kind of info
[07:51] <ikonia> it does
[07:51] <ikonia> as does manually starting it
[07:51] <ikonia> as do the logs
[07:53] <thecha> ikonia
[07:53] <iceiceice> hi i have a question
[07:53] <iceiceice> when i installed a package, it told me this
[07:53] <thecha> i made sure the printer is shared... it didnt whatsoever change the outcome
[07:53] <iceiceice> http://pastebin.com/x6vrQeGZ
[07:53] <iceiceice> (some linux headers are no longer required)
[07:53] <iceiceice> then i did `sudo apt-get autoremove`
[07:53] <thecha> ikonia i know gained access to the pinter hoomeape it is liek this lil admin page... and it has ip for lan
[07:54] <ikonia> iceiceice: remove them then
[07:54] <k1l> iceiceice: run the autoremove command
[07:54] <iceiceice> yeah so thats the thing
[07:54] <iceiceice> i noticed that when i removed them, it reported some errors
[07:54] <thecha> can i use this ip adress to connecto to the printer directly...given that i ampluggedinto the wifi router it connects to
[07:54] <ikonia> thecha: ok - so now you're going to need to look at the syslog and samba logs to find out what's going on
[07:54] <thecha> (ikonia i am sgtill waiging for a new wifi card to arrive as my old one doent work anymore)
[07:54] <ikonia> thecha: what is the make of the printer ?
[07:54] <iceiceice> http://pastebin.com/mPqDGLNd
[07:55] <iceiceice> "Error! Your kernel headers for kernel 4.2.0-39-generic cannot be found."
[07:55] <thecha> ikonia it is a very good japanese canon?
[07:55] <iceiceice> should i be worrie dabout that?
[07:55] <thecha> one of the newer models
[07:55] <iceiceice> is there any way that i can validate my grub configuration without rebooting?
[07:55] <thecha> how do i get to the sambalogs?
[07:55] <thecha> i jsut call cli then type smaba-logs?
[07:56] <ikonia> thecha: canon does not have great linux support, so you may be able to plug into it directly,
[07:56] <ikonia> but you may have problems too
[07:56] <k1l> iceiceice: so what did you do manually there?
[07:56] <ikonia> iceiceice: read it
[07:56] <ikonia> thecha: the samba logs are normally in /var/log/samba
[07:56] <ikonia> thecha: however it would be interested to see what the syslog thinks is happening when you try to add the printer
[07:57] <k1l> iceiceice: wait, that is not an error. it removed the headers first and then the extra packages. no need to worry
[07:57] <iceiceice> i see
[07:57] <iceiceice> so its like the same program is run repeatedly?
[07:57] <iceiceice> and the error message is just like some diagnostic
[07:57] <iceiceice> ok thank you
[07:58] <dellhem> Hi. Anyone here who can assist me in trying to create a mobile broadband connection?
[07:58] <lyze> !ask | dellhem
[07:59] <dellhem> !really? | lyze
[08:00] <dellhem> Trying to create a mobile broadband connections but it fails to connect. Any ideas? http://pastebin.com/PBRYz4Xi
[08:00] <iceiceice> ah i have learned now about the "update-grub" command
[08:01] <iceiceice> this all makes sense now
[08:01] <iceiceice> thanks folks
[08:03] <zhangliang> hi
[08:06] <Admins> !flatpak | Admins
[08:08] <thecha> ikonia→ i am giving up
[08:08] <thecha> i have read the syslog and the samba log
[08:08] <thecha> nothing really in there that shines any light
[08:09] <thecha> ikonia→ do you think it may be possible to access the iwndows homegroup of my friend?
[08:09] <thecha> she shared some pictures and videos and music with me but i cannot even open the network from my computer
[08:09] <thecha> it shows but it ownt load
[08:09] <thecha> it is stuck in perpetal loading
[08:11] <ElPasmo> Hi all, today I've tried to upgrade from my 15.10 to 16.04LTS and the process crashed with gconf2. Now I'm trying to fix it using 'apt-get -f install' with no result. This is the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/19254402/
[08:13] <ikonia> ElPasmo: backup your data and clean install, or attempt to go through manually configuring each transitional package and keep trying to run the upgrade
[08:14] <ikonia> thecha: that really sounds like permissions
[08:14] <ikonia> thecha: I connect to multiple windows networks from linux without any problems
[08:14] <thecha> ikonia sounds probable! i never got asked the windows homegroup password
[08:15] <thecha> :/ i really dont get why since the ubuntu 14 pc i am on shows up on the homegroup...
[08:15] <thecha> but only a s black box without any properties or without being openable
[08:15] <ikonia> thecha: is your username on ubuntu the same as the windows homegroup username ?
[08:17] <thecha> you mean of what my computer shows up int he windows hoemgroup? if so then yes
[08:27] <Bassem> i get this error for sudo apt-get install playonlinux Failure to download extra data files ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[08:29] <hellcook> Would you recommend a specific laptop, or laptop manufacturer, for which the use of a unix os is the less painful?
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[08:40] <Bassem> i can't find playonlinux application
[08:41] <pardar> Hello! Im running 14.04 LTS, when i try to run i-nex it kills my vnc service, can still connect via SSH/Putty though
[08:44] <cherif> BONJOUR
[08:45] <folf> hellcook, have a look here  http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/
[08:48] <lyze> Bassem, you need to download it from their website
[08:49] <elias_a> I bumped into a strange problem after reinstalling 16.04 keeping old /home intact.
[08:50] <elias_a> After installation OS "sees" /home -partition twice.
[08:50] <elias_a> lsblk shows partitions quite correctly but Disks-utility shows /home twice.
[08:51] <elias_a> While booting there's nag "dependency failed for file system" about the home partition.
[08:52] <hellcook> folf: oh nice, thanks
[08:52] <elias_a> After I launch Gparted and check partitions (which are ok), the extra ghost partition disapperears from Disks utility as well.
[08:53] <elias_a> Any hints what to do?
[08:54] <qih> Hi, is there a reliable way to simulate different C Class IP addresses on an internal network, for web server testing? So the originating IP addresses are just not from 127.0.0.1?
[08:56] <ikonia> qih: you can spoof headers....but I'm not sure what your goal is here
[08:56] <ikonia> if you're not on a class C network, why are you trying to pretend you are ?
[08:57] <qih> SO when I do data viz on the server logs, the originating addresses and user agents could be made different.
[08:57] <ikonia> data viz ?
[08:57] <qih> Pretty dull when everything in the logs is'127.0.0.1. Linux blah....'
[08:57] <ikonia> dull ?
[08:57] <qih> Data Visualization of server log data
[08:58] <ikonia> you can create virtual network interfaces on different IP's
[08:58] <ikonia> then force the traffic out of those
[08:58] <ikonia> but I don't see the point
[08:58] <qih> Ah right, k, reading, thanks. I do 8-0
[09:07] <BlueJuicer> Zephyr u there
[09:08] <BlueJuicer> Any here
[09:09] <jatt> gnus
[09:10] <BlueJuicer> anyone know of any good gaming compatable versions of ubuntu
[09:10] <Bassem> BlueJuicer, some told me to install playonlinux
[09:11] <hateball> BlueJuicer: Ubuntu
[09:11] <Bassem> BlueJuicer, https://www.playonlinux.com/en
[09:11] <hateball> That's for Windows only games
[09:11] <bazhang> !steam
[09:12] <BlueJuicer> ty ty
[09:12] <hateball> BlueJuicer: There's nothing specific about a distro that makes them more "gaming compatible" as long as you are using Steam at least
[09:13] <hateball> Games are compiled against the steam runtime
[09:13] <hateball> You might need to enable a PPA to get the latest GPU drivers in Ubuntu, that's about it
[09:13] <BlueJuicer> would you recommend any other OS? f
[09:14] <hateball> BlueJuicer: Ubuntu is the Valve recommend distro, aside from SteamOS
[09:14] <hateball> Even if you get your games from GOG or Humble or whatever, they are usually mostly tested against Ubuntu
[09:15] <BlueJuicer> so ubuntu is a bad choice for extensive gaming
[09:15] <BlueJuicer> how do i disable part messages
[09:15] <hateball> Uh... I don't know how you managed to read that into what I just wrote
[09:16] <BlueJuicer> so annoying lol
[09:16] <BlueJuicer> tested against
[09:16] <BlueJuicer> meaning?>
[09:16] <qih> ikonia: I guess my question was poorly phrased ... seems I should have been asking about "open source performance testing tools or frameworks"
[09:16] <BlueJuicer> work with me here
[09:16] <hateball> BlueJuicer: Meaning that people compiling their native games for Linux tend to do that on Ubuntu, and if you use some exotic distro you are on your own
[09:17] <qih> hateball: Word.
[09:17] <hateball> BlueJuicer: And if you are only gaming through Steam, it's mostly distro agnostic due to the steam runtime
[09:17] <BlueJuicer> well wish me luck
[09:17] <BlueJuicer> ill learn
[09:17] <BlueJuicer> appreciate the time fellas
[09:17] <hateball> BlueJuicer: Are you installing Ubuntu for the first time?
[09:18] <BlueJuicer> no
[09:18] <BlueJuicer> but my previous attempt was short lived
[09:18] <hateball> BlueJuicer: Depending on that brand/model GPU you have, things can be more... painful
[09:18] <hateball> s/that/what/
[09:19] <BlueJuicer> nvidia 7series
[09:19] <hateball> Then you're golden
[09:38] <rafaelcenteio> Hi, I am using an i7 Skylake, the integrated graphic card, Ubuntu 16.04, and an Asus HDMI monitor. after returning from suspending, I get a black screen and have to restart lightdm to get image again. Any help? Thanks in advance.
[09:40] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[09:40] <ducasse> rafaelcenteio: if i'm not mistaken this is a known bug, and a fix is on the way.
[09:40] <rafaelcenteio> ducasse: Ok thanks.
[09:40] <elias_a> Here's the thing I wrote about a moment ago: http://tinypic.com/r/2drt0gh/9
[09:41] <elias_a> Same 52GB disk space is shown both as free space and partition. :O
[09:42] <k1l> elias_a: can you run "sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999" and show the url here?
[09:43] <elias_a> k1l: Sure, from within the faulty system?
[09:43] <k1l> yes
[09:43] <elias_a> k1l: It boots in rescue mode....
[09:43] <elias_a> After waiting the 90 seconds...
[09:43] <elias_a> brb
[09:47] <Orestis> hey guys, I have Ubuntu Gnome 16.04 and I have the following problem: Update-manager does not display all the updates(Software Center shows more). And with the last update of the Software Center I don't even get notifications from the software center. Can anyone help?
[09:47] <ducasse> rafaelcenteio: i checked my email, and that fix has already been pushed to yakkety. it is currently being tested for xenial.
[09:48] <rafaelcenteio> ducasse: Thanks. Is it possible for me to access this mailgroup or receive this kind of news?
[09:49] <elias_a> k1l: Here you go: http://termbin.com/u7ew
[09:51] <elias_a> k1l: You were offline when I pasted so again: http://termbin.com/u7ew
[09:54] <ducasse> rafaelcenteio: i got this in a private mail, sorry, can't find the bug number itself right now.
[09:54] <k1l_> elias_a: well, that paste looks like its ok
[09:55] <rafaelcenteio> ducasse: Ok, thanks.
[09:56] <elias_a> k1l_: So it seems to me too. In spite of that it does not boot properly.
[09:57] <elias_a> I guess there's some kind bug in handling the partitions when booting.
[09:57] <elias_a> I am only able to boot in rescue mode.
[10:01] <k1l_> elias_a: what does the syslog say? what is it not booting?
[10:08] <elias_a> k1l_: My guess is this is the important part: http://pastebin.com/Kyc9dqMa
[10:09] <k1l_> elias_a: "cat /etc/fstab | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:09] <k1l_> elias_a: "sudo blkid | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:10] <k1l_> or better: "sudo blkid -o list | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:11] <elias_a> k1l_: /etc/fstab: http://termbin.com/s99a
[10:12] <elias_a> k1l_: blkid: http://termbin.com/zjv4
[10:13] <elias_a> k1l_: blkid -o list: http://termbin.com/xc92
[10:18] <k1l_> elias_a: hmm. can you show the full syslog?
[10:18] <k1l_> "cat /var/log/syslog | nc termbin.com 9999"
[10:33] <elias_a> k1l_: Just a moment. I already reconfigured grub and did sudo update-initramfs -u
[10:34] <jeus> how can install teamviewer 11 on ubutu16.4
[10:35] <elias_a> k1l_: No help. I am still getting a timeout message and a message saying "Dependency failed for File System" followed by UUID string.
[10:36] <elias_a> k1l_: syslog as per request: http://termbin.com/966p
[10:36] <OerHeks> jeus, get the .deb from their website? it is not in our repositories
[10:37] <elias_a> k1l_: As for me this seems to be a problem in systemd.
[10:37] <OerHeks> jeus, and pay them, as it is commercial now: get support from them
[10:37] <elias_a> Never seen a problem like this before.
[10:38] <elias_a> The nasty thing is that this is a new install. I of course defined the /home partition manually.
[10:41] <k1l_> elias_a: yes, systemd is very picky when it comes to fstab. but i dont see an error there. the uuids are right, from your posts
[10:41] <elias_a> k1l_: That's exactly what puzzles me too.
[10:42] <elias_a> k1l_: As I said, never seen anything like this before. I'm totally clueless. :O
[10:42] <k1l_> did you change the /home after install?
[10:43] <elias_a> k1l_: Nope. I defined it _during_ the installation. Used the expert method or whatever it is called.
[10:44] <elias_a> k1l_: And I repeated the installation already 3 times so it is unlikely I would have done the same error 3 times. :D
[10:44] <OerHeks> k1l_, shouldn't that sda1 105 mb partition for EFI not be FAT32??
[10:44] <elias_a> OerHeks: Might be but this laptop has worked with that partition setup. :)
[10:45] <OerHeks> elias_a, oke thanks, so it has worked, missed that.
[10:46] <elias_a> k1l_: I think I'll give the installer one more go using the option that keeps data in /home intact.
[10:46] <elias_a> ... not that I would know how it would be different from manually defining the /home partition...
[10:46] <elias_a> brb
[10:47] <k1l_> this is definitely some systemd issue. but i dont know why the regular install should fail directly after install
[10:56] <elias_a> k1l_: That's what I try to find out being some sort of FLOSS activist. ;-)
[10:56] <elias_a> Luckily enough reinstall from USB stick to SSD is fast. :)
[11:02] <linux_> xiaolong
[11:04] <adnan> hy
[11:06] <CodFection> hello
[11:06] <adnan> :)
[11:06] <CodFection> whenever I connect my external display,, "ctrl + alt + t and other Fn keys" doesn't work
[11:07] <CodFection> hello?
[11:07] <YankDownUnder> adnan: HDMI, DVI, VGA or DisplayPort?
[11:07] <CodFection> VGA
[11:08] <YankDownUnder> Oops...wrong person...
[11:08] <YankDownUnder> VGA? Right...are you connecting this when the machine is powered off, yes?
[11:08] <elias_a> k1l_: I found out a very likely explanation.
[11:08] <CodFection> yea
[11:08] <YankDownUnder> CodFection: Thought so...just checking.
[11:09] <YankDownUnder> CodFection: Strange one, that.
[11:10] <elias_a> k1l_: I managed to install the OS correctly and booting order. The _only_ difference was that I used the default english keyboard layout instead of switching to finnish layout before starting installation.
[11:10] <elias_a> A very sad bug. :/
[11:11] <elias_a> Have to confirm it. It is likely an internationalization bug. Less likely a localization bug.
[11:13] <OerHeks> elias_a, good find.
[11:13] <CodFection> whenever I connect my external display,, "ctrl + alt + t and other Fn keys" doesn't work
[11:14] <Powerless> does anyone know a similar program to linpopup for linux?
[11:16] <hateball> Powerless: Perhaps if you inform us what said program does
[11:17] <Powerless> hateball, sorry. I need a program that i can send messages to every computer in my network
[11:18] <YankDownUnder> Linpopup/Winpopup...
[11:18] <hateball> Powerless: And what OS' do they run?
[11:18] <Powerless> YankDownUnder, where can download them? i couldnt find them
[11:18] <Powerless> hateball, mostly linux
[11:18] <YankDownUnder> Powerless: Not sure - was just remembering 'em...used to use 'em - long ago.
[11:19] <Powerless> YankDownUnder, i did hear about them but i just cant find them hehe
[11:19] <hateball> Powerless: should be able to script something using notify-send over ssh
[11:21] <Powerless> hateball, thatś above my skills haha
[11:22] <KekSi> what mainboard/cpu/ram/hdd combination should be well-supported to run ubuntu server on?
[11:23] <KekSi> trying to find a low-cost alternative to a server to run on-prem (space or uptime aren't really a big concern but raw calculating power is mostly important - they'd be running as jenkins slaves)
[11:23] <hateball> KekSi: check http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/ or ask in ##hardware
[11:25] <KekSi> so pretty much anything those manufacturers offer with ubuntu desktop i'll likely be to run ubuntu server on?
[11:25] <KekSi> since i don't want to get stuck in some endless closed-source-vendor-supported-driver hell
[11:25] <hateball> KekSi: Yes
[11:25] <elias_a> Now that I've started to introduce problems to you, what is Zeitgeist problem about? "Jul 13 14:23:54 nuovoscuro com.canonical.Unity.Scope.LocalFiles[1287]: (unity-files-daemon:2201): unity-files-daemon-WARNING **: daemon.vala:491: Error performing global search 'virtua': GDBus.Error:org.gtk.GDBus.UnmappedGError.Quark._g_2dio_2derror_2dquark.Code36: GDBus.Error:org.gnome.zeitgeist.EngineError.DatabaseError
[11:25] <Ben64> KekSi: that doesn't happen much with servers, since no gpu, no wifi, etc
[11:25] <elias_a> : Db block overwritten - are there multiple writers?"
[11:25] <elias_a> That's from syslog
[11:28] <KekSi> yeah but i was looking to save a bit of money and buy a couple of desktops rather than another server (since i don't need a secondary PSU, h/w raid or the slim xrackunit form factor)
[11:28] <KekSi> at least i don't need that on those boxes so rather some xeon or i7 processors and the usual 32gb ram or something
[11:32] <KekSi> its been a while since i did something like that and back then the support for all the controllers on mainboards was pityful (regardless of distro)
[11:33] <YankDownUnder> Powerless: You still amongst the living? I might have found you something...
[11:33] <Powerless> YankDownUnder, yes sir
[11:33] <YankDownUnder> Powerless: http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/spark/
[11:34] <Powerless> YankDownUnder, thanks man..will look into it..it needs to pop up in front of them the message cause if its like skype they wont see it haha
[11:35] <YankDownUnder> Powerless: Dig. When you dig, you find. Like treasure.
[11:36] <EriC^^> X
[11:36] <EriC^^> ^ dig here
[11:36] <Powerless> YankDownUnder, amen
[11:40] <morgoth>  HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.4.0-28-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "xenial" 16.04 ** CPU: 1 x Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Solo CPU    U3500  @ 1.40GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.40GHz ** RAM: Physical: 3.8GiB, 73.7% free ** Disk: Total: 13.7GiB, 28.3% free ** VGA: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel ** Ethernet: Qualcomm Atheros AR8131 Gigabit
[11:40] <morgoth> Ethernet ** Uptime: 30m 4s **
[11:41] <JediMaster> I've got a weird one, it looks like there may be malware in on of the official ubuntu packages: keepass2 on xenial
[11:41] <ducasse> morgoth: please keep that to #test or something
[11:44] <JediMaster> BitDefender (for Linux) is insisting that the /usr/lib/keepass2/KeePass.exe from keepass2 package is infected with Variant.Razy.74675, the Debian Jessie version installs without issue
[11:45] <JediMaster> Obviously it could be a false positive, but if not, this is really serious as malware could be installed in a secure password storage program
[11:47] <OerHeks> JediMaster, it matters if you install that exe .. and where did you get Keepass??
[11:47] <ubuntu-mate> dir
[11:47] <ubuntu-mate> cd
[11:47] <JediMaster> OerHeks, apt-get install keepass2
[11:48] <JediMaster> OerHeks, it's directly from the official ubuntu packages
[11:48] <JediMaster> OerHeks, That .exe is used by the linux package
[11:48] <JediMaster> See: http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/all/keepass2/filelist
[11:49] <OerHeks> JediMaster, oke, just checking, as http://sourceforge.net/ is down now for most projects ..
[11:50] <JediMaster> Yeah, has been since yesterday
[11:51] <hateball> JediMaster: Interesting, I copied that .exe to a Windows VM running AV, it also detects virus
[11:51] <RealPanV> Hello
[11:51] <OerHeks> JediMaster, http://itprofesionales.blogspot.nl/2016/07/virus-en-linux.html
[11:52] <OerHeks> about this issue *
[11:52] <JediMaster> hateball, which AV?
[11:52] <JediMaster> OerHeks, yes, that was the only reference I found to it too
[11:52] <hateball> JediMaster: Forticlient, it's called
[11:52] <OerHeks> JediMaster, lets make a bugreport
[11:53] <JediMaster> I was just about to
[11:53] <RealPanV> I am trying to install Ubuntu for my father's laptop, so, because I don't have a USB drive, I partitioned the hard drive and now I have a 6 GB partition which I want to use as a Live environment for Ubuntu. But... Unetbootin won't let me touch it since the only option I have is the hard drive C and not E.
[11:53] <RealPanV> Anybody could help me? Appreciated.
[11:54] <ikonia> Researcher-: thats not a good way to do this
[11:54] <ikonia> Researcher-: just buy a usb stick
[11:54] <ikonia> oops
[11:55] <ikonia> PanV: just buy a usb stick - keep it simple,
[11:55] <ikonia> PanV: doing what you want to do is not an easy setup
[11:55] <PanV> ikonia: It is not actually that simple. I cannot go to a store right now.
[11:55] <ikonia> PanV: ok, go to the store tomorrow
[11:55] <faLUCE> hello. I'm using network manager on lubuntu 16.04 (but what I'm asking should be good for ubuntu too). I created a hotspot, but I don't understand where to configure dhcp. If I go to "edit connections" I can't set dhcp there (it is disabled)
[11:56] <ikonia> faLUCE: dhcp is the default setting for an interface in network manager
[11:56] <PanV> ikonia: I don't own a car, I am a minor, and the nearrest store is probably 1,5 hours by foot.
[11:56] <PanV> :/
[11:56] <ikonia> PanV: ask someone to drive you, buy from a shop with next day delivery
[11:56] <faLUCE> ikonia: I know, but how can I configure it?
[11:56] <faLUCE> I have to assign specific ips to specific macs
[11:56] <ikonia> faLUCE: if it's already dhcp - why are you trying to configure it
[11:57] <PanV> ikonia: geez. I mean waht could possibly go wrong the Windows 7 OS right here is easily replaced.. whatever.
[11:57] <PanV> thanks anyways
[11:57] <ikonia> PanV: it's nothing to do with windows
[11:57] <PanV> I know ikonia
[11:57] <ikonia> then what are you talking about ?
[11:57] <PanV> I meant I don't have a problem destroying this computer
[11:57] <ikonia> so ?
[11:58] <PanV> Well I can take hard setups.
[11:58] <ikonia> clearly you can't
[11:58] <PanV> <3
[11:58] <ikonia> and it's a bad idea to do it that waya
[11:58] <ikonia> the best option is to use external media
[11:58] <PanV> Okay, thanks.
[11:58] <PanV> geez now I don't know how.
[11:58] <ikonia> PanV: you buy a usb stick,
[11:59] <ikonia> PanV: or you use a DVD (if it has a dvd drive)
[11:59] <PanV> *what to do sorryy
[11:59] <k1l_> elias_a: ah, yeah i didnt think about the finnish labels. maybe systemd doenst like that.
[11:59] <OerHeks> JediMaster, hateball , from our german friends http://www.linuxmintusers.de/index.php?topic=35578.0
[11:59] <JediMaster> OerHeks, I've reported it as a security vulnerability
[11:59] <OerHeks> you might want to add this too
[11:59] <ikonia> PanV: what isn't clear ?
[12:00] <PanV> It is not easy for me to get a USB drive at all. Yeah.
[12:00] <ikonia> buy from an online shop with next day delivery
[12:00] <hateball> OerHeks, JediMaster, I uploaded it for a scan: https://www.virustotal.com/sv/file/9456ba3236c05afa7e9d744207fe90420315caa7af4cc77f9f6c4159fb4fba39/analysis/1468410882/
[12:00] <PanV> I am in a rular area
[12:00] <JediMaster> OerHeks, good find
[12:00] <YankDownUnder> No blank CD's laying around to burn?
[12:00] <jakesyl_mobile> Hey, when I try to boot my computer this keeps happening.  How can I fix this? https://imgur.com/a/MYUnU
[12:00] <JediMaster> hateball, oh dear, that's bad
[12:00] <JediMaster> I'll add that to the report hateball
[12:01] <BluesKaj> bet the laptop has no crom
[12:01] <BluesKaj> cdrom
[12:01] <elias_a> k1l_: There should actually be anything language specific in UUID labels. If keyboard setting has an impact on the installation procedure someone has messed things up really hard.
[12:01] <jakesyl_mobile> Who, me?
[12:01] <k1l_> elias_a: yeah, i think the systemd guys messed that up.
[12:02] <elias_a> k1l_: I've been around long enough doing localization so I recognize the scent when I bump into it. :)
[12:02] <OerHeks> avast, clamav, microsoft, trendav,boy lots of vendors don't know about this
[12:02] <k1l_> elias_a: like i said, systemd is even very picky on what is in the fstab. upstart did boot even if partitions in fstab wasnt present. systemd fails to boot.
[12:02] <elias_a> k1l_: Actually there seem to be reports about similar issues that are written by germans. :D
[12:03] <k1l_> might be a umlaut-issue.
[12:03] <elias_a> k1l_: In this case even upstart option did not work. :/
[12:03] <elias_a> k1l_: I don't think so. I don't use umlauts in partition names.
[12:04] <OerHeks> JediMaster, hateball , 9 june http://www.inc.com/will-yakowicz/security-vulnerability-keepass-password-manager.html
[12:04] <elias_a> k1l_: Anyways, it will be extremely interesting to see what really causes this. :D
[12:04] <JediMaster> OerHeks, oh it just gets worse!
[12:05] <faLUCE> ikonia: is it possible to do that with network manager?
[12:05] <jakesyl_mobile> I think if I could drop to initframs and run fsck, I'd be fine
[12:05] <elias_a> k1l_: A deep bow and humble thanks for your help!
[12:05] <ikonia> faLUCE: apologies, I'm not clear what you are asking, could you try again, maybe word it a little different
[12:06] <JediMaster> OerHeks, so this likely means the package manager was duped into downloading an infected version =/
[12:06] <hateball> No it means the one who packaged it did
[12:06] <JediMaster> that's the package manager then?
[12:06] <OerHeks> JediMaster, if you look at hateballs virustotal, lots of vendoes still do not recognise it as today
[12:07] <hateball> JediMaster: package maintainer* :)
[12:07] <hateball> package manager would be apt
[12:07] <JediMaster> sorry yeah =)
[12:07] <OerHeks> it is a variant, what means any infection can be different.
[12:07] <faLUCE> ikonia: I created a hotspot named "myhostpot" with network manager (I used the gui). I can connect clients to it, and they receive their ip address from a default dhcp server (that I don't know where is). However, I want that this hotspot assigns IP1 to MAC1, IP2 to MAC2 etc: where can I configure that?
[12:08] <JediMaster> OerHeks, true, but BitDefender, F-Secure, Kaspersky, McAffee, Panda, Sophos and Symantec all do
[12:09] <ikonia> faLUCE: ahhh, ok, so thats provided by dnsmasq I believe, however I strongly advise you not to do this
[12:09] <faLUCE> ikonia: why
[12:09] <ducasse> OerHeks hateball JediMaster: one of the posts on the german mint site mentions finding several reports of keepass2 triggering false positives. still, it should be investigated.
[12:10] <ikonia> becausae dnsmas is used for a lot of other things, and there are few real situations where you need specific mappings of mac -> IP
[12:10] <tykayn> hi folks
[12:11] <tykayn> i upgraded to the 16.04 version of ubuntu, and since then i have php7 installed. but wierdly now, my php scripts are not executed on localhost. instead i see the source of my php files
[12:11] <tykayn> this is the result of php -v
[12:11] <tykayn> PHP 7.0.4-7ubuntu2.1 (cli) ( NTS )
[12:11] <tykayn> Copyright (c) 1997-2016 The PHP Group
[12:11] <tykayn> Zend Engine v3.0.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2016 Zend Technologies
[12:11] <tykayn>     with Zend OPcache v7.0.6-dev, Copyright (c) 1999-2016, by Zend Technologies
[12:13] <teward> tykayn: you will very likely have to update your web server to point to php7.0 instead of php5
[12:15] <tykayn> teward: hmmm, how can i do that ?
[12:16] <teward> tykayn: what web server?
[12:17] <tykayn>  apachectl -v
[12:17] <tykayn> Server version: Apache/2.4.18 (Ubuntu)
[12:17] <tykayn> Server built:   2016-04-15T18:00:57
[12:17] <teward> tykayn: a2enmod php7
[12:17] <tykayn> ERROR: Module php7 does not exist
[12:17] <teward> erm, 7.0
[12:17] <teward> typo :)
[12:18] <teward> sudo a2enmod php7.0
[12:18] <teward> restart apache
[12:18] <tykayn> does not exist also :/
[12:18] <ioria> tykayn, dpkg -l libapache2-mod-php7.0
[12:19] <tykayn> oh, i had to install it
[12:19] <tykayn> ok
[12:19] <tykayn> yayyy now it works
[12:19] <tykayn> thanks :)
[12:20] <Luka00> Hello people I have Ubuntu 16.04 continues to freeze...it' s possible fix this annoying problem?
[12:21] <tykayn> Luka00: it freezes after sleep ?
[12:21] <tykayn> i have this issue sometimes
[12:21] <Luka00> oh no
[12:23] <Luka00> It happens quite often in a day there is no way to remedy?
[12:23] <EriC^^> Luka00: check "dmesg" when it happens and look for any errors
[12:23] <k1l_> Luka00: we cant help if we dont know what happens. look into the logs like syslog and dmesg in /var/log for errors
[12:24] <Luka00> ok
[12:24] <hateball> Luka00: also check ~/.xsession-errors
[12:25] <hateball> Luka00: And if it's a full system halt, perhaps faulty RAM? Run memtest
[12:25] <Luka00> I try to follow your advice
[12:26] <ioria> Luka00,  and maybe tell us what video card do you have ...
[12:26] <sddc> im now on an initramfs prompt. I know how to fix it, but I dont want to just unplug the cable. shutdown didnt do anything. what command do I need?
[12:27] <EriC^^> sddc: press ctrl+alt+del, or maybe try "exit"
[12:28] <sddc> that worked, thanks
[12:28] <EriC^^> no problem
[12:35] <Luka00> I'm watching syslog but does not know exactly what to watch
[12:35] <lesshaste> my computer is randomly restarting.. is there some log I can look at to guess why?
[12:38] <k1l_> Luka00: then put the whole log into paste.ubuntu.com and show the url here
[12:43] <lesshaste> it seems the nouveau driver randomly restarting my computer
[12:43] <lesshaste> Jul 13 13:34:22 lesshaste-desktop kernel: [  170.577755] nouveau  [  PTHERM][0000:01:00.0] temperature (123 C) hit the 'critical' threshold
[12:43] <lesshaste> Jul 13 13:34:23 lesshaste-desktop kernel: [  171.281409] nouveau  [  PTHERM][0000:01:00.0] temperature (120 C) went below the 'critical' threshold
[12:43] <lesshaste> what can I do
[12:43] <k1l_> lesshaste: that sounds like its getting too hot (120°C +)
[12:44] <lesshaste> k1l_,  well it's been fine for 7 years :)
[12:44] <JediMaster> Where can you find a list of each update for a particular package and when they were released?
[12:44] <k1l_> lesshaste: well, dust fills the coolingsystem and make temperatures getting hotter over time
[12:44] <lesshaste> k1l_,  good point
[12:45] <k1l_> JediMaster: packages.ubuntu.com and search for the package then click on changelog
[12:45] <JediMaster> k1l_, ah yes, there it is =)
[12:45] <JediMaster> thanks
[12:46] <JediMaster> Oh bugger, 20th March 2016 =(
[12:47] <cherif> hi
[12:48] <JediMaster> OerHeks, hateball: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/k/keepass2/keepass2_2.32+dfsg-1/changelog shows it's been out since 20th March =/
[12:48] <JediMaster> I do hope this is only a false positive
[12:49] <Luka00> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19269360/
[12:51] <varaindemian> does ubuntu installer recognize if I have uefi enabled and creates a FAT32 boot partition automatically?
[12:51] <pitiye> guys i have following apt/sources.list
[12:52] <pitiye> http://pastebin.com/3hnhbyhh
[12:52] <pitiye> but i still get E: Unable to locate package lubuntu-desktop
[12:54] <OerHeks> JediMaster, time for 2.34  >> updates now digitally signed (using RSA-4096 / SHA-512); furthermore, it is downloaded over HTTPS
[12:55] <Luka00> Has anyone seen the link?
[12:55] <RanTao> Olá a todos, alguém sabe como listar somente os pacotes instalados pelo usuário?
[12:55] <RanTao> Hello everyone, does anyone know how to list only the user-installed packages
[12:56] <hateball> RanTao: Do you mean packages that have been added after the initial installation?
[12:57] <hateball> !pm | RanTao
[12:57] <JediMaster> OerHeks, Linux version doesn't get it's updates from the keepass server, they're via the Ubuntu packages, so that vulnerability isn't really the issue, however it could have been how the file got infected on the package maintainer's system (if it's not a false positive)
[12:57] <Luka00> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19269360/       syslog
[12:58] <RanTao> hateball: yes, ok
[12:59] <OerHeks> RanTao, apt-mark showmanual
[13:00] <RanTao> OeHeks> thx, solved
[13:04] <pitiye> 1 <pitiye> guys i have following apt/sources.list
[13:04] <pitiye> 18:21 <pitiye> http://pastebin.com/3hnhbyhh
[13:04] <pitiye> 18:21 <pitiye> but i still get E: Unable to locate package lubuntu-desktop
[13:05] <cherif> ho
[13:05] <cherif> hi i am new member
[13:05] <k1l_> pitiye: ran a "sudo apt update"?
[13:05] <pitiye> did many times
[13:05] <pitiye> and this is what i get
[13:05] <pitiye> Hit:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial InRelease
[13:05] <pitiye> Get:2 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security InRelease [94.5 kB]
[13:05] <pitiye> Hit:3 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates InRelease
[13:05] <pitiye> Hit:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-backports InRelease
[13:06] <k1l_> pitiye: wait. you dont have universe enabled for main repos
[13:06] <pitiye> k1l_: ahaa !
[13:06] <k1l_> pitiye: what desktop are you on?
[13:06] <pitiye> lubuntu
[13:07] <k1l_> pitiye: go to their systemsettings and make sure to uncheck and check again the main,restricted and universe and multiverse repos
[13:07] <Luka00> It was not what you were asking?
[13:08] <Dat> hrmm strange I can't watch mkv video on my ubuntu system
[13:09] <pitiye> k1l_: Thanks, now looks like its working
[13:09] <hateball> Dat: what is inside the mkv? x264?
[13:10] <ducasse> Luka00: nothing suspicious there. look at older syslogs, from one that contains info from the time of a crash.
[13:11] <Dat> hateball: i believe so
[13:11] <hateball> Dat: and what are you trying to play it with?
[13:12] <Luka00> ducasse how? Those were the oldest log, the previous ones are not present
[13:12] <Luka00> where I find?
[13:13] <Dat> hateball: vlc
[13:13] <Dat> hateball: vlc complains it doesn't support hecv or something but plays the audio
[13:13] <ducasse> Luka00: in that case wait until the machine crashes, then read the previous log, not the current one.
[13:13] <hateball> Dat: hevc is x265
[13:13] <Luka00> ok
[13:14] <Dat> hateball: how can I get it working?
[13:15] <Luka00> but you know if you are still the previous log or now are lost?
[13:16] <hateball> Dat: Are you on 16.04? VLC should play x265 there
[13:16] <hateball> Dat: here is a sample file to test, altho it isnt in an mkv container https://s3.amazonaws.com/x265.org/video/BigBuckBunny_2000hevc.mp4
[13:16] <ducasse> Luka00: what?
[13:17] <Luka00> I go away, if it happens again I try to copy and display them.
[13:18] <Luka00> I meant the previous log, where I find them? ducasse
[13:18] <Dat> hrmm
[13:19] <ducasse> Luka00: they are in /var/log, older files are .1, .2.gz etc
[13:20] <ducasse> Luka00: read the timestamps in the log, make sure they are from the time of a crash.
[13:20] <luffy> kayn chi maghribi ? ihaz idih lfou9 :D
[13:20] <Dat> hrmm looks like i've messed up vlc and can't reinstall it
[13:21] <Dat> ;/
[13:24] <Luka00> I wait for the next crash I do not remember the exact time
[13:24] <Luka00> thanks for help
[13:24] <Dat> hrmm I did find another app that can play the mkv video tho
[13:25] <Luka00> I hope it does not happen soon :D byeee
[13:28] <varaindemian> does ubuntu installer recognize if I have uefi enabled and creates a FAT32 boot partition automatically?
[13:28] <varaindemian> On what debian version is lts based?
[13:28] <EriC^^> varaindemian: yes
[13:29] <EriC^^> the usb has to be booted in uefi mode though
[13:29] <Dat> hateball: looks like vlc 2.2.1 wont be able to get the plugin to play mkv video
[13:29] <Dat> but 2.1.x can
[13:31] <xenomader> where's everyone?
[13:31] <geowolf> y a des francais
[13:31] <geowolf> ?
[13:31] <hateball> !fr | geowolf
[13:31] <geowolf> ok merci
[13:32] <hateball> Dat: no that should work
[13:33] <hateball> Dat: try this sample for instance http://jell.yfish.us/media/jellyfish-3-mbps-hd-hevc.mkv
[13:34] <OerHeks> here totem plays better than vlc
[13:36] <msvb-lab> A little lost (sorry) but I'm looking for some official collaboration from Canonical for a few forthcoming educational events. Anyone know who the contact would be for workshops featuring Snappy/IoT?
[13:36] <msvb-lab> Seems the role of community manager has not been filled since Jono?
[13:37] <Dat> hateball: I need to re-install vlc but having issues
[13:37] <Dat> hateball: keeps saying I have held packages
[13:38] <hateball> Dat: did you upgrade to 16.04 from an older version? have you kept old PPAs around?
[13:38] <hateball> Dat: do "apt-cache policy <package>" on the packages it complains about
[13:38] <hateball> !paste | Dat
[13:39] <hateball> Feel free to paste the output if you are uncertain
[13:41] <deebo> where can i force grub2 partition when using the autoamtic partitioting with lvm+luks?
[13:42] <deebo> the installer detects the partition as "/dev/nvme" when it should be "/dev/nvme0n1", and the dialog to correct this after the error does not work at all
[13:42] <deebo> (and hasnt since forever)
[13:43] <cherif> coucou
[13:44] <Dat> hateball: install from a ppa now i can see video
[13:45] <Dat> hateball: do you have a method of converting an mkv video to mpeg2 or mp4 from a usb stick to play on a tv?
[13:46] <hateball> Dat: I think you can do that sort of stuff using Handbrake, but it's nothing I do myself
[13:46] <Dat> hrmm ok
[13:47] <hateball> Dat: Does the TV support DLNA?
[13:47] <hateball> Dat: If so you could transcode from your computer to it, over the network
[13:47] <Dat> hrmm i dont think it has DLNA
[13:50] <bingo> hi. Is it possible to force ubuntu to always boot into safe mode without prompting?
[13:52] <EriC^> bingo: what do you mean by safemode
[13:53] <bingo> Eric^ recovery mode
[13:53] <EriC^> why do you want to do that?
[13:54] <bingo> issues with my drivers
[13:54] <EriC^> you need to use nomodeset ?
[13:54] <bingo> I have tried that.
[13:54] <EriC^> oh
[13:55] <EriC^> you can set grub to always boot into recovery mode, but i think you'll have to manually use the menu there to continue
[13:55] <EriC^> maybe there's another way though
[13:56] <Luka00> Hello It crashed again at 15:44 http://paste.ubuntu.com/19273837/
[13:56] <bingo> thanks for your help. I suppose a menu isn't the worst thing ever.
[13:56] <EriC^> bingo: maybe there's a kernel parameter you can pass so it continues
[13:56] <Luka00> I do not know what might help.
[13:57] <joelio> bingo: what's the issue with the drivers?
[13:57] <joelio> is it that splash that causes the issue?
[13:58] <bingo> joelio not entirely sure. I tried installing coreos and it was asking for proprietery drivers.
[13:59] <EriC^> bingo: no problem
[13:59] <joelio> bingo: coreos on ubuntu?!
[13:59] <joelio> coreos is a full os isn't it? :)
[14:00]  * joelio strokes LXD
[14:00] <Dat> hrmmm this sucks abit
[14:00] <bingo> No coreos on my machine. It was not the graphical version.
[14:00] <bingo> *core OS
[14:01] <joelio> coreos the docker specific operating system? I'm not sure how you install that on ubuntu
[14:01] <joelio> it's like saying installing slackware on ubuntu (without any virt)
[14:01] <joelio> unless I misunderstand
[14:01] <bingo> wasn't installing it on ubuntu. I tried installing it on its own.
[14:01] <ycyclist> Looks like purge is what I needed to take out all old openjdk.
[14:01] <Luka00> syslog does not mention anything about that hour of crash 15:44 :(
[14:01] <bingo> It worked, but the graphical version failed.
[14:01] <bingo> I need more than commandline for my stuff tho.
[14:01] <ycyclist> sudo apt-get purge openjdk-\*
[14:02] <hateball> Luka00: what does crash mean? does the system freeze so you have to cycle power?
[14:02] <Luka00> yes
[14:02] <Luka00> hateball
[14:02] <hateball> Luka00: did you run a memtest?
[14:03] <Luka00> no
[14:03] <ducasse> bingo: is this a problem with coreos or with ubuntu?
[14:04] <bingo> ubuntu. Core OS is only relevant cause it was specific about the drivers.
[14:05] <kia> is there any online video tutorial for linux kernal programming or linux device drivers??
[14:05] <Luka00> I never have done this thing I should try
[14:06] <safari> hi everyone! I just lost an external drive under ubuntu after a power failure corrupted the disk... I'm getting a small new seagate external with good life, but if Im really only a linux user what's the best format for the new drive?
[14:08] <wkhuahuo> hello
[14:09] <wkhuahuo> hello Drone
[14:09] <pitiye> guys i get this error "Package blueman is not configured yet."  how to debug this ?
[14:09] <wkhuahuo> any body in?
[14:11] <Luka00> hateball I try memtest although I do not think my ram has problems
[14:11] <hateball> Luka00: what type of storage are you using?
[14:11] <hateball> Luka00: ssd?
[14:12] <Luka00> hdd
[14:13] <Luka00> why?
[14:17] <ducasse> safari: ext4
[14:21] <Luka00> ...
[14:25] <Luka00> I try memtest byee
[14:28] <ycyclist> http://pastie.org/10906125
[14:30] <ycyclist> I presume it just doesn't work when there is only one item, but it seemed like it was worth asking.
[14:33] <rypervenche> saitoh183: saitoh183_: No, just restart Apache.
[14:41] <dbugger> Does anyone know how to install them icon them Papirus? I followed this instructions, but after it, nothing happened: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/07/how-to-install-papirus-icon-theme-ubuntu
[14:42] <OerHeks> dbugger, you might need to logout / login to use that theme
[14:43] <dbugger> OerHeks, I already restarted the whole machine
[14:44] <ducasse> dbugger: do you mean you can't select the icon theme in settings?
[14:44] <dbugger> ducasse, where in the settings?
[14:45] <ducasse> dbugger: which desktop/wm?
[14:45] <dbugger> ubuntu 16.10, out of the box
[14:45] <dbugger> sorry 16.04
[14:46] <ducasse> dbugger: plain ubuntu? i don't use unity, but i expect it has settings for 'appearance' or something similar.
[14:47] <ycyclist> http://pastie.org/10906125
[14:49] <ducasse> ycyclist: you might get better luck if you just explain your problem here...
[14:50] <ycyclist> Well, the step was to update alternatives for java and javac.  Both of these failed with the diagnostic you see.
[14:50] <ycyclist> Is this expected?
[14:50] <ycyclist> If not, am I doing it wrong?  Is the tutorial / instruction mistaken?
[14:50] <OerHeks> maybe you need unity-tweak-tool for that, not sure
[14:51] <OerHeks> dbugger, ^^. as the system seetting do give themes, but not icon themes seperate
[14:51] <ycyclist> update-alternatives --set java /usr/local/java/jdk1.8.0_91/jre/bin/java update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for java
[14:53] <saitoh183_> im having a issue importing a 28mb db using phpmyadmin
[14:53] <saitoh183_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19277184/
[14:53] <saitoh183_> just get a blank page
[14:55] <joelio> saitoh183_: do you have php max size set or something in php.ini?
[14:55] <joelio> oh, that looks like an actual failure
[14:56] <Jack543> Hello!
[14:56] <soulez> Where in launchpad.net can I request a petition to add a feature in ubiquity installer to make possible install ubuntu in a preencrypted hard disk out of the box like fedora or centos installer, it is a very usefull option
[14:56] <saitoh183_> joelio: yes
[15:00] <dbugger> So I cant set the icons, with Unity?
[15:00] <saitoh183_> joelio: http://paste.ubuntu.com/19278449/
[15:01] <xangua> dbugger: install unity tweak tool as you were told
[15:01] <dbugger> oh i have it already. let me see
[15:02] <dbugger> Indeed that did it
[15:02] <dbugger> thanks you!
[15:04] <joelio> saitoh183_: not fastcgi timeouts too.. php one part, but perhaps another part has timeouts set too
[15:05] <joelio> looks like it's being disrupted during load
[15:05] <joelio> but that could also be SQL that's making the parser b0rk
[15:05] <joelio> saitoh183_: have you managed to ingest that dataset ok locally
[15:05] <joelio> also, what's wrong with a
[15:06] <joelio> mysql -u blah -p < file.sql ?
[15:06] <joelio> (assuming cli access)
[15:07] <andrzej> joelio: if not CLI he can use this https://www.adminer.org/ one php file with mysql admin
[15:08] <Jack543> Hello!
[15:08] <Jack543> Developer C?
[15:12] <saitoh183_> joelio: i didnt try via CLI but i could
[15:13] <Pici> Jack543: if you're asking about programming in C, the channel is ##C
[15:15] <joelio> saitoh183_: yea, cli all the way, always going to be quicker than using http and interpretted languages to load mysql
[15:19] <saitoh183_> joelio: what would be the proper command? My sql file is in my home folder
[15:20] <joelio> mysql -u {username in database } -p < {path to mysql file}
[15:20] <joelio> the -p prompts for password
[15:20] <paranoidabhi> hi
[15:20] <joelio>  the < is a shell redicrection
[15:20] <paranoidabhi> questoin: http://askubuntu.com/questions/795169/kde-slow-boot-on-kubuntu-16-04
[15:20] <paranoidabhi> *question
[15:20] <paranoidabhi> please have a look. :)
[15:21] <paranoidabhi> I have posted it several times.
[15:21] <joelio> a 5400rpm HD isn't the quicket you know...
[15:22] <paranoidabhi> joelio, yeah but 2:30 is still way long
[15:23] <saitoh183_> joelio: ERROR 1046 (3D000) at line 29: No database selected do i have to create a empty db?
[15:23] <paranoidabhi> joelio, windows on dual boot takes 45 secs.
[15:23] <joelio> saitoh183_: ok, so add the db
[15:23] <joelio> mysql -u blah -p {database}  < file.sql
[15:23] <Powerless> i am trying to send this line and it says connection refused. how to allow it? echo "test" | ssh walluser@IP wall
[15:24] <paranoidabhi> I can't find anyway to fix it. I very tired finding solutions. Please suggest any relevant directions.
[15:24] <joelio> paranoidabhi: have you tried adding that module you say is faully (wifi or ethernet?) to a blacklist and see if it boots quicker
[15:25] <paranoidabhi> joelio, thanks for the suggestion. I haven't, can you suggest how I can do that.
[15:26] <joelio> paranoidabhi: yea, just checking for 16.04.. normall it's in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[15:26] <tahder> good morning, I'm installing ubuntu 16.04 LTS on my lenovo desktop. I'm currently stuck on the partitioning table.I have 16004 MG of free space and i can't seem to get it right. i divide the space up as follows: 7967mb ext4,primary,beg, mount / : 34 efi,logical,beg : 8002 swap,logical,beg. And it keeps switching between errors of: root system not defined, swap area failed, or efi boot needs to be defined (that was before I added
[15:26] <tahder> it. Any help would be much appreciated
[15:28] <joelio> paranoidabhi: yea, /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist is where you can put it 'blacklist r8169' and give that a try
[15:28] <joelio> you won't get any nic - but at least if it goes quick, then you know why it's slwo booting
[15:28] <joelio> and bet a usb nic for cheap if you need or something
[15:28] <saitoh183_> joelio:will i need a new db
[15:29] <paranoidabhi> joelio, is it blacklist.conf  in 16.04?
[15:29] <joelio> saitoh183_: well if your SQL doesn't have a CREATE DB func at the top
[15:29] <joelio> yes, also, check the user has perms to create the db.. but just use the same credentials as what you were useing
[15:29] <joelio> that should be fine
[15:29] <joelio> paranoidabhi: I think so, yea, look inside it and check
[15:30] <joelio> paranoidabhi: tbh I don't that that will be it
[15:30] <joelio> as that dmesg spam looks like it runs at all times
[15:30] <joelio> but not my machine :)
[15:32] <paranoidabhi> joelio, the spam occurs on disconnecting the ethernet cable not always.
[15:37] <dutchie> Hi, I'm having some trouble with a custom PAM module I've put into /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security (where all the other PAM modules are). auth.log seems to indicate that it's looking in /lib/security, but that doesn't even exist. Do I need to do more than just dropping my .so in place?
[15:37] <dutchie> (this is on 14.04)
[15:40] <gnumonk> Hi
[15:41] <gnumonk> what is the "cgroup                                       7.7G     0  7.7G   0% /sys/fs/cgroup" in df -kh output
[15:42] <nacc> gnumonk: cgroup filesystem https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/cgroup-v1/cgroups.txt
[15:42] <nacc> gnumonk: it's a virtual file system (like /proc and /sys)
[15:42] <anddam> is there a way to have usb devices belonging to a specific group the same way block devices belong to group disk?
[15:42] <c0ax> Hello there, can someone help me?
[15:43] <gnumonk> nacc: ok its had actully reserved 7.7 GB disk space?
[15:44] <nacc> gnumonk: no
[15:44] <sahil> hello
[15:44] <DJones> c0ax: Ask your question in the channel, until you do that, people won't  know if they can help
[15:44] <ducasse> anddam: i guess you could set up a udev rule
[15:44] <nacc> gnumonk: i'm guessing it will look similar to the other tmpfs filesystems in size
[15:45] <gnumonk> nacc:  So I have confusion here, lsblk shows hard disk size let say "100GB" but df -kh shows 84G, where 7 GB for tmpfs and 7GB for cgroups.
[15:45] <sahil> i am running ubuntu gnome based on ubuntu 13.10.i would like to know to to upgrade it to latest version. thanks
[15:46] <c0ax> I have problem with my ubuntu 16.04. Ive installed openssh clinet/server and netstat -tulpn says that 22 is running ive added rule to the iptables also ufw allow 22. But im not able to connect to it from other computer on the SAME network. I can ping it, but cant connect
[15:46] <gnumonk> sahil: upgrade to 14.04 first.
[15:46] <ducasse> gnumonk: no, because cgroupfs is not a real filesystem.
[15:46] <sahil> pardon i guess its based on 14.04.. however how to check it?
[15:47] <nacc> !ltsupgrade | sahil
[15:47] <andrzej> sahil: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TrustyUpgrades
[15:47] <sipior> c0ax: and if you temporarily disable the firewall?
[15:47] <nacc> sahil: to check your current release `lsb_release -a` (if you want to share that output use pastebin)
[15:47] <anddam> ducasse: but there's no builtin for that already, right?
[15:47] <c0ax> so iptables -F then to restart ssh?
[15:47] <nacc> codepython777: are you trying to connect as root?
[15:48] <andrzej> sahil: cat /etc/*release*
[15:48] <nacc> codepython777: sorry!
[15:48] <nacc> c0ax: are you trying to connect as root?
[15:48] <c0ax> no
[15:48] <c0ax> Ive disabled that
[15:48] <anddam> ducasse: namely I was doing lsusb and that made me think to adding my user to a specific group to avoid using sudo
[15:48] <ducasse> anddam: not that i know of, but i have never looked. easy to make, though.
[15:48] <joelio> aren't they in 'plugdev' group - or handled via udev
[15:48] <c0ax> now when I did iptables -F I cannot even ping that computer
[15:49] <gnumonk> ducasse: so then why there is diff between lsblk outout and df
[15:49] <sahil> lsb_release -a says its 15:10
[15:49] <andrzej> sahil: so you have 15.10
[15:49] <andrzej> sahil: update directly to 16.04
[15:49] <kristian_on_linu> hi all
[15:49] <sahil> ah so how can i get to 16:10
[15:49] <christoffer> hi guys
[15:49] <ducasse> gnumonk: lsblk lists block devices, and cgroupfs isn't one.
[15:50] <c0ax> nacc, sipior anything?
[15:50] <kristian_on_linu> anyone else suddenly got a "Dropbox would like to be installed" message?
[15:50] <kristian_on_linu> (I've had DB for ages)
[15:50] <sahil> ubuntugnome.org says theres 16:10 available
[15:50] <andrzej> sahil: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-15-10-to-16-04-lts
[15:50] <nacc> sahil: 16.10 just had alpha1, you don't want it yet.
[15:50] <sahil> thank you :)
[15:50] <andrzej> sahil: you want to go to 16.04 for stable
[15:51] <andrzej> sahil: 16.10 will be released in october
[15:51] <sipior> c0ax: it would be difficult to say more without knowing your setup.
[15:51] <christoffer> Is there a way to retrieve my files from windows 19 home even when it will not start up?
[15:51] <christoffer> 10
[15:51] <saitoh183_> joelio: Thks for the help
[15:51] <andrzej> christoffer: yes, mount the drive and there you have it
[15:51] <EriC^^> christoffer: yeah
[15:52] <c0ax> What you want to know? I have installed it 25mins ago. I have installed a openssh running on 22 port. Also dhcp enabled
[15:52] <joelio> saitoh183_: did it work? cool
[15:52] <rypervenche> christoffer: Depends. You should be able to get them off if you simply mount the drive.
[15:52] <christoffer> how do I mount it?
[15:52] <gnumonk> ducasse: ok, does cfgroups reserve some GB like tmpfs?
[15:52] <EriC^^> christoffer: try in the file manager pressing on the partition
[15:52] <ducasse> gnumonk: tmpfs uses ram, not disk.
[15:52] <joelio> gnumonk: no, cgroups are overlays
[15:52] <saitoh183_> joelio: i Think i will check out Adminer because a GUI is useful when i dont have CLI access remotly
[15:52] <christoffer> An error occurred while accessing '1.8 TiB Hard Drive', the system responded: The requested operation has failed: Error mounting /dev/sda2 at /media/christoffer/3268581A6857DAE5: Command-line `mount -t "ntfs" -o "uhelper=udisks2,nodev,nosuid,uid=1000,gid=1000" "/dev/sda2" "/media/christoffer/3268581A6857DAE5"' exited with non-zero exit status 14: The disk contains an unclean file system (0, 0).
[15:52] <christoffer> Metadata kept in Windows cache, refused to mount.
[15:52] <christoffer> Failed to mount '/dev/sda2': Operation not permitted
[15:52] <christoffer> The NTFS partition is in an unsafe state. Please resume and shutdown
[15:53] <christoffer> Windows fully (no hibernation or fast restarting), or mount the volume
[15:53] <christoffer> read-only with the 'ro' mount option.
[15:53] <nacc> !paste | christoffer
[15:53] <andrzej> christoffer: ntfsfix /dev/sda2
[15:53] <yw> hello all, can someone share practical clues how to make a snapshot of the exiting ubuntu 16.04 install so it can be used as an image in cloud like AWS ?
[15:53] <andrzej> christoffer: sudo ntfsfix /dev/sda2
[15:53] <sipior> c0ax: and you've verified the service is running? what happens if you try "telnet <server hostname> 22" from the remote machine?
[15:53] <EriC^^> christoffer: try in the terminal sudo mount -o ro /dev/sda2 /mnt
[15:53] <chudak> hello all, can someone share practical clues how to make a snapshot of the exiting ubuntu 16.04 install so it can be used as an image in cloud like AWS ?
[15:53] <andrzej> EriC^^: manual will not work probably, let him do ntfsfix
[15:53] <EriC^^> christoffer: andrzej no
[15:54] <andrzej> EriC^^: works for me
[15:54] <EriC^^> andrzej: it's probably in a hibernated state cause of the windows shutdown feature
[15:54] <EriC^^> andrzej: ntfsfix fixes that?
[15:54] <andrzej> EriC^^: not always and yes
[15:54] <andrzej> EriC^^: for me sometimes windows just locks the partition even if I will close it correclty
[15:55] <christoffer> Now I have access thanks alot
[15:55] <gnumonk> ducasse: joelio Thanks
[15:55] <andrzej> EriC^^: see :)
[15:55] <paybacc> hi
[15:55] <andrzej> christoffer: no problem
[15:55] <c0ax> sipior, it prompts openssh
[15:55] <andrzej> paybacc: hi
[15:55] <c0ax> its connected
[15:55] <sipior> c0ax: great, it works.
[15:56] <c0ax> That was when I tryed from another linux machine
[15:56] <c0ax> but if I try it from windows with putty it says nothing
[15:56] <sipior> c0ax: you can login via ssh from the remote linux machine, but not from windows?
[15:57] <dwigton_> I am attempting to usb tether a dell inspiron n5110 running ubuntu 15.10 to my android phone. The connection shows up as a grayed out ethernet connection that just says "disconnected" There is no option to connect. How to enable?
[15:57] <c0ax> No. sipior telnet from linux machine works but ssh not
[15:58] <c0ax> telnet and ssh from windows no
[15:58] <paybacc> what is usb tether
[15:58] <sipior> c0ax: then try specifying the "-v" switch with ssh.
[15:59] <c0ax> ssh -v username@ip ?
[15:59] <andrzej> dwigton_: I am using https://github.com/oblique/create_ap for that
[15:59] <sipior> c0ax: yep.
[15:59] <c0ax> kk
[15:59] <dwigton_> paybacc: connecting the phone to the laptop via usb to share an internet connection.
[15:59] <andrzej> dwigton_: ubuntu theter didn't work for me either
[15:59] <tahder>  good morning, I'm installing ubuntu 16.04 LTS on my lenovo desktop. I'm currently stuck on the partitioning table.I have 16004 MG of free space and i can't seem to get it right. i divide the space up as follows: 7967mb ext4,primary,beg, mount / : 34 efi,logical,beg : 8002 swap,logical,beg. And it keeps switching between errors of: root system not defined, swap area failed, or efi boot needs to be defined (that was before I added
 it. Any help would be much appreciated
[16:00] <andrzej> dwigton_: after installing create_ap do sudo create_ap wifi0 eth0 PRIVATE-HOTSPOT password
[16:00] <joelio> I used tethering to 3g when my dsl->fibre.. it comes up as a usb0 device
[16:00] <nacc> tahder: is there any reason you can't accept the defaults?
[16:00] <joelio> you need to specifiy tethering on the phone, but the rest 'just works'
[16:00] <tahder> there is no option to otherwise i would
[16:01] <dwigton_> andrzej: That turns your laptop into a hotspot?
[16:01] <dwigton_> Isn't that the otherway around from what I need?
[16:01] <andrzej> dwigton_: yeah with password protected wifi
[16:01] <joelio> I think dwigton_ needs computer->phone tehterhing, phone providing ip
[16:01] <andrzej> dwigton_: ubuntu hotspot worked for me but only without password
[16:02] <andrzej> joelio: aa you are right
[16:02] <dwigton_> joelio: Yes.
[16:02] <joelio> (I think!) if so, when you plugin the phone, with USB tethering enabled on the phone.. check dmesg and run ifconfig -a
[16:02] <joelio> it should show up as usb0
[16:02] <joelio> and get an ip address assingned automatically
[16:02] <andrzej> dwigton_: sorry, the thing that I gave you is for using your laptop as a hotspot
[16:03] <dwigton_> joelio: I did I think the one I get is wlp9s0
[16:03] <joelio> ah, consistent device naming :D
[16:03] <joelio> lol
[16:04] <dwigton_> joelio: whoops no it actually comes up as eht0
[16:04] <dwigton_> weird.
[16:04] <joelio> eth0, that is strange
[16:04] <dwigton_> sorry eth0
[16:05] <joelio> does it get an ip bound to the interface?
[16:05] <joelio> the phone acts as a small dhcp server and gives out ip
[16:05] <dwigton_> no
[16:05] <joelio> ok and the phone is definitely set to tethering mode
[16:05] <dwigton_> yes
[16:05] <joelio> sometimes mine would revert back to charging
[16:05] <joelio> hrm, ok
[16:06] <dwigton_> can it not do both?
[16:06] <joelio> yea, it'll charge as it's tethered, but it's a different mode
[16:06] <joelio> tethering == charging + tehtering
[16:06] <joelio> chargin == just charging
[16:06] <dwigton_> the login screen shows tethering active
[16:07] <joelio> maybe networkmanager doing something strange.. mine was plugged into old headless laptop that served my vpm/hostapd
[16:07] <joelio> and no networkmanager running
[16:08] <joelio> not sure what the issue would be, would need to check in logs, see if there's anything strange listed
[16:08] <joelio> when you plugin the device etc.
[16:08] <joelio> look at dmesg/syslog etc.
[16:10] <dwigton_> joelio: is that a log somewhere?
[16:11] <dwigton_> i have an empty /var/log/dmesg but no var/log/dmesg/syslog
[16:11] <joelio> dwigton_: yea, you can just type 'dmesg'
[16:11] <tahder> is there anyone available to help with my partitioning troubles
[16:12] <joelio> dwigton_: the dmesg log can get roated out by logrotate sometimes I've noticed.. or if it's been up a while
[16:13] <joelio> tahder: did you use guided paritioning (auto) or do it yourself
[16:13] <joelio> I notice EFI listed too :/ always fun
[16:13] <tahder> joelio, there is no option for guided partitioning, so I'm doing it myself
[16:14] <joelio> tahder: there definitely is, or should be :)
[16:14] <k1l_> tahder: do you have already 4 primary partitions on that disk=
[16:14] <k1l_> ?
[16:14] <joelio> +1 k1l_
[16:14] <tahder> there isn't; i know there should be
[16:14] <joelio> maybe EFI is making it go awry
[16:15] <joelio> but... should... work.....
[16:15] <ducasse> tahder: which image are you using?
[16:15] <tahder> i erase them again, k1l, but i had 3
[16:15] <c0ax> sipior, windows telnet not working
[16:16] <c0ax> sipior, ssh -v says connection established and nothing happens
[16:16] <tahder> ubuntu says EFI has to be there
[16:16] <c0ax> list some stuffs and thats it
[16:16] <k1l_> tahder: are you in live mode? open a terminal and do "sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999" and show the  url here
[16:16] <e-vent> Quick question for anyone that knows? Has xenial got support for hot updating kernels now?
[16:16] <e-vent> I know 4.4 should be able
[16:16] <tahder> yes, one sec
[16:16] <joelio> e-vent: kexec you mean.. yes
[16:16]  * joelio assumes
[16:16] <c0ax> sipior, ?
[16:17] <e-vent> unsure, I haven't looked at it in several months.
[16:17] <hggdh> e-vent: not that I heard about
[16:17] <sipior> c0ax: well, if the connection is established, all should be well.
[16:17] <c0ax> its not working..
[16:17] <dwigton_> joelio: http://termbin.com/eei2
[16:17] <c0ax> Or why its not working from windows
[16:18] <c0ax> Also sipior now I see I cannot even ping 8.8.8.8
[16:18] <e-vent> i was meaning this: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/no-reboot-kernel-patching-and-why-you-should-care
[16:18] <sipior> c0ax: you should check the debugging options for your windows ssh client.
[16:18] <joelio> I've used kexec quite a bit.. you can use kexec-tools and the installer will ask it you want to change the reboot level to use kexec.. if it's ksplice, then maybe not....
[16:18] <e-vent> I know RHEL has it, but was wondering about ubuntu's support.
[16:18] <sipior> c0ax: if it is partially connecting, check the server logs as well and see if anything useful is there.
[16:18] <Jack543> Hello!
[16:18] <Jack543> Developer C?
[16:19] <e-vent> i.e. kpatch I guess
[16:19] <c0ax> ok sipior thanks
[16:19] <joelio> e-vent: yea, I think that's different to kexec.. afaiu
[16:19] <e-vent> Yeah I thought so too.
[16:20] <e-vent> In effect, if it isn't able to patch the kernel in place and reroute to it without a reboot
[16:20] <e-vent> its not what I mean
[16:20] <hggdh> e-vent: I do not think we already use kernel patches.
[16:20] <e-vent> (I am working on a gateway.)
[16:20] <joelio> e-vent: kexec still quicker to reboot.. don't have to wait for full POST etc, but sure.. it's not what you referenced
[16:20] <e-vent> joelio, its not
[16:20] <MonkeyDust> Jack543  type /j ##c++
[16:21] <brunch8751> I'm running out of disk space. Is it bad?
[16:21] <e-vent> I am meaning no reboot nor any downtime on processes.
[16:21] <hggdh> joelio: it does not matter. kexec means "reboot". kernel patching is dynamic.
[16:21] <k1l_> brunch8751: yes
[16:21] <brunch8751> Should I free up stuff or is it ok to just leave it like this?
[16:21] <e-vent> brunch8751, depends
[16:21] <e-vent> do you need more space?
[16:21] <brunch8751> not really, no
[16:21] <e-vent> what is your disk config?
[16:21] <Jack543> MonkeyDust: exist /j #C?
[16:21] <e-vent> i.e. have you got filesystems on multiple disks?
[16:21] <eycsigfy> What does ubuntu server use for network management on 16.04
[16:21] <brunch8751> I have ubuntu on a SSD 120GB
[16:22] <e-vent> eycsigfy, last time I checked iptables
[16:22] <brunch8751> I put all games there too so that they're faster
[16:22] <eycsigfy> e-vent› so how do I restart networking?
[16:22] <brunch8751> I also have a bigger, regular hard drive
[16:22] <e-vent>  /etc/init.d/networking restart
[16:22] <e-vent> from memory
[16:22] <brunch8751> which I use as "storage"
[16:22] <e-vent> brunch8751, you might wish to put your /home partition onto that hard drive
[16:23] <brunch8751> is it bad if I don't?
[16:23] <brunch8751> Will ubuntu start failing?
[16:23] <e-vent> but it depends on what stuff you want to keep fast
[16:23] <e-vent> SSD is ideally for programs
[16:23] <brunch8751> home contains games
[16:23] <e-vent> hard drive for storage
[16:23] <e-vent> brunch8751, exactly
[16:23] <brunch8751> I thought about moving /opt there
[16:23] <e-vent> that would work
[16:23] <e-vent> but again, it depends on what you need to be speedy
[16:23] <brunch8751> but I don't really know how mounting works too much
[16:23] <joelio> hggdh: sure, I find kexec works better for me as I don't need to wait for the glacial POST cycles that modern servers have in them.. and all the crappy firmware to initialise (meh). So there is a gain, but yes, not what op was asking fro
[16:24] <Jack543> sudo service networking restart
[16:24] <e-vent> joelio, yeah its got a UEFI so kexec should be pacey
[16:24] <brunch8751> I'm fine being out of space, cause then I can free up when I want to install new programs
[16:24] <brunch8751> my concern is whether ubuntu is going to start choking
[16:24] <tahder> okay, k1l, here it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/19284859/
[16:24] <e-vent> but ultimately I'm avoiding any downtime on network traffic
[16:24] <e-vent> brunch8751, eh, in short
[16:24] <e-vent> not likely
[16:25]  * brunch8751 shrugs
[16:25] <e-vent> but if you run out of RAM and swap at the same time you will be in trouble
[16:25] <joelio> e-vent: well, I'd make 2 boxen and balance, but sure... :)
[16:25] <compdoc> put your OS on the ssd, and the rest for storage
[16:25] <e-vent> joelio, that is fair
[16:25] <e-vent> but I kinda dont wanna CARP
[16:25] <brunch8751> but there's a partition for swap which I cannot use
[16:25] <joelio> some cool BGP tricks you can do too
[16:25] <brunch8751> so swap should be fine, right?
[16:25]  * joelio ducks
[16:25] <e-vent> lol, I really don't wanna get into it that far :)
[16:25] <brunch8751> 20GB on it according to disks
[16:25] <e-vent> 20GB should be plenty
[16:26] <e-vent> I wouldn't worry about it unless you see some poor performance
[16:26] <willcani> Hi everyone ! I have a freezing problem on 16.04 (complete freeze, not just UI, can't access it via ssh). And the syslog is unreadable at the interesting point. Any hints ?
[16:26] <e-vent> you local or remote?
[16:26] <e-vent> if local try accessing another terminal
[16:26] <e-vent> Ctrl Alt 1
[16:26] <e-vent> or 2
[16:26] <e-vent> etc...
[16:27] <willcani> yes local. and nothing respond
[16:27] <e-vent> anyone know if there's a ubuntu timetable for the kpatch stuff?
[16:27] <e-vent> willcani, sounds very dead
[16:27] <willcani> :/
[16:27] <e-vent> check the syslog on reboot
[16:27] <e-vent> see if something told you why it died
[16:27] <willcani> yes and at the timestamp of the freezing all I have is "\00" characters
[16:28] <e-vent> if syslog isnt being co operative check kernel
[16:28] <willcani> same thing on kernel :(
[16:28] <e-vent> interesting
[16:28] <brunch8751> 15% disk usage in trash, jackpot
[16:28] <e-vent> sounds like a hardware issue then
[16:28] <e-vent> since its literally completely died instantly
[16:28] <e-vent> ah yeah brunch8751
[16:28] <e-vent> taking the trash out is more than a household chore
[16:28] <willcani> i have an Nvidia gpu, maybe it is linked ?
[16:29] <brunch8751> extra 10% in the Downloads folder
[16:29] <e-vent> Perhaps willcani if you have a spare GPU
[16:29] <e-vent> try running one
[16:29] <brunch8751> I guess I won't have to remount anything!
[16:29] <willcani> okay
[16:29] <e-vent> swap out as many parts as needed to find the thing that is breaking it
[16:29] <e-vent> try memtest also
[16:29] <e-vent> brunch8751, for future you might want to have the linux equiv of windirstat on hand
[16:29] <willcani> i'll use the integrated chipset, but that sounds bad for gaming :)
[16:29] <e-vent> kdirstat?
[16:30] <e-vent> willcani, it will be
[16:30] <e-vent> but you're trying to work out if you have a hardware problem :)
[16:30] <joelio> e-vent: assume it's on the way - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kpatch
[16:30] <willcani> if it is the gpu, should i just throw it ?
[16:30] <tahder> k1l, okay so i just tried to unplug the usb that I was installing from and then instlall and it says i need at  least 8.6gb to install and i had 0.0 but that isn't true
[16:30] <e-vent> nioce
[16:31] <willcani> well, anyway, thanks for the tip, i'll try that
[16:31] <willcani> see you
[16:31] <joelio> e-vent: there are some info about 14.04 here too - https://github.com/dynup/kpatch
[16:31] <e-vent> Was just looking at that :)
[16:31] <e-vent> Cheers
[16:31] <joelio> in terms of when that hits the upstream ubuntu tooling and build chain, then I'd assume 'soon'
[16:31] <joelio> as obviously some self-management there
[16:32] <joelio> if you can deal with that, all good, but perhaps some time before it's packaged as pathces and just and apt-get install
[16:32] <e-vent> my experience is
[16:32] <e-vent> if its in debian
[16:32]  * joelio will have a play too :)
[16:32] <e-vent> wait 6 months
[16:32] <e-vent> then it'll get a backport
[16:33] <e-vent> I'm quite happy to wait with kernel stuff
[16:33] <e-vent> experimenting is nice
[16:33] <e-vent> but the kernel will try to kill itself if I fiddle
[16:34] <joelio> yea, never a good thing :D
[16:34] <e-vent> to be fair though the worst thing for me
[16:34] <e-vent> has been windows overwriting my boot multiple times
[16:34] <e-vent> Microsoft and fast boot nuked my bootloader on arch on the way to an important meeting
[16:34]  * joelio windows free since 2006
[16:35] <joelio> had to use a friends machine the other day, didn't like it one bit, even tying being imparital. Tools for jobs I guess though
[16:35] <joelio> or games.. etc
[16:37] <e-vent> Yup, Vulkan
[16:37] <e-vent> sooner rather than later please
[16:37] <e-vent> I only have windows for that reason
[16:38] <joelio> e-vent: +1
[16:38] <joelio> Vulkan looks like it could really shake up that choice in future
[16:38] <e-vent> Well, I guess vulkan + better GPU drivers
[16:38] <e-vent> but eh
[16:38] <e-vent> good steps
[16:38] <joelio> aye
[16:39] <joelio> right, hometime, laters!
[16:39] <brunch8751> I'm very upset of DOOM drm since it runs with vulkan
[16:40] <brunch8751> I found another 10GB used in .config/chromium... what the hell?
[16:40] <brunch8751> is it bad to simply delete the .config folder?
[16:41] <hggdh> brunch8751: it will delete all your configuration for all applications that use it. Your call.
[16:41] <k1l_> brunch8751: use the delete cache and offline websites in chromium
[16:41] <e-vent> There a ccleaner for linux yet?
[16:42] <compdoc> you infected?
[16:42] <brunch8751> I'm just going to fall back to firefox
[16:42] <e-vent> bleachbit apparently
[16:43] <brunch8751> if an application breaks from removing it's .config... it doesn't deserve to stay installed!
[16:43] <e-vent> pretty much
[16:43] <e-vent> sane defaults...
[16:43] <hggdh> brunch8751: they do not break. Your user experience may, or may not, be impacted.
[16:44] <brunch8751> hopefully this also helps evolution catch online accounts again
[16:44] <hggdh> brunch8751: the applications will all re-gen their (needed) ~/.config/<whatver> entries.
[16:44] <brunch8751> it stopped working for some reason
[16:46] <brunch8751> hmph, evolution still doesn't want to use online-accounts
[16:46] <brunch8751> oh well, worth a shot ☹
[16:47] <hggdh> brunch8751: let's say, for the sake of argument, that you have Evolution installed. Now you go and delete all of ~/.config (or just ~/.config/evolution). Now you lost *all* your evo configuration email addresses, servers, chached emails, filters, etc.
[16:47] <brunch8751> yeah, it happened exactly as you described it
[16:47] <Dat> ouch
[16:47] <brunch8751> but it still doesn't want to read from online-accounts
[16:48] <hggdh> brunch8751: so, in summary: can you delete ~/.config? Yes. But your user experience will be impacted.
[16:48] <brunch8751> which is bizarre since it worked out of the box when I last installed it
[16:49] <hggdh> brunch8751: I configured Evo to read my gmail (as IMAP). It worked. It still works, when I fire up Evo.
[16:49] <brunch8751> yeah, but that's not through ubuntu online-accounts, right?
[16:49] <brunch8751> I really like that functionality, since it syncs calendar and all
[16:50] <hggdh> brunch8751: I am not certain what is it you call "online accounts"
[16:50] <brunch8751> it's under system settings
[16:50] <wine> hi
[16:50] <Guest72487> i need earphones of apple
[16:50] <brunch8751> you can add accounts there, and some programs will use them, like the notifications
[16:51] <Guest72487> any girl is here
[16:51] <brunch8751> but ever since I reinstalled ubuntu (because I broke it), it doesn't work anymore
[16:51] <dhakadsahab> hey'
[16:51] <brunch8751> I've tried googling but apparently I'm the only one affected by this :s
[16:51] <returnthis> I have xrandr reporting my screen resolution as 1440x2560 but apps are reporting 720x1280. This observed in firefox, chrome, emacs, slack, gnome-terminal, but NOT spotify (except the menus)
[16:52] <dhakadsahab> hi abhishek
[16:52] <DeakinH> hi
[16:52] <returnthis> why does firefox, etc... view my resolution as so low, but xrandr reports correctly?
[16:52] <dhakadsahab> deeakinh how are u buddy
[16:54] <k1l_> dhakadsahab: do you have an ubuntu issue? this channel is for technical support only.
[16:54] <dhakadsahab> ohh sory..
[16:54] <dhakadsahab> i thought its a dating channel
[16:54] <dhakadsahab> hahah
[16:54] <brunch8751> you can join #ubuntu-offtopic for chatting ☺
[16:55] <dhakadsahab> i m a security researcher in microsoft boy
[16:55] <dhakadsahab> u r just a kid ask any issue in kali linux u have
[16:56] <k1l_> dhakadsahab: this is not a chat channel or a microsoft or kali channel. so please keep it clear for ubuntu support. thanks
[16:56] <dhakadsahab> okk soryyy...i m going thank u for your patient
[17:02] <Sargun> Why does Ubuntu (LTS) install a specific kernel version (linux-image-$RELEASE-lts) vs. linux-image-generic?
[17:03] <teward> Sargun: do you mean Ubuntu 14.04 LTS?
[17:03] <teward> Sargun: if so, then the point-release ISOs use the newer kernel and a newer hardware-enablement-stack.  That is, they use the kernel from a different release, backported for the LTS release of Ubuntu
[17:04] <teward> (that is why on Trusty, linux-image-wily-lts would be the Wily kernel backported to Ubuntu 14.04, along with the updated hardware enablement stacks)
[17:04] <association> coucou
[17:04] <teward> at least, AIUI.
[17:04] <Sargun> teward: Ah, so like 14.04.4 uses a newer major than 14.04.1?
[17:05] <association> alooo
[17:05] <association> alooo
[17:05] <association> aloo
[17:05] <evil-troll> soooo. I was talking to myself and i was like: "DUDE. where's my car?" j/k I was like: "DUDE. we should look at source code!" so I was like: "OK, let's look at THIS: http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37 " and holy COW. Look at all of those dependencies! AAAHHHhhhhh *dies*.
[17:06] <Sargun> Err, Maybe I'm misunderstanding. According to the chart "Ubuntu Kernel Release Schedule" on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack it seems 14.04.X will always use kernel 3.13? Or are you backporting 3.X+ stuff to 3.13?
[17:07] <nacc> Sargun: you misunderstood
[17:07] <teward> Sargun: http://paste.ubuntu.com/19288288/ see Trusty
[17:07] <ioria> Sargun, 14.04.4 uses wily kernel
[17:07] <teward> Sargun: 14.04.4 uses the Wily kernel
[17:07] <teward> from the ISO, it installs the Wily kernel
[17:07] <evil-troll> how do I touch my Wily?
[17:08] <k1l_> !hwe | Sargun
[17:08] <teward> ^ there you go
[17:08] <neldogz> I used to be able to change the Grub background by placing a .jpg file in /boot/grub/ and then sudo update-grub but this is no longer working. I am using UEFI
[17:08] <cjhowe> hi guys! trying to set up GRUB to work with a ZFS root
[17:08] <Sargun> Will it ever get the Xenial kernel?
[17:08] <k1l_> Sargun: on the isos the latest backports kernel form the HWE is included. but on the install the kernel version is not upgraded. but you can do it manually.
[17:09] <Sargun> -- If I `apt upgrade` the kernel in a few months on my trusty box, will it give me 4.4.X?
[17:09] <cjhowe> however, even though `update-grub` says "Adding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration", efibootmgr doesn't show any boot entry
[17:09] <k1l_> Sargun: no
[17:09] <nacc> Sargun: 14.04.5 will have the xenial hwe stack (aiui)
[17:09] <k1l_> Sargun: please read the wiki page the bot linked you. you need to install the metapackage from the HWE
[17:10] <Sargun> k1l_: That appears to be the same wiki page that confused me in the first place.
[17:11] <k1l_> Sargun: so what is still unclear? you dont get automatic major kernel upgrades, but you can with the HWE. the isos from the pointreleases already have those new HWE kernels included
[17:12] <nacc> Sargun: "`apt upgrade` the kernel" is a nonsensical sentence. I think you meant you are upgrading the linux-image-generic package. In which case, no, that will not update to anyting other than a 3.13.x-based  kernel. You need to install an appropriate metapacakge for the HWE release you care about. (note that i think in august or so, anything other than 14.04.5's stack becomes unsupported)
[17:15] <Luka00> hello people
[17:16] <Luka00> I could not do the memtest and Ubuntu continue to freeze
[17:16] <Sargun> Ah, so when I upgrade from say 14.04.4->14.04.5, it'll automatically pickup the new Xenial HWE?
[17:17] <Luka00> when it happens, after a few seconds the fan speeds up a lot
[17:19] <ioria> Sargun,  no.... grep cdrom /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:20] <Luka00> How can I do to recover the logs? When I turn off and then there 'turn is anything about the crash
[17:20] <Luka00> *turn on
[17:21] <peter251> Hi, I have an issue with modemmanager version 1.4.12 in ubuntu 16.04. It doesnt start by itself and when I try to start it trough shell I get the following error: ModemManager[11742]: <info>  ModemManager (version 1.4.12) starting in system bus...
[17:21] <peter251> ModemManager[11742]: <warn>  Could not acquire the 'org.freedesktop.ModemManager1' service name
[17:21] <peter251> ModemManager[11742]: <info>  ModemManager is shut down
[17:21] <peter251> in debug mode i get:
[17:21] <peter251> ModemManager[12020]: <debug> [1468430437.178631] [mm-plugin-manager.c:877] load_plugins(): Loaded plugin 'Cinterion'
[17:21] <peter251> ModemManager[12020]: <debug> [1468430437.178641] [mm-plugin-manager.c:902] load_plugins(): Successfully loaded 29 plugins
[17:21] <Luka00> suggestions?
[17:22] <k1l_> Sargun: no. once you installed it stays on the kernel version. and you need to install the next metapakcage like explained on the HWE wiki site
[17:22] <n0de01> Hi! I'm trying to install eclipse through umake (sudo umake ide eclipse). However I get eclipse as an invalid choice (umake ide: error: argument framework: invalid choice: 'eclipse' (choose from 'lighttable', 'visual-studio-code') Could somebody please help me with this error ?)
[17:23] <nacc> n0de01: what is umake?
[17:23] <n0de01> Ubuntu Make is a command line tool which allows you to download the latest version of popular developer tools on your installation. More here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-make
[17:24] <Luka00> Who helps me before the next crash /freeze?
[17:24] <Luka00> :(
[17:25] <justsomeguy> Hi, I'm trying to troubleshoot my external monitor. It's resolution is not recognized when starting up, and changes in the 'Displays' settings panel doesn't seem to affect this. More info here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/19289650/ . Any idea where I should start toubleshooting this?
[17:26] <nacc> n0de01: does `umake ide -h` indeicate that eclipse is a valid option?
[17:27] <nacc> n0de01: that wiki page implies #ubuntu-desktop is the appropriate channel to ask, no idea if that's correct, though
[17:28] <n0de01> nacc: Nope. It lists visual-studio-code & lighttable as valid options. However wiki has an entry for eclipse in ide category.
[17:29] <n0de01> nacc: Thanks for pointing that out! I'll post my question there.
[17:30] <beantaxi> Hi all. I have a server, for which I would like to configure local email. Eg if a cron job fails and cron sends a local email, I would like that to work, plus I'd like to be able to read it. There is no need to send non-local email.
[17:30] <nacc> n0de01: what version of ubuntu btw?
[17:30] <beantaxi> nacc: trusty
[17:30] <beantaxi> nacc: whoops - sorry
[17:31] <genii> beantaxi: For that you just need sendmail, not something more extravagant like postfix or exim
[17:31] <beantaxi> Is apt-get install mailutils my simplest option? It looks like there are a few tricks requires, to install mailutils noninteractively via apt-get
[17:31] <n0de01> naac: 16.04
[17:31] <nacc> n0de01: fwiw, that wiki page doesn't sayt he version the example comes from, so it could be something that has been removed
[17:32] <nacc> n0de01: LP: 1591294
[17:32] <n0de01> nacc: Hmm yea true!
[17:33] <varaindemian> if I choose something else in the ubuntu installer (partitions) and I have uefi do I need to manually creaty the efi partition or it get automatically created?
[17:35] <n0de01> ubottu: nacc: Thanks for the information. Should have done my home work of searching a little more. Sorry for the trouble.
[17:36] <nacc> n0de01: np, it might be somthing already solved by upstream, etc. not sure
[17:36] <genii> beantaxi: mailutils has default-mta as a dependency. if no prior MTA is installed, it will put postfix by default. If you want a lighter solution, install sendmail before installing mailutils
[17:36] <genii> Apologies on lag, work is very busy just now
[17:37] <n0de01> nacc: Thanks for your time :)
[17:37] <peter251> anybody good at modemmanager or know about decent alternatives in ubuntu?
[17:37] <peter251> got the following issue with modemmanager that wont start http://paste.ubuntu.com/19290779/
[17:38] <varaindemian> how big should be the uefi partition?
[17:39] <beantaxi> genii: At the moment, apt-get install mailutils is failing; 404s on mysql dependencies. Is this probably normal and temporary? (aside - I don't love that my simple email solution requires mysql ... happy for something simpler)
[17:39] <paranoidabhi> say I need to replace my laptop's hdd with sdd. Should I just remove the hdd and plug in sdd. Then install ubuntu on it?
[17:40] <paranoidabhi> or is there more to it?
[17:40] <Mathisen> paranoidabhi, nope thats it
[17:41] <beantaxi> genii: & is that possibly related, to ubuntuforums.org being down
[17:41] <genii> beantaxi: No, this would not be normal. postfix uses sqlite. But also the 404 is not normal. Are you using some End Of Life edition of Ubuntu?
[17:41] <paranoidabhi> Mathisen, any bios settings I should change?
[17:41] <nacc> beantaxi: can you pastebin the output of `apt-get install mailutils` ?
[17:41] <Mathisen> paranoidabhi, nope
[17:42] <genii> gah, work
[17:42] <genii> afk
[17:42] <varaindemian> FAT32 file system or EFI System Partition?
[17:42] <paranoidabhi> how can I get all the packages installed on hdd to sdd. I want redownload and install not transfer.
[17:42] <craptalk> is there Sql Management studio(SSMS) on ubuntu to install?
[17:42] <paranoidabhi> something like pip freeze in python for apt
[17:43] <rpdavid> can anyone help me getting a network card to show up in interfaces
[17:44] <MonkeyDust> paranoidabhi  this trick wo(rks for programs installed with apt-get ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/19291339/
[17:44] <Mathisen> paranoidabhi, sudo dpkg --get-selections > dpkglist.txt
[17:44] <beantaxi> genii: trusty / 14.0.4
[17:44] <craptalk> is there Sql Management studio(SSMS) on ubuntu to install?
[17:45] <beantaxi> nacc: http://pastebin.com/EKyPSrAd
[17:45] <varaindemian> what should I choose? FAT32 file system or EFI System Partition in ubuntu installer?
[17:46] <denis_> how do i do install java in ubuntu?
[17:47] <varaindemian> anybody?
[17:47] <rpdavid> can anyone help me getting a network card to show up in interfaces
[17:47] <nacc> denis_: do you want a JRE or a JDK?
[17:47] <Mathisen> denis_, sudo apt-get install default-jre
[17:47] <paranoidabhi> Mathisen, nice! Any precautions I should take? Since the computer is same except hardrive, they would no conflict issues or wrong drivers installed?
[17:47] <nacc> beantaxi: hrm, the 404s are probably related to ec2 (afaict); however, it sees you did not run `apt-get update` first?
[17:48] <nacc> beantaxi: the versions you pasted are not published any longer
[17:48] <nacc> beantaxi: (e.g., they should be 5.5.49-0ubuntu0.14.04.1)
[17:48] <Mathisen> paranoidabhi, i dont think you will have any issues just with the hdd change
[17:50] <nacc> beantaxi: and it is not installing mysql, but libmysqlclient18 and mysql-common, which are needed for libmailutils4
[17:50] <varaindemian> Do I need to create a FAT32 file system partition or an EFI System Partition?
[17:50] <varaindemian> I don't know what to choose
[17:51] <Mathisen> varaindemian, are you booting in legacy ? or efi ?
[17:51] <genii> beantaxi: I would suggest then to check your entries in /etc/apt/sources.list and make sure they are current. also do not forget to issue: sudo apt-get update  ...before trying to install a package, to make sure the local list of available packages actually matches the real one which is current in the repository you are accessing
[17:52] <varaindemian> Mathisen: efi
[17:52] <beantaxi> nacc, genii: thank you. this is a new EC2 instance from Amazon's ubuntu 14.0.4 server image, created just a few minutes before I try to install mailutils. Is it normal to still need to apt-get update?
[17:52] <jamie_1> hey all im currently trying to get a marionette enviroment setup and im running into some issues, can someone point me in the direction of solving this? https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8883631
[17:53] <Mathisen> varaindemian, then you will need a EFI system partition
[17:53] <MonkeyDust> jamie_1  what's a marionette environment
[17:53] <nacc> beantaxi: yes
[17:53] <varaindemian> Mathisen: so FAT32 is for legacy... what?
[17:53] <jamie_1> MonkeyDust: automated ui test enviroment based in python
[17:53] <nacc> beantaxi: you always need to `apt-get update`, if it's been more than a certain amount of time since the last time you ran it :)
[17:53] <genii> beantaxi: Yes, you will normally still need to run sudo apt-get update ( or now preferred is just sudo apt update )
[17:54] <nacc> beantaxi: sorry, that's quite vague, but you get used to the cadence and it (apt) doesn't do it for you
[17:54] <nacc> genii: +1 on the newer tool/syntax
[17:55] <jamie_1> so anyone have any idea on how to fix the issue that is occuring while im trying to run a setup.py?
[17:55] <rpdavid> can anyone help me getting a network card to show up in interfaces
[17:55] <nacc> rpdavid: what is happening?
[17:56] <rpdavid> all i get is loopback
[17:56] <nacc> jamie_1: it says quite clearly what is wrong? you dont' have permission to write there
[17:56] <rpdavid> if i type in ifconfig i can see network card
[17:56] <nacc> rpdavid: no other network devices at all?
[17:56] <rpdavid> but network is working
[17:56] <jamie_1> yes but that is a root dir and i dont know what to do to make it so im not messing with the root dir
[17:56] <beantaxi> nacc, genii: Thanks very much - I did an apt update and mailutils is very happy. I assumed the EC2 image would be up to date but looks like that was an unsafe assumption
[17:56] <jamie_1> nacc: ^
[17:57] <nacc> rpdavid: do you mean /etc/network/interfaces ?
[17:57] <rpdavid> yes
[17:57] <jamie_1> like i said im new to messing with python so i dont know how to fix things like this
[17:57] <genii> beantaxi: Glad to assist
[17:57] <nacc> rpdavid: that's not in use if you're on a desktop
[17:57] <rpdavid> if i type ifconfig i can see card
[17:57] <nacc> rpdavid: network-manager is used
[17:57] <rpdavid> i am trying to swt static ip
[17:57] <rpdavid> set
[17:58] <nacc> jamie_1: you need to provide more information, unforunately; can you start with what command you are running (the tail of  alog isn't the most useful). And what you expect to happen
[17:58] <newworldorder> simple yes/no question, are packages the same across ubuntu versions? ie, i'll get the same chromium install on both 14.04 and 16.04 when doing 'apt-get install chromium-browser'
[17:58] <nacc> jamie_1: also, this is probably not really an ubuntu support topic (as you're building frmo source and it's either about how to build/install some python program)
[17:58] <nacc> newworldorder: no.
[17:58] <k1l_> newworldorder: in general: no. in that specific package: yes
[17:59] <nacc> newworldorder: they *can* be, but they are not generally :)
[17:59] <newworldorder> i gotcha, so expect some deprecation on lesser used packages
[17:59] <nacc> rpdavid: are you on a GUI-based install of Ubuntu?
[17:59] <nacc> newworldorder: "deprecation"?
[17:59] <rpdavid> terminal
[17:59] <jamie_1> nacc: yes i know but #python is taking not notice to me asking at all so i thought i might come here and im triyng to just run python setup.py develop
[17:59] <jamie_1> which means nothing to you most likely because the setup.py is a gaia based script
[17:59] <beantaxi> Any thoughts on how to test if mail correctly was set up? Currently I have [ -d /var/mail/username ] || exit 1, and mail --version > /dev/null || exit 1
[18:00] <nacc> jamie_1: right, the log you provided is quite clear
[18:00] <nacc> jamie_1: you need to pass --install-dir or --prefix to point to somewhere toher than /usr/local
[18:00] <newworldorder> nacc, the less popular packages aren't updated with ubuntu development; i'm trying to make a persistent liveusb, can do so on 14.04, not so with 16.04
[18:00] <jamie_1> nacc: thanks... ill try that
[18:00] <nacc> newworldorder: i'm not sure how you got from the first poitn to that one?
[18:00] <newworldorder> probably a solution but i'd be happy with a 14.04 that works, so long as things like my browser are up to date. it will be read only anyway.
[18:01] <nacc> rpdavid: but does the system you are connecting to have a GUI normally?
[18:01] <newworldorder> nacc, i'm not a pro or anything, ubuntu/debian went from init to systemd recently?
[18:01] <newworldorder> all the guides i'm finding for persistence in a liveusb are mentioning init.
[18:01] <rpdavid> yes  but i am in another state and can only terminal in
[18:01] <nacc> newworldorder: ubuntu went from sysv-init to upstart (a while ago) and then to systemd (by default) in 15.04
[18:01] <genii> beantaxi: echo "test test" > somefile   then: mail -s "mailtest" username somefile
[18:02] <nacc> rpdavid: right, so your system is using network-manager
[18:02] <nacc> rpdavid: use `nmcli` if you need to modify the settings, i'm guessing
[18:02] <genii> beantaxi: Then check if it arrived, as user username
[18:02] <rpdavid> ill try
[18:02] <newworldorder> ok, thanks nacc. i'm gonna try working with 14.04 and see if i can get it to do what i want. just needed to know that chromium stays updated. thanks again!
[18:06] <beantaxi> genii: Thanks for that. I will need something more automated but I think I can figure it out, from that starting point.
[18:06] <redtuxedocash> cant the normal terminal do multiple window view, rather than using tmux? Is there any shortcuts for that?
[18:07] <akik> !info terminator
[18:12] <jatt> what's wrong with tmux?
[18:18] <porjaus> is tor installed by default in 16.04 or do I have to install it? Also if I have installed the Tor Browser Bundle so I still need Tor in order to use it with other services or does the TBB install it as well?
[18:18] <MonkeyDust> !tor
[18:18] <porjaus> the docoumentation is confusing me and there are lots of conflicting tutorials
[18:18] <mutante> porjaus: the bundle installs both, tor and a browser
[18:19] <laurus> Is there any way to make VLC not connect to the internet constantly to download the album covers of what I'm listening to?
[18:19] <mutante> porjaus: i dont think it's installed by default
[18:19] <porjaus> mutante: so if I used the software center in 16.04 to get TBB was that an error since I am reading now you shouldn't get it from repositories as ubptto said?
[18:19] <MonkeyDust> laurus  i think a plugin does that and you bhave to disable it
[18:20] <laurus> MonkeyDust, how do I disable it?
[18:20] <mutante> porjaus: well.. i would not go so far to say "error". it's just a recommended thing because of issues in the past. you are probably fine
[18:21] <MonkeyDust> laurus  i'm looking in Tools > Plugins
[18:21] <porjaus> so if I want to set up pidgin xmpp/otr using tor do I need to activate tor somehow or have the TBB running? or configuring pidgin to use it will activate it?
[18:21] <jerichowasahoax> porjaus: Tor itself is just a SOCKS proxy on localhost
[18:21] <porjaus> i have never used tor beyong opening the TBB like a noob and using it
[18:21] <porjaus> so dont want to screw up any setup
[18:22] <porjaus> i get so overwhelmed with documentation
[18:22] <jerichowasahoax> porjaus: Essentially, you run the Tor service (or in your case, the TBB), then you configure whatever app to use the proxy
[18:23] <porjaus> jerichowasahoax: so i need to open the TBB and then configure pidgin? TBB has to be running for this to work?
[18:23] <jerichowasahoax> porjaus: Or you could install the Tor service proper and run that, that would be ideal
[18:23] <porjaus> thats what I was trying to figure out...if I had tor installed..since I have the TBB...or if I need to do it separately
[18:23] <jerichowasahoax> porjaus: But if you don't want to install anything right now, yeah, that would be your procedure
[18:24] <laurus> MonkeyDust, I can't find it. I give up
[18:24] <porjaus> is there a terminal command to see if Tor proper is installed?
[18:24] <porjaus> its not in any menu
[18:24] <jerichowasahoax> porjaus: `apt-get install tor`, see if it mentions a reinstall
[18:24] <laurus> Thanks anyway
[18:25] <porjaus> jerichowasahoax:  it says its already installed but I never did it manually...must come with the TBB then?
[18:25] <jerichowasahoax> porjaus: yeah, it came with the TBB
[18:25] <porjaus> jerichowasahoax: also is it safe to do apt-get install on something you already have? it wont install a second instance and mess things up?
[18:25] <porjaus> in any situation
[18:26] <jerichowasahoax> porjaus: worst case scenario, `apt-get install whatever` will install over the top of whatever instance you have
[18:26] <jerichowasahoax> porjaus: which effectively does nothing unless it's an upgrade or you manage to seriously break your existing instance
[18:26] <porjaus> jerichowasahoax: is there a command to just check and see if somethng in installed? apt-get doihavehthis etc?
[18:27] <EriC^> porjaus: apt-cache policy <package>
[18:27] <jerichowasahoax> porjaus: i'm sure there is, but it's been a while since i've actually been fluent in apt
[18:27] <porjaus> EriC^: thanks
[18:27] <EriC^> no problem
[18:27] <Guest00000> toq
[18:28] <porjaus> EriC^: it said this Installed: 0.2.7.6-1ubuntu1 but I use xubuntu...why would it say lubuntu?
[18:28] <EriC^> that's 1 (one)
[18:28] <Pici> porjaus: thats a 1
[18:28] <porjaus> lol...idiot
[18:29] <porjaus> sorry
[18:29] <EriC^> :D
[18:31] <porjaus> how do I choose an XMPP server? there are so many
[18:34] <Lectro> hi
[18:34] <Lectro> im searching for some dn links
[18:34] <Lectro> does anyone have some?
[18:35] <nicomachus> dn?
[18:35] <k1l_> !warez
[18:35] <Lectro> no warez
[18:36] <Lectro> dark net
[18:36] <Lectro> onion links
[18:36] <k1l_> Lectro: this is the wrong channel for that talk
[18:36] <Lectro> where can I talk about that?
[18:36] <nicomachus> !alis
[18:36] <kishan> hello
[18:37] <kishan> jhgj
[18:37] <Lectro> ok thanks
[18:37] <kishan> mkm
[18:37] <Lectro> hello kishan
[18:37] <kishan> how r u lectro
[18:37] <Lectro> im fine thanks
[18:37] <Lectro> and you?
[18:37] <kishan> me also
[18:37] <kishan> u r from?
[18:38] <Lectro> Spain
[18:38] <Lectro> u?
[18:38] <ubuntu-mate> Hello All
[18:38] <Lectro> hi
[18:38] <Lectro> mate
[18:38] <MonkeyDust> Lectro  kishan take your nice social chat to -offtopic
[18:38] <kishan> lectro r u mail or fml
[18:39] <kishan> india
[18:39] <Lectro> okay
[18:39] <Lectro> we have to go out of here
[18:39] <Lectro> this is not the channel
[18:39] <hggdh> Lectro, kishan: this is a support channel. Please move elsewwhere for social chat
[18:40] <kishan> u did not answered my question
[18:40] <Lectro> idk fml or mail
[18:40] <Rakko> I just did sudo do-release-upgrade --devel-release and it was working for hours, and then it got to the part where I got to compare new and old config files. I was editing some such files in Vim when I accidentally hit ^z, and somehow the whole upgrade process got suspended -- but it's not in my shell's jobs list! I can see in ps that it's still running. Is there any way to get back to it?
[18:41] <Rakko> I tried just running sudo apt-get -f install but it said there was nothing to do
[18:41] <EriC^> Rakko: "jobs" doesn't show it?
[18:41] <Rakko> no
[18:41] <kishan> r u man or woman lectro
[18:41] <EriC^> Rakko: try screen -s
[18:41] <EriC^> Rakko: try screen -ls
[18:41] <Rakko> EriC^: in fact, unfortunately, I've totally closed the shell I was in and logged in again
[18:41] <MonkeyDust> kishan  stop
[18:41] <Rakko> EriC^: I use tmux, not screen, and it doesn't show any other sessions
[18:41] <Lectro> kishan stop please
[18:41] <Lectro> go to -offtopic
[18:42] <MonkeyDust> !ot > kishan
[18:42] <EriC^> Rakko: the upgrader uses screen
[18:42] <Rakko> EriC^: oh? Hmm, OK. screen isn't currently installed on my system.
[18:42] <EriC^> Rakko: what does ps show you for the process
[18:43] <EriC^> Rakko: you could try to kill the process if it has a subprocess that's asking for the config and it will continue with the upgrading
[18:43] <EriC^> (kill the subprocess that is, not the main one)
[18:43] <Lectro> -offtopic
[18:44] <Rakko> EriC^: ok. then what would happen if it wanted to ask me for more input?
[18:44] <Rakko> EriC^: my whole ps tree: https://gist.github.com/815d020b83930c9d20d279b30c21d331
[18:46] <crono> if I've entered sudo mode with sudo -i, how do I turn that off and go back to non super user priviledges?
[18:46] <rypervenche> crono: exit or crtl+d
[18:46] <crono> rypervenche: great, thanks!
[18:48] <EriC^> Rakko: that's a tough one
[18:48] <Rakko> I'd like to install screen just in case I can reattach, but that dpkg process has the db locked
[18:48] <EriC^> Rakko: you could try to kill that dpkg process, and then run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[18:48] <Rakko> ok, will do
[18:49] <EriC^> it looks like it was configuring a bunch of packages, starting with libgpg-error-dev
[18:49] <Lectro> crono thanks for asking, I was thinking how it was lol
[18:49] <EriC^> Rakko: i wonder if that --status-fd 17 means something useful
[18:50] <Rakko> oh, too late. I killed it
[18:50] <Rakko> quite possibly, though
[18:50] <EriC^> try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[18:50] <EriC^> see if something else came up btw before that
[18:51] <Lectro> how can I install a tar.gz package like .deb?
[18:51] <k1l_> Lectro: you cant
[18:51] <baizon> Lectro: you have to compile it
[18:52] <EriC^> !checkinstall Lectro
[18:52] <EriC^> !checkinstall | Lectro
[18:52] <Lectro> ok thanks
[18:52] <MuffinMedic> What file is the setting for chsh stored in?
[18:52] <EriC^> Lectro: check above
[18:53] <MuffinMedic> nvm i see it in /etc/passwd
[18:54] <ioria> MuffinMedic, you mean /etc/shells ?
[18:54] <MuffinMedic> no not the list of valid shells
[18:54] <MuffinMedic> where each user is assigned their default shell
[18:55] <Lectro> k1l_, baizon, EriC and ubottu, are you moderators?
[18:56] <Rakko> I should try checkinstall I guess. I've been getting a lot of use out of stow.
[18:56] <Guest6325> Hey guys, I have a question related to a driver
[18:57] <prospero_> hello, I'm having trouble with VNC'ing into my server. SSH works ok, I also tunneled vnc thru ssh but when I start a vnc session, an X cursor and unfunctional background (screenshot: https://s32.postimg.org/o3z4uq8k5/Screenshot_from_2016_07_13_21_52_44.png) Any ideas?  Ubuntu 14.04
[18:57] <jatt> MuffinMedic: /etc/passwd
[18:57] <crono> is it possible to make the timeout command produce an output to either stdout or stderr that indicates the timeout was exceeded?
[18:57] <compdoc> prospero_, it will never work with the Unity desktop
[18:57] <Rakko> prospero_: the VNC X server isn't running any clients like a window manager
[18:57] <Rakko> compdoc: oh, why not?
[18:57] <msev-> popey, I'm compiling your voice on mycroft now :D
[18:57] <msev-> hahaha
[18:58] <ycyclist> ?
[18:58] <compdoc> you need a 2d desktop. Unity is 3d
[18:58] <prospero_> compdoc, I also installed gnome, how can I switch via terminal?
[18:58] <Rakko> oh, yeah
[18:58] <compdoc> I use the Mate desktop and x2go. much better than vnc
[18:58] <Lectro> thanks everyone for all, goodbye
[18:59] <Rakko> there is no tigervnc in ubuntu? huh
[19:02] <jerichowasahoax> I'm running Ubuntu 16.04 in a Hyper-V VM, and Settings > Display refuses to give me options for resolutions other than 1024x768. I'm probably missing some package, but which one?
[19:05] <Rakko> whoa, just discovered the apt command. how does it render its progress bar at the bottom?
[19:05] <Rakko> not sure if it's in screen or just a curses app or what
[19:06] <jinxi1> how do I display the disc usage on linux?
[19:06] <Rakko> df
[19:06] <jinxi1> on windows I can e.g. see 100% of the disc is used
[19:06] <jinxi1> Rakko: I mean usage as write/read
[19:07] <nomic> when you do ctrl-s on youtube-dl .. it doesn't stop the download .. it just stops the display
[19:07] <nomic> ie.
[19:07] <nomic> strange
[19:07] <Rakko> jinxi1: df
[19:07] <nomic> cos I do ctrl-q to start it again & it jumps to like 95pc it was 40pc
[19:07] <jinxi1> Rakko: how do I get the current write/read speed?
[19:07] <nomic> this can't be right
[19:08] <Rakko> nomic: that's called software flow control. type stty -ixon in the terminal before running youtube-dl
[19:08] <EriC^> jinxi1: iotop
[19:09] <Rakko> EriC^: OK, everything seems to have completed now... but how can I be sure I have a working xenial system now?
[19:09] <Lectro> hi again
[19:09] <nomic> so it doesn't actually stop?
[19:09] <nomic> thanks Rakko
[19:09] <Rakko> I don't know of any program that diagnoses whether things are as they should be (other than dependency manager itself)
[19:09] <EriC^> Rakko: you can't i guess
[19:09] <Rakko> nomic: no, it suspends. press ctrl-q to resume
[19:09] <jinxi1> total disk write: 118MB/s :-(
[19:10] <nomic> ctrl-s does it
[19:10] <nomic> ctrl-s/ctrl-q = stop/start
[19:10] <nomic> stty -ixon = ctrl-s
[19:10] <tatertots> hello gentlemen, i follow this guide https://www.unixmen.com/how-to-join-an-ubuntu-desktop-into-an-active-directory-domain/ and the system is joined to domain however unable to login with anything but local account.  I found some mistakes the author made along the way like 'etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf', you guys know a better guide
[19:11] <Rakko> how can I list just debs that I've installed from PPAs?
[19:11] <Rakko> non-Canonical ones
[19:11] <R13ose> What is the best notification system with Ubuntu as two I have used have failed in various ways, any ideas/
[19:11] <R13ose> ?
[19:11] <EriC^> there's no straightforward command i know of but you can write a one liner to do it
[19:11] <EriC^> Rakko: ^
[19:12] <Rakko> ok. I'll google for the one-liner
[19:12] <Lectro> does anyone know an alternative to eclipse(android apps designer) but more visual? (Obviusly for Ubuntu)
[19:12] <tatertots> I'm going to refill my coffee, so i might be away from keyboard for a minute or two. PM me
[19:13] <Rakko> I thought apt-cache showpkg was equivalent to aptitude show, but now I see that isn't the case. Am I thinking of a different built-in apt command?
[19:13] <EriC^> Rakko: what does aptitude show do? show info about the package?
[19:14] <Rakko> I haven't installed aptitude yet on this install. I had it before, but it got uninstalled during the upgrade. I thought I might like to give the official tools another try instead.
[19:15] <Rakko> yeah, it shows all the available versions for the package named
[19:15] <Rakko> and the metadata and description for them
[19:15] <tatertots> ok guys i'm back
[19:15] <tatertots> got my coffee :)
[19:16] <EriC^> Rakko: hmm maybe apt-cache show <package>
[19:16] <HentaiGeri> hi ,how can i format a hdd that partition table and mbr is corrupt ? i tried gparted but it cant open it ,the hdd had grub on it with windows 10 and ubuntu dual boot but somehow it has messed up
[19:16] <Lectro>  does anyone know an alternative to eclipse(android apps designer) but more visual? (Obviusly for Ubuntu)
[19:16] <Rakko> oh, I see. You're right, EriC^
[19:17] <Rakko> Lectro: what is "more visual"?
[19:17] <EriC^> HentaiGeri: you don't want the data back at all?
[19:18] <Lectro> better interface and minimum programming knowledge
[19:18] <HentaiGeri> i dont want the data back,i just want to format it and reinstall
[19:18] <Rakko> Lectro: a lot of people like whatever IntelliJ sells. But it is commercial, and I'm not sure if it runs on Linux
[19:19] <Lectro> hmm, i google it
[19:19] <Lectro> thanks
[19:20] <tatertots> HentaiGeri i have a disk drive setup like that i pulled from a system, tried to read it in another system and gparted saw "unallocated space" for the entire drive...scared me to death, set it aside and haven't messed with it since..wasn't a critical machine luckily
[19:20] <EriC^> HentaiGeri: try sudo gdisk /dev/sdX to make a fresh partition table
[19:21] <tatertots> when it's in the original machine the ntfs and ext4 can both be read/write normally
[19:21] <tatertots> freaky shit
[19:21] <EriC^> HentaiGeri: gdisk for gpt (uefi) and fdisk for mbr/legacy
[19:23] <TurboKraken> Anyone recommend a tool or a few tools to look at a broken windows drive to pull data off?
[19:23] <SchrodingersScat> !recovery
[19:23] <SchrodingersScat> hmm
[19:24] <SchrodingersScat> !recover | TurboKraken
[19:24] <Rakko> I feel for ya, TurboKraken
[19:24] <TurboKraken> SchrodingersScat: Thank you.
[19:24] <TurboKraken> ubottu: Thank you.
[19:28] <HentaiGeri> fdisk: cannot open /dev/sg0: Illegal seek
[19:28] <multifractal> It just took me 3 attempts to boot. Sometimes (but not always) hangs at 5 dots splash screen. Happens since getting CUDA toolkit and Nvidia proprietary driver..
[19:28] <multifractal> Booting using older kernel version always works perfectly (no hang)
[19:28] <ioria> sg0 is dvd (or cd) iirc
[19:28] <HentaiGeri> fdisk: cannot open /dev/sda: Input/output error
[19:28] <genii> HentaiGeri: Does: dmesg | tail -n25  ...show I/O errors?
[19:28] <multifractal> How can I disable the 5 dots screen so that I can at least see what lines it hangs on?
[19:29] <Bashing-om> multifractal: What release ? systemd makes a difference .
[19:29] <multifractal> 14.04
[19:30] <HentaiGeri> genii yes
[19:30] <genii> HentaiGeri: Then you need a new hard drive
[19:31] <Bashing-om> multifractal: Boot to grub, e key for edit mode -> boot options screen and replace "quiet splash" with the term text .
[19:31] <multifractal> Bashing-om: "quiet splash" ---> "text" ?
[19:32] <Rakko> thanks everyone
[19:32] <Bashing-om> multifractal: Yeah, you are to enable seeing the boot messages .
[19:33] <multifractal> This is driving me so crazy. I've had dreams where I'm stuck in 5 dot splash screen purgatory.
[19:33] <R13ose> What is the best notification system with Ubuntu as two I have used have failed in various ways, any ideas?
[19:34] <Bashing-om> multifractal: Sounds like ya might want to run a file system check/repair from a live environment .
[19:35] <multifractal> File system? Everything works fine when using the old kernel version. It's definitely something Nvidia related, but I'm not smart so I don't know what.
[19:35] <gbaker> replace "quiet splash" with "nomodeset"
[19:35] <andy_wfc> How the heck do I file a bug report these days? I'm at bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu, I'm logged in, and the report-a-bug link takes me to an entirely unhelpful documentation page explaining that I need to create a launchpad account to report bugs...
[19:35] <Bashing-om> !nomodeset | multifractal
[19:36] <jatt> andy_wfc: apport-bug
[19:36] <Bashing-om> multifractal: Possible here that you are using a proprietary graphics driver built on the older kernel ..
[19:37] <andy_wfc> jatt: the menu doesn't seem well suited to supported a bug in a specific page (mono-devel in this instance)
[19:38] <curlyears> I have a really ridiculous problem.   I have 16.06 on a USB thumb, but my system won't boot off a USB port at all, and I am running under LiveDVD 14.04.5, so I can't remove the DVD from the drive.   How in hell am I going to install 16.4 on this system?   I don't have access to anyone who has a DVD writer and an Interna=et connection.  )-:
[19:39] <EriC^> curlyears: can you see the usb from the grub of the 14.04 dvd?
[19:39] <HentaiGeri> i reboot,brb
[19:39] <genii> EriC^: I'm pretty sure the DVD uses syslinux
[19:39] <EriC^> genii: aha
[19:40] <EriC^> install the 14.04 temporarily then maybe, then try to boot the usb from grub
[19:41] <multifractal> Bashing-om well I don't know about that. In the pre-installation instructions Nvidia makes you install the latest kernel header files because it says it needs them for something. I don't know what...
[19:41] <curlyears> EriC^:  I don't know how to look for it in grub.   Whenever my stsrem refuses to boot, it drops me into grub-rescue:  but refuses to accep any text input at all
[19:41] <curlyears> \system
[19:41] <pavak> http://ubuntuforums.org/ is down for about an hour
[19:41] <UserUS> curlyears: grub codes are different from regular unix
[19:42] <curlyears> UserUS:   so I have deduced.  But what *ARE* they?
[19:42] <EriC^> curlyears: in grub "ls -l" or just "ls" shows the hdd's and other stuff
[19:42] <multifractal> Bashing-om: And when I boot using the older kernel version and try to use CUDA-based libraries it always complains that "no CUDA-capable device found" or similar. i.e. CUDA needs the latest kernel to work.
[19:42] <EriC^> curlyears: maybe there's a bios setting you can change that'll boot the usb
[19:42] <curlyears> Eric^:  I haven't had that experience.  Can't honestly tell you whether I have or have not trtied ls in particular.
[19:43] <EriC^> fastboot or maybe setting an admin password, or switching uefi to legacy or vice-versa
[19:43] <UserUS> depends wat are u doing
[19:43] <Bashing-om> multifractal: Presently we do not know where th problem is . IF you boot the latest kernel with the "nomodeset" boot option, can you boot to the GUI ? degraded graphics here is acceptable .
[19:43] <curlyears> EriC^  nope, I've tried all the USB related "boot device" options, the system just sits there, and then complains there is no boot image or drive available
[19:44] <UserUS> curlyears: what are you trying to o
[19:44] <UserUS> do
[19:44] <EriC^> curlyears: did you try changing uefi to legacy? or legacy to uefi?
[19:44] <UserUS> curlyears: ubuntu also has a built in recovery, that can be activated if thats what you're looking for
[19:46] <UserUS> ohhh you're trying to boot into the usb and it goes to rescue? the kernel is having an issue, trying like Eric said, changing boot to legacy, or eufi (be careful)
[19:46] <UserUS> other than that, its just corrupt
[19:46] <curlyears> UserUS:   I have been running in LiveDVD more for over  a month now, because my PSU was flakey and weireded the system out whenever my mass storage devices (except my DVD drive) were plugger into the PSU.  I received a new PSU last wekk, and spent the last two days R&R ing it, and getting my system back "online"  Now I want to install 16.04 onto it
[19:46] <curlyears> , but I don't have a DVD for it, and I can D/L it, but have no means of transferring that to a DVD because I am running under LiveDVD and I can't use the DVD drive for anything else
[19:47] <UserUS> Ahhh ok
[19:47] <EriC^> curlyears: you can make the livedvd be loaded into memory fully i think
[19:47] <prospero_> compdoc, I did not know about x2go it works great thanks. However it also displays everything in a hyperzoomed-in way, which doesnt change with resolution..
[19:47] <UserUS> well, did you install the drivers for it properly?
[19:47] <curlyears> UserUS:  it's already set for EUFI, because I have 2 3TB drives, I've been through all that
[19:47] <EriC^> using a kernel parameter
[19:48] <UserUS> if so, ubuntu 16 should pick it up (if it installed proprietary or not). You can also add drivers after installing
[19:48] <prospero_> scratch that, I reconnected and its fixed
[19:48] <curlyears> Eric^:  and how would I do that?  I have plenty of RAM to do it in, 24GB
[19:48] <UserUS> if not, I'd say you need to troubleshoot the hardware again, because it should recognize it
[19:48] <EriC^> can syslinux be used to edit kernel parameters?
[19:48] <UserUS> i think so, yes
[19:48] <UserUS> with sudo
[19:49] <EriC^> curlyears: it says in the arch wiki to press tab
[19:49] <ioria> EriC^, yes, usually with tab or 'e'
[19:49] <EriC^> let me grab that kernel parameter from google
[19:50] <UserUS> are you recompiling, or over writing
[19:50] <curlyears> aft6wer I installed the new PSU, I kep getting told "error:  no such device: <and a huge long string of hex numbers>"   I finally decided to try swapping ghe SATA cab;es around so the DVD was not on SATA4 or 5.  Thatgot me working.   SATA 4 and 5 are set to EDIE more in the "BIOS" (whatever the hell EIDE more is supposed to be.
[19:50] <UserUS> or both
[19:50] <curlyears> oops, pardon my language.  A bit frustrated
[19:50] <curlyears> Eric^:  press TAB *when*???
[19:51] <ioria> curlyears, highlight 'try ubuntu' and press tab
[19:51] <EriC^> curlyears: as soon as the pc starts up and it booting
[19:51] <EriC^> oh i think tab is for when the menu is already there
[19:52] <curlyears> Eric^:  and that will resukt in what?
[19:52] <ioria> curlyears, editable kernel boot line
[19:52] <curlyears> obviously, or you can't choose "try bubuntu"
[19:52] <curlyears> and what do I have to edit in the kernal boot line?  And how do I get the 16.04 image in RAM?
[19:53] <UserUS> side note: http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/you-can-now-run-ubuntu-linux-with-the-unity-desktop-on-top-of-windows-10-506159.shtml
[19:53] <HentaiGeri> READ LOG DMA EXT failed, trying unqueued what is this mean ?
[19:53] <curlyears> or does that put the current image in RAM so I can make my DVD drive available?
[19:53] <EriC^> curlyears: it's "toram" apparently
[19:53] <SwedeMike> a/win 75
[19:53] <curlyears> "toram?"
[19:53] <UserUS> HentaiGeri: READ LOG DMA EXT failed, trying unqueued what is this mean ? it means the extension is having trouble opening, which can be a corrupted file
[19:54] <EriC^> curlyears: add "toram" after quiet splash
[19:54] <curlyears> sorry, ,what is "quiet splash?"
[19:55] <curlyears> I am not a newbie to Unix or even to linux, but I haven't been a user for about 3 years, and akll of this stuff is new to me
[19:55] <EriC^> curlyears: when you press tab it should say linux /boot/vmlinuz ..... bunch of stuff quiet splash
[19:56] <curlyears> EriC^: OK.  Now, how do I get it to the menu "try Ubuntu?"
[19:56] <EriC^> yeah press tab over it i guess
[19:56] <EriC^> or you mean how do you get that menu?
[19:56] <curlyears> over what, precisely?  Yeah, how do I get the "try Ubuntu" menu option?
[19:57] <tortib> boot the Live DVD/USB
[19:57] <curlyears> OK, I'll be back later: thanks for you patience
[19:58] <EriC^> no problem
[20:00] <Manuel__> Hallo, Ich habe die neueste Version Ubuntu-Studio installiert und kann Pure Data extended nicht instalieren. Kann mir jemand helfen?
[20:01] <genii> !de | Manuel__
[20:01] <Manuel__> Wie komme ich den da hin?
[20:01] <Bashing-om> multifractal: Have I lost you ?
[20:04] <multifractal> Bashing-om Oh I was just doing some reading about grub. I'm kind of putting off rebooting, I'm just glad to be in my desktop environment.
[20:16] <v1s> I have 2 different wan connection there ips are 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.2.1 they are both connected to a switch which is connected to the eth port on my headless linux box. what is the best way to switch between the two connections via script and way to set it up?
[20:16] <Refine> I installed a patched version of xfce-panel called xfce-panel-compiz from arch's aur repo by using ./configure sudo make install and some other tricks. It fixed an annoying bug, but now the package xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin, which has a depenedency of xfce-panel isn't working. Anyone know how I can make xfce-whiskermenu-plugin think that xfce-panel-compiz is xfce-panel or something similar so that it works correctly? Very little besides the name
[20:20] <safari> hi all, I had a external HD die and have picked up an unformatted external drive.... I see that ext4 is mostly used for OS installs, is there something better I should format this drive for storage?
[20:20] <akik> Refine: your use case is not supported but you can try fulfilling the dependencies with !equivs
[20:20] <akik> !info equivs
[20:21] <Refine> ty for info
[20:21] <v1s> safari: ext is good if it will just be used on systems that can read it other wise I find exfat to work well across systems
[20:22] <safari> v1s, can exfat drives be larger than 4TB?
[20:23] <v1s> safari: yes
[20:23] <v1s> safari: whoops sorry
[20:23] <nsturdev> v1s: for your network problem are you looking to switch in the event a connection is down or are you trying to switch on the fly?
[20:23] <tgm4883> safari: very much larger
[20:24] <v1s> safari: ok wasnt sure i only had 1 and 2tv drives but seems tgm4883 answered that
[20:24] <tgm4883> looks like max size for a exfat volume is 64 ZiB
[20:24] <gbaker> http://ntfs.com/exfat-comparison.htm
[20:24] <safari> haha thanks then!
[20:24] <tgm4883> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems
[20:26] <v1s> nsturdev: both, I am just not sure how to route the traffic to the connection I want. I know how to detect the connection and then do something but not sure how to activate the connetion  Iwant to use
[20:26] <multifractal> Bashing-om tried the "nomodeset" parameter. No more hanging on the 5-dot-splash screen. But after entering my password, the screen burps and sends me back to the login screen. And this happens on all kernel versions I tried.
[20:27] <multifractal> Bashing-om: so I went into recovery mode and put back "quiet splash" so here I am back at square 1.
[20:27] <v1s> nsturdev: I was trying something like this http://pastebin.com/qLfgeq0Q but it dont seem to be working right
[20:27] <akik> multifractal: why did you put it back?
[20:28] <multifractal> So that I could log in and get back here to IRC.
[20:28] <akik> multifractal: oh ok. but quiet splash has not connection with that
[20:28] <multifractal> With what?
[20:29] <Bashing-om> multifractal: That implies "you" have lost authority to access your desktop. At the login screen key combo ctl+alt+F1 to gain a console . what returns for ' la -al .ICEauthority ; ls -al .Xauthority ' ? Do "yiu" own both files ?
[20:29] <akik> multifractal: being able to login from login manager
[20:30] <multifractal> akik well changing from "nomodeset" to "quiet splash" evidently does have some effect because I'm here now, and I wasn't before.
[20:31] <Wicaeed> Greetings all, is there any way for adduser to take a users existing /etc/shadow password entry when making a new user on a new box??
[20:32] <akik> multifractal: nomodeset and quiet splash are not options for the same thing. quiet splash just hides the boot messages
[20:32] <multifractal> Bashing-om OK so I'll go back to "nomodeset", and then when login is failing, open the tty1?
[20:32] <nsturdev> v1s: so i don't think you need the connection id enp....., and based on your pastebin you are trying to tell it to use both ip's on the same connection so i think that is odd too
[20:33] <multifractal> akik, Oh I replaced the value of GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT from "quiet splash" to "nomodeset". Was that wrong?
[20:33] <tgm4883> multifractal: you are doing two separate things with that statement
[20:34] <tgm4883> multifractal: 1) Removing "quiet splash" causes the splash screen to no longer be shown
[20:34] <Bashing-om> multifractal: I do expect text to boot to TTY1 where you log into the system .. from there one can manually start the GUI and see the errors that might be generated . ( or have a look in the log files ) .
[20:34] <nsturdev> v1s: i think you can just to "route add default x.x.x.x" or "route del default"
[20:34] <tgm4883> multifractal: 2) nomodeset causes the kernel to not load video drivers
[20:34] <v1s> nsturdev: yes eth(enp0s25) is connected to a switch the switch is connected to the 2 routers that have static ip's so i am trying to route to the ip of the router I want to use. Maybe I am doing it wrong. Thats what I am trying to figure out
[20:35] <tgm4883> multifractal: this two settings have no bearing on each other
[20:35] <multifractal> tgm oooooh
[20:36] <ccolorado> Is there something going on with the ubuntu 14.04 repos ? I am getting 404's when trying to install libapache2-mod-php5
[20:36] <nacc> ccolorado: did you `apt-get update` first?
[20:36] <ccolorado> nacc: crap sorry I didn't
[20:37] <ccolorado> thanks
[20:37] <nacc> ccolorado: that's probably all it is
[20:37] <Bashing-om> !info libapache2-mod-php5 trusty
[20:37] <ccolorado> yup
[20:37] <multifractal> Bashing-om OK I'll reboot and do that stuff and find out whether my user account owns those files .Xauthority and .ICEauthority?
[20:38] <Bashing-om> multifractal: Yeah .. we all will be here , 1 step at the time to find the fault .
[20:38] <brunch875> hmmm I formatted my data drive into 2 partitions but when I mount them, they belong to root
[20:38] <brunch875> what's going on here?
[20:39] <nsturdev> v1s: so the process would be given the nic is set for network 1 you would need to be set static for an ip on network 1, say 192.168.1.2 with proper netmask and gw settings, when the conditions for network failure occurs you would have to reconfigure NIC for network 2 192.168.2.2 with correct netmask and gw
[20:39] <nsturdev> v1s: it will not be a simple one liner answer
[20:41] <Bashing-om> brunch875: 'root' owns the mount point .. change it to "you" : ' sudo chown <username>:<username> <mount_point> ' .
[20:41] <brunch875> will that remain fixed if I remount?
[20:41] <marrenarre> Hello. I'm using two monitors through my NVIDIA GPU, with NVIDIA's proprietary driver, and they are both working. I connected another monitor through my integrated Intel HD Graphics chip. I installed "Processor microcode firmware for Intel GPUs from intel-microcode (proprietary)" via "Additional Drivers", but the monitor is not detecting any signal. It is also not showing up in "Displays".
[20:42] <marrenarre> I have rebooted once since installing the proprietary Intel driver. The device is listed as "Unknown: Unknown" under "Additional Drivers", by the way.
[20:42] <multifractal_> Bashing-om Woah spooky. This time, all I did was change "queiet splash" to "nomodeset", and rebooted. Before dropping to console I thought "let me just type in password and see what happens". And it worked!!!! Voodoo magic?
[20:42] <marrenarre> Does anyone know how I can use the monitor as usual?
[20:42] <v1s> nsturdev: u can see my network interface conf here: http://pastebin.com/i2yWSBzY
[20:42] <multifractal_> Bashing-om, shall I check whether I own those files anyway, from here in my desktop environment?
[20:42] <marrenarre> (Make it work, I mean.)
[20:43] <Bashing-om> brunch875: Afirmative .. If this is a permanent mount .. - OH the above os for a ext filse system ! -  may want to consider editing /etc/fstab .
[20:43] <brunch875> fstab has no reference to this drive
[20:44] <multifractal_> Bashing-om they're both -rw------- 1 hal9000 hal9000 - I presume this means I do own them?
[20:44] <Bashing-om> multifractal_: No vodoo .. just with "nomodeset" as a boot option .. Kernel Mode Setting is disabled, and no upper level driver will be loaded .
[20:45] <multifractal_> Bashing-om but last time I used it, I got this login loop
[20:45] <Bashing-om> Nullifi3d: Still check that "you" own the .XXXauthority files .
[20:46] <multifractal_> If you're talking to me Bashing-om, then yes I already did and I do.
[20:46] <Bashing-om> multifractal_: Where you are " hal9000 " as your login ID .
[20:46] <multifractal_> Bashing-om that is correct.
[20:48] <Bashing-om> multifractal_: K, all good so far .. next we want to know if Nvidia module is available. What returns ' dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia ' ? on a pastebin site .
[20:49] <multifractal_> Bashing-om http://paste.ubuntu.com/19306888/
[20:50] <Bashing-om> brunch875: /etc/fstab will have no reference untill you as the system admin make it so . is this an internal drive that is permanent ? Be aware I only mount my data drives as on demand as I am super scared of data loss .
[20:52] <Bashing-om> multifractal_: The 352 version driver is installed ... what is the hardware - lspci -k | grep -EA2 'VGA|3D' ? and I verify that is the correct driver .
[20:53] <grabbed> dangggggggggggggg dude
[20:53] <grabbed> yo any bois out here
[20:53] <grabbed> bruh
[20:53] <brunch875> Bashing-om: well, my laptop comes with two disks: one of them is an SSD in which I installed ubuntu. But it's small so I ran out of space.
[20:53] <brunch875> I cleared my "big" drive and made two partitions: one for storing random stuff like wine prefixes and the android SDK and another in which to store films.
[20:54] <grabbed> well, my laptop comes with two disks: one of them is an SSD in which I installed ubuntu. But it's small so I ran out of space.
[20:54] <grabbed> I cleared my "big" drive and made two partitions: one for storing random stuff like wine prefixes and the android SDK and another in which to store films.
[20:54] <grabbed> bruh
[20:54] <nacc> grabbed: stop it.
[20:54] <grabbed> why
[20:54] <brunch875> grabbed: this is the ubuntu support channel. For chatting you can join #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:54] <nacc> grabbed: because this isn't a chatroom, it's the ubuntu support channel. And you're c&p other people's text.
[20:54] <grabbed> Oh im actually so sorry
[20:55] <Bashing-om> grabbed: Not to get banned sounds like a good reason why to stop .
[20:55] <genii> grabbed: In addition, just repeating what other users are saying is pretty annoying and just contributes to noise in the channel
[20:55] <grabbed> Im sorry dude
[20:56] <Jack777> Hi!
[20:57] <Luka00> Hello people I have taken memtest for the crash/freeze problem...
[20:57] <Bashing-om> brunch875: Sounds to me like what you do want is to automount your data partitions . show in a pastebin ' sudo parted -l ' so we know the file system types .
[20:57] <Luka00> it' s all ok 0 errors
[20:57] <RWBrf> Hello an good evening
[20:57] <Luka00> now where do I look for the cause of the problem?
[20:57] <multifractal_> Bashing-om, it's a nvidia quadro k1100m card, not sure how to find out which drivers it's compatible with, and/or the highest compatible one.
[20:57] <brunch875> Bashing-om: http://paste.ubuntu.com/19307538/
[20:58] <marrenarre> Any idea why my monitor connected through my integrated graphics card is labeled as "Unknown: Unknown" and does not work (no signal)?
[20:58] <Bashing-om> multifractal_: Give me the info requested . I will check and give you my link so you also know .
[20:58] <marrenarre> (Intel graphics)
[20:58] <multifractal_> Bashing-om 352 is just what it installed when I got CUDA toolkit from apt-get package manager. http://paste.ubuntu.com/19307195/
[20:59] <brunch875> well, what I was thinking about is moving the contents of the /opt folder into that drive and mounting it as /opt
[20:59] <brunch875> I don't know if it's such a hot idea though
[21:01] <Bashing-om> multifractal_: Ya want to automount ?.. you have ext4 partitons on your data disk - piece of cake to make that happen with an /etc/fstab edit to add the partitions to the table .
[21:01] <tgm4883> brunch875: not sure what your doing, but I don't see why you couldn't mount /opt on another drive. I do that frequently
[21:02] <brunch875> that "big drive" was a single partition when I installed ubuntu and it didn't mount automatically. I'm just surprised the two partitions I made from it with gparted mounted owned by root
[21:03] <multifractal_> Bashing-om I think that was intended for someone else.
[21:03] <brunch875> Bashing-om I suppose it would be better to automount if I'm putting /opt there ☺
[21:04] <Jack777> Developer C#?
[21:04] <nacc> !alis | Jack777
[21:04] <MonkeyDust> Jack777  type    /j ##c++
[21:04] <Bashing-om> multifractal_: Uh Huh .. have a look at what Nvidia recommends : http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/104284/en-us . Now we do have an option when you are ready to proceed .
[21:04] <nacc> Jack777: also, you've been doing this over the past few days, it seems (or users with a very similar nick)
[21:06] <Bashing-om> bbrMight I suggest the mount point to be in either /mnt or /media .. depending on IF ya want the file manager also aware of the drive's existence .
[21:06] <DJones> Jack777: You asked exactly the same question about 5-6 hours ago and were pointed to ##c++
[21:07] <Bashing-om> brunch875: ^^ . mount point ?
[21:07] <multifractal_> Bashing-om Nvidia recommends that as the best driver for my card? So I need to install that?
[21:08] <brunch875> Bashing-om: mean this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/19308448/
[21:08] <Jack777> multifractal_: I'not need to install the best drivers
[21:09] <Bashing-om> multifractal_: Yeah .. however .. no coms the rub .. that 367 version driver is only available for 16.04 from our trusted PPA .. else in 14.04 the best we can do is version 364 for the driver .
[21:09] <brunch875> brb need to hop to wifi
[21:09] <Jack777> I search developer C
[21:10] <brunch875> alright back sorry for that
[21:11] <Bashing-om> Brunost_: That is a part the puzzle to be put together .. have a look at what we are going to edit . ' cat /etc/fstab ' . And then we continue this discussion .
[21:13] <Bashing-om> brunch875: I should pay more attention to "autocomplete" my last "  That is a part the puzzle to be put together .. have a look at what we are going to edit . ' cat /etc/fstab ' . And then we continue this  discussion . " .
[21:13] <brunch875> Haha :D. This is what fstab has http://paste.ubuntu.com/19308811/
[21:14] <brunch875> sdb doesn't show anywhere on it
[21:14] <Jack777> GinoManWorks: Hi!
[21:15] <Bashing-om> brunch875: It will have no refernece to it .. that is your obligation as the system administrator to tell the system what "you" want to do .
[21:17] <brunch875> I guess what I want to do is automount the "programs" sdb partition in /opt
[21:17] <tgm4883> brunch875: so you need to add that to fstab
[21:17] <brunch875> UUID=_____ ext4 0 0
[21:17] <brunch875> would that be correct?
[21:17] <tgm4883> brunch875: no
[21:18] <brunch875> UUID=_____ /opt ext4 0 0
[21:18] <tgm4883> considering you don't have a mount point
[21:18] <brunch875> *
[21:18] <tgm4883> that looks better
[21:18] <albert> HI
[21:18] <albert> Проверка связи, ответьте кто нибудь) заранее спасибо.
[21:19] <Guest53885> Ладно, всем пока! отключаюсь, до завтра.
[21:19] <brunch875> Cheers! Thanks a lot. I suppose now I get the basics on fstab
[21:20] <brunch875> Another question: If the drive isn't mounted, will it draw less power?
[21:20] <brunch875> And will it be safer to shake my laptop?
[21:21] <tgm4883> brunch875: no, don't do that
[21:22] <brunch875> Just a mockingly way of asking if the hard drive will be inactive :p
[21:22] <tgm4883> brunch875: nope
[21:23] <brunch875> so there's no real benefit to have it unmounted, is there?
[21:23] <returnsource> what does the "-y" command in the terminal do?
[21:23] <tgm4883> brunch875: if it was encrypted, unmounting it might be beneficial in some cases
[21:23] <tgm4883> returnsource: depends on the command
[21:25] <returnsource> tgm4883, adding repositories
[21:25] <tgm4883> returnsource: with "apt-add-repository" ?
[21:25] <brunch875> returnsource: for instance, it you apt-get install program, it will ask for confirmation by hitting 'y'. But if you apt-get install -y program, it will assume you confirm
[21:26] <tgm4883> returnsource: have you tried "apt-add-repository -h" ?
[21:26] <returnsource> thanks brunch and tgm, I understand now =)
[21:27] <returnsource> I was using this command: "sudo apt-add-repository -y blablabla". I just wanted to know what the "-y" part meant
[21:27] <brunch875> you're basically telling it "yes, I'm sure" before it asks ☺
[21:28] <leyyin> hi, does anyone else get a bunch of "NO_PUBKEY" for a lot of ppas after an apt-get update?
[21:28] <leyyin> yesterday was fine :P
[21:29] <Renard> I'm going to migrate my parents' pc from one LTS to another (xenial-1 to xenial); only 1.8gb left on /, separated /home. How much space it needed for the upgrade process?
[21:30] <knv> hi
[21:30] <tgm4883> Renard: Not sure, how big is the / partition?
[21:30] <knv> how to get the source code for ubuntu
[21:30] <mutante> Renard: i dont know how much but i'd first check the size of /var/log and then maybe gzip or delete some logs to get a bit more
[21:30] <tgm4883> knv: 'apt source <package>' I believe
[21:31] <Renard> iirc it's on a 64gb ssd
[21:31] <k1l_> knv: what exactly?
[21:31] <knv> cant i get the whole sourcecode at once instead of package wise
[21:31] <tgm4883> Renard: might be worth doing a 'du / | sort -n -r | head'
[21:31] <Renard> or was it a 32gb one? not sure
[21:32] <tgm4883> knv: I'm not even sure that request makes sense
[21:32] <knv> oh kk
[21:32] <knv> i am new to linux developmenr
[21:32] <tgm4883> knv: I gathered that
[21:33] <k1l_> knv: a distributor (like ubuntu or debian or fedora or archlinux) is just a bunch of packages/projects. so there is not one sourcecode.
[21:33] <knv> thanks for the information
[21:34] <knv> how to get the source code for kernel
[21:35] <brunch875> you can get your hands busy here https://github.com/torvalds/linux
[21:35] <tgm4883> knv: with teh command I listed above for the linux-image you're looking for
[21:35] <mutante> knv: apt-get source   to get the source for the package
[21:36] <knv> thank u guys
[21:36] <knv> what does the source image 1,2,3,4 contain in the link :http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/16.04/release/source/
 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/16.04/release/source/
[21:37] <tgm4883> knv: I would gather that they "The source images contain the source code used to build Ubuntu."
[21:37] <knv> what does the source images in above link contain
[21:37] <knv> ??
[21:38] <tgm4883> knv: they contain "The source images contain the source code used to build Ubuntu."
[21:38] <TJ-> knv: The source code for everything included on the ISO images
[21:39] <tgm4883> I wonder if you need all 14GB for that
 is one image enough or all 4 images required
[21:39] <tgm4883> none of this is really support
[21:39] <k1l_> knv: what sourcecode do you need specifically?
[21:40] <k1l_> knv: it sounds like you are looking for something different and asking the wrong questions. what do you want to do? i guess you dont want to read 100billion lines of code from every small program used on the ubuntu iso.
[21:40] <knv> kil_:i need kernel and user permissions source code
[21:41] <k1l_> knv: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/SourceCode
[21:44] <TJ-> knv: e.g. "git clone git://kernel.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-xenial.git"
[21:46] <Guest46894> hi, I'm coming for some help, as my system is a bit messed with the language after this fresh install. Maybe a mistake was done : I have copied the content of my former home into the fresh one before rebooting.
[21:47] <Guest46894> now I have some pt_PT from former install that's in the French... no joy, how can I fix it?
[21:47] <potatoes_> how do I change the net mask
[21:47] <Guest46894> tried "locale", dpkg-reconfigure locales... read pages tried...
[21:47] <potatoes_> of my Network Interface
[21:47] <potatoes_> but not the IP?
[21:48] <tgm4883> potatoes_: server/desktop? dhcp/static?
[21:48] <julia9> did this https://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/Configure_Locales_in_Ubuntu but it didn't help
[21:48] <potatoes_> server
[21:48] <potatoes_> tgm4883: server i just wanna use ifconfig to update the net mask
[21:48] <tgm4883> potatoes_: dhcp/static?
[21:48] <potatoes_> static
[21:48] <potatoes_> not in the configuration file
[21:48] <potatoes_> from the CLI preferably
[21:51] <tgm4883> potatoes_: I'd try http://www.tecmint.com/ifconfig-command-examples/
[21:51] <julia9> anyone can help me?
[21:51] <julia9> here is what I get: http://pastebin.fr/47241
[21:52] <julia9> should I restart the session?
[21:53] <julia9> I'll bbl if I can't fix it...
[21:54] <multifractal> Bashing-om now my laptop freezes when resuming from suspend. Black screen. Never had this problem before.
[21:55] <faLUCE> hello. I installed 16.04. After some minutes of inactivity it goes in sleeping mode, turn off the screen and disables networking. How can I avoid that?
[21:57] <Bashing-om> multifractal: " now" ?? so ... what did you do ? re-install a grahic's driver or what ?
[21:57] <tatertots> hello guys
[21:57] <multifractal> Bashing-om now as in since getting rid of "quiet splash" and adding the "nomodeset". Still on 352, not 367.
[21:58] <tatertots> is there anything similar to BeyondTrust PowerBroker, cetrify, likewise-open in the repos for 14.04 and greater that you guys know of?
[22:00] <Tex_Nick> faLUCE: look at system settings/power ... set suspend to another value
[22:01] <faLUCE> Tex_Nick: already done
[22:01] <mrtAkdeniz> howdy!
[22:01] <mrtAkdeniz> quick question about cron
[22:01] <mrtAkdeniz> is "*/1     *       *       *       *       php /var/www/test/*.php"
[22:02] <mrtAkdeniz> run all php files on test directory
[22:02] <mrtAkdeniz> does*
[22:02] <Ben64> i doubt it
[22:03] <mrtAkdeniz> any ideas Ben64 ?
[22:03] <Ben64> don't do that
[22:03] <Bashing-om> multifractal: K .. with the 'nomodeset' boot option will not load any higher level drivers . How do you feel aboit trying the 364 driver ? .. will require to install our trusted PPA .
[22:04] <mrtAkdeniz> so how to do this Ben64 ?
[22:04] <Ben64> it's not a good idea to automatically run every file in a place, seems like a good way to get exploited
[22:05] <mohamed> hello
[22:05] <mrtAkdeniz> hello mohamed
[22:05] <mohamed> i'm new in Linux
[22:05] <mohamed> but it seem so interesting
[22:06] <mohamed> so can any one give advise about documentation
[22:06] <mohamed> or tutorials about Ubuntu Desktop and Servers
[22:06] <Ben64> !manual | mohamed
[22:08] <curlears> no joy )-:
[22:11] <curlears> I decided to just go ahead an ibnstall 14.04.4, which I have a DVD for, then install 16.04 over the top, after dl-ing it and writing a DVD for it.  The install diedsd, and offered to upload statistics to ubuntu.com for their analysis (internal linux error).  I clicked yes, and after a few minutes that died, claming that the packaged that had caused
[22:11] <curlears>  to problem was a "third party package" and not their problem.  I followed some  "links" on my system to a detailed breakdown of the problem, and apparently some pythomg (<something>.py) casued the faul;t.   *grr*
[22:11] <curlears> so, here I am, rtunning undwer LiveDVD again, wondering what to try next.  Casuing ubuntu to load into RAM instaed of running off the DVD didn't work, either.  )0-:
[22:12] <curlears> sorry for the long block of text
[22:12] <curlears> I forgot to h it <return>
[22:12] <Ben64> ...why not just install 16.04
[22:16] <Eleuser> i don't really like Ubuntu
[22:17] <k1l_> Eleuser: there are many other OS out there. just use some of them, good luck
[22:17] <curlears> Ben64: because I don't haave a 16.04 DVD, and it turns out that the 16.04 ISO I do have (on a USB thumb) is useless, because I can't boot from a USB thumb, apparently.  I am currently on 14.04.4 LiveDVD, so even though I can d/l 16.04, I can't use the DVD drive to make and install a DVD
[22:17] <Bashing-om> Eleuser: So ? ... must be a hundred or so alternatives .
[22:17] <curlears> gads, I am so verbosw
[22:17] <k1l_> curlears: so that machine cant boot from usb? any usb?
[22:18] <curlears> k1l_:  hello,. it's been a while
[22:18] <Ben64> curlears: if it was made in the last decade or so it should be able to boot usb
[22:18] <curlears> k1l_  not as far as I can see.  There are several USB boot options inthe "BIOS,"  I've tried them all, non work with a thumb/  The all want USB HDD, USB Floppy, etc.
[22:19] <Tin_man> curlears, if not you can download the iso for Plop, it will manage most usb boots for most machines that don't support it in the bios
[22:19] <Jack777> Hello !
[22:19] <Ben64> curlears: if it says usb hdd it can boot from usb
[22:19] <k1l_> curlears: so that can boot form usb. just make sure the usb is properly made and working.
[22:20] <curlears> Tin_man: how would I go about using it?  I cannot write anything to a DVD, as I am running off it.  Several people here said I could cause 14.04.4 to load itself off th4e DVD into RAM, but their uinstructiions didn't work
[22:20] <andrea>  /server irc.QuartzNet.Org
[22:21] <Tin_man> didn't know you didn't have access to make a dvd ..
[22:21] <curlears> K1l_  The USB thumb had the 14.04.4 inistaller on it, no matter which USB boot option I chose, when I started my machine, the BIOS would complain of no device
[22:21] <k1l_> curlears: why are you making everything that complicated? get a 2Gb usb pendrive. make it a bootable ubuntu with the ubuntu.iso and "dd".
[22:22] <Kwiatuszyn> Hi :)
[22:22] <curlears> j1l_:  tweo problems, 1)  I have no money t spend on USB pen drives (or anyting else, it tok me two months to save enough for a replacenment PSU), 2)  I have no transportation to get to a dealer who might sock such an item
[22:22] <Ben64> usb drives cost nothing, you say you already have one, use that?
[22:23] <curlears> I realize that my problems are a tad unusual, and I apologize for being a huge pain in the arse to all of you.  I *AM* trying
[22:23] <EoinDee> hey guys I have 2 gpus in my system. 1x gt 710 and 1x gtx 970, for whatever reason I cannot force ubuntu to output from the GT710 . any clues ?
[22:23] <Kwiatuszyn> Can someone help me to install VNC on my ubuntu server 14.04 ? I tried using google but all time terminal and other options didn't work
[22:23] <k1l_> curlears: honestly: i dont know what you did to your system this time? i thought you had a running system the last time.
[22:23] <curlears> Ben64: I have a USAB thumb, not a drive.  This system doesn't seem to like thumbs for booting from.
[22:24] <Ben64> curlears: same thing
[22:24] <k1l_> curlears: that doesnt make sense. if the usb thumb is made correctly the bios (who can boot from usb hdd etc) will boot from it.
[22:24]  * bprompt wonders what an USAB thumb looks like
[22:25] <multifractal> Bashing-om I'll try this 367.27 driver installation out. Let's roll.
[22:25] <curlears> k1l_:   no, last time I was here, I couldn't plug my HDDs into my PSU, without it making the entire systenm unstable.  I finally got a replacement PSU, and R7Red it this week.   NOw, I am stuck with LiveDVD because I don't have an installed OS, and I can't ghet my 14.04.4 DVD to install (it keeps erroring out, as I explained when I firsrt cma ein t
[22:25] <curlears> o the channel)
[22:25] <bprompt> curlears:     download the 16.04 iso, raw-write it to the usb stick, either using "dd" or a burner app, and boot, done, be happy, eat ice-cream
[22:26] <Bashing-om> multifractal: No can do 367 in 14.04 . 14.04's Xstack does not support the driver .
[22:26] <Kwiatuszyn> Can someone help me to install VNC on my ubuntu server 14.04 ? I tried using google but all time terminal and other options didn't work
[22:26] <curlears> bprompt: that's what I didi with it, I "wrote" it to the USB thumb with one of the burnwer progs.  W#Hat is the syntax for doing it with dd?
[22:27] <k1l_> curlears: ok. but this should not be an issue now. i guess your usb drive is not properly made or your system needs some special treatment, like nomodeset or such. but that depends on the exact errors.
[22:27] <bprompt> curlears:      dd if=YOURFILE.iso of=/dev/YOURTHUMBDRIVE
[22:27] <Ben64> Kwiatuszyn: sudo apt-get install vnc4server
[22:27] <curlears> bprompt: thanks, will give that a try
[22:28] <Kwiatuszyn> Ben64: I tried this but i have a problem with the terminal. The terminal didn't work all time :/
[22:28] <bprompt> curlears:    there's also an usb-creator-gtk, you can download, using the liveUSB session and run, for that session, to burn the iso
[22:28] <Ben64> Kwiatuszyn: what's the error
[22:29] <Kwiatuszyn> Ben64: no erros. I couldn't write anything in the terminal
[22:29] <bprompt> curlears:    using "dd", you'd get no progress bar, however, if you're on a usb2.0 port and with a usb2.0 stick, it may take around 8mins to burn
[22:29] <Ben64> Kwiatuszyn: doesn't make sense
[22:30] <curlears> I am mystified also by this error I get when my 14.04.4 DVD boots, before ubuntu starts, it complains about some NOLOD<something> file being missing, then finally drops me in ot a text menu where I can choose either "try ubuntu", or run some memmory tests and stuff.   I don't know why the DVD executable wouold be asking for something that should be
[22:30] <curlears>  part of the running system, since it purports to run the system for you
[22:31] <ThomasMcG> Hi.  I have an Ubuntu 14 box running as a server.  I'm having some logging trouble, and wanted to install rsyslog to help with it.  So I did that, and there were no errors on the install.  If I start the service it says 'running'.  BUT, if I test the 'rsyslogd' daemon by trying to launch it at the shell ...
[22:31] <ThomasMcG> I get "rsyslogd: error while loading shared libraries: libfastjson.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[22:31] <Kwiatuszyn> Ben64: Ok. I'm installing vnc4server and i paste you log from session. Ok ?
[22:31] <ThomasMcG> But apt tells me "libfastjson is already the newest version"
[22:31] <ThomasMcG> Could someone lend a hand troubleshooting this?
[22:32] <andrea_> \server irc.quartznet.org
[22:33] <Kwiatuszyn> Ben64: I cannot type anything in terminal :/
[22:33] <Ben64> Kwiatuszyn: ok well then something is broken
[22:34] <Kwiatuszyn> Ben64: and i have a gray background :/
[22:35] <Ben64> have no idea what you're describing
[22:35] <Kwiatuszyn> Ben64: http://pastebin.com/r8DLR5ED
[22:35] <curlears> OK...12 minutes to d/l 16.04 64bit.
[22:35] <Ben64> Kwiatuszyn: ok?
[22:35] <curlears> I wonder if 16.04 (64) for the Pi3 is ready yet?  anyone in here know?
[22:36] <Kwiatuszyn> Ben64: http://pastebin.com/r8DLR5ED there is a log
[22:36] <bprompt> curlears:    I run it on i5, runs fine, should be no issues for i3 AFAIK
[22:36] <curlears> ThomasMcG: it is possible what you are installing is looking for an earlier verison than the one you have installed.
[22:37] <Ben64> Kwiatuszyn: with no useful information
[22:37] <nacc> curlears: do you mean Raspberry Pi3?
[22:37] <ThomasMcG> curlears: Hi. Not sure how that happens, but okay.  What can I *do* about it?
[22:38] <curlears> brompt:  not "i3", I wwould never be caught dead running an Intel processor.  (as in, Raspberry Pi Model 3B+)
[22:38] <curlears> ThomasMcG: I am not knowledgeable to assist you any further with this probl;em, it just sounds like many others I have seen resolved in here
[22:39] <Kwiatuszyn> Ben64: http://i.imgur.com/wDaKCN4.png
[22:39] <minimec> curlears: Looks like ubuntu mate for the Pi3 is based on 16.04 already.
[22:39] <minimec> curlears: https://ubuntu-mate.org/raspberry-pi/
[22:39] <Ben64> Kwiatuszyn: try xterm
[22:40] <nacc> ThomasMcG: pastebin `apt-cache policy rsyslog` and `apt-cache policy libfastjson` ?
[22:40] <curlears> minimec: yes, but the first version available was 32 bit only.  I am wondering if they've released the 64 bit version as yet
[22:40] <ThomasMcG> nacc: Sure thing.  Just a sec pls.
[22:41] <OneM_Industries> Um.. Silly question, but I can't find the backups application. At all. And the System Settings window is not coming up.
[22:41] <Gribo> Where can I get some good themes for the latest ubuntu?
[22:41] <Bashing-om> !themes
[22:41] <minimec> curlears: Oh I see. According to the 'mate' download site, the builds are still 'aarch32'... https://ubuntu-mate.org/download/
[22:42] <Gribo> thanks Bashing-om
[22:42] <OneM_Industries> How do I go about finding out what is wrong and fixing it?
[22:42] <nacc> ThomasMcG: fwiw, i just launched trusty in a lxd container. rsyslogd was installed by default, but it is clearly running, and has no dependencies on 'libfastjson'
[22:42] <ThomasMcG> nacc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/19315621/
[22:42] <Gribo> Bashing-om: Do I need to take anything into account if I'm using Unity?
[22:42] <Bashing-om> Gribo: Little biity bit of assist there .
[22:42] <nacc> !ppa | ThomasMcG
[22:42] <Gribo> What?
[22:43] <nacc> ThomasMcG: you chose to use a PPA, which provides your rsyslog. It appears to be broken. Please consult the PPA owner. In the meanwhile, I recommend purging said PPA.
[22:43] <nacc> !ppa-purge | ThomasMcG
[22:44] <Bashing-om> Gribo: I would think pretty straight forward .. per the tutorial .. But, I do not use unity, so have no direct ecperience .
[22:45] <curlears> my download of 16.04 just jumped from 12 minutes left to 56 minutes left )-:
[22:46] <curlears> now it says 1 hr lweft  *ARGH*
[22:46] <curlears> I have to go make supper
[22:47] <mutante> curlears: https://xkcd.com/612/
[22:47] <Tex_Nick> curlears: it really doesn't help to post a progress bar to the channel ;-)
[22:47] <Tex_Nick> curlears: be patient ;-)
[22:49] <Bassem> After install Lubuntu 16.04 show the following message during the boot:  lvmetad is not active yet; using direct activation during sysinit /dev/mapper/lubuntu--vg-root: clean, 121574/7168000 files, 1115621/2865544 blocks  I wait 3 hours but dont show the login screen.
[22:50] <Bassem> After install ubuntu 16.04 show the following message during the boot:  lvmetad is not active yet; using direct activation during sysinit /dev/mapper/lubuntu--vg-root: clean, 121574/7168000 files, 1115621/2865544 blocks  I wait 1 hour but dont show the login screen.
[22:50] <neq5> hello ;)
[22:51] <EoinDee> guys if I have 2 seperate GPU's in my system , how do i force it to use one of them ( 2 different brands and models of GPU )
[22:54] <Bashing-om> EoinDee: Depends on the hardware .. Intel/Nvidia == nvidia-prime as the controller .
[22:54] <EoinDee> i am actually pulling my hair out, is the video output determined by PCI slot ?
[22:54] <EoinDee> I have an i7 6700k which I won't be using
[22:54] <EoinDee> but I have a 970gtx +  a 710GT
[22:55] <EoinDee> and i can see the video cards in the nvidia xserver settings
[22:55] <EoinDee> i can see it when i try lspci
[22:55] <EoinDee> but i cannot get it to display anything
[22:56] <EoinDee> i am hoping to use my GT 710 for my host machine and passthrough my gtx 970
[22:56] <EoinDee> but for some reason my 970 takes over no matter what
[22:56] <Bassem> After install ubuntu 16.04 show the following message during the boot:  lvmetad is not active yet; using direct activation during sysinit /dev/mapper/lubuntu--vg-root: clean, 121574/7168000 files, 1115621/2865544 blocks  I wait 1 hour but dont show the login screen
[22:57] <Bashing-om> EoinDee: SLI .. no experieince .,.. but maybe : http://askubuntu.com/questions/631034/15-04-how-to-check-if-nvidia-sli-is-enabled-w-proprietary-drivers will get you started .
[22:58] <Prince___> hey
[22:58] <bonzibuddy> hello
[22:58] <bonzibuddy> id like to roll back my broadcom wifi chipset driver
[22:58] <EoinDee> @bashing-om i am not looking to SLI the cards unfortunately
[22:58] <bonzibuddy> it is the final step in debugging my poor wifi performance
[22:58] <Prince___> from which country you are
[22:58] <bonzibuddy> is there a recommended way to roll back a wifi driver?
[23:02] <minimec> bonzibuddy: I guess we would need some additional information. Is this the default kerner driver that was working in previous kernel series, and has problems now, or did you compile this driver yourself?
[23:02] <bonzibuddy> minimec: it is the default as determined by ubuntu;  I have just found that I can force a version in synaptic
[23:03] <bonzibuddy> the wifi card has had disconnect problems for a while now
[23:03] <minimec> bonzibuddy: Oh. Ok. So first try the different options.
[23:03] <bonzibuddy> minimec: thx :)
[23:03] <m1s3rys1gn4l> guys anyone here ?
[23:04] <minimec> bonzibuddy: Could it be that you can set some options for the driver? Normally this is done in /etc/modprobe.d/yourdriver.conf. Maybe search the net for that.
[23:04] <Prince___> yes
[23:06] <minimec> bonzibuddy: Just one idea. SOmetimes it helps to force 2.4ghz connection, instead of 5ghz, or disable the 'n' network for the device.
[23:07] <Bray90820> Are all LVM snapshots removed once you restart ubuntu
[23:07] <bonzibuddy> minimec: noted, I will add that to the list :)
[23:07] <Bassem> minimec: After install ubuntu 16.04 show the following message during the boot:  lvmetad is not active yet; using direct activation during sysinit /dev/mapper/lubuntu--vg-root: clean, 121574/7168000 files, 1115621/2865544 blocks  I wait 1 hour but dont show the login screen
[23:07] <nacc> !patience | Bassem
[23:09] <minimec> Bassem: Hi. What did you do again? As far As I remember you had a working installation yesterday. At least you were asking for a bunch af things to install after that installation...
[23:14] <Bassem> minimec: Software & Updates >>> Additional Drivers >>> then i select nividia binery  xorg driver rather than x org x server..then i got low graphic message again then i alt f1 and did this sudo apt-get update >>> sudo apt-get -d install --reinstall gdm >>> sudo apt-get remove --purge gdm >>> sudo apt-get install gdm >>> then i reboot and now this
[23:17] <minimec> Bassem: Why do you always switch to 'gdm'? If you are not using gnome3, I see no need to switch to gdm... Lightdm is default for all the ubuntu derivatives, besides ubuntu-gnome.
[23:17] <Bassem> minimec: i dont know any of this i saw instruction and follow it forgive me for being new to all this
[23:17] <minimec> Bassem: I can't really help you, because I never had such a prolbem, and I have an encrypted installation too...
[23:18] <Bassem> minimec: so i'll reinstall it again?
[23:18] <poi> how do I configure the open source AMD drivers on 16.04?
[23:18] <poi> I need to enable vsync, for example
[23:20] <minimec> Bassem: You should maybe stay on default settings. As far as I know you don't need to switch the login manager in compbination with the nvidia proprietary driver.
[23:20] <Bassem> minimec: is there any way to fix the current situation or do i need new installtion
[23:21] <Bassem> minimec: i changed to nividia because the picture were too slow when i display HD movies
[23:21] <poi> is there a control panel for the open source AMD drivers?
[23:21] <Bashing-om> Bassem: If you want Gnome .. install : http://ubuntugnome.org/download/ .
[23:22] <minimec> Bassem: I see no problem in activating the proprietary driver, but that is just done in the 'additional drivers' GUI. There is no need to switch the login manager.
[23:23] <poi> can anyone see my text?
[23:23] <ikonia> yes
[23:24] <poi> do you know if there's a control panel for managing the open source AMD drivers on the latest ubuntu?
[23:24] <minimec> Bassem: As you cannot boot your encrypted system anymore, the easiest way is probalby to reinstall. You could also run an installation disk and mount the encrypted drive and debug the installation. But this is by far not a trivial thing.
[23:24] <ikonia> no
[23:25] <poi> goddamnit all I need to do is turn on vsync, why is this so fucking difficult
[23:25] <ikonia> poi: please don't swear, there is no need for it
[23:25] <ikonia> it's also not allowed in this channel
[23:26] <poi> this is why people think linux is garbage, can't even do the simplest things
[23:26] <ikonia> poi: of course you can
[23:26] <poi> ok, tell me, how do I enable vsync
[23:26] <ikonia> and people don't think it's garbage, as you can see many people are using it
[23:26] <ikonia> poi: I have no idea without checking, I'd imagine it can be forced in the xorg.conf
[23:26] <poi> where it the checkbox to enable vsync
[23:27] <ikonia> poi: I don't use the amd drivers at the moment, so I can't check for you
[23:27] <YankDownUnder> "Can't even do the simplest things" generally refers to those that do not investigate before jumping into something, and then getting angry at others because they're not catered to as though they're terminally unique and important.
[23:27] <poi> YankDownUnder: I just searched for over an hour on how to enable vsync on 16.04
[23:27] <poi> don't give me your bullcrap
[23:27] <ikonia> pretty sure it's always been an xorg setting
[23:27] <YankDownUnder> poi: I've spent MONTHS searching for answers. One hour is moot.
[23:27] <ikonia> poi: tone it down please.
[23:28] <poi> YankDownUnder: then you have no life and don't make money with your computer
[23:28] <poi> I do
[23:28] <YankDownUnder> poi: Think before you speak. I ran linux since 1992, I am a consultant, and have been since 1986. Have a lovely day.
[23:29] <poi> so how do I enable vsync
[23:29] <ikonia> poi: it's normally an xorg option
[23:30] <poi> ikonia: normally I just check a checkbox
[23:30] <poi> and it's enabled
[23:30] <ikonia> poi: normally where ?
[23:30] <poi> in the control panel
[23:30] <ikonia> poi: in what control pannel
[23:30] <poi> where it belongs
[23:30] <poi> the amd control panel
[23:30] <hggdh> ...
[23:30] <poi> ...
[23:30] <poi> indeed
[23:30] <ikonia> poi: can't you do that now ?
[23:31] <ikonia> if thats how you normally do it
[23:31] <poi> where's the control panel
[23:31] <poi> for the amd drivers
[23:31] <k1l_> poi: amd stopped making fglrx and that control panel.
[23:31] <poi> k1l_: yeah I know, so how do I manage the OSS driver?
[23:31] <ikonia> poi: you tell me - you keep telling me you do it that wy
[23:31] <CodeMouse92> The open source driver does not have a "control panel" in that sense.
[23:32] <CodeMouse92> (I'm running the open source AMD on Ubuntu 16.04 as well)
[23:32] <poi> CodeMouse92: so how do I change the settings then?
[23:32] <poi> I need to enable vsync and other options
[23:32] <compdoc> CodeMouse92, how is that driver working for you?
[23:32] <ikonia> poi: quick solution is to set it in the xorg.conf
[23:32] <ikonia> create one and set that one setting
[23:32] <CodeMouse92> compdoc: Works great - actually, better than fglrx on my particular machine.
[23:33] <poi> CodeMouse92: do you have vsync enabled?
[23:33] <compdoc> CodeMouse92, what cpu you use?
[23:33] <poi> compdoc: can I get some help first please?
[23:33] <lukas> Hello Guys?
[23:34] <lukas> !*
[23:34] <ikonia> hello lukas
[23:34] <CodeMouse92> poi: I'm not totally certain. My screen is just working the way I need it off the bat. And, be nice to compdoc - I (and most people) are capable of having multiple simultanous convos. You're quickly burning bridges here with your attitude
[23:34] <minimec> poi: Could it be that your monitor does not comunicate well with the driver? The solution by ikonia (xorg.conf) should work. Other idea would be to try to add a '--newmode' with xrandr I guess.
[23:34] <poi> ubuntu is quickly burning bridges with it's lack of basic functionality from 1995
[23:34] <CodeMouse92> compdoc: I've got an AMD A6-3400M
[23:34] <compdoc> ubuntu is awesome
[23:34] <ikonia> poi: I've muted you - so you can no longer speak
[23:35] <k1l_> *sigh*
[23:35] <ikonia> xorg/amd is not an ubuntu problem - it's linux in general, and your constant complaining has to end before you can talk again
[23:35] <Guest46158> windows isn't awesome
[23:35] <CodeMouse92> This appears relevant to poi's issue: http://askubuntu.com/questions/730963/turn-off-vsync-radeon-and-create-xorg-conf
[23:35] <CodeMouse92> Wait, nm...
[23:37] <poi> so first off, it is an ubuntu problem. ubuntu ships the OSS driver and preconfigures it to work with their distribution. vsync is _basic functionality_ and should not only be enabled by default, but should also easiuly be disabled or enabled by the user within the GUI
[23:37] <poi> period
[23:37] <ikonia> poi: there is no gui
[23:37] <ikonia> poi: ubuntu doesn't ship it pre-configured, xorg autodetects configuration
[23:37] <ikonia> poi: sometimes you have to override detection with a hardcoded settings
[23:37] <ikonia> this is what I'm suggesting you do for your vsync settings
[23:38] <poi> no, ubuntu installs itself with the amd oss driver configured at install time
[23:38] <CodeMouse92> poi: Ubuntu is a patchwork of thousands of pieces of software. Linux is essentially CLI-based, and the GUI is made by multiple people. It isn't "Ubuntu's problem", as if they were some enitty that decides each detail of the OS and all its software.
[23:38] <ikonia> poi: right, because you have an ati card, whatelse is it meant to use ?
[23:38] <k1l_> poi: i guess you better rant at amd for stopping making the fglrx while the opensource drivers they want to contribute to intsead dont provide proper functionality.
[23:38] <ikonia> poi: your choice is a.) work with people to get a solution you can use b.) be quiet/leave the channel
[23:38] <ikonia> pick one for your next response
[23:39] <ikonia> no more nonsense will be tollerated
[23:40] <poi> so, on RHEL 7 there is a RedHat control panel that manages the open source AMD driver
[23:40] <ikonia> poi: get the details of it - see if exists in ubuntu
[23:41] <ikonia> poi: or what part of the software stack it is
[23:41] <poi> RedHat made the effort to ensure basic functionality works out of the box with their distro
[23:41] <ikonia> poi: get the details on it
[23:41] <k1l_> poi: so i guess you can ask redhat for the sourcecode and package it for ubuntu, right? or is it closed source?
[23:41] <poi> it's in their Workstation repo
[23:41] <ikonia> poi: get the details
[23:41] <ikonia> there is no workstation repo
[23:41] <poi> it's open source but I don't know anything about it
[23:41] <ikonia> so get the real details
[23:41] <ikonia> then get the details
[23:42] <ikonia> and you don't know it's opensource if you don't know the details, please get the details
[23:42] <k1l_> poi: stop making pointless drama in here.
[23:42] <poi> so, I need to go and get open source code from another distro and try and figure out how to get Red Hat code to run on a debian distribution just so I can enable vsync?
[23:42] <ikonia> poi: no, it may already exist
[23:42] <ikonia> poi: hence why if you get the details we can look at it
[23:43] <k1l_> poi: you are just busy ranting in here instead of looking for a solutions. so you might better go and get happy with your rhel7 then
[23:43] <poi> I can't use RHEL 7 at home, I don't pay for a RHEL license, my work does
[23:43] <k1l_> there were several solutions told already. but he is just busy making drama.
[23:43] <poi> lol, no no one gave any solutions
[23:43] <ikonia> poi: well, come back when you have the details then
[23:43] <ikonia> poi: you can set it in the xorg.conf
[23:44] <ikonia> poi: (or modular file)
[23:44] <poi> ikonia: how?>
[23:44] <ikonia> I've said 3 - 4 times
[23:44] <poi> really? where?
[23:44] <CodeMouse92> poi: He did. Read above.
[23:44] <poi> all you said was xorg
[23:44] <ikonia> poi: create an xorg file or a modular file, include the driver setting for vsync
[23:44] <poi> how do I do that
[23:44] <poi> what are the commands I enter for that
[23:44] <poi> you have a guide?
[23:45] <poi> a wiki?
[23:45] <CodeMouse92> poi: XOrg config in general https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config
[23:45] <poi> or do I just go open a terminal and start guessing
[23:45] <ikonia> poi: do you want to turn it on or off
[23:45] <poi> on
[23:45] <ikonia> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI#Turn_vsync_off
[23:45] <ikonia> if he had just been cool for a few more minutes
[23:46] <CodeMouse92> ikonia: Are we sure that wasn't a flatfish?
[23:47] <k1l_> well, he didnt even read the answers. was busy praising rhel and ranting about ubuntu. lets move on.
[23:48] <Powerless> does anyone know a good chat app for business like spark/openfire which is better than those ones?
[23:48] <YankDownUnder> Any type of "technical support" is always two parts - the TECHNICAL problem, and the PERSON problem.
[23:48] <ikonia> Powerless: spark is pretty good
[23:48] <YankDownUnder> Powerless: You've tried "Spark" already?
[23:49] <ikonia> used that many times without issue
[23:51] <Powerless> YankDownUnder, nope...will try it in a bit.i just wanted to know it was really one of the best
[23:52] <YankDownUnder> Powerless: Fair enough. One of the issues with this is the advent of "instant messengers" and the likes - where small businesses/medium businesses are actually using stuff already entrenched in the market place...as we're all well aware...
[23:52] <CodeMouse92> TBH, I like IRC for team collaboration.
[23:52] <ikonia> Powerless: it should do everything most businesses want
[23:53] <Powerless> YankDownUnder, wanted to try something thats offline thatś why
[23:53] <YankDownUnder> CodeMouse92: There are many that view IRC as being vastly primitive - and because of the GUI's, well, it appeals to techie's and geeks - not to Mrs. Smith from Accounting...know what I mean?
[23:54] <CodeMouse92> YankDownUnder: Maybe so, except my non-techie content development department loves it :P
[23:54] <CodeMouse92> But, each team has different dynamics, so different tools for each.
[23:54] <YankDownUnder> CodeMouse92: Coolbeans - then they is folks I'd like :)
[23:59] <slim> +x