[11:28] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[15:44] <tgm4883> nacc: I can't do it
[15:45] <nacc> tgm4883: me neither :)
[15:46] <tgm4883> I'm not sure why users think they need to hide stuff from us
[15:46] <tgm4883> tell the truth, take your lashing, and move on
[15:47] <Bashing-om> The truth, the whole truth ...... and nothing but the truth; thank you .
[15:48] <tgm4883> it's like dealing with children sometimes....
[15:48] <nacc> tgm4883: yeah, basically after 15 minutes, no difference -- ask the ppa owner for support :)
[15:53] <ducasse> what's the state on snaps and support? are they supported in #ubuntu, or by the developer?
[15:53] <tgm4883> hmm, good question
[15:53] <tgm4883> ducasse: the developer I would think
[15:54] <ducasse> ok. what about the canonical snaps?
[15:54] <ducasse> :)
[15:54] <Bashing-om> ducasse: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2321161 ; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2327088 shed any light ?
[15:54] <tgm4883> ducasse: does canonical make snaps?
[15:55] <tgm4883> snaps should "Just work"(TM) so if they don't, it seems like support should be with the developer
[15:56] <ducasse> tgm4883: well, they are listed as developer on some of them
[15:57] <ducasse> tgm4883: ufw and nextcloud, for example
[15:57] <tgm4883> ducasse: we should probably define what support is. All it could likely be with any snap is "reproduce issue, figure out if issue is with package or snappy, file bug"
[15:57] <tgm4883> ducasse: UFW has a snap?
[15:57] <tgm4883> that... doesn't even make sense
[15:58] <ducasse> tgm4883: for ubuntu core, i just noticed
[15:58] <tgm4883> eh, I guess so
[15:58] <tgm4883> since it's just configuring iptables
[17:20] <nacc> tgm4883: so you can put it on the list of things not to install? :)
[17:20] <tgm4883> yea pretty much
[17:21] <tgm4883> It would be also interesting to see if the user is just misinformed
[17:21] <tgm4883> maybe it just says it supports one version of the kernel
[17:22] <nacc> tgm4883: yeah, but given their response to why was "ask the devs /rof", I don't know if they know
[17:24] <OerHeks> Well gentlemen, we tried.
[17:24] <nacc> OerHeks: :)
[17:29]  * OerHeks is trying to upgrade 15.10-16.04 .. for 3rd day now .. too busy doing something else important
[17:36] <nicomachus> OerHeks: good luck. what IRC client are you using?
[17:37] <OerHeks> hexchat
[17:37] <nicomachus> ok. 16.04 comes with a new version of irssi that breaks a lot of configs, so just checking.
[17:37] <OerHeks> actually i am ready, backup done, usb ready with iso, just hit the upgrade button ..
[17:38] <OerHeks> i read that yesterday, irssi
[17:39] <nicomachus> it's easy to fix, just a bit frustrating when I didn't realize what was going on. :)
[17:40] <OerHeks> didn't know that issue, not seen in #ubuntu anyway
[17:40] <nicomachus> All of a sudden SASL was broken and I couldn't connect to freenode over proxy.
[17:40] <nicomachus> probably because the people that need help can't get connected. haha
[17:41] <OerHeks> likely, yes
[17:41] <OerHeks> but then they would go over to webchat.
[17:41] <nicomachus> Google gives an answer pretty quickly, though.
[17:49] <nicomachus> having trouble figuring out why the kernel versions are different between my two xenial machines. :/
[17:49] <nacc> nicomachus: what are the two versions?
[17:51] <nicomachus> https://paste.ubuntu.com/19389046/
[17:52] <nacc> so they both have 4.4.0-28 installed
[17:52] <nicomachus> the weird part is, Box 2 on that paste is using the -28 kernel, not the -41
[17:52] <nicomachus> nacc: but Box 1 is using -31 (just installed)
[17:53] <nacc> nicomachus: you'd want to box 2 to be using -28, -41 is the 4.2.0 15.10 kernel
[17:53] <nacc> nicomachus: i think it's just a timing thing, my mirror just got the new kernel (-31) in the last 10 minutes
[17:54] <nicomachus> nacc: ah, I didn't consider the -41 being leftover from 15.10
[17:54] <nicomachus> I suppose I may get the -31 for it later today. just checked and it wasn't there yet.
[17:55] <nacc> nicomachus: you could always switch to the primary archive (or use the same as box 1), but that update just rolled out today
[17:55] <nicomachus> they are the same, oddly.
[17:56] <nacc> strange!
[18:08] <OerHeks> 4.2.0.42.45 rolling in here too
[18:08] <OerHeks> 15.10
[18:10] <OerHeks> brb
[18:15] <nicomachus> nowww I'm getting -31 on this box.
[18:17] <nacc> nicomachus: very strange!
[18:47] <daftykins> you didn't need sudo to look in /boot :D
[18:48] <nicomachus> daftykins: yea you're right. oh well.
[18:48] <nicomachus> I was thinking it gave a more complete list, but it's the same.
[18:48] <daftykins> :)
[18:58] <tgm4883> rsync is not a backup...
[18:59] <nacc> heh
[19:05] <lordievader> It can do backup tasks... Dirvish, a backup utility, is a simple wrapper around rsync.
[19:06] <tgm4883> lordievader: I'd argue it's not doing a backup task then
[19:07] <tgm4883> but ok, rsync, without some sort of wrapper, is not a backup utility
[19:07] <lordievader> Can still be.
[19:07] <tgm4883> lordievader: meh, it can be in the same way that cp can be
[19:08] <lordievader> Yes, a very manual backup utility.
[19:34] <tgm4883> OerHeks: I must be irritable today
[19:35] <dax> duplicity <3
[19:35] <OerHeks> not in my ears
[19:37] <nacc> tgm4883: me too :0
[19:38] <tgm4883> wth is deep trying to do?
[19:38] <nacc> something wrong, presuambly
[19:38] <nacc> but won't tell waht
[19:40] <tgm4883> yea
[19:40] <tgm4883> !slap jilocasin0
[19:41] <nacc> heh
[19:42] <OerHeks> there is a repeat in #ubuntu ..
[19:43] <OerHeks> utoxication
[20:01] <tgm4883> nacc: pretty sure I found his issue
[20:01] <nacc> tgm4883: ack, is it just me or are those .bashrc modifications fubar?
[20:01] <tgm4883> yea they are all wrong I think
[20:01] <tgm4883> I'm verifying now
[20:03] <tgm4883> hmm, maybe not
[20:06] <tgm4883> there it is
[20:06] <tgm4883> nice find nacc
[20:11] <tgm4883> nacc: it's definitely that PATH=y
[20:11] <nacc> yep
[20:15] <nacc> tgm4883: it's like pulling teeth!
[20:15] <tgm4883> yep
[20:15] <tgm4883> ones where people can't copy&paste are especially difficult
[20:15] <tgm4883> I should go get lunch
[20:16]  * nacc too! it's afternoon already
[20:17] <tgm4883> Some days I wish you could curse in #ubuntu
[21:09] <runrickus> Bashing-om hello
[21:10] <Bashing-om> hey ole friend .. " ubuntuforums.org refused to connect." :(
[21:11] <runrickus> Yeppers! You knew what i was going to ask...lol
[21:12] <Bashing-om> runrickus: I had that idea .. #ubuntu-forums : < bapoumba> IS took it down again .
[21:13] <runrickus> Boy that was fast...I was just reading that when it went down
[21:16] <Bashing-om> runrickus: Whatever happened to a warning that we were going down ?
[21:17] <runrickus> I will Pm you on that...good reason though
[21:17] <Bashing-om> Hokay .. will look forward to the advisement.
[22:16] <tgm4883> nacc: maybe we should change our nicks. Add a -dds on the end
[22:24] <nacc> tgm4883: heh
[22:32] <tgm4883> nacc: has it always been this bad?
[22:32] <nacc> tgm4883: it seems especially bad today
[22:32] <tgm4883> ok, thought it was just me
[22:33] <nacc> and there are more ... helpful? ... people who are chiming in with potentially bad advice than normal
[22:33] <tgm4883> yea I noticed that too
[23:23] <tgm4883> nacc: I think I see the confusion earlier. linux-image isn't a metapackage
[23:24] <nacc> ah
[23:25] <tgm4883> so he should just need to remove linux-image (and the other kernels he doesn't want)
[23:25] <tgm4883> then be fine
[23:25] <tgm4883> provided he has the one that he wants installed
[23:25] <nacc> tgm4883: i was wondering about that
[23:25] <tgm4883> yea virtual packages are weird
[23:25] <tgm4883> I guess they don't really have a version number associated with them
[23:26] <nacc> rmadison says linux-image only existed in precise :)
[23:26] <nacc> linux-image-generic should be pinnable, though
[23:27] <tgm4883> nacc: perhaps
[23:27] <tgm4883> nacc: although
[23:27] <tgm4883> he's probably on trusty?
[23:28] <nacc> yeah, that's what i read based upon the kernel version
[23:28] <tgm4883> yea linux-image is in trusty too
[23:29] <nacc> i wonder why rmadison doesn't see it, maybe it went from real to virtual at that point