[00:00] Cinnamon is a great environment I must say, it is a little less powerful, but must better contained; everything just works and is easy to do, and they have spent a lot of time on making everything perfect. === paolo_ is now known as faLUCE [00:00] guess ill just stick to lxde :) if i cannot figure out a way to fix this soon [00:00] I wonder if I must reinstall myself to get a clean system again. [00:01] why do you think so ? [00:01] Is it safe to assume you've checked if you have the correct graphics drivers installed? [00:03] no it is not safe to assume that [00:03] cause i did not install any [00:04] A logical thing to do would be to check if you require drivers for the graphics card, possibly a driver for the CPU/Motherboard - and as well, before deciding that a system is "hosed" and requires "re-installation" - create a new user (or two) and see if you have issues with the users you create...hmm... [00:05] I have more reasons to think my system is not okay, but reproducing the issues I have in KDE might take equally as long as reinstalling it. [00:06] Fair enough. I was just following logical flow. [00:06] i wonder [00:06] whoh are you talking to YankDownUnder [00:06] and I'm not suggesting reinstallation to Thyriaen, but installing Cinnamon is equally as easy as anything else. [00:07] Cinnamon is quite nicely done. Has come quite a long way in a very short time. [00:07] Thyriaen: he is speaking [00:07] of your graphics lag. [00:08] so i have to get the propritary drivers from amd and such then ? [00:09] im Thyyriaen btw [00:09] had my 24h dc [00:10] Thyri: Only you can tell. You can to into "System Settings" -> "Driver Manager" => you can check there...as well, you can do it from a terminal by typing "sudo ubuntu-drivers list" [00:13] Thyri: you have to reconnect to your internet every 24h? [00:14] I don't feel like having to recreate partitions and all of that. [00:14] I don't have to but I feel like wiping the space first. [00:15] the fresher something is, the better it usually feels. [00:16] will do in a bit [00:25] yes [00:25] my internet gets dced every 24h [00:38] so what are you all up to? [00:40] jonathan_x: Creating a set of OSX VM's to run under Qemu wtih Virt-Manager. Sound fun? [00:41] Not sure, documentation on Qemu seems to be of the anarchy-without-purpose kind. [00:42] jonathan_x: Yes...this is true...it requires digging...and asking...and then more digging...with experimentation...(having heaps of VirtualBox experience helps, too) [00:43] YankDownUnder: it's like they're telling you how to replace the BIOS eeprom on your motherboard but they're not telling you how to open the case. [00:44] They're not telling you to open the case in order to get to the eeprom in the first place ;-). [00:46] jonathan_x: From it's inception, it's been like that...but still, it's fun, it's useful, it's TRICKY...like doing a complex cross-word puzzle on a Monday morning without coffee or a smoke. [00:47] YankDownUnder: Sometimes people solve puzzles for fun. A game designer makes something challenging on purpose. [00:47] A game is meant not to be easy. Sometimes it seems like people try to make stuff hard on purpose here too. === goddard_ is now known as goddard [00:51] jonathan_x: That is the strategy for games/gaming. I put things together for "long term" - solid solutions that I do not have to maintain or bother with. I create situations for clients that can be "left unattended" for long periods of time with minimal hardware requirements. So for me, the "game" is to get a single machine to do far much more than what a single machine is supposed to do...does that make sense? [00:52] Well you have to because not doing it long term is not possible in Linux. [00:52] Anything you want, you must really develop yourself, and that is a long-term proposal. [00:53] Then, when finally everything is just right, it doesn't take any more effort or attention, and that is really the goal. [00:53] It's because it is too hard to get it right without doing all of that. [00:55] jonathan_x: Strewth that. I have some machines that are still "doing their job" from March of 2000 when I came here. That is a great feeling. Therefore, the paradigm by which I conduct business and create solutions is based on that ideology. [00:57] The difficulty however is maintaining such stability across changing conditions. What if you only have 10 days to set up a system and get things going? What if you don't have reliable backup locations? [00:57] You start to think about contingency plans because development is all about not losing your work. [01:04] jonathan_x: I have "systems in mothballs" to use as base "setups"...so 10 days is a huge amount of time to work within. Does that make sense? [01:05] are they installer images or complete HDD images or custom setup scripts setting up some system? [01:06] I find that block-level clones of anything are quite unattractive to use as sources of systems. [01:07] And regenerating stuff coupled with file level operations are much more convenient. [01:11] Images stored as ISO's, DMG's, on USB's, CD's, DVD's...and a few HDD's laying about...it's like a library of stuff...some going back to 1991...even a few "images" of things from earlier, but stored "in the cloud" as it were. [01:14] So only OS X images or combined Linux/OS X? [01:16] how can i switch between desktops ? [01:16] some wiered stuff is happening here [01:16] jonathan_x: No...OSX, Windows(insert version here), Novell, Linux, BeOS, OS2... [01:16] the menu bar keeps disappearing [01:16] but the mouseover still works sometimes [01:18] and i cannot open anything [01:18] So you store filesystems in ISO format? Is that possible for complete Linux filesystems as well? Or are they really copies of partitions at block level? I don think that is possible..... [01:21] ecryptfs is such a horrid system.... [01:21] jonathan_x: ISO images...and then as well, for some things I have to actually have an images of a block device, so I "dd" an image of a partition of partitions for a special purpose (like Novell or OS/2 for instance) - it's like being a "Librarian" as it were...guess it comes from back in the good old days of running BBS's and beiung a centralised "archive". Fun. Great way to spend one's time, really...keeps me off the streets, eh. === oem is now known as oem__ === oem__ is now known as oem === oem is now known as oem_ [01:26] anyone using ds4drv? === xd is now known as Guest81791 [01:26] having issues in 16.04 [01:38] seriously I am using a short script to manually mount ecryptfs homedirectories from outside the system. It calls ecrypt-fs-add-passphrase but when I do it from the script, it as the wrong output, as opposed to issuing the exact same command manually. Mind = boggled. [01:53] solved... didn't realize some tool outputted user interactive text on stdout and I had to remove that from the actual output. === pavlushka is now known as Guest80024 === pavlushka_ is now known as Guest65138 === Guest65138 is now known as pavlushka [02:45] evening. is anyone using touchscreen with kubuntu? [03:36] Does anyone watch tv on linux, if so what kind of tuner do you use? === fewcha_ is now known as fewcha === stephen is now known as Guest33301 === Guest33301 is now known as stephen_ === stephen_ is now known as stephen_b === stephen_b is now known as stephen_ab [06:07] Can anyone answer any of the problems with plasma 5.6.5 [06:07] http://askubuntu.com/questions/798651/kubuntu-acting-weird-after-upgrading-to-plasma-5-6-5 [06:09] stephen_ab: When this happened to me, what I did was to create a new user, test everything under that new user, then I deleted the KDE/Plasma caches and basic configurations (from the ~/.config and ~./local/share) - then logged in again as my normal user, recreated what I required, and it's been stable since. [06:09] let me try that [06:10] stephen_ab: Coolbeans. [06:10] so you did an apt-get clean? [06:12] stephen_ab: No...what I did was manually go into my /home/myusername and via the terminal, deleted the "cruft" in the ~./cache and then deleted basic configurations for KDE and Plasma from the ~/.config and ~/.local/share => specifically stuff that was Plasma related and desktop related - nothing to do with apps or such... [06:17] there are a lot of things what should i delete [06:18] stephen_ab: In my ~./config => I deleted everything that pertained to "Plasma" - which obviously will get recreated when you log in to that account. Ditto with all the plasma related cruft in ~/.local/share [06:20] that seems working [06:23] stephen_ab: If any thanks are to be passed, it would be to some of the folks in the #plasma channel for giving me the tips a few weeks back... -> or better yet, pass along the information to someone else that is going to have this issue - or IS having this issue...saves heaps of time - and in some instances, saves someone from mistakenly re-installing the OS completely...hmm... [06:29] my wifi tray icon doesn't change. it's since I reinstalled. https://media-cdn.ubuntu-de.org/forum/attachments/14/28/8378818-snapshot1.png [06:30] it just keeps the default one which is ugly and doesn't fit there. [06:30] kali_yuga: Does it stay the same if you change to a different theme - and then change back again? Just asking. [06:31] Yes it just stays default. doesn't matter which theme [06:32] and I had a nice looking wifi icon before. but it just ignores it [06:32] kali_yuga: And if you remove that "widget" from the taskbar and then re-add it, it's the same, hmm? [06:32] yup did that too [06:32] I even removed the entire panel [06:33] made a new one, nothing [06:33] and I use kde something like this bothers me ^^ [06:33] kali_yuga: Strange that. Ditto - it bothered me, too - when it was happening to me, that is... [06:34] you had this problem too? im using kde 4.13 [06:35] kali_yuga: I'm using KDE Plasma 5.6.5 [06:36] did you have the problem with kde 5? [06:37] any idea how to get rid of that bug? [06:37] kali_yuga: Yes...but I resolved them by upgrading using the "backports" PPA's as recommended by the devs in #kde and #plasma - and also had to manually "blow out" some "crap" - and since, well, it works. I'm stable and happy. But that's ME... [06:39] isn't their a way to reset all this panel stuff [06:41] I dont recall for kde 4.x... but there is probably a panelrc or if it is in kderc in your ~/ [06:41] before i reinstalled my kde was perfect but nooo i was stupid enough to do upgrading... I reinstalled huge problems with the wrong kernel. and I downgraded again. now my system is like before just not as stable*? with more bugs somehow. [06:41] kali_yuga: There are a few different ways; the means by which I've done this was to create a new user, then login to the new account, and manually delete what I wanted through the terminal in my "old" account. Once that was done, just by logging into the "old" account, everything that was required was recreated - and I also had to "re-customise" my desktop... [06:42] You could also log in as your own user from tty1, no extra user needed :) [06:43] kali_yuga: If there are configuration files/prefs files floating around, obviously that's going to cause a conundrum with a system...specifically - with the "user account". [06:43] hateball: This is very true, that being said, i wanted to check out the stability of the "DE" with a new user to make sure it wasn't something else...does that make sense? [06:43] ok slow i need to grasp this first [06:43] YankDownUnder: Yep, perfectly [06:44] ok ok hold on [06:44] Just saying, I'd have just moved stuff away on my regular user at once because LETS DO IT LIVE ;p [06:45] how do I do this slowly. which files do I have to remove? [06:45] what if I remove the .kde folder? a.e would that be recreated? [06:45] kali_yuga: You'd be looking in the ~/.config and ~/.local/share [06:46] actually for 4.x it is mostly in ~/.kde [06:46] with plasma 5 it is in ~/.local/share [06:47] so I make a new user or I go tty and remove .kde in /home? [06:48] kali_yuga: dont rm, mv it to some _backup [06:48] since there may be things you will want to have back [06:48] I'd not remove the ~/.kde => it's actually specific for some of your KDE applications - not the desktop, not the "widgets" and Plasma. [06:50] I know where the default wifi icon is located at. I tried to replace it with the one I want. but it was still the default one [06:51] under /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/default/icons [06:51] kali_yuga: Sometimes the "icon" is built into the "code" of a particular program or widget, and therefore creates the "image" on it's own - regardless of user-intervention. [06:51] network.svgz [06:52] damn it stupid icon xD [06:54] I still don't know what to do. [06:54] kali_yuga: All is not lost - if you continue to ask and dig, you will find the answer. Such is the paradigm of patience. [06:56] plasma also has it's own icon cache, so sometimes icons and other elements don't change until that is cleared [06:58] kali_yuga: try running "kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental" [06:58] YankDownUnder: you said you deleted what you wanted after creating new user. how did you know what to delete. I know where the theme icons are all located. /home/user/.kde/share/apps/desktoptheme [06:58] not sure on kde4 now, but maybe in /var/tmp/kdecache-yourusername/ [06:59] kbuildsycoca4 running... [06:59] want the output? [06:59] kali_yuga: I deleted what was related to plasma, the plasma workspace, the plasma configurations - as well, the "caches" of crap... [06:59] kali_yuga: sure, you can pastebin it [07:00] kali_yuga: try reloading your session after running it, see if it fixes things [07:00] pasted a litlle weird [07:00] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/19467953/ [07:01] reloading. you mean killing the plasma-desktop and re-open i did this but didn't help. [07:02] yea [07:02] hmmm [07:02] yeah like evrything invalid. idk what it means though [07:06] i just delete .kde now if it should be recreated. i don't have that much anyway. should be still all default besides a few themes i tried. or will that ruin stuff? [07:06] Hello. I have a fresh install of Kubuntu 16.04 and there's a strange problem with LibreOffice (possibly other apps as well, not sure yet). I am German, but my system is set to English (as the System-language). Now when I try to save a document with a German Umlaut in its title, the German Umlaut is replaced with a "?" when I look at it in Dolphin. Also, it seems I can't save the already opened document [07:06] anymore from LibreOffice. When I replace the German Umlaut with internation letters everything works fine. The question is, how can I make LibreOffice and/or dolphin show the correct characters again... [07:08] rm ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc ? [07:08] kali_yuga: why rm when you can mv [07:08] https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=13712 [07:09] Mrokii: it's a default install you say? [07:09] I was thinking if you used some strange font, but I dont know what manner of font wouldnt have umlauts [07:09] hateball: Yes, freshly installed from the CD I burned (an official download of Kubuntu 16.04). [07:09] hateball: mv to rename or to move? [07:09] kali_yuga: to rename, in case you need stuff in the file :) [07:10] hateball: I've never had a problem like this with Ubuntu (which I had used before). [07:10] sounds weird [07:11] I mean I use swedish-swedish layout, but there's no problem displaying for instance files in arabic in Dolphin [07:12] Mrokii: komisch. [07:13] so I rename with a new user. or just rename log in and out or restart or something. but thanks for the help so far [07:13] Also, when I doubleclick on a LibreOffice-file with a German Umlaut in it, I get an error-message saying that it can't open the file (the German Umlaut being replaced with "??". [07:15] like this kinda? Brief f�r Foobar.doc [07:15] yep. [07:15] Mrokii: can you create a file in a terminal and it looks ok? [07:15] like touch ~/åäöü.txt or something [07:17] hateball: I've tried that for the first time and it seems the German Umlauts aren't even available in the terminal (Konsole). Though I *can* create a file with German Umlauts in Dolphin. [07:18] something wonky with your keyboard layout it sounds like [07:18] Mrokii: if you run "setxkbmap de" and then type, does that change anything? [07:18] The layout is "German dead acute". I'm not quite sure if that's the correct setting though. [07:19] hateball: No change in the terminal. === jayhunold is now known as jhunold [07:22] Mrokii: what does "locale" look like? [07:23] hateball: http://pastebin.com/Ezqau3zy [07:25] yeah you're not supposed to get any errors [07:25] tho I know too little about dealing with such mixed locales to say [07:26] Mrokii: if you try "export LC_CTYPE=de_DE.UTF-8", any change? [07:28] hateball: Yes, the first error message regarding LC-CTYPE disappeared when using "locale". But still no luck in typing German Umlauts in the terminal. [07:31] bleh [07:31] Mrokii: I am guessing you'll have more luck in a german-speaking channel [07:31] Hm, okay, I'll try. [07:32] Mrokii: do you have deutsch language-packs installed? what happens if you switch everything over to german using the GUI config? [07:33] well I screwed everything up. i mv the .kde folder to .kde2. and I only got an empty screen now. i'm in tty now great [07:34] I renamed the old kde2 back and I still get an empty screen [07:34] kali_yuga: you didnt use sudo or something did you? so permissions are screwed up [07:34] hateball: I'll need to try that. One moment... [07:35] no i didn't use sudo. how do i get .kde back now? [07:36] any idea. what did I do wrong I just renamed it and boom [07:36] hateball: I'll have to log out as it seems for the language change to take effect. brb. [07:38] how can I get back to the login screen from tty? I still have untiy. from there I can remove kde and reinstall the Desktop enviroment [07:38] help [07:41] hateball: No change as it seems. The system-language is set to German now, but still no luck in Konsole. The German umlauts show up as "??" when typed in the terminal. [07:43] ah I got It puuhh [07:44] i mean i'm back in unity now at least [07:45] now I could just give it a try and reinstall the DE. maybe other bugs I have encountered will go away [08:07] Mrokii: does it still look mixed/error when you run "locale" too? [08:13] well i got my kde back. i removed the .kde folder in unity and it got recreated. bug is still there, was all for nothing [08:15] hateball: No, everything is set to "de_DE" or "de_DE.UTF-8". But the errors are back, as they were before. [08:27] Hello!I can not connect to the Internet. I use wired connecton with rj45 that requres username and password. When i tuned DSL, i can not press OK button. [08:32] viewer|73548: so it is ADSL? [08:33] Yes. It is ADSL [08:33] And Okay button don't work [08:35] maybe kubuntu have pppoeconf analog? [08:36] hmmm [08:37] viewer|73548: what happens when you press OK? Nothing? [08:37] or is it greyed out? [08:37] Okay button is gray [08:37] I have no trouble adding a new connection with garbled info [08:37] I just filled out crap in the three main fields [08:38] even just username/pw works [08:38] viewer|73548: is this Kubuntu 16.04 ? [08:38] Yes [08:39] hmm [08:39] In previous versions it works [08:41] I filled 2 fileds: username and password [08:42] Maybe it need something else? [08:42] doesnt need anything else when I try tho [08:42] Well the connection name cant be empty [08:43] even that lets me press ok, but it errors out [08:43] I know. But sometimes okay button is work. But then i got error [08:44] viewer|73548: can you try using nmtui in a Konsole? [08:44] It is a pppoeconf analog? [08:45] I am not familiar with pppoeconf [08:45] nmtui is just ncurses gui for network-manager [08:45] I am thinking if the applet is bugged for whatever reason [08:45] Ok i'll try. Thank you. [08:46] Iam just in win now. [08:49] oh [08:49] too bad they left [08:49] I see I have the same issue on this regular 16.04 machine, but it works as expected when using backports === kubuntu is now known as Guest77018 [09:27] Hello. :) [09:28] I am using Kubuntu 16.04 and the "Switch User" option is missing from all the different menu types and dashboard. Is there any idea as to how that happened, and how to rectify it? [09:30] To give some perspective: The end result should be that I can open a second desktop environment, preferably as the same user, on a different VT using SDDM (or any other display manager), with a different configuration and settings. [09:31] The overall issue lies with using properietary nvidia drivers with a GTX 780 Ti and the usage of a capture card to produce screencasts and livestreams, and the vsync issues with kwin and the requirement to use environment variables to have kwin vsync properly with proprietary nvidia drivers. [09:32] One way to get around this would be to restart kwin with a new option. However, that would add window decorations to windows which had them removed by configuration or by hand, as kwin doesn't seem to remember or properly re-apply window decoration settings upon restart. [09:42] hmmm, suppose I dont have switch user stuff either [09:42] and I am using backports even === fewcha_ is now known as fewcha [09:48] I only have the option to start a new session, which simply replaces the existing one. The rest is just the usual stuff like logout, reboot, shutdown, power management, etc. [09:49] I just found this: "qdbus org.kde.krunner /App switchUser" <- However, that opens the same "dialog" as the New Session button would. [09:54] I've also been pondering to slash open the security framework of X by allowing anyone to start an X server and changing permissions on VT8 for the normal user to use it. I am just reluctant to do so. [09:55] I'm now going to try gdm. It has a thing called "flexiserver" or whatever. I'll be looking at that and see how it works out. [09:57] aaaand... go. === josh is now known as ibrokemywindows [10:09] o_O [10:09] O_o [10:09] yoyoyo [10:40] Hello. I have a problem with German Umlauts in Konsole. They're printed as "??". But I did find out that they're printed just fine in a TTY. Any thoughts what could be the problem? [12:34] how do i disable/remove ibus? [12:36] hmm === juboxi is now known as jubo2 [12:37] you tried this: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2218568? [12:38] Go to Preferences > Language Support and change Keyboard input method system from ibus to none. Then log out and log in again. [12:38] daum_: I did that on Kubuntu 15.10 some months ago and it worked [12:39] jimarvan, where are the preferences [12:39] i've seen those, but can't seem to ever find them ha [12:40] i am running kubuntu atm [12:40] jimarvan, i don't see that in the system settings? [12:40] and i cannot find the resolution of my monitor under display configuration [12:40] I am running 1920x1200 but it doesnt show int he dropdown menu [12:42] howdy folks [13:02] BluesKaj: hey :) [13:03] damn he logged off [13:08] hi jimarvan === aleksandr is now known as prowner === prowner is now known as arceon === Haudegen is now known as Guest25210 === juboxi is now known as jubo2 === Guest25210 is now known as Haudegen === Haudegen is now known as Guest11366 [13:55] Hello [13:56] When I try to add an entry in the "newspaper" (journal) in Kontact, I can not select the agenda and I have a error : http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=723234caps4.png [13:58] what can I do, please? === marahin is now known as fr33bot === fr33bot is now known as marahin === marahin is now known as fr33bot === fr33bot is now known as kasia === kasia is now known as fr33bot === stephen is now known as stephen_b [14:29] is it possible to add separators in places in dolphin? === Guest11366 is now known as Haudegen === fr33bot is now known as marahin === turgay_ is now known as turgay === m00_X is now known as f0t === fewcha_ is now known as fewcha [20:05] Hello [20:05] When publish kde 5.7 for kubuntu 16.04 ? 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