[01:20] Good morning === thumper is now known as thumper-afk === JanC is now known as Guest89629 === JanC_ is now known as JanC [05:06] Hi [05:06] happy Friday [05:06] HI HI [06:08] Good morning [06:25] hiya, p [06:39] good morning desktopers [06:39] bonjour seb128 ! [06:39] salut pitti, ça va ? [06:40] seb128: ça va, et toi ? [06:40] ça va bien ! [06:56] hi hi, s [06:59] hey qengho [08:02] hey! [08:02] 'sup. [08:05] morning workers [08:06] I'm ready to leave the country now. [08:07] Which one is that? [08:09] The UK [08:09] It's rubbish now [08:09] and I hate everyone living in it [08:09] with the exception of Laney [08:09] i'm becoming irish [08:10] willcooke: hahahahahahahahahaha [08:10] good morning Laney & willcooke [08:10] (and davmor2) [08:10] morning seb128 [08:10] Johnson as foreign secretary [08:10] I know it's friday but wth [08:11] well at least according to http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/15/europe/boris-johnson-countries-insults-trnd/ he didn't insult France (yet) [08:11] and they've closed the dept. responsible for advising on climate change and lumped it in with the energy dept. [08:11] No conflict of interest there then [08:11] :( [08:11] willcooke: have you considered having a referendum in your household? [08:11] seb128: it gets worse than that, we have a pro fox hunting anti-green guy in charge of power and environment [08:12] THAT ^^^ [08:12] urg [08:12] hi seb128 [08:12] qengho, I should become a republic :) [08:12] it's friday though [08:12] so like [08:12] do you have bananas? ;-) [08:12] not all bad [08:12] innit [08:12] * willcooke gets to work designed the flag [08:12] designing [08:13] willcooke: never mind we can vote for labour in the next general election and watch them self destruct again when they realise the 60,000 people that corbyn brought in are still labour members \o/ [08:13] they're working hard on stopping that [08:13] :) [08:13] yeah, shady af [08:17] I'm going to join the beige party. https://twitter.com/ProfBrianCox/status/752919063790313472 [08:17] seb128, bananas ? thats a wonderful business idea, lets hire a boat and start smuggling them, in a year from now they will be worth their weight in gold in the uk !! [08:17] :-) [08:18] only if they are sufficiently bendy [08:18] don't want you dirty europeans dictating the curvature of my bananas, we voted to get rid of that kind of nonsense [08:19] * sarnold imports his straight bananas [08:19] to late ... you will be happy if get straight green ones at the double price ... [08:20] oh yeah a fine straight banana is worth two, three times as much as those broken curved bananas [08:20] (straight brown spotty ones i should have said ) [08:20] only non EC 2257/94 compliant bananas are to be allowed from now on [08:20] ogra: I think that's a sausage. [08:20] lol [08:20] lol [08:20] shhh [08:20] signed, T May MMXVI [08:20] (trying to get our german goods out opf old stock) [08:21] Laney, exit using european numbers [08:21] you freak [08:22] thov confvsest thine self [08:22] I have no idea what political statement it is, using roman numerals instead of indian numerals. [08:23] What have the Romans ever done for *us*? [08:23] well, uk wants to be back in the empire ... probably it doesnt matter *which* ? [08:24] * qengho worries when no one hits the easy pitches. [08:24] (sorry ... half of uk ... ) [08:24] the world is all sort of the wtf recently :-/ [08:25] yeah [08:25] Laney, but yeah, at least it's friday ;-) [08:25] THANK GOD ! [08:25] soon we'll be ready to launch the secret Canonical space programme [08:25] * Laney checks we're on irc.canonical.com [08:25] CRAP [08:25] uhoh now look what you've done [08:25] * sabdfl hat die Verbindung getrennt (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) [08:26] * ogra grins [08:26] We have been discovered! Flee! [08:26] the first african on mars [08:26] must have tiny feet, these bars are slim [08:26] ogra: that's so much cooler sounding than "has quit" [08:26] oh [08:26] everyone in cape town has heard about ubuntu by the way [08:27] I was asking random people in shops and taxi drivers [08:27] fame sells [08:27] there used to be a TV show that mark hosted ... about OSS SW [08:27] O_O [08:30] http://www.zdnet.com/article/south-african-tv-show-evangelises-open-source/ [08:30] wow, that was actually hard to find [08:30] he moderated a few episodes [08:45] morning [08:45] MARCOOOOOOOOOOOO [08:46] hey Trevinho, how are you? [08:46] hey seb128... [08:46] and Laney [08:46] well... Quite shocked by the Nizza events :| [08:47] :/ [08:47] s/Nizza/Nice/ [08:48] yeah, bad news [08:48] I only saw that this morning, didn't watch news yesterday before going to bed [08:48] I did, first videos where really hard to see. [08:50] morning [08:50] :/ [08:52] hey andyrock, how are you? [08:52] seb128: having breakfast right now you? [08:53] I'm good thanks [08:53] it's friday! [08:53] willcooke, seb128: do either of you have unity8 and unity7 on 16.04? all of a sudden 2 finger tap isn't right clicking any more on trackpad, I don't know if it is the interaction of the two unitys or a change in the system but it is annoying :( [08:54] mhmhm.... [08:54] davmor2, testng [08:54] davmor2, yeah, libinput has deliberatly hacked out tap-to-click [08:54] the ione reason that keeps me from switching to unity8 here [08:54] (and i was lazy, havent filed a bug yet) [08:54] lies [08:54] libinput has tap to click [08:55] davmor2, I don't, but maybe you installed xserver-xorg-input-libinput? [08:55] https://cgit.freedesktop.org/wayland/libinput/commit/?id=2219c12c3aa45b80f235e761e87c17fb9ec70eae [08:55] it has never been re-enabled [08:55] afaik [08:56] (but makes unity8 on laptops rather unusable) [08:56] that says it is configurable [08:56] (for me at least) [08:56] yes, but we dont confuigure it [08:56] and our UI bit tries to talk to synclient i think [08:56] seb128: ah yes possibly that got pulled in via overlay for unity8 let me see [08:57] willcooke: https://launchpad.net/~azzar1/+archive/ubuntu/unity-copy-dialog?field.series_filter=xenial [08:57] that's not libinput's fault [08:57] in case you want to test the copy dialog fix on xenial [08:57] Laney, any suggestion what to file the bug against then ? [08:57] Mir ? [08:58] I don't know if it would be mir or unity8 [08:58] but either of those could make the API call to enable it [08:58] https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/libinput/tapping/ [08:59] whichever of those already handles libinput [08:59] looks like mir does [08:59] libinput_device_config_tap_set_enabled( [08:59] dev, settings.tap_to_click ? LIBINPUT_CONFIG_TAP_ENABLED : LIBINPUT_CONFIG_TAP_DISABLED); [08:59] andyrock, thanks! [09:00] that's from mir [09:00] so it has this already [09:00] i see that word has gotten out about Ubuntu Space [09:00] Linus for Aliens [09:00] *Linux [09:00] i'm glad we don't have to keep quiet about that anymore [09:00] hey desrt [09:00] The Softpedia article is being written as we speak [09:00] hmm. Linux for Martians is maybe a snappier slogan [09:01] Mark is buddies with Elon Musk, right? [09:01] Bug #1603358 [09:01] bug 1603358 in mir (Ubuntu) "no tap to click in unity8" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603358 [09:01] davmor2, ^^^ [09:01] seb128: hi :) [09:01] please confirm [09:03] but yeah in any case our GUI tools are not libinput friendly [09:04] well, we should just ship libhybris on desktops too :P [09:04] (and hook it up to the right spots) [09:06] what would an android container give us on desktop? [09:08] working tap to click :P [09:08] you seem confused [09:08] (i didnt say android container ... only libhybris :) ) [09:09] that's a mir thing, not an android one [09:10] not confused ... just making bad jokes ... [09:10] yeap libinput is installed [09:10] try to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/30-touchpad.conf [09:10] Section "InputClass" [09:10] Identifier "MyTouchpad" [09:10] MatchIsTouchpad "on" [09:10] Driver "libinput" [09:10] Option "Tapping" "on" [09:10] EndSection [09:11] * ogra tried that before and didnt get it working [09:11] i actually spent a weekend on this (which is why i had the git commit above readily around) [09:12] it's working under unity7 [09:12] yes [09:12] I'm using libinput [09:12] so sounds like a mir bug [09:12] else i wouldnt use my laptop :) [09:12] actually I forgot that I was [09:12] Laney, right, but you are not using u8 [09:12] it just works(!) [09:12] ... [09:12] nor mir [09:12] yes [09:12] I'm following [09:12] ? [09:12] ? [09:12] yes you are using u8? [09:13] * seb128 is confused [09:13] Me too [09:13] yay [09:13] I'm saying that it looks like a mir bug [09:13] Fine [09:13] but you say it's working for you? [09:13] or it's working for you under u7? [09:13] I'm not using unity 8 [09:14] k [09:14] I got interrupted before I could finish [09:14] under u7 /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/30-touchpad.conf would actually kick in [09:14] sorry [09:14] k, so the libinput side is fine [09:14] please talk to the #ubuntu-mir crew ;-) [09:14] mir has some configuration for this already [09:14] you have to find out how to poke that [09:16] well, feel free to add to bug #1603358 [09:16] bug 1603358 in mir (Ubuntu) "no tap to click in unity8" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603358 [09:22] if I'm playing music when I lxc-start a container [09:22] the music gets louder [09:22] me and juLIO DOWN BY THE SCHOOLYARD [09:22] lol [09:23] lxc must be doing some weird stuff [09:24] I guess [09:24] probably stgraber just likes loud music ? [09:24] does it go back when you lxc-stop? [09:24] small man small ears [09:25] * Laney tries [09:25] nop [09:25] let's see if it goes up again! [09:25] nein [09:25] makes sense to raise it though [09:25] the container walls are soundproof [09:25] for the people next door ? [09:26] no, for the people inside the box :p [09:26] ah ! [09:26] indeed [09:26] it's to drown out the people trapped in there [10:02] hikiko: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1602901 [10:02] Launchpad bug 1602901 in unity (Ubuntu) "[Regression] Panel/Dash background corruption with multimon" [High,Confirmed] [10:02] have you seen this? [10:03] looks like related to rev 4145 [10:05] oh, I see that [10:05] andyrock, looking at it now [10:05] damn [10:06] is that in the sru? [10:06] yeah -_- [10:06] aaahhhh [10:06] great :/ I don't have either nvidia or triple monitor [10:07] i'm on nouveau [10:07] you can always revert it and fix later [10:07] yeah [10:08] we can revert.... [10:08] but again, new SRU routine? [10:08] Laney: do you want me to fire a new build? [10:09] decide if you can fix it fast or revert, then build whichever one of those [10:09] this is the fun of risky SRUs [10:09] fixing doesn't seem easy right now, so I'd just revert it. It's not a big change. [10:10] ok, gogogo [10:10] Trevinho, [10:10] yeah [10:10] ok [10:10] I was about to say that revert is easier because we can [10:10] cant even reproduce it [10:11] I can, so I can try fixes [10:13] ok, Laney that's in nouveau too? [10:13] anyway new build is going [10:14] ya [10:14] nouveau + dual monitors [10:16] assuming http://people.canonical.com/~laney/weird-things/bug.png that this is the same thing [10:16] hikiko: see if you can find a fix for yakkety in the mean time. If you can't, then prepare a revert branch please. [10:16] I probably should have put a window behind that [10:16] but you get it [10:16] Laney: yeah. [10:17] ok I am pushing the revert in a while and then I see if I can find an nvidia to fix for yaketty [10:17] yakkety* [10:17] it's definitely nvidia only? [10:18] * Laney finds the mini dp adapter thing to check [10:18] Laney, ye [10:18] Laney, yes [10:18] I have dual monitor here (intel) [10:18] and I didn't have any problems [10:19] * Sweet5hark1 has now seen his second day of Pokemon Go and its amazing how it changes reality. I mean not like Ingress, which added some playful details visible to a subculture. This stuff really changes reality. [10:19] something doesn't refresh [10:19] (at least sounds like that) [10:19] Sweet5hark1: Changes how? [10:20] Sweet5hark1: And are you green or blue? It's important. [10:21] In the park in my neighborhood there is a little pond, and usually in you can see 2-3 people walk around there in the evening. Yesterday some folks lit up the Pokestops at that pond and I took a walk there -- like some 200 other gals and dudes standing around the pond with their phones in the hand. [10:21] qengho: There is no green in pokemon ;) [10:21] hikiko: ok, yeah, it doesn't happen on my intel machine [10:21] hikiko: it might be related to the fact that bgeffecthelper does some caching though [10:22] hikiko: did you test that also when forcing llvmpipe? [10:22] BTW hotplugging the 1× monitor into the 2× laptop is slightly buggy [10:22] Sweet5hark1, nobody drowned yet ? [10:22] the 1× output has no window controls and the mouse cursor is drawn as 2× there [10:22] hikiko: maybe having bgeffecthelper to be per-monitor works better... [10:22] but... bohhhh [10:22] it did correctly rescale the 2× one to 1× though [10:23] Trevinho, I will look at it give me 1 minute to push the revert [10:23] Sweet5hark1: Oh, it changes reality in that players of the game are visible to muggles? [10:23] ogra: https://twitter.com/Sweet5hark/status/753885716757770240 [10:23] hikiko: ok, no much hurry for yakkety, since I' won't land this in a sec, but still... [10:23] LOL [10:23] qengho: yes, and they are not 1-2, they are quite some crowds really. [10:24] Sweet5hark1: Does it use the ingress data for these pokestops/gyms? [10:24] new darwin awards are coming! [10:24] too many to give, though [10:26] qengho: Also it changes attitude of the players. As every second person or group in the parc was playing pokemon, people arent afraid to talk to complete strangers about it as if the Pokemons are part of reality. Im usually _trying_ to guard my nerditude from complete strangers ... [10:28] Laney: I read it's the same point constellation. [10:28] qengho: Yesterday when I got home at 23:30 another guy walked down the otherwise empty street with his phone in his hand. FWIW he could have just been texting. He stopped at the same time as I did and turned to the right. That alone was enough for him to say to me: "There is an Enton over there, right?" [10:29] qengho: Imagine that happening to you when you are NOT a Pokemon player: Some random dude at night speaking to you about "Entons". [10:29] andyrock, Trevinho https://code.launchpad.net/~hikiko/unity/unity.tmp-fix-for-1602901/+merge/300174 [10:30] Some drug deals are going to go *weird*. [10:30] Laney: Dunno because I never played ingress. But from what I heard: yes. [10:31] and the question is where I can find an nvidia now.. or a way to reproduce the problem in intel [10:32] willcooke: mind to run the trello script against nm-applet when you have time? [10:33] happyaron, done [10:33] great [10:33] qengho: yes. Also you see a lot of beginners walking around with their eyes on their phones, looking up to not be run over by a truck or something, seeing other players and giving each other a knowing smile or a nod. Happens all the time. [10:35] Sweet5hark1: socializing. Gross. [10:35] thats like bikers greeting each other when passing by on the street [10:36] qengho: Indeed! [10:39] qengho: the more experienced players are a bit harder to identify when they are casually hunting. Less, when they are not casual: Then they are moving in a groups of two to five -- or with a mounted smartphone on a bike. [10:40] * ogra smells a revival of google glass ahead [10:40] ogra: yeah. possible. [10:41] Sweet5hark1: I heard the https commands don't verify certificates, so you could MITM and reverse engineer to make a scope for Ubutu Phone. [10:43] Laney: on gtk3 topci... I still get a white terminal, has that been fixed? [10:44] Laney: also menus are wrong [10:44] and gedit... [10:44] you don't have the theme then [10:44] apt-cache policy light-themes [10:46] it got overtaken by an archive upload but yesterday I bumped the version and uploaded it again to the ppa [10:46] qengho: likely. https://plus.google.com/+KristianK%C3%B6hntopp/posts/5Gnog8cgNoW <- says you could just mod inofficial ingress clients to work with poGo [10:46] Laney: ah yeah... there was the landing003 which was replaced.... with the theme -_- [10:46] Sweet5hark1: isotopp knows everything. [10:46] yeah, he does :) [10:48] Trevinho: ._. [10:48] Installato: 14.04+16.10.20160706.laney2-0ubuntu1 [10:48] better? [10:49] yeah [10:49] black bg :) [10:49] cool [10:49] so if you put Exec=/bin/sh -ec 'sleep 1; nautilus -n' in /etc/xdg/autostart/nautilus-autostart.desktop then it works [10:50] Laney: terminal scrollbar bg is wrong though [10:50] Laney: it has not to be gray, but lighter aubergine [10:50] one thing at a time [10:50] or transparent at all... [10:50] ah, ok, you've that in your list? [10:51] actually no, but I can probably fix that [10:52] Laney: I wanted to move nautilus to upstart since some time ago, so that it started in unity after it. That solved also another issue which seems to be present here too: the appmenus aren't exported to unity, because an option is not correclty set (gtk's shell shows appmenu or something like that) [10:54] aren't there signals for that changing? [10:55] Laney: there are, but we don't receive them [10:55] I did a change already [10:55] qengho, ogra: knowing everything is the priviledge and liability of being an old fart. [10:55] Laney: that was it https://code.launchpad.net/~3v1n0/nautilus/menubar-visibility-signals/+merge/292925 [10:56] I remember from the sprint [10:56] Sweet5hark1, well, we are about the same age ... but you never praise *my* knowledge ... cant be true :P [10:56] is it because we don't get connected to usd or something? [10:56] however... Mhmmh, this seems something related to nautilus... Not sure if would act differently when there's a compositor or not === hikiko is now known as hikiko|ln [11:01] seems to be... But maybe it's not related, since when I tried to run gtk320 in that VM there was no black scren [11:01] screen* [11:01] ogra: the "knowing everything" of old farts usually works by declaring the rest as nonexistant. So two old farts might have very different "everything"s, sometimes with very old farts those "everything"s dont even touch anymore. [11:02] do you think if isotopp and i were in the same room that neutralizes everything then ? [11:08] Laney: it's unrelated, but... I made the VM with virt-manager, I set the disk size as 8GB (but not allocating all at the start), and now df only says it's 4gb, although virt-manager still says the truth... any clue how can I enlarge it? [11:09] ADS: «enlarge your VM disk!» [11:10] did you make the partition smaller than the disk? [11:10] it doesn't seem so [11:10] I said to use the whole disk [11:10] or maybe it made swap [11:11] * Trevinho checks [11:11] check with cfdisk /dev/vda [11:12] nah, it says it's 4G [11:12] on the second line, above the table? [11:13] mh, ok... I see unallocated space... meh [11:13] :/ [11:25] Laney: a similar issue I always had with nautilus in a VM is that if I resize the VM and thus the screen, the new area stays black... untill I don't restart it. It seems the same issue to me. [11:25] * Sweet5hark1 reads the backlog. [11:25] again, still fixed if running nautilus after compiz [11:25] which... isn't that bad himo [11:25] imho [11:26] Laney, willcooke: There is also the option of joining https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand -- I heard IT services made a substancial part of their GDP one time ... [11:27] It is a desolate hole. Much like the rest of the UK atm [11:27] Trevinho: hmm, well something changed with 3.20 [11:27] Laney: yes indeed, but it's like just making the issue to appear better than it used to be [11:27] I suppose upstarting it is okay [11:30] willcooke: I read Sealand won the egg throwing world championship in 2008. A talent that might be put to good use in UK politics. [11:36] :D === hikiko|ln is now known as hikiko === dpm is now known as dpm-afk [12:46] Laney: https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1614 is ready for you to play publish.. [12:46] pitti: can you then approve it from the SRU queue? === dpm-afk is now known as dpm [13:13] Trevinho: I'm going to check it first [13:13] is there a yakkety version? [13:14] anyone know if there are plans to provide a configuration UI for Unity 8? For instance, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8-desktop-session/+bug/1603185 [13:14] Launchpad bug 1556795 in unity8 (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1603185 Mouse wheel scrolling keeps going inertially (past the location I want to scroll to)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [13:15] that would be a question for #ubuntu-unity [13:15] or #ubuntu-touch, kenvandine and jgdx work on u-s-s [13:16] Jonas is not here on on -unity it seems though [13:22] ahh the uss days [13:22] they were good ones [13:23] will they not come back to you eventually ? [13:23] once u8 is the default [13:24] like once u8 is default desktop team takes over all the upstream components and we fire the u8 team? ;-) [13:24] rocks to throw at upstream [13:24] nah, you do the pckaging and integration, they do the upstream work :) [13:25] right [13:25] so doesn't change the reply to the settings question [13:25] that's for design/the upstream team working on that [13:25] oh, right ... [13:26] * ogra humms "fry-day in my brain..." [13:59] Laney: not really matching 1:1. I've just backported some commits from the yakkety branch. [13:59] so here there are less changes [13:59] Trevinho: I mean is there a revert of this for yakkety? [13:59] Laney: yeah, not yet landed though [14:00] it's easier for me to test this [14:04] * Laney builds [14:45] Trevinho: DONE [14:45] go forth and find an sru team member [14:46] Laney: thanks [14:46] https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1684 [14:46] nooooooooooo silos [14:56] andyrock: [14:56] are you around? [14:56]