[03:56] <Guest48620> I hope this isn't a stupid question, but is there a master file that contains all of your applications?
[03:57] <Guest48620> I know for applications originating in the software boutique, you can install and uninstall from there
[03:57] <Guest48620> But what about other applications, is there a common area to view them all?
[04:00] <ouroumov> must be possible to list the contents of ppas and of the ubuntu archive
[04:01] <ouroumov> something like grep ^Package: /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Packages
[04:03] <ouroumov> The list is pretty massive
[04:04] <ouroumov> If you wanna check every executable program that is available on your system you can use: apropos "" | grep "(1)"
[04:36] <Guest48620> Thanks
[04:37] <Guest48620> Sorry it took me a while to respond, I'm learning terminal commands over on codecademy so I can learn how to use the system better
[04:44] <fifty-sevenC> bin, sbin, /usr/bin and /usr/sbin
[05:20] <mate|73963> Hello all. Switch to ubuntu mate from manjaro. Loving it so far 16.04. what would be your recommend for keeping updated? I want to stay one 16.04 for a while...should I use built in updater or c-line? I just don't want it updating w/o me knowing
[05:34] <YankDownUnder> mate|73963: Stick with what's built into the system. Less hassle, and it's already there.
 Hello all. Switch to ubuntu mate from manjaro. Loving it so far 16.04. what would be your recommend for keeping updated? I want to stay one 16.04 for a while...should I use built in updater or c-line? I just don't want it updating w/o me knowing -> that never happens anyway, unless you went out of your way to make it so
[05:38] <mate|73963> ok sounds good. I mean it won't update me to 16.10 or anything right?
[05:38] <ouroumov> no
[05:39] <ouroumov> It will propose Ubuntu MATE 18.04.1 LTS when it will be available in two years
[05:39] <mate|73963> ok cool
[08:51] <werly_> hey
[08:51] <Akuli> Hi werly_
[08:52] <werly_> where are you from?
[08:52] <Akuli> type this: /whois Akuli
[09:04] <LuiX> how you doing folks. I have an encrypted partition which caja stopped promtping for the passphrase. it just mounts it as if it was a normal partition. any ideas?
[10:32] <pyrrhichios> Hi folks. I had a question about ubuntu mate on the raspberry pi. I have it running right now on a raspberry pi 3, which I'd quite like to claim back for another project. I have an unused rpi2. Can I just take the card out of the 3 and stick it in the 2? I think with raspbian this would be no problem but wasn't surer it'd be the same with ubuntu.
[10:39] <pyrrhichios> oops. I must have closed the window accidentally there, sorry!
[14:00] <LuiX> hey there, I'm trying to revert a remembered encryption passphrase in the keyring, but I cannot see it on seahorse. Any ideas?
[15:47] <Questioneer> Hi
[15:48] <Akuli> Hi TheAsker :)
[15:49] <TheAsker> Hi Akuli :)
[15:49] <TheAsker> A quick question rg U MATE?
[15:50] <Akuli> ok
[15:50] <TheAsker> Adoption of Linux Mint introduced x-apps? What would be the cons?
[15:53] <Akuli> i have no idea why you'd use the x-apps
[15:54] <Akuli> ubuntu mate is pretty much what you'd expect, much like mint but you can upgrade with the terminal and its written by more skilled people
[15:54] <TheAsker> "more skilled people" as compared to Mint you mean?
[15:56] <Akuli> yes
[15:56] <Akuli> if you've read some of mint's code you're amazed how little mint is crashing
[15:59] <TheAsker> hmm
[15:59] <TheAsker> dont know much abt coding
[15:59] <TheAsker> thats why im asking
[16:00] <TheAsker> what is strange is that MATE itself was started by the Mint people...isnt that statement a bit strange in light of this fact, ie. how do u explain this?
[16:02] <Akuli> i don't think mate was started by mint people
[16:02] <Akuli> lets check actually
[16:02] <Akuli> mate itself is completely independent of mint, at least nowadays
[16:03] <ouroumov_> What do you mean "it was started by the Mint people"?
[16:03] <ouroumov_> Any source to back up that statement?
[16:03] <ouroumov_> hm
[16:04] <Akuli> according to wikipedia it was just first included in a distro by mint people
[16:04] <Akuli> so thats starting a project right?? :D
[16:09] <TheAsker> Sorry Akuli, I got diconnected for a min, could u paste agin reply, in case you have replied rg this MATE vs Mint etc ? please :)
[16:11] <Akuli> according to wikipedia
[16:12] <Akuli> mate was not started by mint, mint was just one of the first distros that used it
[16:13] <Akuli> so answering your question, the biggest advantages i see in ubuntu mate are that it comes wth better quality software than mint and you can upgrade your system with the terminal without breaking it
[16:13] <TheAsker> ok then, i misunderstood it...on the xapps question: the idea is to reuse code in at least 3 DEs (Xfce, MATE, Cinnamon)
[16:15] <Akuli> i know that, but why?
[16:15] <Akuli> all these DE's have working applications, they don't need xapp garbage
[16:16] <Akuli> also, the xapp stuff is fully developed by mint so i expect them to be buggy
[16:16] <TheAsker> hmm, but why do u say garbage? I mean really, im open mindedly looking for answers...the idea is to reuse code, merge stuff...
[16:16] <TheAsker> thats positivive...
[16:16] <Akuli> ...throw away working applications just to make new ones?
[16:16] <Akuli> is that positive?
[16:17] <Akuli> i guess so if the developers have boring and you want to make x-apps because they're cool
[16:17] <Akuli> they want to
[16:19] <Akuli> if you know something about python and bash/sh you'll realize that code like this can be quite a security risk https://github.com/linuxmint/mintnanny/blob/master/usr/lib/linuxmint/mintnanny/mintnanny.py#L117
[16:19] <Akuli> thats from the official mint github
[16:19] <TheAsker> if u, for example, "throw away" as u say, three of them, in order to maintain only one? thats good for me
[16:19] <Akuli> they don't need much maintaining in my opinion
[16:19] <TheAsker> MATE apps would never appear if they were not foked
[16:19] <TheAsker> at one point
[16:19] <Akuli> thats true
[16:19] <TheAsker> that was throwing away too, asyou say
[16:20] <Akuli> no, it wasn't
[16:20] <Akuli> the idea was never to replace gnome 3
[16:20] <Akuli> and throw away its versions of the apps
[16:20] <Akuli> but lets not complain about this
[16:21] <TheAsker> dont disagree with the code snippets, simply dont know, you are probably right
[16:21] <Akuli> mint was also hacked like you probably know
[16:22] <Akuli> ubuntu has been very reliable for a long time because there's much more people working on it
[16:24] <TheAsker> ubuntu, imho, is also very problematic, from other points of view :)
[16:24] <Akuli> like?
[16:24] <TheAsker> i guess its a well known fact anyway
[16:25] <TheAsker> what happened to that search thing eventually? :)
[16:25] <TheAsker> disgrace if yoiu ask me
[16:27] <Akuli> search thing?
[16:27] <Akuli> i dont know which search thing you're talking about
[16:28] <TheAsker> amazon search, suggested search results
[16:28] <Akuli> i haven't heared about that
[16:28] <Akuli> but i don't use the basic ubuntu
[16:28] <Akuli> ubuntu mate is nicer
[16:29] <TheAsker> brb
[16:33] <TheAsker> Snowden bashed Ubuntu Linux quite directly. Never heard any response from Canonical :)
[16:33] <TheAsker> I wonder why be associated with Canonical in any way?
[16:34] <Guest97067> could anyone help with a little issue i dont understand
[16:34] <Akuli> yes, if i know how to
[16:34] <Akuli> TheAsker, i think mint has canonocal repos by default
[16:34] <Akuli> ubuntu doesn't
[16:35] <TheAsker> it does, but what kinda case against such extremely sertiopus accusations it is for Ubuntu?
[16:35] <Guest97067> i keep getting a line of text sying that i have multiple sources configured and i cant remove them
[16:35] <TheAsker> Canonical never responded in any way asfar as i am aware
[16:36] <Akuli> Guest97067, what are you trying to do?
[16:36] <Akuli> TheAsker, well, if you've installed stuff like skype on mint its coming straight from the canonical repo :)
[16:37] <Guest97067> i was just trying to update my software via the software center
[16:37] <Guest97067> ad i get this text
[16:37] <Guest97067> W:Target Sources (main/source/Sources) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/tomahawk-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list:2 and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/tomahawk-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list:3, W:Target Sources (main/source/Sources) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/tomahawk-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list:2 and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/tomahawk-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list:4, W:The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/
[16:37] <Guest97067> tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file., W:Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use., W:See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details., W:Failed to fetch http://us.old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/InRelease  Could not resolve 'us.old-releases.ubuntu.com', E:Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/
[16:37] <Guest97067> tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found, W:Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[16:38] <Guest97067> so i dont know how to go about it
[16:39] <Akuli> have you added the ppa's yourself?
[16:40] <Akuli> if you're not sure say no
[16:40] <Guest97067> i tried that through cmd using sudo add-apt-repository
[16:40] <Akuli> you need to apt-get update after that
[16:40] <Guest97067> correct
[16:40] <Guest97067> and i get this
[16:40] <Akuli> now you have it twice
[16:40] <Akuli> you can edit the files it mentions to fix that
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:1 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable InRelease
[16:41] <Guest97067> Err:2 http://us.old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial InRelease
[16:41] <Guest97067>   Could not resolve 'us.old-releases.ubuntu.com'
[16:41] <Guest97067> Hit:3 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable Release
[16:41] <Guest97067> Hit:4 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial InRelease
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:6 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial InRelease
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:7 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial Release
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:8 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main Sources
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:9 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main amd64 Packages
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:10 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main i386 Packages
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:11 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main all Packages
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:12 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main Translation-en_US
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:13 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main Translation-en
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:8 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main Sources
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:9 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main amd64 Packages
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:10 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main i386 Packages
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:11 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main all Packages
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:12 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main Translation-en_US
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:13 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main Translation-en
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:8 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main Sources
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:9 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main amd64 Packages
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:10 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main i386 Packages
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:11 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main all Packages
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:12 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main Translation-en_US
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:13 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main Translation-en
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:8 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main Sources
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:9 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main amd64 Packages
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:10 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main i386 Packages
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:11 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main all Packages
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:12 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main Translation-en_US
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:13 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main Translation-en
[16:41] <Guest97067> Ign:8 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main Sources
[16:42] <Guest97067> Ign:9 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main amd64 Packages
[16:42] <Guest97067> Ign:10 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main i386 Packages
[16:42] <Guest97067> Ign:11 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main all Packages
[16:42] <Guest97067> Ign:12 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main Translation-en_US
[16:42] <Guest97067> Ign:13 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main Translation-en
[16:42] <Guest97067> Err:8 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main Sources
[16:42] <Akuli> Guest97067, use dpaste.com next time
[16:42] <Guest97067>   404  Not Found
[16:42] <Guest97067> Ign:9 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main amd64 Packages
[16:42] <Guest97067> Ign:10 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main i386 Packages
[16:42] <Guest97067> Ign:11 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main all Packages
[16:42] <Guest97067> Ign:12 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main Translation-en_US
[16:42] <Guest97067> Ign:13 http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main Translation-en
[16:42] <Guest97067> Reading package lists... Done
[16:42] <Guest97067> W: Target Sources (main/source/Sources) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/tomahawk-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list:2 and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/tomahawk-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list:3
[16:42] <Guest97067> W: Target Sources (main/source/Sources) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/tomahawk-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list:2 and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/tomahawk-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list:4
[16:42] <Guest97067> W: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu xenial Release' does not have a Release file.
[16:42] <Guest97067> N: Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use.
[16:42] <Guest97067> N: See apt-secure(8) manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.
[16:42] <Guest97067> W: Failed to fetch http://us.old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial/InRelease  Could not resolve 'us.old-releases.ubuntu.com'
[16:42] <Guest97067> E: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/tomahawk/ppa/ubuntu/dists/xenial/main/source/Sources  404  Not Found
[16:42] <Guest97067> W: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[16:42] <Guest97067> W: Target Sources (main/source/Sources) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/tomahawk-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list:2 and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/tomahawk-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list:3
[16:42] <Guest97067> W: Target Sources (main/source/Sources) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/tomahawk-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list:2 and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/tomahawk-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list:4
[16:43] <Guest97067> oh my apologizes
[16:43] <TheAsker> Honestly, big doubts that Canonical is a very dishonest company. And the more one asks more questions are raised rg their honesty...
[17:26] <Akuli> Guest97067, did you add the ppa's yourself?
[17:31] <Guest97067> http://dpaste.com/2BYMTX2
[17:31] <Guest97067> yes i did
[17:31] <Guest97067> but i think i may have messed up obviously
[17:32] <Akuli> whats in /etc/apt/sources.list.d?
[17:33] <Guest97067> it tells me"bash: /etc/apt/sources.list.d: Is a directory"
[17:33] <Akuli> ls it
[17:34] <Akuli> ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[17:34] <Guest97067> what does that do?
[17:34] <Akuli> ls is short for list
[17:34] <Akuli> it'll list what's in there
[17:35] <Guest97067> oh thank you
[17:35] <Guest97067> matthew@matthew-U56E:~$ ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[17:35] <Guest97067> google-chrome.list       tomahawk-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list
[17:35] <Guest97067> google-chrome.list.save  tomahawk-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list.save
[17:35] <Guest97067> matthew@matthew-U56E:~$
[17:36] <Akuli> if i was you i'd move the tomahawk-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list file somewhere, and run apt-get update to see if we still get the errors
[17:36] <Akuli> others may have better solutions so lets wait and see if someone knows
[17:36] <Guest97067> how do i go about doing that
[17:50] <rspione> hi
[17:50] <Akuli> Guest97067, i'm pretty sure bekks has a better solution to your problem, i've never had ppa issues so i'm not that good at fixing them
[18:29] <Guest97067> okay how do i go about it then
[18:30] <Akuli> maybe renaming it is enough?
[18:30] <Guest97067> but there are still multiple copies so isnt there a way to just remove the
[18:30] <Akuli> try this: sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list.d/tomahawk-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/tomahawk-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list_
[18:31] <Akuli> i don't think the .save files are actually doing anything there
[18:32] <Akuli> actually
[18:32] <Akuli> sorry about this mess, but copy-paste this to a terminal: ( cd /etc/apt/sources.list.d/; for i in *; do echo '***' $i '***'; cat $i; done ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:34] <Akuli> it'll give you a link, i want that
[18:36] <Guest97067> http://termbin.com/y3wr
[18:37] <Akuli> ok so the save file is basically the same as the actual list file
[18:37] <Akuli> so lets get rid of the list file: sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/tomahawk-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list
[18:39] <Guest97067> says cann not remove: no such file or directory
[18:41] <Akuli> try the same thing with a _ in the end
[18:41] <Akuli> i think you renamed it
[18:42] <Guest97067> matthew@matthew-U56E:/etc/apt/sources.list.d$ sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/tomahawk-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list_
[18:42] <Guest97067> rm: cannot remove '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/tomahawk-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list_': No such file or directory
[18:42] <Guest97067> matthew@matthew-U56E:/etc/apt/sources.list.d$
[18:42] <Akuli> did you run that multiple times?
[18:42] <Guest97067> just once
[18:42] <Guest97067> ill do it again
[18:43] <Akuli> hmmh
[18:43] <Akuli> you are already in the sources.list.d directry
[18:44] <Akuli> what does this say: { for i in *; do echo '***' $i '***'; cat $i; done } | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:44] <Guest97067> http://termbin.com/8xu4
[18:44] <Akuli> hmm
[18:45] <Akuli> what does pwd say?
[18:45] <Guest97067> matthew@matthew-U56E:~$ pwd
[18:45] <Guest97067> matthew@matthew-U56E:~$
[18:45] <Guest97067> sorry says
[18:46] <Akuli> oh i see
[18:46] <Guest97067>  /home
[18:46] <Akuli> /matthew
[18:46] <Guest97067> yes
[18:46] <Akuli> that explains things a bit
[18:46] <Akuli> do this: cd /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[18:46] <Guest97067> i am quite new so feel free to tell me where i am wrong
[18:47] <Akuli> cd is short for change directory, so we'll basically go to the place with the list files so we don't need to keep typing the full path there all the time
[18:47] <Akuli> then, what does ls say? its short for list, so just lists everything there
[18:48] <Guest97067> matthew@matthew-U56E:/etc/apt/sources.list.d$ ls
[18:48] <Guest97067> google-chrome.list       tomahawk-ubuntu-ppa-xenial.list.save
[18:48] <Guest97067> google-chrome.list.save
[18:48] <Guest97067> matthew@matthew-U56E:/etc/apt/sources.list.d$
[18:48] <Akuli> ok, so we have removed the file
[18:48] <Akuli> now: sudo apt-get update
[18:49] <Akuli> again, copy-paste the output to dpaste
[18:50] <Guest97067> http://dpaste.com/3MEFCMB
[18:50] <Akuli> is that it?
[18:51] <Akuli> which version of ubuntu is this? 14.04? 16.04?
[18:52] <Artemis3> you have duplicate entries, removed duplicates, done.
[18:53] <Guest97067> its ubuntu mate idk which version
[18:53] <Akuli> Guest97067, cat /etc/issue
[18:54] <Akuli> Artemis3, i'm just thinking that his apt-get update output is pretty short
[18:54] <Akuli> does ubuntu mate store its repos under .d or in the main list file?
[18:54] <Guest97067> ubuntu 16.04 lts
[18:55] <Artemis3> check both anyway Akuli
[18:55] <Artemis3> its the same as debian
[18:55] <Akuli> so its all in the sources.list and .d is just for extra stuff?
[18:55] <Artemis3> sources.list and anything under sources.list.d
[18:56] <Artemis3> if you define in both, you get duplicate error
[18:56] <Akuli> hmmh
[18:56] <Artemis3> ir if you make 2 entries unders sources.list.d or inside sources.list, or one in each
[18:56] <Akuli> Guest97067, run on terminal: nc termbin.com 9999 < ../sources.list
[18:57] <Akuli> i mean, his apt-get update output is 8 lines
[18:57] <Akuli> something must be wrong with that
[18:57] <Artemis3> ah that error means its an invalid repository
[18:57] <Guest97067> http://termbin.com/7q26
[18:58] <Artemis3> "Could not resolve 'us.old-releases.ubuntu.com"
[18:58] <Akuli> what the heck is this
[18:58] <Akuli> two lines in sources.list??
[18:58] <Akuli> two lines?
[18:58] <Akuli> i need to download ubuntu mate and run it in a vm
[18:58] <Guest97067> thats fine
[18:58] <Artemis3> thats not bad
[18:58] <Artemis3> but get rid of that old thing
[18:58] <Guest97067> ill be playing league of legends just let me know
[18:58] <Akuli> i mean
[18:58] <Akuli> i was surprised by how little lines this devuan had by default
[18:59] <Akuli> that was 6 lines and comments
[18:59] <Akuli> and then this guy comes here like yeeii, i have two lines
[18:59] <Guest97067> hey i strive for excellence
[18:59] <Artemis3> remove us.old-releases
[19:02] <Artemis3> you should add xenial-security just copy that single line and replace xenial with xenial-security
[19:02] <Akuli> i want to know why he's not having any of that stuff there
[19:03] <Artemis3> its not strictly needed
[19:03] <Artemis3> but good to have sec updates
[19:04] <Akuli> im sure there's more than two lines by default
[19:04] <Artemis3> there is also xenial-updates again, not strictly needed
[19:04] <Akuli> my iso will be downloaded in 20 minutes
[19:04] <Guest97067> i dont know what that is
[19:05] <Guest97067> regarding the xenia stuff
[19:05] <Artemis3> "major bug fix update produced after the final release"
[19:05] <Akuli> ubuntu 16.04 is also known as xenial, and these are juts stuff you can add to the file we're looking at
[19:05] <Artemis3> just add it, its good for you
[19:05] <Artemis3> so 3 lines
[19:05] <Guest97067> lol
[19:06] <Guest97067> i see what you did there
[19:06] <Artemis3> xenial, xenial-updates and xenial-security
[19:06] <Artemis3> rest is the same
[19:06] <Akuli> by default there's also some deb source things..
[19:06] <Artemis3> perhaps you should not use archive, doesnt make sense
[19:06] <Akuli> that sources.list just seems incomplete to me
[19:06] <Artemis3> oh scratch that
[19:06] <Artemis3> it works
[19:07] <Akuli> i mean how can he have something like that
[19:07] <Artemis3> its good with those 3 lines
[19:07] <Akuli> sure, but how does he now have two
[19:07] <Akuli> woow this internet is fast
[19:07] <Akuli> just 15 minutes left
[19:08] <Artemis3> by editing sources.list
[19:09] <Guest97067> i literally havent done anything on this since i added ubuntu mate. then i added ararok and tomahawk to see the difference and all of this happened lol. but im sure i messed something up somewhere
[19:09] <Artemis3> probably the way you added amarok and tomahawk was inadequate
[19:10] <Guest97067> i had no issues with amarok but im sure that is bc it was through the package manager and tomahawk was throught he terminal
[19:10] <Artemis3> yes i bet thats where the mess happened
[19:11] <Guest97067> im sure
[19:11] <Artemis3> or something you did earlier
[19:11] <Guest97067> well it is all a learning experience for me
[19:11] <Guest97067> so i dont mind
[19:11] <Guest97067> thank you for the help though
[19:11] <Guest97067> and helping me understand more
[19:11] <Artemis3> when you want some app search in main repositories first, or add a ppa second
[19:11] <Guest97067> what are some good ap to have
[19:12] <Artemis3> what even tomahawk is for anyway
[19:12] <Guest97067> a music terminal that can link things like pandora, last.fm and spotify together
[19:12] <Artemis3> ah
[19:13] <Artemis3> another media player?
[19:13] <Artemis3> there are too many of those
[19:13] <Guest97067> amarok is just better but i thought i would look at it
[19:13] <Guest97067> there are too many medic players
[19:13] <Guest97067> media
[19:13] <Artemis3> exile? stuff like that
[19:13] <Artemis3> amarok is kde tho
[19:13] <Akuli> are 32-bit and 64-bit sources.lists going to be the same?
[19:13] <Guest97067> see now you lost me
[19:14] <Artemis3> exaile
[19:14] <Artemis3> buh
[19:14] <Artemis3> install exaile, remove the others good day xD
[19:14] <Akuli> i guess they are because i've sometimes copied the sources.list from this 32-bit laptop to my 64-bit desktop after destroying its sources.list
[19:24] <Akuli> two minutes left
[19:24]  * Akuli installs virtualbox
[19:33] <Guest97067> any news?
[19:33] <Akuli> yes, i have a new sources.list for you
[19:34] <Akuli> Artemis3, something like this? http://termbin.com/cbg8
[19:34] <Akuli> thats what the dvd comes with, but without the cdrom one
[19:37] <Akuli> Guest97067, run this: sudo wget http://termbin.com/cbg8 -o /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:39] <Guest97067> nothing happens
[19:39] <Akuli> thats what was supposed to happen :)
[19:39] <Akuli> then run a sudo apt-get update
[19:41] <Akuli> and dpaste output
[19:41] <Guest97067> http://dpaste.com/18K3RG3
[19:42] <Akuli> wtf
[19:42] <Akuli> nc termbin.com 9999 < sources.list
[19:43] <Guest97067> matthew@matthew-U56E:/etc/apt/sources.list.d$ nc termbin.com 9999 < sources.listbash: sources.list: No such file or directory
[19:44] <Guest97067> matthew@matthew-U56E:/etc/apt/sources.list.d$
[19:44] <Akuli> oh right sorry, you're there
[19:44] <Akuli> run 'cd ..' without '' first, then try again
[19:44] <Akuli> now i see!
[19:44] <Akuli> its -O, not -o
[19:44] <Akuli> sorry
[19:44] <Akuli> sudo wget http://termbin.com/cbg8 -O sources.list
[19:45] <Akuli> run that after one cd ..
[19:47] <Guest97067> http://dpaste.com/198NRS6
[19:47] <Akuli> thats awesome :) finally
[19:47] <Akuli> now run an apt-get update
[19:48] <Akuli> sudo apt-get update
[19:49] <Guest97067> matthew@matthew-U56E:~$ sudo apt-get update
[19:49] <Guest97067> E: Type '--2016-07-15' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:49] <Guest97067> N: Ignoring file 'cbg8' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has no filename extension
[19:49] <Guest97067> N: Ignoring file 'cbg8.1' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extension
[19:49] <Guest97067> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[19:49] <Guest97067> matthew@matthew-U56E:~$
[19:49] <Guest97067> lol
[19:49] <Akuli> hmm
[19:50] <Akuli> you're not on the same terminal anymore?
[19:50] <Guest97067> oh did i go to far?
[19:50] <Akuli> no problem
[19:51] <Akuli> run these http://dpaste.com/1EYSEQX
[19:51] <Akuli> this time this shouldn't fail :)
[19:52] <Akuli> sorry about being a bit unpolite sometimes
[19:59] <Guest97067> http://dpaste.com/2X4R1MB
[19:59] <Akuli> awesome!
[19:59] <Akuli> just some stuff to do: ls sources.list.d | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:00] <Guest97067> http://termbin.com/j8js
[20:09] <Akuli> sudo rm sources.list.d/cbg8*
[20:09] <Akuli> sudo apt-get update
[20:09] <Akuli> we shouldn't have any errors this time :)
[20:10] <Guest97067> should there be an * after it
[20:11] <Akuli> yes
[20:11] <Akuli> it means that anything that starts with cbg8 will be removed
[20:13] <Guest97067> http://dpaste.com/1K8VQTQ
[20:13] <Guest97067> looks great now
[20:13] <Akuli> indeed
[20:14] <Guest97067> hah well thank you for everything
[20:14] <Akuli> :)
[20:14] <Akuli> that was a mess
[20:14] <Guest97067> what do i do with my computer now lol
[20:14] <Akuli> i have no idea :D
[20:14] <Guest97067> lol now i have nothing to do
[20:14] <Akuli> check if you have updates
[20:14] <Akuli> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[20:14] <Guest97067> do you suggest adding the "ubuntu after install" package?
[20:14] <Akuli> whats that
[20:14] <gizmos> this chat is only for who use ubuntu mate ??
[20:15] <Akuli> gizmos, if so then i should be kicked out of here :)
[20:16] <Guest97067> ^
[20:16] <gizmos> hhh stay here we need you XD
[20:19] <gizmos> who know a nice video editor for linux ?
[20:20] <Akuli> pitivi or openshot?
[20:20] <Akuli> kdenlive?
[20:20] <Akuli> choose whatever works for you, and what crashes least :)
[20:21] <gizmos> thanks bro
[20:21] <Guest97067> akuli wat do you use your linux os for?
[20:22] <Akuli> i have ubuntu mate on my other computer, this laptop runs devuan
[20:22] <Akuli> which is nice because this is not exactly a fast computer :)
[20:23] <Guest97067> oh alright. i just got fed up with windows and decided to dive head first in. i hope i can still use it for college though
[20:23] <Akuli> depends on what you need to do there
[20:24] <Guest97067> mainly microsoft word, and excel as well as internet
[20:24] <Guest97067> just basic things
[20:24] <Akuli> libreoffice should be enough for that
[20:25] <Guest97067> is there a way to get microsoft note?
[20:25] <Akuli> oh that stuff
[20:26] <Akuli> if you get a onedrive account from the college you can use it with a web browser
[20:27] <gizmos> I have a computer  with 1GB of ram DDR2, 512MB graphic Card, and Dual core, which linux OS good for it ?
[20:27] <Guest97067> mate
[20:27] <Guest97067> lol idk
[20:27] <Akuli> that 1GB is pretty little
[20:27] <Akuli> how experienced are you?
[20:28] <Akuli> if you want a really fast distro go with devuan and mate or xfce, if not probably ubuntu mate 14.04
[20:28] <Akuli> even though i'd probably recommend devuan anyway with that ram
[20:29] <gizmos> this is my first day with linux XD
[20:31] <Akuli> well, #devuan is a really friendly channel
[20:32] <Akuli> lots of advanced and enthustiastic people ready to help newcomers
[20:34] <Guest97067> so what is a good way to learn your way around linux
[20:49] <Akuli> i dont know
[20:49] <Akuli> i've used linux for programming a lot, so i've needed to learn some terminal stuff to get things done, and i got interested in it more