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| saidinesh5 | brr.. build/core/product_config.mk:227: *** _nic.PRODUCTS.[[device/xiaomi/cancro/cancro.mk]]: "device/qcom/common/Android.mk" does not exist. Stop. | 05:13 |
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| saidinesh5 | can anyone tell me where should i be looking at for that error message for lunch ? | 05:13 |
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| brunch875 | guise guise! On rc-proposed, after update screen doesn't lock anymore | 07:43 |
| brunch875 | and manually locking it will make screen turn black but not shut down | 07:43 |
| ogra | brunch875, see the second paragraph in https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg21572.html | 07:47 |
| brunch875 | thanks oli ☺ | 07:48 |
| ogra | (not sure if it is related though, ask sil2100 ) | 07:48 |
| ogra | (but it sounds likely that it could) | 07:48 |
| brunch875 | it also seems that the brightness slider doesn't do anything | 07:50 |
| sil2100 | Yeah, actually powerd should be used back again, so I would expect less problems | 07:50 |
| brunch875 | and the "automatic" toggle is gone | 07:50 |
| sil2100 | brunch875: do you have the latest update? | 07:50 |
| brunch875 | on rc-proposed, yes | 07:50 |
| sil2100 | hmmm | 07:50 |
| ogra | wasnt there also a new mir ? | 07:51 |
| ogra | (probably the combo of rolling back one but landing the other causes this) | 07:51 |
| sil2100 | brunch875: could you check what version of powerd is installed? (and if it's installed?( | 07:52 |
| sil2100 | )) | 07:52 |
| brunch875 | sure, how do I do that? | 07:52 |
| sil2100 | brunch875: get to the terminal (either through adb, ssh or in the terminal application) and type in apt-cache policy powerd | 07:53 |
| brunch875 | 1 se | 07:53 |
| sil2100 | Thanks ;) | 07:53 |
| sil2100 | ogra: I'm worried that the removal of repowerd was not enough to get rid of it from existing devices... | 07:54 |
| ogra | yeah, that could be an issue too | 07:54 |
| sil2100 | Since we never really had to revert a new package before | 07:55 |
| brunch875 | Installed and candidate: 0.16+15.04.2015219-0ubuntu3 | 07:55 |
| brunch875 | 20150219* | 07:55 |
| sil2100 | hm, ok, looks fine | 07:55 |
| sil2100 | brunch875: could you also try apt-cache policy repowerd | 07:56 |
| sil2100 | ? | 07:56 |
| sil2100 | Just to make sure it's really gone | 07:56 |
| sil2100 | uh oh | 07:56 |
| sil2100 | No wait, this is really an old version | 07:56 |
| raph_ael | Hi, I'm running OTA 11, image 20160524.1 on a Nexus 4 and it seems to be killing the battery more than precedents images | 07:56 |
| ogra | heh, i was about to say ... | 07:56 |
| sil2100 | WTH | 07:57 |
| * sil2100 looks at the manifest | 07:57 | |
| ogra | did you get the archive version instead of the overlay ? | 07:57 |
| brunch8751 | sorry, internet died on me | 07:57 |
| brunch8751 | sil2100: I got that output from apt-cache | 07:58 |
| sil2100 | ogra: holy shit it the images DO HAVE an outdated powerd, no idea why | 07:58 |
| sil2100 | Let me check the image build logs, but this is stupid | 07:58 |
| sil2100 | brunch8751: obviously all the issues are caused by the image build pulling in some archaic version of powerd - the one the latest rc-proposed images have is from 2015! | 07:59 |
| sil2100 | ogra: I think it's related to me removing repowerd from the overlay ;( | 07:59 |
| brunch8751 | :D | 07:59 |
| sil2100 | ogra: I think because repowerd was offering a virtual package of powerd to deprecate it, now that it's gone it also cannot install powerd from the overlay | 08:00 |
| sil2100 | Need to consult Colin | 08:00 |
| sil2100 | brunch8751: ok, so we'll try to resolve this issue ASAP and rebuild an image | 08:01 |
| brunch8751 | goodluck and godspeed! | 08:01 |
| sil2100 | brunch875: hey! We 'fixed' the problem possibly, building a new image now | 09:18 |
| sil2100 | This should fix it hopefully | 09:18 |
| aquarius_ | tvoss, ping about fingerprint things | 09:20 |
| aquarius_ | tvoss, specifically this. When you enrol a fingerprint, do you enrol it on the _fingerprint reader_, or the _device_? That is, when the OS asks the fingerprint reader "what did they just scan", does it get told "here is the detail of the fingerprint that got scanned: <blah>" and it's the OS's job to work out who that is, or does the OS get told "that was enrolled fingerprint 3" and that's it? | 09:23 |
| brunch875 | sil2100: Awesome! I'll keep an eye on the updater | 09:24 |
| tvoss | aquarius_, the actual fingerprint data is not accessible to the os (neither kernel nor user space) at all, the actual data is handled by a trustlet running in the mobicore TEE | 09:41 |
| tvoss | aquarius_, we only get an opaque, numerical handle | 09:42 |
| aquarius_ | tvoss, ah, that's what I thought (thanks to mzanetti advising me on that). | 09:42 |
| aquarius_ | tvoss, is trustzone available to Ubuntu phones? That is: can I store keys in the TPM? | 09:42 |
| tvoss | aquarius_, during enrollment, we receive information which areas have been sufficiently covered | 09:43 |
| tvoss | aquarius_, not yet, we don't expose the hw key store | 09:43 |
| aquarius_ | tvoss, aha, OK. (Is that because it's just not done yet, or is there an actual restriction preventing it from happening?) | 09:43 |
| tvoss | aquarius_, just not done, yet. there is an open topic about establishing a chain of trust as (depending on the implementation) the hw key store might need a signed boot loader | 09:44 |
| aquarius_ | tvoss, that makes sense, yeah. | 09:45 |
| aquarius_ | One other question: NFC support is doubtless somewhere on the roadmap. Do you have a sense of whether it's close or not, and whether it's not done because it's difficult or not done just because it hasn't made it to priority 1 yet? | 09:45 |
| tvoss | aquarius_, question of priority, also: we would need a service multiplexing access to the actual hw | 09:46 |
| aquarius_ | ah. So there's quite a bit of work to be done before NFC support arrives. | 09:46 |
| tvoss | aquarius_, likely, yes | 09:46 |
| tvoss | aquarius_, as usual, help is very welcome :) | 09:46 |
| aquarius_ | OK, that's useful; thank you, pal! | 09:47 |
| tvoss | sure | 09:47 |
| aquarius_ | help is indeed welcome. I'll let you know about that. | 09:47 |
| aquarius_ | tvoss, oh, one other thing :) Full disk encryption? :) | 09:57 |
| tvoss | aquarius_, help welcome :) | 09:57 |
| aquarius_ | ha! I knew that bit :) Was more thinking: has any thought gone into that already? | 09:58 |
| tvoss | aquarius_, quite some, yes. it mainly requires adjusting the auto-login approach and make user authentication/verification a part of the early boot process | 09:59 |
| aquarius_ | yeah. I figured there would already be some thinking around this! | 09:59 |
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| UExit | Hi | 11:00 |
| brunch875 | Know something I'd love? To use my utouch as a "wireless trackpad" + keyboard for my desktop/laptop | 11:23 |
| brunch875 | could be great for watching youtube or whatever | 11:23 |
| Miyagi_ | hi, porting link do not exist. | 12:03 |
| Miyagi_ | i have a qusetion, is it, and if how, do i chroot to a ubuntu image to set up some software before flashing the image to the phone. | 12:03 |
| Miyagi_ | like i wanted to install ecryptfs before flashing the image to the phones | 12:04 |
| ogra | Miyagi_, why do you want to do that before flashing (whats the benefit of that) ? | 12:17 |
| Miyagi_ | i want to be able to deploy a image to 100 phones | 12:18 |
| Miyagi_ | with the ecryptfs tools | 12:18 |
| Miyagi_ | or how to i deploy things like this | 12:18 |
| Miyagi_ | any manpage of that? | 12:18 |
| ogra | nope, i dont think so, and the rootfs isnt designed to be modified ... it would break with a subsequent OTA update | 12:19 |
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| Miyagi_ | i basicly want to set up some custom tools on our phones, then flash them all with those tools | 12:19 |
| ogra | you could supply extra bits with a custom tarball, but i dont think that is well documented either (and i dont think you could use debian packages with it) | 12:20 |
| Miyagi_ | with adb shell | 12:20 |
| ogra | (it would have to be click pacages) | 12:20 |
| Miyagi_ | apt-get install ecryptfs | 12:20 |
| Miyagi_ | it works on the phone, i just need a image to conatin all libs | 12:20 |
| ogra | wont work without making the rootfs writable ... | 12:20 |
| Miyagi_ | before flash | 12:20 |
| ogra | which is very likely breaking in a future update | 12:21 |
| Miyagi_ | maybe | 12:21 |
| Miyagi_ | but i just need to do it at the moment | 12:21 |
| ogra | and makes you leave any supported upgrade paths | 12:21 |
| Miyagi_ | is it possible | 12:21 |
| ogra | sure, if you dont mind your users to end up with non-booting phones at some point (or some such) | 12:21 |
| ogra | the OTA deltas require that the rootfs remains unchanged | 12:22 |
| Miyagi_ | but i have tested it, install thing, there is no erro in rebootin | 12:22 |
| Miyagi_ | i just need the ecryptfs be on a flshable image | 12:22 |
| ogra | then wait til encryption is supported :) | 12:22 |
| Miyagi_ | i cant | 12:23 |
| ogra | if you do it for actual end users ... the only answer is *don't* | 12:23 |
| ogra | if you do it for tinkering on a device you re-flash anyway, go ahead ... but i promise you it will break at some OTA | 12:23 |
| Miyagi_ | let me try | 12:24 |
| Miyagi_ | but how | 12:24 |
| ogra | you cant use apt and OTA at the same time | 12:24 |
| ogra | and apt upgrades are not supported at all | 12:24 |
| ogra | so if you chage the content of the rootfs it *will* eventuall break | 12:24 |
| Miyagi_ | i not need any upgrades | 12:24 |
| Miyagi_ | i need a cusom software easy deployed to 100 phones | 12:25 |
| ogra | so you dont want security fixes and leave your users with open security hiles ? | 12:25 |
| ogra | *holes | 12:25 |
| Miyagi_ | not right now, no | 12:25 |
| ogra | well, flash it ... make it writable, run a script via adb | 12:25 |
| ogra | but dont come askin for help here if your 100 users cant boot their phones anymore | 12:26 |
| ogra | (which will likely happen) | 12:26 |
| Miyagi_ | :) no, i have tried it - it will boot | 12:26 |
| ogra | apt support is for tinkering when you develop the system and are prepared to wipe the phone regulary | 12:26 |
| Miyagi_ | but is there not any other mass tools to fix it, adb shell on every single phone sees to hard | 12:27 |
| ogra | it *will* break as soon as a fil changes that you changed to | 12:27 |
| Miyagi_ | and i not want adb enabled later | 12:27 |
| ogra | which might not be the nex, but the overnext OTA | 12:27 |
| ogra | do not give such phones to endusers | 12:27 |
| ogra | the system is not designed to use apt | 12:28 |
| Miyagi_ | no, i will not give it to end users, i just want to know how i can do a massproduction of cusom software i need | 12:28 |
| ogra | you engage with canonical and have them create a custom tarball for you ... aftter they packaged your desired software in a click package | 12:28 |
| Miyagi_ | if i need, lets say another software | 12:28 |
| Miyagi_ | it must be able to add some libs | 12:29 |
| ogra | or you find out how to create a custom tarball yourself and create a click for ecryptfs (though i doubt in this case that is helpful) | 12:29 |
| Miyagi_ | or when do they launch encryption, do you know? | 12:29 |
| Miyagi_ | maybe i can wait | 12:29 |
| ogra | i guess afterthe switch to snappy | 12:29 |
| ogra | which will be after th switch to a xenial base | 12:30 |
| Miyagi_ | i use xenial right now | 12:30 |
| ogra | (the xenia thing is being worked on currently ... but that will still take quite a while) | 12:30 |
| ogra | xenial isnt for users yet | 12:30 |
| ogra | completely unsupported and likely to break | 12:30 |
| Miyagi_ | no, i not care about who it is for | 12:30 |
| Miyagi_ | i develop | 12:30 |
| Miyagi_ | and nned to know how to massproduce things in the future | 12:31 |
| ogra | the actual system developemtn happens in the rc-proposed channel | 12:31 |
| tsimonq2 | ogra: Yakkety? ;) | 12:31 |
| ogra | not in xenial | 12:31 |
| Miyagi_ | but, i read half of internet by now | 12:31 |
| Miyagi_ | cant find any usefull info abut my problem | 12:31 |
| ogra | there is no useful solution to your problam | 12:31 |
| ogra | beyond including ecryptfs in the default rootfs | 12:31 |
| Miyagi_ | so i am fucked | 12:32 |
| Miyagi_ | to say it in a few words | 12:32 |
| ogra | i it is just for developers, use a script you run after flashing | 12:32 |
| tsimonq2 | !language | Miyagi_ | 12:32 |
| ubot5 | Miyagi_: The main Ubuntu channels require that you speak in calm, polite English. For other languages, please visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList | 12:32 |
| ogra | (adb push it ... run it via adb ... have it remove itself at the end and disable adb) | 12:32 |
| Miyagi_ | sorry.... | 12:32 |
| Miyagi_ | ok, thi shelped me a lot anyway | 12:33 |
| ogra | but really, dontuse xenial | 12:33 |
| ogra | it is far from being ready | 12:33 |
| Miyagi_ | not need to try more, tested a few days allready | 12:33 |
| Miyagi_ | where can i see release info | 12:34 |
| ogra | (it will sonn change all bits to systemd ... it will most likely break during that to the point of being unbootable for a few updates) | 12:34 |
| Miyagi_ | o no not systemd | 12:34 |
| ogra | its the default now | 12:34 |
| Miyagi_ | that sucks | 12:35 |
| ogra | no way around it | 12:35 |
| ogra | why do you care ? | 12:35 |
| Miyagi_ | since i need to modify it | 12:35 |
| * ogra doesnt think it matters much what /sbin/init you use ... effectively systemd doesnt really differ in that bit) | 12:35 | |
| Miyagi_ | and there are more easy ways that systemd | 12:35 |
| ogra | there are many issues with systemd ... /sbin/init surely isnt one ... | 12:36 |
| Miyagi_ | i ust thank you for your support | 12:37 |
| Miyagi_ | m.. | 12:37 |
| ogra | (i agree about the systemd tree swallowing the whole pumbing layer is an awful idea ... but we're really only talking about init here ... ) | 12:37 |
| Miyagi_ | it saved me a lot of hours from now | 12:37 |
| ogra | oh, also note that none of the C++ apps in the store will work in xenial ... there was an incompatible ABI change ... | 12:38 |
| Miyagi_ | so | 12:40 |
| Miyagi_ | channel | 12:40 |
| Miyagi_ | ubuntu-touch/stable/bq-aquaris.en | 12:40 |
| Miyagi_ | for me | 12:40 |
| Miyagi_ | or? | 12:40 |
| ogra | Miyagi_, or rc-proposed if you want to be a bit more on the edge | 12:52 |
| Miyagi_ | edge, wasn't xenial that ? | 12:53 |
| Miyagi_ | :) | 12:53 |
| Miyagi_ | then maybe you know another thing. how can i map screenlock password to a stdin | 12:55 |
| Miyagi_ | screenlockpasswrod then | 12:55 |
| Miyagi_ | run a script on the phone like ./sctipy $1 | 12:55 |
| Miyagi_ | and $1 is as you see passwd | 12:55 |
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| dobey | running xenial on a phone is beyond the edge. | 13:02 |
| brunch875 | sill2100 it's all good now, clap clap ☺ | 13:05 |
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| Miyagi_ | anyway | 13:43 |
| Miyagi_ | i solved the problem with custom apps installed via apt-get och build from source | 13:43 |
| Miyagi_ | install build essentials on a phone, build from source the tools you need in a custom folder, add that custom folder when flashing, then you have all libs you need for the ap to run | 13:44 |
| Miyagi_ | then there is a clean phone with a flder with libs and other siftware | 13:45 |
| Miyagi_ | it works, maybe it is not the absolute best way | 13:45 |
| Miyagi_ | i now run stable dist in the phone with the software i needed | 13:45 |
| dobey | oh so you broke your phone, ok :) | 13:49 |
| dobey | what software is it that you "need" ? | 13:50 |
| dobey | oh you're trying to make a custom image with ecryptfs? | 13:51 |
| Miyagi_ | yes | 13:51 |
| ogra | well, it will work if you never upgrade | 13:53 |
| dobey | well if you're setting up your own system-image server, and forking ubuntu to do that, you can grab the preinstalled.tar.gz, unpack it, install what you need in it, clean the apt-cache and extra junk that was created and not needed on a phone, and repack the tarball, then use that for your custom images, instead of the official preinstalled.tar.gz | 13:53 |
| ogra | oh, indeed | 13:53 |
| dobey | but you are creating a fork of ubuntu at this point, either way you do it, so might as well do it in a more manageable way :) | 13:53 |
| * ogra didnt think of the possibility to run your own s-i server :) | 13:53 | |
| Miyagi_ | then help me in the right direction | 13:54 |
| Miyagi_ | i need t ofork it, and i would like to do it in the best possible way | 13:55 |
| Miyagi_ | but | 13:56 |
| Miyagi_ | is there not any better way to install | 13:56 |
| Miyagi_ | can i chroot into a image and do the instalation from my laptop | 13:56 |
| dobey | if you need encrypted ubuntu phones, the best way is "wait for it to be implmeenmted properly" | 13:57 |
| ogra | right | 13:57 |
| ogra | thats what i sai hours ago :) | 13:57 |
| ogra | *said | 13:57 |
| ogra | but that will likely only happen after the switch to a snappy base | 13:57 |
| dobey | well, i suppose soemthing could be done to enable encrypted home only, before then, but i think the "best way" for that would probably be "commercial support contract" | 13:59 |
| dobey | a full set of requirements well beyond "just want encrypted $HOME" would be a good start, ie, what UI is needed, where, and what system integration work would be needed, etc... | 14:01 |
| Miyagi_ | sometimes, you just cant wait | 14:01 |
| ogra | the prob with full encryption is that you end up with a gigantic initrd ... not sure that would even work with the current boot partition szes we have defined | 14:01 |
| Miyagi_ | i just need home or another dir | 14:02 |
| ogra | encrypted home shouldnt be to hard but needs login manager integration and such | 14:02 |
| Miyagi_ | but i need it | 14:02 |
| ogra | so likely a good bunch of patching | 14:02 |
| Miyagi_ | end encryptfs | 14:02 |
| ogra | (and indeed integration of the crypto bits in the rootfs) | 14:03 |
| Miyagi_ | but | 14:03 |
| Miyagi_ | i fixed a temp working solution | 14:03 |
| ogra | though i wonder how safe a 4 digit passphrase can actually be and if it is worth the effort :) | 14:04 |
| dobey | well, it's safe enough | 14:05 |
| ogra | if your door lock can be opened with a paperclip it doesnt elp to have a steel door | 14:05 |
| dobey | ogra: steel doors are illegal anyway | 14:06 |
| ogra | lol | 14:06 |
| dobey | fire code is the backdoor to the encryption of your home | 14:07 |
| ogra | and likewise, if the bootloader is unlocked and your encryption only lives in a subdir of an unencrypted partition, it is easy to just grab the content and run scripts on it to decrypt | 14:08 |
| dobey | ogra: or if your steel door weighs 3 tons, a paperclip being able to pick a keyhole on it probably sin't too bad either :) | 14:08 |
| ogra | so doing home encryption in the current setup just mimics false security in the end imho | 14:09 |
| dobey | eh, it's all false security anyway | 14:10 |
| Miyagi_ | why should it do false security | 14:10 |
| ogra | well, locked bootloader and partition based encryption with a properly long passphrase is relatively safe i'd say | 14:10 |
| Miyagi_ | do you mean ecryptfs is broken | 14:10 |
| Miyagi_ | if not then the security should be the same | 14:10 |
| ogra | no, i mean it gives you a false sense of being safe | 14:11 |
| Miyagi_ | no it do now | 14:11 |
| Miyagi_ | and 4 digits? my phone has passfrase so, and you not even now how i would unlock the directory | 14:11 |
| ogra | you only have a 4 digit pass phrase ... the bootloader is open so you can always grab the encrypted dir and push it to a PC to run decryption tools on it | 14:11 |
| dobey | ogra: well, agaisnt your psycho ex partner maybe, but not necessarily against someone with infinite resources after they shoot you and take your phone :) | 14:11 |
| ogra | right | 14:12 |
| Miyagi_ | 4 digits, wwll by a new phone then | 14:12 |
| dobey | ogra: no you don't only have a 4 digit PIN | 14:12 |
| ogra | well, you could indeed set up password locking | 14:12 |
| Miyagi_ | thanks dobey | 14:12 |
| ogra | but who does that when he still wants to conveniently use the phone :P | 14:12 |
| dobey | ogra: which is exactly why your argument is facile :) | 14:13 |
| ogra | (there are plans to de-couple the login from the passwd DB_, then you can have both) | 14:13 |
| dobey | even with full disk encryption, nobody is going to want to type a 32 character pass phrase onto a phone | 14:13 |
| ogra | no | 14:13 |
| ogra | but when we do FDE we will have the de-coupled stuff in place | 14:13 |
| Miyagi_ | since you not even have an idea of what i will do, you should not think loud | 14:14 |
| dobey | ogra: it doesn't matter | 14:14 |
| ogra | for an enduser it does ... | 14:14 |
| ogra | my mom wouldnt use a 10 digit password | 14:14 |
| Miyagi_ | i can here you are not so deep into the phone business | 14:14 |
| Miyagi_ | since then you would be quiet | 14:14 |
| ogra | lol | 14:14 |
| dobey | ogra: it doesn't, because they aren't going to want to type complex secure passwords onto a phone, because it's still an incredible pain in the ass :) | 14:14 |
| Miyagi_ | there is a lot of people who want to type 16 + chars to open a phone | 14:15 |
| dobey | ogra: it only matters to security nerds who think it matters. for 99% of real people, they will use the same 4 digit pin in both places | 14:15 |
| ogra | dobey, exactly | 14:15 |
| dobey | besides | 14:15 |
| Miyagi_ | and ubuntu flash with --password=1234 | 14:15 |
| Miyagi_ | so i set the 16+ passphrase | 14:16 |
| Miyagi_ | not the user | 14:16 |
| dobey | with your massive 8" phone, i can read your password in clear text from the other side of the coffee shop with ease | 14:16 |
| ogra | but thats because you are a decade youonger than me :P | 14:16 |
| * ogra wuld need goggles | 14:16 | |
| dobey | well, more to the point, cameras are everywhere. so if i can read it, so can the NSA/GCHQ/etc... and they have even more time to parse it, being a recorded video :) | 14:17 |
| ogra | yay... paranoia ! | 14:18 |
| dobey | lol, and besides, if the phone is booted, and you are using a 4 number PIN to unlock, then that's all that one needs to get access; so splitting doesn't really make the system more secure :) | 14:19 |
| ogra | indeed | 14:20 |
| ogra | yet there are plans to have lightdm not use the passwd DB anymore :) | 14:21 |
| ogra | and only use that for sudo and stuff ... so you can actually set a safely long PW | 14:21 |
| ogra | but that would indeed not help much with encryption | 14:22 |
| ogra | (but then again ... as long as the bootloader is fully open you arent safe anyway) | 14:22 |
| dobey | well, what i mean is, all i have to do is keep your phone powered, and then guess the unlock PIN, and then enable dev mode and just sync all the data off the device | 14:23 |
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| dobey | anyway | 14:25 |
| dobey | </dark_side> | 14:25 |
| ogra | ii think using the open bootloader to copy the whole disk to a PC to run scripts on it is more efficient than having a robot punch in 4 digits til you hit it | 14:25 |
| dobey | you don't even need to copy the whole disk | 14:25 |
| ogra | well, the shadow db and the encrypted folder ... | 14:26 |
| dobey | you just need to copy the encrypted key, and then run password attacks against it | 14:26 |
| ogra | right in the end just the db | 14:26 |
| dobey | because the key will have to be encrypted with the password | 14:26 |
| ogra | yeah | 14:27 |
| dobey | i wouldn't expect a shadow db to be outside the encrypted disk | 14:27 |
| ogra | so any encryption you can do in todays setup is just obscuring the data a bit ... | 14:27 |
| ogra | false feeling of safety after all ... like i said | 14:27 |
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| dobey | also mr robot is a horrible show. i don't understand why people think it's so great | 14:29 |
| ogra | because it doesnt use kirklands byobou-hollywood setup in every second scene ? | 14:30 |
| ogra | having computers that make *blip* *blip* *beep* at every keystroke ... | 14:31 |
| dobey | because it's literally just fight club meets hackers | 14:31 |
| ogra | well, it is slightly more realistic than the others | 14:32 |
| ogra | thats all i guess | 14:32 |
| dobey | not really :) | 14:32 |
| ogra | slightly :) | 14:32 |
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| ogra__ | bregma: hmm, after weeks i tried my unity8 session on my desktop again today ... i cant seem to be able to launch any libertine apps anymore | 16:26 |
| bregma | ogra__, check if cgmanager is running, we've had spurious complaints about that | 16:27 |
| ogra__ | (system is up to date, syslog shows some zeitgeist errors when i click on teh installed hexchat icon in the libertine launcher) | 16:27 |
| ogra__ | seems to be running ... | 16:27 |
| bregma | ChrisTownsend, was there something else we've seen lately? ^^^ | 16:28 |
| ogra__ | saldy teh keyboard is still completely broken so i cant type a pipe or at | 16:28 |
| ogra__ | (which makes grepping in output a bit awkward) | 16:28 |
| ChrisTownsend | ogra__: Do any apps start? | 16:28 |
| ogra__ | well, i only have hexchat and vim installed ... hexchat flashes a black screen and is gone again | 16:29 |
| ChrisTownsend | ogra__: Aside from libertine apps | 16:29 |
| ogra__ | and syslog shows some zeitgeist complaints | 16:29 |
| ogra__ | oh, yeah | 16:29 |
| ogra__ | i'm typing that in the kiwi irc webapp | 16:29 |
| ogra__ | the terminal runs and i have G+ open in its webapp too | 16:29 |
| bregma | anything in the ~/.cache/upstart logs? | 16:30 |
| ChrisTownsend | ogra__: Ok, so not cgmanager. | 16:30 |
| ogra__ | bah... clicking teh vim icon gets me an uncloseable terminal with vim icon and spinner | 16:31 |
| ogra__ | bregma: what would i look for ? | 16:31 |
| ogra__ | i see compressed libertine-lxc-manager logs ... | 16:32 |
| ChrisTownsend | ogra__: Look for something like application-legacy_${container_id}_${exe_name}_0.0.log | 16:32 |
| ogra__ | ah, found it | 16:33 |
| ogra__ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/19511536/ | 16:33 |
| ogra__ | note tht i created a fresh container today | 16:33 |
| ogra__ | and also freshly installed hsxchat in there | 16:34 |
| ogra__ | *hexchat | 16:34 |
| bregma | mmm, I thought that code was replaced a while ago....... | 16:34 |
| ogra__ | oh, wait, that could be from a manual attempt ... | 16:34 |
| ChrisTownsend | Yeah, that seems like an old libertine... | 16:35 |
| ogra__ | let me wipe that long and try again to see that it actually comes from teh desktop launcher | 16:35 |
| bregma | I'm seeing the same spinning vim right now, but it was working a couple of hours ago... ChrisTownsend how do I check LXC status again? | 16:35 |
| ChrisTownsend | Oh, wait, manual attempt, that would cause that, but that code still looks old... | 16:36 |
| ogra__ | ok, i seethe same error in a fresh log | 16:36 |
| ChrisTownsend | bregma: Hmm, I've never had luck w/ Vim. | 16:36 |
| ogra__ | just wiped it and clicker open (why do we have that and not just launch the app when clicking the icon) | 16:36 |
| ChrisTownsend | bregma: But, lxc-ls --fancy -P ~/.cache/libertine-container | 16:36 |
| ogra__ | *clicked | 16:37 |
| ChrisTownsend | ogra__: That is fixed. I think you need to update. | 16:37 |
| ogra__ | i dist upgraded 20min ago | 16:37 |
| * ogra__ checks again | 16:37 | |
| ogra__ | how teh heck do i get rid of that vimm window .. | 16:37 |
| ChrisTownsend | ogra__: Look for the Xmir process and kill it. | 16:37 |
| bregma | ah, right, I'mm seeing the terminal-only vim, I assumed I had installed gvim in that container | 16:37 |
| ogra__ | vim seems to be preinstalled | 16:38 |
| ogra__ | and brings a terminal .desktop file | 16:38 |
| ogra__ | nothing interesting in the dist upgrade | 16:38 |
| bregma | yes, it but we currently don;t support terminal applications in libertine | 16:38 |
| ChrisTownsend | ogra__: But your Libertine is old and the fact that single click won't just launch tells me you have old software. | 16:39 |
| bregma | it's on the list, it's stuck waiting for me to do something | 16:39 |
| ogra__ | ooooh !!! | 16:39 |
| ogra__ | during my snapcrafting i disabled the overlay PPA ... | 16:39 |
| bregma | *schwing* | 16:39 |
| ChrisTownsend | ogra__: Some other package pulls in vim, not anything we do. | 16:39 |
| ChrisTownsend | lol | 16:39 |
| ogra__ | since that messes up stuff | 16:39 |
| * ogra__ enables it again and uppgrades | 16:39 | |
| bregma | on the upside, supertux runs fine in my container | 16:40 |
| ogra__ | hmpf ... | 16:40 |
| ogra__ | i guess i cant get the sw-sources UI up under mir now | 16:40 |
| ogra__ | <- lazy ... i like the UI tools :P | 16:40 |
| ogra__ | aha ... 20M updates coming down the drain | 16:42 |
| ogra_ | ok, it starts but all my themeing is gone now ... sniff | 16:45 |
| ogra_ | also complains that it has no access to ~/.config/hexchat | 16:45 |
| ogra | aha, better | 16:47 |
| ogra | adding a bind mount to the config helped | 16:47 |
| ogra | now to get the awful win95 look sorted ... | 16:48 |
| ogra | oh ! | 16:48 |
| ogra | ||||@@@@ | 16:48 |
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| ogra | the kbd is fixed | 16:48 |
| ogra | yay | 16:48 |
| ogra | hmm, can i install evolution ? i guess that wont be happy regarding all its background services | 16:50 |
| ogra | WOW | 16:53 |
| ogra | that was unexpected | 16:53 |
| ogra | evolution just works ... including all my data | 16:54 |
| ogra | hmm, only half ... doesnt display any message | 16:57 |
| Laney | that bit is webkit | 16:57 |
| ogra | no, that bit is evo re-syncing 4GB of email for "offline mode" ... it is just busy | 17:00 |
| ogra | silly stuff | 17:00 |
| ogra | seems it found my config but not my ~/.evolution folder ... | 17:00 |
| ogra | so it tries to re-download the world | 17:00 |
| dobey | hmm | 17:02 |
| ogra | thats better ... | 17:03 |
| dobey | what happens if you run a libertine container inside a unity8 that's running inside a libertine container, that's running under unity8? | 17:03 |
| ogra | try it | 17:04 |
| ogra | ARGH | 17:04 |
| ogra | no keyboard repeat in X apps | 17:04 |
| ogra | and i have atlGr in X apps but not in unity or th terminal | 17:04 |
| ogra | GRR | 17:04 |
| bregma | dobey, see if you can do that from Unity 7 running on Bash for Windows | 17:04 |
| bregma | ogra, yes, the keyrepeat is a low-priority fix in Xmir we're waiting on | 17:05 |
| ogra | well, that makes me go back to unity8 | 17:05 |
| bregma | altGr on the other hand, is a Mir fix wending its way through | 17:05 |
| dobey | bregma: i guess it would be the same, you just end up having to run the child unity8 session under xorg | 17:05 |
| ogra | i cant really work without that | 17:05 |
| ogra | bregma, well, it works in libertine, but not in Mir | 17:06 |
| ogra | which is rather weird | 17:06 |
| ogra | i cant type a pipe sign in the terminal app | 17:06 |
| ogra | but here i can ... ||| | 17:06 |
| bregma | something about keymaps | 17:06 |
| ogra | kind of the wrong way around for me to be helpful :) | 17:07 |
| ogra | crap ... evo is really evil ... even with the bind mounted evo folder in place it still tries to re-download | 17:07 |
| davmor2 | ogra: you just figuring this out now | 17:10 |
| ogra | hmm ... my pinned libertine apps are gone from the launcher after re-login | 17:14 |
| dobey | ogra: you should move to the US where we've been teaching that evolution is wrong, the whole time | 17:15 |
| ogra | how do you read your mail in that country then ? | 17:16 |
| ogra | grrr, that broken tap to click makes working really unbearable | 17:17 |
| davmor2 | ogra: they pine lots and lots of pine | 17:17 |
| dobey | ogra: e-mail doesn't evolve, it was simply created. | 17:18 |
| ogra | ah yeah | 17:18 |
| * ogra shakes head | 17:18 | |
| davmor2 | ogra: just use dekko like any sane person | 17:18 |
| ogra | add threading to it and i will | 17:19 |
| dobey | and gpg | 17:19 |
| dobey | and s/mime | 17:19 |
| raph_ael | I've read the discussion about powerd, will there be an image for common users ? | 21:32 |
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