[05:03] <daftykins> no break for France :/
[06:15] <knightwise> morning daftykins
[06:48] <diplo> Morning all
[07:10] <corenominal> morning :)
[07:16] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:01] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:03] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[08:07] <knightwise> hey MooDoo , davmor2
[08:07] <knightwise> How are you guys doin today
[08:08] <davmor2> I'm at the caravan so I have cares today how about you guys
[08:08] <knightwise> davmor2: I envy you. At work today. kindof a slow day.
[08:09] <davmor2> knightwise: I'm still at work just at the caravan :)
[08:10] <knightwise> davmor2: at the current client working from home isnt supported , otherwise I would be working from inside a tent today :)
[08:10] <MooDoo> knightwise: i'm doing ok thanks :D
[08:11] <knightwise> Any geeky things you guys are working on this weekend ?
[08:14] <davmor2> no downtime at the weekend in the caravan
[08:18] <MooDoo> knightwise: might convert all my servers from debian to ubuntu...not sure yet though :)
[08:18] <knightwise> :) Might give my raspberry pi2 another go as a retropi gaming system
[08:19] <davmor2> MooDoo: why can't you leave those poor servers alone already
[08:21] <MooDoo> davmor2: i like to play :D
[08:22] <knightwise> i'll probably take my laptop in my backpack and go cycle to Maastricht this weekend.
[08:22] <knightwise> (Maastricht = netherlands)
[08:22] <MooDoo> ooo nice :D
[08:22] <knightwise> I live about 15 km from Maastricht so ...
[08:23] <JamesTait> Good morning all!  Happy Friday, and happy Give Something Away Day! 😃
[08:25]  * knightwise gives away his remaining workload to somebody else
[08:27] <davmor2> JamesTait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gck-lFLsI1I
[08:30] <davmor2> JamesTait: think that covers it all :D
[08:39] <JamesTait> Another solid effort, davmor2.
[09:10] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[11:05] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:07] <davmor2> morning bigcalm how are you?
[11:08] <bigcalm> davmor2: tip-top ta. Think I've been neglecting social stuff and thought I should pop my head in. How's you?
[11:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: fairly chilled at the minute I'm at the caravan working today
[11:10] <bigcalm> Down sized to a caravan or on 'holiday'?
[11:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: no chill out at the weekend in the caravan we decided to come a day earlier though
[11:13] <bigcalm> Cool
[11:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: you in shrewsbury today?
[11:16] <bigcalm> davmor2: indeed so. I'm normally at home on Fridays, but needed to give Hayley a lift in as she's off for the weekend from here
[11:16] <davmor2> bigcalm: oh fancy
[11:17] <davmor2> bigcalm: well if you want to drop in for a cuppa before you head home feel free :)  We're just off the newport road :)
[11:17] <bigcalm> davmor2: how much did you get for your 407?
[11:17] <bigcalm> Haven't yet put mine on the market, need to asap before it rusts its value down the drain
[11:18] <davmor2> £3200 iirc but that was part exchange against a newer motor
[11:19] <bigcalm> davmor2: cool. B5602?
[11:19] <bigcalm> davmor2: goodness. I'll be lucky to get 2k I think
[11:19] <bigcalm> I guess you did yours a while ago now
[11:20] <davmor2> bigcalm: 2 years
[11:20] <bigcalm> Yeah, makes sense
[11:21] <bigcalm> I'm driving my parent's spare 53 reg Corsa. I miss the comfort of the 407
[11:21] <davmor2> we're about to upgrade again too as soon as it arrives from the factory :D
[11:21] <daftykins> knightwise: sorry i'd just gone to bed then :D
[11:21] <daftykins> just been told Guernsey post bound for Jersey goes via England - what a world we live in
[11:22] <zmoylan-pi> all post in irland is sent to the middle of the country to a humongus sorting office.  seems a bit weird but centralisation for somethings pays off
[11:24] <daftykins> they probably had to outsource the sorting because when the UK government blocked Low Value Consignment Relief (LVCR) - which meant items £20 and under weren't liable for VAT on import to the UK (a practice used to great benefit by HMV, 7dayshop and play.com back in the day) - it trashed the income to Guernsey Post
[11:25] <davmor2> daftykins: it will go to one of the southern sorting offices and be put with the rest of the mail from  the uk/world and then delivered out from there it's more cost efficient that way
[11:25] <daftykins> *nod*
[11:25] <foobarry> got my shipment: http://imgur.com/a/wrzpp
[11:26] <daftykins> excellent! not sure how the dog is going to hold it, though
[11:27] <foobarry> its got a strap
[11:27] <daftykins> :D
[11:27] <foobarry> dog getting a haircut soon
[11:29] <zmoylan-pi> a sled harness and tie a plush rabbit to the metal detector  and hang it over the front of the dog so he chases the rabbit... simple
[11:29] <daftykins> oof just hit alt+5 to change window in irssi but had a music tagging program as the active window, disabled the main function and had to hunt for a moment XD
[11:40] <knightwise> @Damn
[11:40] <knightwise> just got ambushed by a national Tv crew
[11:46] <daftykins> D:
[11:46] <daftykins> not Pokémoning were you? ;)
[11:48] <zmoylan-pi> worse, updating his my little pony blog...
[11:49]  * daftykins gasps
[11:50] <zmoylan-pi> ...on a windows phone...
[11:50]  * daftykins gasps again!
[11:51]  * knightwise throws computer in the fire after reading this
[11:51] <zmoylan-pi> wearing a 'os/2 forever' t-shirt
[11:53] <daftykins> now i understand why that was worthy of national TV attention!
[12:01] <daftykins> a client has a really amusing situation in his kitchen, the TV in there loses its' freeview signal when the AV receiver amp hooked up to it is turned on
[12:03] <davmor2> daftykins, zmoylan-pi: you'll notice that knightwise only got upset when you said windows phone so the rest must of been accurate ;)
[12:04] <daftykins> XD
[12:05] <zmoylan-pi> i suspect i'd use a windows phone as my next hammer if i was required to use one for some reason
[12:08] <knightwise> daftykins: And i wasn't pokemoning OR updating my little pony blog
[12:08] <knightwise> I don't blog about MLP
[12:08] <knightwise> I have a cosplay fan-fic videoseries on youtube
[12:08] <knightwise> you all know that
[12:08] <daftykins> wishful thinking on zmoylan-pi's part, i suspect
[12:12] <davmor2> knightwise: you were setting up yugi-oh card swaps weren't you
[12:21] <knightwise> Yep
[12:27]  * zmoylan-pi checks to see were the pokemon go players fall on the old geek hierarchy... :-P http://brunching.com/geekhierarchy.html
[12:28] <daftykins> "ooh my, dead last"
[12:29] <foobarry> did anyone see that news item about numbered bees?
[12:29] <foobarry> tags had been stuck on them and you have to report if you saw them?
[12:29] <daftykins> XD
[12:29] <foobarry> i found one :D
[12:30] <zmoylan-pi> could be worse, they could have given every bee an email address..... :-)
[12:30] <daftykins> oh wow, was it really so agreeable to have its' label read, foobarry ?
[12:30] <foobarry> yes, it was busy on a flower
[12:30] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: every one has its' own IPv6 range
[12:30] <foobarry> the tag is a label on the back
[12:30] <zmoylan-pi> is their a pic so i can keep an eye out for what we're looking for?
[12:31] <foobarry> http://www.qmul.ac.uk/savelondonbees/view-interactive-sightings-map/
[12:31] <zmoylan-pi> saw a bee last week that could have advertising hoarding on the side it was so big...
[12:31] <foobarry> click on a map marker
[12:31] <foobarry> http://www.qmul.ac.uk/savelondonbees/#form
[12:31] <foobarry> the banner pic also
[12:32] <zmoylan-pi> that's pretty cool.
[12:33] <foobarry> science proves that some bees are lazy and don't go far from the hive
[12:33] <foobarry> some do
[12:33] <foobarry> one joined another colony
[12:33] <zmoylan-pi> splitter
[12:34] <zmoylan-pi> or just wanted a shorter commute
[12:34] <daftykins> didn't like the way the hive was run
[12:34] <foobarry> had a change of hive mind
[12:35] <daftykins> ooh that was a good one!
[12:35] <foobarry> the others told him to buzz off
[12:36] <daftykins> their comments put quite a sting in his tail
[12:36] <foobarry> found a new honey
[12:36] <foobarry> ok, i'll stop now
[12:54] <DJones> Ilike this image from farcebook about pokeman https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13731649_10209280682115794_4702287664274002221_n.jpg?oh=8cc91112eec1b61d965e6ceb1c05a3c6&oe=57EC155A
[13:19] <TwistedLucidity> DJones: Heh, I just tried it and uninstalled it again. Unplayable rubbish.
[13:19] <DJones> I won;t be installing it anyway
[13:19] <DJones> I was too old for pokemon when it first came out
[13:20] <TwistedLucidity> The permissions it want's are....interesting
[13:20] <TwistedLucidity> e.g. All your contacts
[13:20] <DJones> Heh, 1st born son etc
[13:21] <TwistedLucidity> Pretty much. Wanted my D.o.B.; I can't recollect what lie I told it
[13:47] <diddledan> TwistedLucidity: you told it you were a japanese schoolchild
[14:41] <foobarry> http://www.memepile.com/pics/11496-o.png
[14:41] <foobarry> another pokemon pic
[14:47] <diddledan> lol
[14:47] <diddledan> the internet is mad about pokémon right nowe
[14:49] <daftykins> just seen some ex students playing pokémon above the town highstreet just beside me, i said "tone it down before you get desperate enough to buy a battery pack guys" to which they then pulled out their packs...
[14:49] <foobarry> only because the media tell them to
[14:49] <foobarry> so much hype, so many sheep
[14:49] <daftykins> ikr
[14:51] <TwistedLucidity> Dunno. A mate got into Ingres and lost a serious amount of weight doing it. There can be upsides.
[14:52] <daftykins> what's that?
[14:52] <daftykins> yeah, the getting out and about thing can probably be good
[14:52] <TwistedLucidity> Predate Pokémon but same itdea
[14:52] <TwistedLucidity> Control nodes/sectors for your team etc
[14:52] <daftykins> ah - it would be ok if the subject matter were something a bit more grown up
[14:53] <TwistedLucidity> I think Ingress is all about portal or something. Not played it myself.
[14:54] <diddledan> but. daylight hurts my eyes!
[14:55] <daftykins> judging by all the zombies strolling around town last night, i doubt you need to worry about that ;)
[14:56] <daftykins> some sad blighters were even sat in their cars parked up
[14:58] <TwistedLucidity> Meh, so long as it doesn't harm others; I'm none too fussed.
[14:59] <TwistedLucidity> Look at use freaks "hanging out" in a textchat....
[15:00] <daftykins> well as a cyclist i'm sure the addicts in cars will find a way to annoy, such as sudden stops
[15:02] <diddledan> I think it’s terrible that people talk in text chat rooms on “IRC"
[15:02] <diddledan> it’s where hackers hang-out!
[15:02] <Seeker`> daftykins: it's not that childish
[15:03] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/O2rGTXHvPCQ
[15:08] <daftykins> if you say so :)
[15:16] <TwistedLucidity> daftykins: If it's the driver, they should be dealt with in the same way mobile phone use currently is(n't)
[15:17] <TwistedLucidity> "no evidence"....whut?
[15:23] <daftykins> just a trail o' bodies
[15:24] <TwistedLucidity> "Dead men don't talk" "As a forensic scientist, I beg to differ..."
[15:31] <dwatkins> I'm trying to forget that scene with two people stabbing at either end of a keyboard
[15:43] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msX4oAXpvUE
[15:43] <diddledan> dwatkins: ^^ some eyebleach
[15:44] <dwatkins> I wish network security was this rock 'n roll.
[15:44] <dwatkins> More people would care about it if it were.
[15:44] <diddledan> :-p
[15:44] <diddledan> mr robot started this week
[15:45] <diddledan> very compelling story, mr robot
[15:45] <daftykins> <o/ \o>
[15:45] <diddledan> daftykins: fencing match?
[15:45] <daftykins> quick armpit check ;)
[15:45] <diddledan> lol
[15:45] <daftykins> yeah looking forward to some more o' that
[15:45] <dwatkins> Agreed, I thoroughly enjoyed Mr Robot.
[15:46] <daftykins> right time to battle some more old LGA775 kit
[15:46] <diddledan> that one made me actually laugh physically rather than just thinking “that’s amusing, I’m going to type ‘lol’."
[15:46] <daftykins> swapped that blown cap motherboard but still not getting POST
[15:46] <daftykins> :D
[15:46] <daftykins> i aim to please
[15:46] <diddledan> I’m going to tweet that!
[15:48] <diddledan> it has been twitted
[15:55] <daftykins> well this is a new one, old board with an intel core 2 duo E7400 in says it wants a BIOS update as it doesn't recognise the CPU - that's fair enough, but it won't even POST with two RAM modules in like this, only one
[15:55] <diddledan> wha?
[15:56] <diddledan> I didn’t know BIOS could tell you they were out of date
[15:56] <daftykins> lack of an entry for a given chip in the microcode tables i guess
[15:56] <daftykins> if that's even how they work... anyway this mobo has fried USB so i've got no way to update it that's worthy of my time
[15:57] <daftykins> tum te tum and fiddle-dee-dee
[15:57]  * diddledan fiddles daftykins’ dee
[15:57] <daftykins> as George Takei would say, "Eau my"
[15:58] <diddledan> he’s awesome
[15:58] <daftykins> he is quite
[15:58] <daftykins> not long ago i had my first full viewing of Star Trek TOS, good stuff
[16:02] <diddledan> bruce’s willi has a new movie on iTunes rental which is still in the cinema. called “previous cargo”. I’m looking for a youtube trailer, gimme a sec.
[16:02] <diddledan> try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeWk106Izyc
[16:02] <diddledan> a slightly longer one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWnrow_02mA
[16:03] <diddledan> obviously I misspelt precious
[16:12] <daftykins> perhaps my pokémon just come in a different shape - https://www.dropbox.com/s/k7cbom2p3s7vakr/IMG_20160715_170638.jpg?dl=0
[16:32] <daftykins> yay this one is behaving itself, how quirky
[16:33] <daftykins> isn't it odd when you bash your head against a problem for ages solving nothing, but then come back to it at a later date and it behaves? o0 very odd.
[16:45] <daftykins> funny this board, OSs randomise MAC address as they for some reason can't read the real one
[16:47] <daftykins> already on the newest BIOS so i can't try reflashing unless there'd be a way to force it :(
[16:50] <MooDoo> hello all
[16:50] <MooDoo> http://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/07/15/notice-of-security-breach-on-ubuntu-forums/ - know about this?
[16:53] <daftykins> so that's why they were down
[16:54] <MooDoo> :(
[16:55] <diddledan> MooDoo: that’s a really good response
[16:56] <diddledan> would that more companies take security breach as responsibly
[16:57] <daftykins> little concerned they weren't already up to date ;)
[16:57] <diddledan> they admitted their fault though
[16:57] <diddledan> other companies would try to avoid owning-up to that error
[16:58] <MooDoo> doesn't concern me to be honest, they know what they are doing i'm confident on their actions
[17:00] <Laney> urgh
[17:00] <Laney> I would hate to be running a large webapp like that
[17:01] <daftykins> could be a fun challenge! although i got quite frustrating dealing with that guys web server that kept getting hammered for possible wordpress exploits
[17:01] <daftykins> tonnes of POSTs to the xmlrpc function
[17:53] <daftykins> i reckon i'd like to learn to solder!
[17:53] <daftykins> it's just too useful a skill
[17:54] <diddledan> I got an iron for xmas!
[17:55] <diddledan> https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/69461762.jpg
[17:56] <diddledan> which means that my server now falls into this category: https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/69461865.jpg
[17:58] <daftykins> =]
[18:34] <diddledan> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/alpha-vs-pro-judgement-day/
[18:44] <daftykins> ;)
[18:44] <daftykins> hrmm ok all rebuilt, expletive expressed when i made the schoolboy error of letting two IO backplate grounding legs sit inside the onboard LAN socket instead of on top, board released again and rectified ;)
[18:44] <zmoylan-pi> of course by the time the military complex has an offical release it'll cost a smidge more than a rasp pi
[18:44] <daftykins> back to only POSTing with one module! very odd
[18:45] <diddledan> zmoylan-pi: about 50mill per unit without factoring-in the cost of the plane
[18:45] <zmoylan-pi> 100m if you want it in f35
[18:47] <diddledan> daftykins: I remember building a system and thinking the thing was completely DOA. turns-out BIOSes don’t like to work when their “clear cmos” button on the back is pushed-in by a misaligned IO-plate.
[18:47] <diddledan> took me DAYS to work that out
[18:47] <zmoylan-pi> or rivet under motherboard making contact with metal case and soldering join. we have no idea how that made it in there...
[18:48] <daftykins> diddledan: doh!
[18:48] <daftykins> hexy had a similar one where the reset FPIO header was permanently engaged
[20:57] <diddledan> wtf? turkey is having a coup
[20:57] <diddledan> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-36811357
[20:58] <zmoylan-pi> if eragon was still in power twitter would have been first thing to be shut down...
[21:02] <zmoylan-pi> ah ha. facebook, youtube AND twitter blocked in turkey...
[21:02] <diddledan> really?
[21:02] <MartijnVdS> zmoylan-pi: mixed reports of that
[21:03] <MartijnVdS> some say it's only a DNS block and 8.8.8.8 (Google DNS) works
[21:03] <zmoylan-pi> these counties blocking internet often do it in way that takes average teenager 2-3 minutes to bypass... just can't get the dictators these days...
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> dnssec will make those dictators so angry :)
[21:06] <MartijnVdS> can't change/block DNS info then
[21:06] <zmoylan-pi> link to twitter account that lists turkeys blocking...  https://twitter.com/TurkeyBlocks/status/754043966547431424
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> I'm following this:
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> https://www.reddit.com/live/x9gf3donjlkq
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> it says:
[21:07] <MartijnVdS> ALL social networks and allegedly blocked sites are ACCESSIBLE through the Google DNS servers (8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4). Look online to check how to change your DNS servers. You do not need a VPN yet! /u/trumpete
[21:09] <diddledan> how long until the BGP routes are removed?
[21:30] <daftykins> yay for installing ubuntu on a 40GB old intel value SSD in this core 2 duo, with its' working 8GB RAM :)
[21:33] <zmoylan-pi> you'll just have to slum it on that hardware...
[21:38] <daftykins> not me that has to use it :D
[21:40] <zmoylan-pi> i don't think i could use a main system with less than 100gb these days...
[21:40] <zmoylan-pi> even on phones i find 32gb a little small
[21:41] <brmbrmcar> I have on;y 3.6GB on this full computer...
[21:42] <daftykins> then you must not do much with it :)
[21:42] <zmoylan-pi> i do have a rasp pi running on a 4gb card... but i use it as a supplement to my main system
[21:42] <zmoylan-pi> i think it has 1gb atm
[21:44] <zmoylan-pi> *1gb free atm
[21:45] <daftykins> i'd quite like to pick up one to run as a network music / internet radio streamer, someone has made a project of making one work as a Logitech Squeezebox :)
[21:45] <daftykins> if i put it in my lounge, i could have it and my bedroom real squeezebox play in sync
[21:45] <ali1234> i'm building a upnp media player that displays rss feeds
[21:46] <ali1234> like, right now
[21:46] <daftykins> nice :)
[21:46] <daftykins> do you have a target device in mind?
[21:46] <ali1234> yes, raspberry pi
[21:46] <daftykins> *gasp*
[21:46] <daftykins> that would be very interesting
[21:47] <ali1234> it's just a simple QML app
[21:47] <daftykins> even more so if it could speak samba, but that'd probably sound horrible to others
[21:47] <ali1234> the media playing is done with gmediarenderer
[21:47] <ali1234> you control it with a upnp client on your phone
[21:48] <ali1234> just stick a upnp media server on your nas and you don't need samba
[21:48] <daftykins> yeah i wouldn't want to do that, my Kodi device(s) already just browse via SMB
[21:48] <ali1234> this device is intended to be non-interactive
[21:48] <daftykins> and i don't like automagic protocols
[21:48] <ali1234> it's going to be installed behind a mirror in a bathroom cabinet
[21:49] <zmoylan-pi> what about moisture?
[21:49] <daftykins> mmm the Squeezebox thing i mention would speak to the existing Logitech Media Server which essentially is a device specific UPnP server i think, controlled by my phone app
[21:49] <ali1234> zmoylan-pi: that's what boxes are for
[21:50] <ali1234> anyway... i'm quite pleased with the QML stuff so far
[21:50] <zmoylan-pi> just that living in ireland i've seen weather proof cameras die from water... :-)
[21:50] <ali1234> i need to implement a thing to just display what song is playing on the local renderer
[21:51] <ali1234> it's going in a bathroom not outside :)
[21:51] <ali1234> moisture probably won't be a problem since it will heat up it's enclosure
[21:51] <ali1234> so no condensation
[21:51] <zmoylan-pi> warm steam can make waterproof hardward a bit more of a challenge
[21:51] <ali1234> it's a pi 3 so it can get nice and toasty
[21:51] <zmoylan-pi> fingers crossed it works.
[21:52] <ali1234> the player in there now has worked fine for years
[21:52] <ali1234> like 7 years
[21:52] <ali1234> and the new one is going in the same type of box
[21:52] <ali1234> so i' sure it will be fine
[21:52] <ali1234> anyway it isn't my problem if it breaks
[21:52] <ali1234> i'm just building it to spec
[21:53] <zmoylan-pi> i have an ancient 30yo sony fm radio walkman in bathroom.  and it works.  but screws on it are rusted to buggery.  i'd hate to try a more delicate arm processor
[21:53] <ali1234> what makes you think processors are delicate?
[21:53] <ali1234> the die is sealed in epoxy
[21:53] <ali1234> it's not going to be the CPU that breaks due to moisture
[21:53] <ali1234> it's going to be the circuit boards
[21:54] <ali1234> and those are mostly coated
[21:54] <ali1234> so then the next thing will be the solder joints
[21:55] <daftykins> could you just coat a board in super glue to help out even more?
[21:55] <ali1234> sure
[21:55] <daftykins> other than heat sensitive parts, perhaps
[21:55] <ali1234> not super glue, you can get special coatings for that
[21:55] <ali1234> or you can just pot the entire board
[21:55] <zmoylan-pi> i've seen cpm computers handle horrible conditions, i've seen xts, 286s, 386s and 486s handle horrible conditions, but a lot of the hardware since then is much more delicate.
[21:55] <ali1234> ie put it in a plastic box and then fill the box with epoxy
[21:57] <ali1234> but much easier to just get a waterproof box and seal the connectors
[21:57] <ali1234> that way you can take it out again if you need to
[21:58] <daftykins> zmoylan-pi: it's a real shame that, but given the speeds components are operating at i'm not entirely surprised
[21:58] <zmoylan-pi> my brother used to run a drain clearing business.  he had a little robot camera that was sent into drain to isolate problems.  some were tanks designed to resist all manners of damage from liquids.  but his best one was a german one that used an air bladder to over pressurise insides to force contaminants out
[21:58] <ali1234> i don't think modern stuff is more delicate to be honest. certainly not when it comes to static electricity
[21:59] <ali1234> static isn't really a problem any more for chips on boards
[21:59] <ali1234> surface mount components are smaller, lighter, so less likely to die from physical force/vibration etc
[22:00] <zmoylan-pi> i do remember when we were looking at the russian dos they use on satellites that they only ran it on 486s as anything better than that would be fritzed by solar radiation
[22:00] <ali1234> solar radiation is a whole other thing
[22:00] <ali1234> they used a special hardened 486 chip for that
[22:00] <ali1234> it's not like the regular one just happened to be treally tough
[22:01] <zmoylan-pi> the passive cooling of pentiums 1-2's we had in pos systems worked ok ish but once fan cooling came in for pentium iiis they didn't last long in point of sales in ordinary cases
[22:01] <ali1234> yep, fans die
[22:01] <ali1234> they get full of dirt and then they stop and then the computer dies
[22:02] <ali1234> luckily raspberry pi doesn't need one
[22:02] <ali1234> another modern thing is electrolytic caps are no used much less
[22:02] <ali1234> those wear out, ceramic caps don't
[22:03] <ali1234> and they can make ceramic caps big enough now that they don't need to use electrolytics so much
[22:18] <daftykins> just as i found out the other day :)
[22:18] <daftykins> (my understanding is those battery looking ones are the electrolytic type)
[22:19] <zmoylan-pi> my understanding is that the battery looking caps are now often cheap chinese variants that are terrible
[22:26] <daftykins> ali1234: you know my bad caps pic? do you think those failures could have damaged the graphics card?
[22:26] <daftykins> since they were right beside the PEG slot
[22:29] <daftykins> nevermind! it was me being an idiot, i moved the PC and the monitor cable had come out :P
[22:31] <daftykins> glad :)
[22:35] <ali1234> daftykins: it is possible but unlikely
[22:35] <ali1234> when caps blow they can leak. it can spray out all over
[22:35] <ali1234> those don't look like they did that though
[22:36] <daftykins> nah, quite clean
[22:37] <daftykins> it's all good, just jumped to conclusions instead of applying occam's razor
[22:40] <m0nkey_> :/
[22:40] <m0nkey_> storm rolling in here
[22:40] <m0nkey_> power has gone out twice
[22:40] <m0nkey_> yay for UPSs
[22:45] <daftykins> :)
[22:45] <daftykins> agreed