[13:15] <shakes808> Good Friday morning all!
[13:33] <cmaloney> morning
[13:34] <rick_h_> morning
[14:26] <shakes808> thoughts about Windows OS as a service to corporations?
[14:29] <jrwren> you mean like windows on EC2?
[14:30] <jrwren> my thoughts on that phrase are: windows does a lot of things. focus on something smaller.
[14:30] <shakes808> Read today that they are going to charge corporations a monthly charge on top of licensing per user per month
[14:30] <jrwren> hahhaha seriously?
[14:31] <jrwren> that is great for alternatives.
[14:31] <shakes808> yeah.  might push people over to linux / mac if they decide to bring that model to consumers
[14:31] <shakes808> exactly!
[14:31] <jrwren> I don't think they will bring it to consumers, but it will push corporations off windows too.
[14:32] <_stink_> link?
[14:32] <shakes808> http://tinyurl.com/joz93bv
[14:32] <shakes808> was getting it :)
[14:32] <_stink_> :)
[14:33] <jrwren> forbes.
[14:33] <jrwren> its probably lies.
[14:33] <jrwren> do you have a link that isn't forbes?
[14:33] <shakes808> HAHA.
[14:33] <shakes808> Will see if anyone is reporting on this
[14:34] <shakes808> http://tinyurl.com/jx76qvq
[14:34] <shakes808> haven't read this one, but came up in the search.
[14:34] <shakes808> more reputable?
[14:35] <jrwren> barely, but its not forbes, so I'll read it.
[14:36] <_stink_> haha
[14:36] <jrwren> “For the price of a cup of coffee and a donut per day,"   remember he lives in Redmond, so this is $30
[14:37] <shakes808> haha
[14:37] <jrwren> surface tablets as a services... leasing them. I'm surprised MSFT didn't have a corporate lease program previously.
[14:38] <jrwren> I still don't understand this article. Was windows 10 not covered under previous volume license agreements?
[14:38] <jrwren> or is it that they aren't licensing it to businesses outside of a volume license agreement?
[14:38] <jrwren> its all so confusing, its another reason I prefer open source.
[14:43] <cmaloney> I haven't seen any other articles other than the Forbes article
[14:43] <cmaloney> so taking it with salt
[14:43] <cmaloney> on a slug
[14:43] <cmaloney> a forbes-shaped slug
[14:44] <cmaloney> As soon as it hits Ars I'll take it seriosly
[14:44] <cmaloney> (Forbes is in the same bucket as The Register: needs more proof, preferably from someone not at Forbes /The Register)
[14:45] <jrwren> yup
[14:45] <jrwren> forbes is terrible.
[14:47] <shakes808> gotcha.  I guess it is something to watch for
[14:47] <cmaloney> no worries
[14:49] <cmaloney> I can believe MS is looking for more revenue streams
[14:49] <cmaloney> and they've intimated subscription-based pricing with things liek Office
[14:49] <cmaloney> probably because some offices want a more consistent month-to-month spread to budget
[14:49] <cmaloney> So it makes sense
[14:50] <cmaloney> but my theory is if it's true it'll get picked up to the point where you can't help but hear about it
[17:52] <jcastro> I think a more saas approach is the way to go
[17:53] <jcastro> if you have to pay X a month for windows then you don't have to be like "we want to stay on windows XP for ever."
[17:53] <cmaloney> I'm not sure I follow that logic
[17:54] <jcastro> if windows is a service then you get rid of version numbers entirely
[17:54] <cmaloney> wI guess
[17:54] <jcastro> so instead of a company paying you once a year they just split that to monthly payments
[17:54] <cmaloney> So basically you're paying for terminal service
[17:54] <cmaloney> instead of a PC on your desk
[17:55] <jcastro> right
[17:55] <jcastro> the world is moving saas, the desktop is just the last holdout
[17:55] <cmaloney> I think that's a horrible idea
[17:55] <cmaloney> but what do I know.
[17:55] <jcastro> I'm not saying it's either good or bad
[17:55] <jcastro> it's just how everything is going
[17:55] <cmaloney> Yeah, getting sucked back into the mainframe
[17:56] <jcastro> like, why would I buy quicken for a desktop when I can just subscribe to quicken?
[17:56] <cmaloney> "sorry, PC revolution, we didn't really like you anyway"
[17:57] <jcastro> nothing is immune to cost
[17:57] <jcastro> If someone can sell you a service for a fraction of the cost then people will buy it
[17:58] <cmaloney> It's all about control
[17:58] <jcastro> right, and given enough savings, people will give that up in a heartbeat
[17:58] <cmaloney> we're seeing the pendulum swing back to software being controlled so there's no piracy
[17:59] <jcastro> it's like, sure, I'd like for my company's email server to be controlled in house, but is my local sysadmin going to even come close to what I can get with gmail or outlook for even close to that price?
[18:00] <cmaloney> I find that line of thinking depressing
[18:06] <jrwren> it IS depressing.
[18:21] <jcastro> nah, it's just economics
[18:23] <cmaloney> I tihnk it's just opportunity
[18:23] <cmaloney> since folks are going to get sick of subscriptions
[18:23] <cmaloney> or they're going to re-evaluate if they need said products
[18:24] <cmaloney> cuts both ways
[18:24] <cmaloney> like the reminder for my Linux Journal subscription
[18:25] <cmaloney> a reminder "do I need that anymore"?
[18:25] <cmaloney> and then I pay it because I'd like to see the $$ for the article on the Squeezebox that I wrote for them.
[18:27] <jrwren> ha!
[18:27] <jrwren> there is terrible.
[18:29] <cmaloney> I got a SB Touch for review just before Logitech closed the line down so I'm content
[18:52] <jcastro> I had forgotten about squeezeboxes!
[18:53] <greg-g> I still use mine :)
[18:56] <jcastro> I am doing a lot of YouTube Music lately
[18:56] <jcastro> it's like what MTV used to be
[18:56] <greg-g> heh
[18:56] <jcastro> except with recommendations, etc.
[18:56] <greg-g> is that a service or do you just mean "watching music videos on youtube"?
[18:57] <jcastro> yeah but it filters out non music
[18:57]  * greg-g nods
[18:57] <jcastro> so if you do "metallica" on normal youtube it will also put in other non-music
[18:57] <jcastro> in youtube music you only get either the music and/or the videos
[19:02] <jcastro> so it's easier to put on and just let it do it's mix
[19:02] <greg-g> I'm still listening to somafm stations for work music :)
[19:04] <jcastro> wow
[19:04] <jcastro> https://www.shoutcast.com/
[19:04] <jcastro> I forgot that was still around!
[19:14] <greg-g> lol, as their main page loads, it says "0 radio stations using our technology", then it finally flips to 72,846
[19:14] <greg-g> not really that important of a stat to regen each time and show 0 until it does, dudes
[19:15] <jcastro> hah yeah
[19:17] <greg-g> lol, second most popular station on their list: Alex Jones - Infowars.com Alternate/Relay
[19:57] <cmaloney> I used to use my Squeezebox for Smart Mixes
[19:57] <cmaloney> now I just put the whole collection on random-album
[19:58] <cmaloney> Will never forgive Spotify for killing The Echo Nest
[20:01] <cmaloney> I already have a music-buying problem. I don't need to know about more music out there. :)