[04:16] <Unit193> flocculant: You tried Yuk in Vbox lately?
[06:02] <flocculant> Unit193: I don't use vbox anymore - got fed up with it 
[06:14] <Unit193> Heh.
[09:18] <bluesabre> flocculant: so, what are you using these days?
[11:09] <flocculant> kvm stuffs
[11:09] <flocculant> bluesabre: ^^
[11:11] <flocculant> kvm from commandline and the virtual manager thingy as well
[11:34] <flocculant> bluesabre: basically got fed up with vbox and images never playing nicely together
[11:35] <flocculant> so gave up 
[11:35] <flocculant> bbl
[18:48] <Unit193> flocculant: FWIW, -core crapped out when first loading the interface, restarting lightdm fixes it.
[18:49] <flocculant> Unit193: okey doke
[18:51] <Unit193> Ah, good news.  Xubuntu proper is broken too. :P
[18:51] <flocculant> not looked today
[18:51] <Unit193> vbox issue I'm sure.
[18:51] <flocculant> oh right 
[18:52] <flocculant> 2 ticks and I'll see :)
[18:54] <flocculant> Unit193: so install from the debian menu thing hangs 
[18:55] <flocculant> installing now
[18:57] <Unit193> flocculant: https://sigma.unit193.net/~unit193/8bitxubuntu.png this isn't supposed to look like that!
[18:57] <flocculant> had that before on vbox
[18:58] <Unit193> Guess it just wants to play donky kong..
[18:58] <flocculant> lol
[18:58] <Unit193> Anyway, my point being that Core isn't broken, ENOTMYFAULT. \o/
[18:58] <flocculant> Unit193: so is that after reboot? 
[18:59] <Unit193> flocculant: I doubt it, vbox yuk VM is fine and just restarting lightdm does fix it.
[18:59] <flocculant> ...
[18:59] <flocculant> reboot after installing? 
[18:59] <flocculant> and you talking about 16.04 or 16.10? 
[19:00] <Unit193> 16.10, yuk.
[19:00] <flocculant> k
[19:00] <Unit193> (I have no interest in 16.04, at least won't be poking you about it.)
[19:00] <flocculant> :)
[19:04] <flocculant> Unit193: you can put that down to vbox probably - not seeing that here
[19:05] <Unit193> Installing now from the desktop, I presume it'll work fine.
[19:05] <flocculant> I'd guess so
[19:35] <Unit193> The heck?!
[19:36] <Unit193> That is, Debian #831421.
[19:37] <Unit193> flocculant: And yeah, no issues as expected.
[19:38] <knome> Unit193, what we probably should do is to reply to the bug saying we're actually working to strip any xubuntu-specific stuff out of the themes, and that debian should rather package the package(s) that is the outcome of that work
[19:38] <knome> (and that help is welcome)
[19:38] <knome> Unit193, any chance you could pass on the message?
[19:39] <Unit193> Would there actually be a proper upstream from this with tags and everything?
[19:39] <knome> that's a good question.
[19:39] <knome> shimmer project could act as one, as the icon theme essentially is put up by us
[19:40] <knome> if the packaging people of shimmer project (read: Unit193, bluesabre) would be willing to take the extra load.
[19:40] <knome> i believe at least bluesabre has been discussing this before
[19:41] <knome> ^ all this is also some help for xubuntu derivatives, as when it's done, the list of packages they need to remove/change is even shorter
[19:41] <Unit193> I split out the elementary stuff as part of a personal project and pinged the two other shimmer people, it was put off until this cycle.
[19:41] <knome> yeah, i know it's been postponed
[19:41] <Unit193> And more than just Xubuntu.
[19:41] <knome> but yes, i agree with that direction; there is no reason to force xubuntu-related stuff in this icon theme
[19:42] <Unit193> Aha, it's still in /source/
[19:43] <knome> mhm
[19:45] <Unit193> Still need to get him to review it though.
[19:45] <knome> yes, sure, it'll be some work until it's okay, but re: that bug, they just shouldn't do that.
[19:45] <knome> the other question is our wallpapers
[19:46] <Unit193> That's in src:shimmer-themes, IIRC.
[19:46] <knome> if somebody wants to use them outside ubuntu, and wants to have a package, i'm kind of open for that too.
[19:46] <knome> might be
[19:46] <knome> if so, then no worries.
[19:46] <knome> well,
[19:46] <knome> just src
[19:46]  * knome shrugs
[19:47] <Unit193> The themes are "maintained" in Debian already, all except Numix but that's getting packaged properly by itself.
[19:47] <knome> yap
[19:47] <knome> and isn't numix kind of floating away from shimmer-maintainment anyway?
[19:47] <Unit193> As far as upstream, long ago.  As far as in Ubuntu?  Yes.
[19:47] <knome> :)
[19:48] <Unit193> Debian #827792
[19:48] <Unit193> !info numix-icon-theme unstable