[01:15] <abrammichael> hi
[02:12] <nomic> hi
[04:54] <fifty-sevenC> hi
[05:08] <randall> yo
[05:14] <fifty-sevenC> yooooooo
[05:59] <Guest48448> hi all
[06:00] <Guest48448> I just installed Ubuntu mate and I have some problem with Ubuntu Software Center, do you have any suggestion?
[06:02] <fifty-sevenC> Suggestion for what?
[06:02] <SuperEngineer> Guest48448: please state *what* the problem is :-)  [and are you aware that the UbuntuMate "welcome" has a software selection?]
[06:18] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... a real community spirit shown there - a person who gives but wants nothing in return.  [in this case, someone who gives a question, doesn't want an answer in return for their giving] :-D
[06:23] <randall> funny how people do that, ask vague question, then leave when they dpn't get an instant answer
[06:23] <SuperEngineer> ;-)
[07:24] <guixing> yeah!!
[11:36] <geonu> hi
[11:37] <ouroumov> hi geonu
[11:39] <Nosophorus> hello, guys
[11:39] <ouroumov> Sup Nosophorus
[12:08] <mase-tech> hihi I love ubuntu mate
[12:08] <mase-tech> really nice look
[12:08] <mase-tech> and other features are also very good
[12:16] <mate|41645> I have some trouble to download ubuntu mate for the raspi. The link seems to be broken. Is there an alternative link?
[12:31] <mate|32854> Hello guys
[12:31] <mate|32854> a question
[12:32] <mate|32854> can i make a NAS on ubuntu mate
[12:32] <mate|32854> using Dlink DL320
[12:32] <mate|32854> ?
[12:33] <mate|32854> for an example. can i install utorrent on ubuntu mate
[12:34] <mate|32854> i leave the question for response, thanks
[12:34] <SCHAAP137> i don't see why not
[12:35] <SCHAAP137> if the machine is capable of running ubuntu mate, it's capable of functioning as a NAS
[12:35] <SCHAAP137> (provided it has a network adapter)
[12:36] <mate|41645> No idea about the broken link? Anyone?
[12:36] <mate|32854> thanks. i forgot one detail, the ideia is use the  Raspberry 3...
[12:39] <mate|32854> i leave the question, see you guys back later
[13:32] <peewii> #c
[13:34] <SuperEngineer> #u
[15:36] <julio> boa tarde
[18:22] <veter900> 123456
[18:25] <SuperEngineer> [phew... no count down]
[18:28] <veter900> halov
[18:42] <agpirie> Hello. I had sophos antivirus for linux on my Ubuntu mate partition and it was blocking the grub update thing, now grub is gone and the computer boots straight into windows now. How do I fix this?
[18:46] <Akuli> agpirie, please don't use antiviruses on linux
[18:46] <Akuli> but lets fix this
[18:46] <Akuli> agpirie, do you have the installation cd?
[18:46] <Akuli> or dvd or usb stick or whatever
[18:47] <agpirie> Yes
[18:47] <Akuli> boot from it
[18:47] <Akuli> use the 'try ubuntu' thing
[18:48] <agpirie> Ermm
[18:48] <agpirie> I'm using the computer right now to message you.
[18:48] <agpirie> Hang on lemme get on here with my phone
[18:48] <Akuli> with the usb stick?
[18:48] <agpirie> No, on Windows
[18:48] <Akuli> well
[18:48] <Akuli> you can get here from the stick
[18:48] <agpirie> Yeha
[18:48] <Akuli> there's hexchat in the menu, just open it and join
[18:48] <Akuli> irc is not really a mobile phone thing :) you just can't write  fast enough
[18:49] <agpirie> Lemme reflash the image to the usb drive a sec, i formatted it for my files
[18:50] <Akuli> is someone else here using an antivirus on linux? please remove it before you're locked out of your system!!
[18:50] <agpirie> very good advice ^^^
[18:50] <agpirie> i recently found out linux doesnt need antivirus after i updated grub...
[18:50] <Akuli> :)
[18:51] <nomic> viruses are a factor of windows
[18:51] <Akuli> do you know why it doesn't need it?
[18:51] <nomic> IMO the anti-virus writers produce them, constantly
[18:51] <agpirie> Because there isn't much virus for linux out there..?
[18:51] <Akuli> yes, but why aren't people just writing them?
[18:51] <Akuli> they're hard to write because everything requires a password
[18:51] <agpirie> Yeha
[18:52] <Edve> Akuli, you could be suprised
[18:52] <Akuli> to keep it that way, never enter your password if you don't need to :)
[18:52] <Akuli> Edve, i'm speaking of things that destroy the system
[18:52] <Akuli> not stuff in your home folder, its easy to get rid of
[18:52] <Akuli> if you ever get any just remove all hidden setting files and you're done
[18:53] <Edve> no i know , just with the right coding into an java applet loaded by a browser
[18:53] <Akuli> how would it gain root access?
[18:53] <Akuli> just doesn't make any sense
[18:53] <agpirie> http://i.imgur.com/2V5WcE7.png around 5 mins left.... ;c
[18:53] <Edve>  java is full of exploit like that
[18:54] <Edve> yes it has some limitation avout the JVM that is running but it can interact outside of the box
[18:54] <Akuli> nice, irc is a built-in thing on the website
[18:54] <agpirie> Edve, I would normally add .js to the ublock list...
[18:54] <agpirie> On firefox that is...
[18:54] <Akuli> ublock runs on chrome-based browsers too
[18:55] <agpirie> Yeah
[18:55] <agpirie> I'm on chrome rn
[18:55] <Akuli> hehe :)
[18:55] <agpirie> I wonder why there isn't many videos on youtube of stuff like "scammer v linux"
[18:56] <Akuli> there's videos about people telling about how you need an antivirus and bla bla bla, but you already have one
[18:56] <Akuli> your common sense
[18:56] <agpirie> xd
[18:56] <Edve> because people using linux are Leet , they dont want to let you know that they had a virus . That is a common fact
[18:57] <Akuli> even a lot of windows users, especially security professionals use nothing but their common sense
[18:57] <agpirie> I'm thinking of something right now. Since Ubuntu phone and kubuntu phone is a thing... then what would Ubuntu MATE phone be like(if in development)?
[18:57] <Akuli> viruses don't appear by theirselves, 99% of the time they come from the web browser
[18:57] <Akuli> agpirie, mate isn't that nice for phones
[18:58] <Akuli> the panels are a bit too narrow by default
[18:58] <SuperEngineer> click click click virus
[18:59] <Akuli> agpirie, is the usb stick done?
[18:59] <agpirie> Almost, it's verifying
[18:59] <SuperEngineer> that's how it's done... we wise peeps check what we click before we click... we're called Linux peeps
[18:59] <agpirie> Validating*
[18:59] <agpirie> http://i.imgur.com/hKP3xlJ.png
[19:01] <agpirie> Okay, gonna boot into the usb now
[19:05] <Akuli> hi agpirie
[19:05] <agpirie> Akuli I'm on Ubuntu mate right now.
[19:05] <agpirie> Now what?
[19:05] <Akuli> open a terminal, run this:  lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:05] <Akuli> that'll list your hard drives, and upload the list to termbin.com and give you a link to it
[19:05] <agpirie> NAME    MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT
[19:05] <agpirie> sda       8:0    0 465.8G  0 disk
[19:05] <agpirie> ├─sda1    8:1    0     1G  0 part
[19:05] <agpirie> ├─sda2    8:2    0   100M  0 part
[19:05] <agpirie> ├─sda3    8:3    0   128M  0 part
[19:06] <agpirie> ├─sda4    8:4    0 298.9G  0 part
[19:06] <agpirie> ├─sda5    8:5    0  47.7G  0 part
[19:06] <agpirie> ├─sda6    8:6    0  47.7G  0 part
[19:06] <agpirie> ├─sda7    8:7    0   3.8G  0 part [SWAP]
[19:06] <agpirie> ├─sda8    8:8    0    95M  0 part
[19:06] <agpirie> ├─sda9    8:9    0   804M  0 part
[19:06] <agpirie> ├─sda10   8:10   0  10.1G  0 part
[19:06] <agpirie> └─sda11   8:11   0  47.7G  0 part
[19:06] <agpirie> sdb       8:16   1   7.2G  0 disk /cdrom
[19:06] <agpirie> ├─sdb1    8:17   1   1.5G  0 part
[19:06] <agpirie> └─sdb2    8:18   1   2.3M  0 part
[19:06] <Akuli> agpirie, copy-paste it next time :)
[19:06] <agpirie> loop0     7:0    0   1.5G  1 loop /rofs
[19:06] <agpirie> http://termbin.com/s3i1
[19:06] <Akuli> i mean, copy-paste the command
[19:06] <agpirie> I used ctrl+c and ctrl+v
[19:07] <agpirie> It's what I'm used to
[19:07] <Akuli> don't paste that much here
[19:07] <Akuli> :)
[19:07] <agpirie> Okay
[19:07] <Akuli> 3 lines is a good maximum
[19:07] <Akuli> anyway
[19:07] <Akuli> do you know which of the drives is your ubuntu partition?
[19:07] <agpirie> I have 3 Linux partitions
[19:08] <Akuli> which one is grub on?
[19:08] <Akuli> i mean, which one has the antivirus crap?
[19:08] <agpirie> I removed the antivirus
[19:08] <agpirie> But grub doesnt work on it
[19:08] <Akuli> which one had it?
[19:08] <agpirie> I don't know which partition
[19:08] <Akuli> ok
[19:09] <agpirie> It's one of the 47.7G ones
[19:09] <Akuli> open 'Computer' in the places menu
[19:09] <agpirie> I found it by mounting it and finding it in gnome-disks
[19:10] <agpirie> It's /dev/sda11
[19:10] <Akuli> is it mounted now? where?
[19:10] <agpirie> That's where
[19:10] <Akuli> ok
[19:10] <agpirie> I can't paste it lol
[19:10] <Akuli> no problem :)
[19:10] <agpirie> Because it starts with a slash
[19:10] <agpirie>  /media/ubuntu-mate/8e93a68c-dc60-49f7-b7f3-7c420641b298
[19:10] <agpirie> There
[19:10] <Akuli> ok
[19:10] <Akuli> run these:
[19:10] <Akuli> umount /dev/sda11
[19:11] <Akuli> sudo mount /dev/sda11 /mnt
[19:11] <Akuli> sudo chroot /mnt /bin/bash
[19:11] <agpirie> Done
[19:11] <Akuli> now you're on your computer, but using the live cd's kernel
[19:11] <Akuli> if you now run update-grub, what does that do?
[19:12] <agpirie> sudo chroot /mnt /bin/bas
[19:12] <agpirie> wait
[19:12] <Akuli> bash, not bas
[19:12] <agpirie>  /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).
[19:12] <Akuli> exit out of the chroot
[19:12] <Akuli> just type exit
[19:12] <agpirie> Yeah..
[19:12] <Akuli> then we'll mount /dev:   sudo mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev
[19:12] <Akuli> i wonder what else we need to mount
[19:13] <Akuli> when thats done, try the chroot again
[19:13] <agpirie> maybe /mnt/sys?
[19:13] <Akuli> could be
[19:13] <Akuli> sudo mount --bind /sys /mnt/sys
[19:14] <Akuli> they work just like that,  you can mount others yourself too if you get error messages
[19:15] <agpirie> attempting to open chroot is slow now..
[19:15] <Akuli> hmm
[19:15] <Akuli> chroot should start really fast
[19:15] <agpirie> It normally does..
[19:15] <Akuli> you can interrupt it with Ctrl+C
[19:15] <agpirie> Yeah
[19:15] <agpirie> I know most keyboard shortcuts
[19:16] <Akuli> do you know how to copy-paste with the terminal without mouse?
[19:16] <agpirie> But running chroot again does the same thing
[19:16] <agpirie> Yeah
[19:16] <Akuli> or how to move around without arrow keys>
[19:16] <agpirie> CTRL+SHIFT+C CTRL+SHIFT+V
[19:16] <Akuli> there's another way
[19:16] <agpirie> those are the main ones I use
[19:16] <Akuli> you still need to highlight the text with your mouse
[19:16] <Akuli> Ctrl+K and Ctrl+Y
[19:16] <Akuli> cut/paste
[19:19] <agpirie> Gonna restart. Because now the terminal is just playing up
[19:24] <agpirie> Okay
[19:25] <Akuli> so
[19:25] <agpirie> I don't know what to do...
[19:25] <agpirie> About the whole grub thing
[19:25] <Akuli> follow this tutorial http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd
[19:26] <Akuli> with sda11 as sdXY
[19:26] <agpirie> Okay, thanks
[19:26] <Akuli> :)
[19:26] <Akuli> ask me if you have any problems
[19:26] <Akuli> i forgot that updating grub from chroot is such a problem
[19:30] <agpirie> Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
[19:30] <agpirie> grub-install: error: cannot find EFI directory.
[19:30] <agpirie> That's what happens when running grub-install /dev/sda
[19:31] <Akuli> maybe you've mounted the wrong partition?
[19:31] <agpirie> No..
[19:31] <agpirie> I mounted /dev/sda11
[19:31] <Akuli> hmm
[19:34] <agpirie> Wait, I had to force shut down Windows. Maybe that's why it isn't working...
[19:34] <Akuli> which windows?
[19:34] <agpirie> I'll restart, boot into windows, restart PROPERLY, then boot back into usb
[19:34] <agpirie> windows 10: crap edition
[19:34] <Akuli> you want to disable its fast boot
[19:34] <agpirie> I already did..
[19:34] <agpirie> Well. Cya on the other sideeeeeeee
[19:43] <agpirie> Okay
[19:43] <agpirie> Now what was that reinstall grub 2 link again?
[19:47] <Akuli> http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd
[19:47] <Akuli> first result on google, but i read it
[19:47] <agpirie> I already found it, and grub-install /dev/sda didnt work
[19:47] <agpirie> but grub-update did
[19:47] <agpirie> except a little error
[19:47] <agpirie> grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdb1.  Check your device.map.
[19:47] <Akuli> little error :)
[19:48] <Akuli> why is it /dev/sdb1?
[19:48] <agpirie> That's my usb stick...
[19:48] <agpirie> sdb1
[19:48] <Akuli> what did the grub-install one say?
[19:48] <agpirie> root@ubuntu-mate:/# grub-install /dev/sda
[19:48] <agpirie> Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
[19:48] <agpirie> grub-install: error: cannot find EFI directory.
[19:48] <Akuli> hmm
[19:51] <agpirie> Gonna  restart computer to see if the grub-update thing did the trick
[20:00] <agpirie> Akuli, I just realized that in the welcome app there is "Boot-Repair"
[20:03] <agpirie> An error occurred during the repair.
[20:03] <agpirie> Please write on a paper the following URL:
[20:03] <agpirie> http://paste2.org/IAmUmmeb
[20:10] <agpirie> Another one...
[20:10] <agpirie> An error occurred during the repair.
[20:10] <agpirie> Please write on a paper the following URL:
[20:10] <agpirie> http://paste2.org/fKbUGs0P
[20:10] <agpirie> Gonna reboot and see if it worked anyway
[20:24] <Akuli> agpirie, i'd recommend going to #ubuntu
[20:24] <Akuli> there's more skilled people than here, and your issue is not ubuntu mate specific so they should be ready to help you there
[20:24] <agpirie> ok
[20:28] <agpirie> There is literally nobody there who is responding to me and lots of people are active right now..
[20:28] <Akuli> let me come there
[20:38] <scotty__> hey all... how do i check if my system is 32 or 64 bit in terminal??
[20:38] <scotty__> total linux noob XD
[20:40] <bekks> scotty__: check uname -a first
[20:41] <scotty__> armv7l GNU/Linux
[20:48] <agpirie> bekks, why is the output:
[20:48] <agpirie> ubuntu-mate@ubuntu-mate:~$ sudo mount /boot/efi
[20:48] <agpirie> mount: can't find /boot/efi in /etc/fstab
[20:48] <agpirie> cannot find it
[20:48] <bekks> Why are you changing support channels?
[20:49] <agpirie> I don't know...
[20:50] <agpirie> My keyboard is covered in my little brothers crisps...
[20:50] <agpirie> disgusting
[20:56] <MATE-Cinnamon> Hi all
[21:54] <toru> Is it really necessary for the disk manager to chmod a folder I want a drive mounted to to 777?  I might as well just manually edit fstab.
[21:55] <ouroumov> toru, I don't get what you mean.
[21:56] <toru> It gives full read write execute permissions to the drive I want automatically mounted.
[21:57] <ouroumov> weird
[21:57] <toru> I'm sure they do it for convenience, I just think it's a bit less secure that way.
[21:58] <ouroumov> No I mean, this should not happen I think
[21:58] <bekks> toru: Security is the same.
[21:59] <ouroumov> bekks, please explain
[21:59] <bekks> It is irrelevant wether you set permissions via fstab or via chmod.
[22:00] <ouroumov> Unless I misunderstood, the problem is the permissions, not the way they're given
[22:00] <bekks> "I just think it's a bit less secure that way." - thats what toru said.
[22:00] <ouroumov> Yeah because it's freaking 777
[22:01] <ouroumov> Or did I misread him?
[22:01] <teward> that said, that sounds like a bug that needs addressed
[22:01] <teward> and you didn't.
[22:01] <toru> It's called "gnome-disks" I guess, so maybe it's the gnome project's fault.  i dunno.
[22:01] <teward> i read it as "Disk Manager chmod 777'd a folder before it was mounted by the thing, and that seems unnecessary."
[22:01] <teward> maybe file a bug on it?
[22:02] <toru> Well, thats what happened when I set it to a folder.
[22:02] <toru> it came up as 777.
[22:02] <toru> But i already had the folder before hand.
[22:02] <toru> But yea, it's not hard to just do it manually.
[22:03] <toru> just mount the drive without the disk-manager.
[22:31] <agpirie> bekks, i managed to get grub back
[23:06] <aronou25> Hi, I need some help
[23:06] <ouroumov> hi aronou25
[23:06] <ouroumov> aronou25, please describe your problem
[23:08] <aronou25> Well, I'm new in Linux, before linux, I had Windows 8, I have Intel HD Graphics Integrated, but I dont know where to download the drivers
[23:09] <aronou25> Hi ouroumov
[23:10] <ouroumov> aronou25, do you experience a graphics problem?
[23:10] <ouroumov> Intel integrated graphics are usually not a problem on Linux
[23:11] <ouroumov> There's a step in the Welcome Splash screen, section "Getting Started", about installing Drivers & Firmware packages
[23:12] <ouroumov> If you check in System -> Administration -> Software & Updates, in the "Additional Driver" tab you should be able to see if you're using the intel firmware for your processor
[23:13] <aronou25> Well, It looks like I'm already using it
[23:13] <aronou25> Thank you
[23:13] <ouroumov> yw
[23:40] <mate|43779> Hi
[23:41] <mate|43779> how can I search an app that I already have installed?
[23:47] <crege> so i have ubuntu on my raspberry pi 3 and a usb keyboard and a bluetooth mouse it is compatable but i need to somehow use the keyboard to pair and connect the mouse I need help!!!!!!
[23:48] <__user__> how can i apt-get unutu mate alpha?
[23:48] <crege> what is ubuntu mate alpha?
[23:49] <__user__> ubuntu mate alpha -> ubuntu mate 16.10
[23:50] <crege> oh just download it from their website
[23:51] <__user__> I wanted to apt-get --dist-upgrade it
[23:51] <__user__> How do I do that
[23:52] <crege> probably go to terminal in apps
[23:53] <crege> so i have ubuntu on my raspberry pi 3 and a usb keyboard and a bluetooth mouse it is compatable but i need to somehow use the keyboard to pair and connect the mouse I need help!!!!!!
[23:54] <crege> hello _user_?
[23:55] <__user__> yea
[23:55] <crege> I didn't know you where still there
[23:56] <__user__> look up how to pair bt mouse via cli
[23:56] <crege> thanks
[23:56] <__user__> Ive done it a couple times but don't remeber the commands
[23:57] <crege> I have had mine for a month and cant use it
[23:59] <crege> bye