[00:07] <daftykins> these are the planes we use a lot to get off the island, my aircraft engineer mate was showing us this Taiwan crash last night - http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03187/transasia-plane_3187308k.jpg
[00:08] <daftykins> they ignored all procedure and then turned off the wrong engine... scary stuff
[00:08] <daftykins> (one already had problems)
[00:13] <zmoylan-pi> people in a panic often do the worst thing
[00:14] <daftykins> heh yeah, but pilots are trained "if in doubt do nothing" apparently
[00:15] <zmoylan-pi> even pilots/doctors make mistakes/panic.
[00:16] <zmoylan-pi> the best you can do is drill into them good practices
[00:16] <zmoylan-pi> checklists
[00:17] <daftykins> yeah he mentioned the checklist is the #1 thing
[00:17] <daftykins> anywho, must sleep! nn o/
[00:17] <zmoylan-pi> sleep well o/
[00:43] <diddledan> turkey is still ongoing
[00:46] <diddledan> I’m gonna have to sleep soon though
[00:46] <SebthreeBQM10HD> z
[01:19] <SebthreeBQM10HD> d
[06:44] <mapps> morning all
[06:45] <SuperEngineer> o/
[06:45] <mapps> so full up, went for breakfast ater work at the sunbourn ugh
[06:46] <SuperEngineer> well, if you will have a five course breakfast, that's going to happen ;-)
[06:46] <mapps> ;]
[06:46] <mapps> got to sleep at some point (work nights)
[07:28] <knightwise> good night mapps ,
[07:57] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:06] <SuperEngineer> o/ MooDoo
[08:07] <MooDoo> :)
[08:58] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[12:19] <SuperEngineer> psst... it was Jono who hacked the forums [in alliance with some bloke called Linus, apparently].  Must be true; SuperEngineer told me it was ;-)
[13:42] <Dreamsy> Sup Worlds, is there a method of stopping (on tablet) it threatening to close my firefox/xchat sessions if my keyboard/mouse go to sleep?
[13:58] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Dreamsy, The Ubuntu tablet?
[13:59] <Dreamsy> yep the m10 fhd
[13:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Dreamsy, the Libertine stuff isn't native so
[13:59] <Dreamsy> I've not installed that (yet) firefox and xchat are native
[13:59] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Dreamsy, no probably not really or as such at the moment in answer to your quesiton
[14:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Dreamsy, no they are not, they are in the purtine demo of Libertine stuff
[14:00] <Dreamsy> ... they where installed on the tablet, unless you mean not baked in in the sense of "official support"
[14:00] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Dreamsy, hence why got to use a blue tooth keyboard for them currently to type for example, however I think the on screen keyboard fix is coming in the update next week where those will work like that then :)
[14:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Dreamsy, I mean as in the senes of not being a native program such as say the default browser, or camera program etc
[14:01] <SebthreeBQM10HD> not something properly made for Ubuntu TOUCH as part of the OS properly
[14:02] <Dreamsy> right >> darn it (yay scope crash!)
[14:02] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Dreamsy, Libertine is a interesting add on, xmir stuff,  but will become more like it's a part of the actsual OS  in the future
[14:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> for example will be able to actsually click links in xchat in the future :D I think the next OTA not next weeks.  and eventually a seperate app store will come for Libertine/xmir programs even
[14:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Dreamsy, persoanlly I find all that more exciting than their convergence idea
[14:03] <Dreamsy> Can't wait for chromium ;-;
[14:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Dreamsy, you could actsually have that already, but would have to use like a hack thing
[14:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> to do that
[14:03] <SebthreeBQM10HD> like edit the libertine container to add your addional programs etc and then put an icon on the thing yourself
[14:04] <SebthreeBQM10HD> basically
[14:04] <SuperEngineer> Dreamsy: re "if my keyboard/mouse go to sleep?".... pour coffee on them, slap them [gently] on the cheeks, converse with them, tell them sleeping is for wimps.  Do whatever it takes to stop them sleeping.
[14:05] <Dreamsy> SuperEngineer, +1
[14:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Dreamsy, and give them to super to do weird things with!
[14:05] <SebthreeBQM10HD> to SuperEngineer
[14:05] <SuperEngineer> :-D
[14:05] <Dreamsy> SuperEngineer, ping them every ... I don't know how long
[14:05] <Dreamsy> SuperEngineer, Cattle Prod
[14:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Dreamsy, I think Libertine/xmir for now doesn't really have much control over OS features like being able to control suspend etc
[14:06] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Dreamsy, but yes maybe in a future update wil have some more control over that
[14:06] <Dreamsy> but you've seen it your end? where it threatens to close xchat or firefox? ><
[14:06] <SuperEngineer> Cattle prod.. I hadn't thought of that one.. electic fence, aim, throw - that might work as well
[14:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Dreamsy, it's a bit like if yu play  music in Firefox in tablet mode or whatever it was, then go off that, it stops playing music, since it can't access the thing that plays music properly, or whatever it was
[14:07] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Dreamsy, nope FIrefox and Xchat have both mostly worked well for me on the HD
[14:07] <Dreamsy> not tried...
[14:07]  * Dreamsy tries
[14:08] <SebthreeBQM10HD> somtiems issues with trying to type with xchat though or something like that, but probably to do with my keyboard
[14:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Dreamsy, imagine being able to more offically be able to run lots of standard Desktop LInux programs, well that have been ported over to ARM, yep awesome :)
[14:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> well that will be coming in the future :)
[14:09] <SebthreeBQM10HD> maybe that will stop the debate more about if Ubuntu Touch should possiby acsaully suppor Android apps
[14:09] <Dreamsy> kdenlive on an m10 xD
[14:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> we got thousands of good programs made for the standard Desktop Linux :d  what about 20 years or so worth now even ?
[14:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Dreamsy, you could try a unoffical hack type thing, and see what other programs you can run on there already,  but Canonical only have the default programs as programs they would say are supported and meant to work defeintly on the tablet at this time
[14:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so FIrefox, Gedi, Gimp,  Xchat
[14:10] <SebthreeBQM10HD> Libre Office
[14:10] <Dreamsy> Ran it on my samsung arm chromebook, edited the timeline then rendered on my desktop ><
[14:19] <Dreamsy> either way :P thanks for the answer
[16:32] <penguin42> hmm, news.bbc seems to have very bad text layout - on my f24 box the decnders from the top line are lost; on my ubuntu box they're partially lost
[16:42] <MooDoo> hello all, please correct me if I'm wrong, but popey are you the voice of mycroft?
[16:51] <popey> bleep bloop affirmative
[16:53] <MooDoo> hehe :)
[16:54] <MooDoo> read about it on the kickstarter update :)
[16:56] <knightwise> popey: why not build a cat "bedtimestory" | microft > bedtime.wav  that way you can automatically read your kids a bedtimestory
[17:07] <SuperEngineer> Just had a quick snooze - woke up because of a nightmare. I was driving and popey was the voice on the satnav. :-0
[17:08] <SuperEngineer> "turn left & listen to the Ubuntu podcast"
[17:08] <SuperEngineer> "turn left & listen to the Ubuntu podcast now"
[17:09] <SuperEngineer> "please turn around and listen to the
[17:09] <SuperEngineer> ubuntu podecast"
[17:09] <SuperEngineer> :-(
[17:10] <ali1234> lol
[17:28] <daftykins> crikey!
[17:28] <daftykins> did the car then need a kernel update? ;D
[17:29] <Myrtti> wow. great little purchase I did with that Peter Rabbit coin http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/222184122901
[17:29] <Myrtti> I hope the receiver will value it appropriately
[17:30] <daftykins> :O
[17:31] <penguin42> heck nice
[17:32] <Myrtti> was worth queuing and suffering the mints website
[17:41] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: the car needed a reinstall!
[17:41] <daftykins> XD
[17:53] <m0nkey_> Evening all
[17:59] <SuperEngineer> just checked the user list, m0nkey_ ,. unfortunately all" is not on this channel ;-)
[17:59] <m0nkey_> ?
[18:00] <SuperEngineer> ??
[18:00] <m0nkey_> oh
[18:00] <SuperEngineer> ;-)
[18:00] <SuperEngineer> welcome
[18:01] <m0nkey_> I'm not with it this morning
[18:04] <m0nkey_> Anyone ever used luks? I'm trying it out for my backups to be stored off site. Should I be aware of any dangers that might cause it to fail?
[18:04] <m0nkey_> probably known as dm-crypt
[18:05] <penguin42> m0nkey_: I use luks, but I don't back it up like that; if you're backing the entire partition up I think you should be OK; you can also make a backup of the keys sepratately if I understand correctly
[18:05] <m0nkey_> I've got it set-up so it can be unlocked using a passphrase or keyfile
[18:06] <m0nkey_> well, at least i think i have :)
[18:06] <m0nkey_> anywho.. keyfile is backed up
[18:07] <m0nkey_> just want to secure the data in case of the disk going missing at it's off-site location
[18:07] <SuperEngineer> always better to buy an external disk, back up to that.  Trust the cloud???  no thanks
[18:08] <m0nkey_> the off-site location is a physical location on a physical disk
[18:08] <SuperEngineer> trust a remote site for backups, ditto
[18:08] <m0nkey_> i.e. i transport the drive myself :)
[18:08] <SuperEngineer> m0nkey_: cool
[18:08] <SuperEngineer> best way
[18:09] <SuperEngineer> [and it proves you *are* with it, afterall]
[18:38] <penguin42> I can see some arguments for cloud backups - you can back it up to locations that are physically far from you, and do it often and back it up to multiple locations
[18:46] <SuperEngineer>  I can see some arguments against cloud backups - you can back it up to locations that are physically hackable, and have it done often from multip[le locations ;-)
[18:48] <penguin42> well yeh, but if you encrypt it with your own keys then that's not too bad
[18:49] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: you're determined to win this, aren't you?!  :-D
[18:50] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: No; I keep my backups on a USB stick....
[18:50] <SuperEngineer> [as in, no keys have ever been cracked. nope, none of them, never] ;-)
[18:51] <m0nkey_> stop willy waving, you're going to get diddledan excited.
[18:51] <SuperEngineer> "No; I keep my backups on a USB stick...." I knew were wise  penguin42
[18:51] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Oh I agree about the keys; there was a nice slide in one of Snowden's sets about examples of what they were looking for
[18:51] <SuperEngineer> m0nkey_: lol
[18:52] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: and a slide on Debian's random number generator screwup
[18:52] <SuperEngineer> yikes!
[18:52] <SuperEngineer> why not tell the public - as if "they" didn't know
[18:54] <SuperEngineer> personally, I have a large home build pc - and large trousers - and a teser.  I stick my large oc in my large trouser pocket and taze anybody who comes near me... the police do object though!
[18:55] <SuperEngineer> *taser
[18:55] <penguin42>  'oc' ?
[18:55] <SuperEngineer> *pc
[18:55] <SuperEngineer> [/me slaps wrist for poor keyboarding]
[18:56] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Ah, you're not just happy to see me; it's your CDROM drive ejecting
[18:56] <SuperEngineer> rofl
[23:11] <zmoylan-pi> decisions decisions, my cousin vinny or naked gun...
[23:21] <daftykins> or, naked cousin vinny with a gun