[00:21] <mamarley> clivejo: I can confirm that an upgrade no longer wants to remove sddm.  It does look like you will need to recompile python3-pyqt5 though because that depends on qtbase-abi-5.5.1.
[07:14] <soee> !info libgtk-x11
[07:14] <soee> !info libgtk-x11 xenial
[07:28] <valorie> is this why some are complaining about how FF looks?
[07:28] <soee> nono
[07:28] <valorie> ok
[07:29] <valorie> not that I care; I've abandoned FF after years of use
[07:30] <soee> i'm on Vivaldi
[11:28] <clivejo> yofel acheronuk: I merged plasma-workspace with Debian in an atempt to fix some build issues I was having with it.  But it seems our version and Debian seems to have forked quite a bit
[11:28] <clivejo> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/273454553/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.plasma-workspace_4%3A5.7.1-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa12_BUILDING.txt.gz
[11:29] <clivejo> I got myself into a right mess last night trying to fix it and need new fresh eyes on it
[13:15] <clivejo> more KCI memory issues
[13:16] <clivejo> 13:12:34 make: *** Cannot allocate memory.  Stop.
[13:43] <acheronuk> clivejo: have an old mate from uni visiting this weekend, so I doubt I can look at it
[13:43] <clivejo> no problem
[15:24] <blaze> sigh
[15:24] <blaze> clivejo: what's the status of plasma 5.7 packaging?
 I'm stuck on plasma-workspace
 Haven't had the will to go back to it yet
[16:05] <mamarley> clivejo: Yeah, I had a similar "couldn't find library" error a while back with the NVIDIA packages and it was difficult getting the right syntax in the shlibs file to tell it that the library it was looking for was in another package compiled by that same source package.
[16:11] <mamarley> Except these packages use .symbols files, which I know even less about. :(
[16:16] <mamarley> I don't even see this "liblegacytaskmanager.so" being packaged anywhere in plasma-workspace, hmm…
[16:17] <soee> something like that was removed in Plasma 5.7 master
[16:28] <mamarley> So, sorry.  This is above my head.
[19:52] <jimarvan> hey guys
[19:52] <jimarvan> how is it going? :)
[19:54] <clivejo> head is spinning
[19:54] <clivejo> you?
[19:57] <clivejo> libs dont seem to be enough, now we need legacy libs
[19:59] <clivejo> LOL
[19:59] <clivejo> (krazy can't deal with embedded classes)
[20:13] <jimarvan> :/
[20:13] <jimarvan> hehe I was enjoying the sunny day
[20:13] <jimarvan> then fog came and ruined it all -.-
[20:17]  * clivejo bangs head off the wall
[20:19] <jimarvan> hey hey
[20:19] <jimarvan> :D
[20:20] <jimarvan> problem?
[20:21] <clivejo> you could say that
[21:01]  * clivejo starts bleeding from his ears
[21:04]  * valorie offers tea and cotton fluff for the ears
[21:05] <clivejo> why oh who oh why
[21:05]  * jimarvan will take some tea
[21:05] <valorie> pot's still hot, jimarvan!
[21:06] <valorie> and plenty for everyone
[21:06] <clivejo> anything stronger?
[21:06]  * valorie has milk and sugar but no lemon
[21:06] <valorie> ..... and brandy!
[21:06] <jimarvan> :D
[21:06] <clivejo> Ill have some brandy
[21:08] <valorie> there are even brandy glasses if you don't want the tea
[21:08] <valorie> :-)
[21:16]  * valorie needs direct caffeine to the brain today, dunno why
[21:23] <clivejo> know how you feel
[21:27] <clivejo> *beeping* *beep* *beep* *beep*
[21:47]  * mamarley hugs clivejo.
[21:47] <clivejo> Im going insane!
[21:47] <jimarvan> :(
[21:51]  * yofel passes clivejo a bug mug of hot coffee
[21:53] <jimarvan> guys
[21:53] <jimarvan> can someone kick the guy in #kubuntu?
[21:56] <clivejo> valorie: ?
[21:57] <clivejo> here comes yofel to the rescue!
[21:58] <yofel> now if I could remember how to ban someone..
[21:58]  * yofel googles
[22:01] <yofel> gone
[22:03] <jimarvan> thanks :)
[22:03] <yofel> jimarvan: the appropriate action at such times is to call !ops in the affected channel
[22:03] <jimarvan> what did kubuntu do to him?
[22:03] <jimarvan> oh
[22:03] <jimarvan> by name you mean?
[22:03] <yofel> nothing, he got kicked out of several other channels too
[22:03] <jimarvan> ah ok
[22:04] <yofel> either that or just the factoid, that'll ping a couple people and send a message to #ubuntu-ops
[22:04] <jimarvan> hmm is there an option to display on top the ops?
[22:04] <yofel> no, ubuntu channels have a 'no-ops' policy.
[22:04] <valorie> in konvi there is
[22:04] <jimarvan> aah that is why i dont see any ops
[22:04] <yofel> not sure if the ACLs are publicly readable
[22:04] <valorie> however, yeah it doesn't work so well in ubuntu chans
[22:05] <jimarvan> i c
[22:05] <valorie> um, there is a command to see who has powerz in each chan
[22:05] <jimarvan> ye it has been 10 years
[22:05] <jimarvan> since i used irc xD
[22:05] <jimarvan> good times >-)
[22:06] <valorie>  like /msg chanserv access #kde list
[22:06] <valorie> you might have to have access to see that though
[22:07] <valorie> https://toxin.jottit.com/freenode_chanserv_commands is useful
[22:07] <jimarvan> hmm
[22:07] <valorie> just doing !ops calls all the ops
[22:07] <aaron-> IRC so different at times
[22:07] <aaron-> I should have op but don't
[22:07] <valorie> but of course trolls know that too, and use it to annoy
[22:08] <aaron-> crap forgot how to set nick
[22:08] <valorie> just /nick newnick
[22:08] <valorie> or do you mean with chanserv?
[22:08] <yofel> ahoneybun: yes, you are op?
[22:09] <yofel> [ChanServ] 19    ahoneybun              +Aefiortv (kcouncil) [modified 42w 2d 23h ago]
[22:09] <ahoneybun> there we go
[22:09] <valorie> because you can always do /nickserv HELP or so
[22:09] <valorie> or any of the services
[22:09] <ahoneybun> yofel: [Error] You need to be a channel operator in #kubuntu to do that.
[22:09] <ahoneybun> ;p
[22:10] <yofel> ahoneybun: what exactly are you trying to do?
[22:10] <ahoneybun> ban
[22:10] <jimarvan> xD
[22:10] <jimarvan> omg :O what did i do? :P
[22:10] <yofel> ahoneybun: /msg chanserv op #kubuntu ahoneybun
[22:10] <yofel> *then* you can
[22:10] <yofel> remember to deop after that
[22:11] <ahoneybun> deop instead of op?
[22:11] <yofel> yes
[22:11] <jimarvan> and if you deop
[22:11] <yofel> I had already banned him though ^^
[22:11] <jimarvan> you can still use bans?
[22:11] <ahoneybun> just checking
[22:11]  * ahoneybun returns to his show
[22:11] <yofel> ahoneybun: banning the nick isn't that great an idea
[22:12] <yofel> webchat nicks are random. so that might hit random people
[22:12] <jimarvan> guys gotta go, see ya tomorrow!
[22:12] <jimarvan> have fun! :)
[22:12] <yofel> nini :)
[22:12] <valorie> niters jimarvan
[22:21] <clivejo> please go green
[22:47] <mamarley> clivejo: You've got this.  I have confidence in you. :)
[22:56] <clivejo> mamarley: have you a box for a test install?
[23:15] <N3X15> Any known issues with files in kactivities conflicting with kio-extra-data?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/19833042/
[23:18] <clivejo> N3X15: where are you getting these packages?
[23:18] <clivejo> kio-extras_4%3a16.04.3+p16.04+git20160708.0424-0_amd64.deb
[23:18] <clivejo> KCI?
[23:18] <N3X15> Yep
[23:18] <clivejo> you shouldnt use KCI
[23:18] <N3X15> Unfortunatel, the stable Kubuntu has far more issues for me, for whatever reason
[23:19] <clivejo> KCI is for development
[23:19] <N3X15> Things like severe graphical glitches (white-on-white taskbar, etc)
[23:19] <N3X15> KCI is the only repo that seems to work.
[23:22] <N3X15> Sorry for the trouble.  It doesn't seem to be causing any problems, other than an error when updating, but since it's been going on for a month or so, I thought I'd pop in and see if you guys had noticed it or not.
[23:24] <clivejo> have you tried the backports PPA?
[23:25] <N3X15> Not yet.
[23:26] <clivejo> anyone with a disposal yakkety?  I need a test install
[23:27] <clivejo> disposable 
[23:27] <valorie> install of what, clivejo?
[23:27] <clivejo> plasma
[23:27] <valorie> just staging, or what?
[23:28] <valorie> tell me what you need and I'll do it
[23:28] <clivejo> yeah, but needs to be totally throw away 
[23:28] <valorie>  creating another vbox isn't difficult
[23:29] <valorie> mine is started and waiting
[23:29] <clivejo> add the staging PPA and do a dist upgrade
[23:30] <valorie> also I have a snapshot to fall back to if necessary
[23:30] <clivejo> paste me the install, upgrade, remove report
[23:30] <valorie> via the cli I assume, not testing discover or so
[23:31] <clivejo> yup
[23:32] <valorie> to double-check, this ppa? ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa-landing
[23:32] <clivejo> nope
[23:32] <valorie> oops, you wanted staging
[23:32] <valorie> so ppa-staging
[23:32] <valorie> or is it plasma-staging
[23:32] <clivejo> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma/
[23:36] <valorie> still working away......
[23:41] <valorie> clivejo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/19836625/
[23:42] <valorie> rebooting
[23:42] <valorie> it
[23:43] <clivejo> did it complete?
[23:43] <valorie> hmmm, it reboots to a VT
[23:43] <valorie> looks like it didn't
[23:43] <clivejo> Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme (0.15-0ubuntu1) ...
[23:43] <clivejo> W: Operation was interrupted before it could finish
[23:44] <valorie> yeah, I didn't interrupt it, so dunno
[23:44] <valorie> I'll just install a daily when we want to test that
[23:44] <valorie> or go back to the snapshot
[23:45] <clivejo> what happened when you rebooted?
[23:45] <valorie> took me to tty1
[23:45] <valorie> and didn't let me login
[23:46] <valorie> I wonder if I remembered my login correctly
[23:46] <clivejo> what was the original install source?
[23:46] <valorie> the daily on alpha-day
[23:46] <valorie> 11 days ago
[23:47] <clivejo> humm
[23:49] <valorie> oh, my notes say I snapshotted after adding -landing and kdeapps, updating, then removing them
[23:49] <valorie> so it might not be worth saving at all
[23:52] <valorie> anyway, I discarded the present state so it either comes back from that or doesn't