[06:18] morning everyone [06:38] Morning Kilos [06:38] hi paddatrapper [06:38] How goes it? [06:39] not too bad ty and you lad? [06:39] I'm good. Wonderful day out, so probably won't be online too much [06:40] get some UV's [06:40] Exactly. Lol [06:40] i spend lots of time in the sun in winter [06:40] house too cold [06:40] It's the only place that is sometimes warm [06:41] Shade and houses are freezing [06:41] yeah [06:41] as you get older it gets worse [06:46] I'm sure [06:49] so stay young [09:44] yay, I'm back Oom [09:44] goiedag mense [09:49] wb inetpro [09:49] glad to see you survived the ordeal [09:57] quassel server had disk errors needing manual intervention after a reboot yesterday [09:58] wow [09:58] a repair fixed it... hopefully not something else damaged [09:59] painful when rebooting causes probs [09:59] but it's due for an upgrade anyway... just not now [10:00] old server os running [10:58] Hello Kilos inetpro Na3iL ! [10:58] ahoy ZA [11:09] Hello friends [11:09] hi pavlushka [11:10] not many here atm i think [11:10] they start appearing lowly [11:11] ok [11:11] how are you Na3iL ? [11:11] I am very good pavlushka ty, yourself? [11:12] Na3iL: Having my Rizk, :) [11:13] If I remember well, it's a casino [11:13] right? [11:13] must be food [11:13] aw, is that a special food in South Africa? [11:14] no [11:14] he is in bangladesh [11:15] Ah yep I forget this [11:15] lol [11:15] spends lots of time thinking about food i think [11:15] I am a big fan of foods btw :p [11:16] we have a special plat in Tunisia we call it Koskous [11:16] You should eat it Kilos :D [11:16] ill try it one day Na3iL , i have heard the word before [11:17] :D [11:19] Na3iL send a recipe [11:20] take a look Kilos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Goatuk9dnPQ [11:20] ty [11:20] not a cooking video i hope [11:21] videos eat my data [11:21] aw, let me check for a text version [11:21] haha [11:21] here is http://www.cookitsimply.com/recipe-0010-01376s2.html [11:21] you people and youtube [11:21] ty [11:23] yw :) [13:14] time for me to say good bye again [13:14] Kilos: tot weersiens [13:15] bye hibana [13:38] Na3iL: that looks delicious [13:38] haha superfly if you can come to Tunisia, I will invite you to try it :D [13:39] Na3iL: I'm sure I can persuade my wife to make it :-) (that's if I don't) [13:39] okay [13:45] Good afternoon [13:46] hi gremble [13:48] Are you well superfly? [13:49] well enough thanks, and you? [13:50] I am well thank you. Only complaint is cold feet. [13:53] I need to go, catch you all later [13:54] Cheers [14:23] hmm... [14:35] missed hibana [14:35] and fly [14:35] hi gremble [14:35] How are you Kilos? [14:35] Well and warm? [14:36] warm yes ty half under the blankets already [14:36] how are you? [14:38] I am well thank you [16:04] hi SEptic [16:04] welcome to ubuntu-za [16:05] hello! [16:05] where are you? [16:05] eastern cape [16:05] cool [16:06] feel free to hang here 24/7 and just shout if you need linux help [16:06] been using linux for 2 or 3 years, trying to help out and learn more at the same time [16:06] cool, thanks [16:06] we have experts i n all the fields here [16:07] have you seen our site? [16:07] https://ubuntu-za.org [16:07] nice! [16:09] this is our official support channel but whe arent tied to the topic unless someone is being helped [16:10] good to know [16:11] was having issues the other day plugging 2 external screens into my laptop, but i need to try 1 or 2 more tests before asking questions [16:12] been looking for a local irc linux chan, found one! [16:12] the lugs have gone quiet [16:13] everyone has become too busy these days [16:14] someone here will be able to help you im sure [16:15] what OS are you using [16:15] you just have to be patient here till someone wakes up [16:17] i'm running ubuntu 17.3 on my laptops [16:18] 18 looks good but hanging on until i have a weekend to mass upgrade [16:19] im lost [16:19] where did you get 17.3 [16:20] and 18 [16:20] hi inetpro i see Mzolisto is back as well [16:21] was he aslso a reviced casualty [16:21] revived [16:21] lol [16:21] my bad .. mint 17.3 and 18 [16:21] aha [16:21] thats fine [16:21] rofl [16:22] there are other mint users as well [16:37] used to use ubuntu hmm 12 i think? then tried mint and it just stuck [16:37] lol that happens [16:52] i'd like to get more involved, i can sit in on this tuesday meeting yes? [16:53] yes everyone is welcome [16:53] and you can hang out here all the time as well [16:54] you can invite others to attend as well [16:56] great, thanks [17:11] Kilos: uh oh! [17:11] inetpro what? [17:12] I goes those accounts just autoconnected after the restart [17:12] lol [17:13] only one [17:13] i dont see the other guy [17:13] np [17:13] * inetpro noticed two unused accounts [17:13] i forget the other guys nick [17:14] say hi to the new guy inetpro [17:14] hello newguy [17:14] hahaha [17:14] SEptic he means you [17:14] inetpro is our mr fixit [17:14] oh my, hello SEptic [17:14] haha hello [17:15] but he makes you work for it [17:15] where did you find him Kilos? [17:15] fair enough [17:15] he found us [17:15] haha... ok [17:15] dont know what took him 3 years [17:15] lol [17:15] maybe mint users are a bit slower [17:15] hehe [17:17] it seems so yes [17:17] haha [17:19] inetpro you didnt tell him welcome [17:19] when you say it peeps hang around [17:19] when i say it they go fishing tomorrow [17:27] used to live on irc as a kid ... been many years [17:28] aha [17:29] i only learned about irc about 8 years ago [17:36] i stopped about 2006, want to learn and help with this ubuntu stuff and heard about irc chans and here i am [17:36] haha [17:36] soon you will be using ubuntu [17:37] preferably kde flavour [17:38] lol! k i won't fight it ... i'll make a vm in the meantime [17:38] haha [17:40] kubuntu yes? [17:40] yes [17:41] i dunno about 16.04 , im still on 14.04 [17:41] inetpro advise [17:41] i see 16.04 is long term [17:42] yes as is 14.04 [17:42] 5 years support [17:42] and 12.04 :p [17:43] (which i nuked on laptop last week) [17:43] haha i still run 12.04 on old desktop [17:43] works well on slower pcs [17:44] old ThinkPad X40 :p ... 1GB RAM, 1.4GHz Pentium M processor [17:44] whew [17:45] incredibly, latest stable Debian runs awesomely on it [17:45] impressive [17:45] but you won't believe this (at least i couldn't ...) [17:45] Gnome 3 seems to be a lesser resource hog than Cinnamon DE (which is used in Mint) [17:46] i practically couldn't do anything on the laptop with Cinnamon .. but Gnome 3 works just fine .. it's slower than XFCE, but definitely useable [17:47] anyway .. i have a problem with gdm3+gnome-shell combination, [17:48] so currently using lightdm+gnome3 [17:49] hectic [17:51] anyone ever played with the JACK Audio Connection Kit? [17:51] the big + for mint is for ppl changing from windows, wiped my wife's windows on her laptop (Dell Inspiron 1545) and forced her to use mint with very little moaning [17:51] nope [17:51] hahaha [17:52] i've also got two ex-Windows guys that I introduced to Linux .. pointed them to Mint too. They are happy about it too [17:53] ah yes .. meant to ask this: [17:53] https://www.isignite.co.za/wizard/BusinessRisk/Products?tab=%23CloudServer <== do you know any better deal than this? [17:53] i want just a basic site/blog and i don't expect a lot of traffic [17:54] must be local [18:03] Kilos: sorry I was on the phone [18:03] np [18:03] you like scrolling back far [18:03] hehe [18:05] i use mint too - on another laptop - this 1 is KDE [18:07] never used KDE, although i've heard good things about it [18:07] i alway have a good laugh to myself when theres that communal office sigh about end of day windows upgrades [18:08] hi Slcelo - mint made me change to linux but KDE made me stay [18:09] lol nice [18:09] :) [18:10] hehe [18:10] tbh, i spend a lot of my time in a terminal ... can't say that either Gnome or KDE affects my use case much [18:10] will test KDE one of these days soon however [18:10] SEptic: windows 10 upgrades brings my office network to a stand still - i just disable the upgrader [18:11] nsnzero: WSUS :) [18:11] or whatever it's called nowadays [18:13] ja look, since the whole pushy win10 update story, not interested in running that as my main OS [18:14] Sicelo: there is a a version of mint with the KDE Desktop - try it out . it uses KDE 4 which is stable and mature [18:14] yes, have to run VMs for proprietary software, but my main OS is mint on SSD [18:14] aah ok cool will check [18:15] boot time is mental [18:15] nsnzero: will just install kde on top of this ;) [18:16] that works too [18:17] jessie seems to have 4.11 .. i guess should be good enought [18:18] ms is good at marketing - but win10 it not wining the hearts of all [18:19] ... and those useless tiles [18:19] *puts head in hands* [18:20] you can always test KDE Plasma in a VM - its not stable or mature enough for me to recommend - use it just for the challenge of it [18:21] yea, dl'ing a bunch of .iso [18:21] i've read aobut Plasma too .. aiui it was at least touch-screen focused? [18:22] evening all [18:23] Sicelo: i dont recall but i guess touch is the new in thing [18:23] hi captine [18:23] good evening captine [18:24] hi hi captine [18:24] Kilos: how you feeling ? [18:24] hehe with my hands [18:24] yes nsnzero .. i read about it while comparing window managers suitable for tablet us. apparently plasma was making very good progress [18:24] actually flu is improving ty [18:27] Sicelo: while touch looks good (and awesome in the movies) i really not a fan - have a wndows 8 touch tablet lying around somewhere - it never impress me other than the marketing hype [18:28] but if you chroot a linux distro in your android phone for example .. a touch-optimized WM helps [18:30] particularly as capacitive touch panels took over the accurate resistive panels of yester-year. unless you pay for some expensive 'modern' stylus/pen [18:32] Sicelo: thats true [18:33] just looked at the meeting agenda ... [18:34] does ubuntu-za sometimes organize events? [18:34] yes when someone has time [18:35] where could i see some past events? and past meeting minutes? [18:36] inetpro ^^ [18:36] superfly ^^ [18:36] ah .. got the past minutes [18:39] will try to be here for the next meeting as audience :) [18:39] i'm using hexchat atm, better recommended irc clients? [18:39] you are welcome [18:39] on kde? [18:39] hexchat is good for gnomd [18:39] e [18:40] SEptic: irssi :p [18:40] mint [18:40] hexchat is fine imo [18:40] ah ok cool [18:40] irssi is hard work [18:40] for me anyway [18:41] ... just wondering what all the cool kids are using [18:41] some guys use quassel then they can bounce wirh cell as well [18:41] irssi only for me on everything - laptop/pc/cell [18:42] Kilos: XChat dead? used to look good last i used it [18:42] hardcore - konversation on kde [18:43] un supported last i heard but still works [18:43] sucks .. it seemed a good client. i guess hexchat is a fork? [18:57] meh .. [18:57] split [18:58] ohi Sicelo [18:58] * superfly uses Quassel [18:59] (and quasseldroid, and occasionally quassel-webserver) [18:59] superfly: ;) [19:01] * superfly doesn't know if he qualifies as a cool kid... probably not [19:16] checking out quassel ... [19:16] wb everyone [19:16] major netspit [19:17] lol i rem splits when i used irc back in the day [19:17] :) [19:18] walk down memory lane this weekend [19:21] good night everybody [19:21] night inetpro [19:22] nighty [19:24] night [19:44] * Sicelo is installing kde now :) [19:44] lol [19:45] now we just wait for SEptic [19:46] kde might be a bit slow on that lappy [19:46] okay .. i'll go back to Gnome then :p [19:46] (if it's unusable, that is) [19:46] try it first though [19:47] at times its worth waiting for [19:47] takes some getting used to [19:47] lol i'm on it [19:47] i see it is pulling in vlc as a dependency .. /me has not used vlc in a long time [19:48] lol [19:48] land mysql .. wut :-/ [19:48] s/land/and/ [19:50] sqlite too, lol [19:50] now i'm wondering what all this stuff gets used for [19:50] jre :-/ [19:58] gd [20:12] night all. sleep tight [20:12] see you tomorrow [20:12] nightie Kilos [20:26] i'm out [20:26] moro [20:50] sup [20:51] ;p [20:51] who's awake [20:52] me [20:52] not happy about KDE, lol (from Gnome) [20:52] heh, Im sitting here kinda freaked out haha [20:52] Symmetria: any idea how i create/access another workspace in KDE? [20:53] so, I knew I had like, a ton of work to complete, Im on a tight deadline, the work requires a crapload of concentration, and I only got 6 hours sleep last night [20:53] so at 6am, I get up, I have a cup of coffee [20:53] at lunch time, I take 200mgs of provigil (something that was recommended to me and that is avialable in Kenya over the counter) [20:53] aw .. that seems bad [20:53] heh, I've now been working for 18 hours straight, my concentration is totally perfect, and I feel like I just woke up for 12 hours of good sleep [20:54] its like... I took 10 cups of coffee and got all the alertness but none of the downsides, its... wierd [20:54] and no, no idea on KDE :) [20:56] i feel like i'm back on Windows :-/ [20:56] KDE looks good .. no lies [20:56] and i see a few things here and there it does better than Gnome .. but err ... [20:57] now i have to RTFM before I can use workspaces ... i don't like that .. heck, even win 10 has them now [20:57] lol, I refuse to use X as a desktop system, heh, purely because of application support [20:57] I stick to linux for servers [20:57] windows 10 for desktop [20:57] and osx for notebooks [20:58] (I'd love to run OSX as primary but osx without apple hardware doesnt work terribly well and I cant get apple hardware big enough to replace my current desktop specs) [20:58] and some of us have no will to pay $$$ to apple anyway [20:59] heh for me, I'd pay for it if I could find a machine that could do what my other desktop system can in terms of specs [20:59] lol, hardware is the one thing I never go cheap on [21:00] http://server.alstonnetworks.net/photos/IMG_0184.JPG [21:00] my office at home ;p [21:01] you have the money to pay for it .. [21:01] Sicelo lol, some of it, the rest I find reasons to make the company pay for ;p [21:01] nice setup there .. what you do with it? [21:01] at least you also have someone to pull strings with, lol .. [21:02] Sicelo heh, I work for a very large telco/ISP, as group head of strategy [21:02] so everything from monitoring the network to network designs to working on 50 routers at once [21:02] heh, also video conferencing and everything else [21:02] okay .. makes sense [21:02] (you'll notice the cisco telepresence camera on the top of the monitor on the far right) [21:02] thats a high def VC camera [21:03] Sicelo lol, the other stuff is mostly disk space - the problems of 2 much bandwidth, it leads to 2 much disk space [21:03] ;p [21:04] (got workspaces now .. the call them desktops) [21:04] now, to find focus-follows-mouse [21:04] you're living the life ;) [21:04] btw, the reason I actually came in here, is anyone in here on FTTH [21:04] with proper bandwidth? [21:04] I wanna do a speed / transfer test from where I am to someone on one of the FTTH ISP's in ZA [21:05] i think people are sleeping .. i already can't buy an old apple .. so ftth is a dream i won't be realizing anytime soon, lol [21:05] LOL, bandwidth for me is the one thing I DON'T pay for at all [21:05] (and I have stupid amounts of it, haha, especially considering I'm in Kenya) [21:06] * Symmetria has 2 x 10G fibers into his house [21:06] lol [21:09] nice [21:09] I'm gonna cry if I ever move back to ZA [21:10] and have to go back to like, normal people bandwidth [21:10] hehe [21:11] i say ZA has quite good b/w ... i come from Swaziland .. [21:11] Sicelo ZA bandwidth in terms of the rest of the world, and even in terms of the rest of east africa [21:11] sucks :) [21:11] but its all relative [21:12] you don't want to be in Swaziland .. trust me [21:13] lol, I know the problems with swazi, I used to supply the bandwidth for the university there [21:13] and I saw the costs involved and the tiny amounts [21:13] exactly [21:14] heh we supply bandwidth into lesotho, but not swaziland [21:14] maybe one day we'll start supplying there as well [21:14] :P I won't stop until we supply the whole continent hehe [21:14] (we also just bought out neotel) [21:16] maybe [21:16] Neotel is gonna be a fun project when I start working on that network [21:19] test [21:19] ah .. focus follows mouse done [21:20] * Sicelo no longer unhappy about KDE .. just harder to find some of the settings here [21:20] btw, whoever designed the cacti database backend [21:20] needs a slap for making it horribly bloody complex [21:22] dunno it .. [21:23] this? http://www.cacti.net/downloads/docs/html/unix_configure_cacti.html [21:23] yeah, its a monitoring / graphing tool [21:24] except, heh, I needed a way to show me information differently so I was accessing the backend database to figure out what RRD's were where and draw my own status page [21:27] * Symmetria just discovered he could run 100gigabit over the same band spacing as a single 10gigabit using alien wave over 600 kilometers [21:31] what ISP you're with? [21:32] I work for Liquid Telecom group [21:33] will check them out tomorrow .. i should be heading for bed soonish