[06:18] <Kilos> morning everyone
[06:38] <paddatrapper> Morning Kilos
[06:38] <Kilos> hi paddatrapper 
[06:38] <paddatrapper> How goes it? 
[06:39] <Kilos> not too bad ty and you lad?
[06:39] <paddatrapper> I'm good. Wonderful day out, so probably won't be online too much 
[06:40] <Kilos> get some UV's
[06:40] <paddatrapper> Exactly. Lol
[06:40] <Kilos> i spend lots of time in the sun in winter
[06:40] <Kilos> house too cold
[06:40] <paddatrapper> It's the only place that is sometimes warm 
[06:41] <paddatrapper> Shade and houses are freezing 
[06:41] <Kilos> yeah
[06:41] <Kilos> as you get older it gets worse
[06:46] <paddatrapper> I'm sure 
[06:49] <Kilos> so stay young
[09:44] <inetpro> yay, I'm back Oom 
[09:44] <inetpro> goiedag mense 
[09:49] <Kilos> wb inetpro 
[09:49] <Kilos> glad to see you survived the ordeal
[09:57] <inetpro> quassel server had disk errors needing manual intervention after a reboot yesterday 
[09:58] <Kilos> wow
[09:58] <inetpro> a repair fixed it... hopefully not something else damaged 
[09:59] <Kilos> painful when rebooting causes probs
[09:59] <inetpro> but it's due for an upgrade anyway... just not now 
[10:00] <Kilos> old server os running
[10:58] <pavlushka> Hello Kilos inetpro Na3iL !
[10:58] <pavlushka> ahoy ZA
[11:09] <Na3iL> Hello friends
[11:09] <Kilos> hi pavlushka 
[11:10] <Kilos> not many here atm i think
[11:10] <Kilos> they start appearing lowly 
[11:11] <pavlushka> ok
[11:11] <pavlushka> how are you Na3iL ?
[11:11] <Na3iL> I am very good pavlushka ty, yourself? 
[11:12] <pavlushka> Na3iL: Having my Rizk, :)
[11:13] <Na3iL> If I remember well, it's a casino
[11:13] <Na3iL> right? 
[11:13] <Kilos> must be food
[11:13] <Na3iL> aw, is that a special food in South Africa? 
[11:14] <Kilos> no
[11:14] <Kilos> he is in bangladesh
[11:15] <Na3iL> Ah yep I forget this
[11:15] <Kilos> lol
[11:15] <Kilos> spends lots of time thinking about food i think
[11:15] <Na3iL> I am a big fan of foods btw :p
[11:16] <Na3iL> we have a special plat in Tunisia we call it Koskous 
[11:16] <Na3iL> You should eat it Kilos :D 
[11:16] <Kilos> ill try it one day Na3iL , i have heard the word before
[11:17] <Na3iL> :D 
[11:19] <Kilos> Na3iL send a recipe
[11:20] <Na3iL> take a look Kilos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Goatuk9dnPQ
[11:20] <Kilos> ty
[11:20] <Kilos> not a cooking video i hope
[11:21] <Kilos> videos eat my data
[11:21] <Na3iL> aw, let me check for a text version
[11:21] <Kilos> haha
[11:21] <Na3iL> here is http://www.cookitsimply.com/recipe-0010-01376s2.html
[11:21] <Kilos> you people and youtube
[11:21] <Kilos> ty
[11:23] <Na3iL> yw :)
[13:14] <hibana> time for me to say good bye again
[13:14] <hibana> Kilos: tot weersiens
[13:15] <inetpro> bye hibana
[13:38] <superfly> Na3iL: that looks delicious
[13:38] <Na3iL> haha superfly if you can come to Tunisia, I will invite you to try it :D 
[13:39] <superfly> Na3iL: I'm sure I can persuade my wife to make it :-) (that's if I don't)
[13:39] <Na3iL> okay 
[13:45] <gremble> Good afternoon 
[13:46] <superfly> hi gremble
[13:48] <gremble> Are you well superfly?
[13:49] <superfly> well enough thanks, and you?
[13:50] <gremble> I am well thank you. Only complaint is cold feet. 
[13:53] <superfly> I need to go, catch you all later
[13:54] <gremble> Cheers
[14:23] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:35] <Kilos> missed hibana
[14:35] <Kilos> and fly
[14:35] <Kilos> hi gremble 
[14:35] <gremble> How are you Kilos?
[14:35] <gremble> Well and warm?
[14:36] <Kilos> warm yes ty half under the blankets already
[14:36] <Kilos> how are you?
[14:38] <gremble> I am well thank you
[16:04] <Kilos> hi SEptic 
[16:04] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[16:05] <SEptic> hello!
[16:05] <Kilos> where are you?
[16:05] <SEptic> eastern cape
[16:05] <Kilos> cool
[16:06] <Kilos> feel free to hang here 24/7 and just shout if you need linux help
[16:06] <SEptic> been using linux for 2 or 3 years, trying to help out and learn more at the same time
[16:06] <SEptic> cool, thanks
[16:06] <Kilos> we have experts i n all the fields here
[16:07] <Kilos> have you seen our site?
[16:07] <Kilos> https://ubuntu-za.org
[16:07] <SEptic> nice!
[16:09] <Kilos> this is our official support channel but whe arent tied to the topic unless someone is being helped
[16:10] <SEptic> good to know
[16:11] <SEptic> was having issues the other day plugging 2 external screens into my laptop, but i need to try 1 or 2 more tests before asking questions
[16:12] <SEptic> been looking for a local irc linux chan, found one!
[16:12] <Kilos> the lugs have gone quiet
[16:13] <Kilos> everyone has become too busy these days
[16:14] <Kilos> someone here will be able to help you im sure
[16:15] <Kilos> what OS are you using
[16:15] <Kilos> you just have to be patient here till someone wakes up
[16:17] <SEptic> i'm running ubuntu 17.3 on my laptops
[16:18] <SEptic> 18 looks good but hanging on until i have a weekend to mass upgrade
[16:19] <Kilos> im lost
[16:19] <Kilos> where did you get 17.3
[16:20] <Kilos> and 18
[16:20] <Kilos> hi inetpro i see Mzolisto is back as well
[16:21] <Kilos> was he aslso a reviced casualty
[16:21] <Kilos> revived
[16:21] <SEptic> lol
[16:21] <SEptic> my bad .. mint 17.3 and 18
[16:21] <Kilos> aha
[16:21] <Kilos> thats fine
[16:21] <SEptic> rofl
[16:22] <Kilos> there are other mint users as well
[16:37] <SEptic> used to use ubuntu hmm 12 i think? then tried mint and it just stuck
[16:37] <Kilos> lol that happens
[16:52] <SEptic> i'd like to get more involved, i can sit in on this tuesday meeting yes?
[16:53] <Kilos> yes everyone is welcome
[16:53] <Kilos> and you can hang out here all the time as well
[16:54] <Kilos> you can invite others to attend as well
[16:56] <SEptic> great, thanks
[17:11] <inetpro> Kilos: uh oh!
[17:11] <Kilos> inetpro what?
[17:12] <inetpro> I goes those accounts just autoconnected after the restart
[17:12] <Kilos> lol
[17:13] <Kilos> only one
[17:13] <Kilos> i dont see the other guy
[17:13] <Kilos> np
[17:13]  * inetpro noticed two unused accounts
[17:13] <Kilos> i forget the other guys nick
[17:14] <Kilos> say hi to the new guy inetpro 
[17:14] <inetpro> hello newguy
[17:14] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:14] <Kilos> SEptic he means you
[17:14] <Kilos> inetpro is our mr fixit
[17:14] <inetpro> oh my, hello SEptic
[17:14] <SEptic> haha hello
[17:15] <Kilos> but he makes you work for it
[17:15] <inetpro> where did you find him Kilos?
[17:15] <SEptic> fair enough
[17:15] <Kilos> he found us
[17:15] <inetpro> haha... ok
[17:15] <Kilos> dont know what took him 3 years
[17:15] <SEptic> lol
[17:15] <Kilos> maybe mint users are a bit slower
[17:15] <Kilos> hehe
[17:17] <SEptic> it seems so yes
[17:17] <SEptic> haha
[17:19] <Kilos> inetpro you didnt tell him welcome
[17:19] <Kilos> when you say it peeps hang around
[17:19] <Kilos> when i say it they go fishing tomorrow
[17:27] <SEptic> used to live on irc as a kid ... been many years
[17:28] <Kilos> aha
[17:29] <Kilos> i only learned about irc about  8 years ago
[17:36] <SEptic> i stopped about 2006, want to learn and help with this ubuntu stuff and heard about irc chans and here i am
[17:36] <Kilos> haha
[17:36] <Kilos> soon you will be using ubuntu
[17:37] <Kilos> preferably kde flavour
[17:38] <SEptic> lol! k i won't fight it ... i'll make a vm in the meantime
[17:38] <Kilos> haha
[17:40] <SEptic> kubuntu yes?
[17:40] <Kilos> yes
[17:41] <Kilos> i dunno about 16.04 , im still on 14.04
[17:41] <Kilos> inetpro advise
[17:41] <SEptic> i see 16.04 is long term
[17:42] <Kilos> yes as is 14.04
[17:42] <Kilos> 5 years support
[17:42] <Sicelo> and 12.04 :p
[17:43] <Sicelo> (which i nuked on laptop last week)
[17:43] <Kilos> haha i still run 12.04 on old desktop
[17:43] <Kilos> works well on slower pcs
[17:44] <Sicelo> old ThinkPad X40 :p ... 1GB RAM, 1.4GHz Pentium M processor
[17:44] <Kilos> whew
[17:45] <Sicelo> incredibly, latest stable Debian runs awesomely on it 
[17:45] <SEptic> impressive
[17:45] <Sicelo> but you won't believe this (at least i couldn't ...)
[17:45] <Sicelo> Gnome 3 seems to be a lesser resource hog than Cinnamon DE (which is used in Mint)
[17:46] <Sicelo> i practically couldn't do anything on the laptop with Cinnamon .. but Gnome 3 works just fine .. it's slower than XFCE, but definitely useable
[17:47] <Sicelo> anyway .. i have a problem with gdm3+gnome-shell combination, 
[17:48] <Sicelo> so currently using lightdm+gnome3
[17:49] <SEptic> hectic
[17:51] <Sicelo> anyone ever played with the JACK Audio Connection Kit?
[17:51] <SEptic> the big + for mint is for ppl changing from windows, wiped my wife's windows on her laptop (Dell Inspiron 1545) and forced her to use mint with very little moaning
[17:51] <SEptic> nope
[17:51] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:52] <Sicelo> i've also got two ex-Windows guys that I introduced to Linux .. pointed them to Mint too. They are happy about it too
[17:53] <Sicelo> ah yes .. meant to ask this:
[17:53] <Sicelo> https://www.isignite.co.za/wizard/BusinessRisk/Products?tab=%23CloudServer   <== do you know any better deal than this?
[17:53] <Sicelo> i want just a basic site/blog and i don't expect a lot of traffic
[17:54] <Sicelo> must be local
[18:03] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry I was on the phone
[18:03] <Kilos> np
[18:03] <Kilos> you like scrolling back far
[18:03] <Kilos> hehe
[18:05] <nsnzero> i use mint too - on another laptop - this 1 is KDE
[18:07] <Sicelo> never used KDE, although i've heard good things about it
[18:07] <SEptic> i alway have a good laugh to myself when theres that communal office sigh about end of day windows upgrades
[18:08] <nsnzero> hi Slcelo - mint made me change to linux but KDE made me stay
[18:09] <SEptic> lol nice
[18:09] <Sicelo> :)
[18:10] <Kilos> hehe
[18:10] <Sicelo> tbh, i spend a lot of my time in a terminal ... can't say that either Gnome or KDE affects my use case much
[18:10] <Sicelo> will test KDE one of these days soon however
[18:10] <nsnzero> SEptic: windows 10 upgrades brings my office network to a stand still - i just disable the upgrader 
[18:11] <Sicelo> nsnzero: WSUS :)
[18:11] <Sicelo> or whatever it's called nowadays
[18:13] <SEptic> ja look, since the whole pushy win10 update story, not interested in running that as my main OS
[18:14] <nsnzero> Sicelo: there is a a version of mint with the KDE Desktop - try it out . it uses KDE 4 which is stable and mature 
[18:14] <SEptic> yes, have to run VMs for proprietary software, but my main OS is mint on SSD 
[18:14] <SEptic> aah ok cool will check
[18:15] <SEptic> boot time is mental
[18:15] <Sicelo> nsnzero: will just install kde on top of this ;)
[18:16] <nsnzero> that works too
[18:17] <Sicelo> jessie seems to have 4.11 .. i guess should be good enought
[18:18] <nsnzero> ms is good at marketing - but win10 it not wining the hearts of all 
[18:19] <SEptic> ... and those useless tiles
[18:19] <SEptic> *puts head in hands*
[18:20] <nsnzero> you can always test KDE Plasma in a VM - its not stable or mature enough for me to recommend - use it just for the challenge of it  
[18:21] <SEptic> yea, dl'ing a bunch of .iso
[18:21] <Sicelo> i've read aobut Plasma too .. aiui it was at least touch-screen focused?
[18:22] <captine> evening all
[18:23] <nsnzero> Sicelo: i dont recall but i guess touch is the new in thing 
[18:23] <Kilos> hi captine 
[18:23] <nsnzero> good evening captine
[18:24] <Sicelo> hi hi captine 
[18:24] <nsnzero> Kilos: how you feeling ?
[18:24] <Kilos> hehe with my hands
[18:24] <Sicelo> yes nsnzero .. i read about it while comparing window managers suitable for tablet us. apparently plasma was making very good progress
[18:24] <Kilos> actually flu is improving ty
[18:27] <nsnzero> Sicelo: while touch looks good (and awesome in the movies) i really not a fan - have a wndows 8 touch tablet lying around somewhere - it never impress me other than the marketing hype 
[18:28] <Sicelo> but if you chroot a linux distro in your android phone for example .. a touch-optimized WM helps
[18:30] <Sicelo> particularly as capacitive touch panels took over the accurate resistive panels of yester-year. unless you pay for some expensive 'modern' stylus/pen
[18:32] <nsnzero> Sicelo: thats true 
[18:33] <Sicelo> just looked at the meeting agenda ... 
[18:34] <Sicelo> does ubuntu-za sometimes organize events?
[18:34] <Kilos> yes when someone has time
[18:35] <Sicelo> where could i see some past events? and past meeting minutes?
[18:36] <Kilos> inetpro ^^
[18:36] <Kilos> superfly ^^
[18:36] <Sicelo> ah .. got the past minutes 
[18:39] <Sicelo> will try to be here for the next meeting as audience :)
[18:39] <SEptic> i'm using hexchat atm, better recommended irc clients?
[18:39] <Kilos> you are welcome
[18:39] <Kilos> on kde?
[18:39] <Kilos> hexchat is good for gnomd
[18:39] <Kilos> e
[18:40] <Sicelo> SEptic: irssi :p
[18:40] <SEptic> mint
[18:40] <Kilos> hexchat is fine imo
[18:40] <SEptic> ah ok cool
[18:40] <Kilos> irssi is hard work
[18:40] <Kilos> for me anyway
[18:41] <SEptic> ... just wondering what all the cool kids are using
[18:41] <Kilos> some guys use quassel then they can bounce wirh cell as well
[18:41] <Sicelo> irssi only for me on everything - laptop/pc/cell
[18:42] <Sicelo> Kilos: XChat dead? used to look good last i used it
[18:42] <nsnzero> hardcore - konversation on kde 
[18:43] <Kilos> un supported last i heard but still works
[18:43] <Sicelo> sucks .. it seemed a good client. i guess hexchat is a fork?
[18:57] <Sicelo> meh ..
[18:57] <Sicelo> split
[18:58] <superfly> ohi Sicelo
[18:58]  * superfly uses Quassel
[18:59] <superfly> (and quasseldroid, and occasionally quassel-webserver)
[18:59] <Sicelo> superfly: ;)
[19:01]  * superfly doesn't know if he qualifies as a cool kid... probably not
[19:16] <SEptic> checking out quassel ...
[19:16] <Kilos> wb everyone
[19:16] <Kilos> major netspit
[19:17] <SEptic> lol i rem splits when i used irc back in the day
[19:17] <Sicelo> :)
[19:18] <SEptic> walk down memory lane this weekend
[19:21] <inetpro> good night everybody 
[19:21] <Kilos> night inetpro 
[19:22] <Sicelo> nighty
[19:24] <SEptic> night
[19:44]  * Sicelo is installing kde now :)
[19:44] <Kilos> lol
[19:45] <Kilos> now we just wait for SEptic 
[19:46] <Kilos> kde might be a bit slow on that lappy
[19:46] <Sicelo> okay .. i'll go back to Gnome then :p
[19:46] <Sicelo> (if it's unusable, that is)
[19:46] <Kilos> try it first though
[19:47] <Kilos> at times its worth waiting for
[19:47] <Kilos> takes some getting used to
[19:47] <SEptic> lol i'm on it
[19:47] <Sicelo> i see it is pulling in vlc as a dependency .. /me has not used vlc in a long time
[19:48] <Kilos> lol
[19:48] <Sicelo> land mysql .. wut :-/
[19:48] <Sicelo> s/land/and/
[19:50] <Sicelo> sqlite too, lol
[19:50] <Sicelo> now i'm wondering what all this stuff gets used for
[19:50] <Sicelo> jre :-/
[19:58] <Sicelo> gd
[20:12] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[20:12] <Kilos> see you tomorrow
[20:12] <Sicelo> nightie Kilos 
[20:26] <SEptic> i'm out
[20:26] <SEptic> moro
[20:50] <Symmetria> sup
[20:51] <Symmetria> ;p
[20:51] <Symmetria> who's awake
[20:52] <Sicelo> me
[20:52] <Sicelo> not happy about KDE, lol (from Gnome)
[20:52] <Symmetria> heh, Im sitting here kinda freaked out haha
[20:52] <Sicelo> Symmetria: any idea how i create/access another workspace in KDE?
[20:53] <Symmetria> so, I knew I had like, a ton of work to complete, Im on a tight deadline, the work requires a crapload of concentration, and I only got 6 hours sleep last night
[20:53] <Symmetria> so at 6am, I get up, I have a cup of coffee
[20:53] <Symmetria> at lunch time, I take 200mgs of provigil (something that was recommended to me and that is avialable in Kenya over the counter)
[20:53] <Sicelo> aw ..  that seems bad
[20:53] <Symmetria> heh, I've now been working for 18 hours straight, my concentration is totally perfect, and I feel like I just woke up for 12 hours of good sleep
[20:54] <Symmetria> its like... I took 10 cups of coffee and got all the alertness but none of the downsides, its... wierd
[20:54] <Symmetria> and no, no idea on KDE :)
[20:56] <Sicelo> i feel like i'm back on Windows :-/
[20:56] <Sicelo> KDE looks good .. no lies
[20:56] <Sicelo> and i see a few things here and there it does better than Gnome .. but err ...
[20:57] <Sicelo> now i have to RTFM before I can use workspaces ... i don't like that .. heck, even win 10 has them now
[20:57] <Symmetria> lol, I refuse to use X as a desktop system, heh, purely because of application support
[20:57] <Symmetria> I stick to linux for servers
[20:57] <Symmetria> windows 10 for desktop 
[20:57] <Symmetria> and osx for notebooks 
[20:58] <Symmetria> (I'd love to run OSX as primary but osx without apple hardware doesnt work terribly well and I cant get apple hardware big enough to replace my current desktop specs)
[20:58] <Sicelo> and some of us have no will to pay $$$ to apple anyway
[20:59] <Symmetria> heh for me, I'd pay for it if I could find a machine that could do what my other desktop system can in terms of specs
[20:59] <Symmetria> lol, hardware is the one thing I never go cheap on 
[21:00] <Symmetria> http://server.alstonnetworks.net/photos/IMG_0184.JPG
[21:00] <Symmetria> my office at home ;p
[21:01] <Sicelo> you have the money to pay for it .. 
[21:01] <Symmetria> Sicelo lol, some of it, the rest I find reasons to make the company pay for ;p
[21:01] <Sicelo> nice setup there .. what you do with it?
[21:01] <Sicelo> at least you also have someone to pull strings with, lol ..
[21:02] <Symmetria> Sicelo heh, I work for a very large telco/ISP, as group head of strategy
[21:02] <Symmetria> so everything from monitoring the network to network designs to working on 50 routers at once 
[21:02] <Symmetria> heh, also video conferencing and everything else
[21:02] <Sicelo> okay .. makes sense
[21:02] <Symmetria> (you'll notice the cisco telepresence camera on the top of the monitor on the far right)
[21:02] <Symmetria> thats a high def VC camera
[21:03] <Symmetria> Sicelo lol, the other stuff is mostly disk space - the problems of 2 much bandwidth, it leads to 2 much disk space
[21:03] <Symmetria> ;p
[21:04] <Sicelo> (got workspaces now .. the call them desktops)
[21:04] <Sicelo> now, to find focus-follows-mouse
[21:04] <Sicelo> you're living the life ;)
[21:04] <Symmetria> btw, the reason I actually came in here, is anyone in here on FTTH 
[21:04] <Symmetria> with proper bandwidth?
[21:04] <Symmetria> I wanna do a speed / transfer test from where I am to someone on one of the FTTH ISP's in ZA
[21:05] <Sicelo> i think people are sleeping .. i already can't buy an old apple .. so ftth is a dream i won't be realizing anytime soon, lol
[21:05] <Symmetria> LOL, bandwidth for me is the one thing I DON'T pay for at all
[21:05] <Symmetria> (and I have stupid amounts of it, haha, especially considering I'm in Kenya)
[21:06]  * Symmetria has 2 x 10G fibers into his house
[21:06] <Symmetria> lol
[21:09] <Sicelo> nice
[21:09] <Symmetria> I'm gonna cry if I ever move back to ZA
[21:10] <Symmetria> and have to go back to like, normal people bandwidth
[21:10] <Symmetria> hehe
[21:11] <Sicelo> i say ZA has quite good b/w ... i come from Swaziland ..
[21:11] <Symmetria> Sicelo ZA bandwidth in terms of the rest of the world, and even in terms of the rest of east africa
[21:11] <Symmetria> sucks :)
[21:11] <Symmetria> but its all relative
[21:12] <Sicelo> you don't want to be in Swaziland .. trust me
[21:13] <Symmetria> lol, I know the problems with swazi, I used to supply the bandwidth for the university there
[21:13] <Symmetria> and I saw the costs involved and the tiny amounts
[21:13] <Sicelo> exactly
[21:14] <Symmetria> heh we supply bandwidth into lesotho, but not swaziland
[21:14] <Symmetria> maybe one day we'll start supplying there as well
[21:14] <Symmetria> :P I won't stop until we supply the whole continent hehe
[21:14] <Symmetria> (we also just bought out neotel)
[21:16] <Sicelo> maybe
[21:16] <Symmetria> Neotel is gonna be a fun project when I start working on that network
[21:19] <Sicelo> test
[21:19] <Sicelo> ah .. focus follows mouse done
[21:20]  * Sicelo no longer unhappy about KDE .. just harder to find some of the settings here
[21:20] <Symmetria> btw, whoever designed the cacti database backend
[21:20] <Symmetria> needs a slap for making it horribly bloody complex 
[21:22] <Sicelo> dunno it .. 
[21:23] <Sicelo> this? http://www.cacti.net/downloads/docs/html/unix_configure_cacti.html
[21:23] <Symmetria> yeah, its a monitoring / graphing tool
[21:24] <Symmetria> except, heh, I needed a way to show me information differently so I was accessing the backend database to figure out what RRD's were where and draw my own status page 
[21:27]  * Symmetria just discovered he could run 100gigabit over the same band spacing as a single 10gigabit using alien wave over 600 kilometers
[21:31] <Sicelo> what ISP you're with?
[21:32] <Symmetria> I work for Liquid Telecom group 
[21:33] <Sicelo> will check them out tomorrow .. i should be heading for bed soonish