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clivejovalorie: what video driver do you use?00:05
valoriethe free one I think00:05
clivejocan you try another snapshot00:06
clivejobut this time do an upgrade before adding the ppa00:06
valoriedist-upgrade, or full-upgrade?00:07
valoriedid full00:09
valorieit's still workin'00:13
clivejoso its fully updated and rebooted?00:14
valorie79%......00:14
clivejooh00:14
valorieit seems to have slowed way down, dunno why00:19
valorieflashplugin isn't that big!00:20
mamarleyclivejo: Sure, in maybe 45min?  Sorry, I was busy for a bit.00:30
clivejomamarley: no problem, Ill probably be in bed, but sure ping me with the results if you can00:32
mamarleySure!00:34
valorieok, updated and rebooted00:34
mamarleyThanks for working so hard on this!  We really appreciate it!00:35
valorieand is "dist-upgrade" required, or is "full-upgrade" acceptable00:36
valorie?00:36
valorieoh, it says full-upgrade; nothing to upgrade!00:37
valorieoh pfff, wrong ppa00:37
clivejowell I dont like the wallpaper!00:39
valorieah, I always change to my astronomy pics instead anyway00:39
valorieone per hour00:39
valorieok, full-upgrade working away00:40
valorienow for my elusive Arthur Crozier00:40
clivejohttps://s31.postimg.org/evfvy6jqj/Screenshot_20160718_014006.png00:41
clivejoand I dont like the inactive windows00:41
valorieinactive?00:42
clivejoyeah, its like a weird shadow effect00:43
clivejomight be a broken package00:43
clivejodoesnt look right00:43
clivejoanyways, time for bed00:46
valorielooks successful this time, clivejo00:57
valoriehttp://paste.ubuntu.com/19844371/00:57
valoriereboots flawlessly and everthing00:59
valoriesleep well and thank you for all your work, clivejo01:04
IrcsomeBot<Clifford> Valorie do you see the shadows?01:06
valorieno01:07
valoriejust installed kpat and everything works and looks perfect01:09
valorieand I won kpat in 106 moves01:13
valorie5.7.1 seems awesomesauce01:13
valoriesomebody should update the /topic01:14
IrcsomeBot<Clifford> Not yet01:15
IrcsomeBot<Clifford> Still bit of work needed01:16
valorieok01:18
IrcsomeBot<Clifford> Its removing a few essential packages01:18
IrcsomeBot<Clifford> They need rebuilt with Qt 5.6.101:18
valorieah, I see01:19
IrcsomeBot<Clifford> And I need help and advice on what to do with those01:22
mamarleyclivejo: Looking good to me too.  I have spotted a few bugs, but I am pretty sure those are code bugs and not packaging bugs.  Good job!01:27
IrcsomeBot<Clifford> What bugs?01:35
* valorie thinks clifford must be typing in his sleep01:38
IrcsomeBot<Clifford> Its too hot and sticky here tonight01:39
IrcsomeBot<Clifford> Can't sleep01:40
valorieI guess I'll go clear up my piles of weeds before the skeeters come out01:41
IrcsomeBot<Clifford> The what?01:41
valorieok, weeds cleared02:42
mamarleyclivejo: Mosquitoes.  Annoying little bloodsuckers with an itchy bite.  We've got tons of them here in 'Murica.02:53
mamarleyThe bugs are an empty position at the right of the system tray when it is configured to show all icons and no shadow/translucency on Plasma panels when the system first starts.02:54
mamarleyThe latter can be worked around by restarting plasmashell.02:54
mamarleyAlso, the window border theme changes to Plastik on upgrade.02:55
valoriethat's a weird bug03:26
valorieis there some theme package missing or so?03:26
mamarleyNope, once I switch it back to Breeze it works fine.03:31
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santa_morning08:18
jimarvangood morning! :)08:31
acheronukok. what did I miss?10:11
acheronukAn old friend from uni visited, and that was the weekend. 10:13
mamarleyAnother little nit I found is that there is no icon for the KF5 version of KRDC, but that is applications and not plasma.10:38
soeeicon is rather in Framewoks10:39
soeeif it is part of Breeze10:39
IrcsomeBot<Clifford> Oh that might be my issue with window border10:47
clivejoyes, thats what the issue was10:59
clivejoswitched window decorations back to plasma and they look nice again10:59
clivejoacheronuk: https://s31.postimg.org/evfvy6jqj/Screenshot_20160718_014006.png11:00
clivejois Qt 5.6.1 ready for Xenial?11:06
clivejois 16.04.01 out yet?11:32
blazeclivejo: do you mean ubuntu lts?11:37
clivejoyes11:37
blazeclivejo: you can check if isos are available11:37
clivejoI have a Windows 10 laptop I want to make useable again11:37
clivejoblaze: are you a KDE Dev?11:38
blazeno, just some indie dev11:39
clivejoI would check if I could remember where they put them!11:39
clivejomy goldfish brain can one deal with one thing at a time11:39
blazeclivejo: look here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/11:39
blazeno updates so far11:39
yofel16.04.1 is thursday11:40
clivejoah11:41
yofelyou could try the daily build from friday http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/xenial/daily-live/11:41
clivejoyofel: how do I rebuild these packages with Qt5.6.1?11:42
yofelwhich ones?11:42
clivejojust upload a PPA version to staging-plasma?11:42
clivejoapport-kde apturl-kde fcitx-frontend-qt5 kde-style-qtcurve-qt5 kubuntu-driver-manager kubuntu-notification-helper libnss3-nssdb libtaskmanager5 plasma-discover python3-pyqt511:43
clivejo  software-properties-kde11:43
clivejoall packages the system wants to remove to install 5.7.111:44
yofelmost of that sounds python3-pyqt5 related, so start with that11:44
yofelbut yeah, it's just running dch -R, adding a ppa suffix and uploading to the PPA11:45
yofeland hoping that it builds11:45
clivejodid you say Qt 5.6.1 was copied over for Xenial as well?11:45
clivejodo you still have frameworks 5.24 locally?11:45
yofelyes, no11:46
yofelwell, xenial *CI*11:46
clivejoare they working?11:46
clivejoacheronuk: ^11:46
yofelCI seems to have less failures than before, so I would say ~yes. Not sure if they're good for public consumption though11:47
clivejoI was going to backport FW5.2411:47
clivejomaybe this evening11:47
yofelfeel free to. I think a rebuild against our official qt 5.6.1 packages will be enough once those are in yakkety. What we have now is good enough for staging11:48
clivejoany idea when the "official" ones wil be released?11:49
yofel"before yakkety FF" was the last I read.11:52
clivejothey will hardly be backported?11:53
yofelwhich is exactly one month from now11:53
yofelthat I don't know. But IIRC nobody had plans for that11:53
clivejobe a good way of getting eyes on 5.7.*11:54
clivejonot many people on yakkety yet :(11:54
clivejodo you think it is worth trying to backport FW5.24/Plasma5.7.1 to Xenial?11:55
clivejoor just opening a can of worms11:55
yofelyes, after all we said we would backport 5.8 as well11:56
clivejowe did?11:56
yofelwell, I did at least11:56
clivejowho, when, where?11:56
yofelso feel free to start the FW backporing (remember to copy qt first)11:56
santa_clivejo: before you start backporting I plan to send 3/4 merge requests for frameworks very soon11:56
yofelI'll look at the transition tracker for 5.6.1 once frameworks and plasma are in backports-landing. For yakkety, you're on your own11:57
clivejosanta_: oh?11:57
yofelframeworks or automation?11:57
santa_well, both11:57
santa_I already have the stuff for automation11:57
yofelah packaging. (I read upstream)11:57
yofelmonday11:58
clivejosanta_:  is there any way to select a cascade build dependancy bump?11:58
clivejoso for plasma, bump both FW and Plasma build deps?11:59
clivejoand maybe even Qt deps?11:59
santa_clivejo: I have a patch for that12:00
santa_I can make something for qt also12:00
clivejocan it be made that we select it via parameter passed to script?12:01
santa_yes12:01
santa_clivejo: here https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/+git/kubuntu-automation/+ref/work12:01
santa_what do you want to do would be12:02
santa_inside your plasma directory:12:02
santa_dev-package-names-list -d yakkety -r plasma -m frameworks12:02
santa_you can also do more than one "merge"12:04
clivejocould we specify the version12:04
santa_why?12:04
clivejojust have the package names in the dev lists12:04
santa_the reason why the versions are in the json is because different packages mya have different versions, soo better to find out them dinamically12:05
santa_s/mya/may/12:06
clivejoI guess in my mind just makes the script more flexable to do non-workflow jobs too12:06
santa_for exaple packages with epoch vs packages without epoch12:07
santa_or some had a completely different version, for instance extra-cmake-modules (at least in the past)12:07
clivejowith the lack of people power, we seem to deviate from workflow a bit12:08
santa_I will have some time these days to help12:09
yofelkdelibs still diverges (which is actually not respected in versions.json)12:09
santa_yeah12:09
yofelah right, it's in packaging-exceptions12:10
santa_so I would say lets go with that patches if there isn't any other further objections12:10
santa_yeah something to get rid of are the dupe info about "exceptions"12:11
clivejowould you mind calling it something othe than merge?12:11
santa_of course not12:11
clivejomaybe bump12:11
santa_what about "-c"/"--cascade" ?12:12
clivejosometimes we might not want a cascade bump12:13
clivejofor example a version of plasma will have a minium FW it needs12:14
santa_sure, so you skip the option and that's it12:14
clivejoand Plasma 5.7.1 needs Qt5.6.112:14
clivejoId like a way to reflect that while staging12:15
santa_I will extend the tooling a bit for qt12:16
santa_so how do you want to name the option?12:17
santa_cascade? something else?12:17
santa_"-e"/"--extra"?12:17
BluesKajHiyas all13:19
yofelOpenSSL::SSL::SSLError13:28
yofeloh come on13:28
yofelhi BluesKaj13:28
BluesKajhi yofel13:28
clivejomy notes icons in Kontact have disappeared :(13:54
santa_clivejo: yo, merge requests for fw done14:17
santa_they were 3 libraries failing to build because of missing leaked "private" symbols14:18
yofelsanta_: private from qt 5.6?14:24
yofelsanta_: and against what exactly where you building?14:26
santa_yofel: symbols not actually in the fw libraries, but if that's the question I have built against whatever is in yakkety14:26
santa_http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/logs/bluez-qt_5.24.0-0ubuntu1+santa3_amd64.build14:27
santa_↑ example14:27
yofelyeah, that sounds like Qt14:27
yofelstill, with 5.6 you *have* that symbol, so instead of removing it the symbols need to be marked as (optional=qtinternal) or something like that14:28
yofel(vanilla yakkety has 5.5)14:29
santa_I see14:29
santa_yofel: where's qt 5.6?14:29
yofelI wonder if we have an official tag for internal qt symbols..14:29
santa_what ppa14:29
yofelkubuntu-ppa/staging-frameworks and kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma14:30
santa_?!14:30
santa_no separate ppa for qt5.6?14:30
yofellast I checked (a while ago), there were no official 5.6.1 builds, just some 5.6.0 testbuilds14:31
yofelMirv_ was on vacation for quite a while14:31
clivejowe are using Riks builds - https://launchpad.net/~acheron/+archive/ubuntu/qt5test14:31
clivejobasically to get working on Plasma5.7.114:32
clivejohe based in on Debian14:32
santa_are that builds going to get into yakkety?14:33
clivejonot those ones14:33
clivejobut rebuilds based on this packaging14:33
clivejowhen the official Qt lands in yakkety14:34
clivejofor Xenial probably will publish these builds, when we get that far14:34
yofelhm no, nothing new in landing-02414:34
clivejocurrent status of Plasma 5.7.1 - http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/build_status_5.7.1_yakkety.html14:35
clivejoIm actually running it on my system at the moment14:36
clivejoQt 5.6.1 (Rik's build), FW 5.24 and Plasma 5.7.114:36
yofelsanta_: another thing with the symbols. Please check if the symbols are actually qt internal or if they are from some #ifdef qt >= 5.6 code. I haven't looked at all of them yet14:37
clivejoyofel: should I have marked them some way?14:37
yofelclivejo: no, at least you wouldn't have known that it might've been necessary. For our purpose the symbol files are good as they are14:38
clivejoor should batchpatch do that?14:38
santa_are you going to upload something before qt 5.6 gets into yakkety?14:39
yofelnah, batchpatch did what it could14:39
yofelsanta_: I don't intend to14:39
clivejosanta_: I dont have upload rights so not I14:39
clivejobut I do want to get it into landing PPA's and get users eyes on it14:40
santa_ok, lets put that merge requests on hold14:41
santa_what about my automation stuff? can we merge the work branch so I would start working on the qt build dependency bump?14:42
clivejoI intend to move Qt5.6.1 to staging-frameworks and start a backport for FW5.24 later on14:42
clivejothe Qt bump will probably have to wait to the next version I think14:43
yofelsanta_: looking14:43
clivejoFW5.25 and Plasma5.7.214:43
yofelsanta_: warnings.simplefilter('ignore', FutureWarning) #Ignore the warnings from python-debian14:47
yofel?!?14:47
santa_yofel: comment out the line and see14:48
santa_yofel: yes it could filter out a bit more than what it should but not a big deal imho14:49
yofelsanta_: http://sprunge.us/jQBG14:51
santa_yofel: that script is part of the ng tooling, it's meant to be called inside a pkgname/git/ directory14:52
yofelI ran it inside of a clone of plasma-workspace14:53
yofelhence the full path14:53
yofelpwd would've been /tmp/pkg/plasma-workspace14:53
santa_should be /tmp/pkg/plasma-workspace/git/14:54
blazehmm, isn't qt5.7 planned for 16.10?14:54
yofelsanta_: I did not clone using the tooling14:55
yofelit *can* read debian/changelog, otherwise it would've failed earlier14:55
yofelit doesn't find plasma-workspace in any of the ftp maps and thus never sets a version14:56
santa_nope14:56
santa_it doesn't find out well the package name14:56
santa_right now it tries to find out looking for the directory name14:56
santa_but that will be improved in the future14:57
yofeloh, I see -.-14:57
yofelyeah, upstream_name gets set to pkg14:57
santa_once we make sure we are dep 12 compatible14:58
santa_http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep12/14:58
santa_we can find out the upstream name from there14:58
santa_but I prefer to work on that later14:58
yofelsanta_: merged14:59
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santa_yofel: awesome, thanks!14:59
Mirvyofel: Qt 5.6.1 now started, new issues on s390x/armhf though in addition to existing old ones. there is now one upstream s390x test case submitted though at least so hopefully we will get somewhere.15:13
yofelMirv: great! thanks for the update15:14
Mirvbuild failures need to be fixed for yakkety at minimum, others may be potentially postponed since yakkety is not at the moment a base of stable phone updates for example15:15
santa_yofel: btw, it seems kdelibs is the one and only package whose git repository doesn't match the upstream name15:19
santa_... which is bad because it forces to add "exceptions" in the automation which is a very bad thing15:20
yofelyeah, it is15:21
yofelI don't really want to fix it either though, as the original idea was to just "remove it when it dies"15:21
yofelbut that thing feels somewhat immortal15:21
santa_is it possible to symlink kdelibs.git to kde4libs.git?15:22
yofelno15:22
santa_in alioth it would have been possible, not sure about lp15:22
santa_ouch15:22
yofelTBH, I wouldn't implement it in the new tooling15:22
yofeljust do it by hand15:22
santa_the exceptions thing? no way15:22
jimarvansee ya later guys16:12
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* clivejo wonders if acheronuk is ok18:58
clivejoyofel: Im going to make a start on backporting FW18:59
clivejoCopied Qt 5.6.1 to staging-frameworks18:59
clivejoif they ever publish19:00
valorieweeee, so cool to see progress19:48
valoriedo we have to do anything special for the xenial LTS upgrade coming soon?19:48
clivejoI need air conditioning19:50
mamarleyclivejo++19:51
mamarleyAir conditioning is the most wonderful invention.19:51
clivejotooo hot today19:51
clivejothats not something you here very often in Ireland19:51
clivejohear19:51
mamarleyIt is about 32.5degC where I live today, and this weekend it is forecast to be 37degC!19:52
clivejowow19:52
clivejowhere are you?19:52
valorieit never was a thing until recently here19:53
mamarleyCary, North Carolina, USA19:53
valorienot much use this year though!19:53
valorie20 and raining now19:53
valoriethis summer is like my childhood summers, and what everyone thinks of Seattle already19:54
valorie:-)19:54
clivejoit reached a high of 25C here today19:54
mamarleyAround here nearly every house and every car has air conditioning.  Even the crappiest "housing project" apartments in the crappiest sections of towns have air conditioning.19:55
valorieI'm fine with the rain and not having to water the plants19:55
clivejoour highest this year19:55
mamarleyclivejo: That temperature is just two degrees above the set temperature on my air conditioner!19:57
mamarleyWell, 2degF anyway.19:57
mamarleyAs much as I like Celsius, I don't really have as good of a feel for it as I do for Fahrenheit.19:58
* mamarley wonders why the US can't switch to Metric already.19:59
valoriewe're dumb19:59
clivejoconfuse too many people19:59
mamarleyvalorie: Yep, I have to agree with you on that one…20:00
valoriedumb, fat and should-be-happy-but-instead-grumpy20:00
* clivejo sings20:00
* mamarley is smart (or so he is told, anyway, but he isn't sure he believes it), skinny, and is actually rather happy right now, for reasons beyond logic…20:01
valorieI'm happy too, in spite of finding out on the Internet that my aunt passed a few years ago20:02
clivejowell thats one way to mow a meadow! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np-57ijJs3A20:07
valoriethat is the wrong sort of mower!20:10
valoriemy grandpa had one that looked like giant hair clippers20:11
valoriehe cut his own oat hay for the cows' winter fodder20:11
clivejoleavin on a jet plane, dunno went Ill be back again20:22
* clivejo pokes LP20:58

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