[00:05] <clivejo> valorie: what video driver do you use?
[00:05] <valorie> the free one I think
[00:06] <clivejo> can you try another snapshot
[00:06] <clivejo> but this time do an upgrade before adding the ppa
[00:07] <valorie> dist-upgrade, or full-upgrade?
[00:09] <valorie> did full
[00:13] <valorie> it's still workin'
[00:14] <clivejo> so its fully updated and rebooted?
[00:14] <valorie> 79%......
[00:14] <clivejo> oh
[00:19] <valorie> it seems to have slowed way down, dunno why
[00:20] <valorie> flashplugin isn't that big!
[00:30] <mamarley> clivejo: Sure, in maybe 45min?  Sorry, I was busy for a bit.
[00:32] <clivejo> mamarley: no problem, Ill probably be in bed, but sure ping me with the results if you can
[00:34] <mamarley> Sure!
[00:34] <valorie> ok, updated and rebooted
[00:35] <mamarley> Thanks for working so hard on this!  We really appreciate it!
[00:36] <valorie> and is "dist-upgrade" required, or is "full-upgrade" acceptable
[00:36] <valorie> ?
[00:37] <valorie> oh, it says full-upgrade; nothing to upgrade!
[00:37] <valorie> oh pfff, wrong ppa
[00:39] <clivejo> well I dont like the wallpaper!
[00:39] <valorie> ah, I always change to my astronomy pics instead anyway
[00:39] <valorie> one per hour
[00:40] <valorie> ok, full-upgrade working away
[00:40] <valorie> now for my elusive Arthur Crozier
[00:41] <clivejo> https://s31.postimg.org/evfvy6jqj/Screenshot_20160718_014006.png
[00:41] <clivejo> and I dont like the inactive windows
[00:42] <valorie> inactive?
[00:43] <clivejo> yeah, its like a weird shadow effect
[00:43] <clivejo> might be a broken package
[00:43] <clivejo> doesnt look right
[00:46] <clivejo> anyways, time for bed
[00:57] <valorie> looks successful this time, clivejo
[00:57] <valorie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19844371/
[00:59] <valorie> reboots flawlessly and everthing
[01:04] <valorie> sleep well and thank you for all your work, clivejo
 Valorie do you see the shadows?
[01:07] <valorie> no
[01:09] <valorie> just installed kpat and everything works and looks perfect
[01:13] <valorie> and I won kpat in 106 moves
[01:13] <valorie> 5.7.1 seems awesomesauce
[01:14] <valorie> somebody should update the /topic
 Not yet
 Still bit of work needed
[01:18] <valorie> ok
 Its removing a few essential packages
 They need rebuilt with Qt 5.6.1
[01:19] <valorie> ah, I see
 And I need help and advice on what to do with those
[01:27] <mamarley> clivejo: Looking good to me too.  I have spotted a few bugs, but I am pretty sure those are code bugs and not packaging bugs.  Good job!
 What bugs?
[01:38]  * valorie thinks clifford must be typing in his sleep
 Its too hot and sticky here tonight
 Can't sleep
[01:41] <valorie> I guess I'll go clear up my piles of weeds before the skeeters come out
 The what?
[02:42] <valorie> ok, weeds cleared
[02:53] <mamarley> clivejo: Mosquitoes.  Annoying little bloodsuckers with an itchy bite.  We've got tons of them here in 'Murica.
[02:54] <mamarley> The bugs are an empty position at the right of the system tray when it is configured to show all icons and no shadow/translucency on Plasma panels when the system first starts.
[02:54] <mamarley> The latter can be worked around by restarting plasmashell.
[02:55] <mamarley> Also, the window border theme changes to Plastik on upgrade.
[03:26] <valorie> that's a weird bug
[03:26] <valorie> is there some theme package missing or so?
[03:31] <mamarley> Nope, once I switch it back to Breeze it works fine.
[08:18] <santa_> morning
[08:31] <jimarvan> good morning! :)
[10:11] <acheronuk> ok. what did I miss?
[10:13] <acheronuk> An old friend from uni visited, and that was the weekend. 
[10:38] <mamarley> Another little nit I found is that there is no icon for the KF5 version of KRDC, but that is applications and not plasma.
[10:39] <soee> icon is rather in Framewoks
[10:39] <soee> if it is part of Breeze
 Oh that might be my issue with window border
[10:59] <clivejo> yes, thats what the issue was
[10:59] <clivejo> switched window decorations back to plasma and they look nice again
[11:00] <clivejo> acheronuk: https://s31.postimg.org/evfvy6jqj/Screenshot_20160718_014006.png
[11:06] <clivejo> is Qt 5.6.1 ready for Xenial?
[11:32] <clivejo> is 16.04.01 out yet?
[11:37] <blaze> clivejo: do you mean ubuntu lts?
[11:37] <clivejo> yes
[11:37] <blaze> clivejo: you can check if isos are available
[11:37] <clivejo> I have a Windows 10 laptop I want to make useable again
[11:38] <clivejo> blaze: are you a KDE Dev?
[11:39] <blaze> no, just some indie dev
[11:39] <clivejo> I would check if I could remember where they put them!
[11:39] <clivejo> my goldfish brain can one deal with one thing at a time
[11:39] <blaze> clivejo: look here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/
[11:39] <blaze> no updates so far
[11:40] <yofel> 16.04.1 is thursday
[11:41] <clivejo> ah
[11:41] <yofel> you could try the daily build from friday http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/xenial/daily-live/
[11:42] <clivejo> yofel: how do I rebuild these packages with Qt5.6.1?
[11:42] <yofel> which ones?
[11:42] <clivejo> just upload a PPA version to staging-plasma?
[11:43] <clivejo> apport-kde apturl-kde fcitx-frontend-qt5 kde-style-qtcurve-qt5 kubuntu-driver-manager kubuntu-notification-helper libnss3-nssdb libtaskmanager5 plasma-discover python3-pyqt5
[11:43] <clivejo>   software-properties-kde
[11:44] <clivejo> all packages the system wants to remove to install 5.7.1
[11:44] <yofel> most of that sounds python3-pyqt5 related, so start with that
[11:45] <yofel> but yeah, it's just running dch -R, adding a ppa suffix and uploading to the PPA
[11:45] <yofel> and hoping that it builds
[11:45] <clivejo> did you say Qt 5.6.1 was copied over for Xenial as well?
[11:45] <clivejo> do you still have frameworks 5.24 locally?
[11:46] <yofel> yes, no
[11:46] <yofel> well, xenial *CI*
[11:46] <clivejo> are they working?
[11:46] <clivejo> acheronuk: ^
[11:47] <yofel> CI seems to have less failures than before, so I would say ~yes. Not sure if they're good for public consumption though
[11:47] <clivejo> I was going to backport FW5.24
[11:47] <clivejo> maybe this evening
[11:48] <yofel> feel free to. I think a rebuild against our official qt 5.6.1 packages will be enough once those are in yakkety. What we have now is good enough for staging
[11:49] <clivejo> any idea when the "official" ones wil be released?
[11:52] <yofel> "before yakkety FF" was the last I read.
[11:53] <clivejo> they will hardly be backported?
[11:53] <yofel> which is exactly one month from now
[11:53] <yofel> that I don't know. But IIRC nobody had plans for that
[11:54] <clivejo> be a good way of getting eyes on 5.7.*
[11:54] <clivejo> not many people on yakkety yet :(
[11:55] <clivejo> do you think it is worth trying to backport FW5.24/Plasma5.7.1 to Xenial?
[11:55] <clivejo> or just opening a can of worms
[11:56] <yofel> yes, after all we said we would backport 5.8 as well
[11:56] <clivejo> we did?
[11:56] <yofel> well, I did at least
[11:56] <clivejo> who, when, where?
[11:56] <yofel> so feel free to start the FW backporing (remember to copy qt first)
[11:56] <santa_> clivejo: before you start backporting I plan to send 3/4 merge requests for frameworks very soon
[11:57] <yofel> I'll look at the transition tracker for 5.6.1 once frameworks and plasma are in backports-landing. For yakkety, you're on your own
[11:57] <clivejo> santa_: oh?
[11:57] <yofel> frameworks or automation?
[11:57] <santa_> well, both
[11:57] <santa_> I already have the stuff for automation
[11:57] <yofel> ah packaging. (I read upstream)
[11:58] <yofel> monday
[11:58] <clivejo> santa_:  is there any way to select a cascade build dependancy bump?
[11:59] <clivejo> so for plasma, bump both FW and Plasma build deps?
[11:59] <clivejo> and maybe even Qt deps?
[12:00] <santa_> clivejo: I have a patch for that
[12:00] <santa_> I can make something for qt also
[12:01] <clivejo> can it be made that we select it via parameter passed to script?
[12:01] <santa_> yes
[12:01] <santa_> clivejo: here https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/+git/kubuntu-automation/+ref/work
[12:02] <santa_> what do you want to do would be
[12:02] <santa_> inside your plasma directory:
[12:02] <santa_> dev-package-names-list -d yakkety -r plasma -m frameworks
[12:04] <santa_> you can also do more than one "merge"
[12:04] <clivejo> could we specify the version
[12:04] <santa_> why?
[12:04] <clivejo> just have the package names in the dev lists
[12:05] <santa_> the reason why the versions are in the json is because different packages mya have different versions, soo better to find out them dinamically
[12:06] <santa_> s/mya/may/
[12:06] <clivejo> I guess in my mind just makes the script more flexable to do non-workflow jobs too
[12:07] <santa_> for exaple packages with epoch vs packages without epoch
[12:07] <santa_> or some had a completely different version, for instance extra-cmake-modules (at least in the past)
[12:08] <clivejo> with the lack of people power, we seem to deviate from workflow a bit
[12:09] <santa_> I will have some time these days to help
[12:09] <yofel> kdelibs still diverges (which is actually not respected in versions.json)
[12:09] <santa_> yeah
[12:10] <yofel> ah right, it's in packaging-exceptions
[12:10] <santa_> so I would say lets go with that patches if there isn't any other further objections
[12:11] <santa_> yeah something to get rid of are the dupe info about "exceptions"
[12:11] <clivejo> would you mind calling it something othe than merge?
[12:11] <santa_> of course not
[12:11] <clivejo> maybe bump
[12:12] <santa_> what about "-c"/"--cascade" ?
[12:13] <clivejo> sometimes we might not want a cascade bump
[12:14] <clivejo> for example a version of plasma will have a minium FW it needs
[12:14] <santa_> sure, so you skip the option and that's it
[12:14] <clivejo> and Plasma 5.7.1 needs Qt5.6.1
[12:15] <clivejo> Id like a way to reflect that while staging
[12:16] <santa_> I will extend the tooling a bit for qt
[12:17] <santa_> so how do you want to name the option?
[12:17] <santa_> cascade? something else?
[12:17] <santa_> "-e"/"--extra"?
[13:19] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:28] <yofel> OpenSSL::SSL::SSLError
[13:28] <yofel> oh come on
[13:28] <yofel> hi BluesKaj
[13:28] <BluesKaj> hi yofel
[13:54] <clivejo> my notes icons in Kontact have disappeared :(
[14:17] <santa_> clivejo: yo, merge requests for fw done
[14:18] <santa_> they were 3 libraries failing to build because of missing leaked "private" symbols
[14:24] <yofel> santa_: private from qt 5.6?
[14:26] <yofel> santa_: and against what exactly where you building?
[14:26] <santa_> yofel: symbols not actually in the fw libraries, but if that's the question I have built against whatever is in yakkety
[14:27] <santa_> http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/logs/bluez-qt_5.24.0-0ubuntu1+santa3_amd64.build
[14:27] <santa_> ↑ example
[14:27] <yofel> yeah, that sounds like Qt
[14:28] <yofel> still, with 5.6 you *have* that symbol, so instead of removing it the symbols need to be marked as (optional=qtinternal) or something like that
[14:29] <yofel> (vanilla yakkety has 5.5)
[14:29] <santa_> I see
[14:29] <santa_> yofel: where's qt 5.6?
[14:29] <yofel> I wonder if we have an official tag for internal qt symbols..
[14:29] <santa_> what ppa
[14:30] <yofel> kubuntu-ppa/staging-frameworks and kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma
[14:30] <santa_> ?!
[14:30] <santa_> no separate ppa for qt5.6?
[14:31] <yofel> last I checked (a while ago), there were no official 5.6.1 builds, just some 5.6.0 testbuilds
[14:31] <yofel> Mirv_ was on vacation for quite a while
[14:31] <clivejo> we are using Riks builds - https://launchpad.net/~acheron/+archive/ubuntu/qt5test
[14:32] <clivejo> basically to get working on Plasma5.7.1
[14:32] <clivejo> he based in on Debian
[14:33] <santa_> are that builds going to get into yakkety?
[14:33] <clivejo> not those ones
[14:33] <clivejo> but rebuilds based on this packaging
[14:34] <clivejo> when the official Qt lands in yakkety
[14:34] <clivejo> for Xenial probably will publish these builds, when we get that far
[14:34] <yofel> hm no, nothing new in landing-024
[14:35] <clivejo> current status of Plasma 5.7.1 - http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/build_status_5.7.1_yakkety.html
[14:36] <clivejo> Im actually running it on my system at the moment
[14:36] <clivejo> Qt 5.6.1 (Rik's build), FW 5.24 and Plasma 5.7.1
[14:37] <yofel> santa_: another thing with the symbols. Please check if the symbols are actually qt internal or if they are from some #ifdef qt >= 5.6 code. I haven't looked at all of them yet
[14:37] <clivejo> yofel: should I have marked them some way?
[14:38] <yofel> clivejo: no, at least you wouldn't have known that it might've been necessary. For our purpose the symbol files are good as they are
[14:38] <clivejo> or should batchpatch do that?
[14:39] <santa_> are you going to upload something before qt 5.6 gets into yakkety?
[14:39] <yofel> nah, batchpatch did what it could
[14:39] <yofel> santa_: I don't intend to
[14:39] <clivejo> santa_: I dont have upload rights so not I
[14:40] <clivejo> but I do want to get it into landing PPA's and get users eyes on it
[14:41] <santa_> ok, lets put that merge requests on hold
[14:42] <santa_> what about my automation stuff? can we merge the work branch so I would start working on the qt build dependency bump?
[14:42] <clivejo> I intend to move Qt5.6.1 to staging-frameworks and start a backport for FW5.24 later on
[14:43] <clivejo> the Qt bump will probably have to wait to the next version I think
[14:43] <yofel> santa_: looking
[14:43] <clivejo> FW5.25 and Plasma5.7.2
[14:47] <yofel> santa_: warnings.simplefilter('ignore', FutureWarning) #Ignore the warnings from python-debian
[14:47] <yofel> ?!?
[14:48] <santa_> yofel: comment out the line and see
[14:49] <santa_> yofel: yes it could filter out a bit more than what it should but not a big deal imho
[14:51] <yofel> santa_: http://sprunge.us/jQBG
[14:52] <santa_> yofel: that script is part of the ng tooling, it's meant to be called inside a pkgname/git/ directory
[14:53] <yofel> I ran it inside of a clone of plasma-workspace
[14:53] <yofel> hence the full path
[14:53] <yofel> pwd would've been /tmp/pkg/plasma-workspace
[14:54] <santa_> should be /tmp/pkg/plasma-workspace/git/
[14:54] <blaze> hmm, isn't qt5.7 planned for 16.10?
[14:55] <yofel> santa_: I did not clone using the tooling
[14:55] <yofel> it *can* read debian/changelog, otherwise it would've failed earlier
[14:56] <yofel> it doesn't find plasma-workspace in any of the ftp maps and thus never sets a version
[14:56] <santa_> nope
[14:56] <santa_> it doesn't find out well the package name
[14:56] <santa_> right now it tries to find out looking for the directory name
[14:57] <santa_> but that will be improved in the future
[14:57] <yofel> oh, I see -.-
[14:57] <yofel> yeah, upstream_name gets set to pkg
[14:58] <santa_> once we make sure we are dep 12 compatible
[14:58] <santa_> http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep12/
[14:58] <santa_> we can find out the upstream name from there
[14:58] <santa_> but I prefer to work on that later
[14:59] <yofel> santa_: merged
[14:59] <santa_> yofel: awesome, thanks!
[15:13] <Mirv> yofel: Qt 5.6.1 now started, new issues on s390x/armhf though in addition to existing old ones. there is now one upstream s390x test case submitted though at least so hopefully we will get somewhere.
[15:14] <yofel> Mirv: great! thanks for the update
[15:15] <Mirv> build failures need to be fixed for yakkety at minimum, others may be potentially postponed since yakkety is not at the moment a base of stable phone updates for example
[15:19] <santa_> yofel: btw, it seems kdelibs is the one and only package whose git repository doesn't match the upstream name
[15:20] <santa_> ... which is bad because it forces to add "exceptions" in the automation which is a very bad thing
[15:21] <yofel> yeah, it is
[15:21] <yofel> I don't really want to fix it either though, as the original idea was to just "remove it when it dies"
[15:21] <yofel> but that thing feels somewhat immortal
[15:22] <santa_> is it possible to symlink kdelibs.git to kde4libs.git?
[15:22] <yofel> no
[15:22] <santa_> in alioth it would have been possible, not sure about lp
[15:22] <santa_> ouch
[15:22] <yofel> TBH, I wouldn't implement it in the new tooling
[15:22] <yofel> just do it by hand
[15:22] <santa_> the exceptions thing? no way
[16:12] <jimarvan> see ya later guys
[18:58]  * clivejo wonders if acheronuk is ok
[18:59] <clivejo> yofel: Im going to make a start on backporting FW
[18:59] <clivejo> Copied Qt 5.6.1 to staging-frameworks
[19:00] <clivejo> if they ever publish
[19:48] <valorie> weeee, so cool to see progress
[19:48] <valorie> do we have to do anything special for the xenial LTS upgrade coming soon?
[19:50] <clivejo> I need air conditioning
[19:51] <mamarley> clivejo++
[19:51] <mamarley> Air conditioning is the most wonderful invention.
[19:51] <clivejo> tooo hot today
[19:51] <clivejo> thats not something you here very often in Ireland
[19:51] <clivejo> hear
[19:52] <mamarley> It is about 32.5degC where I live today, and this weekend it is forecast to be 37degC!
[19:52] <clivejo> wow
[19:52] <clivejo> where are you?
[19:53] <valorie> it never was a thing until recently here
[19:53] <mamarley> Cary, North Carolina, USA
[19:53] <valorie> not much use this year though!
[19:53] <valorie> 20 and raining now
[19:54] <valorie> this summer is like my childhood summers, and what everyone thinks of Seattle already
[19:54] <valorie> :-)
[19:54] <clivejo> it reached a high of 25C here today
[19:55] <mamarley> Around here nearly every house and every car has air conditioning.  Even the crappiest "housing project" apartments in the crappiest sections of towns have air conditioning.
[19:55] <valorie> I'm fine with the rain and not having to water the plants
[19:55] <clivejo> our highest this year
[19:57] <mamarley> clivejo: That temperature is just two degrees above the set temperature on my air conditioner!
[19:57] <mamarley> Well, 2degF anyway.
[19:58] <mamarley> As much as I like Celsius, I don't really have as good of a feel for it as I do for Fahrenheit.
[19:59]  * mamarley wonders why the US can't switch to Metric already.
[19:59] <valorie> we're dumb
[19:59] <clivejo> confuse too many people
[20:00] <mamarley> valorie: Yep, I have to agree with you on that one…
[20:00] <valorie> dumb, fat and should-be-happy-but-instead-grumpy
[20:00]  * clivejo sings
[20:01]  * mamarley is smart (or so he is told, anyway, but he isn't sure he believes it), skinny, and is actually rather happy right now, for reasons beyond logic…
[20:02] <valorie> I'm happy too, in spite of finding out on the Internet that my aunt passed a few years ago
[20:07] <clivejo> well thats one way to mow a meadow! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np-57ijJs3A
[20:10] <valorie> that is the wrong sort of mower!
[20:11] <valorie> my grandpa had one that looked like giant hair clippers
[20:11] <valorie> he cut his own oat hay for the cows' winter fodder
[20:22] <clivejo> leavin on a jet plane, dunno went Ill be back again
[20:58]  * clivejo pokes LP