[00:05] valorie: what video driver do you use? [00:05] the free one I think [00:06] can you try another snapshot [00:06] but this time do an upgrade before adding the ppa [00:07] dist-upgrade, or full-upgrade? [00:09] did full [00:13] it's still workin' [00:14] so its fully updated and rebooted? [00:14] 79%...... [00:14] oh [00:19] it seems to have slowed way down, dunno why [00:20] flashplugin isn't that big! [00:30] clivejo: Sure, in maybe 45min? Sorry, I was busy for a bit. [00:32] mamarley: no problem, Ill probably be in bed, but sure ping me with the results if you can [00:34] Sure! [00:34] ok, updated and rebooted [00:35] Thanks for working so hard on this! We really appreciate it! [00:36] and is "dist-upgrade" required, or is "full-upgrade" acceptable [00:36] ? [00:37] oh, it says full-upgrade; nothing to upgrade! [00:37] oh pfff, wrong ppa [00:39] well I dont like the wallpaper! [00:39] ah, I always change to my astronomy pics instead anyway [00:39] one per hour [00:40] ok, full-upgrade working away [00:40] now for my elusive Arthur Crozier [00:41] https://s31.postimg.org/evfvy6jqj/Screenshot_20160718_014006.png [00:41] and I dont like the inactive windows [00:42] inactive? [00:43] yeah, its like a weird shadow effect [00:43] might be a broken package [00:43] doesnt look right [00:46] anyways, time for bed [00:57] looks successful this time, clivejo [00:57] http://paste.ubuntu.com/19844371/ [00:59] reboots flawlessly and everthing [01:04] sleep well and thank you for all your work, clivejo [01:06] Valorie do you see the shadows? [01:07] no [01:09] just installed kpat and everything works and looks perfect [01:13] and I won kpat in 106 moves [01:13] 5.7.1 seems awesomesauce [01:14] somebody should update the /topic [01:15] Not yet [01:16] Still bit of work needed [01:18] ok [01:18] Its removing a few essential packages [01:18] They need rebuilt with Qt 5.6.1 [01:19] ah, I see [01:22] And I need help and advice on what to do with those [01:27] clivejo: Looking good to me too. I have spotted a few bugs, but I am pretty sure those are code bugs and not packaging bugs. Good job! [01:35] What bugs? [01:38] * valorie thinks clifford must be typing in his sleep [01:39] Its too hot and sticky here tonight [01:40] Can't sleep [01:41] I guess I'll go clear up my piles of weeds before the skeeters come out [01:41] The what? [02:42] ok, weeds cleared [02:53] clivejo: Mosquitoes. Annoying little bloodsuckers with an itchy bite. We've got tons of them here in 'Murica. [02:54] The bugs are an empty position at the right of the system tray when it is configured to show all icons and no shadow/translucency on Plasma panels when the system first starts. [02:54] The latter can be worked around by restarting plasmashell. [02:55] Also, the window border theme changes to Plastik on upgrade. [03:26] that's a weird bug [03:26] is there some theme package missing or so? [03:31] Nope, once I switch it back to Breeze it works fine. === aaron is now known as Guest77720 === maxyz_ is now known as maxyz [08:18] morning [08:31] good morning! :) [10:11] ok. what did I miss? [10:13] An old friend from uni visited, and that was the weekend. [10:38] Another little nit I found is that there is no icon for the KF5 version of KRDC, but that is applications and not plasma. [10:39] icon is rather in Framewoks [10:39] if it is part of Breeze [10:47] Oh that might be my issue with window border [10:59] yes, thats what the issue was [10:59] switched window decorations back to plasma and they look nice again [11:00] acheronuk: https://s31.postimg.org/evfvy6jqj/Screenshot_20160718_014006.png [11:06] is Qt 5.6.1 ready for Xenial? [11:32] is 16.04.01 out yet? [11:37] clivejo: do you mean ubuntu lts? [11:37] yes [11:37] clivejo: you can check if isos are available [11:37] I have a Windows 10 laptop I want to make useable again [11:38] blaze: are you a KDE Dev? [11:39] no, just some indie dev [11:39] I would check if I could remember where they put them! [11:39] my goldfish brain can one deal with one thing at a time [11:39] clivejo: look here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/ [11:39] no updates so far [11:40] 16.04.1 is thursday [11:41] ah [11:41] you could try the daily build from friday http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/xenial/daily-live/ [11:42] yofel: how do I rebuild these packages with Qt5.6.1? [11:42] which ones? [11:42] just upload a PPA version to staging-plasma? [11:43] apport-kde apturl-kde fcitx-frontend-qt5 kde-style-qtcurve-qt5 kubuntu-driver-manager kubuntu-notification-helper libnss3-nssdb libtaskmanager5 plasma-discover python3-pyqt5 [11:43] software-properties-kde [11:44] all packages the system wants to remove to install 5.7.1 [11:44] most of that sounds python3-pyqt5 related, so start with that [11:45] but yeah, it's just running dch -R, adding a ppa suffix and uploading to the PPA [11:45] and hoping that it builds [11:45] did you say Qt 5.6.1 was copied over for Xenial as well? [11:45] do you still have frameworks 5.24 locally? [11:46] yes, no [11:46] well, xenial *CI* [11:46] are they working? [11:46] acheronuk: ^ [11:47] CI seems to have less failures than before, so I would say ~yes. Not sure if they're good for public consumption though [11:47] I was going to backport FW5.24 [11:47] maybe this evening [11:48] feel free to. I think a rebuild against our official qt 5.6.1 packages will be enough once those are in yakkety. What we have now is good enough for staging [11:49] any idea when the "official" ones wil be released? [11:52] "before yakkety FF" was the last I read. [11:53] they will hardly be backported? [11:53] which is exactly one month from now [11:53] that I don't know. But IIRC nobody had plans for that [11:54] be a good way of getting eyes on 5.7.* [11:54] not many people on yakkety yet :( [11:55] do you think it is worth trying to backport FW5.24/Plasma5.7.1 to Xenial? [11:55] or just opening a can of worms [11:56] yes, after all we said we would backport 5.8 as well [11:56] we did? [11:56] well, I did at least [11:56] who, when, where? [11:56] so feel free to start the FW backporing (remember to copy qt first) [11:56] clivejo: before you start backporting I plan to send 3/4 merge requests for frameworks very soon [11:57] I'll look at the transition tracker for 5.6.1 once frameworks and plasma are in backports-landing. For yakkety, you're on your own [11:57] santa_: oh? [11:57] frameworks or automation? [11:57] well, both [11:57] I already have the stuff for automation [11:57] ah packaging. (I read upstream) [11:58] monday [11:58] santa_: is there any way to select a cascade build dependancy bump? [11:59] so for plasma, bump both FW and Plasma build deps? [11:59] and maybe even Qt deps? [12:00] clivejo: I have a patch for that [12:00] I can make something for qt also [12:01] can it be made that we select it via parameter passed to script? [12:01] yes [12:01] clivejo: here https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/+git/kubuntu-automation/+ref/work [12:02] what do you want to do would be [12:02] inside your plasma directory: [12:02] dev-package-names-list -d yakkety -r plasma -m frameworks [12:04] you can also do more than one "merge" [12:04] could we specify the version [12:04] why? [12:04] just have the package names in the dev lists [12:05] the reason why the versions are in the json is because different packages mya have different versions, soo better to find out them dinamically [12:06] s/mya/may/ [12:06] I guess in my mind just makes the script more flexable to do non-workflow jobs too [12:07] for exaple packages with epoch vs packages without epoch [12:07] or some had a completely different version, for instance extra-cmake-modules (at least in the past) [12:08] with the lack of people power, we seem to deviate from workflow a bit [12:09] I will have some time these days to help [12:09] kdelibs still diverges (which is actually not respected in versions.json) [12:09] yeah [12:10] ah right, it's in packaging-exceptions [12:10] so I would say lets go with that patches if there isn't any other further objections [12:11] yeah something to get rid of are the dupe info about "exceptions" [12:11] would you mind calling it something othe than merge? [12:11] of course not [12:11] maybe bump [12:12] what about "-c"/"--cascade" ? [12:13] sometimes we might not want a cascade bump [12:14] for example a version of plasma will have a minium FW it needs [12:14] sure, so you skip the option and that's it [12:14] and Plasma 5.7.1 needs Qt5.6.1 [12:15] Id like a way to reflect that while staging [12:16] I will extend the tooling a bit for qt [12:17] so how do you want to name the option? [12:17] cascade? something else? [12:17] "-e"/"--extra"? [13:19] Hiyas all [13:28] OpenSSL::SSL::SSLError [13:28] oh come on [13:28] hi BluesKaj [13:28] hi yofel [13:54] my notes icons in Kontact have disappeared :( [14:17] clivejo: yo, merge requests for fw done [14:18] they were 3 libraries failing to build because of missing leaked "private" symbols [14:24] santa_: private from qt 5.6? [14:26] santa_: and against what exactly where you building? [14:26] yofel: symbols not actually in the fw libraries, but if that's the question I have built against whatever is in yakkety [14:27] http://gpul.grupos.udc.es/logs/bluez-qt_5.24.0-0ubuntu1+santa3_amd64.build [14:27] ↑ example [14:27] yeah, that sounds like Qt [14:28] still, with 5.6 you *have* that symbol, so instead of removing it the symbols need to be marked as (optional=qtinternal) or something like that [14:29] (vanilla yakkety has 5.5) [14:29] I see [14:29] yofel: where's qt 5.6? [14:29] I wonder if we have an official tag for internal qt symbols.. [14:29] what ppa [14:30] kubuntu-ppa/staging-frameworks and kubuntu-ppa/staging-plasma [14:30] ?! [14:30] no separate ppa for qt5.6? [14:31] last I checked (a while ago), there were no official 5.6.1 builds, just some 5.6.0 testbuilds [14:31] Mirv_ was on vacation for quite a while [14:31] we are using Riks builds - https://launchpad.net/~acheron/+archive/ubuntu/qt5test [14:32] basically to get working on Plasma5.7.1 [14:32] he based in on Debian [14:33] are that builds going to get into yakkety? [14:33] not those ones [14:33] but rebuilds based on this packaging [14:34] when the official Qt lands in yakkety [14:34] for Xenial probably will publish these builds, when we get that far [14:34] hm no, nothing new in landing-024 [14:35] current status of Plasma 5.7.1 - http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ppa-status/plasma/build_status_5.7.1_yakkety.html [14:36] Im actually running it on my system at the moment [14:36] Qt 5.6.1 (Rik's build), FW 5.24 and Plasma 5.7.1 [14:37] santa_: another thing with the symbols. Please check if the symbols are actually qt internal or if they are from some #ifdef qt >= 5.6 code. I haven't looked at all of them yet [14:37] yofel: should I have marked them some way? [14:38] clivejo: no, at least you wouldn't have known that it might've been necessary. For our purpose the symbol files are good as they are [14:38] or should batchpatch do that? [14:39] are you going to upload something before qt 5.6 gets into yakkety? [14:39] nah, batchpatch did what it could [14:39] santa_: I don't intend to [14:39] santa_: I dont have upload rights so not I [14:40] but I do want to get it into landing PPA's and get users eyes on it [14:41] ok, lets put that merge requests on hold [14:42] what about my automation stuff? can we merge the work branch so I would start working on the qt build dependency bump? [14:42] I intend to move Qt5.6.1 to staging-frameworks and start a backport for FW5.24 later on [14:43] the Qt bump will probably have to wait to the next version I think [14:43] santa_: looking [14:43] FW5.25 and Plasma5.7.2 [14:47] santa_: warnings.simplefilter('ignore', FutureWarning) #Ignore the warnings from python-debian [14:47] ?!? [14:48] yofel: comment out the line and see [14:49] yofel: yes it could filter out a bit more than what it should but not a big deal imho [14:51] santa_: http://sprunge.us/jQBG [14:52] yofel: that script is part of the ng tooling, it's meant to be called inside a pkgname/git/ directory [14:53] I ran it inside of a clone of plasma-workspace [14:53] hence the full path [14:53] pwd would've been /tmp/pkg/plasma-workspace [14:54] should be /tmp/pkg/plasma-workspace/git/ [14:54] hmm, isn't qt5.7 planned for 16.10? [14:55] santa_: I did not clone using the tooling [14:55] it *can* read debian/changelog, otherwise it would've failed earlier [14:56] it doesn't find plasma-workspace in any of the ftp maps and thus never sets a version [14:56] nope [14:56] it doesn't find out well the package name [14:56] right now it tries to find out looking for the directory name [14:57] but that will be improved in the future [14:57] oh, I see -.- [14:57] yeah, upstream_name gets set to pkg [14:58] once we make sure we are dep 12 compatible [14:58] http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep12/ [14:58] we can find out the upstream name from there [14:58] but I prefer to work on that later [14:59] santa_: merged === Guest77720 is now known as ahoneybun [14:59] yofel: awesome, thanks! [15:13] yofel: Qt 5.6.1 now started, new issues on s390x/armhf though in addition to existing old ones. there is now one upstream s390x test case submitted though at least so hopefully we will get somewhere. [15:14] Mirv: great! thanks for the update [15:15] build failures need to be fixed for yakkety at minimum, others may be potentially postponed since yakkety is not at the moment a base of stable phone updates for example [15:19] yofel: btw, it seems kdelibs is the one and only package whose git repository doesn't match the upstream name [15:20] ... which is bad because it forces to add "exceptions" in the automation which is a very bad thing [15:21] yeah, it is [15:21] I don't really want to fix it either though, as the original idea was to just "remove it when it dies" [15:21] but that thing feels somewhat immortal [15:22] is it possible to symlink kdelibs.git to kde4libs.git? [15:22] no [15:22] in alioth it would have been possible, not sure about lp [15:22] ouch [15:22] TBH, I wouldn't implement it in the new tooling [15:22] just do it by hand [15:22] the exceptions thing? no way [16:12] see ya later guys === claydoh is now known as Guest72716 === wendar_ is now known as wendar [18:58] * clivejo wonders if acheronuk is ok [18:59] yofel: Im going to make a start on backporting FW [18:59] Copied Qt 5.6.1 to staging-frameworks [19:00] if they ever publish [19:48] weeee, so cool to see progress [19:48] do we have to do anything special for the xenial LTS upgrade coming soon? [19:50] I need air conditioning [19:51] clivejo++ [19:51] Air conditioning is the most wonderful invention. [19:51] tooo hot today [19:51] thats not something you here very often in Ireland [19:51] hear [19:52] It is about 32.5degC where I live today, and this weekend it is forecast to be 37degC! [19:52] wow [19:52] where are you? [19:53] it never was a thing until recently here [19:53] Cary, North Carolina, USA [19:53] not much use this year though! [19:53] 20 and raining now [19:54] this summer is like my childhood summers, and what everyone thinks of Seattle already [19:54] :-) [19:54] it reached a high of 25C here today [19:55] Around here nearly every house and every car has air conditioning. Even the crappiest "housing project" apartments in the crappiest sections of towns have air conditioning. [19:55] I'm fine with the rain and not having to water the plants [19:55] our highest this year [19:57] clivejo: That temperature is just two degrees above the set temperature on my air conditioner! [19:57] Well, 2degF anyway. [19:58] As much as I like Celsius, I don't really have as good of a feel for it as I do for Fahrenheit. [19:59] * mamarley wonders why the US can't switch to Metric already. [19:59] we're dumb [19:59] confuse too many people [20:00] valorie: Yep, I have to agree with you on that one… [20:00] dumb, fat and should-be-happy-but-instead-grumpy [20:00] * clivejo sings [20:01] * mamarley is smart (or so he is told, anyway, but he isn't sure he believes it), skinny, and is actually rather happy right now, for reasons beyond logic… [20:02] I'm happy too, in spite of finding out on the Internet that my aunt passed a few years ago [20:07] well thats one way to mow a meadow! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np-57ijJs3A [20:10] that is the wrong sort of mower! [20:11] my grandpa had one that looked like giant hair clippers [20:11] he cut his own oat hay for the cows' winter fodder [20:22] leavin on a jet plane, dunno went Ill be back again [20:58] * clivejo pokes LP