[01:42] <mhall119> knome: sorry, we've discussed it briefly but not thoroughly yet
[01:42] <mhall119> knome: I'll send out a reminder email
[06:31] <Kilos> o/
[06:39] <Mister_Q> good morning everyone o/
[06:40] <Kilos> hi Mister_Q toddy dholbach svij and others
[06:52] <toddy> hi Kilos
[06:58] <MooDoo> morning
[07:05] <dholbach> hi Kilos
[07:16] <dholbach> hey dpm
[07:17] <dpm> morning dholbach
[07:18] <popey> Greetings from sunny Heidelberg
[07:18] <tsimonq2> hey all!
[07:18] <tsimonq2> ALAN! :D
[07:18] <popey> YO!
[07:19] <tsimonq2> how are you?
[07:19] <popey> Great!
[07:19] <tsimonq2> hey dholbach :D
[07:19] <popey> hows you?
[07:19] <dholbach> hey tsimonq2
[07:19] <dholbach> hey hey :)
[07:20] <tsimonq2> great popey :)
[07:20] <tsimonq2> hey hey hey dholbach :D
[07:20] <tsimonq2> how are you?
[07:20] <dholbach> great - how are you?
[07:20] <tsimonq2> great :)
[07:21] <tsimonq2> man I love being up at night :D
[07:23] <tsimonq2> you see the Lubuntu bug day details yet, dholbach?
[07:23] <dholbach> tsimonq2, I had a brief look at the page, but not time to digest it much
[07:23] <dholbach> do you need help with anything?
[07:25] <tsimonq2> I would love for someone in Europe that has bug hunting experience to hang out in #lubuntu-devel and answer questions. :)
[07:25] <tsimonq2> on that day
[07:26] <tsimonq2> (just in case I decide to sleep normally that day :P)
[07:26] <dholbach> I'm not sure I'm a good person for that
[07:26] <dholbach> I don't know a single thing about lubuntu
[07:27] <dholbach> is nobody from the lubuntu community around?
[07:27] <dholbach> or somebody from the bug team?
[07:27] <dholbach> maybe somebody from the ubuntu-quality list?
[07:28] <tsimonq2> the Lubuntu team is primarily in the US, with the exceptions of Rafael (artwork) and Julien who doesn't stick on IRC for much
[07:28] <tsimonq2> s/much/long/
[07:28] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:29] <tsimonq2> dholbach: I just wanted to ask to see if someone on the community team was available before I widen my search :)
[07:29] <tsimonq2> o/ czajkowski, how are you?
[07:30] <dholbach> tsimonq2, I'd ask somebody from the QA/bug community
[07:30] <tsimonq2> alright :)
[07:32] <czajkowski> tsimonq2: sleepy, but not bad. doing a quick check of mail then logging off till 4:30pm today as working west coast hours all this week
[07:32] <tsimonq2> oh okay czajkowski :)
[07:33] <czajkowski> tsimonq2: I sit in on QBRs this week and point out where I can help and how we can improve things for the next quarter and what influence the work we did to help in the last quarter
[07:41] <tsimonq2> QBRs?
[07:42] <czajkowski> Quarterly business reviews
[07:42] <tsimonq2> oic
[07:42] <tsimonq2> well cool :)
[07:43] <tsimonq2> what do you do? :)
[08:19] <czajkowski> tsimonq2: community manager at couchbase
[08:29] <svij> good morning!
[08:33] <knome> mhall119, thanks. i'll be mostly this week, and when i come back, we plan to move the issue forward, so it would be very nice if you could do any potential commentary by next week
[08:35] <tsimonq2> cool czajkowski :)
[12:52] <dholbach> dpm, popey: are you going to do the Q&A from Heidelberg any time in the next days?
[12:52] <dholbach> I'm just asking because I won't be able to make it
[12:52] <popey> I suspect that might be tricky
[12:53] <dholbach> (won't be able to make it tomorrow...)
[12:54] <dpm> dholbach, let's leave the Q&A as it is tomorrow, and we can look at whether we can organize a snappy Q&A on Wednesday
[12:54] <dholbach> davidcalle, dpm, mhall119, popey: will any of you have time tomorrow?
[12:55] <dpm> dholbach, not popey or I probably. If you or mhall119 can't do it, I'd say please make sure it's reflected on the UbuntuOnAir calendar
[12:55] <davidcalle> dholbach: I will
[12:55] <dholbach> davidcalle to the rescue
[12:56] <dholbach> I'll be on the way to catch a plane
[12:56] <davidcalle> dholbach: where there is WIFI, there is a way :P
[12:57] <davidcalle> dpm: popey: how is the sprint going?
[12:57] <dholbach> sounds fair - maybe I'll get the security personnel at the airport to answer a few questions too :-P
[12:58] <davidcalle> dholbach: "What's in Daniel's bag"
[12:59] <dholbach> maybe they'll have an answer to "hud?" too :-P
[13:00] <davidcalle> :)
[13:03] <mhall119> I can't do the Q&A tomorrow, will be taking the kids to school, I can do wednesday though
[13:20] <popey> davidcalle: intensse
[13:30] <mhall119> popey: I hope nobody thought this was going to be a holiday for them :)
[13:31] <mhall119> popey: send my regards to all the community folks there
[15:31] <dholbach> jose, looks like we won't have a Q&A tomorrow - can you get it off the schedule for us?
[16:04] <dholbach> all right - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[16:04] <Kilos> sleep tight dholbach
[16:05] <dholbach> I'll do that, later :)
[17:25] <Kilos> how do i remove a paste at paste.ubuntu.com please. it doesnt wordwrap
[17:26] <Kilos> so everything is in one long line. sigh
[17:27] <pleia2> you can try submitting a ticket to canonical IS, but unless it's a security problem I wouldn't waste their time
[17:27] <Kilos> no its not security related
[17:28] <wxl> i would consider that a benefit, not a detriment
[17:28] <Kilos> this blog poste could make waves so i would like some feedback before posting it
[17:29] <Kilos> pleia2 you do the magazine, could you read it and tell me please
[17:29] <Kilos> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19923135/
[17:29] <Kilos> any opinions are welcome
[17:30] <Kilos> hggdh will you as well please and wxl  of course
[17:32] <wxl> Kilos: might want to try a google doc instead
[17:33] <wxl> that would allow us to actually make reasonable comments on it as well
[17:33] <Kilos> my other blogs go through fine wxl , its just the pastebin issue
[17:33] <Kilos> my blog is at blogspot
[17:34] <pleia2> Kilos: do your blog posts go to planet.ubuntu.com ?
[17:34] <wxl> i'm saying that you're asking for feedback. you can't really provide feedback on pastebin, but you can on a google doc.
[17:34] <Kilos> yes pleia2
[17:34] <wxl> and google docs ALSO wordwrap
[17:35] <pleia2> Kilos: I run the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, planet posts will make it in :) I'd likely put this in the LoCo News section
[17:35] <pleia2> s/Google Docs/pad.ubuntu.com
[17:35] <Kilos> your decision pleia2
[17:35] <pleia2> (let's promote free software here :))
[17:36] <wxl> I'd say it deserves some clarity of language
[17:36] <Kilos> ill look at google docs as well
[17:36] <Kilos> explain please wxl
[17:36] <wxl> for example:
[17:36] <wxl> It seems to me that running a LoCo there is a personal thing and not in the best interests of Ubuntu.
[17:36] <wxl> i have no idea what the "personal thing" is
[17:36] <Kilos> thats what is going to make the waves
[17:37] <wxl> i don't think it will stated the way it is
[17:37] <wxl> it'll just make people wonder
[17:37] <Kilos> hggdh can explain better
[17:37] <Kilos> ill try reword it
[17:37] <wxl> if you put it up on Google Docs or Etherpad we can help
[17:37] <Kilos> oh yes i forget etherpad
[17:38] <Kilos> im older man
[17:38] <Kilos> haha
[17:42] <Kilos> wxl please give me a link to etherpad
[17:42] <wxl> Kilos: pad.ubuntu.com
[17:42] <Kilos> struggling tonight'
[17:42] <Kilos> ty
[17:43] <Kilos> it says developer summit
[17:44] <Kilos> is that ok to use for something like this?
[17:48] <wxl> yes
[17:48] <wxl> we really need to change that at some point
[17:48] <wxl> it gets heavily used during the developer summits
[17:48] <Kilos> ok ill post to there now
[17:51] <Kilos> eish i cannot paste there
[17:51] <Kilos> http://pad.ubuntu.com/ufjDVJgYJX
[17:52] <Kilos> so everything is in the chat block
[17:53] <wxl> there i just pasted
[17:54] <wxl> ugh
[17:54] <Kilos> i cant close the window that opened when i ticked invite
[17:54] <wxl> but it should be use that pasted it
[17:55] <wxl> i'm going to break this down into individual sentences
[17:55] <Kilos> ok ty
[17:56] <Kilos> im going to close and come back again that invite window is in the way
[18:02] <wxl> Kilos: let's clean out that chatty business and we can start discussing the questions at hand?
[18:03] <Kilos> whew that etherpad is for young peeps
[18:03]  * wxl is not THAT young
[18:03] <Kilos> im 65
[18:03] <wxl> i'm 39. so yeah, but still. :)
[18:04] <Kilos> we can discuss it here , i have nothing to hide
[18:04] <Kilos> better if some of the cc see the discussion so that they are informed
[18:05] <wxl> so the comments i made (preceded with "  -- ") discuss some of the things where i think the language fails to communicate your point, or could be improved
[18:05] <wxl> i'd start with working on those
[18:05] <Kilos> for example- look at the ubuntu-pk site
[18:05] <Kilos> i changed that to badge of personal honour
[18:05] <wxl> yes and i think that's good
[18:06] <Kilos> ok you ask and ill answer
[18:06] <wxl> Just when things start running smoothly at home
[18:06] <wxl>   --- so has your loco been running smoothly or your home life has been running smoothly?
[18:06] <Kilos> mine?
[18:06] <Kilos> lol
[18:06] <Kilos> my loco runs the best of all
[18:06] <Kilos> #ubuntu-za
[18:07] <wxl> ok so then i'd state that
[18:07] <Kilos> thats why i get upset when i see these problems
[18:07] <wxl> because the natural logic is that your loco is running good and you are benefiting from it and others are, and you want to see that happen in the rest of the world or at least wonder why it's nto happening
[18:08] <Kilos> correct
[18:08] <Kilos> i want to try help locos run smoothly as mine does
[18:08] <wxl> so you can change that sentence. improving the communication of that logic will help people put themselves in your headspace and better empathize with the concerns you express later
[18:09] <Kilos> oh ok
[18:09] <wxl> i think it's also a good idea to talk about what you have accomplished, both with your loco and with other locos
[18:10] <wxl> giving examples of the positive effects of locos with involved leadership will again help people see the reason to be concerned about this issue
[18:10] <Kilos> in my blog the africa project was all explained
[18:10] <wxl> i mean, that's why you care, after all
[18:10] <Kilos> yes
[18:10] <wxl> well, not in what i'm reading :)
[18:10] <wxl> so you might want to add a link
[18:10] <Kilos> ok
[18:10] <wxl> but also talk about other accomplishments you've made, such as the irc channels
[18:11] <wxl> like i'm talking about details
[18:11] <wxl> not just mentioning it
[18:11] <Kilos> ok so naming the channels is fine
[18:11] <wxl> the more you can give someone a mental picture of the situation, the better they will be able to relate and the more they can relate the more they will care
[18:11] <Kilos> aha
[18:11] <wxl> if there are any particularly noteworthy experiences, i'd mention that
[18:12] <wxl> say for example that while you were trying to help out some channel someone came in for support and got it and got to experience the value of a loco for the first time.. that's a good example. that kind of thing
[18:12] <Kilos> ok
[18:12] <Kilos> gonna be a long blog
[18:12] <wxl> it should be!
[18:13] <wxl> this is no small subject
[18:13] <Kilos> agreed
[18:13] <wxl> this is not something that people are just going to immediately get or immediately relate to
[18:13] <wxl> the primary issue i have with your post is that the logic doesn't really flow well or isnt' explained. i think if you can clear that up, people will get it
[18:13] <wxl> for example:
[18:13] <wxl>   --- is this what started your task to improve locos globally or is this what caused the problem?
[18:13] <wxl> It all started because one poor fella in Asia applied for Ubuntu Membership without any guidance or support from his LoCo.
[18:14] <wxl> that sentence just seems to appear out of nowhere
[18:14] <wxl> it's not clear how it relates to the sentences around it
[18:14] <Kilos> what started it was a youngster applying for membership without guidance or support
[18:14] <Kilos> oh
[18:17] <Kilos> whew let me work on that wxl then ill bother you again
[18:17] <Kilos> 'ty for the help so far
[18:17] <wxl> Kilos: that's what you get when you ask the writer for help :)
[18:17] <Kilos> haha
[18:18] <Kilos> i should give you the basics and let you run with it
[18:18] <wxl> well, i want you to be able to write your own stuff, so you can write more in the future :)
[18:19] <Kilos> hahaha