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luxpirhi!11:54
k1l_hi11:56
luxpiranyone else had phone interface issues during calls?12:34
davmor2luxpir: nope12:35
davmor2luxpir: can you be a bit more specific and also let us know what channel you are on too please12:35
luxpirhaving to swipe onto another running process, tap back into the call to be able to hangup or touch dial12:37
davmor2nope never seen that but I think someone else said they had a while back12:40
mterrychrisccoulson, what's the story with oxide-qt-arm64 in the overlay?  Why does it exist there and only for xenial?12:56
mterrychrisccoulson, it's causing problems for unity8, because it means that webbrowser-app/xenial/arm64 builds, which means unity8/xenial/arm64 tries to build, but only that version.  And we get build failures there, which we're trying to figure out best way forward with12:58
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robinheroHi guys! I think I've found a really serious bug in OTA-12. Could somebody try to reproduce it? I had a call and tried to answer it with swipe, but unforunately I swiped the whole notification bubble. After that the phone was still ringing, but I couldn't do anything :)15:35
peat-psuwitrobinhero: That's a known bug.15:38
robinheropeat-psuwit, could you link me the bug report? I can't find it15:39
peat-psuwithttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/151243015:39
ubot5Launchpad bug 1512430 in Canonical System Image "[phone] Shouldn't be able to swipe away incoming call notification" [High,Confirmed]15:39
peat-psuwitrobinhero: ^15:41
robinheropeat-psuwit, thanks15:43
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Guest_84747Allah is doing16:18
Guest_84747sun is not doing Allah is doing16:18
Guest_84747moon is not doing Allah is doing16:18
Guest_84747stars are not doing Allah is doing16:18
Guest_84747planets are not doing Allah is doing16:19
Guest_84747galaxies are not doing Allah is doing16:19
Guest_84747oceans are not doing Allah is doing16:19
davmor2Guest_84747: please stop16:19
Guest_84747mountains are not doing Allah is doing16:20
Guest_84747trees are not doing Allah is doing16:20
davmor2popey: ^16:20
Guest_84747mom is not doing Allah is doing16:20
davmor2anyone else an admin16:20
Guest_84747dad is not doing Allah is doing16:21
Guest_84747boss is not doing Allah is doing16:21
Guest_84747job is not doing Allah is doing16:21
Guest_84747dollar is not doing Allah is doing16:21
Guest_84747degree is not doing Allah is doing16:21
Guest_84747medicine is not doing Allah is doing16:22
Guest_84747customers are not doing Allah is doing16:22
Guest_84747you can not get a job without the permission of allah16:23
Guest_84747you can not get married without the permission of allah16:23
Guest_84747nobody can get angry at you without the permission of allah16:23
Guest_84747light is not doing Allah is doing16:24
Guest_84747fan is not doing Allah is doing16:24
Guest_84747businessess are not doing Allah is doing16:24
Guest_84747america is not doing Allah is doing16:24
Guest_84747fire can not burn without the permission of allah16:24
Guest_84747knife can not cut without the permission of allah16:25
Guest_84747rulers are not doing Allah is doing16:25
dobeyk1l, popey, someone: ^^16:25
dobeythis insanity again16:26
dobeythanks16:26
davmor2thanks16:26
dobeyops are not doing, chanserv is doing16:27
mcphailha!16:27
dobey(pretty sure that was a bot)16:27
davmor2dobey: too evenly spaced to not be16:27
dobeyso allah must be a script kiddie, because allah is doing16:28
davmor2dobey: no allah is just the name of the bot16:29
davmor2dobey: at least it proves there is one constant in the world, there will always be prats16:32
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ahayzensil2100, o/ davmor2 said to ask you about the state of (a)gps on mako, before the ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en used to include the HERE parts? Should this still work for mako, or has this been changed/broken?16:53
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altker128Is there a way to download Touch scopes/apps without having a phone?  I.e. through web browser?17:10
sil2100ahayzen: hey! It basically should work, but I do not have the means to test that (no mako currently)17:17
ahayzensil2100, ok, thanks :-)17:18
sil2100ahayzen: the custom tarball is shipping the HERE binaries there not sure if everything there works as it should17:18
ahayzenyeah it used to lock within seconds, now it takes a bit longer17:18
sil2100It's being updated from the click-package side, but the HERE binaries basically are the same as they were a year ago ;p17:18
altker128Does the latest HERE app work completely offline like the Android/iOS versions?17:20
mhall119mariogrip: do you mind if we postpone our call until tomorrow?17:20
altker128Is there a PC/desktop client to the click store that will let me download apps without having the phone connected to the Ubuntu Touch Click App store?17:29
altker128I need to some times install apps offline17:29
mariogripmhall119: yeah, sure :)17:37
dobeyaltker128: unity817:43
dobeyaltker128: but no, there isn't anything which will just download only17:43
altker128dobey: What about using the SDK/Emulator?17:54
dobeyaltker128: what about it? there is no client which only downloads the packages.17:56
altker128dobey: I'm asking if I could use the SDK/emulator to install arm click/touch apps17:56
dobeyof course you can install apps in the emulator17:57
dobeyyou can't use the sdk to install apps from the store into some device, if that's what you're asking17:57
altker128Why's that?17:58
dobeybecause it doesn't make sense, really17:58
altker128If I understand correctly, the emulator emulates the entire device, so I could use the click store and install apps17:58
altker128I could then copy those apps off the emulator and install them into my device via command-line, right?17:59
dobeyyes. as i said, you can install apps in the emulator17:59
dobeywhy wouldn't you just connect the device to wifi and install on the device?18:00
dobeyrunning an arm emulator is unbeaerably slow though, and i'm not sure how well it works right now18:00
altker128I work in environments where there is no wifi or 3G/4G connectivity.18:01
altker128Kinda silly one can't download the apps WITHOUT the app store.  As limiting as Apple.18:02
mhall119you can install apps without the store18:03
mhall119if you have a .click you can copy it to your phone and install it from the commandline18:04
altker128mhall119: I'd like to install click apps but "sideload" them, like you can with Android or a jailbroken iPhone18:04
altker128mhall119: The issue is how do you download the .click from the Ubuntu click store?18:04
mhall119there's a URL you get from the store API18:05
altker128So, I can use uappexplorer.com to find apps, but I'm not sure how to wget them from the store18:05
mhall119you need to login to get the download url18:07
altker128mhall119: OK,  So can I do all of that from a desktop computer, rather than the phone?18:07
mhall119yeah, you just need to know the API make the right calls18:07
altker128mhall119: Is this documented anywhere I can take a look at?18:08
mhall119it's not going to be simple, for simplicity we made the store scope that does all of htis for you18:08
mhall119altker128: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppStore/Interfaces/ClickPackageIndex18:08
altker128mhall119: Is there a way (besides the slow emulator) to run the Click Store Scope on a Ubuntu Desktop to download the apps?18:09
mhall119you can run Unity 8, it's part of that18:09
altker128mhall119: So, if I have an x86 Ubuntu desktop running Unity 8, I could (with a valid login) download armhf click binaries?18:10
mhall119well, no, the store will only look for apps that you can run on your arch18:11
mhall119so really, you need to just use the API18:11
mhall119there you can specify armhf even if you're on x8618:12
dobeyyou can't just wget the url for the click from the store18:12
dobeyyou can make the store scope show a different arch than your device is18:12
mhall119you can once you get teh URL, which requires querying from the API18:12
dobeybut it doesn't just download apps18:12
altker128mhall119: Are there any plans to enable offline downloading that doesn't need the API?  I know it might sound strange but there are lots of environments where phone/network connectivity isn't possible or is blocked.18:13
dobeythe store downloads and installs, and then the downloaded .click file gets deleted18:13
altker128Wow, so even if you have a physical device and install apps, you can't copy them off as an "app bundle" ?18:14
dobeyaltker128: no, there are no plans to enable that18:14
altker128Well, to whom would I pose the request to then?18:14
dobeyyou can't install armhf packages on x86, because the architecture doesn't match18:15
altker128This is as restrictive as Apple's universe, which is pretty terrible18:15
altker128dobey: I want to DOWNLOAD using x86, install to armhf18:15
dobeythen write a simple python script to download things and copy them to your device18:16
altker128Really, I don't get the hositility here.18:16
altker128This isn't an absurd request.18:16
dobeywhat hostility?18:16
dobeyyou asked how to do something, and i told you exactly how to do it18:16
altker128Your answer is, here's a bunch of parts, go build the solution.  I'm asking for the existing solution to be modified slightly to support more general use cases, which I think are important, and I think others want/need it too.18:18
dobeymy answer is, there are no plans to provide a supported solution which makes it trivial to steal paid apps from the app store18:19
altker128I have ZERO desire to steal anything.18:19
dobeywell, perhaps you are one of the honest ones. and that's fine.18:20
altker128There are dozens of free apps (open source) that users might want to install18:20
mhall119altker128: be fair now, you're intentionally avoiding the easy way that we worked to provide, so of course it's going to be more difficult18:20
dobeybut don't come in here complaining and asking for things, and complain about me being hostile, simply because my answer is that there is no such solution, there are no plans to implement a supported solution for this, and giving you the exact method of how to do it18:21
altker128mhall119: The issue is unfortunately there are environments where either WiFI is block/non-working or cellular network connectivity isn't possible18:21
mhall119altker128: understood, but that's an edge case18:21
dobeyyou are literally the only person whom has ever asked for this.18:21
mhall119it's not impossible to do what you want, but it's not something we're going to put a lot of effort into making easy, because there aren't enough people who want it18:21
dobeyand making it easy makes a lot of other things much harder18:22
mhall119sideloading apps on Ubuntu phones is easy18:22
mhall119accessing the Ubuntu store from a device that you don't want to use those apps on is not18:22
mhall119and it's not a use case many people are going you have18:22
dobeyeven so, the solution we would imlpement for accessing the store from another device, would be a web site, and enabling remote installation from the server; which would still require connectivity on the target device18:23
altker128Here's another person who wants this18:23
altker128http://askubuntu.com/questions/763892/ubuntu-touch-and-installing-click-packages-outside-of-ubuntu-app-store18:23
altker128For example18:23
altker128In Android land there's fdroid which has APKs that you can easily sideload into your device.  And, there's a LOT of people who do that for various reasons18:23
dobeythat's not the same thing18:24
mhall119altker128: the API is there do do what you want, you build whatever scripts or services on top of that that you want to make it easier on you18:24
dobeysideloading apps once you have the click is very easy18:25
dobeyanyway, i need to eat something18:26
altker128Can I backup a click from a real device?18:26
altker128i.e. use app store to install18:26
mhall119altker128: if you or somebody else wants to standup an http server to host click packages, then you can download them with wget18:26
mhall119altker128: you don't, clicks are unpacked and then the original package file is deleted (just like .debs are on the desktop)18:26
altker128I think there's some momentum already: https://open.uappexplorer.com/18:27
mhall119that's just how the install process works18:27
davmor2altker128: what is your problem with a store out of interest?18:27
mhall119altker128: the motivation behind the open store was more to work around confinement requirements from the primary store, not your specific use case18:28
altker128davmor2: I work with, and deploy devices in very locked down environments.  The ability to get a device going quickly (i.e. install these ten apps from one command-line) is very important.18:28
mhall119altker128: once you have those 10 apps, you can install them very easily18:28
mhall119you can get them either from the original author, or via the store API18:29
altker128mhall119: Yeah, the key here is being able to get those clicks, which looks like scripting is in order.18:29
davmor2altker128: actually the open store is just there as a way to circumvent some of the security features that are in play they are basically apps that are not allowed in the store as they break the security18:30
davmor2altker128: a lot of those apps in the open store have elevated permissions which would mean they could read from folder not created by the app for example18:32
altker128davmor2: I see, thanks for clarifying.18:32
mhall119that goes for any sideloaded app, in fact, since without the store's checks there's no guarantee that they will be run safely confined18:33
mhall119so be sure you trust what you run18:34
altker128mhall119: I follow you.18:34
davmor2altker128: being as there is only one user if all the devices are the same you could effectively copy the user section and copy it to all the devices over adb with a minimal script18:35
altker128davmor2: Same device == armhf , or same device == nexus 4, meizu pro 5, etc ?18:36
davmor2altker128: device not arch18:36
davmor2altker128: if they were all nexus4 then you could copy the user directory off a master save it as a tarball and copy it onto all the others over adb18:37
mhall119user partition, not directory, right?18:39
altker128davmor2: Yeah, potentially supported mixed environments, but same arch (armhf), so the ideal is to get that .click and then distribute via CLI.18:39
altker128davmor2: FYI, I can do something similar in iOS / iPhone land, can use the Apple tools to load in a bunch of IPAs (signed, not stolen, etc, etc)18:39
davmor2altker128: yeap just offering up another suggestion that was all :)18:40
altker128davmor2: Gotcha, thanks for that.18:40
altker128davmor2: Where/who in the installation process actually deletes the .click file upon successful installation ?18:41
davmor2altker128: as you know in the Linux world there are always a million way to do the say job :)18:41
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altker128dumb question:  Is the source for the Touch Store app available somewhere?  I can found the core apps and community apps18:57
mhall119altker128: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/unity-scope-click/trunk/files/head:/scope/clickstore/19:01
altker128mhall119: Thanks!19:07
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dobeyomg19:29
dobeyyeah, the store isn't an app it's a scope19:29
jonas_tothhello guyes19:29
jonas_tothi have a question related to porting to a new device. is this the right place or shall i go to another channel?19:30
dobeythis is the right place, but don't expect that anyone who may be able to answer you question will necessarily be here :)19:31
dobeymany ghosts hang around :)19:31
jonas_tothhaha ok :D19:32
jonas_tothbasically what iam trying is to port to the nexus 919:32
jonas_tothi never did a port, i followed tutorials to build cm and so19:32
jonas_tothbut no real experience.19:32
jonas_tothwhat iam now questioning, is what git repos shall i add to my phablet directory, mentioned in the tutorial?19:32
jonas_tothand since mario grip has started a port as well, iam confused. he has a repo on github, which doesnt match the pattern described in the tutorial.19:33
jonas_tothcan give me someone a little tipp?19:33
dobeyyou probabl want to talk to mariogrip :)19:33
jonas_tothyeah ;D19:33
jonas_tothi try it :)19:34
jonas_tothty :)19:34
dobeyto be fair, the tutorial is a bit dated, and mariogrip has been working on some things to make porting easier19:35
dobeyso probably best to follow what he's doing there19:35
jonas_tothalright. so most likely its using his repo, and try to build from it?19:36
jonas_tothand how do the kernel repo and the device repo relate? are they built completly independent?19:37
dobeybeyond my knowledge at the moment :)19:39
jonas_tothalright. thank you for the help :)19:39
jonas_tothlets see what mario says.19:39
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SebthreeBQM10HDhi21:30
SebthreeBQM10HDoh ota 12 delaye untill next week, whys that?21:33
ahoneybunSebthreeBQM10HD: the email gives some detail into it21:40
SebthreeBQM10HDahoneybun, link or something,I amnot on a mailing list21:40
SebthreeBQM10HDmaybe I should join for ubuntu touch21:40
ahoneybunhttps://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone21:41
ahoneybunthis is the mailing list21:41
ahoneybunhttps://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg21640.html21:41
ahoneybunmsg talking about the delay21:41
SebthreeBQM10HDoh ok thanks :)21:41
ahoneybunnp21:42
SebthreeBQM10HDahoneybun, the on screen keyboard updte was coming in tht one I thought21:42
SebthreeBQM10HDno longer needing bluetooth for libertine ?21:42
SebthreeBQM10HDahoneybun, wanted to show that to some people at my LUG on Saturday21:42
ahoneybunthe OSK works no?21:43
SebthreeBQM10HDI thought that was in OTA 12?21:43
ahoneybunohhh21:43
ahoneybunthat21:43
SebthreeBQM10HDso woudn't need bluetooth anymore for libertine21:43
ahoneybunrc-proposed might have it21:43
SebthreeBQM10HDor usb21:43
ahoneybunalso might have the wireless display21:43
SebthreeBQM10HDahoneybun, how do you  get rc propsed anyway,  and is there any point really in general21:43
SebthreeBQM10HDor how stble etc21:43
ahoneybunit's a hit or miss sometime21:43
ahoneybunuse the ubuntu-flash-device command with the rc-proposed channel picked21:44
SebthreeBQM10HDahoneybun, if I enable it once I keep on getting?21:44
ahoneybunupdates are almost everyday21:44
ahoneybunother then weekends21:44
SebthreeBQM10HDas for the wirelessdisplay that's intersitng,but I don't have a  Microsoft display adapter yet21:44
ahoneybunwhat is the code name for the M10?21:46
ahoneybunubuntu-device-flash query --list-channels --device=21:46
ahoneybunwill list all channels21:46
ahoneybunjust need the codename of the device21:46
ahoneybunubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=21:46
ahoneybunput the channel in there and your off21:46
SebthreeBQM10HDahoneybun, yeah I read etc that most of the action happens in rc proposed, and the stuff that isn't to well dev21:47
* ahoneybun returns to Mr.Robot21:47
ahoneybunyea dev stuff21:47
ahoneybunyou can move back and forth21:47
SebthreeBQM10HDapparnatly there's an actsual dev channel to, like for a 16.04 version for example, but not much happens there21:47
ahoneybuneasiily21:47
SebthreeBQM10HDahoneybun, I can take what I Want from rc propsed early, and then just go back to stable updates ?21:47
ahoneybunbut once you do read and write is where it goes off board21:47
ahoneybunwell it redoes the system21:48
ahoneybunbut the apps stay21:48
ahoneybunwithout the --wipe option21:48
SebthreeBQM10HDahoneybun, are you one of the ubuntu touch devs?21:48
ahoneybunnot the core21:48
ahoneybunI'm kinda working on one app21:48
SebthreeBQM10HDwhich app?21:48
ahoneybunwell uBeginner is in the store now21:49
ahoneybunuCycle is a WIP and not listed21:49
SebthreeBQM10HDwhat's that?21:49
ahoneybunuCycle is for biking/motorcycles21:49
SebthreeBQM10HDoh right21:49
ahoneybuntells the weather if you should bike or drive21:49
ahoneybunor it will at some point21:49
SebthreeBQM10HDoh21:50
ahoneybunjust need to learn a bit more about JSON21:50
SebthreeBQM10HDoh right21:50
SebthreeBQM10HDahoneybun, yeah some interesitng stuff is on it's ay21:53
SebthreeBQM10HDway21:53
SebthreeBQM10HDahoneybun, want to do an event again in the city around here in October for LINUX presentaiton day21:53
SebthreeBQM10HDsimilar to soething that did before, but bigger  hopefully etc21:54
SebthreeBQM10HDand a bit more general etc21:54
SebthreeBQM10HDahoneybun, could show some Ubuntu Touch in that even :D21:54
ahoneybunSebthreeBQM10HD: go for it22:17
SebthreeBQM10HDahoneybun, event would be aimed at general public22:26
SebthreeBQM10HDahoneybun, want some creative commons stuff in thre to etc22:26
ahoneybungeneral public like tech too22:29
ahoneybunthey might like free software too22:29

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