[11:54] <luxpir> hi!
[11:56] <k1l_> hi
[12:34] <luxpir> anyone else had phone interface issues during calls?
[12:35] <davmor2> luxpir: nope
[12:35] <davmor2> luxpir: can you be a bit more specific and also let us know what channel you are on too please
[12:37] <luxpir> having to swipe onto another running process, tap back into the call to be able to hangup or touch dial
[12:40] <davmor2> nope never seen that but I think someone else said they had a while back
[12:56] <mterry> chrisccoulson, what's the story with oxide-qt-arm64 in the overlay?  Why does it exist there and only for xenial?
[12:58] <mterry> chrisccoulson, it's causing problems for unity8, because it means that webbrowser-app/xenial/arm64 builds, which means unity8/xenial/arm64 tries to build, but only that version.  And we get build failures there, which we're trying to figure out best way forward with
[15:35] <robinhero> Hi guys! I think I've found a really serious bug in OTA-12. Could somebody try to reproduce it? I had a call and tried to answer it with swipe, but unforunately I swiped the whole notification bubble. After that the phone was still ringing, but I couldn't do anything :)
[15:38] <peat-psuwit> robinhero: That's a known bug.
[15:39] <robinhero> peat-psuwit, could you link me the bug report? I can't find it
[15:39] <peat-psuwit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1512430
[15:41] <peat-psuwit> robinhero: ^
[15:43] <robinhero> peat-psuwit, thanks
[16:18] <Guest_84747> Allah is doing
[16:18] <Guest_84747> sun is not doing Allah is doing
[16:18] <Guest_84747> moon is not doing Allah is doing
[16:18] <Guest_84747> stars are not doing Allah is doing
[16:19] <Guest_84747> planets are not doing Allah is doing
[16:19] <Guest_84747> galaxies are not doing Allah is doing
[16:19] <Guest_84747> oceans are not doing Allah is doing
[16:19] <davmor2> Guest_84747: please stop
[16:20] <Guest_84747> mountains are not doing Allah is doing
[16:20] <Guest_84747> trees are not doing Allah is doing
[16:20] <davmor2> popey: ^
[16:20] <Guest_84747> mom is not doing Allah is doing
[16:20] <davmor2> anyone else an admin
[16:21] <Guest_84747> dad is not doing Allah is doing
[16:21] <Guest_84747> boss is not doing Allah is doing
[16:21] <Guest_84747> job is not doing Allah is doing
[16:21] <Guest_84747> dollar is not doing Allah is doing
[16:21] <Guest_84747> degree is not doing Allah is doing
[16:22] <Guest_84747> medicine is not doing Allah is doing
[16:22] <Guest_84747> customers are not doing Allah is doing
[16:23] <Guest_84747> you can not get a job without the permission of allah
[16:23] <Guest_84747> you can not get married without the permission of allah
[16:23] <Guest_84747> nobody can get angry at you without the permission of allah
[16:24] <Guest_84747> light is not doing Allah is doing
[16:24] <Guest_84747> fan is not doing Allah is doing
[16:24] <Guest_84747> businessess are not doing Allah is doing
[16:24] <Guest_84747> america is not doing Allah is doing
[16:24] <Guest_84747> fire can not burn without the permission of allah
[16:25] <Guest_84747> knife can not cut without the permission of allah
[16:25] <Guest_84747> rulers are not doing Allah is doing
[16:25] <dobey> k1l, popey, someone: ^^
[16:26] <dobey> this insanity again
[16:26] <dobey> thanks
[16:26] <davmor2> thanks
[16:27] <dobey> ops are not doing, chanserv is doing
[16:27] <mcphail> ha!
[16:27] <dobey> (pretty sure that was a bot)
[16:27] <davmor2> dobey: too evenly spaced to not be
[16:28] <dobey> so allah must be a script kiddie, because allah is doing
[16:29] <davmor2> dobey: no allah is just the name of the bot
[16:32] <davmor2> dobey: at least it proves there is one constant in the world, there will always be prats
[16:53] <ahayzen> sil2100, o/ davmor2 said to ask you about the state of (a)gps on mako, before the ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en used to include the HERE parts? Should this still work for mako, or has this been changed/broken?
[17:10] <altker128> Is there a way to download Touch scopes/apps without having a phone?  I.e. through web browser?
[17:17] <sil2100> ahayzen: hey! It basically should work, but I do not have the means to test that (no mako currently)
[17:18] <ahayzen> sil2100, ok, thanks :-)
[17:18] <sil2100> ahayzen: the custom tarball is shipping the HERE binaries there not sure if everything there works as it should
[17:18] <ahayzen> yeah it used to lock within seconds, now it takes a bit longer
[17:18] <sil2100> It's being updated from the click-package side, but the HERE binaries basically are the same as they were a year ago ;p
[17:20] <altker128> Does the latest HERE app work completely offline like the Android/iOS versions?
[17:20] <mhall119> mariogrip: do you mind if we postpone our call until tomorrow?
[17:29] <altker128> Is there a PC/desktop client to the click store that will let me download apps without having the phone connected to the Ubuntu Touch Click App store?
[17:29] <altker128> I need to some times install apps offline
[17:37] <mariogrip> mhall119: yeah, sure :)
[17:43] <dobey> altker128: unity8
[17:43] <dobey> altker128: but no, there isn't anything which will just download only
[17:54] <altker128> dobey: What about using the SDK/Emulator?
[17:56] <dobey> altker128: what about it? there is no client which only downloads the packages.
[17:56] <altker128> dobey: I'm asking if I could use the SDK/emulator to install arm click/touch apps
[17:57] <dobey> of course you can install apps in the emulator
[17:57] <dobey> you can't use the sdk to install apps from the store into some device, if that's what you're asking
[17:58] <altker128> Why's that?
[17:58] <dobey> because it doesn't make sense, really
[17:58] <altker128> If I understand correctly, the emulator emulates the entire device, so I could use the click store and install apps
[17:59] <altker128> I could then copy those apps off the emulator and install them into my device via command-line, right?
[17:59] <dobey> yes. as i said, you can install apps in the emulator
[18:00] <dobey> why wouldn't you just connect the device to wifi and install on the device?
[18:00] <dobey> running an arm emulator is unbeaerably slow though, and i'm not sure how well it works right now
[18:01] <altker128> I work in environments where there is no wifi or 3G/4G connectivity.
[18:02] <altker128> Kinda silly one can't download the apps WITHOUT the app store.  As limiting as Apple.
[18:03] <mhall119> you can install apps without the store
[18:04] <mhall119> if you have a .click you can copy it to your phone and install it from the commandline
[18:04] <altker128> mhall119: I'd like to install click apps but "sideload" them, like you can with Android or a jailbroken iPhone
[18:04] <altker128> mhall119: The issue is how do you download the .click from the Ubuntu click store?
[18:05] <mhall119> there's a URL you get from the store API
[18:05] <altker128> So, I can use uappexplorer.com to find apps, but I'm not sure how to wget them from the store
[18:07] <mhall119> you need to login to get the download url
[18:07] <altker128> mhall119: OK,  So can I do all of that from a desktop computer, rather than the phone?
[18:07] <mhall119> yeah, you just need to know the API make the right calls
[18:08] <altker128> mhall119: Is this documented anywhere I can take a look at?
[18:08] <mhall119> it's not going to be simple, for simplicity we made the store scope that does all of htis for you
[18:08] <mhall119> altker128: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppStore/Interfaces/ClickPackageIndex
[18:09] <altker128> mhall119: Is there a way (besides the slow emulator) to run the Click Store Scope on a Ubuntu Desktop to download the apps?
[18:09] <mhall119> you can run Unity 8, it's part of that
[18:10] <altker128> mhall119: So, if I have an x86 Ubuntu desktop running Unity 8, I could (with a valid login) download armhf click binaries?
[18:11] <mhall119> well, no, the store will only look for apps that you can run on your arch
[18:11] <mhall119> so really, you need to just use the API
[18:12] <mhall119> there you can specify armhf even if you're on x86
[18:12] <dobey> you can't just wget the url for the click from the store
[18:12] <dobey> you can make the store scope show a different arch than your device is
[18:12] <mhall119> you can once you get teh URL, which requires querying from the API
[18:12] <dobey> but it doesn't just download apps
[18:13] <altker128> mhall119: Are there any plans to enable offline downloading that doesn't need the API?  I know it might sound strange but there are lots of environments where phone/network connectivity isn't possible or is blocked.
[18:13] <dobey> the store downloads and installs, and then the downloaded .click file gets deleted
[18:14] <altker128> Wow, so even if you have a physical device and install apps, you can't copy them off as an "app bundle" ?
[18:14] <dobey> altker128: no, there are no plans to enable that
[18:14] <altker128> Well, to whom would I pose the request to then?
[18:15] <dobey> you can't install armhf packages on x86, because the architecture doesn't match
[18:15] <altker128> This is as restrictive as Apple's universe, which is pretty terrible
[18:15] <altker128> dobey: I want to DOWNLOAD using x86, install to armhf
[18:16] <dobey> then write a simple python script to download things and copy them to your device
[18:16] <altker128> Really, I don't get the hositility here.
[18:16] <altker128> This isn't an absurd request.
[18:16] <dobey> what hostility?
[18:16] <dobey> you asked how to do something, and i told you exactly how to do it
[18:18] <altker128> Your answer is, here's a bunch of parts, go build the solution.  I'm asking for the existing solution to be modified slightly to support more general use cases, which I think are important, and I think others want/need it too.
[18:19] <dobey> my answer is, there are no plans to provide a supported solution which makes it trivial to steal paid apps from the app store
[18:19] <altker128> I have ZERO desire to steal anything.
[18:20] <dobey> well, perhaps you are one of the honest ones. and that's fine.
[18:20] <altker128> There are dozens of free apps (open source) that users might want to install
[18:20] <mhall119> altker128: be fair now, you're intentionally avoiding the easy way that we worked to provide, so of course it's going to be more difficult
[18:21] <dobey> but don't come in here complaining and asking for things, and complain about me being hostile, simply because my answer is that there is no such solution, there are no plans to implement a supported solution for this, and giving you the exact method of how to do it
[18:21] <altker128> mhall119: The issue is unfortunately there are environments where either WiFI is block/non-working or cellular network connectivity isn't possible
[18:21] <mhall119> altker128: understood, but that's an edge case
[18:21] <dobey> you are literally the only person whom has ever asked for this.
[18:21] <mhall119> it's not impossible to do what you want, but it's not something we're going to put a lot of effort into making easy, because there aren't enough people who want it
[18:22] <dobey> and making it easy makes a lot of other things much harder
[18:22] <mhall119> sideloading apps on Ubuntu phones is easy
[18:22] <mhall119> accessing the Ubuntu store from a device that you don't want to use those apps on is not
[18:22] <mhall119> and it's not a use case many people are going you have
[18:23] <dobey> even so, the solution we would imlpement for accessing the store from another device, would be a web site, and enabling remote installation from the server; which would still require connectivity on the target device
[18:23] <altker128> Here's another person who wants this
[18:23] <altker128> http://askubuntu.com/questions/763892/ubuntu-touch-and-installing-click-packages-outside-of-ubuntu-app-store
[18:23] <altker128> For example
[18:23] <altker128> In Android land there's fdroid which has APKs that you can easily sideload into your device.  And, there's a LOT of people who do that for various reasons
[18:24] <dobey> that's not the same thing
[18:24] <mhall119> altker128: the API is there do do what you want, you build whatever scripts or services on top of that that you want to make it easier on you
[18:25] <dobey> sideloading apps once you have the click is very easy
[18:26] <dobey> anyway, i need to eat something
[18:26] <altker128> Can I backup a click from a real device?
[18:26] <altker128> i.e. use app store to install
[18:26] <mhall119> altker128: if you or somebody else wants to standup an http server to host click packages, then you can download them with wget
[18:26] <mhall119> altker128: you don't, clicks are unpacked and then the original package file is deleted (just like .debs are on the desktop)
[18:27] <altker128> I think there's some momentum already: https://open.uappexplorer.com/
[18:27] <mhall119> that's just how the install process works
[18:27] <davmor2> altker128: what is your problem with a store out of interest?
[18:28] <mhall119> altker128: the motivation behind the open store was more to work around confinement requirements from the primary store, not your specific use case
[18:28] <altker128> davmor2: I work with, and deploy devices in very locked down environments.  The ability to get a device going quickly (i.e. install these ten apps from one command-line) is very important.
[18:28] <mhall119> altker128: once you have those 10 apps, you can install them very easily
[18:29] <mhall119> you can get them either from the original author, or via the store API
[18:29] <altker128> mhall119: Yeah, the key here is being able to get those clicks, which looks like scripting is in order.
[18:30] <davmor2> altker128: actually the open store is just there as a way to circumvent some of the security features that are in play they are basically apps that are not allowed in the store as they break the security
[18:32] <davmor2> altker128: a lot of those apps in the open store have elevated permissions which would mean they could read from folder not created by the app for example
[18:32] <altker128> davmor2: I see, thanks for clarifying.
[18:33] <mhall119> that goes for any sideloaded app, in fact, since without the store's checks there's no guarantee that they will be run safely confined
[18:34] <mhall119> so be sure you trust what you run
[18:34] <altker128> mhall119: I follow you.
[18:35] <davmor2> altker128: being as there is only one user if all the devices are the same you could effectively copy the user section and copy it to all the devices over adb with a minimal script
[18:36] <altker128> davmor2: Same device == armhf , or same device == nexus 4, meizu pro 5, etc ?
[18:36] <davmor2> altker128: device not arch
[18:37] <davmor2> altker128: if they were all nexus4 then you could copy the user directory off a master save it as a tarball and copy it onto all the others over adb
[18:39] <mhall119> user partition, not directory, right?
[18:39] <altker128> davmor2: Yeah, potentially supported mixed environments, but same arch (armhf), so the ideal is to get that .click and then distribute via CLI.
[18:39] <altker128> davmor2: FYI, I can do something similar in iOS / iPhone land, can use the Apple tools to load in a bunch of IPAs (signed, not stolen, etc, etc)
[18:40] <davmor2> altker128: yeap just offering up another suggestion that was all :)
[18:40] <altker128> davmor2: Gotcha, thanks for that.
[18:41] <altker128> davmor2: Where/who in the installation process actually deletes the .click file upon successful installation ?
[18:41] <davmor2> altker128: as you know in the Linux world there are always a million way to do the say job :)
[18:57] <altker128> dumb question:  Is the source for the Touch Store app available somewhere?  I can found the core apps and community apps
[19:01] <mhall119> altker128: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/unity-scope-click/trunk/files/head:/scope/clickstore/
[19:07] <altker128> mhall119: Thanks!
[19:27] <Guest90006> quit
[19:29] <dobey> omg
[19:29] <dobey> yeah, the store isn't an app it's a scope
[19:29] <jonas_toth> hello guyes
[19:30] <jonas_toth> i have a question related to porting to a new device. is this the right place or shall i go to another channel?
[19:31] <dobey> this is the right place, but don't expect that anyone who may be able to answer you question will necessarily be here :)
[19:31] <dobey> many ghosts hang around :)
[19:32] <jonas_toth> haha ok :D
[19:32] <jonas_toth> basically what iam trying is to port to the nexus 9
[19:32] <jonas_toth> i never did a port, i followed tutorials to build cm and so
[19:32] <jonas_toth> but no real experience.
[19:32] <jonas_toth> what iam now questioning, is what git repos shall i add to my phablet directory, mentioned in the tutorial?
[19:33] <jonas_toth> and since mario grip has started a port as well, iam confused. he has a repo on github, which doesnt match the pattern described in the tutorial.
[19:33] <jonas_toth> can give me someone a little tipp?
[19:33] <dobey> you probabl want to talk to mariogrip :)
[19:33] <jonas_toth> yeah ;D
[19:34] <jonas_toth> i try it :)
[19:34] <jonas_toth> ty :)
[19:35] <dobey> to be fair, the tutorial is a bit dated, and mariogrip has been working on some things to make porting easier
[19:35] <dobey> so probably best to follow what he's doing there
[19:36] <jonas_toth> alright. so most likely its using his repo, and try to build from it?
[19:37] <jonas_toth> and how do the kernel repo and the device repo relate? are they built completly independent?
[19:39] <dobey> beyond my knowledge at the moment :)
[19:39] <jonas_toth> alright. thank you for the help :)
[19:39] <jonas_toth> lets see what mario says.
[21:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[21:33] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh ota 12 delaye untill next week, whys that?
[21:40] <ahoneybun> SebthreeBQM10HD: the email gives some detail into it
[21:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ahoneybun, link or something,I amnot on a mailing list
[21:40] <SebthreeBQM10HD> maybe I should join for ubuntu touch
[21:41] <ahoneybun> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone
[21:41] <ahoneybun> this is the mailing list
[21:41] <ahoneybun> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg21640.html
[21:41] <ahoneybun> msg talking about the delay
[21:41] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh ok thanks :)
[21:42] <ahoneybun> np
[21:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ahoneybun, the on screen keyboard updte was coming in tht one I thought
[21:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> no longer needing bluetooth for libertine ?
[21:42] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ahoneybun, wanted to show that to some people at my LUG on Saturday
[21:43] <ahoneybun> the OSK works no?
[21:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> I thought that was in OTA 12?
[21:43] <ahoneybun> ohhh
[21:43] <ahoneybun> that
[21:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> so woudn't need bluetooth anymore for libertine
[21:43] <ahoneybun> rc-proposed might have it
[21:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or usb
[21:43] <ahoneybun> also might have the wireless display
[21:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ahoneybun, how do you  get rc propsed anyway,  and is there any point really in general
[21:43] <SebthreeBQM10HD> or how stble etc
[21:43] <ahoneybun> it's a hit or miss sometime
[21:44] <ahoneybun> use the ubuntu-flash-device command with the rc-proposed channel picked
[21:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ahoneybun, if I enable it once I keep on getting?
[21:44] <ahoneybun> updates are almost everyday
[21:44] <ahoneybun> other then weekends
[21:44] <SebthreeBQM10HD> as for the wirelessdisplay that's intersitng,but I don't have a  Microsoft display adapter yet
[21:46] <ahoneybun> what is the code name for the M10?
[21:46] <ahoneybun> ubuntu-device-flash query --list-channels --device=
[21:46] <ahoneybun> will list all channels
[21:46] <ahoneybun> just need the codename of the device
[21:46] <ahoneybun> ubuntu-device-flash touch --channel=
[21:46] <ahoneybun> put the channel in there and your off
[21:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ahoneybun, yeah I read etc that most of the action happens in rc proposed, and the stuff that isn't to well dev
[21:47]  * ahoneybun returns to Mr.Robot
[21:47] <ahoneybun> yea dev stuff
[21:47] <ahoneybun> you can move back and forth
[21:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> apparnatly there's an actsual dev channel to, like for a 16.04 version for example, but not much happens there
[21:47] <ahoneybun> easiily
[21:47] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ahoneybun, I can take what I Want from rc propsed early, and then just go back to stable updates ?
[21:47] <ahoneybun> but once you do read and write is where it goes off board
[21:48] <ahoneybun> well it redoes the system
[21:48] <ahoneybun> but the apps stay
[21:48] <ahoneybun> without the --wipe option
[21:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ahoneybun, are you one of the ubuntu touch devs?
[21:48] <ahoneybun> not the core
[21:48] <ahoneybun> I'm kinda working on one app
[21:48] <SebthreeBQM10HD> which app?
[21:49] <ahoneybun> well uBeginner is in the store now
[21:49] <ahoneybun> uCycle is a WIP and not listed
[21:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> what's that?
[21:49] <ahoneybun> uCycle is for biking/motorcycles
[21:49] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh right
[21:49] <ahoneybun> tells the weather if you should bike or drive
[21:49] <ahoneybun> or it will at some point
[21:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh
[21:50] <ahoneybun> just need to learn a bit more about JSON
[21:50] <SebthreeBQM10HD> oh right
[21:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ahoneybun, yeah some interesitng stuff is on it's ay
[21:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> way
[21:53] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ahoneybun, want to do an event again in the city around here in October for LINUX presentaiton day
[21:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> similar to soething that did before, but bigger  hopefully etc
[21:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> and a bit more general etc
[21:54] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ahoneybun, could show some Ubuntu Touch in that even :D
[22:17] <ahoneybun> SebthreeBQM10HD: go for it
[22:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ahoneybun, event would be aimed at general public
[22:26] <SebthreeBQM10HD> ahoneybun, want some creative commons stuff in thre to etc
[22:29] <ahoneybun> general public like tech too
[22:29] <ahoneybun> they might like free software too