[00:15] <diddledan> interesting: https://veertu.com
[00:16] <diddledan> run virtual machines on your mac without custom kernel modules
[00:16] <diddledan> (using hypervisor.framework)
[00:16]  * diddledan gives it a go
[00:20]  * zmoylan-pi casts ward corruption on diddledan's mac
[00:21] <diddledan> aww, won’t let me install from iso in the freebie
[00:24] <daftykins> o0
[00:30] <m0nkey_> Fusion4Lyfe!
[00:32] <diddledan> the problem I have is I want to run docker (which now uses the hypervisor framework) in addition to a win10vm in addition to vagrant (which charges for vmware capability)
[01:43]  * daftykins rams diddledan 
[01:44] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/so3sjnde3hrvs3e/IMG_20160718_024118.jpg?dl=0
[01:44] <diddledan> oh myy
[01:44]  * diddledan is rammed
[01:44] <diddledan> the new ones are on the left?
[01:44] <daftykins> left hand stuff came out of my server - right hand stuff i've been testing in these different boxes
[01:44] <diddledan> aah
[01:45] <daftykins> the juggling continues!
[01:45] <diddledan> lol
[01:46] <daftykins> i'm thinking i could put the working good mobo from the coolermaster stacker server type case into the smaller case and consider it more saleable as a desktop
[01:56] <diddledan> time for me to hit the sack methinks
[01:58] <daftykins> nn sir o/
[06:58] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:29] <knightwise> good morning everyone
[07:36] <popey> Greetings from Heidelberg
[07:44] <knightwise> popey: Have some BratWurst!
[07:46] <popey> Hah! I probably will at some point
[07:47] <knightwise> Weather ok over ther e,
[07:47] <knightwise>  ?
[07:47] <knightwise> pretty smoochie warm here in .be
[08:02] <popey> yeah, pretty warm here
[08:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[08:08] <MooDoo> morning davmor2 et al
[08:09] <davmor2> MooDoo: oh get you mr foreign la di da
[08:12] <popey>  😃
[08:14] <davmor2> popey: how was your break good sir?
[08:14] <TwistedLucidity> 23°C here right now....
[08:15] <TwistedLucidity> Hence I am wearing the lightwieght hiking kit with zip-off bits.
[08:15] <TwistedLucidity> Maye get a bucket of ise for feet later
[08:15] <Myrtti> 27 in the bedroom the whole night. I think I'll start cooking the dinner now so we can just microwave it in the evening
[08:15] <knightwise> Myrtti: thats bad
[08:15] <TwistedLucidity> It's my Siberian Husky I feel sorry for....
[08:16] <Myrtti> instead of going to the kitchen with the conservatory heating it up all night
[08:17] <Myrtti> er, day
[08:20] <foobarry> ARM got taken over :(
[08:20] <popey> davmor2: very
[08:20] <foobarry> owned shares in the since 1999
[08:20] <knightwise> so how about the ubuntu forum hack
[08:21] <knightwise> is it as bad as they say ?
[08:21] <popey> define bad
[08:21] <popey> https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/07/15/notice-of-security-breach-on-ubuntu-forums/ covers it
[08:22] <Myrtti> foobarry: softbank was extremely good owner to Supercell
[08:22] <davmor2> knightwise: only user names which they can get as easily by setting up a bot to look through google+ facebook and twitter
[08:23] <davmor2> foobarry: they aren't moving it from cambridge and they are looking to double the staff to improve throughput for the internet of things I'd say your share will only get better :)
[08:24] <foobarry> shame to lose a fine british owned company thoguh. now profits sucked out of the country.
[08:24] <foobarry> the share will be bought out by the new owners for a premium
[08:24] <foobarry> i would have been a millionaire had i bought the acorn shares when i wanted to but didnt knwo hoiw
[08:24] <davmor2> foobarry: oh I'm sorry you think we have industry in the UK still ;)
[08:25] <Myrtti> that wasn't exactly what happened with supercell. most of the profits were put back in
[08:26] <davmor2> Myrtti: doubling the 3000 workforce won't be cheap so I'd say that was a huge investment in itself
[08:26] <Myrtti> yup
[08:27] <Myrtti> I'd be more worried what happens when they decide to sell
[08:29] <foobarry> its better than intel buying them though
[08:30] <foobarry> or MS , AMD, etc
[08:55] <JamesTait> Good morning!  Happy Monday, and happy Caviar Day! 😃
[09:00] <TwistedLucidity> Strange that they'd pick now to do this, what with Article 50 looming.
[09:00] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[09:01] <foobarry> share price increased by 20% over last few months though
[09:02] <foobarry> i checked my avg cost per share of my shareholding
[09:02] <foobarry> hard to tell as i locked in profits over the years.
[09:02] <popey> Article 50 won't be invoked at all. Is my prediction.
[09:03] <popey> Brexit department under David Davies will be allowed to fail.
[09:03] <foobarry> quite possibly
[09:05] <TwistedLucidity> foobarry: Sell yer shares, retire to Caymans.
[09:06] <foobarry> i think some people are suggesting keeping them in case there is a counter bid, but i think there is already agreement
[09:06] <TwistedLucidity> Ah, sorry. Thought the deal was done-and-dusted
[09:07] <foobarry> pretty much
[09:07] <foobarry> the share price has already gone up to reflect that
[09:08] <foobarry> but i bought in the dotcom boom when prices were high
[09:08] <foobarry> i have made a profit but not the kind it would have been if i bought 10yrs ago
[09:09] <TwistedLucidity> Hindsight is always 20/20
[09:09] <TwistedLucidity> I keep meaning to buy some share tracker wotsits, but life keeps getting in the way
[09:10] <foobarry> apart from a pittance left in hornby shares
[09:10] <foobarry> i only have ARM
[09:10] <foobarry> the only 2 companies i believed in
[09:10] <TwistedLucidity> Only shares I hold are in my employer.
[09:10] <foobarry> or just liked their products in the case of hornby :S
[11:28] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[11:28] <MooDoo> howdy bigcalm
[11:40] <knightwise> hey bigcalm , MooDoo
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[11:57] <popey> hello bigcalm
[11:57] <popey> hello mappps' cat
[12:01] <knightwise> mappps: that was ... moving :p
[12:03] <knightwise> popey popey , seen this ?https://www.lynda.com/…/Up-Running-Ubuntu-De…/159637-2.html…
[12:03] <knightwise> Free at Linda.com
[12:08] <bigcalm> knightwise: might need a better URI
[12:09] <bigcalm> With fewer ellipsis
[12:09] <knightwise> sorry , bad terminal , using cygwin (sucks)
[12:39] <MooDoo> :)
[13:36]  * webpigeon thinks that mappps' comment has some positives and some negatives...
[13:37] <diddledan> http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/war/swans-to-replace-trident-2014082089746
[14:04] <diddledan> have you ever seen swans surfing? blob:https://www.youtube.com/58183441-123c-4c81-ab3f-59e2039d2492
[14:04] <diddledan> argh wrong link
[14:04] <diddledan> https://youtu.be/pja3UPlNHN8
[14:36] <diddledan> ARM are selling! http://www.macrumors.com/2016/07/18/uk-chip-designer-arm-acquired-softbank/
[14:37] <MooDoo> yeah apparently they are not moving it, just japanese buyers
[15:04] <foobarry> for now
[15:44] <diddledan> I’ve just put an order in to move broadband onto a&a
[15:45] <diddledan> \o/ native IP6!
[15:47] <diddledan> also. none of that nasty censorship crud
[19:26] <diddledan_> wow: https://blogs.dropbox.com/tech/2016/07/lepton-image-compression-saving-22-losslessly-from-images-at-15mbs/
[19:35] <daftykins> my my
[19:53] <ali1234> 15 mb per second isn't actually that fast
[19:56] <ali1234> 22% over already compressed data is impressive though
[19:56] <diddledan_> especially as it's lossless
[19:57] <ali1234> yeah... although the original JPEG compression isn't lossless in the first place
[19:57] <ali1234> what they mean here by lossless though is that they can compress user's files and the user cannot tell
[19:57] <diddledan_> yeah but lossy on top of lossy would be lossy^2
[19:57] <ali1234> it's not just lossless, the original file is unmodified when uncompressed
[19:57] <ali1234> which is a kind of odd goal
[19:57] <ali1234> but not if you are dropbox
[19:59] <diddledan_> generational degradation is exponential with lossy compression
[19:59] <diddledan_> that's why you should never edit a jpg and only save the final into jpg if you want quality
[20:00] <ali1234> yes but this has additional consstraints
[20:01] <ali1234> you can represent the same image in multiple ways with jpeg, this can't allow that to happen
[20:01] <diddledan_> lossless means that the uncompressed result is identical to the original, so I'm not seeing why you think that's an oddness
[20:01] <ali1234> if it did it would technically still be lossless, but no use for dropbox cos people would wonder why their images have a different checksum
[20:01] <diddledan_> if the checksum changes then it's not lossless
[20:01] <ali1234> sure it is
[20:02] <diddledan_> zip is lossless because the files you get out are identical to what you put in
[20:02] <diddledan_> I think you're misunderstanding the meaning of lossless
[20:02] <ali1234> no, i think you are
[20:02] <diddledan_> lossless means literally nothing is changes
[20:02] <diddledan_> d
[20:02] <diddledan_> i.e. you don't "lose" anything
[20:02] <ali1234> if i take a 24 bit PNG and convert it to indexed, it will be smaller. that is lossless compression
[20:03] <diddledan_> nope
[20:03] <ali1234> it will contain the same data
[20:03] <diddledan_> nope
[20:03] <diddledan_> checksum different means your compression has lost something or added something
[20:03] <ali1234> that's clearly not true
[20:04] <diddledan_> note that "preception" doesn't count with compression schemes
[20:04] <diddledan_> loss and non-loss with compression is about the bits not whether it still quacks
[20:04] <ali1234> then PNG can never be lossless
[20:05] <ali1234> also zip cannot be lossless
[20:05] <diddledan_> sure it can
[20:05] <ali1234> it doesn't preserve all file metadata
[20:05] <diddledan_> a text file added into a zip file with the word "flummox" will still read "flummox" when you extract it
[20:05] <ali1234> is that ascii or unicode?
[20:05] <diddledan_> i.e. the bits are identical
[20:06] <diddledan_> it doesn't matter because the zip format is input agnostic
[20:06] <ali1234> lepton isn't
[20:06] <diddledan_> you give zip a file.
[20:06] <ali1234> that's the point
[20:06] <diddledan_> yes and lepton is lossless
[20:06] <ali1234> it can only compress jpegs
[20:07] <diddledan_> but lepton is only lossless with jpeg. I fail to see why that is confusing you
[20:07] <diddledan_> it is producing the exact bits that are input when they're output
[20:08] <ali1234> it isn't confusing me
[20:09] <diddledan_> the reason lepton can only do jpeg is because it is designed to utilise compression artifacts of jpeg's format to improve in a lossless way the compression ratio
[20:10] <diddledan_> it's two step - you make a jpeg with standard jpeg compression and then you lepton it to reduce storage requirements further
[20:10] <diddledan_> in the reverse direction you will get exactly the same bits output from the lepton process that you put in
[20:11] <ali1234> as i keep saying "same bits out" isn't a requirement for lossless compression. it only has to output the same information
[20:11] <diddledan_> that is lossless, then your computer will decompress the jpeg data which WILL be different to the original image data that were input in bitmap form to jpeg compression
[20:11] <ali1234> information is not the same thing as "bits"
[20:12] <diddledan_> with computer compression schemes lossless and not is about the bits.
[20:12] <diddledan_> otherwise you'd be able to say that jpeg CAN BE lossless
[20:12] <ali1234> um... it can
[20:12] <diddledan_> only if you don't compress AT ALL
[20:13] <diddledan_> from wiki: Lossless compression is used in cases where it is important that the original and the decompressed data be identical
[20:13] <diddledan_> data = bits
[20:18] <ali1234> no, jpeg can do lossless compression
[20:18] <ali1234> but by your definition it isn't really lossless, because you can't get back the original file. the image data is unchanged though
[20:18] <diddledan_> the image data IS the original file
[20:18] <ali1234> no it isn't
[20:19] <ali1234> the image data is the uncompressed jpeg
[20:19] <diddledan_> yes it is. you input into jpeg a bitmap. you get out a bitmap
[20:19] <ali1234> yes
[20:20] <ali1234> bitmap -> jpeg -> identical bitmap
[20:20] <ali1234> i can also do bitmap -> jpeg -> different jpeg -> identical bitmap
[20:20] <ali1234> this is still lossless
[20:20] <diddledan_> in an uncompressed jpeg, yes, in a compressed jpeg --- bitmap -> jpeg -> different bitmap
[20:20] <ali1234> bitmap -> jpeg -> lepton -> different jpeg -> identical bitmap would also be lossless
[20:21] <diddledan_> you can't compress a jpeg with jpeg again and get the same resultant bitmap as you got from the output of the first jpeg pass though
[20:21] <ali1234> that isn't a requirement
[20:21] <diddledan_> therefore IT IS LOSSY
[20:21] <diddledan_> FFS
[20:21] <ali1234> the only requirement is that two jpegs uncompress to an identical bitmap, which is entirely possible
[20:23] <ali1234> besides, you absolutely can do that
[20:23] <ali1234> bitmap -> jpeg -> jpeg lossless -> bitmap
[20:23] <ali1234> the second one would be bigger though
[20:24] <diddledan_> your example including lepton wouldn't be -> different jpeg. it would be the original jpeg recreated
[20:24] <ali1234> yes, that is what makes lepton so unusual
[20:24] <diddledan_> that's not unusual
[20:24] <diddledan_> zip
[20:24] <ali1234> name something else that does it?
[20:24] <diddledan_> gzip
[20:24] <diddledan_> xzip
[20:24] <diddledan_> they ALL do the same thing
[20:24] <ali1234> none of those are tied to a specific input format
[20:24] <diddledan_> so?
[20:24] <ali1234> lepton is
[20:24] <diddledan_> so?
[20:25] <ali1234> that's why it is unusual
[20:25] <diddledan_> why?
[20:25] <diddledan_> what makes being tied to a particular file format unusual?
[20:25] <diddledan_> lossless compression it still is
[20:25] <diddledan_> lossless means nothing lost ffs
[20:25] <ali1234> being tied to a specific input format and also being binary-transparent is what makes it unusual
[20:26] <ali1234> i never said it wasn't lossless
[20:26] <ali1234> i said it is more than lossless
[20:26] <ali1234> because lossless doesn't require binary-transparency
[20:26] <diddledan_> YES IT DOES
[20:27] <diddledan_> that's the whole meaning of lossless
[20:27] <ali1234> you keep saying that, but you have nothing to back it up, and it's a definition which precludes most types of lossless compression
[20:27] <diddledan_> name one lossless compression which is cited elsewhere as being lossless where the binary input stream is different from the binary output stream..
[20:28] <diddledan_> and by binary output I mean the uncompressed data in-memory
[20:30] <diddledan_> also the headers don't count unless they're also compressed by the same mechanism as the body
[20:30] <diddledan_> it's the body data we're interested in
[20:30] <diddledan_> i.e. the bits that have the compression applied to them
[20:31] <ali1234> converting a JPEG to a PNG fits this definition
[20:32] <diddledan_> the bitmap output from jpeg is what would be considered the input to png's compression and therefore the stream input will be identical to the stream output. you failed.
[20:32] <ali1234> no, you failed
[20:32] <ali1234> that's precisely why lepton is unusual
[20:32] <ali1234> it has this property that the original jpeg file can be reconstructed
[20:33] <ali1234> no other compression schemes have this property except for file-agnostic ones
[20:34] <ali1234> (lepton isn't a stream compressor)
[20:34] <ali1234> i know they claim it is, but it isn't
[20:35] <ali1234> actually i wonder what happens if you feed it a non-jpeg file
[20:35] <ali1234> maybe it just doesn't compress it at all
[20:35] <ali1234> that would make it a stream compressor i huess
[20:35] <diddledan_> it will either not-compress or it will depress
[20:36] <diddledan_> the only reason they say it works on jpeg is because the algorithm is tuned to the patterns that jpeg compression gives-rise to. you can feed lepton anything and get back the same result
[20:36] <ali1234> that's cool then
[20:36] <diddledan_> lepton will probably cause your non-jpeg file to be bigger though
[20:37] <ali1234> let's test it
[20:37] <ali1234> i'm checking out the source
[20:37] <diddledan_> all compression will have the same problems. not everything can be compressed by your chosen compressor and therefore due to mathematics some things you feed it will be bigger in their "compressed" form
[20:39] <diddledan_> everything I've said is backed-up by wiki (the oracle of man whom shall be trusted in all topics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lossless_compression
[20:39] <ali1234> it doesn't compress non-jpeg files
[20:40] <diddledan_> are you sure the algorithm doesn't, or is it just that they neutered the tooling to reject it
[20:41] <ali1234> hard to say, the source is quite big
[20:42] <ali1234> it looks like it really only handles jpeg, because what it does is take a jpeg and compress only the coefficients
[20:49] <ali1234> from the comments: https://github.com/packjpg/packJPG
[20:55] <diddledan_> arg @ idiots outside on mopeds
[21:12] <m0nkey_> diddledan_, you played with osx sierra yet?
[21:13] <diddledan_> not in earnest
[21:13] <daftykins> i don't think there's anything in it of worth
[21:14] <diddledan_> siri!
[21:14] <daftykins> Apple iterate too fast now, all their OSs seem to suffer
[21:14] <diddledan_> :-p
[21:14] <daftykins> pfft that's gimmicky rubbish
[21:17] <diddledan_> icloud all the things!
[21:17] <daftykins> ugh :P
[21:17] <daftykins> must say, Apple's storage rates are quite low
[21:21] <diddledan_> trident being renewed: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36830923
[21:22] <diddledan_> 472 v 117 in favour
[21:30] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[21:31] <diddledan_> yeesh, is that nickname long enough?!
[21:31] <SebthreeBQM10HD> diddledan whatever to people like you,  I have this nick with good enough reasons
[21:32] <diddledan_> people like me.. I'll have you know there's nobody else like me!
[21:32] <m0nkey_> thank goodness
[21:32] <diddledan_> shush you :-[p
[21:32] <diddledan_> err wonky smilie
[21:33] <diddledan_> better than a wonky donkey I guess
[21:33]  * diddledan_ refrains from mentioning wonky winkies in here 'cos I need to remain family-friendly
[21:34] <diddledan_> wait, did I say that out loud?
[21:34] <diddledan_> damn
[21:36] <diddledan_> interesting: https://cloudplatform.googleblog.com/2016/06/GitHub-on-BigQuery-analyze-all-the-open-source-code.html
[21:55]  * m0nkey_ is re-watching Red Dwarf from Season 1
[21:55] <m0nkey_> Now on Season 2, Parallel Universe
[21:55] <diddledan_> dang
[21:55] <diddledan_> that's a lotta dwarf
[21:56] <m0nkey_> It just played "Tongue tied"
[21:56] <m0nkey_> That song makes me smile every time
[21:57] <m0nkey_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3t3IKlXqFU
[21:57] <m0nkey_> Then there was a professional version done later
[21:57] <m0nkey_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU1XYvIUOrM
[21:57] <m0nkey_> It hit No 17 in the charts
[21:58] <m0nkey_> In 1993
[22:02] <diddledan_> this came up next: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4gXaq0fmzk
[22:02] <m0nkey_> lol
[22:06] <m0nkey_> Im preparing for the new series this September :)
[22:10] <daftykins> diddledan_: he was rude to you :(
[22:10] <m0nkey_> ?
[22:11] <daftykins> nah not you, sir
[22:21] <daftykins> https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/files/2016/07/ClHnIgKWYAAK0IM.jpg&w=3000
[22:21] <daftykins> pilot snaps a thunderstorm near Panama
[22:21] <diddledan_> NICE!
[22:23] <diddledan_> a shareable link is https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/files/2016/07/ClHnIgKWYAAK0IM.jpg (for facebooks)
[22:24] <daftykins> yeah i was being impatient, i already cut that one down from a nasty image viewer
[22:25] <diddledan_> lol
[22:25] <daftykins> only saw the two segments on pasting :<
[22:34] <daftykins> mmm thai red curry cooking
[22:37] <diddledan_> just been reminiscing over old phones - my parents had this when I was a kid: http://www.gpotelephones.com/USERIMAGES/Picture%20266.jpg
[22:45] <diddledan_> daftykins I've made that thunderstorm my desktop image now
[22:52] <daftykins> :D
[23:09] <zmoylan-pi> classic pots. plain old telephone system
[23:09] <zmoylan-pi> near indestructible
[23:10] <daftykins> one of my uni lecturers told us about how some high up meeting was started by a fella saying "we're going to talk about POTS and PANS today!"
[23:14] <zmoylan-pi> pans personal area networks?
[23:14] <daftykins> don't think so
[23:14] <daftykins> given the era he seemed to be referring to
[23:15] <zmoylan-pi> bt now does stretch back into the ancient era... :-)
[23:15] <zmoylan-pi> bluetooth that is not british telecom...
[23:20] <diddledan_> android nuggit
[23:21] <diddledan_> with the emphasis on the git
[23:21] <diddledan_> apparently the developer preview is out (who knew?!)
[23:23] <zmoylan-pi> the nsa, gchq, fsb...
[23:24] <daftykins> yeah for quite a while, unfortunately they're ignoring my Nexus 5 for it which leads me to believe it isn't going to get N
[23:26] <zmoylan-pi> it's more than a few months old and is thus obsolete...
[23:26] <daftykins> yeah, this is what irritates me about the phone situation
[23:27] <daftykins> gotta be current to stay patched and secure, but have to keep shelling out to do so - i just want no part of it :/
[23:28] <zmoylan-pi> there are 1-2 build your own rasp pi franken phones
[23:29] <daftykins> ;)
[23:29] <daftykins> no battery
[23:29] <zmoylan-pi> use a mifi for data voip. then a pi with touch screen for io and a powerpack
[23:31] <daftykins> nah no contracts for data for me
[23:31] <zmoylan-pi> use prepay for data
[23:31] <daftykins> not viable over here
[23:32] <zmoylan-pi> ah, yeah, they are trying to eliminate prepay here to.  only tesco left in prepay market.  the rest sell rolling contracts under name prepay
[23:34] <daftykins> i don't really use mobile data too, being an island i'm only ever out and about in the town with mates, or at a place with wifi
[23:34] <daftykins> gonna need to do something in the US this september though :)
[23:34] <zmoylan-pi> then lose the mifi
[23:35] <zmoylan-pi> i use mobile date 1-2 days a month.  usually when i'm playing dnd.  means i spend e5 every 2-3 months for phone credit
[23:35] <daftykins> heh
[23:38] <zmoylan-pi> i see contracts been advertised all the time for #30-40 a month and i wonder just how much data people use on those contracts...
[23:40] <zmoylan-pi> and one of our customers back in the days of video rentals had a daughter who spent about 3,000 a month on mobile phone service... pre data... voice and sms while abroad...
[23:42] <daftykins> i think they're all mugs swayed by these silly flagship phones, can't believe it when they're daft enough to let themselves be locked into such rates just to buy a toy
[23:42] <daftykins> "oh but it's free!" - *facepalm*
[23:43] <diddledan_> how long does 200watts last? http://readwrite.com/2016/07/18/bae-systems-wearable-smart-vest-vt4/
[23:43] <diddledan_> idiot journo thinks watts is a capacity of battery
[23:44] <diddledan_> "The vest is capable of providing 200 watts of power to devices, before it needs to be recharged back at HQ."
[23:45] <diddledan_> daftykins: I like toys!
[23:45] <diddledan_> daftykins: moar toys!
[23:48] <daftykins> noooo
[23:50] <zmoylan-pi> yellow weather alert for tuesday... 29c possible... i feel whoozy already thinking about it...
[23:50] <diddledan_> omg, not yellow weather!
[23:50] <diddledan_> I hate yellow weather
[23:51] <zmoylan-pi> shiny ball in the sky warning...
[23:51] <diddledan_> ooh, first contact with aliens?
[23:52] <Myrtti> whee bedroom temp is down to 27 already! parteeee
[23:52] <chron> sorry what is yellow weather lol
[23:52]  * daftykins links it to yellow snow
[23:53] <diddledan_> Myrtti: sticky night in bed tonight then :-(
[23:53] <daftykins> i'm sleeping on my sofa at the moment because it reaches 30 deg C up in the bedroom >_<
[23:53] <Myrtti> as always
[23:53] <diddledan_> daftykins: :-(
[23:53] <chron> too hot
[23:53] <Myrtti> I've got a sports shirt on
[23:53] <Myrtti> doesn't help much, but It's something
[23:54] <chron> its nice and cool outside though
[23:54] <zmoylan-pi> i have small 6" fan in bedroom... wonderful breeze... washed hair before bed adding extra cooling as it dries...
[23:54] <diddledan_> I changed my sheets yesterday. helps a bit to have new bedding for a few days
[23:55] <diddledan_> lurve the first night in changed sheets
[23:57] <daftykins> :D
[23:57] <daftykins> clean and showered in the evening, clean bed clothing and PJs/what have you - no chance in 'ell of getting up
[23:57] <zmoylan-pi> and also a hot shower so that when you get out you feel wonderfully cool.
[23:57] <diddledan_> lol, yup
[23:58] <daftykins> after 3 years of living here i only just found out the bathroom window upper portion *isn't* painted shut after all
[23:58] <daftykins> finally i don't die of heat having a shower in summer ;_;
[23:59] <diddledan_> ooh.. https://webtorrent.io