| anton_may | mornings | 05:30 |
|---|---|---|
| paddatrapper | Morning everyone | 05:50 |
| anton_may | https://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/07/15/notice-of-security-breach-on-ubuntu-forums/ | 06:05 |
| thatgraemeguy | mornings | 06:10 |
| anton_may | o/ | 06:12 |
| Kilos | o/ | 06:12 |
| Kilos | morning everyone | 06:12 |
| SEptic | morning | 06:30 |
| Kilos | hi SEptic inetpro and others | 06:30 |
| Kilos | hi Cryterion | 06:30 |
| Cryterion | Morning | 06:30 |
| Kilos | seen superfly | 06:30 |
| Kilos | Maaz seen superfly | 06:31 |
| Maaz | Kilos: superfly was last seen 11 hours, 31 minutes and 29 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-07-17 11:59:37 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2016-07-17 23:03:03 PDT | 06:31 |
| Kilos | wb superfly | 06:34 |
| Kilos | morning | 06:34 |
| === urbanslug is now known as zipper | ||
| SEptic | ... busy installing kubuntu | 07:59 |
| inetpro | good evening | 08:17 |
| Kilos | wbb | 08:20 |
| Sicelo | good morning | 08:28 |
| magespawn | good morning | 08:28 |
| Sicelo | :) | 08:28 |
| Sicelo | want to hear about my KDE experience? | 08:29 |
| Sicelo | i definitely find that for me, both KDE & Gnome are fine .. they are all just launchers .. moving to KDE last night i sturggled to find two WM feature that i generally 'depend' on : 1. focus-follows-mouse, and 2. multiple workspaces. | 08:31 |
| magespawn | have not used KDE that much, last time was about 5 years ago | 08:33 |
| Sicelo | eventually found the workspace config (gnome enables them by default). focus-follows-mouse was harder to get, but after some online searching, got it too .. i'll stick with KDE on the old lappy, but yes, either KDE or Gnome wfm .. | 08:33 |
| Sicelo | now got to find how to make konqueror a proper web browser, instaed of being half-browser & half-file manager | 08:34 |
| Sicelo | what do you use magespawn? | 08:37 |
| magespawn | kali linux and debian, both gnome based | 08:38 |
| Sicelo | awesome. debian for me too | 08:41 |
| magespawn | thei version of kali is debian based, so essentially debian' | 08:42 |
| magespawn | this | 08:48 |
| Sicelo | yes, kli is maintained by Raphael Hertzog .. a DD ;) | 08:50 |
| inetpro | Sicelo: what's wrong with Dolphin? | 08:54 |
| inetpro | I don't even have konqueror installed | 08:55 |
| inetpro | dolphin is the default file manager on KDE these days | 08:56 |
| * inetpro uses mainly Firefox for web browsing | 08:56 | |
| MaN1 | why not krusader :p | 08:57 |
| === MaN1 is now known as MaNI | ||
| inetpro | Maaz: is www.krusader.org down? | 09:01 |
| Maaz | inetpro: Yes, http://www.krusader.org/ is down (Server is not responding) | 09:01 |
| inetpro | MaNI: convince kde guys to make it the default | 09:02 |
| * theblazehen wishes I could snapshot and roll back physical hardware | 09:02 | |
| * theblazehen starts thinking about zfs snapshots and CRIU | 09:03 | |
| inetpro | theblazehen: what broke? | 09:03 |
| Rynomster | morning peoplez :) | 09:04 |
| Sicelo | inetpro: dolphin is perfectly fine. i hate that konqueror is a dolphin-wannabe | 09:04 |
| inetpro | theblazehen: use rsnapshot | 09:05 |
| inetpro | Sicelo: no, no... konqueror used to be awesome | 09:05 |
| MaNI | konqueror existed long before dolphin though | 09:05 |
| MaNI | so you can't really say its a 'dolphin-wannabe' | 09:05 |
| Sicelo | for me it is :) | 09:05 |
| inetpro | dolphin only came later | 09:06 |
| MaNI | basically when kde4 came out, they tried to make konqueror a web browser only and split the file managing stuff out into dolphin | 09:06 |
| Sicelo | file-manager wannabe then :) | 09:06 |
| MaNI | but a lot of people missed various konqueror functionality, so they back peddled a bit - so konqueror continues to do both as well | 09:06 |
| Sicelo | KISS principle ... | 09:06 |
| inetpro | konqueror became too much of everything for everyone and became very difficult to maintain | 09:07 |
| inetpro | and dolphin started off as a very basic file manager because of the difficulties in maintaining konqueror | 09:07 |
| Sicelo | anyway, KDE works. Gnome works. good enough for me :) | 09:08 |
| Sicelo | i'll keep KDE on the lappy, and Gnome on my PC | 09:09 |
| inetpro | at first look, dolphin is a very simple file manager, but it has many talents these days and is very stable now as well | 09:10 |
| MaNI | I'd not actually recommend konqueror as a browser at this point though, I must say | 09:11 |
| inetpro | https://userbase.kde.org/Dolphin | 09:11 |
| MaNI | if you are fine with dolphin you should probably just use dolphin and (opera or firefox or chromium) and forget about konqueror | 09:11 |
| Sicelo | oh. what's the problem with konqueror in connection with browsing? | 09:12 |
| Sicelo | i do have FF though .. but just curious | 09:14 |
| MaNI | not so much a problem with the software as a case of, nobody tests their sites for it, so you are more likely to run into broken web pages | 09:14 |
| inetpro | Sicelo: that ^^ | 09:14 |
| Sicelo | ah | 09:15 |
| inetpro | konqueror uses KHTML as its layout engine... but I am not sure whether this is still 100% true | 09:22 |
| inetpro | WebKit's HTML and JavaScript code was originally a fork of the KHTML and KJS libraries from KDE | 09:22 |
| MaNI | you can now pick I think between KHTML and webkit backend | 09:23 |
| inetpro | webkit has now been further developed by individuals from KDE, Apple, Google, Nokia, Bitstream, BlackBerry, Igalia, and others. OS X, Windows, Linux, and some other Unix-like operating systems are supported by the project | 09:23 |
| MaNI | chromium, opera etc. now use blink, blink is a fork of webkit, which was a fork of khtml | 09:23 |
| MaNI | only safari (I think) still uses webkit | 09:23 |
| inetpro | fact is, konqueror was a good base for what we see on today's web browsers | 09:24 |
| MaNI | I kind of feel that it has outlives it's purpose I must admit | 09:24 |
| inetpro | for sure | 09:25 |
| MaNI | *outlived | 09:25 |
| inetpro | sadly WebKit is now a trademark of Apple, registered with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office | 09:26 |
| magespawn | they said it would remain open though | 09:27 |
| Sicelo | i thought it was always their trademark | 09:28 |
| inetpro | Sicelo: I prefer free/libre open source software | 09:35 |
| Sicelo | of course! :) | 09:37 |
| inetpro | wb Kilos | 10:42 |
| Kilos | ty inetpro | 10:42 |
| Sicelo | hi Kilos | 10:52 |
| Kilos | hi Sicelo | 10:58 |
| SEptic | kubuntu installed, xubuntu installed | 11:05 |
| Kilos | lol | 11:05 |
| SEptic | whats with Lubuntu? whats that favour all about? | 11:05 |
| Kilos | light ubuntu | 11:05 |
| SEptic | *flavour | 11:05 |
| Kilos | baqsic | 11:05 |
| Kilos | basic | 11:05 |
| SEptic | aah i see | 11:06 |
| Kilos | for slow machines | 11:09 |
| magespawn | uses the LXDE fro the desktop | 11:27 |
| theblazehen | inetpro: Nah, was testing something before automating it with config management. Needed physical hardware | 11:52 |
| theblazehen | And rsnapshot doesn't do memory | 11:53 |
| theblazehen | Although 21 GB used is quite a bit to snapshot.. | 11:53 |
| theblazehen | 2 TB ram on this server... | 11:53 |
| Kilos | wow | 11:53 |
| SEptic | 0_o | 11:55 |
| inetpro | theblazehen: ah, I understand :-) | 12:11 |
| inetpro | snapshot and roll back on physical hardware would be cool | 12:15 |
| inetpro | but you would need lots and lots of disk space for that | 12:15 |
| inetpro | theblazehen: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/226144/creating-a-snapshot-of-a-linux-system | 12:22 |
| magespawn | inetpro have you used Cisco routers? | 14:27 |
| inetpro | magespawn: what's wrong? | 14:27 |
| magespawn | nothing i just have a cisco 800 adsl router an was looking for some pointers of where to start | 14:28 |
| Sicelo | with? | 14:28 |
| inetpro | for the real stuff you can ask Symmetria anything about networking | 14:28 |
| magespawn | how to configure and set it up, test it as well since i do not know if it works 100% | 14:29 |
| magespawn | can only access via the console at the moment | 14:29 |
| inetpro | I'm sure many others here also know much more than I know | 14:29 |
| Sicelo | that's for home use? O.o | 14:35 |
| magespawn | not for any use, i picked up when it was replaced, so i thought it might be an idea to learn | 14:42 |
| magespawn | i think it is the bottom of the enterprise routers | 14:43 |
| Sicelo | there's lots of info online .. even a full config 'script' | 14:44 |
| Sicelo | of course, i'm no cisco guy myself ... | 14:45 |
| theblazehen | ty inetpro. I know about fs level, can also use lvm, but that doesn't really preserve state of ram etc. | 14:59 |
| Kilos | um | 14:59 |
| Kilos | where is symmetria | 14:59 |
| Kilos | Maaz seen symmetria | 14:59 |
| Maaz | Kilos: symmetria was last seen 17 hours, 26 minutes and 53 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-07-17 14:32:57 PDT], and has been online on freenode since 2016-07-17 13:50:58 PDT | 14:59 |
| Kilos | hmm... | 15:15 |
| Kilos | Sicelo so can you run kde | 15:15 |
| Sicelo | yes .. it works fine too :) | 15:16 |
| Kilos | yay | 15:16 |
| Sicelo | i'm going to keep it for the lappie .. | 15:16 |
| Kilos | get used to it and you will not enjoy others anymore | 15:16 |
| Sicelo | had a bit of a fight to find two of my most used WM features: 1. focus-follows-mouse, and 2. multiple workspaces | 15:16 |
| Sicelo | but i eventually got both .. so i'm fine | 15:17 |
| Kilos | kde has lots of configuring | 15:17 |
| Kilos | you can modify just about everything | 15:17 |
| pavlushka | Is there any way to make the wifi device work, http://paste.ubuntu.com/19904862/ ? | 15:18 |
| Sicelo | for my use case, i can conclude that Gnome=KDE .. but yes, i know very well that this is a holy war, like vi vs. emacs :p | 15:18 |
| Sicelo | pavlushka: Broadcom, eish | 15:18 |
| pavlushka | yep, eish. | 15:19 |
| Sicelo | tried the b43 module? | 15:19 |
| Kilos | pavlushka what system are you using there | 15:23 |
| Sicelo | looks like there aren't really any known good working linux drivers for that (at least in debian, even sid) | 15:24 |
| pavlushka | Kilos: Sicelo every thing is in the pastebin, I need to run , sorry, be back withing 2 hours, :) | 15:24 |
| Kilos | ok | 15:24 |
| Sicelo | seems you'll have to go with USB | 15:24 |
| Kilos | to much stuff in the bin, reading so much hurts my head | 15:25 |
| Kilos | he can ask HP they normally linux friendly | 15:25 |
| pavlushka | and Sicelo , will check on b43. | 15:25 |
| Sicelo | Kilos: [14e4:4365] is 'BCM43142 802.11b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Corporation' that should suffice :) | 15:26 |
| Sicelo | pavlushka: won't work :( .. works for some revisions of that family .. not yours | 15:26 |
| Kilos | sjoe murphy visits there as well | 15:26 |
| Sicelo | Broadcom, grrr one of those terrible companies we have to deal with unfortunately | 15:27 |
| Sicelo | that 4365 seems only supported by that wl module which you already have loaded anyway .. so | 15:28 |
| Sicelo | which should work :-/ | 15:31 |
| Sicelo | got wifi disabled via bios/fn key combo perhaps? | 15:32 |
| Kilos | hopefully he sees all this when he returns | 15:36 |
| Kilos | ty for helping Sicelo | 15:36 |
| Kilos | pavlushka ^^ | 15:36 |
| Sicelo | does kde have a gnucash replacement? | 15:36 |
| Sicelo | i haven't used gnucash itself in a long time .. but something made me remember it today | 15:36 |
| Kilos | lol | 15:40 |
| Kilos | gogle alternative for kde | 15:40 |
| Kilos | or wait for one of the experts to tell you | 15:41 |
| Sicelo | i'm suddenly thinking gnucash should be relatively DE independent | 15:41 |
| Kilos | i dont fiddle with fancy stuff | 15:41 |
| Kilos | kde can run gnome apps | 15:41 |
| Sicelo | Kilos: i read a bit of your story yesterday. impressed :) | 15:42 |
| Kilos | what story | 15:42 |
| Kilos | haha | 15:42 |
| Sicelo | yes, *that* one :p | 15:43 |
| Sicelo | how you got into linux, etc. | 15:43 |
| Kilos | my blog? | 15:43 |
| Sicelo | i got it from one of the ubuntu sites .. | 15:44 |
| Kilos | oh my | 15:44 |
| Sicelo | you're famous ;) | 15:45 |
| Kilos | no man im a greeter bot | 15:45 |
| Kilos | famous peeps are targets | 15:45 |
| Kilos | i had forgotten about my blog | 15:46 |
| Kilos | half isnt even there anymore | 15:46 |
| Kilos | Sicelo gnucash is in the repos | 15:50 |
| Kilos | you can install it | 15:50 |
| paddatrapper | Sicelo: what's gnucash used for? | 15:52 |
| * paddatrapper is too lazy for searching at the moment | 15:52 | |
| Kilos | Gnucash provides accounting functions suitable for use by small businesses and | 15:53 |
| Kilos | individuals. It can track finances in multiple accounts, keeping running and | 15:53 |
| Kilos | reconciled balances. There is support for customer, vendor and employee | 15:53 |
| Kilos | processing. | 15:53 |
| Sicelo | yes :) | 15:53 |
| paddatrapper | Ah thanks Kilos | 15:53 |
| Kilos | thats from the write up in synaptic | 15:54 |
| paddatrapper | I was thinking bitcoin or something password related | 15:54 |
| Kilos | lol | 15:54 |
| Sicelo | i've used it once in the past ... i suppose it should run just fine under kde .. not with the laptop right now | 15:54 |
| Sicelo | lol paddatrapper :p | 15:54 |
| paddatrapper | Is it GTK based then? | 15:55 |
| * Sicelo has to check | 15:55 | |
| Kilos | It has an X based graphical user interface, double entry, a | 15:55 |
| Kilos | hierarchy of accounts, expense accounts (categories), and can import Quicken | 15:55 |
| Kilos | QIF files and OFX files. | 15:55 |
| Kilos | thats all i have on it | 15:56 |
| Sicelo | yup .. gtk | 15:56 |
| paddatrapper | Pretty cool. Though I currently have no need for accounting software :) | 15:56 |
| Kilos | haha one needs money before you worry about such things | 15:57 |
| Kilos | paddatrapper please dont forget ibid | 15:57 |
| Kilos | you forgot to discuss it with the weed? | 15:57 |
| MaNI | theres kmymoney | 15:57 |
| paddatrapper | Sicelo: it'll run fine then. Just look a little odd. There should be a GTK engine plugin to support your KDE theme out there somewhere | 15:57 |
| paddatrapper | Kilos: I didn't end up seeing him. I'll poke him now now | 15:58 |
| MaNI | https://kmymoney.org/screenshots.php - should you want something more KDE native | 16:00 |
| Kilos | tell him im nagging | 16:00 |
| MaNI | I vaguely remember preferring it to GNUCash - but it depends on your exact needs I guess | 16:01 |
| Kilos | hi MaNI you use kde? | 16:01 |
| MaNI | devout KDE user yes | 16:01 |
| Kilos | yay | 16:01 |
| Kilos | we are growing | 16:02 |
| Kilos | used to just be fly and pro | 16:02 |
| paddatrapper | We are everywhere. Lol | 16:02 |
| MaNI | I've always been a KDE user though, since before ubuntu even existed, so thats not something new :p | 16:02 |
| Kilos | haha | 16:02 |
| Kilos | most of the clever peeps use it and i follow | 16:03 |
| MaNI | KDE is far from perfect but it annoys me a lot less than gnome, hehe, but it's really something thats different for each person I guess | 16:08 |
| Kilos | linux is growing too fast | 16:09 |
| magespawn | late all home time | 16:10 |
| Kilos | before one release is completely stable they are working on the next one | 16:10 |
| Kilos | go safe magespawn | 16:10 |
| Kilos | Maaz seen septic | 16:11 |
| Maaz | Kilos: septic was last seen 4 hours, 15 minutes and 59 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-07-18 04:55:07 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2016-07-18 07:52:45 PDT | 16:11 |
| Kilos | looks like kde floored him | 16:11 |
| Kilos | oh ja inetpro other one was plustwo | 16:19 |
| theblazehen | Hmm. Been thinking about laptop security. How about having a login manager that has a guest account, and when that logs in it copies a minimal userspace (with maybe just a web browser and file manager) into a ramdisk, then starts to wipe the hard drive? Do an ATA Secure Erase, the blkdiscard and then overwrite with /dev/zero? | 16:25 |
| Kilos | Sicelo you still here | 16:29 |
| Kilos | i go eat. wbb | 16:30 |
| Kilos | Maaz watch them | 16:30 |
| Maaz | oh Kilos I will watch them no problem, but you better be back soon! | 16:30 |
| Sicelo | Kilos: yes | 16:31 |
| pavlushka | Sicelo: so what can be done? | 16:32 |
| pavlushka | Sicelo: how can that be enabled on the firmware? I have not much idea on that. | 16:36 |
| Kilos | Sicelo here is my other one | 16:54 |
| Kilos | http://kilosubuntu.blogspot.co.za | 16:54 |
| Kilos | start at the bottom | 16:54 |
| Sicelo | pavlushka: start with the easy stuff - confirm it's enabled in BIOS, check if there's a switch to disable WiFi, or a key combination, usually FN+ one of the F keys | 18:08 |
| Sicelo | failing that .. have a look at 'man rfkill' .. might help | 18:09 |
| Sicelo | beyond that .. i have no idea | 18:09 |
| nsnzero | what wifi chipset ? | 18:10 |
| pavlushka | Sicelo: I have checked that and have checked this too, http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43/, which says there's no linux driver for it. | 18:10 |
| Sicelo | yes, the b43 won't work for your card .. but wl should .. at least it claims support for it | 18:11 |
| Sicelo | sucks .. but you may be forced to go USB after all | 18:12 |
| Sicelo | or someone else will suggest something that works :) | 18:12 |
| Sicelo | nsnzero: broadcom BCM43142 802.11b/g/n .. pci id 14e4:4365 | 18:15 |
| nsnzero | broadcom has proprietary drivers - if i am not mistaken | 18:16 |
| Sicelo | yes, the wl :( | 18:16 |
| nsnzero | is it an internal | 18:17 |
| nsnzero | is it an internal card ? laptop ? | 18:18 |
| paddatrapper | rfkill unblock all maybe? | 18:18 |
| Sicelo | pavlushka: ^^ | 18:19 |
| Sicelo | i guess internal though .. he said it's a Dell iirc, laptop | 18:19 |
| paddatrapper | pavlushka: if I recall correctly that's the same chip as me. Under Ubuntu/Kubuntu it had no issue installing the proprietary drivers required on install. Debian and arch required finding them in the various repos | 18:20 |
| Sicelo | he gave us this paste - http://paste.ubuntu.com/19904862/ | 18:21 |
| Sicelo | i see he never said dell ... lol | 18:21 |
| nsnzero | yip got to just run the driver manager to install proprietary driver - type "driver" in the unbuntu menu to locate it | 18:21 |
| superfly | If I remember correctly, paddatrapper had to install the broadcom-dkms package | 18:21 |
| paddatrapper | I saw. I'm on mobile at the moment which is making going through that difficult | 18:21 |
| paddatrapper | superfly: yup. That's the one. For some reason the dkms package worked, but the normal one did not | 18:22 |
| Sicelo | this is where i found the reference to wl, https://wiki.debian.org/wl .. and that's the proprietary driver afaict .. | 18:23 |
| Sicelo | lol .. Ubuntu | 18:24 |
| Sicelo | Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM43142 802.11b/g/n [14e4:4365] (rev 01) Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company BCM43142 802.11b/g/n [103c:2230] Kernel modules: bcma, wl | 18:24 |
| Sicelo | thats's from his paste .. so it actually seems he doesn't have the module, even though it's listed there :) | 18:25 |
| Sicelo | pavlushka: < nsnzero> yip got to just run the driver manager to install proprietary driver - type "driver" in the unbuntu menu to locate it | 18:25 |
| nsnzero | while we on the subject of drivers - i have a atheros wifi bluetooth combo PCI card in this laptop - the bluetooth works now and then - any ideas | 18:26 |
| Sicelo | heh, sounds hectic | 18:26 |
| pavlushka | Sicelo: nsnzero superfly paddatrapper , is there a terminal way? | 18:26 |
| Sicelo | apt-cache search? | 18:27 |
| pavlushka | I prefer, and its not my laptop, so that would be easier. | 18:27 |
| nsnzero | if it shows no adapter - i just reboot and it works perfect | 18:28 |
| Sicelo | e.g. apt-cache search broadcom dkms | 18:28 |
| pavlushka | Sicelo: what keyword I will search, "apt search" is easier. | 18:28 |
| nsnzero | yes there is a method from cli | 18:28 |
| Sicelo | oh wow .. debian doesn't seem to do apt search :) | 18:29 |
| Sicelo | or i'm missing a package :-/ | 18:29 |
| Sicelo | or you meant aptitude? | 18:30 |
| Sicelo | ~$ apt-cache search broadcom dkms | 18:30 |
| Sicelo | broadcom-sta-dkms - dkms source for the Broadcom STA Wireless driver | 18:30 |
| Sicelo | ^^ at least that's its packaging in debian .. dunno about ubuntu .. try a similar search | 18:31 |
| nsnzero | firmware-b43-installer is what i found | 18:31 |
| nsnzero | apt search broadcom ^^ | 18:31 |
| Sicelo | nsnzero: please run `which apt` .. i'm curious about this search you guys do .. doesn't work on my system, heh | 18:32 |
| nsnzero | Sicelo: /usr/bin/apt | 18:33 |
| Sicelo | maybe `dpkg -S $(which apt)` as well | 18:33 |
| nsnzero | pavlushka: run ' sudo ubuntu-drivers list ' and paste the output | 18:34 |
| nsnzero | Sicelo: apt: /usr/bin/apt | 18:35 |
| Sicelo | alright. thanks | 18:36 |
| nsnzero | maybe the repository will help : | 18:36 |
| nsnzero | irmware-b43-installer/xenial,xenial 1:019-2 all | 18:37 |
| nsnzero | firmware installer for the b43 driver | 18:37 |
| Sicelo | ah .. it wasn't in wheezy .. but is there in jessie (that apt search) | 18:37 |
| Kilos | wb SEptic | 18:37 |
| SEptic | howdy | 18:37 |
| pavlushka | Its not my machine, but on my machine sudo ubuntu-drivers list returned just "intel-microcode" | 18:38 |
| nsnzero | pavlushka: sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall | 18:38 |
| nsnzero | pavlushka: which version of ubuntu you troubleshooting ? | 18:40 |
| pavlushka | nsnzero: Its doing something, two packages is installing, though I have no complain for my pc but I will tell that person with the wifi problem, :) | 18:40 |
| pavlushka | nsnzero: Ubuntu 16.04, 64 bit. | 18:41 |
| Sicelo | looks like ubuntu provides proprietary stuff in a "restricted" repository? maybe that's repo isn't active on said machine and therefore the driver cannot be found? clearly the system 'knows' what driver it should load, but said driver isn't there | 18:42 |
| nsnzero | once i had a trouble with the wifi on mine - kubuntu 16.04 64 bit - it was the network manager - i assume the system is updated ? | 18:43 |
| SEptic | i get that intel-microcode popup in my wife's dell inspiron laptop | 18:43 |
| paddatrapper | Could be non-free repo? At least that is how Debian does it | 18:44 |
| nsnzero | yip intel micro code is in the non free | 18:44 |
| Sicelo | yeah .. debian calls them non-free .. seems ubuntu calls them restricted | 18:46 |
| tumbleweed | ubuntu has two classes of non-free | 18:47 |
| Sicelo | anyway .. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#Broadcom_STA_Wireless_driver_.28Proprietary.29 .. you need those STA drivers for that laptop .. how you get them isn't too clear to me :) | 18:47 |
| tumbleweed | restricted is mostly hardware-support, and it's supported as much as main is | 18:48 |
| Sicelo | either broadcom-sta or bcmwl-kernel-source | 18:48 |
| tumbleweed | multiverse is the rest of non-free, with universe level support | 18:48 |
| Sicelo | hi tumbleweed | 18:48 |
| tumbleweed | hi :) | 18:49 |
| Sicelo | seems there's instructions for installing STA here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#Installing_STA_drivers .. if that doesn't help, i guess the lappie is going to the bin :-$ | 18:50 |
| Kilos | ohi tumbleweed wb | 18:51 |
| SEptic | ... is possible to dualboot kubuntu & mint? must be | 18:55 |
| nsnzero | sudo apt install broadcom-sta-dkms | 18:55 |
| nsnzero | SEptic: yes they can dual boot | 18:57 |
| paddatrapper | tumbleweed: kil | 18:57 |
| pavlushka | Sicelo: "sudo apt install dkms broadcom-sta-dkms" | 18:57 |
| Sicelo | that works for you pavlushka? :) | 18:57 |
| paddatrapper | tumbleweed: Kilos has been bugging me. I put a PR in for ibid adding duckduckgo search support | 18:57 |
| nsnzero | take care guys i am off | 19:00 |
| paddatrapper | Cheers nsnzero | 19:00 |
| pavlushka | Sicelo: I figured that but the problem is on someone else's PC, So lets see the result | 19:01 |
| Sicelo | so you'll work on it tomorrow? | 19:02 |
| pavlushka | I am online with him now, will take some time to see the result | 19:02 |
| Sicelo | ah :) | 19:03 |
| Sicelo | he's going wired internet on the laptop at least? | 19:03 |
| paddatrapper | I've found tethered phone to be pretty good toi | 19:03 |
| paddatrapper | s/toi/too | 19:04 |
| Sicelo | if you have good mobile deal though, otherwise it can be very painful | 19:05 |
| paddatrapper | Sicelo: or use wifi like that. That's how I did Debconf for a couple days | 19:06 |
| Sicelo | just found a 'bug' in kde .. laptop suspended while charging, so charging icon was showing ... re-using it long after charger disconnected, and the charging icon still showing, but clicking the details correctly shows discharging | 19:07 |
| paddatrapper | Lol. I must say I have never run into that particular bug before | 19:09 |
| Sicelo | i guess plugging in charger for a moment will 'fix' it | 19:10 |
| paddatrapper | Or restart x if you really want to | 19:11 |
| Sicelo | i notice kde tries to conserve screen real estate .. where gnome prefers more whitespace ... can't say which i prefer .. sometimes the kde way looks a bit cluttered :-/ | 19:17 |
| Sicelo | but it does result in less scrolling :) | 19:17 |
| paddatrapper | I like the flat look of KDE plasma. And efficient use of space :) | 19:18 |
| Sicelo | i was just now in Akregator .. it's a little too cluttered imo than liferea (its counterpart under gnome) .. but i do appreciate it on the small laptop screen | 19:19 |
| paddatrapper | Haven't actually used Akregator much. Don't really follow rss feeds | 19:21 |
| Sicelo | paddatrapper: like flat? use Microsoft's Metro :p | 19:21 |
| Sicelo | Windows 10 | 19:22 |
| paddatrapper | Sicelo: lol. I like a working machine and besides have you tried installing python + qt on Windows? | 19:22 |
| Sicelo | no | 19:22 |
| * paddatrapper twitches nervously | 19:23 | |
| Sicelo | :) | 19:23 |
| paddatrapper | Be glad. It's painful :) | 19:23 |
| Kilos | you chased the weed paddatrapper | 19:23 |
| Kilos | naughty | 19:23 |
| paddatrapper | Kilos: Haha. Yup | 19:23 |
| Sicelo | Win 10 messed up my work computer .. now USB doesn't work properly .. i plug in my N900 phone, device manager 'sees' it, but it never appears on the system until a reboot :-/ | 19:23 |
| Kilos | tell him no rest for the wicked | 19:24 |
| paddatrapper | Definitely not! | 19:24 |
| tumbleweed | paddatrapper: aha. I don't read the inbox that my github mail goes to, very often | 19:30 |
| paddatrapper | tumbleweed: lol. No worries. It also fixes SQLAlchemy compatibility on newer versions | 19:31 |
| Kilos | naughty | 19:31 |
| Kilos | helloooo tumbleweed | 19:32 |
| Kilos | hee hee | 19:32 |
| tumbleweed | paddatrapper: if it really does that I'll be impressed | 19:33 |
| tumbleweed | sqlalchemy compatibility is hard | 19:33 |
| tumbleweed | we do some evil things with it | 19:33 |
| paddatrapper | Well it now runs fine on 14.04. I actually am curious to see if it's fine with Debian unstable | 19:34 |
| SEptic | *sigh* ... somehow kubuntu went from a VM to being installed on my HP laptop | 19:45 |
| SEptic | :P | 19:45 |
| Kilos | hahahaha | 19:45 |
| Kilos | how did you manage that | 19:45 |
| SEptic | it was on purpose | 19:46 |
| SEptic | i like it | 19:46 |
| Kilos | well done | 19:46 |
| Sicelo | excellent SEptic. what did you have before? | 19:47 |
| SEptic | mint 17.3 | 19:47 |
| SEptic | i miss the windows key + e for file explorer and windows key + d for desktop ... but tis but a flesh wound | 19:48 |
| Sicelo | should be able to bind that i guess | 19:49 |
| SEptic | much cleaner than mint, i laak alot | 19:49 |
| Kilos | you can set your own keys in kde | 19:50 |
| Kilos | look in settings | 19:50 |
| SEptic | ooooh sexy | 19:50 |
| Kilos | you can configure lots on kde | 19:50 |
| SEptic | whats your guys rated email client? | 19:50 |
| SEptic | evo, thunder, kmail? | 19:50 |
| Sicelo | mutt :) | 19:50 |
| Kilos | you can set compose keys and lots of other things i dont even understand | 19:51 |
| Kilos | thunderbird works ok | 19:51 |
| Sicelo | i guess on K.. you should go with Kmail? | 19:51 |
| Kilos | kmail sucks | 19:51 |
| Sicelo | oh, lol .. interesting | 19:51 |
| Sicelo | haven't touched it yet | 19:51 |
| Sicelo | what sucks for example? | 19:51 |
| SEptic | my company recently got nailed with ransomware ... so they moved the entire domain over to microshaft cloud | 19:52 |
| SEptic | in the process ... they lost 9 years of my emails | 19:52 |
| Kilos | i couldnt even get kmail to work at all | 19:52 |
| Kilos | ask inetpro what to use | 19:52 |
| Sicelo | SEptic: which ransomware? | 19:52 |
| SEptic | so i dumped windows and went linux | 19:52 |
| MaNI | kmail is a bit of a sad story | 19:52 |
| MaNI | it was for a long time the absolute best email client in existence, but for some reason in the kde4 transition it became super unreliable and bad | 19:53 |
| SEptic | it was a russian one, it got in on a port forward for some accounting software out of capetown | 19:53 |
| Sicelo | meh .. that's why i was saying yesterday that the DEs are just launchers for me .. i always thought kmail was THE mail client :-/ | 19:53 |
| Sicelo | i'm happy with my mutt then | 19:53 |
| SEptic | lol | 19:53 |
| MaNI | not sure if they've finally fixed it - I'm too scared to look again, but it was a huge issue | 19:54 |
| Sicelo | sucks SEptic | 19:54 |
| MaNI | randomly losing emails and stuff | 19:54 |
| MaNI | went from best client to dodgy overnight | 19:54 |
| SEptic | eish | 19:54 |
| MaNI | best to just stick with thunderbird or evolution or something else I guess | 19:54 |
| Kilos | tbird works well for me | 19:54 |
| SEptic | i was using evolution and thunderbird, both did well | 19:54 |
| MaNI | unfortunately I draw the line at email loss | 19:54 |
| Kilos | even calenders and stuff | 19:54 |
| Sicelo | apparently some aren't happy with evolution too .. complaining about crashes, etc. | 19:55 |
| MaNI | I'm not overly happy with evolution, but I use it because it hasn't lost me any emails | 19:55 |
| Sicelo | i didn't use it too much myself tbh .. but once or twice it froze | 19:55 |
| MaNI | as much as I want to find a nicer client it's just too much hassle, heh | 19:55 |
| Kilos | inetpro tell him man | 19:55 |
| SEptic | aah cool | 19:55 |
| MaNI | would love to hear that kmail has been resotred to its former glory, as it was almost perfect before kde4 | 19:56 |
| Kilos | maybe pro is sleeping | 19:56 |
| Kilos | yum late night coffee and buttermilk rusks | 19:57 |
| Sicelo | MaNI: talking about that .. it does sound like kde4 was a regression? during the day i wanted to import a client certificate on the laptop ... there doesn't seem to be a way in kde4, and bug reports always refer to 3.5 or some such version | 19:57 |
| SEptic | yum | 19:57 |
| MaNI | KDE4 was a huge step sideways - it made a lot of important changes, but at the same time it was super unstable and a lot of functionality that was in KDE3 vanished | 19:58 |
| MaNI | also it was released way too soon, so end users were exposed to a lot of unfinished software they never should have seen | 19:58 |
| MaNI | but since then a lot of progress has been made, the current KDE4 is IMO now in a position where it is better than what KDE3 offered, the first year or two were really bumpy though, and kmail was one of the worse parts | 19:59 |
| Sicelo | so while Gnome was fskcing up with Gnome3, KDE did the same with 4, lol | 19:59 |
| MaNI | something like that | 19:59 |
| MaNI | one of the mistakes was that they got way too excited by the whole 'semantic desktop' thing | 20:00 |
| Sicelo | what is 'semantic desktop'? | 20:01 |
| MaNI | basically the idea of attaching 'metadata' to all files/emails/other things so that you can do things like easily search for "all documents that I received from Lucy" | 20:03 |
| MaNI | or "All files I downloaded from the pirate bay" or things like that | 20:03 |
| SEptic | lol | 20:03 |
| MaNI | thats the utopian vision of it at least - in reality it seems to boil down to constantly indexing everything on your harddrive and making your computer so slow it is unusable, and losing all your emails | 20:04 |
| Sicelo | ah | 20:04 |
| inetpro | I've been using thunderbird for many years and am happy to continue using it until someone can find me a better replacement | 20:04 |
| Sicelo | what daemon does KDE use for that? Gnome uses Tracker ....... which has had lots of complaints agains | 20:05 |
| MaNI | it was akonadi/nepomuk | 20:05 |
| MaNI | now it's balloo? or something - I lose track | 20:05 |
| Sicelo | ah .. i renember the name akonadi | 20:05 |
| inetpro | ​Toyota throws weight behind Linux patent protection group http://www.zdnet.com/article/toyota-throws-weight-behind-linux-patent-protection-group/ | 20:08 |
| SEptic | interesting | 20:14 |
| Kilos | inetpro gaan slaap | 20:33 |
| inetpro | ja baas | 20:33 |
| Kilos | haha | 20:35 |
| Kilos | im busy making a war blog | 20:35 |
| inetpro | ai tog! | 20:38 |
| Kilos | lol | 20:38 |
| Kilos | time to rock some boats | 20:39 |
| Kilos | peeps will learn, there is only one way | 20:39 |
| Kilos | oh two | 20:39 |
| Kilos | my way or the highway | 20:40 |
| Kilos | when i get into trouble ill call you | 20:40 |
| SEptic | lol | 20:40 |
| Kilos | then you cant tell them im brain damaged | 20:40 |
| Kilos | can tell them | 20:41 |
| Kilos | SEptic if you google things to do after installing kubuntu 16.04 there should be some good tips | 20:42 |
| SEptic | awesome | 20:42 |
| SEptic | super kiff so far | 20:43 |
| SEptic | playing with conky too | 20:43 |
| Kilos | there was a great guide for 20 things to do with 14.04 | 20:43 |
| SEptic | sooooo many tweaks and settings available | 20:45 |
| SEptic | soooooo awesome | 20:46 |
| Kilos | kde rocks | 20:46 |
| Kilos | see inetpro another one | 20:46 |
| Sicelo | what's super kiff? | 20:50 |
| SEptic | kubuntu | 20:50 |
| Sicelo | ah | 20:50 |
| Kilos | very wonderful | 20:50 |
| Sicelo | conky is DE agnostic though .. works just as well with any other DE | 20:51 |
| SEptic | yea i see i'll have to tweak it | 20:51 |
| SEptic | up for the challenge | 20:51 |
| SEptic | k im off to bed and more kubuntu | 20:52 |
| SEptic | moro boys | 20:52 |
| Kilos | night SEptic | 20:53 |
| Kilos | sleep tight | 20:53 |
| Kilos | oh my fly arrived | 20:54 |
| Kilos | all quietly | 20:54 |
| Kilos | all good superfly ? | 20:54 |
| superfly | I'm fine. | 20:54 |
| Sicelo | hi superfly | 20:58 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 20:58 |
| Kilos | see you tomorrow | 20:58 |
| superfly | hi Sicelo | 21:07 |
| superfly | Sicelo: the "c" in your name, you say that like the Xhosa and Zulu say their "c"s? | 21:08 |
| Sicelo | exactly :) | 21:12 |
| Sicelo | soft click | 21:12 |
| Sicelo | not the harder ones of Q and X | 21:12 |
| Sicelo | my language (siswati) only has the soft click .. when we say Zulu or Xhosa words, we simply soft-click everything | 21:13 |
| pavlushka | thanks and Good Night ZA :) | 21:22 |
| Sicelo | nighty | 21:23 |
| Sicelo | how did it go with your friend? | 21:23 |
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