[00:12] <YankDownUnder> adriano_: What's up?
[00:12] <adriano_> I'm getting a poor performance in my laptop
[00:12] <adriano_> Using Ubuntu-MATE
[00:12] <adriano_> Or any other linux distribution
[00:13] <adriano_> My CPU is AMD E-350
[00:13] <YankDownUnder> adriano_: So *any* linux distro you try to run on this is "lagging", eh?
[00:13] <adriano_> Yup
[00:13] <adriano_> And Web Browser lag so much too
[00:14] <YankDownUnder> adriano_: Here's something to test out - since you're testing things out - download a 32-bit version (of whatever) and try that...see what you get, hmm?
[00:14] <adriano_> My Laptop have 3gb RAM
[00:14] <adriano_> It'll work?
[00:16] <adriano_> I have a Windows 7 installation on another partition and runs smoothly
[00:16] <adriano_> Anyway i'll try a 32bit version.
[00:16] <adriano_> The Ubuntu-MATE it self.
[00:16] <YankDownUnder> adriano_: Look, that particular processor appears to have been specifically created for laptops with an MS OS on 'em...so, since most linux distros are fully 64-bit, they're going to push that puppy to the max...HOWEVER, if you want to test something out, try a current 32-bit version - OR - the other option is to get something "older" - like Ubuntu 14.04...and see how that does, hmm?
[00:17] <adriano_> I see
[00:17] <adriano_> But i believe you when said about MS OS improved CPUs
[00:17] <adriano_> It makes me sad :-/
[00:18] <adriano_> I had an A4 Desktop
[00:18] <YankDownUnder> adriano_: But hey, get you the Ubuntu-Mate 16.04, pop it on a USB, and fire it up - test it...if it's fast? Well, then you have the option to install it, eh...
[00:18] <adriano_> Man
[00:18] <adriano_> Ok
[00:18] <adriano_> I'm downloading right now
[00:18] <YankDownUnder> It's not about "MS OS Improved" CPU's - it's all "smoke and mirrors" - MS uses the CPU differently than does any other OS...so they take big shortcuts...(all based on lies to the public)
[00:19] <adriano_> hummmm... Tell me more about this conspiracy :-P
[00:23] <YankDownUnder> adriano_: MS started to play the "Devil's game" back in 1991 - before Win95 came out - so, they've made "pushes" on AMD and Intel - along with all the rest of the hardware developers. Then into software developement. SO, this answers qeustions that are easily answered - WHY are all the games programmed to run on Windows? Why are some CPU's "fast" under Windows but slow on anything else? Why isn't MS Office compiled for linux
[00:23] <YankDownUnder> if it's compiled for OSX? Why does MS have such a huge part of the market share? (Because nearly every new PC has Windows on it - get it?) Does any of that make sense, hmm?
[00:24] <adriano_> I see
[00:24] <adriano_> I think make sense
[00:26] <adriano_> I've found a xubuntu 16.04 i386 on my folders. I'm writing on an USB flash drive.
[00:26] <YankDownUnder> adriano_: Good on ya, mate. Boot it up, play with it - and then you can decide what to do. You've got options.
[00:28] <adriano_> Well, in the worst case, i'll continue to use the Ubuntu-MATE i've already installed.
[00:29] <YankDownUnder> adriano_: Test it. If anything else, there are some tweaks to possibly make your current installation work a bit, er, well, faster than slow, eh?
[00:39] <adriano_> Going to reboot my laptop
[00:39] <adriano_> See ya
[00:57] <cheers460> Cheers everyone. Since amd dropped fglrx for the 16.04 distros, anyone know the lead time of amdgpu? The open source driver is okay but I can't get boinc crunching working with it. Should I just drop back down to 14.04?
[00:58] <cheers460> I talked to amd guy back in march and he says wait a couple months but as far as I can tell its not out yet?
[01:03] <YankDownUnder> adriano_: So?
[01:03] <adriano_> YankDownUnder: I had little increase in performance
[01:03] <adriano_> Thanks
[01:03] <adriano_> It's not drastic, but better than i'm having with amd64
[01:04] <adriano_> going to switch to Ubuntu-MATE i386
[01:04] <YankDownUnder> adriano_: So you've got that as an option...I also have to ask - when you installed Mate in the first place, did you install the suggested third party drivers for your system as well?
[01:05] <adriano_> Yes
[01:05] <YankDownUnder> adriano_: Had to ask...
[01:05] <adriano_> For the CPU, just a package called microcode
[01:05] <YankDownUnder> adriano_: Yes...that's kinda important...
[01:07] <YankDownUnder> adriano_: As well, you might want to look into the "Mate Tweak Tool" - which will assist in cutting down some things...along with that, you might want to disable some of the effects - anything to do with transparency or animation - etc etc etc..."clean up" things...that reduces the load on the CPU, ya know.
[01:07] <adriano_> What does this do?
[01:08] <adriano_> The microcode
[01:08] <YankDownUnder> adriano_: All of the "desktop effects" cause the CPU to work harder...
[01:08] <YankDownUnder> AH...the microcode is for directly "talking to the CPU" as it were.
[01:10] <adriano_> In a ~90kb package
[01:10] <adriano_> ?
[01:10] <YankDownUnder> adriano_: Yes...code is quite small...smaller than you might realise in some instances, my friend.
[01:12] <adriano_> Anyway, thanks for the help YankDownUnder
[01:13] <YankDownUnder> adriano_: De nada, by all means, please have a great day.
[01:13] <adriano_> Thanks
[01:13] <adriano_> Hey
[01:13] <adriano_> You talk portuguese?
[01:14] <YankDownUnder> adriano_: Ingles...de Los Estados Unidos...but I live in Australia now... :)
[01:14] <adriano_> Oh, i see
[01:14] <adriano_> By the way, i live in Brazil. Is night where i live :-)
[01:15] <adriano_> So, have a good day to YankDownUnder
[01:15] <adriano_> *too
[01:15] <YankDownUnder> adriano_: Brazil is beautiful - blessings, mate.
[01:15] <adriano_> Ok, see ya. (Australia is awesome too)
[04:20] <wzp> hi
[04:27] <wzp> hello
[04:56] <dave__> how to burn a slide show in ubuntu mate16-4 ? can anyone advise me
[05:07] <nomic> 'burn a slide show?
[05:14] <wzp> hi
[08:13] <aaran> morning, I have done something to my mate install, when I tap F12 it no longer drops down from the top of the screen its half way between monitors and half way down the screen
[08:15] <YankDownUnder> aaran: Have you logged out and back in again?
[08:16] <aaran> rebooted and its not changed
[08:17] <YankDownUnder> aaran: Right oh, fair enough. Strange that.
[08:20] <aaran> yeah, anything I can do to fix it? is there a config file that stores its location
[08:20] <YankDownUnder> aaran: Just a quick question - have you updated - like recently...?
[08:20] <aaran> I have the automatic updates runnin
[08:20] <aaran> g
[08:21] <YankDownUnder> aaran: Most of the actual configuration files will live in ~./config along with ~./local/share => that being said, something I've done in the past - especially when my desktop was acting freaky, was to log out of that account, go to the first TTY (ALT+F1), login and clean out all the crap in the ~./cache directly
[08:24] <aaran> Ok, whats the actually application that drops down when you press F12 is it just a standard terminal with some fancy settings ?
[08:24] <YankDownUnder> aaran: "tilda"
[08:25] <aaran> could I try removing and adding it again would that not work
[08:25] <aaran> if I told it to purge
[08:26] <YankDownUnder> aaran: If you look for the "tilda" configs/prefs and delete 'em, well, that SHOULD resolve the issue, ya reckon...just thinking from a logical perspective...
[08:27] <YankDownUnder> aaran: In ~./config/tilda => you'll find a config file => so, that being said, you could "killall -9 tilda", then delete that configuration file, then login again and see if it's all happy again, eh...?
[08:29] <aaran> Let me give that a try thanks
[08:32] <aaran> nope that did not work :(
[08:32] <aaran> also tried a purge after and that did not work either
[08:32] <Akuli> whats the problem?
[08:32] <YankDownUnder> aaran: Can't blame solar flares...hmm... :)
[08:32] <aaran> pressing f12 drops tilda half way down the screen and split between 2 monitors
[08:32] <aaran> let me take a screenshot
[08:34] <aaran> https://s31.postimg.org/fv66trwaj/Screenshot_at_2016_07_19_09_33_41.png
[08:34] <aaran> thats 2 monitors, xchat is pushed up to the left of the right monitor
[08:35] <Akuli> is that mate-terminal?
[08:35] <aaran> thats the terminal you get when you press f12
[08:35] <YankDownUnder> aaran: Just another quick question - have you tried to change resolution and then change it back - to see if that does anything?
[08:35] <YankDownUnder> Akuli: "Tilda"
[08:35] <aaran> with tilda open or closed at the time?
[08:35] <YankDownUnder> aaran: Open
[08:36] <Akuli> https://github.com/lanoxx/tilda/issues/131
[08:42] <aaran> thanks I will take a look after lunch
[08:42] <YankDownUnder> Enjoy your lunch. I'll eat my dinner. ;)
[08:42] <Akuli> just the first thing i found on google
[08:47] <YankDownUnder> In the next week, there should be heaps of strange issues as the last of the updates/upgrades for 16.04.1 are pushed out to the world...hmm...
[12:19] <TaZeR> ubuntu-mate the OS of champions
[12:19] <TaZeR> im an early adopter =)
[12:20] <TaZeR> i was soo excited when the first alpha of this ever came out
[12:36] <scottd_> Hi all
[13:22] <hoverboots> So... What about the snap packages?
[14:40] <wangjunying> gewei
[14:40] <wangjunying> dajiahao
[17:41] <rastacalavera> has anyone had luck install s4a (scratch 4 arduino) on mate 16.04? I am using a 64bit machine and need 32bit dependencies but when i try to get apt-get install ia32-libs as recommend, there isn't any package in the repo
[17:44] <SCHAAP137> rastacalavera: sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
[17:44] <SCHAAP137> sudo apt-get update
[17:44] <SCHAAP137> and retry
[17:46] <rastacalavera> still says no installiation canidate
[17:46] <rastacalavera> says that these are available instead "lib32ncurses5 lib32z1"
[17:46] <SCHAAP137> try: sudo apt-get install package-name:i386
[17:46] <SCHAAP137> just put :i386 behind the packages you need in 32-bit form
[17:47] <rastacalavera> well, they don't say what the specific package is called
[17:47] <SCHAAP137> http://askubuntu.com/questions/107230/what-happened-to-the-ia32-libs-package
[17:47] <rastacalavera> the instructions i am following here: http://s4a.cat/ don't say either
[17:48] <rastacalavera> when i run the app i get " could not find the module vm-sound-pulse aborted (core dumped)
[17:49] <rastacalavera> would that be pulse audio 32bit stuff maybe?
[17:49] <SCHAAP137> i get this when i open the package in GDebi package installer
[17:49] <SCHAAP137> http://storage4.static.itmages.com/i/16/0719/h_1468950611_3218190_a6aeaca9e1.png
[17:50] <SCHAAP137> allows me to install it, with 4 extra dependencies to install
[17:50] <SCHAAP137> i have amd64 with i386 added as well
[17:50] <SCHAAP137> try manually opening the .deb with GDebi, it should show you something similar
[17:51] <SCHAAP137> then reinstall
[17:52] <rastacalavera> ok thanks i'll try
[17:52] <SCHAAP137> http://storage2.static.itmages.com/i/16/0719/h_1468950772_6404385_9acddefe92.png
[17:52] <rastacalavera> i'll uninstall it first i guess
[17:52] <SCHAAP137> it just says i need these 4 extra i386 packages for it
[17:53] <SCHAAP137> it's likely these were not installed, forcibly skipped and being unavailable, earlier when you used dpkg manually to install the .devb
[17:53] <SCHAAP137> *.deb
[17:54] <SCHAAP137> i'm convinced it'll work
[17:54] <Artemis3> the problem i see is thats a very old binary compiled at a time multiarch wasn't very well defined (names lib32 in front of lib is a dead giveaway)
[17:55] <Artemis3> it might work doing fancy symlinks.. but a recompile would be the cleaner solution
[17:55] <Artemis3> or simply use an old debian install for it
[17:57] <SCHAAP137> the dependencies seem to check out though, over here
[17:57] <SCHAAP137> it could still work
[17:57] <Artemis3> hmm you might have luck using someone's ppa
[17:57] <Artemis3> then force install it
[17:58] <rastacalavera> I'm going to try gdebi now, just finished uninstalling it
[17:58] <Artemis3> if ldd binary doesn't complain...
[17:58] <rastacalavera> says it will install 24 additional packages
[17:58] <SCHAAP137> if these dependencies check out, there's a chance that kind of symlink stuff is already done, for background compat reasons
[17:59] <rastacalavera> don't see the details like in your image
[17:59] <SCHAAP137> yeah that's an extra clickable button
[18:00] <SCHAAP137> *backward
[18:01] <Artemis3> this ppa has it: ppa:llxdev/xenial
[18:02] <Artemis3> if i were you, i'd get rid of that deb and use that instead
[18:02] <Artemis3> or compile it yourself
[18:02] <rastacalavera> if this doens't work I'll go that route Artemis3
[18:02] <rastacalavera> thanks for the ppa link
[18:02] <rastacalavera> did you just google s4a ppa to find it?
[18:03] <Artemis3> search inside launchpad
[18:03] <rastacalavera> ah, i saw the package list but didn't know what category to search
[18:03] <rastacalavera> http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/
[18:03] <rastacalavera> you looked there?
[18:03] <Artemis3> just search the app and dig within the answers
[18:03] <Artemis3> nah at launchpad
[18:03] <rastacalavera> oh ok sry
[18:03] <Artemis3> if its inthe official repo even better
[18:04] <Artemis3> do search there first
[18:06] <rastacalavera> ok schaap137, the install still gave me the same error
[18:17] <rastacalavera> Thanks for the help guys, I'll dig in later and hopefully it'll work out
[19:16] <pinewuser> hi
[19:49] <mrx> sup
[19:51] <t3kg33k> greetings
[19:53] <t3kg33k> In 16.04, is there an easy way to remove unwanted software (Thunderbird, Pidgin, etc.) without having to use a terminal? This is question is geared mostly for the common user that do not know how to use the terminal.
[19:55] <Akuli> synaptic?
[19:55] <Akuli> better yet, use another tty instead of the terminal! :D
[19:59] <t3kg33k> Akuli: yeah, I gues Synaptic is an option. I just wish the new Software Boutique had the option to remove software that is preinstalled.
[20:00] <Akuli> it doesn't?
[20:00] <Akuli> i've heard its great, but i guess its not then
[20:01] <t3kg33k> Akuli: it seems the new Software Boutique is only used for installing additional software.
[20:01] <Akuli> then we need synaptics
[20:01] <Akuli> personally i never use it :)
[20:07] <t3kg33k> Looks like the installation of Ubuntu Software Center may be the better choice than Synaptics since it has better user interface for someone new to Linux and Ubuntu.
[20:08] <t3kg33k> I just converted my Dad, a senior citizen, from Wincrap 10 to Ubuntu Mate 16.04 and he was asking how to remove software. I, personally, just bring up a terminal and remove that way but I can tell him to do that. He would need a nice GUI to help him out.
[20:09] <t3kg33k> *can't tell him to do that
[20:09] <Akuli> i can make a really basic gui remover
[20:12] <t3kg33k> Next question: Does anyone know how to setup Ubuntu Mate as a lock down kiosk that launches a web browser to a specific web page at startup?
[20:12] <Akuli> easy
[20:12] <Akuli> set a start page in a web browser and add it in startup applications
[20:13] <SCHAAP137> he probably means something to prevent hassle with the system as well
[20:13] <SCHAAP137> *he/she
[20:13] <Akuli> maybe the guest account?
[20:13] <Akuli> if we could just create a similar setup there
[20:13] <t3kg33k> Akuli: Well, whatever account is used to login would need to be locked down to just read only of that specific web site. Again, kiosk mode.
[20:15] <t3kg33k> I can setup autolaunch of Firefox to a specific web page, that's the easy part. I just need a kiosk mode so that the browser fills the entire screen and that specific account is locked down to no other user.
[20:15] <Akuli> you want another account for that
[20:15] <t3kg33k> *no other use
[20:16] <t3kg33k> I haven't figured out how to get that Firefox autolaunch to launch at full screen yet either
[20:19] <t3kg33k> I'll be back on later...
[20:20] <anthony_> hdmi audio to work
[20:21] <anthony_> running ubuntu mate on my raspberry pi 3 and cant get AUDIO to work
[20:21] <anthony_> any suggestions
[23:27] <mate|31880> Hi everyone...
[23:28] <ouroumov> hi mate|31880
[23:30] <mate|31880> Hi ouroumov. I have many questions about Ubuntu Mate... Could you help me? I use Ubuntu 14.04.4 but wanna try ubuntu mate do you recommend that?
[23:31] <ouroumov> Yes
[23:31] <ouroumov> Especially if you're already using gnome-session-fallback on top of standard Ubuntu
[23:32] <ouroumov> What's your hardware like?
[23:34] <mate|31880> Well... I'm not a expert on Ubuntu. I tried to learn something about 3 years ago but none of i saw convinced to me.
[23:35] <mate|31880> 4GB RAM, 750GB DD... intel core i3....
[23:36] <ouroumov> Do you have dedicated graphics hardware (AMD / NVIDIA) ?
[23:37] <Nepper> Ayyy
[23:39] <mate|31880> Wait...please
[23:40] <ouroumov> mate|31880, I can provide you with a command to list your hardware specs if you want
[23:41] <ouroumov> Type this in a terminal open with (CTRL+ALT+T) and copy/paste the resulting url here: inxi -ACDSMNIG | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:41] <mate|31880> ouroumov: Sure. That help.
[23:43] <ouroumov> (you can copy stuff from the terminal using "CTRL+SHIFT+C")
[23:44] <mate|31880> Yes. Thanks!
[23:45] <mate|31880> Oh, I see... That thing says NVIDIA.
[23:45] <ouroumov> The inxi command lists different aspects of your system's hardware
[23:46] <ouroumov> Including the drivers, which is neat.
[23:47] <ouroumov> So anyway mate|31880, from what you told me your hardware is more than enough to run Ubuntu MATE.
[23:48] <ouroumov> If you want to see what Ubuntu MATE can be made to look like, we have a pretty well stocked Screenshots category on the forums: https://ubuntu-mate.community/c/multimedia/screenshots
[23:48] <mate|31880> Sorry. I was searching you asked me. But I don't have install inxi. I'm installing right now.
[23:48] <ouroumov> oh
[23:49] <ouroumov> right, sorry I forgot you're on 14.04
[23:49] <mate|31880> No problem
[23:49] <ouroumov> You can install it using: sudo apt install inxi
[23:50] <mate|31880> Thanks! Well.   [1;34mGraphics: [0;37m [1;34mCard:[0;37m Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
[23:52] <ouroumov> mate|31880, use the command above to paste it on termbin.com rater, that way I can download it in my terminal and use the color codes (those [1,34m... stuff)
[23:52] <ouroumov> inxi -ACDSMNIG | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:53] <mate|31880> I did.
[23:54] <ouroumov> It should give you an URL :)
[23:54] <ouroumov> I need the URL to find the correct paste
[23:55] <mate|31880> http://termbin.com/of22
[23:55] <mate|31880> Here is http://termbin.com/of22
[23:55] <ouroumov> Thanks
[23:56] <ouroumov> Okay, so I don't expect you to run into any problems due to your hardware
[23:56] <ouroumov> Everything should be OK
[23:56] <ouroumov> Oh wait,
[23:56] <ouroumov> You might encounter a Wifi problem
[23:56] <mate|31880> Yes?
[23:57] <ouroumov> I remember someone with a Qualcomm wifi having issue
[23:57] <ouroumov> But if it's working fine right now on 14.04 it should be OK once you install the driver pack
[23:58] <ouroumov> (You're guided through those steps by the Welcome splash screen after the installation)
[23:58] <ouroumov> (And it's a one-click install)