[07:19] <mardy> jamesh: hi! Would you like to add https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/online-accounts-api/timeout-1603706/+merge/300416 to your silo?
[07:20]  * jamesh looks
[07:24] <jamesh> mardy: we've generally disabled "exit on inactivity" behaviour for tests.  Wouldn't that make more sense?
[07:53] <mardy> jamesh: it's something that we actually want to test :-)
[07:54] <jamesh> mardy: sure, but you only need to test that in the "does the daemon exit on inactivity?" test
[07:55] <mardy> jamesh: well, I also want to catch any regressions where the daemon exits when it shouldn't
[07:56] <mardy> jamesh: I agree this could be restricted to a couple of tests, though, and not to the full suite
[07:59] <jamesh> mardy: that would probably be the best option.   For thumbnailer-service, we used an environment variable to override the inactivity timeout: had timeouts disabled entirely for most tests, and a fairly short timeout for the test that checks it actually exits.
[08:00] <jamesh> mardy: anyway.  The silo is now rebuilding with your branch added.
[08:00] <mardy> jamesh: excellent, please let me know if you see some failures, then I'll have no choice than following your advice
[08:02] <jamesh> well, the it didn't consistently fail before, and your changes will probably make them less likely.
[08:54] <mardy> dbarth: looks like the fix for bug 1593805 is working fine, can you approve silo 14?
[08:57] <dbarth> mardy: ah cool; yup
[10:07] <brunch875> Can krillin run in desktop mode / libertine?
[10:23] <bregma> brunch875, yes, technically it can but realistically it's a little under-powered and short of storage, and does not have a way to connect an external display device making classic GUIs difficult to use
[10:24] <bregma> you can, of course, always remote connect in using ssh or similar, if you're comfortable using only the command line
[10:25] <matv1> any news on that meizu mx6 release yet? that was suposed to be today right?
[10:46] <tuttle955i> the keyboard has last word syndrome
[10:46] <tuttle955i> syndrome
[11:48] <jamesh> mardy: there were two build failures in the silo after adding the new MP, so it looks like the race condition is still present.  I've left some details onhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/online-accounts-api/+bug/1603706
[11:48] <mardy> jamesh: argh! Ok, thanks
[11:50] <jamesh> mardy: it's the end of my work day, but if you want to try more builds, feel free to kick off more builds from https://requests.ci-train.ubuntu.com/#/ticket/1681
[11:50] <mardy> jamesh: ok!
[11:51] <mardy> jamesh: btw, do you know what this error means? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/273906836/buildlog_ubuntu-vivid-amd64.account-polld_0.1+16.04.20160627-0ubuntu5_BUILDING.txt.gz
[12:13] <matv1> what is the world coming to when 2 germans dont even get each others sense of humor :/
[12:13] <matv1> --no-australia-mode
[12:14] <ogra_> yeah
[12:14] <matv1> dont worry ogra_ in holland we did laugh about that
[12:15] <ogra_> :)
[12:15] <ogra_> would be funny if oSoMoN now implemented it secretly and made it say something funny then though
[12:16] <matv1> that would be AWSUM!
[12:16] <ogra_> :)
[12:16] <matv1> but i guess even at Canonical there must be a rule about eastereggs :(
[12:17]  * oSoMoN puts it in his list, schedules it for Easter 2017
[12:17] <ogra_> haha
[12:17] <matv1> lol :)
[12:20] <matv1> I guess you could make the full shell rotation switch listen to --no-australia-mode
[12:54] <dobey> mardy: that means "go install" failed, and go tools are really bad at reporting what the problem is
[13:04] <mardy> dobey: thanks! Will investigate
[13:16] <david89> Hello. Has anyone had any success using the
[13:16] <david89> Ubuntu SDK outside of Ubuntu? Am I mistaken in believing that it is only a QtCreator plugin?
[13:17] <ogra_> there is work going on to make the SDK a snap package ... then you should be able to just install it everywhere
[13:18] <david89> ogra_: any links I can look at?
[13:19] <ogra_> no idea ... once it is there you should be able to just "sudo snap install <however the name of teh snap will be>"
[13:19] <dobey> once you install snap on a distro where it works :)
[13:20] <david89> yea I was about to ask..
[13:20] <ogra_> it works on all distros
[13:20] <ogra_> well, except RHEL i guess
[13:20] <dobey> except ones with old kernels?
[13:20] <ogra_> you just need to install snapd on your distro
[13:20] <david89> just checked Arch has snapd in community
[13:20] <ogra_> it defaults to devmode install on all distros that dont have the necessary bits
[13:21] <dobey> oh yeah, arch should be "ok"
[13:21] <david89> I need to read up on these new 'packages'
[13:21] <ogra_> zbenjamin, ^^ do you know where the SDK snap stands ?
[13:21] <ogra_> (asking across the table via IRC :) )
[13:21] <david89> ogra_: hahaha, thanks
[13:22] <zbenjamin> ogra_: what do you mean? The IDE? Or the ui toolkit?
[13:22] <david89> IDe
[13:22] <ogra_> i thought there are plans to package the whole Ubuntu SDK as snap (i guess that would need both if you want to produce something useful with it)
[13:22] <david89> I mean, without being able to use the ui toolkit the IDe is poretty useless
[13:22] <ogra_> right
[13:23] <zbenjamin> so, the next public release of the SDK will always use containers to build. SO in theory everywhere where you can have lxd containers the IDE should be useable
[13:23] <ogra_> well, david89 is asking about running the IDE (and sdk) on arch
[13:23] <zbenjamin> we had a basic snappy version of the IDE before but it did lack all the work on interfaces. So i'm looking into whats required atm
[13:24] <ogra_> ah, cool
[13:24] <zbenjamin> yes, so arch should be doable
[13:24] <david89> pretty much this ^. I tried out ubuntu in a vm but was having problems with QML and opengl
[13:24] <zbenjamin> i will need to work on making sure to include all the required tools. So i think that could still take a while until we have something useable here
[13:25] <ogra_> it will likely not be small either :)
[13:25] <ogra_> but the ability to run it on all distros will compensate for that
[13:25] <zbenjamin> no :D, the non working version of it i just snapped is 80Mb :D
[13:25] <david89> not sure where you guys work or what ubuntu plans are, but I think getting the IDE available to everyone should be a top priority
[13:25] <ogra_> oh, thats tiny !
[13:25] <zbenjamin> for now, without any tools
[13:26] <ogra_> i would have expected it to rather be in the several 100s
[13:26] <zbenjamin> lets see when i'm done ;)
[13:26] <ogra_> :D
[13:27] <zbenjamin> david89: just next to providing a way to build snaps FROM the IDE right ;)
[13:27] <zbenjamin> david89: lots of top priority tasks atm
[13:27] <david89> for me thats the 'i' in IDe ;)
[13:28] <zbenjamin> david89: right now we have only click packaging support
[13:28] <david89> well I'm pretty excited
[13:28] <david89> keep up the good work!
[13:44] <grasstype> hello
[13:45] <david89> Hi
[13:46] <grasstype> It seems like finding manuals for things shouldn't be this hard
[13:47] <grasstype> cpp has a couple of websites dedicated to it. But official and complete ncurses documentation seems to be a little wonky
[13:48] <grasstype> tldp I guess is the place to go
[13:54] <grasstype> ah! got id
[13:54] <grasstype> :D
[13:55] <david89> grasstype: share!
[13:56] <grasstype> apt-install ncurses-doc
[13:56] <grasstype> bam, man page
[13:57] <grasstype> which already changes how I've been using it from tutorials - using #include <curses.h> instead of #include <ncurses.h>
[13:59] <david89> what are you working on?
[14:00] <grasstype> sorry about that. Playing with c++ and roguelikes
[14:01] <grasstype> For some reason every now and then keys stop working in this app - can't delete, press enter, etc
[14:01] <grasstype> Damn you OTA 11! or... whatever causes that. Reload fixes the problem though
[14:03] <grasstype> But yeah, the problem with tutorials is there is there always seems to be a point where something isn't explained and doesn't make a whole lot of sense
[14:03] <grasstype> even with the good ones
[14:05] <grasstype> There was one by Solarian Programmer that I liked, but it refactored all the code into classes, sometimes without any clear benefit, and all without explaining implementation - I had to download his source code to figure that out
[14:05] <grasstype> Which, btw, was fun. Started a couple days of delving into classes and whys and hows
[14:13] <grasstype> funny thing is btw I chose my name before pokemon go came out, and now I feel prophetic
[17:20] <Guest90180> Does anyone know if there is a version of linux that will allow you to use a touch screen on a laptop i.e. Lenovo Flex 3
[17:21] <k1l> Guest90180: this is the ubuntu-touch (phone) channel. for ubuntu (and touchscreen) issue ask in #ubuntu . for general linux help ask in ##linux
[17:23] <altker128> Random observation:  Using "interactive" as the CPU governor on N4 has made the responsiveness better and has not (to my observation) negatively affected battery life
[17:25] <k1l> uh, the governour topic is a very controversial one on android too. there are lots of custom kernels tweaking the governours
[17:32] <mhall119> mariogrip: will be there in 2 minutes
[17:32] <mariogrip> mhall119: ack
[17:34] <altker128> k1l: Yeah, I looked at some of the actual code and kernel commits.  I think Intel did a study on this and showed it's better to ratchet the CPU to 100%, finish the workload and drop to idle than jump between states.  Once you launch an app, after all the dynamic stuff, the CPU utilization should drop to near 0.
[17:36] <mhall119> mariogrip: bah, hangouts aren't working, give me a minute
[17:37] <mariogrip> mhall119: no problem
[17:42] <ahoneybun> what's going on
[17:42] <ahoneybun> what is ubuntu-pd and staging?
[17:43] <ahoneybun> mariogrip: is this the patreon hangout?
[17:46] <ahayzen> Hi, i've noted weird stuff happening recently on my mako (updates not working and claiming i need to sign in, the hotspot option being available! the system-settings app reporting that i'm on revision 1) ... Now while reporting unrelated another bug and trying to get the device version, i ran $ system-image-cli -i   and got "ImportError: Entry point ('console_scripts', 'system-image-cli') not found" ... is this a known issue with todays
[17:46] <ahayzen> image or should i just reflash ?
[17:52] <ahoneybun> that's odd ahayzen
[17:52] <ahoneybun> I'm on stable so can't say for sure
[17:52] <ahoneybun> also made it writable lol
[17:52] <ahayzen> yeah i'm on ubuntu-touch/rc-proposed/bq-aquaris.en
[17:53] <ahayzen> and mine has been writable for a few years now :-) .. but i only reflashed it this morning!
[17:53] <ahoneybun> any reason why there is a krillen image for flo?
[17:53] <ahayzen> you used to get the here stuff if you used krillin for mako, dunno if still the case
[17:53] <ahoneybun> moving to rc-proposed/ubuntu for flo
[18:05] <mariogrip> ahoneybun: no, it's the weekly call with mhall119
[18:11] <dobey> ahoneybun: you probably broke it, making it writable
[18:11] <padhu> anybody using moto E gen 1
[19:52] <embrik> Sorry to say, but I want to install android on my ubuntu phone Aquaris 4.5. I've tried to follow a how-to, but it stops on the first step, trying to start a flash-tool
[19:53] <k1l> there is a tool from bq to flash android on it. be aware to put your device into fastboot mode.
[19:55] <embrik> k1l, Ok, thanks I'll search there then
[22:14] <hellslinger> hi guys, I have an aquarius m10, and I did an apt dist-upgrade yesterday with the root partition remounted read/write and now the screen won't turn off and the power button does nothing, any ideas?
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