[04:45] <paddatrapper> Morning all
[06:09] <Kilos> morning inetpro Sicelo paddatrapper andrewlsd anton_may thatgraemeguy theblazehen and other lurkers
[06:10] <Kilos> Maaz tell superfly You are late!
[06:10] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay, I'll tell superfly on freenode
[06:14] <thatgraemeguy> morning
[06:20] <chesedo> good morning all
[06:27] <Kilos> hi chesedo urbanslug 
[06:39] <superfly> Kilos: I'm sorry, the train was a little late this morning
[06:39] <Maaz> superfly: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell superfly You are late!" 29 minutes and 25 seconds ago
[06:40] <Kilos> haha
[06:40] <superfly> Sicelo: interesting
[06:40] <Kilos> as long as youre ok superfly all good
[06:40] <superfly> ohi thatgraemeguy, chesedo, paddatrapper
[06:40] <superfly> Kilos: I'm fine
[06:40] <thatgraemeguy> hi fly
[06:40] <superfly> even a little bit of rain this morning
[06:54] <inetpro> goie more
[06:55] <Kilos> dag my pro
[06:55] <magespawn> good morning
[06:55] <Kilos> hi there magespawn 
[07:03] <Kilos> time for chores and sheep herding, wbb
[07:03] <paddatrapper> Rain makes everything late. I was 15 minutes late for my first lecture this morning... 
[07:04] <Kilos> ai!
[07:12] <magespawn> paddatrapper: pretend it is always raining and be 15 minutes early
[07:15] <paddatrapper> magespawn: I'm usually there 30 minutes or so before... Today was particularly bad
[07:22] <SEptic> yo
[07:22] <SEptic> kubuntu changing my life
[07:33] <nsnzero> my install is as stable as plutonium - its changing me as well 
[07:35] <paddatrapper> I found mine to be a bit buggy, but KDE plasma on Debian is as stable add
[07:35] <paddatrapper> As a rock.... 
[07:36] <paddatrapper> Why is enter so close to the backspace?.. 
[07:37] <nsnzero> considering i am running a LTS - it should  be like a rock - but i got sandstone - looks solid but crumbles with  little pressure 
[08:02] <anton_may> morning
[08:02]  * Kilos waves
[08:03] <Kilos> just remember guys, 16.04 is still having many bugs sorted, so if you find probs report them and that will help the dev team
[08:03] <Kilos> 14.04 lts is stable like granite
[08:04] <nsnzero> morning Kilos
[08:04] <Kilos> magespawn he kde peeps are becoming more and more
[08:04] <Kilos> hi nsnzero 
[08:05] <Kilos> hi Cryterion captine 
[08:05] <nsnzero> i like unstable - keeps me going - like  a mistress - gets me excited in a nice way
[08:06] <Kilos> lol
[08:07] <Kilos> if you guys enjoy fixing bugs join the bugsquad
[08:07] <Kilos> they are always crying for more help
[08:08] <Kilos> for those that dont get the weekly news letter
[08:08] <Kilos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue474
[08:46] <Kilos> Maaz kilos.newblog
[08:46] <Maaz> http://kilosubuntu.blogspot.com
[08:46] <Kilos> inetpro here come the waves
[09:18] <SEptic> fstab in kubuntu not wanna mount so easy as mint
[09:18] <SEptic> hmm... hang on
[09:18] <Kilos> what do you want to mount
[09:18] <Kilos> lol
[09:34] <Kilos> SEptic what are you breaking
[09:35] <SEptic> know me too well...
[09:35] <Kilos> lol
[09:35] <SEptic> fstabbing a network share
[09:43] <SEptic> trying to install a dependency for teamviewer now ... keep getting forbidden IP with apt-get
[09:44] <Kilos> you can use apt only nowadays
[09:45] <SEptic> yoh awesome
[09:45] <Kilos> what dependancy, isnt it in the repos?
[09:47] <Kilos> http://www.ubuntumaniac.com/2015/12/install-teamviewer-11-on-ubuntu-1604.html
[09:48] <Kilos> i havent been able to get the 64 bit version to work on 14.04 but the 32 bit works fine
[09:52] <SEptic> Package gdebi is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:52] <SEptic> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:52] <SEptic> is only available from another source
[09:52] <Kilos> oh my
[09:52] <Kilos> gdebi is and installer
[09:53] <Kilos> try change repos
[09:53] <SEptic> yea looking at that now hmm
[09:53] <Kilos> maybe repo ubdating or something
[09:55] <Kilos> https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiE9eSHof_NAhVVFMAKHQbIDPEQFgg4MAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.webupd8.org%2F2016%2F04%2Fthings-to-do-after-installing-ubuntu-1604-lts-xenial-xerus.html&usg=AFQjCNH3DOMqpuxuabXB5xg4rPM8QfefIw&sig2=cElmLi4S1XCG19zr9cCviQ
[09:55] <Kilos> eish
[09:56] <Kilos> there is a story about gdebi in there
[10:30] <magespawn> i have been given persmission to run vm on the work pc
[10:31] <Kilos> thats nice magespawn 
[10:33] <nsnzero> what you installing ?
[10:34] <Kilos> lol something stable without bugs like 14.04 kubuntu
[10:34] <nsnzero> since we have so many viruses here - i run lubuntu with windows 7 in a vm - reinstall windows was once a pain 
[10:35] <nsnzero> now i just use use a backup of the image 
[10:36] <magespawn> so far win xp 64 prof, kubuntu 16.04 and ubuntu server 16.04
[10:36] <magespawn> the win xp is for support of customers
[10:36] <Kilos> lol
[10:36] <Kilos> ok ok
[10:37] <magespawn> had one a day ago or so that was running win xp, and i could not remember my way around it all
[10:37] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:37] <Sicelo> yesterday it was mentioned that kmail has a habit of losing mail - does this mean it loses mail in its local cache, or it wipes them from the server as wel?
[10:40] <Kilos> ask  MaNI 
[10:41] <Sicelo> otherwise, how are you Kilos?
[10:41] <Kilos> ok ty and you?
[10:42] <Sicelo> i'm well too 
[10:42] <MaNI> There were various different bugs I believe, but mostly local cache, if you have a pop email address then local cache is of course everything.
[10:44] <Sicelo> yeah :P
[10:44] <Sicelo> POP sucks .. i don't use that
[10:44] <Kilos> i use it
[10:44] <Kilos> and im sure all my gmails are still there in the sky
[10:45] <Kilos> pop only copies new mails down to my thunderbird
[10:45] <nsnzero> pop downloads the email to the local cache - the server copy is destroyed unless - leave copy on server is selected
[10:46] <Kilos> i must have done that then
[10:46] <Kilos> mountains of mail up there
[10:47] <nsnzero> aaah good - i use pop for most mails but imap when i need to save them for long term 
[10:53] <Sicelo> i'm lucky that all services i use do support IMAP. 
[10:55] <Sicelo> anyway, i was just asking re: kmail in case i feel like using it some day .. for now - mutt all the way
[10:59] <nsnzero> text based email client ?  takes away the beauty of the desktop 
[11:00] <Sicelo> i use mutt, irssi, etc. .. so yeah ;)
[11:01] <Sicelo> i said yesterday .. for me a DE is just a launcher :p
[11:01] <Sicelo> i could even work without one .. but i also need to browse internet in a better way than lynx/elinks
[11:01] <nsnzero> i tried irissi and send mail - i got lost trying to set it up - maybe i didnt try hard enough
[11:02] <Sicelo> maybe
[11:03] <Sicelo> there is only one thing annoying about irssi (for me) .. you can't do /ns id for example
[11:03] <Sicelo> you have to /quote ns id ...
[11:03] <Sicelo> which can suck sometimes
[11:03] <nsnzero> Sicelo: you are hardcore linux  - i am more of the pretty buttons and animations type
[11:04] <Sicelo> nah .. just a noob still
[11:07] <nsnzero> you cant be a noob - cos i have to google the commands you quote to see what they do !
[11:09] <Sicelo> nah .. i know irssi because i use it .. doesn't mean i know other stuff :)
[11:10] <Kilos> lol
[11:10] <MaNI> I've not looked at it in over a year though - so maybe it's all fixed I'm not sure
[11:11] <Sicelo> MaNI: you mean kmail?
[11:11] <MaNI> yeah
[11:11] <Sicelo> okay
[11:11] <MaNI> I'm just not really willing to trust anything thats ever had that sort of issue, data loss bugs are serious in my books
[11:12] <MaNI> and yeah pop isn't great - but at the time I had a bunch of legacy pop email 
[11:15] <Sicelo> yes, for sure
[11:18] <MaNI> The initial bad stuff was years ago though - I mean kde4 happened 8 years ago, so thats a lot of time for things to be fixed, so perhaps at some point it is all in the past. At the same time I've sort of 'periodically checked in' with people I trust since then and asked them if it works properly yet and the general consensus was 'still broken', but I've not checked in over a year now so who knows, some research might be in order, heh
[11:22] <paddatrapper> I use kmail, but only for IMAP. Been mostly stable
[11:22] <paddatrapper> It certainly has its quircks though
[11:24] <magespawn> what is tha nem for htop to install, keep getting cannot locate package
[11:24] <magespawn> s/nem/name
[11:26] <magespawn> this is 16.04
[11:26] <nsnzero> i think htop is part of sys-utils - wait
[11:27] <Sicelo> htop is standalone
[11:27] <Sicelo> just apt-get install htop
[11:27] <Kilos> apt only
[11:27] <Sicelo> (or is that apt install nowadays?)
[11:27] <Sicelo> :)
[11:27] <Kilos> yes
[11:28] <magespawn> that is where i get the error so something not right somewhere, let me check
[11:29] <magespawn> hmm does not want to connect za.archive.ubuntu.com
[11:29] <nsnzero> yip my bad - sudo apt install htop
[11:31] <nsnzero> server is down - some index files failed to load error
[11:33] <Sicelo> internet problem?
[11:33] <Sicelo> dns maybe?
[11:34] <nsnzero> its from yesterday afternoon - maybe repository maintenance in progress 
[11:36] <nsnzero> i connect to my laptop via ssh from my android phone and run htop - that way i can see exactly what is running on my system at any moment on the phone
[11:36] <magespawn> looks like it is working fine now
[11:37] <nsnzero> updates - oh yeah 
[12:10] <dlPhreak> Hello all
[12:12] <Kilos> hi dlPhreak 
[12:12] <Kilos> you still alive
[12:17] <dlPhreak> Alive, dead, what's the difference?
[12:17] <dlPhreak> JK lol 
[12:17] <Kilos> you make more noise when alive
[12:17] <magespawn> i have not seen any dead people chatting here
[12:17] <magespawn> lol
[12:19] <dlPhreak> Yeah but I'm undead, magespawn hehe
[12:26] <magespawn> free willed i am assuming
[12:26] <magespawn> no zombie's allowed here
[12:26] <magespawn> zombie
[12:26] <magespawn> zombies
[12:26] <magespawn> get it right eventually]
[12:26] <magespawn> i give up
[12:33] <dlPhreak> Hahaha
[12:34] <Sicelo> hmm, that 'bug' i talked about yesterday with the charging icon seems serious ... even though the laptop is discharging, as long as the icon 'thinks' the laptop is charging, it does not automatically hibernate :-/
[12:37] <dlPhreak> Which DE are you using, Sicelo ?
[12:37] <Sicelo> KDE
[12:38] <Sicelo> could just be debian jessie's version that's broken
[12:57] <Langjan> Hi Kilos hoe gaan dit?
[12:58] <Kilos> ok dankie Langjan en jy
[12:58] <Langjan> Ook goed dankie, hulle voorspel warmer weer...
[12:58] <Kilos> mooi
[12:58] <Langjan> het jou goed daar aangekom?
[12:58] <Kilos> hoog tyd
[12:58] <Kilos> nee 
[12:59] <Langjan> eish! ok ek volg op
[12:59] <Kilos> ai! als so sleg orals ne
[12:59] <Kilos> nerens doen hulle hul werk nie
[13:00] <Kilos> hulle het my ook nie gebel nie
[13:00] <Kilos> ek gaan more hospitaal toe vir my prostaat pille en bors xstrale
[13:01] <Langjan> Sal jy heeldag weg wees? Watter hospitaal?
[13:03] <Kilos> kalafong
[13:03] <Kilos> ons ry 5 uur in die oggend en min dat ons voor 4nm tuis is
[13:04] <Langjan> watter hospitaal?
[13:04] <Langjan> ok ek sien dankie
[13:04] <Kilos> lol
[13:04] <Kilos> pro so se keep up man
[13:04] <Kilos> hehe
[13:06] <Langjan> Wat beteken "pro so se keep up man"?
[13:06] <Kilos> inet pro se dit vir my as ek stadig is
[13:07] <Kilos> keep up man
[13:07] <Langjan> OK sal hulle moet laat weet dat more nie sal werk nie
[13:07] <Kilos> dankie my vriend
[13:07] <Langjan> Kan sien jy is nie 'n vrou nie
[13:07] <Kilos> hoekom
[13:07] <Langjan> kan nie multitask nie
[13:08] <Kilos> hahaha
[13:08] <Langjan> antwoord net een op 'n slag
[13:08] <Kilos> nee ek kan net een ding op n slag doen
[13:10] <Langjan> Ek sien so ja, moet net een vraag op 'n keer vra - once upon a time, not twice together
[13:10] <Kilos> hahahaha
[13:10] <Langjan> Voel jy OK vandag?
[13:10] <Kilos> hoes nog kwaai
[13:11] <Kilos> oggend en saans
[13:11] <Langjan> Ai
[13:11] <Langjan> Ek stuur vir jou 'n goeie hoesresep as jy wil
[13:11] <Kilos> res van die dag nie ondraagbaar nie
[13:12] <Langjan> Dis seker hoekom jy nie vra wat ek gebreek het nie, lmga
[13:12] <Kilos> dis die slym goed wat uit die longe kom
[13:12] <Kilos> so moet hoes
[13:12] <Kilos> hoes resep van wat
[13:13] <Kilos> ek vat suiker op ui
[13:13] <Kilos> en vicks acto plus
[13:13] <Langjan> suiker? dis gif man
[13:13] <Kilos> en heuning en gemmer
[13:13] <Langjan> klink beter
[13:13] <Langjan> kyk op e-pos
[13:13] <Kilos> ok
[13:14] <Kilos> epos soos jy
[13:14] <Kilos> stadig
[13:14] <Langjan> nee man, jy moet jou masjien stel om meer gereeld af te laai
[13:14] <Kilos> lol ek het nou net afgelaai
[13:15] <Kilos> nou is hy hier
[13:15] <Langjan> hys lankal daar, dis daai kde wat so stadig werk
[13:16] <Kilos> jaja
[13:16] <Langjan> bly jy erken, jy kom reg boet
[13:16] <Langjan> lmga
[13:16] <Kilos> haha
[13:16] <Kilos> jy nogal parmantig vir n toppie ne
[13:17] <Langjan> Ja want ek is ver weg en kan boonop vinnig hardloop
[13:17] <Kilos> hahaha
[13:17] <Langjan> Vlieg jy nog 1 sept?
[13:17] <Kilos> ons hoop so
[13:17] <Langjan> Wie gaan my help my goed regmaak?e
[13:18] <Kilos> wag vir boetie te kom kuier laat ek hom kan pla vir lang ponde
[13:18] <Kilos> ek sal nog hier wees
[13:18] <Kilos> net 8 huur voor julle
[13:18] <Langjan> waar is boetie?
[13:18] <Kilos> jozi
[13:18] <Kilos> hy ook siek haha
[13:19] <Langjan> wats verkeerd
[13:19] <Kilos> almal het die griep goed
[13:19] <Langjan> ai
[13:19] <Langjan> net nie ek en Juanita nie
[13:19] <Kilos> mooi want julle sterk ne
[13:20] <Langjan> ja maar was nie 20 jaar terug so nie
[13:20] <Kilos> verkeerd ge eet
[13:20] <Langjan> nee, het nie dieet aangevul nie 
[13:21] <Kilos> o ja dit ook
[13:21] <Langjan> net dit
[13:21] <Kilos> oompie ek moet gaan skape kraal toe jaag
[13:21] <Kilos> sal jy later nog hier wees
[13:22] <Langjan> ok 
[13:22] <Kilos> dankie
[13:23] <Kilos> wees soek intussen ne
[13:26] <SEptic> i think my fstab is executing before my networks are established... where does rc.local fit into the booting sequence of kubuntu?
[13:27] <Langjan> ek soek, lmga! 
[14:25] <Kilos> ai!
[14:25] <Kilos> soet nie soek nie man
[14:25] <Kilos> Langjan skrik wakker en weet wat ek wou se
[14:27] <Langjan> Hoe moet ek weet wat jy wou se as jy dit nie se nie boet?Lmga
[14:27] <Langjan> het jy nie op die skaapdrolle gegly nie?
[14:27] <Kilos> dink wat pas beter man
[14:29] <Kilos> ek sukkel met my volk
[14:30] <Langjan> eks nie volk nie, eks 'n  boer!
[14:30] <Kilos> lmga
[14:31] <Langjan> Vanaand gaan die volkies koring sny, koring sny - jy ken die volkspeleliedjie?
[14:31] <Kilos> dis presies die volk van wie ek praat
[14:31] <Kilos> jaja
[14:31] <Langjan> nee my pigment is te min daarvoor
[14:31] <Kilos> die wat gekyk het hou die ander volk werk
[14:32] <pavlushka> Good evening ZA!
[14:32] <Langjan> nee hulle het voor gewerk, die ander moes byhou
[14:32] <Kilos> evening pavlushka 
[14:32] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:32] <Kilos> jaja
[14:32] <Langjan> hi pavlushka howzit?
[14:33] <Langjan> ja-nee
[14:33] <Langjan> Jy moet baie siek wees
[14:33] <Sicelo> hi hi pavlushka :)
[14:34] <Kilos> hoekom?
[14:34] <Langjan> vergeet om te vra wat het ek gebreek
[14:34] <Kilos> o ja
[14:34] <Kilos> sjoe
[14:34] <pavlushka> Langjan: It was great, just missed it by a pico margin, :p
[14:35] <Langjan> ?
[14:35] <Kilos> huh?
[14:35] <Langjan> What did you miss pavlushka ?
[14:35] <Langjan> pico margin?
[14:36] <pavlushka> yesterday I was helping someone trouble shooting his wifi, we missed something at the beginning, I am repenting for that, :(
[14:36] <Kilos> oh is it fixed now pavlushka ?
[14:36] <Langjan> well sounds like you found it again, so?
[14:36] <Sicelo> tell us more
[14:37] <Langjan> Wat het ek gebreek Kilos ?
[14:37] <Kilos> wb aquarat 
[14:37] <Kilos> hy konnie iemand se wifi aan die gang kry nie
[14:37] <Kilos> oh
[14:37] <pavlushka> there was actually a kind of device conflict, you will notice the device was using two module at a time.
[14:37] <Kilos> ek weet nie, vertel jy
[14:38] <pavlushka> wl and bcma
[14:38] <Sicelo> i saw the modules, but they were not in use :-/
[14:38] <Kilos> ah so disabling the wrong one cured the prob
[14:38] <Langjan> niks nie, werk nie met kde nie! Lmga! 
[14:38] <pavlushka> no, we had make only one available, and the other one blacklisted
[14:38] <Sicelo> you blacklisted the 
[14:39] <Kilos> wag jou beurt kom weer
[14:39] <Sicelo> yes :)
[14:39] <Sicelo> bcma blacklisted, i guess?
[14:39] <Langjan> Conflict never good, even on machines
[14:39] <pavlushka> that was to find out which one to black list after testing both.
[14:39] <pavlushka> by one at a time.
[14:40] <Sicelo> or i should ask .. which one is best? wl, i suppose?
[14:40] <Kilos> now you hve learned more so thats good
[14:40] <pavlushka> first removing both, and then modprobing one by one and testing.
[14:40] <Sicelo> i learned about apt install :)
[14:40] <Kilos> lol
[14:40] <pavlushka> may be wl, not sure
[14:41] <pavlushka> Sicelo: :)
[14:42] <Kilos> Langjan whats with the docx files
[14:43] <Kilos> dont you know how to use gedit
[14:43] <Sicelo> that's what i've found out with helping .. you give something, and get something in return .. may be completely unrelated, but it's something
[14:43] <Kilos> or even type in the email
[14:43] <pavlushka> Sicelo: you can see it here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#Switching_between_drivers
[14:45] <Sicelo> yeah .. i remember that from yesterday. ;)
[14:46] <pavlushka> lol @ Sicelo 
[14:46] <pavlushka> for give something and get something
[15:45] <Langjan> Whats wrong Kilos, can kde not open docx files? I usually only use gedit to get rid of formatting that I don't need
[15:45] <Kilos> oh yes i opened it fine but
[15:45] <Kilos> attachments are painful things
[15:45] <Langjan> I have some odf files on my system, some Word xp and some docx, Unity handles them all well!!
[15:46] <Kilos> fill my desktop with junk
[15:46] <Kilos> you use libreoffice so of course you can see stuff
[15:47] <Langjan> well copy and paste to wherever you like or memorise and delete, I know its difficult to create folders in My Documents using kde
[15:47] <Kilos> hahahaha
[15:47] <Langjan> dont you use libre office?
[15:47] <Kilos> to open attachments yes
[15:48] <Langjan> ok but you never create docs?
[15:48] <Kilos> didnt you read the little book fly did for me
[15:48] <Langjan> little book about?
[15:49] <Kilos> reapiring win pcs from a linux usb stick and doing data recoveries etc
[15:49] <Kilos> repairing
[15:49] <Langjan> dont remember, but at my age that doesnt mean much
[15:50] <Kilos> oh yes
[15:50] <Langjan> oh no
[15:50] <Langjan> lmga!
[15:50] <Langjan> you'll get there
[15:50] <Langjan> let me check
[15:50] <Kilos> get some bacopa
[15:51] <Langjan> backup?
[15:51] <Langjan> whats the books name?
[15:51] <Kilos> oh my
[15:51] <Kilos> ive forgotten
[15:51] <Langjan> lmga! hiehiehie
[15:52] <Kilos> it was just a guide on how to use the stick
[15:52] <Kilos> read your mail
[15:52] <Langjan> so now you need a guide on how to index
[15:52] <Kilos> no man thats was three drives ago
[15:52] <Kilos> or mor
[15:52] <Kilos> e
[15:53] <Kilos> and this lappy came in since then as well
[15:53] <Kilos> and then the ssd
[15:53] <Kilos> sigh
[15:54] <Langjan> Gotta go somewhere, no sheep, chat later
[15:54] <Kilos> ok
[15:54] <Kilos> go safe
[16:08] <Kilos> paddatrapper keep me informed as to what the weed says please
[16:19] <paddatrapper> Will do Kilos
[16:19] <Kilos> ty
[16:21] <magespawn> home time, chat later all
[16:22] <Sicelo> cya magespawn 
[16:22] <Kilos> later magespawn 
[16:28] <Kilos> supper time
[16:40] <Langjan> Eet lekker vriend, ons gesels weer vorentoe as jou kde nie breek nie. 
[16:51] <Kilos> cheeky old man
[16:53] <inetpro> Kilos: Opera browser sold to a Chinese consortium for $600 million (May be a good time to stop using Opera) : https://t.co/mG57kZ3OJp
[16:53] <Kilos> wow
[16:53] <Kilos> now it will work even better
[16:55] <Kilos> maybe not let it upgrade anymore thats all
[17:03] <MaNI> mobile browsers will be a big loss, the desktop version is just a reskinned chrome these days anyway
[18:24] <theblazehen> Wow. SMTP is from 1982..
[18:25] <theblazehen> https://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc821.txt
[18:33] <nsnzero> alot of the old protocols are still in use today - costs too much to update the infrastructure if it still does what it supposed to do
[19:17] <theblazehen> Well, SMTP, not so much. Mostly ESMTP these days
[19:30] <Kilos> evening inetpro superfly and other za peeps
[19:31] <superfly> hi Kilos
[19:31] <theblazehen> hi Kilos, superfly
[19:32] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[19:33] <Kilos> night all. see you tomorrow avy
[19:33] <pavlushka> Night Kilos superfly theblazehen , :)