[00:18] <octacian> Does anyone know if Unity3D still works on Linux? I get Service Not Available when I try to sign in
[00:23] <deadgrub> when I upgraded my ubuntu system last night, grub crashed halfway, and now when I boot I just get grub>
[00:23] <deadgrub> I've tried various things I found on the interwebs, but so far I've not made any progress
[00:24] <nacc> deadgrub: i would probably boot into a live USB and 'fix' the install that crashed
[00:24] <al_nz1> ok, so I booted live USB, deleted the secondary disk that had my home folder, formatted it as ext4 and rebooted. Now when I try to login it flashes some text and I am back to login screen. I can however login as guest.
[00:24] <deadgrub> I booted off the install cd and chrooted into the system and successfully reran dpkg --configure -a and it finished fine
[00:24] <deadgrub> but still grub>
[00:24] <nacc> deadgrub: ah :)
[00:24] <al_nz1> do I just need to create /media/home
[00:24] <trism> octacian: still works, that was a bug in one of the older versions, what version do you have?
[00:24] <deadgrub> it's particularly frustrating as I have 8 machines like this, all headless, and I upgraded all of them using fabric
[00:24] <nacc> al_nz1: does the user you are trying to login as not have a $HOME any longer?
[00:24] <deadgrub> and they all died identically
[00:25] <nacc> deadgrub: what version of ubuntu?
[00:25] <deadgrub> 16.04
[00:25] <al_nz1> nacc: no - nobody has a /home anymore
[00:25] <OerHeks> hold shift @ boot, choose recovery, login and run dpkg-reconfigure -a and update again
[00:25] <deadgrub> nacc: this looks very similar to what I saw: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2330915
[00:25] <al_nz1> OerHeks: that @ me?
[00:25] <deadgrub> but that didn't work
[00:26] <deadgrub> how many lines can I paste?
[00:26] <nacc> !paste | deadgrub: use a pastebin for any multiline posts
[00:26] <OerHeks> al_nz1, no, for deadgrub
[00:26] <al_nz1> OerHeks: ahh soz
[00:27] <deadgrub> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19976577/
[00:27] <deadgrub> is the last lines
[00:27] <nacc> al_nz1: what does it 'flash'? can you login on tty1 (ctrl + alt + f1)?
[00:27] <nacc> deadgrub: and it just hangs there
[00:27] <nacc> deadgrub: ?
[00:27] <al_nz1> nacc: I am logged in as guest, can terminal from there and su root
[00:27] <deadgrub> they all crashed at that point, and all are grub> now
[00:27] <deadgrub> on one machine I did the dpkg configure -a and it finished
[00:28] <deadgrub> but no change
[00:28] <nacc> al_nz1: that's not the same
[00:28] <deadgrub> I have not yet tried boot-repair, mentioned in that article
[00:28] <deadgrub> but it's not on the livecd
[00:28] <deadgrub> it appears to be some ppa
[00:28] <deadgrub> is it worth trying?
[00:29] <deadgrub> is there any guide to debugging grub brokenness?
[00:29] <deadgrub> (for example, I don't know whether grub is even looking in the right place for the config)
[00:29] <Eli-5dce> deadgrub - just asking i haven't seen your whole chat... Is your grub broken?
[00:29] <al_nz1> nacc: the background to all of this is I setup my OS disk as a SSD, and then followed a guide to move /home to a seperate disk - this was fine. I still have "old home" on the ssd. (there was virtually no data in my /home directory and Im the only user), but then I realised the secondary disk for "data" was NTFS formatted. I have since booted a live CD and formatted the normal disk as ext4, but
[00:29] <al_nz1> now need to rsync the old home with the new disk and make sure the OS knows where its home is etc
[00:30] <octacian> trism: I have 5.1.0f3
[00:30] <deadgrub> Eli-5dce: well it's not working.  I don't know whether grub itself is broken, or the configuration part
[00:31] <trism> octacian: yeah that's really old, there are newer builds here: https://community.unity.com/t5/Linux-Editor/Unity-on-Linux-Release-Notes-and-Known-Issues/m-p/2323665#U2323665
[00:31] <deadgrub> I can type commands into the grub> prompt
[00:31] <Eli-5dce> deadgrub: can you not boot into your system?
[00:31] <deadgrub> and even boot some random kernel
[00:31] <nacc> deadgrub: you *can* boot from the grub prompt?
[00:31] <deadgrub> grub does not bring up the menu, just a prompt
[00:31] <al_nz1> nacc: yes I can login from CLI after CTRL-ALT-F1 - it complains that I have no /home and uses HOME=/ instead
[00:31] <al_nz1> nacc: I then get a terminal prompt
[00:31] <nacc> al_nz1: right, so you should, as root, fix that
[00:31] <nacc> al_nz1: probably ...
[00:31] <deadgrub> I can start a kernel with linux /vmlinuz \n boot
[00:32] <deadgrub> but it doesn't have all the other stuff like initrd and root
[00:32] <deadgrub> so it gives up
[00:32] <al_nz1> nacc: ok - and how would I do that?
[00:32] <nacc> deadgrub: right, so it's probably not seeing your configuration file, which might mean it's not seeing /boot
[00:32] <deadgrub> boot is part of /
[00:32] <deadgrub> not a separate partition I mean
[00:33] <nacc> sure, i just mean it's not seeing the disks
[00:33] <deadgrub> but how would it boot /vmlinuz in that case?
[00:33] <deadgrub> or is that separate
[00:33] <nacc> deadgrub: hrm, good point :)
[00:33] <deadgrub> it does have (hd0) etc
[00:33] <nacc> deadgrub: ok, can you ls (hd0),/boot ?
[00:33] <nacc> [iirc, that's the syntax]
[00:34] <deadgrub> interestingly, it wouldn't let me before, something about secure mode not allowing ls.ko
[00:34] <Eli-5dce> deadgrub: have you ever tried reinstall? or booting into ubuntu-live and install boot-repair and do reccomended settings?
[00:34] <nacc> deadgrub: grub has tab-complete
[00:34] <deadgrub> so I switched to old fashioned boot, and ls works
[00:34] <nacc> deadgrub: yeah, i think it's a secure boto issue
[00:34] <deadgrub> secure boto (/me goes web searching)
[00:34] <nacc> deadgrub: the grub update you're referring to, i think is from LP: #1574727
[00:34] <nacc> deadgrub: sorry, "secure boot" (typo)
[00:35] <deadgrub> ah ok
[00:35] <deadgrub> not the aws python wrapper then
[00:35] <nacc> deadgrub: :) sorry about that
[00:35] <deadgrub> no problem
[00:36] <deadgrub> ok, so perhaps I could go back a version on grub?
[00:36] <deadgrub> just looking, 1 machine of the six reliably booted
[00:36] <deadgrub> how interesting
[00:36] <nacc> deadgrub: hrm, strange...
[00:36] <nacc> deadgrub: i would think they'd all be the same, if identical
[00:37] <deadgrub> indeed
[00:37] <deadgrub> http://paste.ubuntu.com/19977769/
[00:37] <deadgrub> is from that machine
[00:38] <deadgrub> is that the same grub that is broken?
[00:38] <deadgrub> looks like it
[00:38] <deadgrub> so for some reason 1 of 6 identical machines didn't break
[00:39] <deadgrub> these are intel braswell machines, if that is useful
[00:39] <nacc> !info grub-efi-amd64-bin xenial
[00:39] <nacc> yeah that's the latest version (from updates) in 16.04
[00:39] <deadgrub> curious
[00:39] <nacc> deadgrub: i assume you have console logs?
[00:39] <nacc> deadgrub: did they all upgrade with the same output, etc?
[00:39] <deadgrub> I don't suppose I could just dd the bootsector or something
[00:40] <deadgrub> all identical, but 5 hung on that line I pasted earlier
[00:40] <deadgrub> the last continued to completion
[00:40] <deadgrub> and when I used livecd to chroot in, I could complete that machine, though it still doesn't boot
[00:42] <rafael> com
[00:42] <nacc> deadgrub: i'm assuming you didn't make any other changes, they were all using secure boot already (BIOS setting, usually), etc?
[00:42] <TylerHoffman>  Any free VPNs that does nto rquire subscription
[00:43] <deadgrub> I believe so, though it's easy for slight divergence to occur (e.g. upgrade timing)
[00:43] <deadgrub> I have to assume that they are subtly different at this point
[00:43] <deadgrub> although they all have the same software installed
[00:43] <octacian> trism: thanks. I'll take a  look. I'm looking for open source game engines. But can't find anything good for both 2D and 3D.
[00:44] <orlock> octacian: iD open sourced some of theirs i think?
[00:44] <Eli-5dce> TylerHoffman : Nope, unless you have a miracle that you can make ur own... You're just out of luck
[00:44] <deadgrub> btw, is this the best channel for this?
[00:44] <octacian> orlock: can you give me the website?
[00:45] <Eli-5dce> deadgrub: if you have any issues mostly with ubuntu and it'
[00:45] <orlock> i dont know what it is
[00:45] <orlock> but.. you know iD, right?
[00:45] <octacian> orlock: no. I don't
[00:45] <Eli-5dce> deadgrub
[00:45] <deadgrub> octacian: what do you mean by game engire for 2d and 3d btw?
[00:46] <orlock> octacian: responsible for advancing PC gaming more than any other company with the exception maybe of Valve
[00:46] <Eli-5dce> woah
[00:47] <Zgan> hello any one know how to control fan speed on ubuntu
[00:47] <deadgrub> Zgan: do you mean to set the speed once, or set the policy?
[00:47] <Zgan> set the speed
[00:48] <nacc> deadgrub: when you said the grub install crashed, what did you mean earlier? the hang from the forums post? or did `apt` say an error occurred?
[00:49] <deadgrub> Zgan: may I ask why you want to set it?  it should normally be under automatic feedback control
[00:49] <deadgrub> nacc: the hang
[00:49] <Eli-5dce> :/
[00:50] <nico_> hola
[00:50] <deadgrub> so initially I pushed a full-upgrade out, and 5/6 machines hung on that line Installing for x86_64-efi platform.
[00:50] <nacc> deadgrub: ok, just checking
[00:50] <deadgrub> the remaining machine came back happily
[00:51] <deadgrub> I then livecd'd a dead (grub> prompt) machine and finished the dpkg --configure -a manually, but that didn't fix the problem
[00:51] <orlock> octacian: https://github.com/id-Software
[00:51] <deadgrub> Zgan: setting it manually risks ruining your cpu
[00:51] <nacc> deadgrub: after you did that (dpkg --configure -a chroot'd), did you run another `apt update; apt upgrade` for good measure?
[00:52] <deadgrub> I did not
[00:52] <orlock> octacian: That what you were after?
[00:52] <nacc> deadgrub: ok, could you try that?
[00:52] <Eli-5dce> ۞
[00:52] <OerHeks> and update-grub perhaps?
[00:52] <deadgrub> partly because I had unplugged the network :)
[00:52] <nacc> OerHeks: good call
[00:52] <deadgrub> but I will go and try that now
[00:52] <nacc> deadgrub: as OerHeks said, also maybe `update-grub` at the end, for good measure
[00:52] <deadgrub> I will.  be back in a while - it's super tedious with all the manual mounting stuffs
[00:53] <nacc> deadgrub: sure
[00:53] <irregular> Hi guys, how do I find out what kind of desktop (?) I'm using, i.e. if I am using kde or gnome?
[00:53] <nacc> deadgrub: the other thing to check on is `update-secureboot-policy --enable`
[00:53] <nacc> deadgrub: which should ensure that secureboot is on in your stack (with a nice little debconf UI)
[00:54] <nacc> deadgrub: (might need to not pas --enable to get the prompt)
[00:55] <sarkis> hey all - how can i see if some package is stuck in a bad state? so the behavior im seeing is that apt-get upgrade <some package> wants to install / restart other packages that have *nothing* to do with package being upgraded
[00:55] <orlock> blame systemd
[00:55] <sarkis> my only guess is they are stuck in a half installed state so apt-get retries every run?
[00:55] <sarkis> seeing this behavior on 14.04
[00:56] <octacian> orlock: thanks. I'll consider. Prob gonna go for Unity3D though.. I already have SOME experience there
[00:59] <nacc> sarkis: before you do the upgrade (note upgrading one specific package is not really something you usually need to do), does `apt-get -f install` want to finish something?
[00:59] <nacc> sarkis: in fact, i don't think upgrade takes any parameters :)
[01:00] <nacc> sarkis: it's just upgrading them all
[01:00] <sarkis> lol that might be the problem
[01:00] <nacc> sarkis: read `man apt-get` :)
[01:00] <sarkis> it should be apt-get install <package-name>
[01:01] <nacc> sarkis: yes, that would just install the one package (and any deps); if there are leftover unfinished installations/configurations, those will get rerun (and can be run before the new pacage install with `apt-get -f install`, usually)
[01:01] <sarkis> can i see what its going to run ... scared to run apt-get -f install on production
[01:01] <sarkis> will it prompt?
[01:02] <nacc> sarkis: it should always prompt to confirm iirc
[01:02] <nacc> sarkis: `apt-get -f install` means to fix it
[01:03] <nacc> sarkis: it should only do something if you've got broken packages already
[01:03] <deadgrub> ok, 64 new packages...
[01:03] <nacc> sarkis: which ... you should never have in production, because you should have already tested this in dev :)
[01:03] <deadgrub> is there a way to force apt to reinstall everything grub related?
[01:03] <nacc> deadgrub: you could try `apt-get reinstall grub*`
[01:03] <deadgrub> update-secureboot-policy, ok thanks
[01:04] <deadgrub> nacc: doesn't that only reinstall the virtual package
[01:05] <deadgrub> why is update-initrd so slow, and why does it have to run a zillion times?
[01:05] <deadgrub> ok, apt update && apt full-upgrade complete
[01:08] <deadgrub> update-secureboot says not DKMS pacackes, so doing nothing
[01:08] <effectnet> hello
[01:09] <effectnet> i am clicking things and it's grabbing it instead of clicking it.  i have tried two mice now.  what is happening?
[01:09] <deadgrub> effectnet there's an accessibility thing that turns that on and off, perhaps in mouse settings?
[01:10] <minimec> irregular: how comes you don't know what window manager you are running? I would look for some processes like 'pidof gnome-settings-daemon' for gnome3 or 'pidof unity-settings-daemon' for unity. I never tried KDE, but there is probably some 'pidof kde-<TAB>' process or 'pidof qt5-<TAB>' process running for KDE.
[01:10] <effectnet> k thx ill check
[01:11] <deadgrub> effectnet: sorry, I can't find it here, but I remember it was something like click ones to drag, twice to click
[01:11] <deadgrub> for people with trouble with coordination
[01:12] <snfgf> I'm getting error
[01:12] <snfgf> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "libgcrypt11:i386"
[01:12] <snfgf> I have 'dpkg --add-architecture i386'
[01:13] <deadgrub> nacc: OerHeks: ok, update-grubbed, it seems to have done things.  Is there anything else I should do before rebooting again?  is there something like install-mbr?
[01:13] <snfgf> I am using 64 bit pc
[01:13] <minimec> irregular: or simply logout and choose the installed window manager you want.
[01:13] <deadgrub> snfgf: something like libruntime32?
[01:14] <deadgrub> sudo apt-get install ia32-libs maybe?
[01:14] <snfgf> wouldn't that install too many?
[01:14] <snfgf> I specifically need libgcrypt11:i386
[01:15] <deadgrub> I recall that there is some special glue library that enables 32bit libraries on 64bit machines
[01:15] <deadgrub> I'm sorry I can't be more precise, but that might be what you need
[01:16] <octacian> What language do apps for Ubuntu use?
[01:16] <deadgrub> octacian: all the languages
[01:16] <snfgf> I think I have that. I have installed other 32 bit libraries successfully. But this one it can't find. I am using Debian btw.
[01:16] <snfgf> #debian won't let me speak
[01:16] <snfgf> :s
[01:16] <octacian> deadgrub: what's the most common?
[01:16] <SchrodingersScat> !debian
[01:17] <deadgrub> snfgf: ok, I don't know anything more, sorry
[01:17] <salamanderrake> deadgrub: Ancient Arimaic or Coptic
[01:17] <Bashing-om> irregular: What returns ' echo $DESKTOP_SESSION " " $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP ' ?
[01:17] <pitiye> guys i have java 9 installed and i get the following error
[01:17] <pitiye> Please ensure JAVA_HOME points to JDK rather than JRE.
[01:17] <deadgrub> octacian: that's not really answerable I'm afraid
[01:17] <pitiye> JDK Required: 'tools.jar' seems to be not in Studio classpath.
[01:17] <deadgrub> pitiye: did you install jdk?
[01:17] <pitiye> i dont see any tools.jar in the jdk
[01:17] <pitiye> deadgrub: yes
[01:18] <octacian> deadgrub: ok.. guess I'll research more about specific apps lol
[01:18] <deadgrub> salamanderrake: I resisted that urge.. you didn't :)
[01:18] <deadgrub> octacian: what is your goal?
[01:18] <pitiye> deadgrub: sudo apt-get install oracle-java9-installer
[01:18] <deadgrub> that's not the jdk I think
[01:18] <deadgrub> though I haven't installed java9
[01:18] <pitiye> deadgrub: i dont see any tools.jar in the jdk
[01:18] <platz> I would like to transparently "tunnel" a usb device (keyboard) through Ubuntu so that we have: [usb keyboard] -> [ubuntu box] -> [target box]. So, `[target box]` would think it's using `[usb keyboard]` directly. Is it possible?
[01:19] <deadgrub> normally I use openjdk-jdk
[01:19] <pitiye> do i have to switch to java 8 ?
[01:19] <deadgrub> platz: yes
[01:19] <orlock> platz: yeah
[01:19] <pitiye> deadgrub:  google does not recommend openjdk
[01:19] <orlock> platz: USB over IP
[01:19] <platz> yes, usbip - unfortnuately the target box is a windows box
[01:20] <orlock> platz: are you aware of the tool X2VNC?
[01:20] <deadgrub> platz: synaptic?
[01:20] <platz> which i can't seem to get working with usbip
[01:20] <deadgrub> I think is the name
[01:20] <SchrodingersScat> !synergy | platz
[01:20] <deadgrub> synergy.  that's it
[01:20] <platz> X2VNC? no, i will look into that
[01:20] <SchrodingersScat> !info synergy | platz , got it first
[01:20] <platz> synergy also sounds good, yes
[01:20] <orlock> platz: lets you control a windows machine running VNC from a linux system using the linux systems kb/mouse
[01:21] <orlock> so you just mouse across to the windows display
[01:21] <SchrodingersScat> platz: although note, they've since released a afaik not very freedom respecting version, and you may have to hunt for an older version.  Check though, because maybe I'm wrong and the world is nicer than I thought ;(
[01:21] <platz> I think i'll have to go the "over IP" route... but just for my own curiosotiy - is it not possible to "pipe" usb to an output port that is coming in ?
[01:21] <deadgrub> platz: it's difficult for a bunch of reasons
[01:21] <deadgrub> timing
[01:21] <octacian> deadgrub: at this point I'm planning some type of task manager that connects with a remote server.
[01:22] <deadgrub> drivers
[01:22] <platz> deadgrub: that makes sense, probably not possible then for that reason
[01:22] <deadgrub> in principle you could just forward the usb packets
[01:22] <deadgrub> but they are typically fairly timing dependent
[01:22] <orlock> platz: your problem seems to be with windows, rather than the concept
[01:22] <deadgrub> I expect a HUD (keyboard, mouse) would work fine though
[01:23] <platz> very interesting, yes its USB is pretty low-level
[01:23] <SchrodingersScat> that's always the problem, but we need answers
[01:23] <deadgrub> octacian: I'd pick an easy high level language, e.g. python
[01:23] <octacian> OK. What would the result look like? I like the look of programs such as xChat, Software Center, etc...
[01:24] <deadgrub> platz: and of course you need to be able to write such a tool on windows too - which means getting in below all the standard usb drivers
[01:24] <orlock> octacian: Theres many different gui widgets
[01:24] <django_> why doesnt this work
[01:24] <django_> export PATH=$PATH ~/bin/google_appengine/
[01:24] <django_> bash: export: `/home/django/bin/google_appengine/': not a valid identifier
[01:24] <octacian> ok. Well, I'll look into it.
[01:24] <deadgrub> $PATH:~/...
[01:24] <orlock> octacian: those can usually be accessed via many different languages
[01:24] <SchrodingersScat> django_: thought it needed ; between them, so you're adding a space there.
[01:24] <django_> https://cloud.google.com/appengine/downloads#Google_App_Engine_SDK_for_Python
[01:24] <orlock> python is nice as it lets you make reasonably consistent cross-platform apps
[01:24] <django_> says: export PATH=$PATH:/path/to/google_appengine/
[01:25] <platz> deadgrub: you're saying just forwarding the usb packets wouldn't cause the win box to register the usb device correctly?
[01:25] <orlock> with things like PyGame and WxWidgets
[01:25] <SchrodingersScat> django_: ok, : then
[01:25] <deadgrub> platz: I think it would be hard to make work.
[01:25] <deadgrub> just experience talking though, I've never done anything serious on windows
[01:25] <platz> ok!  it certainly agrees with the lack of information on attempting such a thing that i've tried to find..  i think the options over IP will have to do
[01:26]  * SchrodingersScat whispers, no one has
[01:26] <deadgrub> platz: if your heart is set on it, I'd work on getting linux-linux usbip working first
[01:26] <deadgrub> platz: what is your goal?
[01:26] <orlock> Or look at a different way to solve your problem
[01:26] <pitiye> deadgrub: i just installed jdk 8 and now it works
[01:26] <platz> linux-linux usbip i've been able to get working already, yes
[01:26] <orlock> like using an estabilshed protocol
[01:26] <deadgrub> people have pointed out off the shelf tools for virtual kvm
[01:26] <pitiye> deadgrub: looks like jdk 9 is not compatible with android studio
[01:27] <orlock> platz: you want to control windows from linux keyboard and mouse? use vnc
[01:27] <deadgrub> platz: so the obvious remaining reasons might be: you want to do it to learn; you want to forward some specialised usb device
[01:28] <deadgrub> the first is good, but I suggest difficult and there are better things to learn; the second is probably better done with a sniffer cable
[01:28] <deadgrub> pitiye: I haven't use java9, sorry.
[01:28] <platz> orlock: the primary issue is desire to use keyborad that on certain version of windows will not recognize due to crappy intel drivers that cannot be replaced apparently
[01:29] <platz> so i thought I'd use another box to host the keyboard
[01:29] <deadgrub> but I dont know that android uses java9 on the device, and who cares about security implications for the desktop environment
[01:29] <orlock> wtf
[01:29] <orlock> keyboard.. drivers?
[01:29] <platz> intel usb driver
[01:29] <deadgrub> platz: consider buying a kvm
[01:29] <pitiye> deadgrub: np
[01:30] <orlock> platz: so the motherboard USB drivers are screwy?
[01:30] <platz> deadgrub: that is definitely something i will look into, thank you!
[01:31] <platz> orlock: apparently it's tied to the OS version - the newest version of windows doesn't have the issue, but i cannot upgrade it in that environment
[01:31] <platz> lol, i just want to use my kinesis advantage
[01:32] <platz> they've documented the issue on their website - it's basically a 'wont fix' because i guess it's not their problem
[01:32] <platz> but i'll look into kvm
[01:32] <platz> or worst case use synergy
[01:33] <deadgrub> platz, you've reminded me that I should also look into a kvm, given I have a stack of machines...
[01:34] <orlock> I've never had good luck with them
[01:34] <orlock> always failed or been flaky/unreliable
[01:34] <orlock> hopefully better these days though
[01:37] <platz> deadgrub: sysadmin?
[01:37] <daemonhelp>  quick question, .. if two users execute the same program, are the memory requirements doubled?  from what i think i know, it doesnt require double the memory, because the process would get swapped?
[01:37] <platz>  /itpro
[01:41] <Kirito> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal#How_to_create_upsidedown_and.2For_reverse_text_with_your_terminal lol, does this really need to be included in the wiki?
[01:45] <sarkis> hey guys whats the difference between pinning in /etc/apt/preferences.d and holding a package where it shows up as hi in dpkg
[01:45] <tatertots> well guys my motherboard died in one of my ubuntu boxes, had an important file on it too, going to transplant the hard drive into another system and see if i can get my darn file
[01:47] <deadgrub> platz: ?
[01:50] <ipeh> looking
[01:51] <platz> nvm, usually folks with stacks of machines tend to be sysadmin/itpro type of folks
[01:51] <deadgrub> oic.  no, not sysadmin
[01:51] <platz> wel s/usually/sometimes
[01:51] <platz> ah cool
[01:52] <platz> i could use more more machines myself
[01:52] <platz> can always have more of a good thing
[01:57] <minimec> sarkis: Imagine apt-pin as an old way of ppa. You are able to use a different repository for a set of packages, as long that this repository is lister in the sources.list. You can apt-pin the package and its dependencies to that custom repository and even set some priorities for the packages.
[02:00] <reisio> minimec: pin can also be used to stick to older versions, right?
[02:01] <minimec> reisio: Yes
[02:02] <reisio> okay, whew
[02:02] <reisio> schema intact
[02:09] <deadgrub> nacc: Ok, I have learnt a lot of valuable lessons with this experience
[02:09] <ljf> 0.0
[02:09] <ljf> hello
[02:09] <deadgrub> one of which is: boot-repair is easier than trying to fix it yourself
[02:10] <deadgrub> I managed to get the machine to boot now
[02:10] <deadgrub> thanks for all your helps
[02:12] <minimec> sarkis: reisio: MY feeling is, that apt-pinned packages will even survice a release-upgrade, while packages on 'hold' might be upgraded to the new release. So I would prefer apt-pin, if the package is 'crucial'...
[02:26] <weaksauce> does ubuntu server have any firewall rules preconfigured at all?
[02:28] <OerHeks> weaksauce, no rules standard, https://help.ubuntu.com/14.04/serverguide/firewall.html
[02:30] <weaksauce> thanks OerHeks must be that I need to have the isp add the server to the arp cache or stop filtering then.
[02:30] <weaksauce> i can connect via ssh from here to another server on the work network but this new server is not working
[02:30] <weaksauce> remotely
[02:33] <OerHeks> sudo ufw app list
[02:34] <OerHeks> sudo ufw allow in "OpenSSH"  /or something like that
[02:52] <orlock> Is there a standard way of joining an Ubuntu 16.04 system to an AD domain?
[03:01] <weaksauce> OerHeks i did iptable -L and it was basically all accepts
[03:03] <ozzie-111> Hello! This is the channel for getting help with Ubuntu, correct?
[03:04] <weaksauce> ozzie-111 indeed
[03:05] <ozzie-111> Great. I think I might've broke my Bluetooth trying to get it to connect to my phone. Would anyone be willing to help me out?
[03:06] <HowieDIY> ozzie-111: can you define broke a bit more?
[03:08] <ozzie-111> Well, my phone couldn't see my laptop, and vice versa, and both were on and visible. SO I ran a couple of commands, which turned out to be for 14.04 instead of 16.04, and now the Bluetooth icon isn't showing in my taskbar, and when I go into my BLuetooth settings, when I turn it on, absolutely nothing happens.
[03:08] <HowieDIY> ozzie-111: have you tried a reboot on the computer yet?
[03:09] <francium> Quick question, what is the latest 32bit version?  I tried the 16.04 and it told me i needed a 64 bit machine
[03:09] <ozzie-111> Yes and no. I ran three commands, then rebooted, then tried reversing the commands, but I haven't rebooted yet lol
[03:10] <ozzie-111> Think I should try rebooting again right quick?
[03:10] <HowieDIY> ozzie-111: worht a quick shot to start off with
[03:10] <ozzie-111> Aiight. I'll be back to update either way
[03:11] <asdffff> say it
[03:11] <CodeMouse92> Is there a way to get GCC 5.4 on Ubuntu 14.04?
[03:11] <tatertots> 1
[03:12] <ozzie-111> I'm back, and unfortunately, it didn't work
[03:13] <HowieDIY> ozzie-111: which version of ubuntu are you running?
[03:13] <ozzie-111> 16.04 lts
[03:14] <HowieDIY> Unity/Gnome/KDE? Lubuntu?
[03:14] <OerHeks> CodeMouse92, even yakety is not on 5.4 yet http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gcc
[03:14] <Guest50778> test
[03:14] <HowieDIY> Guest50778: works
[03:14] <CodeMouse92> OerHeks: There is a PPA that gets ubuntu 16.04 up to 5.4
[03:14] <CodeMouse92> I'm using it now
[03:14] <CodeMouse92> I just need to find SOME way to get it into Ubuntu 14.04
[03:15] <CodeMouse92> (The Trusty variant of that PPA only gets to 5.3)
[03:15] <ozzie-111> Honestly, I'm not quite sure... Kinda newish to Linux
[03:15] <Guest50778> Yes, I want to learn to use this. I must register my user name and password nick
[03:15] <Guest50778> ¿Alguien en español?
[03:16] <CodeMouse92> !es Guest50778
[03:16] <YankDownUnder> Guest50778: If you read through the process at "freenode.net" - you will find out how to easily register your username/password and get everything sorted out. Si? Si. Verdad.
[03:17] <ozzie-111> It's the desktop version from ubuntu.com
[03:17] <ax562> sup YankDownUnder
[03:17] <YankDownUnder> ax562: Another beautiful day, mate.
[03:17] <ax562> I concur
[03:18] <HowieDIY> ozzie-111: unfortunately, I'm not really familiar with that version.. I'm not of much help here for you
[03:18] <ozzie-111> Alright, thank you for your time!
[03:18] <HowieDIY> ozzie-111: sorry.. :(
[03:18] <YankDownUnder> ozzie-111: "desktop version" of, er, what exactly? If you don't mind my asking...
[03:19] <ozzie-111> Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[03:19] <ax562> YankDownUnder is your nick a double entendre on purpose lol
[03:19] <ax562> :p
[03:19] <ozzie-111> I think I broke my Bluetooth trying to get it working
[03:19] <YankDownUnder> ozzie-111: So it's the straight-outta-the-box Ubuntu, using Unity as the desktop, yersh?
[03:19] <YankDownUnder> ax562: yes it is...
[03:20] <ax562> hahahah
[03:20] <ozzie-111> Straight out of the box, yes. Not sure about Unity, but I haven't done too much to it yet
[03:20] <ozzie-111> I'm rather new to using Linux
[03:20] <ax562> YankDownUnder you good with android?
[03:20] <YankDownUnder> ozzie-111: Right oh...so you're up and running - well, relatively running...so what's happening? What's the issues you're having, mate?
[03:21] <YankDownUnder> ax562: On phones, yes...on a PC? Er...not yet...not until RemixOS is up and running properly.
[03:22] <ozzie-111> Well, I was trying to sync my phone (Android, I think it's 4.4.4) to my laptop. Neither was detecting each other, and both were on and visible. So I looked online, and tried a possible solution. It didn;t work, though. So I rebooted and it still didn;t work. SO I tried reversing what I did, that didn't work. Then I rebooted, and here I am
[03:22] <ax562> yeah on phones
[03:24] <YankDownUnder> ozzie-111: Right oh...so the phone is not seeing the laptop? When you connect, does the phone recognise that it's plugged into anything at all?
[03:24] <ax562> I was wondering if you understand the partition layouts a little better than me, specfically I was wondering if it was possible to partition the internal sd card.
[03:25] <ozzie-111> YankDownUnder: Sorry, I think I forgot to say, I was trying to connect them via Bluetooth.
[03:25] <YankDownUnder> ax562: In most instances, phone makers/tablet makers - kinda don't follow a "norm"...
[03:25] <OerHeks> ozzie-111, did you install mtpfs  and mtp-tools ?
[03:25] <YankDownUnder> ozzie-111: AH, well, that helps.
[03:25] <ax562> hmmm
[03:25] <YankDownUnder> ozzie-111: Read above
[03:25] <ax562> did you try bluetooth manager ozzie-111
[03:26] <ozzie-111> I don't think I installed those
[03:27] <OerHeks> and mayby the tools do not trigger 'sudo mtp-detect ' so try that too
[03:27] <ozzie-111> And I went into the bluetooth settings, but not any manager
[03:27] <OerHeks> oh bt ..
[03:28] <YankDownUnder> ozzie-111: Just in case you've not read this, bookmark it - or read it at your leisure: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/ubuntu-help/bluetooth-connect-device.html
[03:28] <ax562> the vicodens are kicking in...woe...
[03:29] <ozzie-111> Hey, I apologize, but I'll brb. I gotta find my kid's bottle
[03:30] <YankDownUnder> When my children were small enough, I'd have them in the office with me...gosh...good times that...
[03:30] <OerHeks> find your own bottle.
[03:31] <ax562> lol
[03:31] <ax562> I take it your an Aussie YankDownUnder?
[03:32] <YankDownUnder> ax562: "Fake Australian"
[03:32] <Bashing-om> OerHeks: Mighty selfish of ya ^ .. Good whiskey is meant to be shared .
[03:32] <ax562> ^this
[03:33] <ax562> do you know who Bogut is on the Golden State Warriors?  He is Aussie..real Aussie :p
[03:33] <ax562> Andrew Bogut
[03:33] <YankDownUnder> I don't do sports. In any sense. None whatsoever.
[03:34] <ax562> nm then
[03:37] <Kirito> jesus, Guake only has about a hundred different pre-configured color schemes
[03:37] <Kirito> why can't gnome-terminal be the same? >_>
[03:38] <Kirito> 100 is not even an exaggeration, I think there are more
[03:43] <ozzie-111> I'm back, sorry about that. And that link you sent, I already read that before doing anything else
[03:51] <theskillwithin> hmm so I have AMD ubuntu installed but I have a intel processor?
[03:52] <tatertots> theskillwithin no worries AMD in the file name just means it's 64bit
[03:53] <theskillwithin> ahhhh
[03:53] <energizer> I've made a change in /sys/kernel/... and I'd like to keep track of the changes. What would be a typical directory/file for me to make note of this change?
[03:54] <theskillwithin> iv been a bit nurvous cuz I installed it on a mac pro desktop, and the hardware prob isnt very familiar.  Everything seems to work but the headphone jack only activates when u pluginto the speaker out as well haha
[03:54] <theskillwithin> whats the off topic chan for this?
[03:55] <Bashing-om> energizer: Well, I always comment in the file why and when I made the change ,,, and as well I do maintain a change_log of any and all changes I make to the system .
[03:55] <theskillwithin> poopybutthole, I swear iv seen your nick in cs:go
[03:55] <energizer> Bashing-om: where do you keep change_log?
[03:55] <poopybutthole> probably have
[03:56] <theskillwithin> do you run it in ubuntu?  iv experience performance problems with cs:go on ubuntu whereas works good in osx
[03:56] <Bashing-om> energizer: Well .. that is a file you make up and can keep it anywhere you find handy . ( and as well keep that file also backed up ) .
[03:57] <energizer> ok. i'm inferring there isn't a standard path for this sort of thing
[03:57] <energizer> Bashing-om: ^
[03:57] <Bashing-om> energizer: Correct, It is something you learn to do and adpat to your use case .
[03:58] <n0ob> hi guys, how do i enable directory listing in homestead?
[04:00] <Bashing-om> energizer: Mine " sysop@1404mini:~$ find /home -name chglog >> /home/sysop/less-used/chglog/home/sysop/less-used/chglog : .
[04:05] <kumarshubham> hey guys is it possible that after deletion of useraccount, his/her cronjob will continue to execute?
[04:06] <kumarshubham> what i think, it should not
[04:07] <socratesve> Test
[04:07] <YankDownUnder> kumarshubham: If the "cron" job was specific for a user, it would be deleted. However, if that user installed a system wide cron job, well, obviously, it will still run, hmm...
[04:08] <n0ob> how do i enable directory listing in vagrant homestead?
[04:12] <kumarshubham> YankDownUnder how i am gona find , from where its running?
[04:13] <YankDownUnder> kumarshubham: Look through all of the cron jobs - if anything is pointing to the "dead user", well, that answers that question, doesn't it?
[04:15] <YankDownUnder> kumarshubham: Check this out: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto
[04:34] <mohsen-rashidi> hi. i need a package called 'rest' for compiling something but seems there is no package by that name in ubuntu repo. is there alternative?
[04:35] <xangua> !find rest
[04:36] <mohsen-rashidi> ubottu, i`m gonna try librest.
[04:36] <ahrc333ff> Another quick way to find it is apt-cache search rest
[04:37] <mohsen-rashidi> :))
[04:37] <tgm4883> ahrc333ff: FWIW, I believe that is all ubottu does there
[04:38] <mohsen-rashidi> ahrc333ff, tried that. returned a long list with no precise outcome!
[04:38] <ahrc333ff> tgm4883: interesting. the link at the end would have led me to think there is some webapi
[04:39] <ahrc333ff> mohsen-rashidi: do you know anything about rest? sometimes it helps to pipe the output into less, or a file, and scrollt hrough
[04:39] <ahrc333ff> e.g. apt-cache search rest | less
[04:40] <mohsen-rashidi> E: Unable to locate package librest
[04:40] <mohsen-rashidi> what`s going on here?!!
[04:41] <ahrc333ff> mohsen-rashidi: you have ot use the full name
[04:41] <ahrc333ff> librest-0.7-0
[04:42] <tgm4883> ahrc333ff: nah, that is a pretty generic link.   http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-bots/ubuntu-bots/devel/view/head:/PackageInfo/packages.py#L93
[04:42] <mohsen-rashidi> ahrc333ff, your right my friend. seems apt is not that intelligent! but the output says it`s already been installed!
[04:43] <mohsen-rashidi> compiling is way painful...
[04:43] <ahrc333ff> mohsen-rashidi: I'm guessing that one will do it for you. If that doesn't work I'd also install the librest-dev
[04:44] <ahrc333ff> tgm4883: oh, cool! thx for the info
[04:44] <tgm4883> ahrc333ff: np, wondered about it myself one day so I tracked it down
[04:45] <mohsen-rashidi> ahrc333ff, Thank you very much sir. that fixed it.
[04:45] <ahrc333ff> mohsen-rashidi: glad to hear it!
[04:46] <ahrc333ff> hopefully itwill compile now :) lol
[04:47] <mohsen-rashidi> ahrc333ff, i hope so :)
[04:48] <theskillwithin> anyone know why ~/.composer/vendor/bin does not exist for me?
[04:50] <tgm4883> theskillwithin: you might want to start with explaining what that is
[04:50] <Bashing-om> theskillwithin: Why would it " sysop@1404mini:~$ ls -al ~/.composer/vendor/bin >> ls: cannot access /home/sysop/.composer/vendor/bin: No such file or directory " ?
[04:50] <theskillwithin> the instructions for installing this (Scroll to bottom) http://www.magestead.com/
[04:51] <theskillwithin> apparent'y I am supposed to have a new cli command `magestead new`   and to do that it instructs me to add that to my path, but that doesn't even exit haha
[04:51] <theskillwithin> hmmm that is odd.
[04:52] <theskillwithin> OHHHHH  READING WORKS "Make sure to place the ~/.composer/vendor/bin directory (or the equivalent directory for your OS) "
[04:52] <theskillwithin> or equivalent directory for your os<----
[04:52] <ninjapold> Hey guys, quick strange question. Upgraded to 16.04 the other day and there's a tiny "notification" tab in the bottom left, what is it and how do I disable it?
[04:53] <tgm4883> ninjapold: running unity?
[04:56] <paranoidabhi> hi guys.
[04:56] <theskillwithin> hmm https://getcomposer.org/doc/04-schema.md#bin  nothing saying where this composer bin file coorisponds on linux
[04:56] <SocratesVe> Hello!
[04:58] <paranoidabhi> I wanted to install theano on my computer(Ubuntu 16.04, GeForce 940M). The tutorial mentions two options 1. NVIDIA Jetson TX1 embedded platform 2. Ubuntu 16.04 with cuda 7.5
[04:58] <paranoidabhi> Which one should I follow? Link http://deeplearning.net/software/theano/install_ubuntu.html#install-ubuntu
[04:58] <SocratesVe> How do I confirm my password irssi? Now I have the email but do not know where to place the command.
[04:58] <ahrc333ff> SocratesVe: The instructions are usually in the email...
[04:59] <SocratesVe> Yes, it is a friend, but in what area I irssi place? How do I know if confirmed?
[05:00] <theskillwithin> hmm its not in /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin eaither
[05:00] <SocratesVe> Yes, it is, but in what area I irssi place? How do I know if confirmed?
[05:04] <snkcld> why am i seeing upstart --user in 16.04? isnt 16.04 using systemd?
[05:07] <ninjapold> tgm4883, no, Gnome
[05:11] <leftist> anyone having issues with wifi when you come out of sleep?
[05:11] <leftist> secondly anyone having issues connecting to some wifi routers?
[05:11] <Prasad> Hello
[05:12] <Prasad> looks like this is a log of something
[05:13] <Prasad> whats the topic here?
[05:13] <leftist> no topic
[05:13] <Prasad> ok
[05:13] <leftist> there is a bug with wifi and sleep mode 16.04 ltw
[05:14] <leftist> lts
[05:14] <Prasad> there is bug in NetworkManager applet where it shows device not managed
[05:15] <leftist> yeah prasad
[05:15] <leftist> exactly
[05:15] <Prasad> yeah
[05:15] <Prasad> also
[05:16] <Prasad> I am unable to connect usb dongle as it is detected as CD-ROM most of the time
[05:16] <Prasad> in 16.04
[05:16] <leftist> but i have  difficulty or the inability to connect to one of the isp routers here. i can to one of the other isp's here but one is impossible.
[05:16] <leftist> i'm using a touchscreen but i think i will just sell this thing. it's a pain
[05:17] <Prasad> or wait for fix from ubuntu
[05:17] <leftist> when the power supply is connected, the arrow jets all over the screen out of control
[05:17] <leftist> strange prasad
[05:18] <Prasad> 14.04 is quite stable than 16.04
[05:18] <theskillwithin> I forgot whats that screencast recorder on ubuntu
[05:18] <leftist> heck man 10.10 was my favorite
[05:19] <Prasad> I love Ubuntu but bug makes me sad :(
[05:19] <Prasad> every new version has new issues
[05:19] <leftist> any linux beats windows hands down
[05:20] <leftist> you can always put osx on you machine you know.
[05:20] <Prasad> yeah but i like opensource os
[05:20] <leftist> yeah
[05:20] <Prasad> and ubuntu is currently on top
[05:21] <leftist> yeah definately maybe
[05:21] <Prasad> why other ppl are not talking
[05:21] <justsomeguy> I uninstalled gnome and unity. Now both NetworkManager and lightdm are missing. Consequently, systemd hangs while trying to start them. ...am I screwed?
[05:22] <leftist> probably part of that bug. what version jussomeguy
[05:22] <justsomeguy> leftist: 16.04 LTS.
[05:22] <leftist> prasad probably in rio
[05:22] <leftist> partying
[05:22] <leftist> yeah probably part of that bug
[05:23] <leftist> sudo service network-manager restart
[05:23] <leftist> try that
[05:23] <justsomeguy> leftist: Ok. I'll have to reinstall it first, but I'm sure I can find some .debs on launchpad for that.
[05:23] <lucas-arg> how do we select fastest mirror form command line or from wherever?
[05:23] <leftist> i think i will install centos desktop tomorrow just to see what is up with it these days.
[05:24] <leftist> ok justsomeguy
[05:24] <justsomeguy> leftist: Do you have a link to the bugreport I could look at?
[05:24] <leftist> jsut a sec
[05:25] <Guest47775> i wo
[05:27] <leftist> i lost it. my history is gone as well. i did a search and found out about the bug
[05:27] <leftist> sorry about that.
[05:27] <Guest47775> iwant to update to 16.04ubuntu studio
[05:27] <leftist> i've a problem with this laptop
[05:27] <justsomeguy> leftist: No worries. Thanks for looking. :)
[05:27] <leftist> no problem
[05:28] <leftist> touchscreen is a real  pain in my opinion
[05:28] <leftist> pretty useless
[05:29] <justsomeguy> They're really good fingerprint collectors. ...that's about it.
[05:29] <ec> Hi, y'all. Old-school occasional Slackware and Arch user, currently using Ubuntu as a VM for the first time.
[05:29] <ec> Where the hell is `man`? How can I install it?
[05:29] <ec> :P
[05:31] <OerHeks> !info manpages-dev
[05:32] <justsomeguy> It should be as simple as 'apt-get install man', or 'apt-cache search man' in case 'man' isn't a valid package name. Are you using a really striped down configuration? Usually it's already installed.
[05:34] <wyseguy> hi guys
[05:34] <qvik> hi
[05:35] <wyseguy> i have a dell e7240 and they ship them with ubuntu but its Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS 64-bit... i am running 16.04 now and most things seem fine, but one big drawback is that it heats up quick and the fan never seems to go below 30%
[05:35] <wyseguy> could this be due to upgrading? never tried Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS 64-bit on it
[05:36] <Bashing-om> !minimal | justsomeguy Install the DE that you desire
[05:36] <wyseguy> i also installed tlp and tlp-rdw and i have ran "top" and nothing is chewing up the cpu
[05:38] <vince_> I messed up and did a ddrescue --force ./ubuntuiso.iso /dev/receiving_ssd
[05:39] <ubuntu-10> hiii
[05:39] <vince_> I was able to delete the partitions created by basically making the SSD the installation medium... but there is one problem left
[05:39] <vince_> I now have an icon in the device listing that has the name of the installation ISO but is not a real device, how do I get rid of this?
[05:40] <vince_> or do I have to do a clean install in order to correct my mistake, and if so... shouldn't deleting the partition with cfdisk remove the label of the disk that I am seeing in Ubuntu?
[05:41] <justsomeguy>  Bashing-om: Well, the real issue is that I need to fix my current install, which currently has no network access, and won't boot normally. The desktop environment isn't a big deal. Thanks for the link, regardless. Seems interesting. I'm just going to chroot in from a live disk and fix the broken packages that way.
[05:44] <ali_> hi
[05:44] <Bashing-om> justsomeguy: That works too .. but as you removed the DE(s) you are in for a long hard row to hoe .
[05:45] <justsomeguy> Bashing-om: True.
[05:48] <kab24> лфи24
[05:52] <snkcld> can i build an ubuntu package without committing changes? when i attempt to build, it complains that there are uncommitted changes
[05:55] <Bray90820> I'm getting a message saying "The volume boot has only 4.9MB of disk space left" and Idk why or really how to clean it up
[05:57] <Bray90820> I suspect it's old kernels but I'm not sure
[05:58] <Bashing-om> Bray90820: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1357093 ?? try ' sudo apt-get autoremove ' .
[05:59] <bayman> when i adduser newuser, the /home/newuser wasn't created, why?
[05:59] <Bray90820> Bashing-om: What will sudo apt-get sudo remove do?
[06:00] <Bashing-om> Bray90820: If you have the operational overhead, And the package manager is in a consistent state, will remove also old kernels .
[06:01] <Bray90820> Thanks
[06:02] <Bray90820> is 94MB used in boot normal
[06:02] <Bashing-om> Bray90820: 'df -h ' might tell the tale that it is the root partition at capacity .
[06:02] <bayman> how to create /home/newuser when adding a new user using adduser
[06:02] <Bashing-om> Bray90820: O would ecpect much more than 94MB to be used .
[06:03] <Bashing-om> expect*
[06:03] <Bray90820> Oh wait never mind I was looking at the size of the partition now how much was free don't listen to me
[06:04] <Bray90820> 104MB is used
[06:06] <Bray90820> Bashing-om: Is that  normal or what
[06:08] <Bashing-om> Bray90820: stoll quite small .. mune with 3 kernels : 74860   boot74860   boot .. in megabytes .
[06:09] <Bashing-om> mine*
[06:09] <Bray90820> Is there an issue you think?
[06:10] <Bashing-om> Bray90820: The systen says so .. to see where ; ' df -h ' and cd / ' sudo du -sx * | sort -n ' .
[06:11] <Bray90820> There was an issue but then I did auto remove now there is 64MB available there was only 4.9 free before
[06:12] <Bashing-om> Bray90820: Well. approximately 120Mb per kernel installed .
[06:12] <sacarlson2> bayman: that is strange as it should have auto created the /home/newuser
[06:14] <Bray90820> Well so you think everything is fine right now or do you think I should do something else or what
[06:15] <Bray90820> Bashing-om:
[06:16] <Bashing-om> bayman: perhaps ' useradd ' would have been better as with 'adduser' one has to supply the arguments to create . see: man useradd .
[06:17] <Bashing-om> Bray90820: I have not seen your numbers .. or where the disk space is comsumed .. no way for me to advise further yet .
[06:18] <Bray90820> Do you wanna see the output of "df -h"?
[06:19] <sacarlson2> Bray90820: maybe ls -l /boot  better
[06:19] <Bray90820> Bashing-om: http://pastebin.com/raw/zBn0twyQ
[06:20] <Bray90820> Bashing-om: That was after doing auto remove
[06:20] <Bashing-om> Bray90820: That would be a good indication .., as well as what the du command relates . ( change directory to / so we get a reading .. will take a bit and ignore du: cannot access ‘proc/........ ) .
[06:20] <Bray90820> So what does that mean to me?
[06:22] <Bashing-om> Bray90820: Good so far " 180M  104M   64M  62% /boot " now what kernels are installed ' dpkg -l | grep linux- ' ?
[06:23] <Bray90820> Bashing-om: http://pastebin.com/raw/Mm14ftXi
[06:26] <Bashing-om> Bray90820: Yeah .. did good .. but you have a small /boot partition. One can gain a bit more space with ' dpkg --list |grep "^rc" | cut -d " " -f 3 | xargs sudo dpkg --purge ' . and remove those packages marked 'rc' .. where that is the package is removed but config files remain .
[06:27] <Bray90820> So if I run the command it will remove those packages
[06:27] <Bray90820> dpkg --list |grep "^rc" | cut -d " " -f 3 | xargs sudo dpkg --purge
[06:29] <Bashing-om> Bray90820: Uh Huh .. will do so .. any and all packaages that the package manager has marked 'rc' will be removed .. see in your output there are several so marked .
[06:30] <Bray90820> Yea I see that
[06:30] <Bray90820> So does it look good now?
[06:30] <Bray90820> http://pastebin.com/raw/F8yJqvRs
[06:30] <totes> Anyone know if its possible to plug a vga into a server and into a laptop to c its display?
[06:31] <Bray90820> totes: Is it a gui?
[06:31] <totes> Bray90820: Right now it doesnt have anything on it.
[06:32] <Bray90820> So it's not command line only?
[06:32] <Bray90820> Does it have a desktop environment like unity or gnome or anything on it?
[06:33] <Bashing-om> Bray90820: Yepper, good .. you have the booting kernel and 1 back up / Now as you jnow you have a small boot partition . when a new kernel is installed .. once you know it is stable will have to "sudo apt-get autoremove" to keep that partition under control .
[06:33] <Bray90820> Bashing-om: Thanks
[06:34] <Bashing-om> Bray90820: My bit to try and help. Carry on smartly :)
[06:34] <Bray90820> :)
[06:35] <totes> Bray90820: I Havent tried booting it up cause its so loud and outputs so much heat, so i would imagine it looks like any other server that has nothing on it. It has one of those drac cards though that allows remote access so maybe im suppose to use ethernet. Getting a monitor and keyboard would be tougher.
[06:35] <Bray90820> I don't think I will be able to help you on this one until you know what is on it
[06:35] <EriC^^> totes: look into PXE boot, i think that's what you want
[06:35] <avis-> is it possible to use older ubuntu and pay someone who have the whole ubuntu for that repo version cloned ?
[06:36] <EriC^^> avis-: why don't you use a newer ubuntu?
[06:36] <avis-> i believe in a beauty
[06:37] <totes> EriC^^: ah, now that sounds familiar. Otherwise i think a KVM switch would do.
[06:37] <ikonia> why would you need to pay someone ?
[06:37] <ikonia> it's still in the old-releases repo (or will be moved there)
[06:38] <avis-> i assumed i'd have to pay because i'm always out of luck iconia
[06:39] <ikonia> avis-: ?
[06:39] <EriC^^> avis-: the old ubuntu might have security vulnerabilities
[06:39] <avis-> EriC^^, i accept.
[06:40] <unkown> sup guys
[06:41] <unkown> Quit
[06:41] <unkown> ls
[06:41] <unkown> cant we run commands here lol
[06:54] <four-dogs> Hey guys, what r u doing here
[06:55] <ikonia> it's a support channel for the ubuntu linux distribution
[06:55] <ikonia> checkout /topic
[06:57] <superkuh> Okay. I guess the update that Ubuntu was doing to it's us.archive.ubuntu.com repos yesterday was the completely removal of all archived lucid packages.
[06:57] <superkuh> That's pretty fucking shitty.
[06:58] <aasd> hi
[06:58] <aasd> looking for girl
[06:58] <sacarlson2> superkuh: time to upgrade?
[06:58] <aasd> is there anyone ?
[06:58] <aasd> kız yok mu kız
[06:58] <superkuh> sacarlson2, let's not get into it. It's personal preference. Most of my machines run modern ubuntu. this one never, ever will.
[06:59] <superkuh> I get not providing security updates anymore, etc.
[06:59] <superkuh> But removing the packages from the archives?
[06:59] <aasd> kız istiyom
[06:59] <aasd> kızzzz
[06:59] <aasd> kızzzzzz
[06:59] <sacarlson2> superkuh: hay I'm not an edge guy I run LTS 14.04
[06:59] <EriC^^> !ops | aasd
[06:59] <aasd> melikee
[06:59] <aasd> kız
[06:59] <avis-> it definitely does not benefit the community or those with low end hardware
[06:59] <four-dogs> Is that mean it allows any question about the Ubuntu be asked here even it looks like much asinine?
[06:59] <superkuh> As do I, on my new machines. But this isn't about upgrading.
[06:59] <ducasse> aasd: cut it out
[06:59] <aasd> hello
[06:59] <OerHeks> superkuh, use the old-release trick, don't complain that old repos go offline
[07:00] <aasd> ok
[07:00] <superkuh> OerHeks, old-release trick?
[07:00] <aasd> ip ni vr lan bana
[07:00] <superkuh> I'm definitely willing to try any solutions you can suggest.
[07:00] <ducasse> !eolupgrades | superkuh
[07:00] <ducasse> superkuh: read that
[07:00] <superkuh> ducasse, oh wow. Never heard that before.
[07:00] <sacarlson2> superkuh: I'm not sure but there was old archives some place before when I needed them
[07:00] <superkuh> :|
[07:01] <superkuh> It's not like I haven't tried to upgrade the OS on cloned drivers literally 7 times.
[07:01] <OerHeks> see the old-release edit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades#Upgrading
[07:01] <superkuh> Er, drives.
[07:01] <avis-> is the trick to send you to a web page that says please upgrade to a supported version.   that wasn't even fools gold
[07:01] <ducasse> superkuh: there are instructions on how to get old packages
[07:01] <superkuh> Oh. Well, er, thanks.
[07:01] <superkuh> Not used to getting actual help rather than people telling me to upgrade.
[07:01] <OerHeks> no further support, that machine should not be online
[07:02] <ducasse> superkuh: you still should :)
[07:02] <superkuh> Right. I keep all my userspace, x.org , etc up to date as much as I can myself.
[07:03] <avis-> superkuh, i assume a man of your taste using hardy heron
[07:04] <superkuh> lucid. Last of the gnome2.
[07:04] <avis-> i accept.
[07:04] <sacarlson2> superkuh: oh you might like mint  as I never liked the user interface of ubuntu ofter that
[07:04] <superkuh> You guys: I use modern Ubuntu with MATE on new machines.
[07:04] <avis-> i think lucid even nicer to me as a car ride than maverick
[07:05] <sacarlson2> superkuh: ya mate that's what mint runs
[07:05] <sacarlson2> and I also
[07:05] <superkuh> It's just this one with all it's custom compiled stuff, gtk1 libs, and random changes cannot possibly be upgrade.
[07:05] <superkuh> +d
[07:11] <superkuh> Excellent. That fixed my problem. Thanks guys.
[07:36] <trijntje_> Hi all, I got my system in an unusable state after upgrading to 16.04. I have no GUI at all, but I do have terminal and network access. How can I fix this?
[07:36] <hsdd> ha
[07:37] <OerHeks> trijntje, hold shift @ boot, choose recovery, login and run dpkg-reconfigure -a and update again
[07:39] <EriC^^> OerHeks: dpkg-reconfigure or dpkg --configure -a ?
[07:39] <MACscr> ok, so i have logrotate in my /etc/cron.daily/, yet it doesnt appear to be running. If i manually run the script, it works fine without issue. Where should i look at next to find out why its not running daily like it should?
[07:40] <OerHeks> EriC^^, good Q...
[07:40] <trijntje_> EriC^^, OerHeks dpkg --configure -a gives "Errors were encountered processing python-minimal"
[07:41] <EriC^^> trijntje_: try apt-get install --reinstall python-minimal
[07:41] <EriC^^> trijntje_: is it mounted rw?
[07:42] <trijntje_> EriC^^: yes. But I cant --reinstall since I have broken packages ;)
[07:43] <EriC^^> does it say why it won't install it though?
[07:43] <theyesman> install the package using gdebi-core
[07:43] <trijntje_> EriC^^: 8 broken packages. gstreamer1.0-clutter depends on libcogl15, but its not installable
[07:44] <trijntje_> EriC^^: python depends on python-minimal(=2.7.5-ubuntu3) but 2.7.11-1 is to be installed
[07:44] <trijntje_> and 6 more
[07:51] <trijntje_> After upgrading to 16.04 python depends on python-minimal (version 2.7.5-ubuntu3), but it wants to install 2.7.11. So it won't continue the upgrade and I'm stuck with a broken system. Any hints on how to solve this?
[07:51] <nschoe> Hi everyone, I'm having a weird problem: we have a custom apt repository, I have added the address in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/release.list, but then when I do apt-get update it fails with: http://lpaste.net/170515
[07:52] <voiter> i get this error message after an update: could not insert nvidia_340 required key not available
[07:52] <nschoe> To give a little context, I'm trying to build a Docker image, I have done that several times and in fact, I have just built other images with the same apt depository and they don't fail like this. Any clue what can go wrong?
[07:52] <voiter> i don't find anything useful in search engines.
[07:54] <ducasse> trijntje_: grab the python metapackage from packages.ubuntu.com and force the install with dpkg?
[07:56] <ducasse> voiter: switch off secure boot
[07:57] <ducasse> voiter: alternatively, create a key and sign the module. there are howtos online, but you will need to do it after every kernel upgrade.
[08:00] <cglocke> hey guys. any tips how to upgrade my ubuntu if the update-manager crashs due to a UnicodeDecodeError in python?
[08:02] <ducasse> cglocke: can you pastebin the full error?
[08:03] <cglocke> sec
[08:03] <voiter> ducasse, how do i disable secure boot?
[08:03] <ducasse> voiter: there should be a menu entry in the bios
[08:05] <cglocke> ducasse http://pastebin.com/FyQNpT9M
[08:07] <ducasse> cglocke: not sure, tbh. it could be a locale problem, which locale are you usibg?
[08:07] <cglocke> well.... I'm unsure. but it's a German locale
[08:08] <ducasse> cglocke: try 'sudo locale-gen'
[08:11] <voiter> ducasse, i can't disable secure boot but i changed from windows os to other os. that did the trick. thanks for the hint.
[08:12] <ducasse> voiter: that is disabling sb, some just label it differently :)
[08:12] <cglocke> ducasse some locales seem to be updated. but the decodeerror still occures
[08:16] <InvGhost> hello, any idea why my speaker is constantly hissing, doesnt matter if headphones is pluged in or not. Also headphones have sligh hissing sound ( it was lounder, but i fexed it by turing alsamixer loopbackm to off). I tired to blacklist drivers to find who is making hissing sound. It seems that it makes sda_intel_somethig, but it also no sound if it's turned off. UBuntu 16.04 pc - asusn550jx
[08:18] <voiter> ducasse, :P k
[08:18] <loneshoe> sounds like it could be just a poor source?
[08:18] <PrashanT> can anybody help me   i am getting this error
[08:18] <PrashanT> E: Malformed line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox.list (dist)
[08:18] <PrashanT> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[08:18] <PrashanT> whenever i am trying to sudo apt-get update in terminal
[08:20] <sacarlson2> PrashanT: what method did you use to add the repository?
[08:20] <k1l> PrashanT: please run in terminal: "grep ^ /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | nc termbin.com 9999" and show the output url here
[08:21] <sacarlson2> PrashanT: might try disable that repository and reinstall the later virtualbox repository
[08:23] <PrashanT> http://pastebin.com/RG9kD7Pn
[08:23] <PrashanT> this is the output
[08:24] <k1l> did you delete some output?
[08:25] <PrashanT> http://pastebin.com/z0Rg1Xvm
[08:25] <PrashanT> here  new one .. i guess i missed
[08:26] <k1l> PrashanT: its still missing all the ppas. please run the command i gave you. it will make sure not to miss any output
[08:27] <PrashanT> i had run the command properly ,i have copied the whole output
[08:28] <k1l> the outpu you showed is not matching the error you showed us
[08:29] <PrashanT> here it is
[08:29] <PrashanT> http://pastebin.com/x29WQRAW
[08:30] <k1l> PrashanT: ok. since you try to hide something and i dont know why: your ppa file from virtualbox got an issue. you need to fix that. what it is i cant tell you since you dont show it.
[08:32] <PrashanT> can u tell me another command to get the same output
[08:35] <PrashanT> i m not hiding anything
[08:38] <sacarlson2> PrashanT: maybe send back the command line you used to create the above as k1| command works for me
[08:39] <sacarlson2> maybe he can't see the ^
[08:39] <PrashanT> grep ^ /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:39] <sacarlson2> nope that is incorrect
[08:39] <sacarlson2> grep ^ /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
[08:40] <sacarlson2> in fact longer than that with the pipe
[08:41] <PrashanT> http://pastebin.com/LqUVnLTR
[08:41] <PrashanT> is that correct output now?
[08:42] <sacarlson2> PrashanT: much better
[08:42] <PrashanT> now what's the deal now
[08:43] <sacarlson2> not sure takes time to analize
[08:43] <gahan> what's the quickest way to get rid of systemd in xenial and replace it with upstart?
[08:44] <k1l> gahan: there might be a fallback with upstart in grub. i am not sure right now if that is still there with 16.04
[08:45] <CrapCrapCrapCrap> Hello
[08:45] <CrapCrapCrapCrap> OH CRAP!
[08:45] <gahan> k1l: i'm using openstack to boot 16.04 images, would it still use grub? and I don't see upstart in menu.lst atm
[08:45] <CrapCrapCrapCrap> Its the crappy crap-crapper of crappy crappers with extra CRAP!!!!!!
[08:45] <k1l> gahan: its grub2 not grub1 anymore
[08:45] <CrapCrapCrapCrap> hey
[08:45] <CrapCrapCrapCrap> who kicked me?
[08:46] <CrapCrapCrapCrap> was it the crap monster?
[08:47] <PrashanT> is there any solution ?
[08:48] <k1l> gahan: upstart-sysv  should be the package that reinstalls upstart
[08:48] <k1l> gahan: but i would test that in a dev enviroment first.
[08:49] <PrashanT> ?
[08:49] <sacarlson2> PrashanT: sorry humans here we are slow
[08:49] <sacarlson2> PrashanT: not computers
[08:50] <sacarlson2> PrashanT: my line does not match yours:  mine:  /etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian trusty contrib
[08:50]  * YankDownUnder looks for humans...or semi-humans...
[08:51] <sacarlson2> PrashanT: as I asked you before how did you install this and I got no answer form you, it seems you did it manually or ??
[08:52] <PrashanT> yes manually
[08:53] <sacarlson2> PrashanT: well that's why it didn't work
[08:53] <PrashanT> then what
[08:53] <PrashanT> 's the solution
[08:53] <sacarlson2> PrashanT: make it match mine that is correct
[08:53] <sacarlson2> PrashanT: and again apt-get update
[08:54] <sacarlson2> PrashanT: remove the line below it with non-free
[08:54] <PrashanT> look i am new on linux...  how should i do that
[08:54] <sacarlson2> PrashanT: you said you did it manually so I assume you know how to use an editor
[08:54] <YankDownUnder> PrashanT: Open a terminal, and type: sudo apt-get update
[08:54] <PrashanT> vi
[08:55] <sacarlson2> PrashanT: what ever editor you like with sudo
[08:55] <PrashanT>  sudo -H gedit
[08:56] <sacarlson2> not sure what the -H does but I guess so
[08:57] <PrashanT> i m getting error Failed to register: Timeout was reached
[08:58] <PrashanT> while opening with editor
[08:58] <sacarlson2> PrashanT: is this a remote box?
[08:59] <sacarlson2> PrashanT: you sudo -H gedit ; works for me
[08:59] <PrashanT> what is remote box?
[08:59] <sacarlson2> like did you ssh into it?
[09:00] <sacarlson2> is it in your room
[09:00] <sacarlson2> or high up on some mountain top
[09:00] <PrashanT> u mean someone has access to my machine?
[09:00] <sacarlson2> ??
[09:01] <sacarlson2> that depends if you let them
[09:01] <PrashanT> i let my friend one time ... after that i don't know
[09:02] <sacarlson2> your not answering my question
[09:02] <sacarlson2> well anyway edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox.list  and fix it
[09:03] <sacarlson2> next customeer
[09:03] <PrashanT> now i have opened
[09:04] <PrashanT> what  i have to change?
[09:05] <sacarlson2> when compared with mine seems it's missing trusty in the line.
[09:05] <sacarlson2> as the line I pasted above shows
[09:07] <PrashanT> /etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian trusty contrib this one?
[09:07] <sacarlson2> yes
[09:10] <sacarlson2> PrashanT: and remove the line bellow it with non-free for now
[09:10] <sacarlson2> PrashanT: or comment it out
[09:11] <PrashanT> i am getting confused which line  should i delete and which to add
[09:11] <sacarlson2> PrashanT: just put a # in front of the line that has non-free in it
[09:12] <sacarlson2> PrashanT: as the # is the comment out this line symbol
[09:12] <PrashanT> after saving the file should i do sudo apt-get update?
[09:13] <sacarlson2> yes
[09:13] <sacarlson2> now show me the line that is left here:
[09:13] <sacarlson2> should be only one line not #
[09:13] <PrashanT> same error
[09:13] <PrashanT> i am getting
[09:14] <PrashanT> http://pastebin.com/DHeriSRS
[09:14] <PrashanT> i edited this
[09:17] <sacarlson2> PrashanT: what is the file name of that file?
[09:18] <PrashanT> sudo -H gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:18] <PrashanT> source.list
[09:19] <sacarlson2> sorry it seems yours is in a different location. so comment out what you just did
[09:19] <sacarlson2> PrashanT: or delete the line you added
[09:20] <sacarlson2> PrashanT: you path is here: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox.list
[09:20] <PrashanT> done
[09:20] <PrashanT> ok
[09:21] <PrashanT> then now?
[09:21] <sacarlson2> PrashanT: two options,  comment all the lines and see if the error goes away or comment the non-free line and make the same as mine
[09:22] <PrashanT> can u send me ur source.list file
[09:22] <sacarlson2> PrashanT: no
[09:22] <sacarlson2> PrashanT:  the path of your file is here /etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox.list
[09:23] <sacarlson2> edit that file
[09:23] <PrashanT> ok
[09:25] <PrashanT> should i comment non free lines too including the command u told me
[09:26] <sacarlson2> yes comment out the line with non-free in it
[09:26] <PrashanT> getting this error now
[09:26] <PrashanT> E: Type '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox.list:deb' is not known on line 74 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:26] <PrashanT> E: Malformed line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox.list (dist)
[09:26] <PrashanT> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[09:27] <sacarlson2> make the only active line: PrashanT is this due to the mod that id mad d into ind deb
[09:28] <PrashanT> what's dat mean
[09:28] <PrashanT> ?
[09:28] <sacarlson2> sorry was typeing already
[09:28] <sacarlson2> PrashanT:  what did you put in line one?
[09:29] <sacarlson2> I think due to the changes made from irc is corrupted
[09:29] <sacarlson2> paste bin the file
[09:30] <sacarlson2> on my screen deb becomes  a face
[09:30] <PrashanT> http://pastebin.com/5ZWqkZft
[09:30] <sacarlson2> there should be only 2 lines in that file
[09:31] <sacarlson2> path of this file?
[09:31] <PrashanT>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:32] <sacarlson2> no the file we are working on is :etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox.list
[09:32] <sacarlson2> and is the file that is causing the error
[09:32] <PrashanT> yes
[09:33] <sacarlson2> so lets see it paste it
[09:33] <sacarlson2> pastebin it
[09:33] <PrashanT> http://pastebin.com/5ZWqkZft
[09:33] <PrashanT> i did it
[09:33] <PrashanT> this is the link
[09:33] <PrashanT> above
[09:35] <sacarlson2> try look at your link and tell me that has only 2 lines
[09:36] <sacarlson2> and that link above is now this path: etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox.list
[09:36] <sacarlson2> look carefully at the path
[09:36] <c0ax> HI. I have problem with ubuntu internet connection on network. I cannot even ping anyhing. An hour ago everything worked. And when I do reboot when I try to ping 8.8.8.8 it says network unreachable
[09:37] <c0ax> Lol
[09:37] <c0ax> And now
[09:37] <c0ax> it works
[09:37] <c0ax> LOL
[09:37] <sacarlson2> good I fixed it without fixing it
[09:37] <PrashanT> so should i open this in editor etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox.list?
[09:37] <sacarlson2> no PASTEBIN that file to me
[09:37] <PrashanT> which one?
[09:38] <PrashanT> source.list?
[09:38] <sacarlson2> dude paste bin the file etc/apt/sources.list.d/virtualbox.list to me
[09:39] <sacarlson2> if it contains what I see in that file then some how it got mest up
[09:39] <PrashanT> it's empty
[09:39] <sacarlson2> empty?
[09:39] <PrashanT> yes
[09:39] <PrashanT> i am getting warning
[09:39] <PrashanT> too
[09:39] <sacarlson2> did you remove something from it?
[09:39] <PrashanT> no
[09:40] <PrashanT> http://pastebin.com/ggBkLUEK
[09:40] <PrashanT> here is the warning
[09:41] <sacarlson2> but from what was seen in the report you sent us we see this in it: http://pastebin.com/LqUVnLTR
[09:42] <sacarlson2> how are you determining that it is empty?
[09:43] <PrashanT> i got messed up
[09:43] <PrashanT> i don't understand anything
[09:44] <sacarlson2> I'm not sure try another editor vi if you can
[09:45] <sacarlson2> and that link showed you again editing the wrong file
[09:45] <PrashanT> it is better i should shift to windows
[09:45] <sacarlson2> if your better at windows be my guest
[09:46] <sacarlson2> but not to edit this file
[09:50] <NuZe> hi
[09:51] <NuZe> I have a pb with installation of Ubuntu in my Mac (OS X 10,9.5)
[09:52] <NuZe> I waited several hours then this message appears in the box :
[09:52] <Ubuntu> sup
[09:52] <NuZe> "perf interrupt took too long"
[09:53] <NuZe> do you know what happened ?
[09:53] <YankDownUnder> NuZe: Have you installed all the third party drivers required - and also have you done an update?
[09:54] <minimec> NuZe: http://askubuntu.com/questions/621490/what-does-perf-interupt-mean https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=187636
[09:55] <NuZe> I think I downloaded Ubuntu, used unetbootin and start installation
[09:55] <NuZe> and my computer has the performance to do the installation properly
[09:55] <NuZe> so i dont understand
[09:56] <YankDownUnder> NuZe: Read the link that minimec gave you
[09:56] <NuZe> thanks for the link, i'm checking
[09:58] <NuZe> all right i've read but what then ?
[09:59] <NuZe> do i have to wait more ?
[09:59] <minimec> YankDownUnder: NuZe: Also an interesting post... http://serverfault.com/questions/714648/how-to-disable-perf-subsystem-in-linux-kernel
[09:59] <ducasse> cglocke: you still there? had to step afk.
[09:59] <YankDownUnder> NuZe: Read that one. I'm not the one with the issue...
[10:00] <NuZe> ok i'm reading
[10:03] <minimec> NuZe: (comment2) cit. 'The kernel automatically determines a sample rate that could be used without impacting system performance and it logs it even when perf isn't active or even installed'
[10:03] <NuZe> right but my installation take a long long long moment
[10:03] <NuZe> (more than 10 hours)
[10:03] <NuZe> is it really normal ?
[10:04] <sacarlson2> I don't think so
[10:04] <minimec> NuZe: No.
[10:04] <NuZe> and here is my configuration :
[10:05] <NuZe> Proc : 3,06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
[10:05] <NuZe> Memory : 8 Go 1067 MHz DDR3
[10:05] <NuZe> it is enough to install ubuntu right ?
[10:06] <sacarlson2> with min 10gb disk space I guess
[10:06] <trijntje_> ducasse: getting the python matepackage is a good idea, I'll give it a go. Sorry for slow response, I missed your reaction
[10:07] <sacarlson2> NuZe: I haven't done a unetbootin install in a long time.  that's where you boot from ethernet and install?
[10:08] <ducasse> trijntje_: i _think_ that would help, but something else might also be b0rked... i could also be wrong ;)
[10:08] <NuZe> @sacarlson2 yes I partitioned my hard drive, the part reserved for Ubuntu to 90GB of memory.
[10:08] <sacarlson2> NuZe: more than enuf
[10:09] <NuZe> @Sacarlson yes exactly
[10:09] <sacarlson2> NuZe: has it worked before on other systems?
[10:19] <trijntje_> After upgrading to 16.04 python depends on python-minimal (version 2.7.5-ubuntu3), but it wants to install 2.7.11. So it won't continue the upgrade and I'm stuck with a broken system. Any hints on how to solve this?
[10:19] <NetworkFreak> cocks
[10:19] <NetworkFreak> pussies
[10:19] <trijntje_> it must be nice to have so much free time
[10:19] <hina> :P
[10:19] <haasn> Is Ubuntu planning on porting more of the /etc/init.d scripts to systemd .service files? I noticed many services are run through the init.d<->systemd bridge even where the upstream projects already contain systemd unit files
[10:26] <gahan> k1l: thanks. it seems like `sudo apt-get purge --auto-remove systemd` will remove systemd and install upstart-sysv. am I likely to encounter problems? I looked at grub.cfg and it there isn't an option for upstart
[10:28] <Jack078> Hi
[10:29] <iamkiran> Hello world!
[10:30] <iamkiran> I got a problem while start mysql in ubuntu. Here is the snippet: http://paste.ubuntu.com/20021863/
[10:30] <iamkiran> Anyone free to help.Thnx in advance
[10:32] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: looks like you forgot your password
[10:32] <anonymos> helllo world us ubuntu
[10:32] <iamkiran> i am entering correct password
[10:32] <iamkiran> sacarison2: i am entering root password
[10:33] <sla3k> password is being used (using password: YES) but it is incorrect! maybe it's not for the user 'root'
[10:33] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: root password of the system is not the same as root password of mysql
[10:34] <anonymos> hello i hacking password unbuntu windows 7
[10:34] <anonymos> password linux root pass"toor"/
[10:35] <iamkiran> sacarison2: mysql password is same as my root password
[10:35] <YankDownUnder> anonymos: Is there a problem you require assistance with?
[10:35] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: that my or my not be true depending on how you set it
[10:36] <Si> hi
[10:36] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: have you ever logged in on this mysql system before?
[10:37] <iamkiran> sacarison2: Nope, I got this error after intalling it.
[10:37] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: ok
[10:37] <YankDownUnder> iamkiran: So you've just installed it - and that's that? Nothing more nothing less?
[10:38] <iamkiran> yup I install it and then this error when try to logged in?
[10:39] <YankDownUnder> iamkiran: Here's something to quickly read: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-install-mysql-on-ubuntu-linux-16-04/
[10:39] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: I think the default root password for mysql is no password at all or blank
[10:40] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: oh ya when you install it, it asks you what you want the password to be but if you just push ok the password is blank
[10:41] <iamkiran> sacarison2: How can I change no password or blank?
[10:41] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: you first login with root and no password and then change it
[10:42] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: other option is to uninstall it and install it again and this time be sure to remember what you set the password to be
[10:42] <YankDownUnder> iamkiran: $ mysql -u root -p
[10:42] <sacarlson2> ya like that
[10:43] <YankDownUnder> iamkiran: Here's some GUI tools... http://www.ubuntugeek.com/mysql-server-administration-tools.html
[10:44] <iamkiran> http://paste.ubuntu.com/20022873/   when trying to login using no password
[10:44] <iamkiran> sacarison2: I have tried uninstall and again installing it multiple times.
[10:44] <iamkiran> But does not work?
[10:45] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: then you do remember what you put in those boxes at install time?
[10:46] <iamkiran> Ya, I remember it? It's the same password?
[10:46] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: and install went without error?
[10:47] <iamkiran> sacarison2: I got no error while installing?
[10:47] <iamkiran> I want to remove mysql completely from my computer and then re-install it?
[10:47] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: yes the username and password should match and you sure you used root as your username?
[10:47] <iamkiran> But every time it uses cached version.
[10:48] <mikatone> Hi need some help on how to flush ufw rules on a rescue mode VPS that outputs strange behavior after chroot the filesystem and ufw disable https://gist.github.com/anonymous/725af5cd0a70cb6b8c96d0cb856c7847
[10:48] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: do apt-get purge mysql
[10:48] <sacarlson2> it should get rid of the original passwords
[10:50] <iamkiran> sacarison2: I am getting error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/20023286/
[10:50] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: sorry what is the package you installed
[10:50] <sacarlson2> do it to that
[10:52] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: I'm guessing  mysql-server  mysql-common
[10:52] <sacarlson2> purge those
[10:52] <iamkiran> ya mysql-server
[10:53] <sacarlson2> yes that too
[10:53] <sacarlson2> purge it
[10:53] <Terrrrr> Hey, my password works to sign in to my xubuntu account, it also works to unlock my account if i lock it. However, the password doesnt work in terminal.... any ideaa?
[10:54] <iamkiran> sacarison2: I have done: apt-get purge mysql-*
[10:54] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: not wise to use *
[10:54] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: it can cause major damage as we learned yestarday
[10:55] <iamkiran> sacarison2: I think this should remove everything related to everything.
[10:55] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: true but sometimes removes more than you know
[10:55] <Mir4g3> Terrrrr: did you tried do login with the right mysql pass? Like "mysql -u root -p" and then type your password for mysql root user?
[10:55] <Terrrrr> Ill try
[10:56] <Terrrrr> I was just doing sudo apt-get update and obv it asked for pass
[10:56] <Terrrrr> Restarted computer a few times, same thing
[10:56] <iamkiran> sacarison2: After, do I have to run apt-get autoremove
[10:56] <sacarlson2> ok
[10:57] <Terrrrr> Ots a fresh install, cant even get mysql because apt-get requires password
[10:57] <Terrrrr> Yet pass works to login,to comp account
[11:00] <Terrrrr> Is my keyboard layout possobly screwed?
[11:00] <sacarlson2> Terrrrr: caps lock maybe?
[11:01] <Terrrrr> Nope this is weird
[11:01] <Terrrrr> Im even copyong and pasting it from notepad
[11:03] <Terrrrr> Is that eeven possible
[11:05] <Terrrrr> Fresh installed. Logged in. Successfully ran "sudo ufw enable" with pass in terminal. Updated through Software Updator. Restarted computer, pass only works for logging into user accout. Pass does not work in terminal nor Software app. Pass basically only works to sign in, but nothing else while signed in.
[11:05] <Tone> hi
[11:06] <Terrrrr> Probably tenth linux install, first problem like this
[11:07] <anonymos> hello
[11:07] <mendji> hello
[11:07] <YankDownUnder> Terrrrr: Bluetooth/wireless keyboard and mouse?
[11:08] <Terrrrr> Both wired
[11:08] <Terrrrr> Possibly keyboard layoiut?
[11:08] <YankDownUnder> Terrrrr: Right oh. Just wondering. Because that is all very strange.
[11:08] <Terrrrr> Yeah im stumped
[11:08] <iamkiran> sacarison2: I have to reinstall mysql after that? But I think it will use cached version while installing?
[11:08] <YankDownUnder> Terrrrr: That I'm not sure of - however, if you go into the control centre and double check, well, then you'll know, hmm?
[11:09] <Terrrrr> Hmmmm
[11:10] <trijntje_> After upgrading to 16.04 python depends on python-minimal (version 2.7.5-ubuntu3), but it wants to install 2.7.11. So it won't continue the upgrade and I'm stuck with a broken system. Any hints on how to solve this?
[11:11] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: I think reinstalling will install cached version.
[11:12] <Terrrrr> YankDownUnder can you twll me your keyboard layout. Sertings, Keyboard, Layout
[11:12] <YankDownUnder> Terrrrr: Mine is US
[11:12] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: after purge it should require asking for the passwords again I would think
[11:13] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: I assume you used apt-get purge
[11:13] <iamkiran> sacalson2: Ya , I used apt-get purge
[11:14] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: so did you try install it now?
[11:14] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: It removed mysql.
[11:14] <sacarlson2> well now install it
[11:14] <minimec> trijntje_: Can you try to refresh the repository datase again? 'sudo apt-get update'...
[11:15] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: I am running 'apt-get upgrade'. Then, I will start installing.
[11:15] <sacarlson2> oh bad move in my opinion
[11:16] <sacarlson2> probly will take 10 hours
[11:17] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: I guess so,
[11:17] <iamkiran> my bad
[11:18] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: and if you didn't already notice 95% of the people in here are here after upgrade problems
[11:18] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: I run 'apt install mysql-server mysql-client'
[11:19] <iamkiran> n is downloading
[11:19] <Terrrrr> Yankdownunder maybe something to do with terminal encoding? Kinda a noob
[11:19] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: It didn't asked to enter password or something
[11:20] <Terrrrr> Looking at terminal tab
[11:20] <yossarianuk> hi - this database breach - is it the login for https://login.ubuntu.com/ that has been hacked ?
[11:20] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: dam well hack it then.  there are ways to change the root password in mysql
[11:20] <sacarlson2> I'll find the link
[11:21] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: And same problem, as before
[11:21] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: thnx man
[11:23] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: mysqladmin password your-new-root-password
[11:23] <yossarianuk> i.e - the forum that was hacked - should I change the login.ubuntu.com SSO login ?
[11:23] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: not sure we have to install that mysqladmin or not
[11:23] <sacarlson2> opps wait that won't work
[11:24] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: I tried it before.
[11:24] <trijntje_> minimec: It does look for xenial, but running sudo apt-get upgrade after gives the same dependency error
[11:24] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: ok what did it do?
[11:25] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: sounds like it should work mysqladmin -u root password your-new-root-password
[11:26] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: seems the app is already installed on my system
[11:26] <minimec> trijntje_: Yeah. It seems that your 'python' package is still on trusty. I would try 'sudo apt-get install -reinstall python'. Next step would be to remove the python package from /var/cache/apt/archives.
[11:28] <minimec> trijntje_: it's '--reinstall' not '-reninstall'. That should force the redownload of the package i think.
[11:28] <iamkiran1> sacarlson2: I am getting this error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/20025925/
[11:28] <Terrrrr> Sorry know i said this, gonna try one more time
[11:29] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: oh it seems mysql server is not running
[11:29] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: so we will have to restart it
[11:30] <trijntje_> minimec: I've remove the entire cache, and I still get the same error
[11:30] <Terrrrr> I just freshly installed and updated Xubuntu. I can log in log out, lock and unlock my account no problem with my password. BUT my password doesnt work for anything while logged in. Doesnt work for terminal nor the software center. But again, i can log in and out fine.
[11:30] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: and you are on ubuntu version?
[11:30] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: ok I am restart it
[11:30] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: I am using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[11:30] <sacarlson2> ok
[11:30] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: I think they changed restart at this point
[11:31] <minimec> trijntje_: Hmm... Can I see your sources.list? 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit'
[11:32] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: I used sudo service mysql restart. But then run mysqladmin but nothing happen.
[11:33] <trijntje_> minimec: I dont have pastebinit on that system. But it has sources for xenial and points to archive.ubuntu.com. It was pointing to a local mirror but I just changed that
[11:33] <trijntje_> local mirror = for my country, not something on my LAN
[11:34] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: and restart showed no errors?
[11:34] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: no any error and no any output too
[11:34] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: that's because they now use systemctl
[11:35] <sacarlson2> in 16.04
[11:35] <sacarlson2> I think
[11:35] <minimec> trijntje_: 'dpkg -s python'? Did you put the python package on 'hold' in 14.04? What if we just downloaded 'python 2.7.11-1' and 'dpkg -i' it (just to make that update work)? It's not a 'good' solution but might work.
[11:36] <oezsoy> hi im bored
[11:36] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: might this work?  sudo systemctl enable mysql.service
[11:36] <oezsoy> anybody try lubuntu
[11:36] <oezsoy> ?
[11:36] <sacarlson2> oezsoy: yes fine product
[11:37] <oezsoy> im using xubuntu xfce
[11:37] <oezsoy> whichone faster
[11:37] <oezsoy> ?
[11:37] <its100best> I love gnome 3.20
[11:38] <oezsoy> xubuntu or lubuntu can anyone help me?
[11:38] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: I run that command and it says *Synchronizing state of mysql.service with SysV init with /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install...
[11:38] <iamkiran> Executing /lib/systemd/systemd-sysv-install enable mysql
[11:38] <iamkiran> *
[11:38] <laserbeak4445> there both lightweight DE so there should not be a huge difference.
[11:39] <oezsoy> thnks laserbeak
[11:39] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: ok try login now or try sudo netstat -pant | grep mysql
[11:39] <laserbeak4445> but Lubuntu is the lightest
[11:39] <oezsoy> more than faster
[11:39] <oezsoy> right?
[11:40] <oezsoy> last question
[11:40] <oezsoy> why firefox so bad?
[11:40] <oezsoy> in linux
[11:40] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: sudo netstat -pant | grep mysql
[11:40] <iamkiran> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:3306          0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      5524/mysqld
[11:40] <trijntje_> minimec: dpkg -s shows python 2.7.5-ubuntu3
[11:40] <rory> Begs the question really. You should be more specific oezsoy
[11:41] <minimec> trijntje_: I remember something now. With 16.04 you should be able to install local packages with 'apt'. It will trigger the dependencies from the repo. So downloading and installing the xenial package should work.
[11:41] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: cool then it is now running so can you now login?
[11:41] <oezsoy> firefox too slow
[11:41] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: or I should say change password
[11:42] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: Can we change password using mysqladmin
[11:42] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: this should now work: mysqladmin password your-new-root-password
[11:42] <sacarlson2> yes
[11:42] <trijntje_> minimec: manually installing python with dpkg -i gives a similar error, python pre-depends on python-minimal
[11:43] <yossarianuk> laserbeak4445: bodhi is even more lightweight (and still a full desktop - unlike say openbox)
[11:43] <minimec> trijntje_: so 'sudo apt install python_2.7.11-1_amd64.deb' in the folder where you downloaded the package should work.
[11:43] <yossarianuk> oezsoy: its not bas in Linux, its bad in unity - fine in KDE for example
[11:43] <yossarianuk> *bad*
[11:43] <oezsoy> i have some problems  ihave ati hd 8250 graphic driver why ubuntu 16.04 cant support catalysis ?
[11:43] <its100best> oezsoy, try '(Web) epiphany' I use it on Arch.
[11:44] <oezsoy> thnx its100best
[11:45] <oezsoy> i will try
[11:45] <oezsoy> i can install ati drivers on ubuntu 14.04
[11:46] <oezsoy> but icant install ubuntu 16.04
[11:46] <trijntje_> minimec: sudo apt install also doesn't work, same dependency problem for ubuntu-minimal
[11:46] <trijntje_> *python-minimal
[11:47] <oezsoy> can anyone install ati graphic driver on ubuntu 16.04?
[11:47] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: I am getting the same error: mysqladmin -u root password 1234@Ktm
[11:47] <iamkiran> mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
[11:47] <iamkiran> error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'
[11:49] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: take the @ out of your password
[11:50] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: and this mysql server is local or remote?
[11:51] <minimec> trijntje_: Wow... Hmmm.. ppa as are disabled during upgrade. So you should not have an activated ppa that blocks something, right? You don't have any packages on 'hold', right? Try 'sudo apt install --reinstall python-minimal python'. Somehow out of ideas...
[11:51] <HoloIRCUser2> Bhagwaan kaise mileage?
[11:51] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: mysql server is local
[11:51] <test_> hi can anyone help me with wifite
[11:51] <oezsoy> aranızda türk varmı hacılar
[11:51] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: ok
[11:51] <HoloIRCUser2> *milenge
[11:52] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: and what happens without @ like mysqladmin -u rood password 1234
[11:53] <HoloIRCUser2> Kisi ko Pta h?
[11:53] <test_> hi plz im new and trying to get wifite to work
[11:53] <minimec> trijntje_: maybe ad python2.7 to that --reinstall command...
[11:53] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: mysqladmin -u root password 1234Ktm
[11:53] <iamkiran> mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
[11:53] <iamkiran> error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'
[11:53] <iamkiran> same error
[11:54] <test_> is anyone there ?
[11:55] <rory> hi test_ can you describe what you're trying to do and what's not working?
[11:55] <HoloIRCUser2> Bhagwaan kaise milenge?
[11:55] <HoloIRCUser2> Kisi.
[11:55] <HoloIRCUser2> Kisi ko Pta h?
[11:55] <test_> hi rory i can get wifite to run it scans the network and capturs the handshace then says no wps dic file found
[11:56] <rory> HoloIRCUser2: try #ubuntu-in
[11:56] <rory> test_: That sounds like it's expecting you to provide a wordlist file for dictionary attack.
[11:56] <trijntje_> minimec: still no, I'm afraid. Maybe I should do a fresh install, I was hoping it just a matter of getting the right apt command
[11:57] <test_> yes ive got thr rock you test
[11:57] <test_> text
[11:57] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: we are still running now : sudo netstat -pant | grep mysql  ;   I think we are
[11:57] <rory> What is the exact error message test_ ?
[11:57] <mcphail> iamkiran: is that even the correct syntax for the mysql command? I haven't used it in years, but that wouldn't have worked when I last tried
[11:58] <test_> rory  no WPA dictionary found! use -dict <file> command-line argument
[11:58] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: I ran it.
[11:58] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: at this point you might try #mysql  as I'm out of idea why that won't work.  thing seemed to have changed in 16.04 that I have not seen
[11:58] <mcphail> iamkiran: for example, you'd need "--password=password" or "-ppassword"
[11:58] <rory> test_: Did you try specifying -dict /path/to/rockyou.txt ?
[11:58] <test_> no how would i do that
[11:59] <test_> its in my download folder
[11:59] <rory> test_: What full command are you running please
[11:59] <iamkiran> mcphail: what's the full command?
[11:59] <rory> test_: -dic ~/Downloads/rockyou.txt
[11:59] <test_> rory i run wifite as root do the scan and capture the handshake
[11:59] <rory> test_: as an extra argument to what you're already running
[11:59] <minimec> trijntje_: It should be like that. I would give it another chance here in the #room. By the way. I think pastebinit is now installed per default. I don't remember having it installed on the 16.04 installation and I have it. I would be interested in the error messages you get and the sources.list. Also you should have a new downloaded python and python 2.7 package in /var/cahe/apt. What versions are these?
[11:59] <rory> test_: then it's -dic /home/your_username/Downloads/rockyou.txt
[12:00] <mcphail> iamkiran: try "mysql -u root --password=yourpassword"
[12:00] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: ok, I entereing in root mode.
[12:00] <test_> command not found
[12:00] <rory> test_: often, as in this case, the error message tells you exactly what to do, I can't really give any more precise instructions than what's already there
[12:00] <test_> ok thank you very much rory
[12:00] <minimec> trijntje_: We could also try to locally download the new version of 'python-minimal'
[12:01] <rory> test_: What is the full command you're running please? Tat will include "wifite.py"
[12:01] <mcphail> iamkiran: "man mysql" is _very_clear about the syntax
[12:01] <sacarlson2> mcphail: it seems to me that mysqladmin won't even connect to his localhost,  I'm not sure why
[12:01] <iamkiran> mcphail: mysql -u root --password=yourpassword is login command
[12:02] <test_> i open termian type sudo -i to root then just type wifite and it opens
[12:02] <rory> OK so instead of just typing "wifite"
[12:02] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: oh so now you login ok?
[12:02] <mcphail> iamkiran: aah - you're using mysqladmin?
[12:02] <rory> you need to type "wifite -dict /home/your_username/Downloads/rockyou.txt"
[12:02] <rory> or wherever rockyou.txt actually is
[12:02] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: nope, not logged int
[12:02] <iamkiran> in
[12:03] <trijntje_> minimec: I've aready tried getting the latest python and python-minimal debs using wget, those dont install either :(. Ill trypastebinit soon, after its done running apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:03] <iamkiran> mcphail: I want mysqladmin to change password of mysql.
[12:03] <mcphail> iamkiran: how did you install mysqladmin?
[12:03] <sacarlson2> mcphail yes were trying to reset iamkiran's  password for root with mysqladmin,
[12:04] <iamkiran> mcphail: I think , mysqladmin is already installed.
[12:04] <rory> It's not really for me to say, but frankly if you can't figure it out you probably don't deserve to get onto whatever wireless network you're trying to get into :D
[12:04] <sacarlson2> mcphail: oh it might be from his old install before upgread for this mysqladmin
[12:04] <rory> I have to work now afk
[12:06] <sacarlson2> mcphail: as far as I can tell iamkiran's mysql server is running as we see the port active in netstat
[12:06] <mcphail> iamkiran: and does your password have special characters?
[12:07] <sacarlson2> mcphail: it seems he had an @ in his password
[12:07] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: mysql server is running but don't have any idea why not login
[12:07] <iamkiran> mcphail: ya , password contain special character
[12:08] <mcphail> iamkiran: does mysqladmin --user=root password "my password with funny ch@racter$" work?
[12:09] <tatertots> good morning everyone
[12:10] <iamkiran> mcphail: mysqladmin --user=root password "1234@Ktm"
[12:10] <iamkiran> mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
[12:10] <iamkiran> error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'
[12:10] <iamkiran> It didn't work for me.
[12:10] <Guest68185> sorry rory when i open wifite internet gopes off
[12:10] <trijntje_> minimec: no pastebinit, maybebecause this was a 14.04 install. /var/cache/apt/archives has python 2.7.11-1
[12:11] <minimec> trijntje_: Ok. did dist-upgrade do something?
[12:11] <mcphail> iamkiran: and if you try with a password, ie. mysqladmin --user=root --password=existingpaswword password "jkhkhJK"?
[12:13] <Guest68185> any one plz help me with wifite
[12:13] <minimec> trijntje_: I found a forum thread treating a 16.04 python-minimal upgrade problem but with a different error. maybe still worth a read https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2321861
[12:13] <iamkiran> mcphail: mysqladmin --user=root password="1234@Ktm" password "1234Ktm"
[12:13] <iamkiran> mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
[12:13] <iamkiran> error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)'
[12:13] <iamkiran> mcphai: I am getting this error.
[12:14] <draco__> what is mysqladmin ? it shuould be mysql -u root -p
[12:14] <tatertots> Guest68185 do you plan to change anything so when you run wifite your 'internet' doesn't go off?
[12:14] <draco__> and don't time your pass in command!
[12:14] <draco__> use -p and give it latter
[12:14] <draco__> using pass in command saves it in logs
[12:14] <minimec> trijntje_: What if we just purged python and then 'sudo apt install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop' or 'dpkg-reconfigure ubuntu-desktop'? Still better than a fresh installation.
[12:15] <mcphail> iamkiran: no, that isn't what I asked you to type
[12:15] <tatertots> or are you going to leave things the way they are ?
[12:15] <Guest68185> tatertots i dont know how to do that i can run wifite get the handshake but no wpa dic file
[12:15] <HerbY_NL2> Hello, I have a new installation of ubuntu gnome 16.04. When I press alt left or alt right my session is locked and I find myself on tty1. Google doesn't have the answer. Anyone here?
[12:16] <iamkiran> mcphail: mysqladmin --user=root --password="1234@Ktm" password "1234Ktm"
[12:16] <iamkiran> mysqladmin: [Warning] Using a password on the command line interface can be insecure.
[12:16] <iamkiran> mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
[12:16] <iamkiran> error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)'
[12:16] <mcphail> iamkiran: ha! progress ;)
[12:17] <mcphail> iamkiran: you may have mixed up your old and new passwords
[12:17] <iamkiran> mcphail: ya, now getting 3 line error
[12:17] <Guest68185> no WPA dictionary found! use -dict <file> command-line argument   with wifite >?
[12:17] <iamkiran> mcphail: I try to completely uninstall mysql. I purge it.
[12:18] <tatertots> Guest68185 have you had very much networking experience?
[12:18] <mcphail> iamkiran: what is your existing password? is it 1234@Ktm or 1234Ktm?
[12:18] <Guest68185> tatertots no im new to ubuntu
[12:18] <iamkiran> mcphail: 1234@Ktm is the actual password
[12:19] <tatertots> Guest68185 have you had very much networking experience?...Being new to ubuntu isn't what i asked...i know ccnp's that have never used ubuntu
[12:20] <Guest68185> no networkin experiance no
[12:20] <mcphail> iamkiran: OK, try mysqadmin --user=root -p password "mynewpassword"
[12:20] <mcphail> *mysqladmin
[12:22] <tatertots> ah i see
[12:22] <iamkiran> mcphail: Nope, it didn't work.
[12:22] <Guest68185> tatertots anty sduggestion
[12:22] <iamkiran> mcphail: mysqladmin --user=root -p password "1234@Ktm"
[12:22] <iamkiran> Enter password:
[12:22] <iamkiran> mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed
[12:22] <iamkiran> error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)'
[12:22] <mcphail> iamkiran: did you get a prompt for a password?
[12:23] <iamkiran> mcphail: ya, i got prompt for password
[12:23] <trijntje_> minimec: I cant purge anything either, dependency problems
[12:24] <mcphail> iamkiran: and you're sure you have the correct password for root?
[12:24] <tatertots> you mentioned losing connectivity when you ran a particular command...could you take a guess at why that happened? i'm going to refill my coffee while you think about that for a second
[12:24] <iamkiran> mcphail: ya, i entered correct password
[12:25] <mcphail> iamkiran: and "mysql -u root --password=yourpassword" allows you to log in?
[12:26] <Guest68185> tatertos when i run wifite my wifi icon disapers and i have to restar my computer to get it on again
[12:26] <computer1> people anyone knows how to use xmgrace? how can i draw a scatter plot?
[12:27] <iamkiran> mcphail: mysql -u root --password='1234@Ktm'
[12:27] <iamkiran> mysql: [Warning] Using a password on the command line interface can be insecure.
[12:27] <iamkiran> ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
[12:28] <minimec> trijntje_: Hmmm... You need some help from a 'master' here on #ubuntu. I think it's worth to investigate, because 'upgrade leading to a broken package system' is heavy. I mean it's the nightmare situation...
[12:29] <trijntje_> minimec: So far, I've only had a 33% success rate with upgrading14.04 to 16.04 :)
[12:29] <mcphail> iamkiran: ok, you're going to have to check the logs or your config. My guess is you've either set up the wrong password or you've configureed mysql in such a way as to deny logins
[12:30] <roman> hi}
[12:30] <iamkiran> mcphail: ok, I really appreaciate your help. Thnx
[12:30] <tatertots> i'm back
[12:31] <tatertots> Guest do you have a particular guide you are following?
[12:32] <minimec> trijntje_: Yeah... I hear bad about 16.04 upgrades. I did a fresh install and did not touch any 14.04 installations for upgrade unitl now.
[12:32] <Guest68185> https://www.blackmoreops.com/2014/03/27/cracking-wpa-wpa2-with-hashcat-kali-linux/2/
[12:33] <minimec> @all we need some help by a 'package system master'. We have 14.04-16.04 upgrade situation where python is still on the 14.04 trusty version and breaks the package system. trijntje_ and me would be happy to get a hint.
[12:33] <computer1> people anyone knows how to use xmgrace? how can i draw a scatter plot?
[12:33] <mcphail> iamkiran: you can try resetting the root password, if you wish
[12:33] <trijntje_> minimec: this time ligthdm crashed during the upgrade, I think thats why the upgrade halted half way and why it is in such a weird state
[12:33] <trijntje_> minimec: more people should do iso image testing
[12:34] <iamkiran> mcphail: I will try to reset password.
[12:34] <minimec> trijntje_: more people should do 'do-release-upgrade' testing...
[12:34] <mcphail> iamkiran: you need to shut down the mysql daemon then run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-whateveryourversionnumbermaybe"
[12:35] <acovrig> I have a fresh install of 16.04 server and get nothing on the display on boot unless I remove $vt_handoff from grub on boot, what is a good permanent solution for this? /etc/grub.d/10_linux?
[12:38] <computer1> people anyone knows how to use xmgrace? how can i draw a scatter plot?
[12:39] <iamkiran> mcphail: I recofigure, but after then when I try to login, it denied.
[12:40] <Guest57443> hi, i'm trying to upgrade from ubuntu 14.04 to 16.04. if in the software updater i select 'notify for any new version' i get a suggestion to upgrade to 15.10, if i select 'LTS only' no option is proposed.
[12:41] <Guest57443> is there a way to upgrade directly to 16.04 ?
[12:41] <k1l> !ltsupgrade | Guest57443
[12:41] <Myrtti> Guest57443: wait a few more days, profit.
[12:41] <Guest57443> thanks
[12:41] <k1l> your only chance is to use the developer upgrade path if you want it now.
[12:41] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: I think I found what was missing to recover root password here: https://www.howtoforge.com/setting-changing-resetting-mysql-root-passwords
[12:41] <mcphail> iamkiran: well, you're getting well beyond my knowledge (or memory...) I'm afraid. I'd guess something is wrong in your configuration, but I don't know how to proceed from here. Rememebr to check the mysql logs under /var/log, where you may get a hint. I think you're going to have to ask in a mysql channel
[12:41] <Guest68185> thank you tatertots il keep looking and trying
[12:42] <mcphail> iamkiran: what was the exact command you entered for dpkg-reconfigure, by the way?
[12:43] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: it requires shutting down mysql server then bringing up in safe mode with: mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables,  I haven't tested it but sounds it should work see link for details
[12:43] <iamkiran> mcphail: sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server
[12:43] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: that might also work
[12:44] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: and maybe an easier solution that what I just sent you
[12:44] <iamkiran> sacarkson2: I tried before, It no password column availble.
[12:44] <mcphail> iamkiran: no, you need mysql-server-numericalversionnumber to work
[12:45] <mcphail> iamkiran: type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-" then press "tab" to see the options
[12:46] <sacarlson2> mcphail: oh tab that might be what iamkiran was missing
[12:46] <mcphail> iamkiran: if you select the correct thing, you will get a prompt to set up a password
[12:47] <iamkiran> mcphail: sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.7
[12:47] <iamkiran> AppArmor parser error for /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.mysqld in /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.mysqld at line 9: Could not open 'abstractions/mysql'
[12:47] <iamkiran> Checking if update is needed.
[12:47] <iamkiran> This installation of MySQL is already upgraded to 5.7.12, use --force if you still need to run mysql_upgrade
[12:47] <computer1> people anyone knows how to use xmgrace? how can i draw a scatter plot?
[12:48] <iamkiran> mcphail: But still seems no working
[12:49] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: so did you say you already tried this: mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables  with precursor of the above link?
[12:49] <k1l> computer1: i guess the project got a howto or other documentation on their website
[12:50] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: that is suposed to bring up mysql with no password for root
[12:50] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: ya, I already tried that one.
[12:50] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: ya but the problem come when setting new password for root user.
[12:51] <sacarlson2> iamkiran: but at that time your using wird caricters
[12:51] <mcphail> iamkiran: this time, I am completely out of ideas ;)
[12:51] <computer1> k1l: i cannot find it, and i cannot find anything related to a scatter plot. been at it for 2 hours
[12:52] <iamkiran> mcphail: ok, no problem.
[12:52] <k1l> computer1: http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/Grace/doc/UsersGuide.html
[12:52] <sacarlson2> mcphail: what do you think of the mysqld_safe --skip-grant-tables  idea?
[12:52] <ioria> !info grace
[12:52] <iamkiran> mcphail: I really appreaciate your help.
[12:52] <sacarlson2> mcphail: at this point he can't even login as root
[12:52] <mcphail> sacarlson2: I'm afraid I don't knwo anything about that
[12:52] <mcphail> sacarlson2: the dpkg-reconfigure thing always let me change root password in the past
[12:53] <sacarlson2> nor do I just read the google link
[12:53] <mcphail> iamkiran: good luck
[12:53] <iamkiran> mcphail: thnx
[12:53] <mcphail> sacarlson2: I'm always reticent to recommend anything I haven't tried myself
[12:53] <computer1> k1l: i don't get it, they wrote scatter or line plot, are they assuming it is the same thing?
[12:53] <sacarlson2> mcphail: oh ok ya I think it's always worked for me too.  maybe a change in 16.04
[12:53] <b3h3m0th> what is the procedure for installing docker on ubuntu 16.04 Server
[12:53] <b3h3m0th> ?
[12:54] <sacarlson2> mcphail: ya and in this case It would require I bring down my site just to test it and I don't want to do that
[12:54] <k1l> computer1: its just how the data is printed into the plot.
[12:55] <iamkiran> sacarlson2: Thnx man, i really appreciate your help. I have to go now.
[12:55] <computer1> k1l: i have a data set that i want to plot as just dots, no lines
[12:55] <computer1> k1l: like this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Scatter_diagram_for_quality_characteristic_XXX.svg/250px-Scatter_diagram_for_quality_characteristic_XXX.svg.png
[12:57] <Jack078> Hi
[12:57] <ducasse> trijntje_: still no luck? sorry, i've been afk.
[12:58] <trijntje_> ducasse: no luck. And I dont think I've ever even installed something from outside the repo on this system
[12:59] <ducasse> trijntje_: can you pastebin the output from a dist-upgrade for example? i'd like a closer look.
[13:02] <trijntje_> ducasse: I dont have pastebinit, and I cant install it due to the dependency problem
[13:03] <ducasse> trijntje_: oh, what fun :) ok, what did the manual install of python say?
[13:03] <trijntje_> ducasse:$sudo apt-get dist-upgrade The following packages have unment dependencies:
[13:03] <trijntje_> python: Depends: python-minimal (=2.7.5-5ubuntu3 but 2.7.11-1 is installed
[13:05] <trijntje_> ducasse: maybe I should install the lower version of python minimal to try to resume the upgrade?
[13:06] <ducasse> trijntje_: i'm not sure, looks like the upgrade left your system in a seriously broken state. you might want to consider if a fresh install is simply faster.
[13:07] <trijntje_> ducasse: ducasse yeah, I'm running a backup of home now as well. dpkg -i older-python did resolve that dependecy issue, 7 more to go
[13:07] <trijntje_> hmm, the rest of the errors are for dependencies that are not installable
[13:08] <ducasse> trijntje_: you can keep manually installing packages, but that might simply reveal more problems.
[13:09] <ducasse> trijntje_: i'm not sure you would end up with a consistent system in less time than a reinstall would take.
[13:10] <trijntje_> ducasse: you're probably right, I'll just mess about untill the backup is done and reinstall anyways
[13:10] <trijntje_> cant wait for snap packages ;)
[13:10] <ducasse> trijntje_: you can use 'nc termbin.com 9999' instead of pastebinit so i can take a look, though.
[13:11] <kylogger1234> online
[13:13] <trijntje_> ducasse: I installed python-minimal2.7.5, used apt-mark to put it on hold, and ran sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, and its still running. So who knows
[13:13] <trijntje_> minimec: ^^ fingers crossed
[13:13] <ducasse> trijntje_: well, hope for the best :)
[13:15] <ShotokanZH> hi evryone
[13:16] <ShotokanZH> i installed i3 today (apt install i3) and tested it in xubuntu 16.04
[13:16] <ShotokanZH> decided i didn't like it and went back to xfce
[13:16] <ShotokanZH> >but
[13:17] <minimec> trijntje_: ducasse: Yeah... fingers crossed... By the way. I have to note down that 'nc termbin.com 9999' command. It could 'save lifes'...
[13:17] <computer1> k1l: like this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Scatter_diagram_for_quality_characteristic_XXX.svg/250px-Scatter_diagram_for_quality_characteristic_XXX.svg.png
[13:17] <test> wifite help plz
[13:17] <ShotokanZH> now the sound indicator (the bar that appears when you raise-lower the volume) it's missing, and in it's place i now have a blue bar with written in: "Volume is at 10%"
[13:18] <ducasse> trijntje_: yes, nc is installed by default. is it still running?
[13:18] <ShotokanZH> phil, you should ask in #kalilinux or something like that
[13:18] <phil1985> any one had wfite working
[13:19] <ShotokanZH> phil1985, you need to have aircrack installed and working, and just launch wifite
[13:19] <phil1985> thank you
[13:19] <trijntje_> ducasse: yep, X crashed during the original upgrade, and I have no idea how far it got before that happened
[13:20] <computer1> k1l_: i can't beleive it, i cannot find any information about a scatter plot in xmgrace, anywhere!! do you recommend a better program?
[13:20] <phil1985> installing aircrack now
[13:20] <louis_> I'm running Xubuntu 14.04 and recently, my software updater fails to download the 112mb of updates I have to install. Is there any way to update my distro version through the terminal?
[13:21] <ducasse> trijntje_: ouch. too bad the upgrade doesn't run in a screen session if you're not connected via ssh. run it in screen/tmux next time :)
[13:21] <o> hi
[13:22] <trijntje_> ducasse: yeah, I'll remember that. I guess it's just bad luck, I know I used to just play shooters while doing a dist upgrade without any problems. ubuntu ftw ;)
[13:22] <ducasse> louis_: 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[13:23] <louis_> thanks
[13:23] <ronal> buenas
[13:24] <ronal> ubuntu en español?
[13:24] <ducasse> trijntje_: these things happen, let's just hope you can fix it.
[13:24] <ducasse> !es | ronal
[13:24] <ronal> #ubuntu-es
[13:24] <ronal> #ubuntu-es
[13:24] <Pici> ronal: escribe /join #ubuntu-es
[13:25] <ronal> Listo, gracias!
[13:25] <ronal> Thanks!
[13:33] <yanjb> ??
[13:40] <ronal> nadie responde en ubuntu-es
[13:40] <ronal> otra de habla hispana o latinoamericana?
[13:46] <jelly> hi, do the webupd8 people have an irc channel someplace?  I think their apt repo is misconfigured, no "NotAutomatic: yes" in Release makes Update Manager try to upgrade all the packages it can from there
[13:46] <jelly> this was observed on a xenial amd64 system.
[13:47] <mchelen2> jelly: probably best to contact via email or twitter
[13:56] <kyle__> How do you get network-manager NOT to try and connect to wifi on the login window?
[13:59] <master3> testing 101
[13:59] <kyle__> master3: what about testing?
[14:00] <master3> my connection @kyle
[14:00] <yossarianuk> kyle__: go to the profile
[14:01] <ducasse> kyle__: 'nmcli set wlan0 autoconnect no' maybe?
[14:01] <yossarianuk> kyle__: in tab 'general configuration' un-select  'automatically connect to this netowrk'
[14:01] <yossarianuk> (my way was via the gui rather than cli)
[14:02] <ducasse> yossarianuk: that will only work for that particular network
[14:02] <kyle__> yossarianuk: A) this is the login window, there is no profile there.  B) there are open aps close to me that crop up and disappear all the time.  That would require me doing that every morning for whatever ones are new.
[14:02] <kyle__> Sadly.
[14:03] <ducasse> kyle__: did you try my suggestion?
[14:04] <kyle__> ducasse: Must be a version differece.  It's complinianing about the syntax.
[14:05] <x-fak> hi
[14:05] <x-fak> https://bpaste.net/show/ffd514d026cc <-why sometimes updates needs to reboot and ask for it?
[14:05] <master3> hi x-fak
[14:05] <ducasse> kyle__: should be 'nmcli device set....', sorry
[14:05] <kyle__> x-fak: Because sometimes they are kernel-level, or base library level, and sometimes they aren't.
[14:05] <x-fak> can i get any more detail about the reason why i should reboot? Which update etc?
[14:06] <ducasse> kyle__: (i don't use nm, just reading the docs)
[14:06] <x-fak> kyle__ ok
[14:06] <yossarianuk> x-fak: normally it would be a kernel/glibc/nvidia-driver update
[14:08] <x-fak> yossarianuk , ok is there a way to know which update requires it on the command line?
[14:08] <ducasse> x-fak: look at /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs
[14:09] <ducasse> (iirc)
[14:09] <yossarianuk> x-fak: good question - i'm unsure
[14:09] <ronal> join #ubuntu-ve
[14:09] <ronal> join #ubuntu-ar
[14:09] <ronal> join #ubuntu-es
[14:09] <ducasse> ronal: try /join ...
[14:10] <x-fak> ducasse , thanks, on my system it's "network-manager"
[14:10] <ronal> yae ducasse ////////
[14:11] <ducasse> x-fak: in that case you could probably just restart that, but normally i would recommend rebooting when the system asks you to.
[14:12] <kyle__> Ugh.  NetworkManager was such a horrible idea.
[14:13] <x-fak> kyle__ , what do you mean?
[14:13] <kyle__> Thanks ducasse and yossarianuk!  I can't actually modify the connections (with my level of skill with nmcli), but I can at least delete them.
[14:14] <kyle__> x-fak: It's massively overcomplicated for no good reason.  Complications that arrise organically are one thing, they're good even. but complications in software that are just-because tend to be horrible.
[14:14] <ducasse> kyle__: you could try wicd?
[14:14] <kyle__> Managing all of your network settings in dbus and storing them in a DB are NOT good ideas.
[14:14] <x-fak> network-manager is it a GUI application? Because i'm on a server
[14:14] <kyle__> ducasse: I do that on my debian and other boxes.  I may start on this one.  I was trying to keep it pretty much stock since this is the one I use for work.
[14:15] <x-fak> i'll just remove this dumb application then
[14:15] <ducasse> kyle__: yes, but nm is ritually unclean.
[14:15] <ducasse> (i shouldn't have said that, apologies)
[14:16] <kyle__> x-fak: It's got two halves.  A back-end that you can somewhat configure using their command, and a front-end GUI.  All of the graphical/desktop variants of ubuntu, and Fedora for that matter, use it for GUI integration/ease-of-use
[14:16] <kyle__> ducasse: Yeah.
[14:16] <kyle__> x-fak: Don't remove it until you've really delved deep into the networking & why you would want it or not.  It's fun to willy-nilly change things, but if the box is for work... things can get dicey really quickly.
[14:17] <x-fak> kyle__ i guess i dont need this at all if i'm using this ubuntu as a server?
[14:18] <kyle__> x-fak: That's generally my opinon, but change things at your own risk.  Also, if you're on wireless, get comfortable with a non-network-manager /etc/network/interfaces.d/ config before removing it.
[14:19] <x-fak> kyle__ i'm on wired ethernet on this server
[14:19] <kyle__> Mkay.  THen you're probably fine removing it.
[14:20] <x-fak> kyle__ ok the config of thet network is done by flat config file into /etc/network/interfaces.d/
[14:20] <kyle__> x-fak: On server I don't believe it even activates/turns on unless you install some specific meta-packages.
[14:20] <master3> #quit
[14:20] <kyle__> master3: Use a forward slash, not a #.  /quit
[14:21] <master3> #quit
[14:21] <x-fak> kyle__ i've installed some bullshit package for window manager, because i've tried to use interactive logon on this machine
[14:21] <ducasse> x-fak: if an interface is managed by /e/n/i, then nm doesn't touch it unless explicitly told to.
[14:21] <kyle__> x-fak: Ahh.  THen maybe.
[14:23] <trijntje_> ducasse: sudo apt-get check gives no errors, I'm going to try to un-pin python-minimal and update that one as well
[14:24] <x-fak> ducasse , touch what? what is  /e/n/i ?
[14:24] <Pici> x-fak: /etc/network/interfaces
[14:25] <ducasse> trijntje_: wow! \o/ :)
[14:27] <x-fak> Pici oh, ok
[14:32] <trijntje_> ducasse, minimec : I've got my GUI back after a reboot. In the end, I had to download the old version of python-minimal, pin it using apt-mark hold, resume the upgrade, and then un-hold python-minimal and upgrade again ;)
[14:32] <trijntje_> thanks for your help
[14:32] <minimec> trijntje_: nice ;)
[14:33] <ducasse> trijntje_: great! glad you fixed it :)
[14:41] <Laurenceb> hi, how do I fix this bluetooth error?
[14:41] <Laurenceb>  Can't create RFCOMM TTY: Address already in use
[14:45] <beckettj> exit
[14:47] <asgharpolo> hi
[14:48] <asgharpolo> i am from iran and i cant download http://dl-ssl.google.com/android/repository/sysimg_x86_64-23_r03.zip with tor too, can you help me>
[14:48] <asgharpolo> ?
[14:51] <ioria> asgharpolo,     http://mirrors.neusoft.edu.cn/android/repository/sys-img/android/
[14:56] <sruli> how can i login with tty but NOT mount ecryptfs?
[15:00] <rach24py> can some one recommend a good ubuntu server hosting  service?
[15:02] <bumblefuzz> hi, I'm looking for an Ubuntu minimal ISO that isn't a netinstall. The ~40MB iso I've been able to find requires an internet connection to install. Is there an available Ubuntu ISO that has the absolute minimum number of packages installed?
[15:03] <OerHeks> bumblefuzz, no.
[15:03] <bumblefuzz> fantastic
[15:03] <OerHeks> the smallest iso needs a dvd or 2 gb usb
[15:13] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> I don't know why on ubuntu my wireless connection fails and wireless card fails to detect the wireless network although it's confirmed available by other connected devices! sometimes it returns to normal using nmcli networking off|on , other times I have to restart the PC
[15:14] <sarkis> sounds like driver issue
[15:14] <davido_> you have to restart the pc? Or can you just restart the network-manager service?
[15:14] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> I've logged lspci and dmesg before and after restart and both are identical
[15:14] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> lsmod is different but I'm not sure what is what
[15:16] <alexarnaud> Dear all, I'm a blind person and I want to synchronize my iPhone with a Linux computer. Does someone of you have experience about that ?
[15:16] <alexarnaud> I've tried with Ubuntu 16.04 but the only result I have obtained was "The location could not be displayed" (in nautilus)
[15:17] <ducasse> bumblefuzz: try the server image, but it depends on what your definition of 'minimal' is.
[15:18] <ducasse> bumblefuzz: it will fit on a cd, though.
[15:18] <tatertots> Dear alexarnaud, by synchronize do you mean sync in the same context as apple does in the following article https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204599
[15:19] <xangua> alexarnaud: sync in what sense? You can get files and send, probably sync your music at most, Apple just doesn't like to get along
[15:19] <alexarnaud> tatertots, xanguaI meen syn photos, music and videos
[15:20] <alexarnaud> * I mean sync photos, videos and musics
[15:20] <ducasse> alexarnaud: i don't think that is doable.
[15:21] <alexarnaud> ducasse: It seems that it was or it is : http://www.libimobiledevice.org/
[15:21] <ducasse> alexarnaud: maybe music, but i doubt videos and photos. ios is very closed. libimobiledevice breaks often when ios is upgraded.
[15:21] <tatertots> Dear alexarnaud that would be 'Photos synced from a computer*' which is the 4th media type from the top on the article https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204599
[15:22] <xangua> alexarnaud: Ubuntu already comes with libimobiledevice, since 10.04, and every major iOS update it will break
[15:22] <ducasse> alexarnaud: in practise it doesn't work well. i gave away my ipad and bought an android device, which works much better.
[15:23] <alexarnaud> xangua: As I understand the avaiable release on 16.04 should again support iOs 9.3
[15:23] <tatertots> Dear alexarnaud the type of sync you are wanting to do requires your iphone and itunes
[15:24] <tatertots> this type of sync requires you stay in apples ecosphere...software ecosphere
[15:24] <xangua> alexarnaud: and support should break again with an iOS update, it's been like that since 2010
[15:24] <alexarnaud> ducasse: hmm, it seems you are right but it's not for me, it's for other users. Lots of blind persons have an iPhone because is better accessible for them than an Android device.
[15:25] <ducasse> alexarnaud: all i'm saying is that you will quickly become frustrated with it, as it doesn't work well for long.
[15:25] <tatertots> once you leave apple's software ecosphere things don't work the convenient, cute, fun, and easy way they are intended and designed by apple to work, outside of their software ecosphere
[15:25] <ducasse> alexarnaud: sorry, but that's just the truth.
[15:26] <tatertots> if you want convenient, cute, fun and easy it's best to stay inside of apples software ecosphere
[15:26] <alexarnaud> ducasse: OK, I think it's more safe for an iPhone user to stay on Windows.
[15:27] <ducasse> alexarnaud: it will be _hell_ for an inexperienced user, imo, as they will frequently face long, opaque error messages when it worked yesterday.
[15:29] <tatertots> maybe one day apple will make a official itunes for Linux...........hahahaha...that has as about the same odds of happening as winning the lotto
[15:29] <xangua> Better odds at lottery
[15:29] <ducasse> +1
[15:30] <tatertots> i got a little laugh out of even typing that
[15:34] <jstein> Hi, I wanted to upgrade an ubuntu system with separate partitions for / and /home. The old system had onle one user (id=1000) alice. I reinstalled from boot dvd, formatted / and defined the /home mountpoint in the menu. I have added a new user bob who got user ID 1001. I changed userid's in the passwd file and did an chmod bob:bob on bobs home and bobs ecrypt folder, same for alice. Now I can login as bob, but alice can not decrypt her old ecrypt
[15:34] <jstein> home.
[15:34] <jstein> What are the right user rights for /home/.ecryptfs ?
[15:34] <hermes> hi ppl
[15:37] <tatertots> jstein was it your intention to make it difficult for alice to get to her files/folders ?
[15:40] <jstein> tatertots: of course not. Afterwards I see things did not work as expected...
[15:40] <jstein> I do not understand, why the system can mount bob 's home automatic, but not alice 's
[15:41] <kyle__> jstein: Probably eve.
[15:41] <kyle__> Or maybe Mal is involved.
[15:43] <hermes> can I remove windows10 from a laptop and install ubuntu permanently?
[15:44] <nv_> Hi. Anyone know how why I can boot gparted 64bit live cd, but I am unable to boot Ubuntu64bit made with unetbootin? I had windows 10 installed on a new pc, I of course deleted the partition and now have a tough time installing my lovely ubuntu. Thanks.
[15:44] <ProficientWombat> Yes, you can, hermes. What version of Ubuntu do you plan on installing?
[15:45] <ProficientWombat> nv_, is it throwing up any errors?
[15:45] <nv_> The latest stable version 64bit.
[15:46] <ProficientWombat> Is it displaying any errors, nv_?
[15:46] <anonymos> help me
[15:47] <nv_> It just says no bootable cd, except when I use gparted.  I downloaded the iso several times and it works on my other pc. THis new one had uefi not old bios. I suspect I messed up something there.
[15:47] <akash_> Hey folks
[15:47] <nv_> Thanks anonymos
[15:47] <GuidovanPossum> hi, just checking I thought today was the release of the LTS update from 14.04 -> 16.04 since it's 3 months after the April 19th launch?
[15:48] <Pici> GuidovanPossum: its the 21st
[15:48] <GuidovanPossum> ok thanks!
[15:48] <Pici> GuidovanPossum: also, nice nick.
[15:48] <ProficientWombat> nv_, perhaps it was a problem with unetbootin. maybe you could try re-installing it?
[15:49] <anonymos> salut terminal ubunt apt-update
[15:49] <akash_> I  tried to update my linux distro using apt-get update. But it is showing some error that - failed to get files, ignored files
[15:49] <nv_> I will try it a few more times. I have done it a couple of times, with both gparted and ubuntu, but only gparted works every time.
[15:50] <akash_> Also issue with mysql, not getting installed due to it
[15:50] <ProficientWombat> @nv_ Oh okay, I see. Alright, well best of luck to ya, then
[15:50] <nv_> Thank you.
[15:50] <cisco909> hi
[15:52] <anonymos> cisco 909
[15:52] <bumblefuzz> what packages are in the ubuntu server install that aren't in an ubuntu desktop install?
[15:53] <anonymos> mm
[15:53] <deepend> hey having trouble enabling a fourth monitor?
[15:53] <deepend> two graphics cards, four plugged in
[15:53] <deepend> can only get three to work at a time
[15:54] <anonymos> je suis la pour
[15:54] <ProficientWombat> @deepend what is the 4th monitor doing?
[15:54] <anonymos> vous
[15:54] <Pici> !fr| anonymos
[15:54] <deepend> ProficientWombat: blank/black. when i try to enable it fails to apply config
[15:54] <anonymos> removed icloud bypass
[15:55] <ProficientWombat> deepend: open the Terminal and run xrandr. what does it output?
[15:55] <OerHeks> bumblefuzz, the package tasksel i guess, that starts the text installer for server apps
[15:55] <Pici> bumblefuzz: not much.
[15:55] <deepend> ProficientWombat: just without any args?
[15:55] <bumblefuzz> Pici there's a package called not much?
[15:56] <ProficientWombat> deepend: yup, it should list all the connected monitors
[15:56] <ProficientWombat> deepend: unless I'm wrong. :P
[15:56] <Pici> bumblefuzz: This is from a 14.04 server, but: http://paste.ubuntu.com/20050506/  , thats a comparison of the server and ubuntu-desktop tasks.
[15:56] <deepend> k, lemme give that a shot. thanks ProficientWombat
[15:56] <fugtod> i am connected to the wifi but not the internet. google doesn't load in firefox. what can i try?
[15:56] <ProficientWombat> yup, no problem
[15:56] <Pici> bumblefuzz: so that doesn't include picking lamp-server or email-server at server install.
[15:57] <Pici> bumblefuzz: it was a diff of tasksel --task-packages ubuntu-desktop and tasksel --task-packages server
[15:58] <fugtod> anyone?
[15:58] <deepend> ProficientWombat: https://bpaste.net/show/5b0bf647a7a8
[15:58] <deepend> looks like it says disconnected?
[15:59] <bumblefuzz> Pici great, so are any of those tasks essential after install?
[15:59] <bumblefuzz> in other words, can I safely remove them from a server install?
[15:59] <bumblefuzz> and then install ubuntu desktop to make it a seamless server > desktop transition?
[16:01] <Pici> bumblefuzz: The other tasks in tasksel? Only if you intend to continue running a web/email server, etc.  (also don't uninstall tasks, use apt directly)
[16:01] <Pici> bumblefuzz: and these packages I listed are all small and unintrusive, I wouldn't bother removing them from an install if I was trying to turn it into a desktop.
[16:01] <fugtod> is anyone going to help me
[16:02] <deepend> fugtod: this is the internet?
[16:03] <ProficientWombat> deepend: hm, I'm not sure. Here are some links that may help, though: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/30677684/ubuntu-xrandr-shows-hdmi-output-as-disconnected-when-it-is-connected
[16:03] <deepend> I haven't installed nvidia drivers yet, wonder if that would make a difference?
[16:04] <ProficientWombat> deepend: Ah yes, it very well may.
[16:04] <niko988> Hello
[16:04] <deepend> i'll give that a try
[16:04] <ProficientWombat> ok, hope it works!
[16:04] <fugtod> on my other device, deepend
[16:04] <fugtod> asus chromebox running ubuntu 14.04 lts
[16:04] <deepend> fugtod: and you're on the same network?
[16:04] <ProficientWombat> sorry I wasn't more help, @deepend, haha
[16:04] <deepend> no worries ProficientWombat
[16:04] <fugtod> yes
[16:05] <deepend> can you ping 8.8.8.8 ?
[16:08] <zamanf> silence
[16:09] <meshuggah_> is ubuntu lacking privacy support?
[16:10] <Pici> meshuggah_: in what context?
[16:10] <fugtod> no
[16:10] <meshuggah_> dunno i go to the settings, there is security^privacy with everything set to enabled by default
[16:10] <niko988> I have a server with a static IP and a TLD. For my home network i always used DynDns (now dyn.com) with my Router to update there another TLD with my dynamic IP. So if I understood everything right DynDns is a normal DNS-Server with the ability to change the destination IP Adress of the Domain (or Subdomain)... Is it possible (or does it makes sence) to run a "dyndns-Server Script" on my own
[16:10] <niko988> Ubuntu machine? I don't want to have two seperate domains, and DynDns is a little bit expensive...
[16:10] <meshuggah_> and not long ago there was a scandal about ubuntu spying us and putting ads about what we do
[16:10] <meshuggah_> did that changed?
[16:11] <k1l> meshuggah_: as you already said you can set the settings to your needs.
[16:11] <meshuggah_> k1l, yeah, but 90% of people wont check this, as ubuntu is made for new people trying linux
[16:12] <OerHeks> meshuggah_, 90% is what you think
[16:12] <OerHeks> but that is oke :-)
[16:13] <meshuggah_> OerHeks, why would veteran use ubuntu?
[16:13] <k1l> meshuggah_: this is a technical support channel. do you have any technical support issue?
[16:13] <meshuggah_> btw, i installed it, dont take me wrong
[16:14] <meshuggah_> k1l, i got unity installed, i hate it, how do i change it for a real desktop environment?
[16:14] <meshuggah_> i cant even find the system settings
[16:14] <meshuggah_> they tried so much to make it easier, it is barely useable
[16:14] <ducasse> meshuggah_: you can drop the attitude if you want help. which desktop do you want?
[16:14] <k1l> meshuggah_: ubuntu ships a lot of other desktop enviroments. just install one you like, logout and choose the other desktop on login page. no need to make a drama out of it
[16:15] <meshuggah_> :)
[16:15] <meshuggah_> i would like a list
[16:15] <meshuggah_> i like to try new things
[16:15] <meshuggah_> yeah, maybe gnome3, to see how it progressed
[16:15] <k1l> apt search desktop
[16:16] <meshuggah_> great, thank you
[16:16] <meshuggah_> it is only apt, not apt-get?
[16:16] <Pici> k1l: thats a ridiculously long and mostly irrelevent list.
[16:17] <k1l> yeah. meshuggah_ can search for "desktop environment" which will shorten it a bit. but i think he will figure out how to use the search
[16:17] <meshuggah_> last time i used ubuntu, it was 8.10 version, things changed a bit :)
[16:18] <tominator> Hello All, quick question about Kernals, can I install a 32bit kernal on a 64 bit linux distro for backwards compatibility?
[16:18] <asdf-> i screwed up a partition table, ran out of space on the disk and created an image of the partition with dd and backed up the image.... what is the best way to recover the files?
[16:18] <xangua> meshuggah_: no, backward compatibility of what?
[16:18] <Pici> meshuggah_: this looks relevant fwiw: http://alternativeto.net/software/unity-1/?platform=linux
[16:19] <k1l> tominator: for what exactly? ubuntu is multiarch
[16:19] <meshuggah_> xangua, i dont understand what you mean with backward compatibility
[16:19] <meshuggah_> pici, thank i am checking it right now
[16:19] <tominator> Well, I have linux on a little harddrive that I put from computer to computer when needed, and I was wondering if I can use it on a 32bit computer
[16:20] <meshuggah_> tominator, is it a 32 bits or 64 bits lunix?
[16:20] <tominator> 64 bit
[16:21] <tominator> I know normally that It is not backwards compatible
[16:21] <k1l> tominator: you cant switch the architetcure with an install like that
[16:21] <k1l> tominator: and what specific is 32bit only on your hardware?
[16:21] <meshuggah_> i may try LXQt, or lxde or gnome3, why not all 3
[16:22] <ducasse> tominator: a 32-bit install will run on a 64-bit machine, but not the other way around.
[16:22] <mustmodify> I was just reading the documentation for NTP. If I sudo apt-get install ntp, do I need to set up a cron job to execute it? My impression is that I don't need to do anything... that it will automagically keep the clock in sync.
[16:22] <tominator> That's what I thought, I was just wondering if a different kernal might change that
[16:22] <xangua> tominator: no, you can't use a 64 bit OS on 32 bit only hardware
[16:23] <ducasse> tominator: a 32-bit kernel (not kernal) won't run 64-bit binaries.
[16:24] <meshuggah_> am i right to think ubuntu doesnt install proprietary nvidia driver by default?
[16:25] <k1l> meshuggah_: yes
[16:25] <tominator> Alrighty, cool. Thank you for the help
[16:25] <meshuggah_> the one who wanted to rescue data, i would try with testdisk
[16:25] <meshuggah_> a bit complicated but works well
[16:26] <tominator> Hah, I just threw Lubuntu onto an old mac XD
[16:26] <ducasse> mustmodify: you don't need to do anything, no. it runs when installed.
[16:27] <tominator> Oh, last question, can i set an iso image as an option for linux boot? The same way that memtest or the various version are installed
[16:27] <mustmodify> ducasse: thanks for the confirmation.
[16:27] <meshuggah_> i think you can, but how i dunno, tominator
[16:27] <k1l> tominator: grub can boot isos. yes
[16:28] <meshuggah_> i return at work, thank everyone for your helps
[16:28] <tominator> alrighty, I'll do some googling
[16:28] <meshuggah_> oh, if i let ubuntu opened but me afk, will screen lock in like 5 minutes?
[16:28] <OerHeks>  !isoboot
[16:28] <tominator> Awesome, thanks
[16:29] <OerHeks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[16:29] <asgharpolo> hello shit guys
[16:29] <meshuggah_> meshuggah_, after 5 minutes by default
[16:30] <meshuggah_> bye bye virtual people
[16:31] <asgharpolo> i got http://mirrors.neusoft.edu.cn/android/repository/sys-img/android/sysimg_x86_64-23_r08.zip from you guys and i lost my bandwidth
[16:31] <asgharpolo> whats going on ?
[16:32] <k1l> asgharpolo: this is the ubuntu support channel. not the android one
[16:33] <asgharpolo> i live at iran i am going to download this link (https://dl.google.com/service/prod_unavailable.html) can someone put this link for me in a mirror please?
[16:34] <ducasse> asgharpolo: Not Our Problem™
[16:34] <k1l> !ot | asgharpolo
[16:34] <asgharpolo> are you a human also or not?
[16:35] <Pici> asgharpolo: consider asking #android for mirrors
[16:35] <k1l> asgharpolo: its enough now. you insulted the users when entering this channel. than only talk offtopic. no need to make any more drama now
[16:36] <bhavesh> any idea how can I get vHost for freenode to hide my IP?
[16:37] <tonyyarusso> !cloak | bhavesh
[16:37] <bhavesh> thanks tonyyarusso
[16:44] <Dus10-Ubuntu> #WS-Offtopic
[16:46] <lukkas> hello
[16:47] <lukkas> \quit
[16:47] <lukkas> \exit
[16:47] <deepend> /quit
[16:49] <dracuts> Updating an old Ubuntu server via 'dpkg -i linux-headers-3.19.8* linux-image-3.19.8*' - The thing that bothers ,e is that it automatically generates a new grub.cnf with the new kernel. How can I skip that step? I want grub.cnf untouched
[16:53] <nacc> dracuts: so you want to install a new kernel but don't want it to be listed in grub?
[16:54] <nacc> dracuts: also, why are you updateing an old server via dpkg?
[16:55] <dracuts> nacc: yes and seems easier to get exactly what I want
[16:55] <tgm4883> dracuts: out of curiosity, why don't you want it to touch grub.cnf?
[16:56] <nacc> dracuts: well, the packages (linux-image in particular) will regenerate grub.cfg; I guess you could pass --no-triggers to dpkg, but that seems awfully risky if you don't know what you're doing.
[16:56] <tgm4883> I'd bet there is a better way to accomplish what he's trying to do
[16:57] <dracuts> nacc: what's my alternatives to install it? I need the kernel installed and that's it
[16:57] <nacc> dracuts: why do you need the kernel installed if you're not going to boot to it?
[16:57] <nacc> dracuts: sorry, just trying to get context
[16:58] <dracuts> nacc: This is a customer's server, we will boot it but want to see if certain modules are in it. It's basically a machine for testing
[16:59] <nacc> dracuts: use apt-file ?
[16:59] <nacc> dracuts: rahter than installing it
[16:59] <nacc> dracuts: or if you have the .deb, i think you can list its contents
[17:00] <dracuts> nacc: I also want to 'dracut' out of it and make a new initrd
[17:00] <dracuts> nacc: let me try no-triggers
[17:01] <nacc> dracuts: well, you can always make a new initrd after you install the package
[17:01] <nacc> dracuts: also, dracut is a ... fedora-ism?
[17:01] <mustmodify> any big preferences between using UFW vs the IPtables interface? My understanding is that UFW is just a simpler interface for iptables... but I'm doing some port forwarding and that line seems blurry.
[17:02] <ducasse> mustmodify: ufw is just a frontend, if you want to do more complicated stuff but still want a frontend, look at ferm.
[17:03] <dracuts> nacc: mkinird is dracut, and I want to make a new initrd, that's why I installed it, but I don't want it to boot to it automatically
[17:04] <nacc> dracuts: ubuntu uses mkinitramfs (iirc) and/or update-initramfs. But in any case, installing a kernel, on a well-configured host (which it seems like you want) wouldn't change the default kernel (unless you left it at the default grub settings)
[17:06] <dracuts> nacc: If /etc/default/grub DEFAULT option != 0 ..
[17:08] <nacc> dracuts: if you've already edited /etc/default/grub, you could either make it 'saved' and use that feature, or update that saved index
[17:09] <icew> vish
[17:15] <lapideviridi> If I'd want to check weather the Lenovo Ideapad 100S 14" is compatible with ubuntu or not, sould I have to check all of the hardware components induvidually?
[17:15] <dracuts> nacc: --no-triggers does not work. menu.1st (old ubuntu) is still changed
[17:16] <nacc> dracuts: how old is old in this case?
[17:16] <dracuts> ubuntu 12.04.04 lts
[17:19] <zh1> anything better then bleachbit on ubuntu?
[17:21] <nacc> dracuts: hrm, it is supposed to not run the triggers; sorry not sure what else to suggest
[17:21] <d3ad7rack> hi all
[17:21] <k1l> zh1: why need bleachbit at all?
[17:22] <k1l> zh1: such "cleaners" are known to remove wrong files and make systems unusable.
[17:22] <d3ad7rack> got a little bit of an issue that I'm not sure what caused it.... I did a fresh install of 16.04 and LAMP; now when I go to localhost to test out the connection I am getting a wifi-lock login screen. Anyone else had something similar happen?
[17:22] <zh1> k1l, yep, but my friend only knows how to use GUI stuff
[17:23] <k1l> zh1: so what does he want to do?
[17:23] <zh1> k1l, system clean on any junk ubuntu can have
[17:23] <ducasse> zh1: he needs to understand the system to do that properly.
[17:24] <k1l> i know people are trained by using windows for the need to clean their systems. but that is not an issue on ubuntu. is there a special issue?
[17:24] <zh1> for example duplicates
[17:24] <zh1> temp files
[17:24] <tgm4883> zh1: duplicates of what?
[17:24] <zh1> any duplicate files
[17:25] <tgm4883> zh1: this all seems like windows nonsense
[17:25] <zh1> most of the times can download stuff twice or more
[17:27] <tgm4883> zh1: I'm sure there is an app that will scan your home directory and find duplicates, but I'm not aware of it's name
[17:27] <k1l> fdupes
[17:27] <zh1> tgm4883, fdupes yes
[17:27] <ikonia> why would there be duplicate files
[17:27] <ducasse> i know rdfind can, but not any gui tools
[17:28] <k1l> but there was a gui one too
[17:28] <k1l> fslint iirc
[17:28] <ikonia> why would there be "a mess" left by ubuntu
[17:28] <tgm4883> ikonia: welcome to the discussion ;)
[17:28] <ducasse> ikonia: i think he means by the user :)
[17:29] <k1l> but i see it as a witchhunt. but the users are trained to do that by windows.
[17:30] <ikonia> if you can't clean up after yourself, how can you trust an app to do it blindly
[17:31] <zh1> ikonia, my friend can mess any pc
[17:31] <ikonia> ok - so using an application blindly to fix that will most likley cause problems
[17:31] <ikonia> more so if it's him running it
[17:31] <tgm4883> zh1: TBF, downloading something multiple times won't mess up a PC
[17:31] <ikonia> just clear the downloads directory
[17:31] <zh1> tgm4883, but wastes space
[17:32] <tgm4883> zh1: honestly, so?
[17:32] <ralarX> when I play audio with audacious, sometimes the playback gets stuck in some short piece that it repeats endlessly. When I then hit the mouse a little bit,it plays normally?
[17:32] <OerHeks> zh1, so your issue is your friend, not ubuntu?
[17:32] <tgm4883> zh1: I mean, if it's really an issue, you could easily script something to check a few directories for duplicates
[17:33] <OerHeks> give him a guest account :-)
[17:35] <tgm4883> Or just stick "fdupes -A -r -d -N ~/" in a cron job
[17:36] <tgm4883> could add a -q in there to hide the output
[17:39] <zamanf> η
[17:40] <zamanf> live version?
[17:41] <zamanf> is there a live version?
[17:41] <ducasse> zamanf: just choose 'try ubuntu' when booting the installer
[17:42] <zh1> OerHeks, at a certain level yes
[17:42] <matzie> Looking for help with ubuntu-fan networking, anyone familiar?
[17:42] <MonkeyDust> matzie  ask your question and wait
[17:43] <matzie> when create a fan network with fanctl <opts> - - dhcp , is there any way to pass extra args to the dnsmasq instance that is launched?
[17:45] <aliens_> !status
[17:45] <ducasse> matzie: you might have better luck in #ubuntu-server
[17:45] <aliens_> checker ?
[17:45] <zh1> tgm4883, -A and -N, what would they doo, cant seen them listed here on man
[17:45] <matzie> @ducasse cheers
[17:46] <zh1> tgm4883, just -A, found -N
[17:46] <tgm4883> run fdupes with -h and it will tell yu
[17:46] <aliens_> checker?
[17:46] <tgm4883> zh1: if I was going to cron that for someone, I'd probably limit it to the ~/Downloads folder
[17:46] <zh1> tgm4883, ok
[17:46] <tgm4883> but ~/ should* be fine with those flags
[17:47] <OerHeks> aliens_, is that an ubuntu support question?
[17:47] <timyp> what does the output of my bash script show â€™ between folders ? this is throwing of my script and causing folders and commands within the script not to run correctly, during a cronjob. Running the script manually works as expected.
[17:47] <sipajaus> can someone help me with GPA on Xubuntu?
[17:47] <sipajaus> I can't find any documentation or answers on google...
[17:48] <rypervenche> timyp: What is your script doing?
[17:48] <timyp> cd to a folder and running the rm command
[17:48] <timyp> one sec I'll paste it
[17:49] <jerichowasahoax> Does $(apt list) only list packages that are installed
[17:50] <nacc> jerichowasahoax: you can pass options (--installed, --upgradeable, --all-versions, cf. `man apt`)
[17:50] <tgm4883> ok
[17:50] <jerichowasahoax> nacc: Perfect, thank you
[17:50] <timyp> rm /var/vmail/vmail1/ypcr.com/y/p/c/ypcrvoicemail-2016.07.06.19.34.24/Maildir/cur/*
[17:51] <timyp> when the cronjob emails me the output rm: cannot remove â€˜/var/vmail/vmail1/ypcr.com/y/p/c/ypcrvoicemail-2016.07.06.19.34.24/Maildir/cur/*â€™: No such file or directory
[17:51] <rypervenche> jerichowasahoax: By default, all availble, I believe.
[17:51] <timyp> and if I run the script manually it does its job without issue rypervenche
[17:52] <jerichowasahoax> While I'm here, is there a "more correct" way of determining if I have a package installed than $(apt list --installed foo)?
[17:52] <rypervenche> timyp: Is your script a bash script?
[17:53] <rypervenche> timyp: I would use a find command with -delete, personally
[17:53] <timyp> yes its a bash script, I have tried rewriting it to do the same thing and still this happens
[17:53] <nacc> jerichowasahoax: `apt-cache policy` maybe more useful (as it will also tellyou what version si installed) ... but what you are doing is probaby fine, if it's just a "installed?" check you want
[17:54] <timyp> originally I had the bash script cd to the folder and run rm * but same thing happens
[17:54] <rypervenche> timyp: Sounds like it may be a file name causing the issue?
[17:56] <timyp> file and folder names are posix compliant how so?
[17:56] <ich_dien> So I noticed today that I was getting some rogue connections when checking netstat output
[17:56] <ich_dien> there was even connections to amazon and microsoft!!
[17:57] <rypervenche> timyp: Then it could be the environment in which cron runs.
[17:57] <timyp> I was thinking that but other scripts manually backup scripts that tar folders and run rsync works okay even with the same folder
[17:57] <ich_dien> Is there a way I can find out what program may be phoning home??
[17:57] <timyp> manually=mainly
[17:57] <timyp> under cron
[17:58] <ich_dien> Also (best way) how to make it stop?
[17:58] <OerHeks> ich_dien, ubuntu does not phone-home .. i doubt there are rogue ms and amazon connections
[17:58] <timyp> ich_dien use something like openDNS so you can see the phone homes and the domain names might help you figure it out
[17:58] <ich_dien> I'm using elementary btw
[17:59] <Pici> ich_dien: the -p argument to netstat will tell you what process is causing the connection. You may need to use sudo if your user doesn't own the processes.
[17:59] <DArqueBishop> The -p parameter works on ss as well.
[18:01] <ducasse> ich_dien: then ask in their support channel/forums.
[18:01] <ich_dien> netstat just gives me way too much info. I'm new to this, should I only be concerned with tcp and udp traffic?
[18:01] <timyp> rogue ms and amazon connections maybe caused by firefox plugins
[18:01] <ich_dien> what about unix?
[18:02] <timyp> what about unix?
[18:02] <ich_dien> timyp, that's an interesting point.
[18:03] <timyp> I've seen it a lot with windows environments you look at proxy logs and the bing toolbar will call home 5000000 times per computer
[18:03] <ich_dien> timyp, I'm refering to netstat output's first column
[18:04] <ducasse> ich_dien: you're still in the wrong channel.
[18:04] <mcphail> ich_dien: a unix socket is an "internal" conenction between processes, rather than an internet connection
[18:04] <timyp> but if internet traffic does not go to the proxy and you are not comfortable with the command lines you can pin point the connections with  openDNS
[18:04] <ich_dien> timyp, yeah if this was Windows I wouldn't be surprised but ubuntu has always been pretty clean when I check connections
[18:04] <ich_dien> how to use openDNS in this context?
[18:05] <Pici> (no idea)
[18:05] <timyp> read about it opendns.com or if you post the output of the netstat commands on paste bin someone here might be able to help you sort through it and find it
[18:06] <timyp> Does those new search filters require amazon connection to show you garbage ads when just trying to search for shit on your hard drive?
[18:06] <asad0x> hi
[18:06] <timyp> doesn't *
[18:06] <Pici> timyp: no
[18:06] <amazoniantoad> Hey guys I keep getting this hangup when I try to download anything or update. Where I have to run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" and then it tries to download the flashplugin-installer
[18:06] <amazoniantoad> But then it just hangs
[18:06] <timyp> oh
[18:06] <amazoniantoad> Can someone please help me?
[18:06] <Pici> as far as my understanding goes, that was disabled.
[18:07] <timyp> amaoniantoad flush plugin for what browser?
[18:07] <amazoniantoad> timyp, I assume firefox
[18:07] <rajivmars> how to update the "qt" version in kubuntu 16.04?
[18:07] <timyp> doesn't firefox and chrome now maintain there own flush packages?
[18:08] <amazoniantoad> timyp, it wont stop. I can't download without it trying to do this first
[18:08] <amazoniantoad> timyp, I'm just telling you what I'm seeing
[18:08] <ich_dien> ducasse, who's support forum?
[18:08] <timyp> so it this time you keep seeing it download?
[18:08] <timyp> at this time*
[18:08] <amazoniantoad> timyp, it's not downloading though. It just hangs with, "flashplugin-installer: downloading http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_20160712.1.orig.tar.gz
[18:08] <amazoniantoad> "
[18:09] <timyp> control + c ? does that stop it?
[18:09] <ducasse> ich_dien: elementary's?
[18:09] <amazoniantoad> timyp, yes. But then I get locked out of root
[18:09] <timyp> damn
[18:10] <amazoniantoad> timyp, it just installed it
[18:10] <amazoniantoad> omg...I have been dealing with this for an hour and it just started working...
[18:10] <ich_dien> ducasse, okay I will try them
[18:10] <timyp> okay to avoide it anytime you run an update you might want to remove it from your repository list
[18:11] <timyp> I really don't think you need am extra flash package if you are running firefox
[18:11] <ducasse> ich_dien: we have *no* idea what they have changed, so we don't support it.
[18:11] <timyp> might be something wrong with the repo
[18:12] <timyp> if you run wget http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_20160712.1.orig.tar.gz is it still slow?
[18:12] <ducasse> timyp: if you want to use flash in firefox you need a plugin.
[18:12] <timyp> it downloaded in about 7 seconds for me
[18:13] <timyp> than use chrome
[18:14] <mcfdez87> Hello. I have a laptop and misteriosly my wirelles connection not works. I typed a ifconfig in the terminal and I not see the wlan interface. What can I do?
[18:14] <timyp> flash really needs to be phased out in favor of html5. It's a mess
[18:15] <timyp> mcfdez87 boot to the ubunut live cd and see if the wifi driver works there
[18:16] <ich_dien> timyp, It's totally firefox doing god knows what
[18:17] <timyp> mcgdez87 check this out https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1997880
[18:17] <timyp> the fix is documented for 12.04 but give it a go
[18:18] <timyp> I mean mcfdez87 ^^^^
[18:19] <mcfdez87> timyp, I'm trying
[18:19] <timyp> good luck!
[18:19] <ich_dien> Is there a way to limit (what) how many ports programs have access to??
[18:19] <micah__> hey there, I tried the OEM install for 16.04 and it seems to be taking much longer than the normal install.  It's been going for a while now executing dpkg-deb to archive packages.  Is that something unique to the OEM install?
[18:20] <ducasse> mcfdez87: check if you do have a broadcom wifi chip first, or that thread will be useless to you.
[18:20] <ich_dien> that a non-exp can do
[18:20] <micah__> it says "dpkg-deb: building package *** into ./***"
[18:21] <DexterF> hi
[18:22] <micah__> hmm, maybe the OEM install isn't actually installing ubuntu, but installing some kind of ubuntu installer onto the disk...
[18:22] <micah__> then when I reboot, it will install from the installer
[18:22] <ducasse> !elementary | ich_dien
[18:23] <ducasse> micah__: i think that is how it works, but i've never used it.
[18:23] <DexterF> have a problem with gThumb here, the scroll bar at the right folds away when unused, and sometimes does when clicked, too. how can I turn this off altogether? I use kde and xfce and don't use a lot of gtk, but this is the only program that behaves this way
[18:23] <ich_dien> ducasse, ubottu lol I know that now and am asking them as well, but as you know some things are just ubuntu wide
[18:26] <ducasse> ich_dien: the point is that elementary is not supported here. i'll give you a hint, though; you could look at firefox plugins like ghostery and requestpolicy to limit connections to third-party sites (a lot of those connections are probably just that).
[18:32] <amazoniantoad> timyp, sorry I went MIA. I am building a firewall for the office. Yeah I used wget on the URL and it downloaded just fine
[18:33] <amazoniantoad> I don't know why it was an issue
[18:34] <ducasse> amazoniantoad: i've seen the same behaviour on that package before myself, but i've no idea what causes it. normally it works fine a little later.
[18:35] <amazoniantoad> ducasse, yeah I think this was the second time for me, though the first time was a few years ago iirc. Thought I might be doing something wrong though.
[18:36] <ducasse> amazoniantoad: nope, i suspect it might be due to a lot of users trying to download at once, but that's just a hunch.
[18:39] <timyp> wget http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/a/adobe-flashplugin/adobe-flashplugin_20160712.1.orig.tar.gz  takes me 7 seconds
[18:39] <timyp> but I tested that after you said it had just installed so if it was a server site issue, it was prob resolved by than
[18:44] <Guest82864> clear
[18:44] <Guest82864> irc is always so dead
[18:45] <timyp> its a live and well today in this channel Guest82864 !
[18:46] <Seveas> I've seen more life in a moldy pot of yoghurt :P
[18:47] <timyp> lol
[18:48] <Guest21650> hey! :)
[18:49] <Seveas> Hello Mold21650 :)
[18:55] <tatertots> hi
[18:59] <xbyte> oi
[19:00] <zh1> irc is old nut not dead
[19:01] <zh1> *but
[19:11] <meshuggah_> hello virtual friends
[19:16] <meshug> what is ubuntu chat channel?
[19:16] <Pici> meshug: for off-topic stuff? #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:17] <meshug> thank you Pici
[19:17] <WhiteNight> meshug, that is #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:18] <WhiteNight> Pici, is correct, thanks, didnt see he already responded
[19:18] <meshug> thank yopu aswell WhiteNight
[19:21] <WhiteNight> Adios ... /quit
[19:27] <ylluminate> anyone have some input on this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/799096/correct-monitors-not-detected-on-16-04-nvidia-or-nouveau
[19:31] <ioria> ylluminate, anything in the logs ?   grep Monitor /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:33] <ylluminate> only thing i've seen there ioria is ...
[19:33] <ylluminate> screw that, let me just yank it out for us to poke here
[19:38] <ylluminate> https://gist.github.com/ylluminate/fec83523a02fe1a500c10fcb1d621348
[19:41] <ylluminate> so as you can see, not much is really standing out in this ioria
[19:41] <ylluminate> just that darn CRT-0
[19:42] <ylluminate> [    30.013] (==) NVIDIA(0): No modes were requested; the default mode "nvidia-auto-select"
[19:42] <ylluminate> [    30.013] (==) NVIDIA(0):     will be used as the requested mode.
[19:44] <MonkeyDust> ylluminate  tone it down a bit
[19:44] <ylluminate> oh yeah?  sorry, didn't know i was amped up MonkeyDust
[19:47] <ioria> ylluminate,  you can't set resolution , you get a blank screen or just not recognized ?
[19:47] <ylluminate> so far it's just not recognized; have not tried to set a resolution manually in the conf
[19:47] <bhara7> I struggling with installing scanner in ubuntu gnome 16.04
[19:47] <ylluminate> i've not had to set resolutions by hand for over a decade with linux so i was surprised at this
[19:48] <ylluminate> and being on an lcd, it showing crt was even more surprising
[19:49] <bhara7> hi I am a beginner
[19:50] <embrik> what channel is for ubuntu phone?
[19:50] <crlee> Me too!
[19:50] <ioria> ylluminate,  GeForce GT 730 should be well supported by nouveau ...  for resolution   xrandr -d :0 -q ; xrandr -d :0 --output (your screen) (your resolution)
[19:50] <MonkeyDust> !phone | embrik
[19:51] <embrik> MonkeyDust, Thanks!
[19:51] <ioria> ylluminate,  e.g  xrandr -d :0 --output LVDS --mode 1024x768
[19:52] <bhara7> anyone who has installed cannon mf217w?
[19:52] <bhara7> scanner not working but detected
[19:52] <bhara7> ubuntu gnome 16.04
[20:06] <hpp6> Hi
[20:11] <jsmp> hi
[20:14] <aboude> السلام عليكم
[20:14] <aboude> شباب ممكن برنامج لتغيير مكان الاشعارات
[20:15] <Seveas> !ar
[20:15] <Seveas> nope, wrong ar.
[20:15] <MonkeyDust> !arabic
[20:15] <HappySomethingSo> hi!
[20:15] <Seveas> !sa
[20:15] <Seveas> thanks MonkeyDust
[20:16] <HappySomethingSo> I just burned two ubuntu isos to two disks
[20:16] <HappySomethingSo> One is 64bit and the other one is 32bit
[20:16] <HappySomethingSo> I mixed them up
[20:16] <HappySomethingSo> how can I tell them apart?
[20:16] <Seveas> HappySomethingSo: by booting them :)
[20:17] <Seveas> if you try to boot a 64-bit cd on a 32-bit system, it'll fail
[20:17] <tgm4883> HappySomethingSo: mount one of the disks,
[20:17] <HappySomethingSo> Seveas: the computer they'll be booting is far away
[20:17] <HappySomethingSo> tgm4883: Ok, what should I look for?
[20:17] <Seveas> both will work on a 64 bit system, use the uname -m command to find out whether you have 32 or 64 bit
[20:18] <tgm4883> How do I not have an ISO currently to check....
[20:18] <simpleirc1> How about md5 sums?
[20:18] <Seveas> HappySomethingSo: file /mnt/bin/bash will say if it's a 32 bit or 64 bit binary
[20:18] <k1l> yep, md5sum
[20:18] <Seveas> (assuming you'll be mounting it at /mnt)
[20:18] <tgm4883> HappySomethingSo: There is a few files at the root of the disk, you can check those (disk defines) and one will list packages
[20:18] <tgm4883> i386 packages vs amd64 packages
[20:18] <HappySomethingSo> I'm at a windows pc right now
[20:19] <tgm4883> HappySomethingSo: you can still pop the disk in a drive and should be able to see what's on it
[20:19] <HappySomethingSo> yeah
[20:19] <simpleirc1> HappySomethingSo check md5 sums if you can
[20:19] <tgm4883> HappySomethingSo: or download a md5sum utility for windows
[20:19] <Seveas> HappySomethingSo: ok, look inside /lib. If you have a full /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu, it's 64bit :)
[20:19] <HappySomethingSo> ok I'll try that
[20:19] <simpleirc1> Also size should be different
[20:20] <simpleirc1> Just check sizes on download page
[20:20] <HappySomethingSo> I didn't fin /lib but I did find a "binary-i386" folder in /dists/xenial/main
[20:20] <HappySomethingSo> does that mean it's 32bit?
[20:21] <k1l> why not do a md5sum check?
[20:21] <HappySomethingSo> simpleirc1: yeah but I expanded them when I burned them
[20:22] <Seveas> HappySomethingSo: and no binary-amd64?
[20:22] <HappySomethingSo> no
[20:22] <Seveas> then that's the 32bit one
[20:22] <HappySomethingSo> ok thanks!
[20:22] <Seveas> doublecheck that the other one has a binary-amd64 though :)
[20:22] <HappySomethingSo> yeah that's a good idea
[20:22] <HappySomethingSo> thank you!
[20:23] <tgm4883> README.diskdefines is the file I was looking for. Located at the root of the drive
[20:24] <tgm4883> It shows "#define DISKNAME  Ubuntu 16.04 LTS "Xenial Xerus" - Release amd64" on the amd64 disk
[20:25] <HappySomethingSo> tgm4883: Ok now I popped the supposed 64bit disk in and it does show #define DISKNAME  Ubuntu 16.04 LTS "Xenial Xerus" - Release amd64
[20:25] <HappySomethingSo> so it's a double confirmation
[20:25] <HappySomethingSo> thanks guys!
[20:25] <HappySomethingSo> (or gals)
[20:44] <ylluminate> ioria got this resolved by setting up my xorg.conf manually:
[20:44] <ylluminate> http://askubuntu.com/questions/799096/correct-monitors-not-detected-on-16-04-nvidia-or-nouveau/800630#800630
[20:46] <cmanns> Hey guys installed ubuntu on a multi-gpu system....
[20:47] <cmanns> I'd like to have the primary GPU (R9 270X) have full AMD driver, nvidia GTX650 blacklisted/disabled (for GPU Passthrough). I did test getting all 3 going I had one display on GTX, one on R9- however the mouse was skippy and freezing...once installed nvidia proprietary the R9 display is black/not in settings -> Display
[20:48] <kyle__> cmanns: I've done it on a multi-GPU system, but not like you're donig there.  Usually not a big deal.
[20:48] <cmanns> I think if I blacklist the nvidia card after removing nvidia proprietary driver things will smooth out? :D
[20:49] <distortedvoice> I can't get any audio out of my R9 380X. It shows up in pulseaudio config but it doesn't ever give me sound on the TV
[20:50] <cmanns> Theres prob multiple audio out through your R9, my R9 270X has like 3 audio out
[20:50] <joel> serious non trolling question, which package do I need to install in 14.04 to be able to build rpms?
[20:50] <distortedvoice> cmanns, all the others say unplugged
[20:50] <cmanns> apt-get install rpm joel
[20:50] <k1l> !info rmpbuild | joel
[20:50] <k1l> !info rmpbuild trusty | joel
[20:50] <joel> cmanns: cool, thanks
[20:50] <cmanns> distortedvoice, ah sorry was just my first thought :)
[20:50] <k1l> !info rpmbuild trusty
[20:51] <tatertots> audio over HDMI is not supported by AMDGPU and if you're on 16.04 that's as good as you'll ever get for your Radeon gpu....this was as of april 2016
[20:51] <distortedvoice> cmanns, thanks for the quick reply
[20:51] <nacc> k1l: i think it comes from rpm
[20:51] <k1l> joel: oh wait, the command is rpmbuild but the package name is rpm
[20:52]  * cmanns is glad doesnt use HDMI audio. Does AMDGPU have decent 3d accel on 16.04?
[20:53] <extinct_potato> Is there actually any nice GUI for VPN for Linux?
[20:53] <tatertots> my ubuntu box with radeon gpu is still using proprietary drivers and ubuntu 12.04 LTS ....and for good reason ;)
[20:54] <extinct_potato> And yes, I have heard of NetworkManager and no, I don't want to use it.
[20:54] <extinct_potato> so does anyone know of any nice GUI for VPN? :)
[20:55] <k1l> extinct_potato: well, NM would be the one where all desktops did agree to. so if you dont want that its getting very thin
[20:55] <distortedvoice> cmanns, yeah I get great fps
[20:55] <cmanns> Sweet
[20:56]  * cmanns plans to try steam_linux, and steam running on a gpu passthrough vm. (Two separate steam accounts) 
[20:56] <distortedvoice> I'm so happy fglrx is dead
[20:56] <distortedvoice> cmanns, KVM?
[20:56] <extinct_potato> k1l: I hate NM. It doesn't work with guessnet, so I hate it. Aren't there any GUIs apart from NM? Really?
[20:56] <ProdoxGT> anyone willing to give me a hand with a problem im enountering with wine
[20:56] <cmanns> Yeah distortedvoice
[20:56] <cmanns> CPU: 12 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5820K CPU @ 3.30GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.21GHz w/ 15360 KB L2 Cache **
[20:56] <distortedvoice> cmanns, I did it with a GTX 980. Worked great.
[20:56] <cmanns> plenty o powah
[20:57] <tatertots> distortedvoice great fps while doing what?..you kinda left that part out....great fps while staring at the desktop?
[20:57] <distortedvoice> cmanns, I have the 5930k ;)
[20:57] <k1l> ProdoxGT: the guys at #winehq might be better help with wine
[20:57] <distortedvoice> tatertots, opengl
[20:57] <ProdoxGT> thanks
[20:57] <cmanns> Noice!
[20:57]  * cmanns plans to go 16c+ xeon 
[20:57] <S1XL3M0UM> hello
[20:58] <tgm4883> extinct_potato: kvpnc ?
[20:58] <distortedvoice> cmanns, I was going to get a xeon e5. I would lose my 1.2GHz OC though
[20:58] <S1XL3M0UM> br huehue
[20:58] <extinct_potato> tgm4883 : It looks nice, thank you very much!
[21:04] <cmanns> you can OC the xeons distortedvoice
[21:04] <distortedvoice> cmanns, yeah core clock
[21:05] <cmanns> I'm prob aiming towards an "unlocked" one, or I'll just overclock bclk
[21:05] <ProdoxGT> well, since #winehq seems to not contain someone that can help me, does anyone here think they can solve this issue with LINE's border? http://imgur.com/s1Nqar5
[21:05] <cmanns> I don't really overclock though so no biggie to me :)
[21:05] <distortedvoice> cmanns, You found an unlocked ES or something?
[21:05] <cmanns> Various (non ES) are actually unlocked I guess
[21:05] <distortedvoice> oh
[21:05] <cmanns> Most commonly the low ghz I hear
[21:05] <ProdoxGT> it only happens on the main window and not any popups
[21:05] <distortedvoice> cmanns, I can only afford a ES lol
[21:06] <cmanns> gotta compile a list of unlocked, then ebay.
[21:06] <cmanns> Non ES are like 200-250 on ebay~
[21:06] <distortedvoice> cmanns, when you do shoot me a link
[21:06] <cmanns> I only got the i7-5820k so now when I buy cpu on ebay I can test it first, if good then sale the i7
[21:06] <distortedvoice> I want something big if I am going xeon
[21:06] <cmanns> :D
[21:06] <cmanns> and all the ecc rams
[21:07] <cmanns> ah well time to run errands I'll be back for more pesky gpu-passthrough questions later
[21:07] <distortedvoice> cmanns, I just built a dual X5670 with 48GB ECC in a 1u for around $350 I'm sending out for colo when I populate it with some drives.
[21:10] <cncr04s> how do you setup a local repository. it might be called a PPA?, I want to be able to run apt install <myapp> to push out any updates to my program that I write, to/at all of my servers.
[21:10] <paul__> hi
[21:12] <paul__> hi
[21:12] <Guest85306> What's new?
[21:12] <k1l> cncr04s: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Personal
[21:12] <Guest62265> hello i have problem with internet
[21:13] <Guest62265> some page go, some others no
[21:13] <waltherado> Novo aqui no espaço, algum BR de plantão:
[21:13] <waltherado> ?
[21:13] <Guest62265> i think itz network manager
[21:13] <distortedvoice> Guest62265, have you tried using google dns?
[21:14] <Guest62265> yes
[21:14] <Guest62265> first bug it disappear
[21:14] <k1l> !br | waltherado
[21:14] <sipajaus> should I put my public key inside a GPG message the first time I write someone? or just attach it?
[21:14] <Guest62265> now he choose what page charge
[21:14] <sipajaus> I know this isn't ubuntu speficic but I am using xubuntu to do it
[21:16] <Guest62265> i dont make urgent update becouse i know last version network manager do that shit
[21:16] <Guest62265> i want to go back, there are not a command to put down all?
[21:19] <OerHeks> sipajaus, pretty good manual https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto#Linux_mail_readers
[21:25] <zykotick9> sipajaus: you may also want to check out https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en/
[21:28] <notdaniel> i installed 16.04 onto a second HD, and it looks like the boot loader installed onto the primary hdd. 1) do i just need to do manual partitioning to prevent this during install? 2) any easy way now to install the bootloader into that 2nd drive?
[21:28] <notdaniel> i ran this install with the intention of removing that 2nd drive and booting up from a different machine
[21:30] <OerHeks> notdaniel, it will be an option during install
[21:30] <OerHeks> standard it is sda indeed
[21:30] <notdaniel> OerHeks: it prompted me which drive to install to, but not where to install the loader
[21:31] <notdaniel> OerHeks: i chose sdb as the OS install point, but it didn't install a loader there, it updated mine on sda
[21:31] <OerHeks> the bootloader question comes after that iirc
[21:32] <OerHeks> no, same page .. http://i.stack.imgur.com/dehJr.jpg
[21:34] <OerHeks> as it is grey, you might not have noticed, seen this before and might be considered an cosmetic bug
[21:34] <notdaniel> OerHeks: ah, so i _do_ need to choose manual partitioning? i had just used the "erase drive and install ubuntu" option, so i never saw any partition list or options
[21:35] <OerHeks> ehm, even with standard option like side-by-side you would get this question
[21:37] <quizzy85> OerHeks: its the option that says do something Else
[21:41] <quizzy85> sorry that was for notdaniel
[21:41] <notdaniel> quizzy85: okay, yeah, i knew that's where it was, i just was expecting it to still ask about the bootloader. was hoping to have it create the partitions but yeah i'll just do it that way next time
[21:42] <quizzy85> roger
[21:43] <bwiz> window 1
[21:45] <egrain> where can i see the change log for drop bear? i found the package and stuff to download, though no change log so far.
[21:45] <mrpanda> ni hao
[21:45] <egrain> i essentially want to know if Dropbear sshd 2013.59 is secure.
[21:45] <mrpanda> is ubuntu 16.04 better then 14.04 ??
[21:45] <egrain> ni hao ma?
[21:46] <mrpanda> hao so so hao
[21:46] <mrpanda> ni ne ?
[21:46] <k1l> egrain: packages.ubuntu.com lists the changelogs too on the right side
[21:46] <egrain> hoa.
[21:46] <egrain> well, that is as far as my mandarin goes these days.
[21:46] <egrain> hao.
[21:46] <swensson> How do I upgrade php from 7.0.4-7 to 7.0.7 or later?... did apt-get update/upgrade but nothing..
[21:47] <mrpanda> :)
[21:49] <mrpanda> Ubuntu 16.04 better then 14.04 ??
[21:50] <nacc> swensson: on 16.04, php7.0 7.0.8 just rolled out today
[21:50] <nacc> swensson: are you on 16.04?
[21:50] <swensson> Yeah
[21:50] <nacc> !info php7.0 xenial
[21:50] <k1l> mrpanda: includes systemd, new versions of kernel, drivers, xorg, and snap. so if you install ubuntu today go for 16.04
[21:50] <OerHeks> 7.08 went in prorposed 4 hrs ago, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php7.0
[21:50] <OerHeks> -r
[21:50] <nacc> OerHeks: it's in updates now
[21:50] <swensson> well it's like 10hours ago I did the update... Gonna try agian then
[21:50] <nacc> OerHeks: it's been in proposed for a few weeks
[21:50] <nacc> swensson: yeah, refresh, it rolled out more recnetly than 10 hours ago
[21:51] <nacc> OerHeks: i think that it is in both -proposed and -updates is just the ongoing migration (not positive) to the updates pocket
[21:51] <egrain> mrpanda, i would say so. why else would they have released a new version if the old one was better?
[21:51] <swensson> nacc Thanks! :) Got it now! ;P.... abit emberassing :$
[21:51] <egrain> mrpanda, also why do you care? it's free. try it out for yourself.
[21:51] <nacc> swensson: np, please do let me (via bugs) know if anything breaks :)
[21:51] <swensson> Nacc Sure will! :)
[21:52] <mrpanda> heared AMD doesn't suport linux verry well
[21:52] <OerHeks> nacc, i need the changelog to know why ..
[21:52] <mrpanda> well windows 7 was better then 10 i think :S
[21:52] <nacc> OerHeks: sorry, to know why which (fwiw, it's my upload (well sponsored upload))
[21:52] <k1l> mrpanda: amd stopped shipping the prop. driver fglrx since 16.04. but the open source drivers do work
[21:53] <mrpanda> hmm is a bit confusing am a rookie :)
[21:53] <mrpanda> will ubuntu automaticly ask for update ?
[21:53] <k1l> yes
[21:53] <mrpanda> ok..
[21:53] <mrpanda> will wait and see
[21:53] <mrpanda> i think is now about 20 gb
[21:53] <mrpanda> windows 95 was 200 mb :)
[21:54] <k1l> mrpanda: that is not right.
[21:54] <mrpanda> 20gb ?
[21:55] <k1l> the minimal system is way less than that.even a full blown ubuntu desktop install is less than 20GB
[21:55] <mrpanda> ah
[21:56] <mrpanda> maybe have two ubuntu's on it :D
[21:56] <mrpanda> or could be all the programs i installed
[21:56] <abdoul> je veux apprendre asterisk
[21:57] <mrpanda> mon dieu
[21:57] <k1l> !fr | abdoul
[21:57] <mrpanda> firefox is good browser for ubuntu ?
[21:57] <mrpanda> or perhaps sea monkey ?
[21:58] <OerHeks> firefox chrome chromium opera choose the one you like
[21:58] <mrpanda> :)
[22:00] <tatertots> of course firefox is a good browser for ubuntu....why else would they have made it the 'default' browser .....ehehehehehe
[22:00] <mrpanda> ah ok
[22:00] <mrpanda> is a bit heavy
[22:00] <mrpanda> sometimes the screen goes "dark"
[22:01] <mrpanda> and can barely pull youtube
[22:01] <mrpanda> is the amd video driver i think
[22:01] <mrpanda> heared amd and linux not work well together
[22:03] <bprompt> mrpanda:     firefox the browser, and chromium-based browsers, are pretty much the bleeding edge, web standards features wise, now, about youtube, if the video is a flash video, bear in mind that, firefox uses the outdated adobe flashplugin, whilst chromium-based browser, use the newer Pepperflash, which works for any flash animation
[22:03] <mrpanda> installed html5
[22:04] <bprompt> mrpanda:   opera went chromium for their engine, after version 12, next I think it was version 18, so, if you run the latest Opera browsers, looks pretty much like Chrome, with an opera logo
[22:04] <mrpanda> will try opera thanks :D
[22:04] <mrpanda> try to avoid google
[22:05] <mrpanda> they run on commercials
[22:05] <mrpanda> i fear if use their browser addblocks be useless in future.
[22:05] <mrpanda> www.yandex.com
[22:05] <bprompt> mrpanda:   google is a site, not a browser, and yes, they use ad-supported financing
[22:08] <mrpanda> i thought google made chrome ?
[22:08] <mrpanda> and chromium ??
[22:08] <joel> off topic
[22:08] <mrpanda> ok
[22:08] <mrpanda> am just trying to tweak ubuntu
[22:08] <mrpanda> firefox is a bit heavy
[22:09] <mrpanda> they say can use 1bg of memory
[22:09] <mrpanda> if i start up the search/software centre
[22:09] <mrpanda> ubuntu has troublez 2
[22:09] <mrpanda> "screen goes dark"
[22:09] <joel> enter is not punctuation :)
[22:10] <k1l> mrpanda: then try another browser. you got listed some other ones already. we dont know what you want and what you like. so you need to find that out yourself
[22:10] <mrpanda> i like firefoxxxxxxx
[22:10] <mrpanda> ^_^
[22:10] <k1l> mrpanda: ok, then stop trolling in here.
[22:10] <mrpanda> oh
[22:10] <mrpanda> -_-
[22:20] <Marasgeon> How can I enable wheel button in Ubuntu 16.04?
[22:20] <NikogdaCM> how can i reset my password?
[22:21] <k1l> !password | NikogdaCM
[22:25] <bprompt> Marasgeon:    do, nothing :), should be ON by default
[22:27] <Epx998> Is there a howto anywhere for setting up ub14 unattended installs?
[22:28] <njumdl2014> in http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/, which repo contains ftp package? I tried to search all the repo, there is not directory called ftp.
[22:28] <njumdl2014> Anyone could help me?
[22:30] <AirPlanes> Hi, help me fellows please
[22:30] <AirPlanes> How do I remove this? zsh: /usr/bin/zsh /bin/zsh /etc/zsh /usr/share/zsh /usr/share/man/man1/zsh.1.gz
[22:30] <AirPlanes> thekillers@TheKillers:~/zsh$
[22:31] <AirPlanes> I want to install zsh again cause it is not working
[22:31] <nacc> njumdl2014: well, the archive.ubunut.com/ubuntu is the repo
[22:31] <nacc> njumdl2014: what are you trying to do?
[22:31] <Marasgeon> This is my problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1581088
[22:31] <AirPlanes> nacc, ubunut ?
[22:32] <k1l> njumdl2014: ftp should be included in bash, iirc
[22:32] <AirPlanes> nacc, there is no such domain as ubunut? is this your phishing website?
[22:32] <nacc> AirPlanes: sorry, typo
[22:32] <AirPlanes> king of wpm
[22:32] <AirPlanes> How do I remove this? zsh: /usr/bin/zsh /bin/zsh /etc/zsh /usr/share/zsh /usr/share/man/man1/zsh.1.gz
[22:33] <nacc> AirPlanes: `apt-get purge zsh` ?
[22:33] <k1l> njumdl2014: ah wait, do a "sudo apt-get install ftp " which will install it. but be aware that ftp is pretty insecure without using of ssh
[22:33] <AirPlanes> i dont know
[22:33] <njumdl2014> I want to find the directory which contains ftp package.
[22:33] <nacc> njumdl2014: why?
[22:33] <k1l> njumdl2014: directory? what do you really want to do?
[22:34] <njumdl2014> the source code and the deb package for old version
[22:34] <AirPlanes> nice
[22:34] <AirPlanes> thanks na
[22:34] <AirPlanes> thanks nacc
[22:34] <k1l> njumdl2014: look at launchpad.net for that
[22:34] <nacc> njumdl2014: `apt-get source <pkgname>`; `apt-get download <pkgname>`
[22:34] <oscar255> hola
[22:35] <oscar255> hello
[22:35] <oscar255> how are you??
[22:37] <nacc> !ot | oscar255
[22:37] <njumdl2014> k1l: You mean the default ftp package is developed at launchpad.net?
[22:37] <nacc> njumdl2014: you can find all the packaging links on launchpad
[22:38] <nacc> njumdl2014: for any supported release; it doesn't mean launcpad is used for development, but the packages are still available for links from there
[22:38] <k1l> njumdl2014: no. its packaged at launchpad
[22:38] <njumdl2014> I think all the packages could be found at the mirror, why launchpad.net?
[22:38] <OerHeks> 'locate ftp' does wonders in terminal
[22:38] <nacc> njumdl2014: why do you want to find the package on the mirror?
[22:39] <k1l> njumdl2014: old packages get removed from the servers. its still unclear what you really want to do and it looks like you ask the wrong question
[22:40] <AirPlanes> ah
[22:40] <AirPlanes> why zsh is not show me colors?
[22:40] <njumdl2014> Well. Where could I download source code of ftp package?
[22:40] <k1l> AirPlanes: look at the config.
[22:40] <nacc> njumdl2014: we already told you that.
[22:41] <nacc> AirPlanes: something like 'autoload -Uz colors && colors' in .zshrc
[22:41] <k1l> njumdl2014: use apt-get or launchpad. your choice
[22:41] <AirPlanes> hi
[22:41] <AirPlanes> how do i mess up with partitions? learn how to use them?
[22:41] <AirPlanes> I want to be arch linux user
[22:41] <njumdl2014> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/git-ftp
[22:41] <njumdl2014> this ?
[22:41] <k1l> AirPlanes: wrong channel. this is ubuntu support
[22:41] <nacc> njumdl2014: no, that's the source package git-ftp (for the binary pacakge git-ftp)
[22:41] <AirPlanes> k1l: i ask about partitions.
[22:41] <AirPlanes> nothing wrong with that.
[22:42] <k1l> AirPlanes: read the docs if you are curious. we try to solve technical issues in here. and the arch linux channel is #archlinux
[22:42] <AirPlanes> noooooo
[22:42] <AirPlanes> all i ask is a question, stop wasting my time
[22:43] <AirPlanes> thanks for nothing
[22:43] <nacc> AirPlanes: what do you mean 'mess with partitions'? That's not something one does haphazardly
[22:43] <k1l> njumdl2014: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/netkit-ftp
[22:43] <k1l> thats it
[22:43] <AirPlanes> nacc, learn how to do that
[22:44] <AirPlanes> because arch linux manual is not clear
[22:44] <nacc> njumdl2014: fwiw, you can use `apt-cache show <pkgname>`  to see the path on the mirror to the .deb files (although you shouldn't ever need to use that, just use `apt-get download`)
[22:45] <nacc> AirPlanes: well, to learn about partitioning generally, i think it's easiest to google around, evne if that's a frowned upon answer here. Your question isn't really a support one, though
[22:45] <njumdl2014> nacc: you are right.
[22:45] <njumdl2014> This is a good command. The true name of ftp package is netkit-ftp package.
[22:45] <nacc> njumdl2014: no
[22:46] <njumdl2014> ?
[22:46] <nacc> njumdl2014: the *source* package name is netkit-ftp
[22:46] <nacc> njumdl2014: it makes a binary package name called ftp
[22:46] <nacc> njumdl2014: neither is more "true" than the other
[22:46] <AirPlanes>  nacc: you are right.
[22:46] <timyp> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJZgiy2x5nc
[22:47] <timyp> hmmm been using apt-get for years I'm not switching and I'm not using these lazt snap installs either
[22:47] <njumdl2014> Oh, I see. Thank you, nacc.
[22:49] <k1l> timyp: apt tries to simplify and unconfuse some parts of the old apt-get apt-cache .... commands
[22:49] <sysop> nick sysop2
[22:50] <saigel> Anybody know a way to completely remove all Desktop Environments from an ubuntu server? I got myself into DE hell, and don't know how to get out.
[22:54] <EriC^^> saigel: look into debfoster / deborphan
[22:54] <EriC^^> maybe remove xorg then remove stuff with them
[22:56] <saigel> Trying to install deborphan, but due to "unmet dependencies" of existing packages, it won't go there...
[22:57] <k1l> !info deborphan
[22:57] <k1l> unmet depencies sounds like using 3rd party repos?
[22:58] <EriC^^> saigel: sudo apt-get -f install ?
[22:58] <Kh_> I would like to put shortcuts of my applications on my desktop but I can not do
[22:58] <Kh_> In KDE
[22:58] <Kh_> :/
[22:58] <Kh_> Kubuntu 16.04
[23:00] <saigel> using "sudo apt-get -f install", I get "dpkg: error processing package ubuntu-mate-core (--configure): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured"...
[23:01] <saigel> I don't know what to do. I just want to wipe all DEs off my system and do a clean install of Unity or Mate or Cinnamon
[23:01] <EriC^^> saigel: dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq remove ubuntu-mate-core
[23:03] <saigel> @EriC^^: I get "dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of ubuntu-mate-core". ubuntu-mate-desktop depends on ubuntu-mate-core, however, package ubuntu-mate-core is to be removed...
[23:04] <EriC^^> saigel: dpkg --force-all remove ubuntu-mate-core
[23:05] <Eli-5dce> saigel: are you in root? or is that not required in ubuntu anymore? anyways I  know if you do the package by it's name it may work... like "sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-mate-core" (no quotes)  and also "sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-mate-desktop" if it is needed to remove desktop first
[23:05] <saigel> I'm using sudo
[23:06] <Eli-5dce> ok... but are you in root?
[23:06] <saigel> And that --force-all --remove seems to be doing something that I didn't accomplish before
[23:06] <saigel> In root? Meaning the root directory?
[23:06] <k1l> Eli-5dce: on ubuntu we dont use root. we got sudo for that
[23:07] <saigel> I'm just using sudo to run the command as root
[23:07] <k1l> saigel: that is ok
[23:07] <Eli-5dce> k1l: oh i haven't used ubuntu for so long i don't even remember the way it works
[23:08] <MAmine> In my ubuntu 14.04 64bit, there is no desktop switching in lightdm although I have mate-desktop installed
[23:09] <Eli-5dce> MAmine: did you ever try removing any packages? If you did and you ignored something it may have broke it.... :/
[23:10] <saigel> I've got a list of packages that are "stuck". This time I'm running, "sudo dpkg --force-all --remove ubuntu-mate-welcome", and it grinds on it for a few seconds befoe reporting "Segmentation fault (core dumped). dpkg: error processing package ubuntu-mate-welcome (--remove); subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 139
[23:10] <saigel> then it dies.
[23:10] <k1l> MAmine: iirc, its not that package for the desktop. it didnt land in 14.04.
[23:11] <k1l> MAmine: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/08/install-mate-desktop-ubuntu-14-04-lts
[23:12] <saigel> Among the warngings I get while it is trying to remove: dpkg: warning: files list file for package 'mate-media-common' is missing; assuming package has no files currently installed.
[23:12] <saigel> And it gives a similar warning for lots of dependent packages.
[23:14] <saigel> @MAmine, I did try removing packages. I've been trying to remove packages all afternoon. And I suppose that I DID ignore something, and it must be broken. But what to do?
[23:16] <Cyber_Akuma> I have a lot of ram in my system, and a slow HDD. Would Ubuntu have any issues if I installed it without a swap partition?
[23:16] <saigel> Is there no "nuclear option" for clearing out packages, short of reformatting and starting out all over again?
[23:18] <k1l> Cyber_Akuma: not if you dont want to use hibernation or you know it will not exceed the amount of ram.
[23:19] <k1l> saigel: put the output into a pastebin and show the url here. people were actually guessing the commands. but the exact errormessages and used commands are very important.
[23:19] <k1l> saigel: are there any 3rd part repos or PPAs involved?
[23:21] <saigel> @k1l: yes
[23:22] <Eli-5dce> Cyber_Akuma: Nope... Swap is important always to linux no matter what. Without it... It MAY it MAY cause problems and slow down your computer... always have a 1 - 2 (2.5 in my opinion is what i use) swap partition as logical :/ if it is a hdd ALWAYS do it. If it is a ssd it is your choice you may not need it
[23:23] <Eli-5dce> Cyber_Akuma: I have both in my Gaming PC and 3 servers with HDD's in them and they all need swap because with out swap on there hard drives... It slowed down my performance
[23:24] <Eli-5dce> Cyber_Akuma: and swap doesn't have to be big... It is supposed to be very small just so it can let your computer breath a little
[23:26] <monsterjamp> Hello
[23:27] <saigel> http://pastebin.com/dZcBq34n
[23:28] <Eli-5dce> hello monstercamp
[23:28] <monsterjamp> How do applications like rthymbox or spotify be controlled via the media keys? Is via gnome extension or is there another api?
[23:29] <Eli-5dce> monsterjamp: you may have the option for hotkeys. or some kind of keyboard multimedia plugin from Ubuntu Software Center
[23:31] <monsterjamp> Sorry I think I misworded my questions. I can use media keys to control music applications, but what APIs do the programmers use to enable the use of media keys? Is it integrated via gnome or via lowlevel Linux functions?
[23:32] <user-614900> Hi
[23:32] <Cyber_Akuma> 2.5x my ram as swap?
[23:32] <monsterjamp> I'm programming my own music player.
[23:32] <Cyber_Akuma> I have 32gigs of ram, that would be an insane waste of space
[23:32] <Eli-5dce> Cyber_Akuma Swap is used via drive. Not memory'
[23:33] <k1l> Cyber_Akuma: no
[23:33] <Cyber_Akuma> I know
[23:34] <k1l> Cyber_Akuma: Eli-5dce only thing where the size of swap matter is the hibernation. and there it must be 1:1 as ram size, because the ram gets stored in swap to make it "be there" after resume again
[23:34] <Cyber_Akuma> I know, but this is a desktop, so it's not an issue if I can't hibernate it
[23:34] <k1l> if you dont use hibernation (suspend to disk) you can use swap size whatever you want. even 0
[23:34] <Cyber_Akuma> Wait, so I still have to have a swap partition even if it's 0?
[23:35] <yorwos> has any1 had the luck to prematurely test/do an upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04(.1) ? we are getting the update tomorrow right?
[23:35] <k1l> and if you have no swap and run out of ram then the kernel oom killer will kill programs to free ram again.
[23:35] <k1l> Cyber_Akuma: no you dont
[23:36] <Cyber_Akuma> Yeah, but again, I consider it unlikely I will run out of ram since I have 32gb, the spare HDD I have to install it on though is only 5200rpm, it would really slow the OS down if it ever swaps
[23:36] <k1l> yorwos: you can test it with the -d for developer if you want to test it.. and its not comming in 24hours.
[23:36] <k1l> Cyber_Akuma: yes.
[23:37] <k1l> so if that all is clear i dont get what you are asking :)
[23:37] <yorwos> oh.i.thought.21.juy.we.were.getting.it
[23:37] <yorwos> july*
[23:37] <Eli-5dce> k1l: oh I i see that a bit clearer now...
[23:37] <k1l> yorwos: we are. but its not 00:01 am at 21st :)
[23:37] <yorwos> :D
[23:37] <Cyber_Akuma> I was just making sure if Ubuntu can run with no swap partition at all, I know for Windows that's a bad idea no matter how much ram you have, wanted to know if it was nessary for some parts of Ubuntu too or no
[23:37]  * Eli-5dce is afk for a minute brb
[23:37] <k1l> Eli-5dce: there are a lot of myths around swap from the 80s/90s when ram was slow and dead expensive.
[23:38] <Eli-5dce> oh
[23:38] <k1l> Cyber_Akuma: ubuntu can.
[23:38] <Cyber_Akuma> Great, thanks
[23:38] <yorwos> swap.is.also.cool.to.have.if.u.plan.to.use.virtual.machines.they.take.a.lot.of.swap
[23:39] <Cyber_Akuma> I doubt I will use VMs, I just want to install ubuntu on a spare drive to mess around with it, my main OS on this thing is Windows... which I do have some VMs on actually
[23:39] <bprompt> "someone", no name, is missing the space key
[23:40] <tatertots> speaking of swap, if any of you guys want to swap your fancy new computer for my old dinosaur computer, i wouldn't be apposed to the idea
[23:40] <Cyber_Akuma> Heh, I was stuck with a Pentium 3 that coulden't even properly play YouTube or scroll down Facebook until I finally built this thing in 2013, there is no way I am going back XD
[23:41] <yorwos> sry.space.is.broken.a.hustle.to.pin.in.the.hole.heh
[23:41] <yorwos> im.off.take.care
[23:42] <saigel> Ok, well if no insights on my broken package pastebin, I guess I'll just start re-installing...
[23:44] <themeat> Im trying the ubuntu live cd but something weird happened
[23:44] <themeat> (ubuntu lts 16.04)
[23:44] <themeat> it detected my wifi card as an ethernet device
[23:45] <edward_joe> mh i have been trying to access phpmyadmin but still wont get it
[23:45] <themeat> I had to restart network-manager for it to detect it as a wifi device
[23:46] <themeat> shit like that is why linux isnt ready for the desktop
[23:46] <themeat> there's *always* one problem or another
[23:46] <orlock> themeat: eh, people have been tolerating/expecting shit like that from other OS's for ages though
[23:46] <Cyber_Akuma> EVERY os has problems
[23:47] <orlock> themeat: Remember when changing a network gateway or nameserver under windows meant rebooting?
[23:47] <saigel> Like Windows is trouble free?
[23:47] <Cyber_Akuma> .... though I do feel Linux desktops are not really user friendly for the average person
[23:47] <orlock> these days, who cares - its the applications, not the OS you run
[23:47] <Cyber_Akuma> Hell, I remember when changing the DISPLAY RESOLUTION meant rebooting
[23:47] <themeat> orlock: nope. the average person doesnt change that stuff. me neither
[23:47] <saigel> They are very friendly to the average person who has bothered to learn a little about how their computer works...
[23:47] <Cyber_Akuma> Or was that color depth?
[23:47] <Cyber_Akuma> Eh, it was one of them in Windows 95, pretty much anything needed a reboot
[23:48] <orlock> Cyber_Akuma: Malicious ping? Crash and reboot!
[23:48] <Cyber_Akuma> A.... a ethetnet connection? In the Windows 95 days? That's cute
[23:48] <orlock> anyway, linux bypassed the desktop
[23:48] <orlock> and went into the pocket and TV
[23:49] <themeat> windows has lots of problems too, but they tend to be non-critical and at the application level
[23:49] <Cyber_Akuma> And microwave and toaster and tablet and console and set-top box and just about everything else
[23:49] <Cyber_Akuma> ...... except oddly, ATMS and POS systems
[23:49] <orlock> Cyber_Akuma: yeah - though for a long time desktop windows was rare there too
[23:50] <Cyber_Akuma> I meant that most still run windows
[23:50] <orlock> Cyber_Akuma: and they used to run wince and os/2 or whatever
[23:50] <Cyber_Akuma> The POS systems when I worked retail were XP embedded...... connecting to an XP desktop that was the checkout-register
[23:51] <orlock> Cyber_Akuma: though a lot of them will have linux systems inside running comms gear (used to work for a network operator/manufacturer)
[23:51] <bazhang> lets get back to ubuntu support here please
[23:51] <Cyber_Akuma> Gotta love it when the upgrade instructions basically include "Do NOT reconnect these wires in the wrong order or it will short out"
[23:51] <bazhang> chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:51] <orlock> how do i connect ubuntu to my active directory server
[23:51] <orlock> how do i join it to the domain
[23:55] <D-unit>  
[23:59] <nacc> orlock: you'd use samba + libpam-winbind (iiuc)