[10:30] <gahan> anyone has experience of removing systemd in xenial in favour of upstart? I'm getting too many issues with systemd
[10:32] <AnrDaemon> apt-get install upstart-sysv
[10:33] <gahan> and then reboot?
[10:33] <gahan> am I likely to encounter some issues?
[10:34] <AnrDaemon> I didn't try it yet. But this what an official wiki suggest.
[10:35] <gahan> can you provide me the link please?
[10:35] <AnrDaemon> Google? It would take as much time for you as for me.
[10:39] <gahan> I can only find instructions for 15.04 :) sorry 
[10:43] <AnrDaemon> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=upstart+vs+systemd second or third link - "SystemDForUpstartUsers"
[10:56] <gahan> I tried apt-get install upstart-sysv but grub2 wasn't updated, still uses init=/lib/systemd/systemd
[11:01] <gahan> I tried on VM and it doesn't boot
[11:03] <AnrDaemon> Thanks. That's interesting.
[11:03] <gahan> it did update grub in the end
[11:03] <gahan> making upstart default and systemd optional
[11:03] <AnrDaemon> Did it rebuild initrd or you had to do it manually?
[11:03] <gahan> I rebuilt it
[11:04] <gahan> but it didn't help
[11:04] <gahan> Something to do with the volumes
[11:04] <gahan> ubuntu-vg wasn't found
[11:04] <AnrDaemon> Oh, you have it on LVM?
[11:04] <gahan> yeah
[11:04] <AnrDaemon> That's different.
[11:04] <gahan> I'm trying to migrate in openstak though
[11:04] <gahan> which is different too unfortunately
[11:06] <AnrDaemon> hah
[11:23] <gahan> openstack handled it better
[11:23] <gahan> tried with a test instance
[11:24] <gahan> still have /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd running though
[13:52] <Troova> Hi - I'm hoping for a bit of help understanding upstart monitoring
[13:56] <Troova> I am using upstart 0.6.5 on RHEL 6, and I need to change to a new user to run my application.
[13:58] <AnrDaemon> You - what? >.<
[13:59] <AnrDaemon> Troova: `init --version` please.
[13:59] <Troova> I tried the examples using su -c in the cookbook, but the tracked pid is the pid of the su calls running as root, not my application (running as a different user)
[14:01] <Troova> Unit (upstart 0.6.5)
[14:01] <Troova> Init sorry...
[14:02] <AnrDaemon> That's… that was several years ago.
[14:03] <AnrDaemon> Do you need user environment, or just start an appa with certain EUID?
[14:06] <AnrDaemon> Webchats… :/
[14:17] <JanC> sounds right that it would be following su pid
[14:18] <JanC> obviously you don't want your application to fork then...
[14:18] <AnrDaemon> JanC: He's long gone, you're talking to the void.
[14:45] <hallyn> AnrDaemon: well gahan is gone but fwiw upstart on xenial is wha ti'm running, like you said, upstart-sysv did it, and if anyone asks again i have no issues :)
[14:45] <hallyn> except power issues.  my battery lasts too long this way
[14:45] <hallyn> j/k
[14:45] <AnrDaemon> I'm going to upgrade "soon(tm)"
[14:46] <AnrDaemon> (Or, well, reinstall, since I want 64 bit already.)
[14:46] <hallyn> upgrade to yakkety, or to upstart? :)
[14:46] <AnrDaemon> Upgrade in general.
[14:46] <AnrDaemon> This server (the core) is over eight years old, and survived too many hardware replacements.
[14:47] <AnrDaemon> I want to reinstall it once before it is failing again. :D
[14:47] <AnrDaemon> (And it is running Precise ATM, if that was your question.)
[14:48] <hallyn> gotcha