| tsimonq2 | YES! the libfm fix made it in! | 00:16 |
|---|---|---|
| wxl | yay | 00:16 |
| * tsimonq2 smoke tests | 00:16 | |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: think I should poke /win 20 | 00:19 |
| tsimonq2 | whopps | 00:19 |
| tsimonq2 | ahhhhhhhh | 00:19 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: think I should poke slangasek about getting an experimental LXQt image? | 00:19 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: not until we have some sense as to what the additional applications would be like | 00:20 |
| tsimonq2 | alright wxl | 00:20 |
| wxl | that's what i think, at least | 00:20 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: well we already have a metapackage, no? | 00:21 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: I mean, would it hurt? :) | 00:21 |
| wxl | potentially | 00:22 |
| tsimonq2 | how so? | 00:22 |
| wxl | i'm not sure canonical has the resources to do something "just because" | 00:22 |
| wxl | and i'm not sure it would be really useful to the end user since it would be incomplete | 00:23 |
| tsimonq2 | oh I see | 00:23 |
| wxl | if they wanted something incomplete, they could also just build their own system with the metapackage | 00:23 |
| tsimonq2 | yeah | 00:23 |
| wxl | i love the idea but the fact of the matter is we just need to wait | 00:24 |
| tsimonq2 | I see | 00:24 |
| flexiondotorg | tsimonq2, o/ | 06:29 |
| flexiondotorg | One of the Ubuntu MATE servers (the one running my ZNC bouncer) failed overnight. | 06:29 |
| flexiondotorg | I've lost some IRC history. | 06:29 |
| flexiondotorg | So, if you messaged me. I missed it. | 06:29 |
| tsimonq2 | I didn't | 06:46 |
| flexiondotorg | tsimonq2, o/ | 07:03 |
| flexiondotorg | Looks like Lubuntu testing is going well. | 07:03 |
| flexiondotorg | I'm doing some Ubuntu MATE testing now. | 07:03 |
| flexiondotorg | Looks good enough to me :-) | 07:03 |
| tsimonq2 | flexiondotorg: Lubuntu is doing one more respin | 07:12 |
| flexiondotorg | tsimonq2, Because? | 07:12 |
| tsimonq2 | flexiondotorg: light-locker-settings is completely broken, a fix is landing very soon | 07:13 |
| flexiondotorg | Thanks. Not a thing that I need to worry about :-) | 07:13 |
| flexiondotorg | tsimonq2, Any chance someone in Lubuntu can do a quick install of Ubuntu MATE 16.04.1 on PowerPC? | 08:51 |
| tsimonq2 | flexiondotorg: I wish I could help you | 08:51 |
| tsimonq2 | unfortunately I don't know who has a PowerPC machine | 08:52 |
| flexiondotorg | OK | 08:52 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: we had one last respin this morning | 18:46 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: but the testing is almost done | 18:46 |
| redwolf | o/ sudodus | 18:49 |
| sudodus | o/ | 18:49 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus! :) | 18:49 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: thanks for helping test 16.04.1 a lot, even after today's respin. I appreciate it. :) | 18:49 |
| sudodus | You are welcome :-) | 18:50 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: this morning's respin was due to a fix that made light-locker-settings go from completely unusable to working, all fine now | 18:51 |
| sudodus | I see. | 18:51 |
| redwolf | tsimonq2, what happens with mini.iso? | 18:52 |
| sudodus | But there are still problems with Intel graphics. The cursor is lost after locking. Fix: ctrl+alt+F1, ctrl+alt+F7 | 18:53 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: the respin before that (which I also requested) has the libfm fix | 18:53 |
| tsimonq2 | yes :( | 18:53 |
| tsimonq2 | redwolf: related to sudodus' thread? | 18:53 |
| sudodus | I tested the xenial 32-bit mini.iso today, and it works, both in my Toshiba and in VirtualBox. | 18:54 |
| redwolf | no, mailing lists | 18:54 |
| redwolf | it seems failing in vbox | 18:54 |
| redwolf | but I tested it on Boxes and it works | 18:54 |
| redwolf | (kvm) | 18:54 |
| sudodus | There was a report about that, but it works for me. | 18:54 |
| redwolf | yes, same here | 18:55 |
| redwolf | odd | 18:55 |
| redwolf | I hope the one who reported did a checksum test | 18:55 |
| redwolf | .__. | 18:55 |
| tsimonq2 | XD | 18:55 |
| sudodus | There is a dialogue at the Ubuntu Forums, and the guy seems to have problems with a scsi package now. | 18:55 |
| tsimonq2 | oh okay | 18:56 |
| redwolf | ah | 18:56 |
| wxl | who's chairing this thing? | 18:56 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: keep us posted if it concerns Lubuntu please :) | 18:56 |
| redwolf | tsimonq2, I think | 18:56 |
| tsimonq2 | I thought wxl would, but if he doesn't want to, I can | 18:56 |
| redwolf | -__- | 18:57 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: your choice | 18:57 |
| redwolf | is the boss finally coming? | 18:57 |
| wxl | i'ltsgo for it | 18:57 |
| wxl | ugh | 18:57 |
| sudodus | Yes, | 18:57 |
| wxl | go for it i mean | 18:57 |
| redwolf | I see squares again ._. | 18:57 |
| tsimonq2 | I really want gilir to come to the meetings :) | 18:57 |
| redwolf | well, we have something important to say :| | 18:57 |
| * tsimonq2 finished the sentence so redwolf didn't ;) | 18:57 | |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: \o/ | 18:58 |
| tsimonq2 | oh shoot i need to brush up on my meetingology skills /o\ | 18:58 |
| tsimonq2 | *I | 18:58 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: should we wait for Julien or just go for it? | 19:00 |
| wxl | go for it | 19:00 |
| redwolf | yer! | 19:00 |
| tsimonq2 | #startmeeting Lubuntu Team Meeting for July 20, 2016 | 19:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Wed Jul 20 19:00:36 2016 UTC. The chair is tsimonq2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 19:00 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 19:00 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu-devel to: Lubuntu QA/Development | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA | Support: #lubuntu | Chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | Now Testing: Xenial Xerus 16.04.1 due 21 July, Yakkety Yak 16.10 dailies | Lubuntu Team Meeting for July 20, 2016 | Current topic: | ||
| sudodus | While we are waiting, I'd like to say that 16.04.1 is really much improved compared the 16.04. Now it is a nice LTS release :-) | 19:00 |
| tsimonq2 | could you show your attendance by saying o/ please ? | 19:01 |
| tsimonq2 | o/ | 19:01 |
| redwolf | o/ | 19:01 |
| wxl | o/ | 19:01 |
| sudodus | o/ | 19:01 |
| tsimonq2 | great, we are just waiting on Julien | 19:01 |
| tsimonq2 | Here is our planned meeting agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda | 19:01 |
| tsimonq2 | #topic https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda | 19:02 |
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| tsimonq2 | whoops | 19:02 |
| tsimonq2 | #topic Yakkety Alpha 2/16.04.1/14.04.5 and SRU work | 19:02 |
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| tsimonq2 | There | 19:02 |
| tsimonq2 | so coming up, we have 16.04.1 that is supposed to be release tomorrow | 19:02 |
| tsimonq2 | as sudodus said, we have a lot of nice fixes that really makes it a good release | 19:03 |
| tsimonq2 | we had a rebuild yesterday due to a libfm fix | 19:03 |
| tsimonq2 | and a rebuild today due to a light-locker-settings fix | 19:04 |
| tsimonq2 | buyt we are actually almost covered in testing | 19:04 |
| tsimonq2 | *but | 19:04 |
| tsimonq2 | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/363/builds | 19:04 |
| tsimonq2 | I'm working on the rest of the amd64 alternate test cases | 19:04 |
| tsimonq2 | we're good to go on Desktop | 19:05 |
| tsimonq2 | we just need to tackle Alternate i386 | 19:05 |
| sudodus | I hope you will be able to do some double-checking tests of Lubuntu 16.04.1 after this meeting :-) | 19:05 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: did you plan on doing that today or should I? | 19:05 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: and in what way should I double-check? :) | 19:05 |
| sudodus | Do the same testcase but with your hardware :-) | 19:06 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: I usually do them in a VM just to smoke test :) | 19:06 |
| wxl | yes, hardware testing is always welcome, especially when it comes to LTS releases | 19:06 |
| tsimonq2 | I agree with wxl | 19:06 |
| gilir | hi there, sorry for beeing late :-/ | 19:07 |
| tsimonq2 | hello gilir! :) | 19:07 |
| sudodus | hi gilir | 19:07 |
| redwolf | o/ gilir | 19:07 |
| wxl | no problem. good to see you gilir :) | 19:07 |
| tsimonq2 | gilir: we were currently talking about 16.04.1 beingreleased tomorrow | 19:07 |
| tsimonq2 | gilir: you aren't that late :) | 19:07 |
| tsimonq2 | anyways | 19:07 |
| tsimonq2 | so although I can't test with my own hardware as I don't have much to test with, I'm glad sudodus is testing it as well | 19:08 |
| tsimonq2 | the release notes are almost done, soon after the meeting they will be on the usual /Draft wiki page | 19:09 |
| sudodus | Maybe someone else can test too, and on hardware | 19:09 |
| tsimonq2 | and like I said, I'm working to smoke test | 19:09 |
| wxl | might want to call out for hardware testing | 19:09 |
| tsimonq2 | like on the mailing list? | 19:09 |
| wxl | yeah | 19:09 |
| wxl | can't hurt | 19:09 |
| tsimonq2 | I see, alright | 19:10 |
| tsimonq2 | #action tsimonq2: send an email to the lubuntu-devel list asking for hardware testing of 16.04.1 | 19:10 |
| meetingology | ACTION: tsimonq2: send an email to the lubuntu-devel list asking for hardware testing of 16.04.1 | 19:10 |
| tsimonq2 | there | 19:10 |
| tsimonq2 | so let's talk about Yakkety Alpha 2 | 19:11 |
| tsimonq2 | that's next week Thursday | 19:11 |
| tsimonq2 | and while there's not much that's exciting (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) we should be aware of it :) | 19:11 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: will you be able to help test Alpha 2 as well next week? :) | 19:12 |
| tsimonq2 | I will | 19:12 |
| sudodus | what problems should we look for with yakkety? | 19:12 |
| redwolf | abiword | 19:12 |
| tsimonq2 | yes | 19:12 |
| tsimonq2 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/Alpha1/Lubuntu | 19:13 |
| tsimonq2 | that has the known problems ^ | 19:13 |
| tsimonq2 | ooh, the btrfs/xfs bug? | 19:13 |
| sudodus | OK | 19:13 |
| redwolf | yup | 19:13 |
| tsimonq2 | gilir: did you ever get a chance to fix bug 1591851 ? | 19:13 |
| ubot93 | bug 1591851 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "The creation of a BTRFS or XFS partition fails during install of Lubuntu Daily Live image" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1591851 | 19:13 |
| tsimonq2 | (it seems to be a metapackage thing) | 19:13 |
| gilir | you should be fixed, last time I checked the btrfs stuff was on the ISO | 19:14 |
| gilir | you / it | 19:14 |
| tsimonq2 | alright, thanks gilir :) | 19:14 |
| tsimonq2 | but otherwise I see nothing major | 19:14 |
| tsimonq2 | 14.04.5! | 19:14 |
| tsimonq2 | the planned release date for that is August 4th | 19:15 |
| sudodus | It would be nice if we can SRU usb-creator-gtk 0.3.2 from Xenial to Trusty | 19:15 |
| wxl | i am in support of that idea | 19:15 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: is there a bug filed? I can work to get that good to go | 19:15 |
| sudodus | Yes | 19:16 |
| tsimonq2 | or gilir if he prefers :) | 19:16 |
| tsimonq2 | either way, +1 with me as well | 19:16 |
| sudodus | but maybe some particular person should be asked to do it (personal contact) | 19:16 |
| wxl | gilir never refuses an opportunity to put more work on his plate ;) | 19:16 |
| gilir | I pass on this one :-) | 19:17 |
| wxl | heheheh | 19:17 |
| tsimonq2 | #topic tsimonq2: get usb-creator-gtk 0.3.2 into Trusty | 19:17 |
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| tsimonq2 | oh jeez | 19:17 |
| tsimonq2 | gahh meetingbot | 19:17 |
| tsimonq2 | #topic Yakkety Alpha 2/16.04.1/14.04.5 and SRU work | 19:17 |
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| tsimonq2 | #agenda tsimonq2: get usb-creator-gtk 0.3.2 into Trusty | 19:18 |
| tsimonq2 | noo | 19:18 |
| tsimonq2 | #action tsimonq2: get usb-creator-gtk 0.3.2 into Trusty | 19:18 |
| tsimonq2 | there :P | 19:18 |
| meetingology | ACTION: tsimonq2: get usb-creator-gtk 0.3.2 into Trusty | 19:18 |
| tsimonq2 | also, gilir had some SRUs he submitted to the mailing list | 19:18 |
| tsimonq2 | I'll be sure to include fixes in the release notes as well :) | 19:19 |
| wxl | oh and we need ppc testing bad. | 19:19 |
| tsimonq2 | +1 | 19:19 |
| wxl | can't release the untested. | 19:19 |
| sudodus | +1 | 19:19 |
| tsimonq2 | besides that, any other items for this before we move on? | 19:19 |
| tsimonq2 | but yes, I don't have a PPC machine to test | 19:19 |
| wxl | as much as it pains me to say this, maybe we should start considering dropping ppc. | 19:19 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: could you send an email to the mailing list to get widespread feedback if you think that it's the best option? | 19:20 |
| wxl | oh yeah. i mean it's a case where the users need to be testers or it just can't happen | 19:21 |
| tsimonq2 | I garee | 19:21 |
| tsimonq2 | *agree | 19:21 |
| wxl | it's not even a choice | 19:21 |
| wxl | if they aren't tested, canonical won't release them | 19:21 |
| sudodus | Yes, I think 16.04 LTS can be the last version for PPC. It is getting really hard to get it tested, so probably very few people use it nowadays | 19:21 |
| tsimonq2 | yeah | 19:22 |
| wxl | but i don't just want to make the decision | 19:22 |
| tsimonq2 | so could somebody send something to the mailing list then? | 19:22 |
| wxl | i'd rather open it up to the community and let them decide | 19:22 |
| tsimonq2 | yeah I agree | 19:22 |
| redwolf | +1 | 19:22 |
| wxl | i'll do it | 19:22 |
| sudodus | good idea | 19:22 |
| tsimonq2 | #action wxl: send an email to lubuntu-* about dropping ppc support | 19:23 |
| meetingology | ACTION: wxl: send an email to lubuntu-* about dropping ppc support | 19:23 |
| tsimonq2 | so anything else before we move on? | 19:23 |
| tsimonq2 | I'd just like to say thanks to sudodus for all of the testing he's been doing :) | 19:24 |
| tsimonq2 | let's move on! :) | 19:24 |
| wxl | +1 | 19:24 |
| tsimonq2 | #topic Bug Day | 19:24 |
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| tsimonq2 | Lubuntu is running a Bug Day on the 26th | 19:24 |
| wxl | yay bug day | 19:25 |
| tsimonq2 | we are basically going to get help from the community to go through our bugs | 19:25 |
| tsimonq2 | I hope we get AbiWord bugs triaged, last I checked we have hundreds of them! :) | 19:25 |
| wxl | ew abiword | 19:25 |
| tsimonq2 | I agree with wxl :P | 19:26 |
| redwolf | .__. | 19:26 |
| wxl | are we going to focus on a particular segment or prioritize? | 19:26 |
| wxl | like perhaps it might be good to focus on lx components first? | 19:26 |
| sudodus | hundreds of bugs on Abiword??? | 19:26 |
| redwolf | it's buggy, yes | 19:26 |
| wxl | and then move on to apps that we tend to be the primary users of like, um, abiword | 19:26 |
| tsimonq2 | well I was going to ask, is there anything that you guys want triages? | 19:26 |
| redwolf | but we have no replacement | 19:26 |
| tsimonq2 | *triages | 19:27 |
| tsimonq2 | **triaged | 19:27 |
| tsimonq2 | ugh | 19:27 |
| wxl | sure we do, redwolf, it's called vim. :) | 19:27 |
| * wxl ducks | 19:27 | |
| redwolf | :| | 19:27 |
| tsimonq2 | but yes, I agree with wxl | 19:27 |
| tsimonq2 | ohhhhhhhh XD | 19:27 |
| * tsimonq2 gives wxl a high-five | 19:27 | |
| tsimonq2 | anyways | 19:27 |
| redwolf | gilir, about this... | 19:27 |
| gilir | if you want to work on abiword, you probably want to talk to jbicha, he was quite active on it recently | 19:27 |
| redwolf | I told tsimonq2 we were playing with the solution for the last bug | 19:28 |
| sudodus | I think many Lubuntu users install LibreOffice | 19:28 |
| tsimonq2 | alright gilir, I'll keep him in the loop :) | 19:28 |
| gilir | redwolf, right, but I don't think it's strickly a bug theme | 19:28 |
| tsimonq2 | another thing besides specific bugs, we are having an Ubuntu On Air session on the 25th from 1900 to 2000 UTC | 19:29 |
| tsimonq2 | http://ubuntuonair.com/ will have all the details | 19:29 |
| gilir | our theme just "activate" it, see upstream bug here : http://bugzilla.abisource.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13791 | 19:29 |
| ubot93 | bugzilla.abisource.com bug 13791 in Front End - GTK "constant redraw flicker when document not empty" [Major,New] | 19:29 |
| redwolf | not really, right | 19:29 |
| sudodus | Is it an option to change to Adwaita - or does it look too bad? | 19:29 |
| redwolf | but GTK is being buggy lately. they're not XDG compliant | 19:29 |
| redwolf | they included CSD this month, but that's all | 19:29 |
| redwolf | all themes are going in the opposite direction | 19:30 |
| gilir | switching to adwaita make a big visual difference between gtk2 and gtk3 apps :-/ | 19:30 |
| redwolf | I'm doing tests with Adwaita, that would free us from Light Themes | 19:30 |
| redwolf | indeed | 19:30 |
| redwolf | here: http://pasteboard.co/dQVgYvcyh.png | 19:30 |
| redwolf | and here: http://pasteboard.co/dQVfzYX7o.png | 19:30 |
| redwolf | specially the file manager | 19:30 |
| redwolf | but I wouldn't consider it a problem, yet | 19:31 |
| tsimonq2 | redwolf: so I guess my question is, are there fixes coming or are we switching the theme? | 19:31 |
| redwolf | anyway, gilir, aren't we more "gnomized" now? | 19:31 |
| redwolf | tsimonq2, this will fix the flickering, but it must be fixed on abiword specifically | 19:32 |
| tsimonq2 | I see | 19:32 |
| tsimonq2 | but back on the topic of bug day | 19:32 |
| redwolf | anyway, we're "vulnerable" to more GTK problems in the future, unless Canonical gets the right direction | 19:32 |
| redwolf | so this is being held until more tests are done | 19:32 |
| tsimonq2 | any packages people want addressed for bug day? | 19:32 |
| tsimonq2 | I see | 19:32 |
| sudodus | those screenshots look good enough :-) | 19:33 |
| redwolf | sudodus, yes, but it doesn't look "lubuntu" :) | 19:33 |
| wxl | redwolf: "right direction" means? | 19:33 |
| redwolf | wxl, XDG compliant, with full Qt support. Light Themes are proved visually incompatible in some apps because they are always late upgrading the widgets | 19:34 |
| wxl | ahhhh | 19:34 |
| wxl | :( | 19:34 |
| redwolf | and usually, sudden upgrades appear close to release dates, with ugly outcomes | 19:34 |
| tsimonq2 | redwolf: are you in talks with Canonical's design team about this? | 19:34 |
| wxl | are there bugs created for that? | 19:34 |
| redwolf | but I still trust Design Team guys | 19:34 |
| redwolf | I did, long time ago, about the "sync" between flavours | 19:35 |
| redwolf | but I was told we're a community and they can't, obviously, think about the repercussion on every theme change | 19:35 |
| redwolf | anyway, if Ubuntu looks good, Lubuntu will too | 19:35 |
| tsimonq2 | great :) | 19:36 |
| redwolf | sorry guys, gotta quit | 19:36 |
| tsimonq2 | sorry to cut y'all short, this discussion should be continued | 19:36 |
| tsimonq2 | o/ redwolf | 19:36 |
| redwolf | thanks everybody | 19:36 |
| redwolf | o/ | 19:36 |
| sudodus | o/ rewolf | 19:37 |
| tsimonq2 | so let's hand the floor to wxl | 19:37 |
| tsimonq2 | #topic QA | 19:37 |
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| tsimonq2 | anything new? :) | 19:37 |
| wxl | well, i think we pretty much covered it :) | 19:37 |
| wxl | just make sure to show up at Bug Day! | 19:37 |
| wxl | and test a lot. | 19:37 |
| wxl | ok, love you bye. :) | 19:37 |
| tsimonq2 | I agree | 19:37 |
| tsimonq2 | XD | 19:37 |
| tsimonq2 | #topic Donation Area | 19:37 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl still has the floor! | 19:37 |
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| wxl | pass. haven't done a thing with it. | 19:38 |
| tsimonq2 | :P | 19:38 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: what's the status going forward? | 19:38 |
| wxl | ultimately we need to start from scratch again. | 19:38 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: would you be able to get that started again? | 19:38 |
| tsimonq2 | or do you not want to? | 19:39 |
| wxl | i noticed (for the first time) there's an lxde foundation, so i thought maybe i might pick mario's brain about that. | 19:39 |
| tsimonq2 | alright :) | 19:39 |
| tsimonq2 | #topic Wiki | 19:39 |
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| tsimonq2 | last time you have the floor wxl :P | 19:39 |
| wxl | oh do i have the floor for the wiki?? | 19:40 |
| tsimonq2 | yep | 19:40 |
| wxl | i think that might have been an old agenda item, unless someonme has a specific question | 19:40 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: that's the status of our documentation? | 19:40 |
| tsimonq2 | *what's | 19:40 |
| wxl | well, we need more help, really. ultimately, we need someone to lead the team. | 19:41 |
| wxl | that's kind of something we've neeeded for a looooooooooooooong time | 19:41 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: has a call been put out at all? can this be brought up on the mailing list and someone picked? | 19:41 |
| wxl | without any sort of vision for what we're doing, it's hard to imagine anything getting done except little additions/changes here and there | 19:41 |
| tsimonq2 | I see | 19:41 |
| wxl | it was something we put a call out about a while back | 19:42 |
| wxl | interest was lukewarm to say the least | 19:42 |
| tsimonq2 | so what do you suggest going forward then? | 19:42 |
| sudodus | I don't understand why we have two sets of wiki pages, at the Ubuntu wiki pages and the Ubuntu help pages. | 19:42 |
| wxl | keep trying. that's about all we can do. maybe also reach out the documentation team | 19:42 |
| wxl | sudodus: i kind of don't either, to be frank | 19:43 |
| tsimonq2 | ooh, good idea, maybe some collaboration there, wxl? | 19:43 |
| wxl | help.u.c is SUPPOSED to be for official support | 19:43 |
| wxl | e.g. the Testing page wouldn't belong there | 19:43 |
| wxl | but manual pages should be there | 19:43 |
| wxl | but we have manual pages all over the place, so i don't know | 19:43 |
| wxl | again, lack of vision | 19:43 |
| tsimonq2 | although the Ubuntu Docs team is going through some trouble, so maybe we should wait for them to resolve their issues and then ask them for some help? | 19:44 |
| tsimonq2 | s/so// | 19:44 |
| wxl | yeah or maybe perhaps pining the mailing list might pull some people out that would rather work with a smaller team? i don't know | 19:44 |
| wxl | i think it would be good to ping the mailing list. we can always try later | 19:44 |
| wxl | give me a work item | 19:44 |
| tsimonq2 | #action wxl: ping the ubuntu-docs mailing list about the Lubuntu documentation | 19:45 |
| meetingology | ACTION: wxl: ping the ubuntu-docs mailing list about the Lubuntu documentation | 19:45 |
| tsimonq2 | there | 19:45 |
| tsimonq2 | moving on | 19:45 |
| tsimonq2 | #topic LXQt | 19:45 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu-devel to: Lubuntu QA/Development | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA | Support: #lubuntu | Chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | Now Testing: Xenial Xerus 16.04.1 due 21 July, Yakkety Yak 16.10 dailies | Lubuntu Team Meeting for July 20, 2016 | Current topic: LXQt | ||
| tsimonq2 | giving the floor to gilir | 19:45 |
| tsimonq2 | gilir: what's been going on in LXQt land? :) | 19:45 |
| tsimonq2 | I hear there is a release incoming? | 19:45 |
| gilir | No progress here, LXQt planned a release some days ago | 19:46 |
| gilir | but it's not release yet | 19:46 |
| tsimonq2 | alright, keep us posted :) | 19:47 |
| tsimonq2 | #topic Startup Disk Creator - mkusb | 19:47 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu-devel to: Lubuntu QA/Development | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA | Support: #lubuntu | Chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | Now Testing: Xenial Xerus 16.04.1 due 21 July, Yakkety Yak 16.10 dailies | Lubuntu Team Meeting for July 20, 2016 | Current topic: Startup Disk Creator - mkusb | ||
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: you have the floor :) | 19:47 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: anything new? | 19:48 |
| sudodus | Well, tecnically, mkusb is rather stable now | 19:48 |
| sudodus | and the Startup Disk creator alias usb-creator-gtk 0,3.2 is stable too | 19:48 |
| wxl | sudodus: how long before the qt version of mkusb is available? XD | 19:49 |
| tsimonq2 | ^ XD | 19:49 |
| sudodus | But there is no progress to get mkusb accepted in a repository. I need help from someone who knows how to do it. | 19:49 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: I can assist after the meeting if you wish | 19:50 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: it needs to go into debian first | 19:50 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: there's a process for that ;) | 19:51 |
| sudodus | I don't know if it is necessary with a particular version of mkusb for LXQt. mkusb works in Kubuntu already (but needs zenity, Would that be be in LXQt?) | 19:51 |
| sudodus | OK, tsimonq2, let talk about that after the meeting | 19:52 |
| tsimonq2 | alright :) | 19:52 |
| tsimonq2 | #topic Future meetings | 19:52 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu-devel to: Lubuntu QA/Development | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA | Support: #lubuntu | Chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | Now Testing: Xenial Xerus 16.04.1 due 21 July, Yakkety Yak 16.10 dailies | Lubuntu Team Meeting for July 20, 2016 | Current topic: Future meetings | ||
| tsimonq2 | I have the floor for this one :) | 19:52 |
| tsimonq2 | so would we meet on 10 August at the same time? | 19:53 |
| sudodus | I will probably be travel on 10 August. | 19:53 |
| sudodus | *travelling | 19:54 |
| tsimonq2 | I wanted to bring this up because I have school coming up, and I don't know if there is a time that I can be here that everyone else can be here as well | 19:54 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: so maybe the 17th? | 19:54 |
| sudodus | That's better for me | 19:54 |
| tsimonq2 | I guess it's just something that I'd like to keep in mind, that I might not be able to make these meetings | 19:55 |
| wxl | well i think if we make them much later that makes it hard for gilir and redwolf | 19:55 |
| tsimonq2 | when I get my schedule we can probably *see* if there is a different time, but we should be wary | 19:55 |
| tsimonq2 | that is what I'm saying wxl | 19:55 |
| wxl | k i guess we'll see | 19:56 |
| tsimonq2 | yep | 19:56 |
| tsimonq2 | final agenda item | 19:56 |
| tsimonq2 | #topic Snappy packages | 19:56 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu-devel to: Lubuntu QA/Development | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA | Support: #lubuntu | Chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | Now Testing: Xenial Xerus 16.04.1 due 21 July, Yakkety Yak 16.10 dailies | Lubuntu Team Meeting for July 20, 2016 | Current topic: Snappy packages | ||
| tsimonq2 | I personally love Snappy | 19:56 |
| tsimonq2 | I'm a Snapcraft contributor | 19:57 |
| tsimonq2 | and although Lubuntu supports installing a snap, it would be nice to have a Lubuntu snap | 19:57 |
| wxl | do you mean a lubuntu snap or an lxde snap? | 19:57 |
| tsimonq2 | a Lubuntu snap | 19:57 |
| tsimonq2 | I specifically wanted to hear from gilir on this | 19:58 |
| wxl | to make it easier for people to switch between flavors??? | 19:58 |
| sudodus | Do you mean containing lubuntu-desktop? | 19:58 |
| tsimonq2 | yes | 19:58 |
| tsimonq2 | (to both of you) | 19:58 |
| gilir | I played a bit with snap | 19:58 |
| sudodus | where can we find how to make snaps? | 19:58 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: http://snapcraft.io/ | 19:58 |
| gilir | looks like a viable option for individual packages, but not really for an all desktop installation | 19:59 |
| wxl | i don't know, the idea of being able to switch flavors so quickly seems rather attractive | 19:59 |
| sudodus | Thanks, I'll look at it | 19:59 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: we also have #snappy on freenode and a repo with a bunch of already snapped packakes: https://github.com/ubuntu/snappy-playpen | 19:59 |
| tsimonq2 | *packages | 19:59 |
| gilir | it reminds me binary installation on windows ... copying all .dll in 1 folder ... | 19:59 |
| wxl | a common complaint i hear from users is how to get rid of all their non-lubuntu stuff when they install lubuntu-desktop | 19:59 |
| tsimonq2 | I've been working on a little proof-of-concept: https://github.com/tsimonq2/lubuntu-distro-snaps | 20:00 |
| tsimonq2 | gilir: so is your issue just the fact that it would be a snap of Lubuntu and not individual applications? | 20:01 |
| sudodus | o/ lynorian | 20:02 |
| tsimonq2 | because if so, like I said, I would be willing to maintain it | 20:02 |
| gilir | tsimonq2, I can't really see the benefit of this | 20:02 |
| gilir | tsimonq2, if you make 1 snap by apps, the copy of all libraries in all snap wil be insane | 20:03 |
| tsimonq2 | gilir: Snaps are fast, they are easy to update, they are secure, and like wxl said, it makes it easy to install Lubuntu and easily remove it if you wish | 20:04 |
| wxl | the primary pusher of snaps is ubuntu | 20:04 |
| gilir | tsimonq2, if you do 1 big snap wil all the packages, well, that will looks like a big massive horrible binary | 20:04 |
| tsimonq2 | well I would be willing to test which is bigger, a Lubuntu snap or the lubuntu-desktop package installed | 20:04 |
| wxl | but people use ubuntu a little while and they think "wonder what the grass is like on the other side" | 20:04 |
| wxl | if they could just replace ubuntu-desktop with lubuntu-desktop that would be fantastic | 20:05 |
| gilir | tsimonq2, sounds like maketing to me, .deb can do a pretty good job | 20:05 |
| tsimonq2 | gilir: yes Debian packages can do a good job, there are just specific advantages that wxl and I are looking at | 20:06 |
| tsimonq2 | gilir: and like I said, I would be willing to maintain it | 20:06 |
| sudodus | Are there other differences except the packaging? I've heard about sandbox aspects of snaps. | 20:06 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: it's similar to mounting an .iso image | 20:07 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: it's read-only, you mount one image, and it's mounted as a loop device | 20:07 |
| gilir | tsimonq2, it's free software, do what you want :-) But cleary I don't have time to help on another packaging system (I saw some in the past years ...) | 20:08 |
| sudodus | So a read-only file system | 20:08 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: yes, although it uses already existing filesystems, it doesn't roll it's own | 20:08 |
| tsimonq2 | gilir: alright :) | 20:08 |
| gilir | Just saying, I tested them, I'm not so impress, and I don't think if useable for large scale of packages | 20:08 |
| tsimonq2 | alright | 20:09 |
| tsimonq2 | well we can talk more afterwards if you all want, but we're over time on our meeting | 20:09 |
| tsimonq2 | thanks for coming everyone! | 20:09 |
| tsimonq2 | #endmeeting | 20:09 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #lubuntu-devel to: Lubuntu QA/Development | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA | Support: #lubuntu | Chat: #lubuntu-offtopic | Now Testing: Xenial Xerus 16.04.1 due 21 July, Yakkety Yak 16.10 dailies | ||
| meetingology | Meeting ended Wed Jul 20 20:09:59 2016 UTC. | 20:09 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/lubuntu-devel/2016/lubuntu-devel.2016-07-20-19.00.moin.txt | 20:09 |
| wxl | thx all | 20:10 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: could you add 14.04.5 to the topic, maybe? :) | 20:10 |
| gilir | arf, I miss the topic about yakkety seed changes :-/ | 20:10 |
| gilir | anyway, I'll send a mail about this | 20:11 |
| tsimonq2 | alright gilir | 20:11 |
| gilir | tsimonq2, about 14.04.5, it fails to build sometime ago, you probably want to check if lubuntu-desktop is still installable on trusty | 20:12 |
| sudodus | I can test that too (on a mini text system). | 20:13 |
| gilir | I can't stay longer, sorry :-/ thanks tsimonq2 for the meeting :-) | 20:13 |
| tsimonq2 | :) | 20:13 |
| sudodus | tsimonq2: is it time for a post-meeting talk about mkusb packaging now? | 20:15 |
| tsimonq2 | sure :) | 20:15 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: so you want the mkusb package in Debian/Ubuntu ? | 20:16 |
| sudodus | Well, in what way would it be better than in a Launchpad PPA? - easier for beginners to install ... | 20:17 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: PPAs are somewhat unsupported | 20:18 |
| sudodus | I have read about the complicated route to an official debian/ubuntu package. | 20:18 |
| tsimonq2 | and i can help with that | 20:18 |
| tsimonq2 | *I | 20:18 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: if you tell me where the source code is, I can debianify it, then I'll get it uploaded to Debian Unstable | 20:19 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: it will then travel down to Ubuntu | 20:19 |
| sudodus | That's great - I enjoy programming and testing, but I'm not good at getting official or bureaucratic things working. | 20:19 |
| tsimonq2 | alright :) | 20:19 |
| tsimonq2 | so where is the source code? | 20:20 |
| sudodus | I think you might get it via two sources, ppa:mkusb/ppa and Phill's server | 20:20 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: I mean, the source code | 20:21 |
| tsimonq2 | where is it developerd? | 20:21 |
| tsimonq2 | *developed | 20:21 |
| sudodus | http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/mkusb/ | 20:21 |
| tsimonq2 | so that is where it is developed? | 20:22 |
| sudodus | There is no compiled code, only bash shellscripts - I have my own directories with help scripts in my computer | 20:23 |
| tsimonq2 | alright :) | 20:23 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: you should really think about learning a version control system such as Git :) | 20:23 |
| sudodus | but the ppa contains the package, I would think in principle like you would use for an official repository | 20:24 |
| sudodus | Maybe that would help :-) | 20:25 |
| sudodus | I mean git. | 20:25 |
| agaida | is mkusb not this special alias cat *.iso > /dev/$foo ? :P | 20:25 |
| agaida | hi sudodus tsimonq2 | 20:25 |
| tsimonq2 | o/ agaida | 20:26 |
| sudodus | hi agaida | 20:26 |
| sudodus | Originally mkusb was only using dd under the hood. The important task is to wrap security around dd. Later on I added tools to wipe drives and create new partition tables and file system, and also a method to create persistent live drives. So it is a big shellscript (but still only bash). | 20:28 |
| sudodus | tsimonq2: Anyway, what are the steps that you can help me along? | 20:30 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: I'll make sure the debian files are compliant with the standards, I'll make sure it builds fine, then I'll ask a Debian Developer to upload it | 20:30 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: then all you have to do is wait for the package to get down to Yakkety | 20:31 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: in the meantime, since you have a PPA, I'll give you instructions for getting it into your PPA | 20:32 |
| * agaida think the release name will begin with a Z | 20:32 | |
| sudodus | Sounds nice :-) ButI guess you will ask question along the path. I will try to reply and supply what you need. | 20:32 |
| tsimonq2 | in fact sudodus, I just applied to be in the mkusb team | 20:32 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: could you please approve me? :) | 20:33 |
| sudodus | Done | 20:36 |
| tsimonq2 | great | 20:37 |
| lynorian | sudodus, does mkusb have a way to say you have an install disk but want to make it back into a mass storage device through new partition table and then putting a partition on it with security? | 20:37 |
| sudodus | If you have not done it, I suggest that you install mkusb into your Lubuntu system according to this link | 20:38 |
| sudodus | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb#Quick_start_manual_and_mkusb_PPA | 20:38 |
| sudodus | and get used to it. | 20:39 |
| sudodus | No, but it can do it (overwrite whatever is on the drive). It can also fix issues with GPT, and the backup table at the tail end of the drive | 20:40 |
| sudodus | tsimonq2: You are silent. Do you need more fast feedback now, or can I leave this chat? We can always send eemails, and when you want, when can start chatting again at this channel. | 20:46 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: I'm working :) | 20:46 |
| tsimonq2 | sudodus: I'll give you feedback via email soon if you wish | 20:46 |
| sudodus | Thanks :-) | 20:47 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: aaaaaand we have a hardware tester! \o/ | 21:27 |
| wxl | whoozat? | 21:28 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: look on lubuntu-devel list | 21:29 |
| wxl | oh ian? i kind of tend to ignore his emails as i do fritz'. not to be mean, but theere's always so much detail, i'm not sure what the point is half the time. | 21:29 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: well tl;dr he tested and it works fine :P | 21:30 |
| wxl | well that's ghood | 21:32 |
| wxl | tsimonq2: nio got at the issue i have | 21:36 |
| tsimonq2 | aha | 21:37 |
| wxl | testing without docuemted results is pretty much useless | 21:37 |
| wxl | s/\(documented\)/formally \1/ | 21:38 |
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| tsimonq2 | I see | 21:38 |
| wxl | i've sung this same refrain over and over and there are certain folks who just seem to either ignore it or not get it | 21:38 |
| tsimonq2 | I see | 21:40 |
| wxl | going forward that's an area of potential improvement | 21:41 |
| wxl | whether it be in how we communicate it or documenation or i don't know what | 21:41 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: trying something over and over expecting different results is insanity | 21:41 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: if you really want it to stop, enforce it | 21:42 |
| wxl | that's why i said area of potential improvement | 21:42 |
| tsimonq2 | I see | 21:42 |
| wxl | there's nothing to enforce that will result in positive results | 21:42 |
| wxl | i can say "you're going to get banned from the list unless your testing ends up documented formally on the tracker as per our instructions" | 21:42 |
| wxl | in which case the response will likely be "ok, well, i'll stop testing then" | 21:42 |
| wxl | what we need is to convert the interest and effort into formally documented results | 21:43 |
| wxl | perhaps the task seems too daunting? | 21:43 |
| wxl | instructions need help? | 21:43 |
| wxl | like i said, i don't knwo | 21:43 |
| tsimonq2 | no, I would send them a private email saying something like this, "I really really want you to keep testing, you are a great tester, but could you please report your results in the appropriate place as well as posting on the mailing list?" | 21:43 |
| tsimonq2 | why do you assume that enforcement is negative? | 21:44 |
| wxl | what you're talking about is encouragement not enforcement | 21:44 |
| tsimonq2 | then let's exersize encouragement | 21:45 |
| tsimonq2 | I guess, why be negative? why use an iron hammer? | 21:45 |
| wxl | yeah i don't want to be | 21:45 |
| wxl | that's what i'm saying | 21:45 |
| wxl | it won't help | 21:45 |
| wxl | of course neither will ignoring and that's mostly what i've resolved to do XD | 21:45 |
| tsimonq2 | I'll say something to them next time | 21:47 |
| wxl | i guess we'll see if he follows nio's advice.. | 21:47 |
| tsimonq2 | yep | 21:47 |
| tsimonq2 | meanwhile I'm packaging mkusb and getting it ready for Debian | 21:48 |
| wxl | wow | 21:48 |
| wxl | so you know the whole process of packaging for Debian and then getting it in Ubuntu? | 21:48 |
| tsimonq2 | like the back of my hand | 21:48 |
| wxl | wow could you document it? | 21:49 |
| tsimonq2 | well, not really, but I'm close | 21:49 |
| tsimonq2 | well there's docs all over | 21:49 |
| wxl | yeah and i think that's the problem | 21:49 |
| wxl | they're all over | 21:49 |
| wxl | not in one place | 21:49 |
| tsimonq2 | I see | 21:50 |
| wxl | imagine if you had to read the entirety of the rsync manpage across several unlinked manpages | 21:50 |
| tsimonq2 | yeah :P | 21:52 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: I'll make a blog post | 21:52 |
| wxl | yes please | 21:53 |
| tsimonq2 | wxl: do you know what the check-all-the-things package is? | 21:53 |
| tsimonq2 | XD | 21:53 |
| wxl | no but it sounds nice! | 21:53 |
| tsimonq2 | it literally goes through and picks your package apart | 21:54 |
| wxl | see what i'm saying | 21:54 |
| wxl | i haven't even seen this mentioned before | 21:54 |
| wxl | although it's proabably on SOME page somewhere | 21:54 |
| tsimonq2 | yeah | 21:54 |
| tsimonq2 | *gasp* git cherry-pick is AWESOME! :D | 21:57 |
| agaida | its even more awesome with the -n switch | 22:12 |
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