[00:06] <geeky_boy> hi.. can anyone tell me how to enable click on minimise apps in 14.04
[00:16] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> ubtuntu 16.04 is not showing any opened file names on the caption/title bar of the application in use!
[00:17] <orlock> What application?
[00:17] <orlock> Are you expecting it to?
[00:21] <snkcld> im having a proble using "sbuild" to build a deb package... it complains about renaming /etc/apt/trusted.gpg to /etc/apt/trusted.gpg~, saying "invalid argument"
[00:21] <bibliojim> I am working my way through "Coding Freedom" and need a group familar with Gabriella Coleman
[00:22] <nacc> snkcld: how are you invoking sbuild (pastebin)?
[00:22] <nacc> bibliojim: wrong channel?
[00:22] <bibliojim> Yes. Please advise
[00:23] <snkcld> nacc: http://pastebin.com/raw/tWiajSAe
[00:25] <Cohedrin> Hey all, trying to setup an image of ubuntu to be installed on multiple different machines, not all with the same hardware configuringation
[00:25] <Cohedrin> if I make one image, will I be able to simply install the drivers needed for the different hardware configuration after cloning the drive?
[00:25] <Cohedrin> or will I need to make a seperate image for each hardware configuration we have?
[00:25] <nils_> Cohedrin, usually the kernel comes with a truckload of drivers.
[00:26] <nacc> Cohedrin: what do you mean by "image" in this case?
[00:26] <nils_> Cohedrin, so unless you have very specific hardware that is not supported by the ubuntu kernel out of the box you'll have to fiddle with the drivers, however that kind of exotic hardware is usually not worth the trouble
[00:26] <Cohedrin> nacc was planning on setting up 1 computer's HD and getting everything we need installed on it/ configured properly
[00:26] <Cohedrin> cloning that image onto the other machines
[00:26] <nacc> Cohedrin: so these are virtual disks?
[00:27] <Cohedrin> nils_ my only worry is that these machines are dell computers, ordered with windows originally installed on them
[00:27] <nils_> however things like fstab may be different
[00:27] <Cohedrin> which means some of the graphics cards are OEM only
[00:27] <nils_> and the network device names
[00:27] <Cohedrin> which is my biggest worry with the drivers
[00:27] <nils_> what kind of graphics cards?
[00:27] <Cohedrin> nacc No they're not virtual disks, they're physical hard drives
[00:28] <Cohedrin> 1 sec, I'll get the exact models
[00:28] <nacc> Cohedrin: as nils said, i think you'll run into UUID changes on the disks and then network device name changes
[00:28] <Cohedrin> nils_ nacc: So doing what I'm trying to do isn't possible/advisable?
[00:28] <Cohedrin> I'll need to indiviually install each computer?
[00:28] <nils_> there are ways to do it unattended and export your selections
[00:29] <nils_> maybe check out cobbler?
[00:29] <nacc> Cohedrin: well, just perhaps not exactly as you're suggesting
[00:29] <nacc> Cohedrin: yeah, i was going to suggest  using a tool for htis, for managing configuations/installs
[00:31] <snkcld> nacc: any clue whats up>
[00:31] <Cohedrin> hm, looks like cobbler needs a sort of hostmachine setup for this
[00:31] <snkcld> considering its an issue regarding renaming files... could it be an incompatibility with my filesystem? (btrfs)
[00:31] <Cohedrin> while I see the advantages of this, for the current setup we have its pretty basic, they're just desktop computers used for basic office tasks
[00:31] <Cohedrin> ideally I would like to not have to keep this as simple as possible
[00:31] <nacc> Cohedrin: yeah it's basically an install-server manager
[00:32] <nacc> Cohedrin: i mean, i guess you could try what you're suggesting; just not sure it's possible intuitively
[00:32] <Cohedrin> I found clonezilla, would that not fit the needs I would have?
[00:32] <Cohedrin> nacc no I agree, I thought I would run into some issues with it
[00:32] <Cohedrin> just trying to figure out the simplest way of going about this
[00:33] <nacc> snkcld: are youa ble to build the existing xenial one? or all sbuilds fail?
[00:33] <snkcld> i have not modified the source
[00:34] <snkcld> if that answers your question
[00:34] <nacc> snkcld: there is no 5.37-0ubuntu8 in any ubuntu release
[00:34] <snkcld> i pulled the yakkety one, though,
[00:34] <nacc> snkcld: yakkety is at 5.37-0ubuntu5
[00:34] <snkcld> yea, sorry, let me be more clear: i did not modify the sources, but i did create an empty commit
[00:35] <snkcld> for no reason in particular
[00:35] <nacc> ah
[00:35] <nacc> ok
[00:35] <nacc> snkcld: can you try building the stock ubuntu version?
[00:35] <nacc> (just to santiy check)
[00:35] <snkcld> sure
[00:35] <snkcld> good idea, ill do that now
[00:35] <snkcld> same error
[00:35] <nacc> snkcld: i just build it in my sbuild env and it worked fine
[00:35] <nacc> hrm
[00:36] <snkcld> do i need some special configuration set?
[00:36] <snkcld> like, in my .sbuildrc etc?
[00:36] <nacc> http://paste.ubuntu.com/20116095/
[00:36] <snkcld> it should "just work" right?
[00:36] <nacc> snkcld: let me check mine
[00:36] <nacc> snkcld: hwo did you build your schroot?
[00:37] <suicideboys> Yo anybody on here
[00:37] <qengho> There's a few cafes in my city with the same name. They set they same SSID on their Wifi, but each location is in charge of the password, and they vary. I think this is a flaw of Wifi, assuming that the same SSID is the same authority, but can Network Manager make my life tolerable nevertheless? I want the Wifi password to be keyed to the the BSSID or link-level identifier.
[00:38] <snkcld> nacc: mk-sbuild xenial
[00:39] <nacc> qengho: maybe through some steps like http://askubuntu.com/questions/40038/how-can-i-force-network-manager-to-associate-to-a-specific-access-point/40083
[00:39] <nacc> qengho: where you'd just have multiple connections names with the same SSID and different BSSID?
[00:40] <nacc> snkcld: hrm, ok, that's basically what i do too
[00:40] <qengho> nacc: Right, nice. Thanks.
[00:40] <snkcld> do you know why its doing that rename?
[00:42] <nacc> snkcld: unfortunately not, i'm thinking about it though
[00:42] <nacc> snkcld: you might ask in #ubuntu-devel
[00:49] <blahdeblah> Any NTP aficionados around?  I'm looking for some volunteers to add these test NTP servers to their config: "pool ntp.ubunut.com iburst"
[00:50] <tatertots> blahblahblah ok then what?
[00:51] <blahdeblah> tatertots: Ping me if you notice any issues with them. :-)
[00:52] <blahdeblah> They're some test instances that run the same code that controls ntp.ubuntu.com, and I just want some real traffic so that I can see how it goes before unleashing it on the main servers.
[00:53] <blahdeblah> No guarantees; I play around with them a lot, so there will sometimes be restarts; YMMV; IANAL; etc.
[00:54] <backbox> Hi
[00:54] <blahdeblah> tatertots: They're in our London DCs, so results will be best for those in EU, but they should work from anywhere.
[01:10] <geogts> i understand that this channel is for official ubuntu support but i'm not sure where to ask this question.  i was hoping to learn how to code as a hobby.  it's something that'll probably be short lived for me but at the moment i'd like to try.  so what language should i attempt to learn?  sorry for the off-topic question.
[01:10] <michaelcullen> geogts, any background in programming whatsoever?
[01:10] <blahdeblah> geogts: python
[01:10] <michaelcullen> Or scripting?
[01:10] <tatertots> when the software you're trying to install, fights you the whole way through
[01:12] <geogts> michaelcullen, my background is negligible.  i learned some basic html in college and have retained none of it.
[01:12] <geogts> blahdeblah: thank you, is that quite common?
[01:12] <blahdeblah> very
[01:12] <DoNotBeGay> hello
[01:12] <michaelcullen> Bit of an odd one here; deploying Ubuntu on a Portege R400, and the wifi device (Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG) is detected as a wired interface by Network Manager in the Live environment; anyone know if this is a known bug and fixed in current master, or something I'm going to need to address somehow post-install?
[01:13] <blahdeblah> geogts: and as an added bonus, lots of the scripts you see in Ubuntu & many other distros are written in it (along with bash & perl, but IMO python is easier to start with)
[01:13] <michaelcullen> geogts, it depends on what sort of thing you want to build; if you're interested in doing console apps and server-side backend stuff, Python is a good shout these days
[01:13] <blahdeblah> geogts: learnpythonthehardway.com is what my son used
[01:14] <michaelcullen> If you want to make actual applications, I'd say go with C#, possibly through Xamarin so you can target multiple platforms from a single codebase
[01:14] <geogts> blahdeblah: a quick google search returned some basic tutorials on codecademy
[01:14] <geogts> blahdeblah: oh, okay.  i'll check that out instead
[01:14] <tatertots> that's weird you're like the second person i've seen say that today michael, unless you're the same guy that said it earlier
[01:14] <blahdeblah> geogts: codecademy has a good reputation as well. And it's learnpythonthehardway.org, not .com - sorry
[01:15] <michaelcullen> The C#/Python comment? Just joined the chan so wasn't me earlier haha :) Unless you meant the Wifi thing, which also wasn't me, but I'd be interested to hear if anyone came up with a solution haha :P
[01:15] <geogts> michaelcullen: not sure where it'll go with it.  i'm on a work trip so i have lots of free time in my hotel.  this sounds more fun than going to the hotel gym :X
[01:16] <tatertots> yeah the wireless thing
[01:16] <DoNotBeGay> I am the messenger of His Majesty the Great Clown, Allah himself
[01:16] <michaelcullen> Ahhhh
[01:16] <tatertots> some guy earlier said his WLAN adapter was showing as a wired nic
[01:16] <DoNotBeGay> We must cleanse the world of fags, jews, niggers, and pigs
[01:16] <michaelcullen> To be honest, I wouldn't even know where to start fixing it, been a long time since I had to touch hardware detection in Linux, and last time it was all dealt with by reconfiguring the Kernel haha
[01:16] <tatertots> i think i have that same wlan adapter in my lappy, going to double checfk
[01:17] <tatertots> check
[01:17] <tatertots> sorry my typing gets bad at this hour
[01:17] <michaelcullen> Pretty sure it was the standard Centrino one in the Core (1) Duo days
[01:17] <geogts> blahdeblah and michaelcullen thanks for your responses.
[01:18] <michaelcullen> No problem geogts
[01:19] <blahdeblah> geogts: you're welcome!  FTR, I would agree with michaelcullen on the console/server vs. frontend apps issue as well.  Python may not be the best tool for that.
[01:19] <michaelcullen> C# is definitely worth a shout, although personally I use Visual Studio as an IDE, so not sure what sort of standard Xamarin is in right now
[01:19] <CodeMouse92> Is there a difference between putting a script in /etc/init and /etc/init.d?
[01:19] <michaelcullen> CodeMouse92, different format for the scripts... init is Upstart isn't it?
[01:20] <tatertots> I have the 4965AGN
[01:20] <blahdeblah> CodeMouse92: /etc/init is config files for upstart; /etc/init.d is scripts for sysvinit - both still work, but they are different formats
[01:20] <nils_> also consider /etc/systemd/system ;)
[01:20] <CodeMouse92> Okay, so if I need to run a bash command on startup, that'd be /etc/init
[01:20] <tatertots> also from the core duo days
[01:20] <nils_> CodeMouse92, /etc/rc.local is the easiest way
[01:20] <michaelcullen> tatertots, ahhh that'll be the model up
[01:20] <blahdeblah> CodeMouse92: you must support the correct arguments to use /etc/init.d; there's a template in that directory to show you how
[01:20] <michaelcullen> With draft N support
[01:21] <CodeMouse92> blahdeblah: Yeah, I think I'll just use /etc/init
[01:21] <blahdeblah> you need to follow the template for that, too
[01:21] <blahdeblah> if you just want to run a basic script, use rc.local like nils_ said
[01:21] <CodeMouse92> Okies. That runs as root, right?
[01:21] <CodeMouse92> (And ONLY on startup?)
[01:22] <nils_> yes & yes
[01:22] <CodeMouse92> Yay
[01:23] <sacarlson2> CodeMouse92: I've also used cron to start things at boot time just so you have more options
[01:23] <michaelcullen> Right, here we go... Ubuntu installed, time to reboot and see if the Wifi is still allegedly wired
[01:23] <CodeMouse92> sacarlson2: I've never exactly figured out where cron *is*
[01:24] <michaelcullen> Does anyone know where Cron actually is?
[01:24] <michaelcullen> :P
[01:24] <sacarlson2> CodeMouse92: like were is the bin that runs it?
[01:24] <sacarlson2> CodeMouse92: or the file that controls it?
[01:24] <CodeMouse92> sacarlson2: In other words, I've never used it, don't know how to (but kinda need to)
[01:24] <michaelcullen> Crontab is somewhere in /var/, if I recall correctly
[01:25] <CodeMouse92> (Also, is there a similar file to run a script before shutdown?
[01:25] <sacarlson2> CodeMouse92: I think there is shutdown in network scripts I'm not sure if they pertain to power down
[01:26] <michaelcullen> If I remember rightly, Upstart scripts are RIDICULOUSLY simple
[01:26] <michaelcullen> You specify a trigger, and then a command
[01:26] <CodeMouse92> One person suggests /etc/gdm/PostSession/Default....?
[01:26] <CodeMouse92> Which doesn't sound right
[01:26] <CodeMouse92> another says /etc/rc0.d
[01:28] <CodeMouse92> Hum. Turns out VirtualBox already has a script there to handle shutting down the VM. Nevermind THAT
[01:28] <michaelcullen> tatertots, well I booted into Ubuntu (non-live), and it detected it perfectly as a Wireless interface
[01:30] <michaelcullen> This is why Linux frustrates me at times lol.
[01:33] <blahdeblah> CodeMouse92, michaelcullen: the cron binary is almost irrelevant; what you're really interested in is /etc/crontab, which is the master control for all the cron.* directories, and /var/spool/cron, which is where user crontabs are stored
[01:34] <CodeMouse92> Okay, next question about cron then...
[01:34] <michaelcullen> That's the one I was thinking of, the user one
[01:34] <CodeMouse92> I have to set up a cron for Let's Encrypt that runs "twice per day", but using a "random minute within the hour"
[01:34] <CodeMouse92> I have never set up a cron before in my life, so I'm entirely and totally lost
[01:35] <Ben64> CodeMouse92: that makes no sense
[01:35] <blahdeblah> CodeMouse92: try this for starts https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto
[01:36] <blahdeblah> Ben64: It makes perfect sense to run twice per day but randomise the time over 1 hour
[01:36] <blahdeblah> In fact, the unattended-upgrades package in xenial does something very much like that
[01:36] <Ben64> blahdeblah: no it doesn't
[01:37] <CodeMouse92> (Makes sense to me - prevents server overload when everyone uses the top of the hour)
[01:37] <Ben64> letsencrypt certs last 90 days, doesn't make sense to do something twice every day
[01:37] <CodeMouse92> Ben64: Their recommendation. https://certbot.eff.org/#ubuntutrusty-other
[01:38] <CodeMouse92> Ben64: "(it won't do anything until your certificates are due for renewal or revoked, but running it regularly would give your site a chance of staying online in case a Let's Encrypt-initiated revocation happened for some reason)"
[01:38] <Ben64> weird
[01:38] <blahdeblah> Ben64: if you've got a lot of certs, you don't know which ones need renewing, and the LE client is smart enough not to renew the ones which don't need it
[01:39] <CodeMouse92> blahdeblah: What's the time-and-date field for this situation?
[01:39] <CodeMouse92> (Reading that page, btw...still not making heads or tails. need coffee)
[01:42] <michaelcullen> Well balls, turns out that this old R400 is an Active Digitizer model
[01:42] <michaelcullen> And came minus the stylus, which means I can't configure it in the event that they find one at a later date lol
[01:45] <CodeMouse92> NM...I figured it out. I don't *actually* need to use a random number generator. According to #letsencrypt, I can just pick something.
[01:48] <drose379> Hey guys, I'm wondering how window managers handle cursor clicks
[01:48] <drose379> How do they decide what was clicked on the display?
[01:48] <drose379> Is there a coordinate system?
[01:51] <drose379> I'm just trying to picture how everything works
[01:52] <qengho> drose379: "cursor clicks"?
[01:52] <drose379> Yeah, like user input
[01:52] <drose379> Mosue click
[01:52] <drose379> qengho: ^
[01:52] <michaelcullen> X server wizardry
[01:53] <drose379> Could you explain a bit?
[01:53] <michaelcullen> The little gremlins that live in Xorg, who used to live in XFree86, follow your cursor around
[01:54] <michaelcullen> Honestly I'm not actually sure these days, things have changed so much on the X side of things
[01:54] <drose379> michaelcullen: if we keep it basic, is there a grid system?
[01:54] <michaelcullen> As far as I'm aware, it's literally just X and Y positions
[01:54] <qengho> drose379: The window manager know where it put windows. It renders the pointer. With every movement and click, it test the known x/y of the pointer with the rectangles it set as the windows' boundaries.
[01:54] <michaelcullen> Based on your screen resolution
[01:54] <qengho> drose379: run "xev"
[01:55] <blahdeblah> qengho: +1
[01:55] <drose379> michaelcullen: so the window manager keeps track of.. all open window positions
[01:55] <michaelcullen> Ooooh that's a nice tool, hadn't seen that one before
[01:55] <michaelcullen> xeyes is fun as well
[01:56] <michaelcullen> drose379, in addition to actually drawing them as well, yeah
[01:56] <drose379> michaelcullen: does it also keep track of cursor position?
[01:56] <michaelcullen> These days they also handle composition for hardware acceleration, and then hook back into the X server
[01:57] <drose379> WM keeps track of cursor position also?
[01:57] <michaelcullen> ... I THINK so. Although I could be wrong, since in the olden days even if your WM crashed, you'd still have a pointer just running in your X11 client
[01:57] <drose379> Hmm
[01:58] <michaelcullen> But I'm not sure whether the X client handles hardware input and passes it to the WM, or whether the WM directly hooks the hardware layer
[01:58] <drose379> Lets just assume the WM ends up with click event info
[01:58] <drose379> And knows the position of all open windows
[01:58] <drose379> When the WM receives a click event, what happens?
[01:59] <michaelcullen> I would assume it checks boundaries, then performs an appropriate action
[01:59] <michaelcullen> Based on trigger areas and offsets etc
[01:59] <qengho> drose379: It puts a event in the event buffer for the window program to read and interpret.
[01:59] <drose379> An appropriate action may be... passing that click event to the application running in the window?
[02:00] <michaelcullen> Yeah, which would likely be through hooks into GTK/QT
[02:00] <drose379> Pretty much what qengho just said ^
[02:00] <drose379> Ok, so I think we are all on the same page about that
[02:00] <drose379> Now what about when you hook in a second monitor
[02:00] <qengho> Not relevant.
[02:00] <drose379> Why?
[02:00] <qengho> It's just more X
[02:01] <drose379> More space on the x axis you mean?
[02:01] <qengho> Yep.
[02:01] <drose379> And the WM keeps track of this?
[02:01] <qengho> Yes.
[02:01] <qengho> Er, no
[02:01] <qengho> THe x server does.
[02:01] <drose379> No?
[02:01] <drose379> What exactly is X server?
[02:02] <michaelcullen> qengho, so WM still takes its inputs from X client and server like in the olden days?
[02:02] <michaelcullen> Even with composition?
[02:02] <michaelcullen> That's the bit I wasn't sure about, myself
[02:02] <qengho> Its the thing telling the window manager about the properties of the display, and giving the clients like your web browser, a place to send info about what they look like.
[02:02] <drose379> So it provides a WM everything it needs to know?
[02:03] <qengho> With composition, there's an extra layer, but it doesn't change anything except that clients draw more often.
[02:03] <michaelcullen> Ahhh right
[02:03] <michaelcullen> X server also handles output to the display itself, right?
[02:03] <qengho> Yes.
[02:03] <qengho> Your X server could be an etch-a-sketch.
[02:03] <drose379> So does the WM tell the x server what to output?
[02:05] <drose379> Now I'm just unsure of what the WM does
[02:05] <qengho> drose379: Think of this way. It used to be clients --data--> x-server-interface. Now compositors pretend to be the x server, and they themselves act like x clients to the REAL x server.
[02:06] <michaelcullen> I miss GDI :(
[02:06] <drose379> Clients --> Data
[02:06] <drose379> What is that "Data" ?
[02:06] <qengho> The arrow is data.
[02:06] <k1l> drose379: that whole topic is very komplex. and the old x-server got a lot of security issues with that (like what window can read what key and mouse inputs etc) that they try to make better with wayland/mir. but in general its a grid with x and y and the WM does the magic of making the click becoming a command.
[02:06] <qengho> The arrow is data about what to drat=w.
[02:06] <qengho> draw
[02:07] <drose379> So x-server sees everything as a grid
[02:07] <michaelcullen> Here, this should make you feel worse: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/The_Linux_Graphics_Stack_and_glamor.svg
[02:07] <drose379> Please no
[02:07] <k1l> drose379: and its not relevant how many monitors you got. its always just one big resolution of x and y
[02:07] <drose379> Haha
[02:07] <michaelcullen> Much, much worse :P
[02:07] <drose379> So lets say I have a single monitor
[02:07] <drose379> Just my main display
[02:08] <drose379> What does the job of creating a grid on top of it
[02:08] <drose379> x-server?
[02:08] <qengho> x-server.
[02:08] <k1l> drose379: is there a support issue behind that? (or are we doing someones homwork :X )
[02:08] <drose379> No man this just hit me today
[02:08] <michaelcullen> Unless you're running remote X
[02:08] <drose379> And I was like damn, I literally have no idea how this seeminly basic thing works
[02:08] <michaelcullen> In which case your remote X client also grids it up, the syncs with X server
[02:08] <drose379> Now I've had a headache all day trying to figure it out
[02:09] <drose379> Ok, so x-server creates a grid
[02:09] <drose379> And it receives a click at (x,y)
[02:09] <drose379> Now, it passes that Click object with the x,y args to the WM
[02:10] <drose379> WM says "ok, this click occured on this window, which happens to be Google Chrome"
[02:10] <drose379> So, it passes that click to a buffer, which google chrome then picks up and processes as a click?
[02:10] <michaelcullen> Basically
[02:10] <qengho> After it gets an event at a position looks at its list of windows, and sends that event into the connection that window's client has open.
[02:10] <drose379> Perfect
[02:10] <ubuntu281> hey everyone
[02:11] <drose379> That does make sense
[02:11] <michaelcullen> Howdy 281
[02:11] <drose379> So now, I hook up another display
[02:11] <drose379> What tells x-server to re-calibrate its grid?
[02:11] <qengho> drose379: Yes. That enlarges the space of the grid, but that's all.
[02:11] <michaelcullen> Modprobe maybe?
[02:12] <k1l> drose379: the hardware driver makes an event.
[02:12] <drose379> And x-server actually pushes the output to the new display?
[02:12] <michaelcullen> You used to have to change your XFree86 config file, these days it's all more or less automatic
[02:12] <k1l> drose379: from that there will be the new resolution, which is just a bigger grid now.
[02:12] <drose379> So its all just one big grid for x-server
[02:12] <k1l> drose379: basically: xserver and the video driver.
[02:13] <michaelcullen> Guys, should we tell him about Xinerama? :P
[02:13] <ubuntu281> i have a question about editing /etc/openvpn/server.conf its not there do i create a blank and edit the rules from there and save it then do i run the conf file or does it work automatic
[02:13] <qengho> ubuntu281: Thank you for saving us from this interminable topic.
[02:13] <michaelcullen> :D
[02:14] <michaelcullen> Do you know what drove me away from Linux like, 15 years ago? X.
[02:14] <drose379> I actually think I get it now though
[02:15] <drose379> Can I explain to you guys what I think is correct, and you guys can either pass or fail me?
[02:15] <k1l> drose379: didnt we agree already how it works?
[02:15] <drose379> I just wanna go over it once and for all
[02:15] <drose379> So I can put my mind at rest about it
[02:16] <ubuntu281> topic change is good evem tho my question is about openvpn
[02:16] <michaelcullen> £20 says he has a sadistic university lecturer who has set him the task of explaining the X11 stack
[02:16] <drose379> I dont I dont
[02:17] <drose379> I'm just stuck on this today for some reason, wont be able to let it go until I feel I know how it works
[02:17] <qengho> ubuntu281: You don't "run the configuration file". That part doesn't make sense. But, you can start openvpn if it's not running, or if it's running you can send a signal to the running openvpn to ask it to read the configuration again.
[02:17] <michaelcullen> You've pretty much got it, if it helps
[02:17] <k1l> drose379: i guess the guys in #xorg will help you out on the details. this is quite out of the scope of this channel if we keep repeating it or go any deeper.
[02:19] <qengho> ubuntu281: I'm not sure about the file name you mentioned, there. You should have a reason for that name.
[02:19] <qengho> ubuntu281: I do'nt know openvpn enough to say.
[02:20] <ubuntu281> gengho: i can get on just fine but my connection drops after inavtivity so i found a fix the said adding a line to /etc/openvpn/client.conf adding the line 'keepalive 10 120' seems to do the trick for most people but i already created this file and left vpn idel and still fail
[02:21] <qengho> ubuntu281: I see. Okay, let's assume that advice is good, for the moment. If you stop your VPN and start it again, that should be enough.
[02:22] <ubuntu281> gengho: so i was thinking a command like --interactive client.conf command like debian
[02:22] <qengho> ubuntu281: changing the file and waiting isnt't enough. It only reads that file on start or upon geting a "HUP" signal.
[02:22] <michaelcullen> Is the Ubuntu Software app ONLY supposed to show you stuff that's already installed?
[02:22] <k1l> michaelcullen: no
[02:23] <michaelcullen> Okay, got an issue here then haha
[02:23] <ubuntu281> gengho: so making the file and restarting it would have the file on start and i could run openvpn without losing connection
[02:24] <ubuntu281> well rebooting
[02:24] <qengho> ubuntu281: rebooting is extreme, but that's fine.
[02:24] <michaelcullen> Any idea why it might not be showing me anything outside of what's already installed? And before you ask, yes, I'm on the "All" tab ;P
[02:24] <qengho> ubuntu281: I can't comment on the accuracy of the advice you got.
[02:25] <qengho> michaelcullen: open a terminal and run "sudo apt update". Look for errors.
[02:25] <michaelcullen> qengho, no errors, still nothing showing up in Ubuntu Software
[02:26] <ubuntu281> gengho: well i guess ill give it a test run now and see if it losses connect  but to be a 100% im using arch linux and the advice is at the very bottom of the page https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/OpenVPN
[02:26] <michaelcullen> Fetches all the package lists from the repositories fine
[02:27]  * qengho shrugs.
[02:28] <FuzzySockets> "Cannot add PPA: 'ppa:nginx/stable'" -- anyone know why this would happen every few times I run it on a fresh machine?
[02:28] <ubuntu281> gengho: thanks for the info so i dont need to run a .conf file it just uses it
[02:28] <FuzzySockets> "Please check that the PPA name or format is correct."
[02:28] <ubuntu281> gengho: a cheap fix might be leaving this chat running haha
[02:31] <k1l> FuzzySockets: run a "apt update" before?
[02:31] <qengho> k1l: no
[02:32] <k1l> FuzzySockets: and make sure the network works. especially if there are proxies or vpns involved. or firewalls filtering
[02:32] <qengho> FuzzySockets: if your machine can't read the descripton off launchpad's web site, you get something like that.
[02:32] <FuzzySockets> k1l http://imgur.com/a/m8R0x before and after actually -- is any of this redundant? I put both before and it installed an earlier nginx version
[02:33] <qengho> FuzzySockets: "apt policy nginx"
[02:33] <FuzzySockets> qengho: what is that?
[02:34] <qengho> FuzzySockets: debug your package policy. Open a Terminal and run that.
[02:34] <FuzzySockets> qengho "invalid operation policy"
[02:35] <michaelcullen> On LTS releases, should I be running apt-get upgrade, or apt-get dist-upgrade?
[02:35] <qengho> FuzzySockets: That must be an old Ubuntu. Fine "apt-cache policy nginx"
[02:35] <k1l> michaelcullen: apt-get upgrade doesnt install all updates.
[02:35] <Ben64> michaelcullen: not LTS specific, but you should always be doing dist-upgrade
[02:36] <michaelcullen> So LTS is just a separate repository?
[02:36] <k1l> michaelcullen: no
[02:36] <Ben64> michaelcullen: LTS is just a version of ubuntu with Long Term Support
[02:36] <k1l> michaelcullen: LTS is a specific ubuntu release. every 2 years there is a LTS
[02:36] <michaelcullen> Yeah, but what I mean is, dist-upgrade won't push you from 16.04, say, to 16.10
[02:37] <Ben64> michaelcullen: it does't ever change versions of ubuntu
[02:37] <k1l> michaelcullen: it will never push you to another ubuntu release. ubuntu uses update-manager or do-release-upgrade to go to new releases. not apt
[02:37] <michaelcullen> Ahhh right, cheers :)
[02:37] <michaelcullen> I'm more used to rolling releases these days
[02:38] <k1l> michaelcullen: better use the new "apt" command. it doesnt use the old "dist-upgrade" wording which confuses some users
[02:38] <michaelcullen> Ooooh
[02:38]  * michaelcullen Googles
[02:39] <qengho> michaelcullen: "dist-upgrade" is a bad  verb. It lets a upgrade drag in a new package you don't have yet.
[02:39] <k1l> but will be again 50 years until people will use apt instead of apt-get. like it still confuses people that back in the very old days one usesd apt to do the version upgrades on debian.
[02:39] <qengho> Okay. I'm out.
[02:40] <michaelcullen> k1l, could be worse, I still remember having to manually install RPMs on RH 5.0
[02:40] <orlock> michaelcullen: dependency hell before yum
[02:40] <michaelcullen> Indeed
[02:40] <orlock> michaelcullen: ever try to compile E back then?
[02:40] <michaelcullen> E16 or E17? ;P
[02:41] <michaelcullen> Managing to get the old alpha running was like a badge of honor haha
[02:43] <tatertots> 1
[02:44] <tatertots> grr i hate dns sometimes, but when it's configured right i love it
[02:46] <michaelcullen> Well if it wasn't for DNS, we'd all be trying to remember 198.41.208.138 whenever we sat down at a new machine
[02:46] <meggercat> trying to download EA Origin for Sims 3 game download. Any suggestions?
[02:46] <michaelcullen> Well actually, not that, was supposed to be Reddit's IP, but they're Cloudflare'd
[02:47] <michaelcullen> meggercat, EA? Try bending over a bit more?
[02:47] <meggercat> huh? Really though.
[02:47] <michaelcullen> In all seriousness, you're going to need something like Wine to use as a wrapper
[02:48] <meggercat> michaelcullen, I have tried that first thing.
[02:48] <michaelcullen> No luck with it? :(
[02:48] <meggercat> michaelcullen, no nothing. I downloaded playonlinux as recommended by various online sources
[02:49] <avis-> i hear that ahr3c guy falsifies truths about me in references to how he treats others based on his initials
[02:49] <michaelcullen> Yeah, I was just going to suggest that
[02:49] <avis-> through suggestion as such
[02:50] <meggercat> i know I could get the game going if I could bypass the origin download
[02:50] <michaelcullen> avis-, hmm... thought you were a bot for a second there
[02:50] <michaelcullen> meggercat, do you already own the game?
[02:51] <avis-> just as i stated before thats all this network does when i have a complaint.  accuse me of being a bot
[02:51] <meggercat> michaelcullen, I have the original sims on disk, download version of sims 3
[02:51] <michaelcullen> meggercat, in that case, there's always... alternative means of getting a disc version of Sims 3
[02:51] <michaelcullen> Might have better luck that way
[02:51] <yoshifan> I am having a problem playing back music in Rhythmbox
[02:52] <michaelcullen> avis-, that comment just came completely out of nowhere, and out of context, so I was confused lol
[02:52] <meggercat> michaelcullen, alternative ways? just trying to order the disk you mean?
[02:52] <yoshifan> When I right click my music file and go to Open With > RhythmBox, it opens but doesn't do anything
[02:52] <michaelcullen> meggercat, I was very softly implying piracy
[02:52] <michaelcullen> Since you already own the game, I'd say it was a moral gray area
[02:52] <yoshifan> Then when I hit play, it says "Couldn't start playback (null)"
[02:53] <meggercat> michaelcullen, after what i've been though today I am not shunning it
[02:53] <michaelcullen> ;P
[02:53] <CarlFK> apt --assume-yes ... "E: Command line option --assume-yes is not understood"  that worked with apt-get, what is the apt version?
[02:53] <meggercat> michaelcullen, is it horrible to ask for suggestions?
[02:53] <michaelcullen> But yeah, there's actually a guide for Sims 3, Ubuntu, and PlayOnLinux using the CD/DVD version here: http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2014/11/how-to-install-and-play-sims-3-using.html
[02:54] <meggercat> michaelcullen, this is the exact tutorial ive been playing with.
[02:55] <sarbojit> folks, anyone kind enough to help me decide on QEMU or vbox ?
[02:55] <meggercat> michaelcullen, the issue is Origin in order to download the game
[02:55] <m5w> Hello. I'm having some trouble with my GeForce 940M on Xubuntu 16.04. When I used nvidia-361, X would crash whenever I logged out and at other random times. I realized my card had Optimus, so I tried using Bumblebee per the instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee#Setup_for_14.04_and_later. This appeared to work; however, when running applications with optirun for long enough, X would crash, and I
[02:55] <m5w> would be forced to power-cycle the laptop. I am now trying to use Bumblebee with nouveau, but whenever I try to use optirun, I receive the following error message: Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) Failed to load module "mouse" (module does not exist, 0)
[02:56] <michaelcullen> meggercat, PM'd you
[02:56] <m5w> Any help getting any of the setups working would be appreciated
[02:58] <yoshifan> Should I try purging and reinstalling Rhythmbox?
[03:00] <m5w> Integrated graphics are working fine, though
[03:05] <neldogz> Hi all, I am trying to get psensors to see my CPU fan. My motherboard carries a nuvoTon NCT6793D chip that can detect the fan speeds so I tried to load the driver for it using modprobe -v nct6775 but psensor still doesn't see the fans.
[03:08] <Bashing-om> m5w: Nvidia recommends the 367 version driver : http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/105343/en-us . That driver is available from our trusted PPA for release 16.04 .
[03:08] <m5w> Bashing-om: thanks, will try it
[03:08] <m5w> have tried 364
[03:08] <m5w> btw, about the issue earlier: thanks for the help; it was a BIOS bug
[03:09] <yoshifan> Update about my Rhythmbox bug, I can play music if it is on my desktop. Is this a permissions issue?
[03:09] <Bashing-om> m5w: K. You are aware that BumbleBee, the present driver .. and the xorg.conf file will have to be removed prior to the new install., right ?
[03:11] <Bashing-om> m5w: A bios buf .. we kinda thought might be a bios issue .
[03:11] <m5w> Bashing-om: I keep logs of all my installs, so I'll just purge everything I've installed in reverse. Are you suggesting I install only install nvidia-367 or that with bumblebee, bumblebee-nvidia, etc. ?
[03:12] <Bashing-om> m5w: I bet ya get better results with nvidia-prime rather than BumbleBee to control the graphic's sets .
[03:13] <m5w> Bashing-om: Yes, I install prime. was just clarifying to install all those packages as opposed to exclusively the nvidia driver
[03:14] <Bashing-om> m5w: https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa ; purge what is now .. and I expect when you installl the 367 driver, the install will also include nvidia-prime .
[03:15] <m5w> Bashing-om: ``purge what is now .." ?
[03:17] <Bashing-om> m5w: ^^ as anove .. the current driver, BumbleBee and /etc/X11/Xorg.conf ,
[03:17] <Bashing-om> above*
[03:18] <saitoh183> trying to run a apt-get purge php7.0-common but it wants to remove lots of stuff  http://paste.ubuntu.com/20133715/
[03:24] <Bashing-om> m5w: Are you comfortable doing this ??
[03:24] <m5w> Bashing-om: yes, but currently debugging a java program, so not doing it at the moment
[03:25] <Madhumper69> I had a ubuntu external drive mapped as a z: drive in windows, but had to format windows and now i cant add the correct path . ubuntu server local ip   //10.0.0.68 /media/storage
[03:25] <Bashing-om> m5w: :)
[03:25] <Madhumper69> \\10.0.0.68\media\ ****
[03:29] <unicornjedi> hey. What is good software for administrating ubuntu server? something like webmin?
[03:29] <unicornjedi> im like a newb
[03:30] <nthrow> bash
[03:31] <unicornjedi> nthrow: :(
[03:31] <nthrow> why? ot
[03:31] <nthrow> ot
[03:31] <nthrow> it's not complex
[03:31] <kells> hello
[03:31] <unicornjedi> is that a middle finger
[03:31] <nthrow> no it's me typoing repeating after six fingers of scotch.
[03:31] <nthrow> seriously tho, why not bash?
[03:31] <nthrow> what are you trying to do?
[03:32] <Hydr0p0nX> whiskey for me nthrow, but I'm pickin up what your puttin down
[03:32] <unicornjedi> lol nthrow. I just want to control my server through my web browser rather than ssh
[03:32] <nthrow> Hydr0p0nX: scotch is a whiskey too. :P
[03:32] <nthrow> unicornjedi: what is your webserver running?
[03:33] <unicornjedi> nthrow: nothing lol. I literally set up my ubuntu server today. I havent messed with ubuntu server for two years so im like lost
[03:33] <unicornjedi> im skimming through ubuntu manual and its still confusing
[03:34] <nthrow> say you're running a wordpress then. you just need to know vhost syntax, apachectl, and how to import and export mysql dbs.
[03:34] <nthrow> that's maybe six hours of study.
[03:35] <nthrow> and i'm slow. :P
[03:35] <unicornjedi> oh gawd
[03:35] <unicornjedi> is drupal 8 good?
[03:35] <unicornjedi> which web content manager do you like?
[03:35] <nthrow> what is a web content manager?
[03:35] <nthrow> it sounds like you're overcomplicating it.
[03:35] <saitoh183> trying to run a apt-get purge php7.0-common but it wants to remove lots of stuff  http://paste.ubuntu.com/20133715/ .. how can i just remove/reinstall php7.0-common
[03:36] <unicornjedi> nthrow: yep :| im a white dude. thats what white people do lol
[03:36] <nthrow> https://askubuntu.com/questions/173992/how-do-i-remove-only-one-specific-package-with-apt-get
[03:36] <nthrow> unicornjedi: sounds like you're victimizing yourself.
[03:37] <saitoh183> nthrow, thanks :)
[03:37] <nthrow> np saitoh183
[03:37] <nthrow> unicornjedi: 80% of shit is knowing how to write a google query
[03:37] <unicornjedi> nthrow: i think i have my answer...
[03:37] <nthrow> no one can remember it all. this is the most complication thing people ever built.
[03:37] <nthrow> s/ion/ed/
[03:38] <unicornjedi> nthrow: ajenti and zentyal sound good.
[03:38] <unicornjedi> yay research
[03:38] <nthrow> if it works for you.
[03:38] <unicornjedi> i hope so. I hope its easy to install too
[03:38] <nthrow> but seriously familiarity with bash and CLI approaches is the long-term solution.
[03:38] <nthrow> any website is a webserver, a database, and a interpreter of some sort.
[03:38] <nthrow> the latter is irrelevant unless you're into development.
[03:39] <nthrow> apache is a standard. to be familiar, you just need to know httpd.conf and vhost configurations.
[03:42] <paranoidabhi> how can I remove something(files,folders) from bash to make it end-up in trash.
[03:44] <paranoidabhi> the rm removes it completely
[03:49] <saitoh183> ok...if i want to remove php7.0 completely so i can reinstall sudo dpkg --remove php7.0 or sudo dpkg --remove --force-depends php7.0 . I tried to just reinstall just php7.0-common but i get tones of "WARNING: Module sysvshm ini file doesn't exist under /etc/php/7.0/mods-available" "Not replacing deleted config file /etc/php/7.0/mods-available/..."
[03:52] <celery_> dare i unlock my kernel from 3.13 on a gigabyte brix?
[04:01] <Blue1> I did a fresh install of xubuntu.  When I click on a link in thunderbird, it moves firefox from one desktop, into the thunderbird desktop.  How do I stop that?
[04:09] <Blue1> This resolved it.
[04:09] <Blue1> forums.org/showthread.php?t=1967499
[04:10] <Blue1> crimany -- https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1967499
[04:12] <guest-VcEFUS_> saitoh183: use apt instead of dpkg... # sudo apt-get purge php7.0*
[04:26] <m5w> Bashing-om: going to install: bumblebee bumblebee-nvidia linux-headers-generic nvidia-367 primus
[04:26] <m5w> that look right?
[04:27] <guest-VcEFUS_> m5w: yap
[04:28] <Bashing-om> m5w: Well .. should work .. But I stand by my suggestion of  nvidia-prime .
[04:28] <m5w> ah, yeah, noticed it's not installing prim
[04:29] <m5w> s/prim/&e
[04:29] <m5w> I can revert this easily. What packages would you recommend
[04:29] <m5w> The guide is 14.04 and later, so the documentation might be a bit outdated . . .
[04:29] <guest-VcEFUS_> m5w: just checked my bash_history.. i installed nvidia-drivers via additional drivers and then installed # apt install bumblebee* primus
[04:31] <m5w> guest-VcEFUS_, what version of the nvidia driver do you have?
[04:32] <guest-VcEFUS_> m5w: nvidia-361 from ppa:neon1ks/bumblebee
[04:33] <m5w> guest-VcEFUS_: and no X crashes?
[04:34] <guest-VcEFUS_> m5w: nope
[04:34] <m5w> my X would crash whenever I logged out with nvidia-361
[04:34] <m5w> but I didn't have bumblebee at the time, so who knows
[04:34] <m5w> okay, going for reboot
[04:34] <guest-VcEFUS_> have phun :-D
[04:34] <m5w> I'll optirun something in the background and see if I crash
[04:35] <m5w> is there a way I can boot ro ?
[04:35] <m5w> so I don't end up with orphaned innodes
[04:35] <m5w> boot ro into X, that is
[04:35] <m5w> I've done it with init=/bin/bash, but that's kind of nasty
[04:35] <m5w> and doesn't let me do anything with X or course
[04:36] <m5w> eh, I'll /probably/ be fine
[04:44] <m5w> lol, X is just a black screen now
[04:44] <m5w> ttys work though :)
[04:44] <m5w> and I can't even kill it
[04:44] <m5w> so, I'm not sure how to restart without power-cycling . . .
[04:47] <m5w> How do I kill an unresponsive process?
[04:48] <m5w> it just keeps blocking
[04:49] <Guy1524_> is it possible to install amd vulkan drivers on a ps4 w/ ubuntu?
[04:50] <Guy1524_> it would be interesting see how well vulkan does compared to gcm
[04:50] <Guy1524_> (in doom of course)
[04:50] <m5w> wow; this is pathetic!
[04:51] <m5w> I tried adding i915 and bbswitch to /etc/modules
[04:51] <m5w> and systemctl enable bumblebeed
[04:51] <m5w> still no luck
[04:51] <m5w> X is just black and _completely_ unresponsive
[04:51] <m5w> no way to kill it
[04:51] <m5w> I guess I'll try with nvidia-361
[05:01] <nv_> Hi. Is there a list somewhere of computers that fully support linux? I don't mean they support linux if you have a degree in computer science, I mean they are truly open, I can plug in an ubuntu cd or usb and install without problems. Today I gave back my lenovo ideapad, told them to keep it and the windows system it comes with. It has uefi boot nazi which prevents access to basically anything except windows and windows reset. I think it is important to know which
[05:01] <nv_>  manufacturer actively supports linux so I don't make an ass out of myself if I recommend Ubuntu.
[05:06] <cyberdp> hi
[05:07] <saigel> @nv_: Why don't you turn UEFI off?
[05:09] <nv_> I did. The only thing that worked was gparted disk. I tried various 64bit installations, but no joy. In all the old computers, I just stick it in and it works and if I was in a hurry, I would use puppylinux which I could set up in minutes.
[05:09] <saigel> @nv_: system76 prides themselves on specifically catering to the Linux gang.
[05:10] <nv_> system76? Is that a manufacturer? A brand? I have never seen them anywhere.
[05:11] <saigel> http://www.system76.com
[05:12] <nv_> thanks. I will have a look. I will not buy or recommend brands that do not fully support linux.
[05:12] <saigel> I don't own one. My son told me about them. He wants one. They're a little more expensive than the cheap brands though. But they say you get what you pay for...
[05:13] <nv_> Well, I just gave back a 1900Yuan laptop and I wasted days trying to get it going.
[05:13] <Stolio> Ouch :/
[05:13] <nv_> So I don't think it can be that expensive to buy something that represents freedom and that you can actually use. Ha..ha..
[05:16] <elias_a> nv_: "Fully support" is a half way expression especially becausa firmware is not open source.
[05:17] <nv_> Well, if I can plug and play without a computer degree, I consider it 'fully supported' he..he...
[05:17] <elias_a> nv_: Of course there are differences and even open firmware devices. I have never played with such a thing, though.
[05:19] <elias_a> nv_: Is it laptop you are looking for?
[05:22] <nv_> I was looking for a small tablet with keybord so I don't have to carry myself to death, the lenovo ideapad was nice, but Windows...... so now I will just have to wait until next year, ha..ha.. I have checked out the website, they look good, but are quite expensive and very far away from me. Not worth the hassle trying to buy online and import etc.
[05:22] <m5w> Bashing-om: Okay, so nvidia-367 didn't work at all. X was completely unresponsive such that power cycling was the only option to restart.
[05:23] <elias_a> nv_: Where do you live?
[05:23] <m5w> Bashing-om: 361 with bumblebee is no better than without; X crashes upon logout
[05:24] <m5w> Bashing-om: 364 with bumblebee is the best of the ones I've tried; it lets me use my system normally, and I can even use my GPU for a few minutes before my system completely freezes
[05:24] <nv_> I am currently in the PRC .
[05:24] <elias_a> As People's Republic of China?
[05:24] <m5w> I think the less to learn here is don't buy from nVidia again . . .
[05:24] <Bashing-om> m5w: All I can suggest is to abandon BumbleBee, wipe the graphic's and re-install . All I know to do .
[05:24] <nv_> Yes.
[05:25] <Triffid_Hunter> nv_: I'm in PRC at the moment too, but using a Dell laptop from 2008 that runs linux beautifully, apart from fingerprint scanner not being supported because dell won't tell anyone how it works
[05:25] <m5w> I wonder if it's a /GPU/ BIOS issue . . .
[05:25] <m5w> but I'm not willing to risk updating my BIOS to a version the updates the GPU's BIOS, as there might be another bug that makes Linux completely unusable again
[05:26] <elias_a> nv_: I have heard that there's a huge variety of linux friendly devices because of Red Flag Linux distro.
[05:26] <m5w> unless I have a solid method to downgrade
[05:26] <nv_> Yes, older things do work. I like dell.
[05:26] <m5w> and Acer's BIOS upgrade software is terrible
[05:26] <elias_a> nv_: I'd ask around from local Linux enthusiasts.
[05:26] <m5w> my antivirus quarantines it; I run it, and then it crashes
[05:27] <m5w> then upon reboot the screen flashes about 50 times as the fan revs up and down and I think the thing is bricked by the official software, and then it finally boots normally
[05:27] <m5w> heaven forbid the company just let users flash the BIOS with a flash drive. No; how terrible
[05:28] <nv_> I am trying online, because if what happened to me happens to other people, I can see Microsoft winning the fight and the end of linux pretty soon if we do not have reliable information on which devices are plug and play linux and which are not.
[05:28] <elias_a> nv_: Laptops I've bough with my own money have always been Thinkpads because of 1) titanium chassis and 2) linux friendliness and 3) trackpoint mouse. :)
[05:29] <nv_> I have an old lenovo laptop and with each new Ubuntu, it just gets quicker and especially with the last update it is running like crazy, but it is too big to carry around.
[05:29] <elias_a> nv_: Oh, you are quite right in that! And if you can spare the extra price it is a good thing to rupport such a manufacturer.
[05:30] <elias_a> nv_: So basically a pad with a proper keyboard?
[05:30] <guest-VcEFUS_> m5w: what about xorg.0.log?
[05:31] <nv_> Yes. That little lenovo was really good, but honestly with Windows on your computer it just feels morally wrong. I just gave it back.
[05:31] <m5w> guest-VcEFUS_: I have no reliable way of pasting that right now, as X could bring my whole system down at any random moment, but I'll take a look
[05:32] <elias_a> nv_: I'll ask around a little. It is still early morning for nerds in Finland so it'll probably take some time. :P
[05:33] <nv_> I am not sure what Ubuntu has done with their software, but my laptop is really much faster and more responsive than before. Do they perhaps sell laptops and things? I need an Ubuntu store on the corner, ha..ha...
[05:33] <m5w> guest-VcEFUS_: the interesting thing is: no errors . . .
[05:33] <guest-VcEFUS_> m5w: apt install pastebinit
[05:33] <jack354> hello
[05:33] <elias_a> nv_: I know some people who where involved in Meego tablet project years ago and they have been following the scene.
[05:34] <elias_a> nv_: AFAIK they actualy sell or at least have sold Ubuntu computers.
[05:35] <nv_> Honestly, the only negative experience I had with Ubuntu was the "Apport thing" that just instantly gave me the feeling of Microsoft. I will try to find a store somewhere.
[05:35] <m5w> guest-VcEFUS_: paste.ubuntu.com/20144079
[05:35] <orlock> i want a "new" N900 :-(
[05:35] <orlock> i miss my old one
[05:35] <m5w> is Xorg.0.log.old
[05:35] <m5w> guest-VcEFUS_: paste.ubuntu.com/20144132
[05:35] <m5w> is Xorg.0.log
[05:36] <nv_> Thanks elias. I have to go.
[05:37] <m5w> guest-VcEFUS_: I've also added i915 and bbswitch to /etc/modules, set Driver=nvidia in /etc/bumblebee/bumblebee.conf, and replaced all occurrences of nvidia-current with nvidia-361 in that same file.
[05:37] <m5w> and run systemctl enable bumblebeed
[05:42] <tykayn> hi folks
[05:42] <tykayn> i have an issue with my google chrome install, i have an adware on it and i cannot open the extensions config page
[05:42] <tykayn> how can i fix that?
[05:45] <Guy1524_> is it possible to assign a keyboard and mouse to an application or monitor
[05:45] <Triffid_Hunter> tykayn: I'd have a dig in the settings dir, probably ~/.config/chrome or similar
[05:45] <orlock> eh
[05:45] <orlock> heya Triffid_Hunter
[05:45] <orlock> stop following me ;)
[05:45] <Triffid_Hunter> orlock: I've been here ages, you're following me :P
[05:46] <tykayn> mmk Triffid_Hunter, i see a lot of files in there  ~/.config/google-chrome
[05:46] <guest-VcEFUS_> m5w: both logs show 361.. is that correct?! and no crash nothing... how did u install those drivers? via apt/dpkg or "Additional Drivers"?
[05:47] <nv_> https://www.unixmen.com/top-5-ubuntu-pre-installed-laptop-companies/ I have found this link. Perhaps this is the answer to my question about supported pcs.
[05:47] <guest-VcEFUS_> Guy1524_: u can run another x :-)
[05:47] <Triffid_Hunter> tykayn: well you could simply rename or delete that whole directory which would return your chrome to stock settings
[05:47] <Triffid_Hunter> tykayn: then selectively re-import things like bookmarks if you want them
[05:48] <Guy1524_> guest-VcEFUS_: ahh, that stinks, can I run an application in a container and feed it seperate mouse and keyboard input?
[05:48] <Guy1524_> actually is this something that could be solved w/ mir?
[05:48] <Guy1524_> btw, does anyone know if ubuntu will be able to use wayland?
[05:49] <k1l> Guy1524_: it will be.
[05:49] <Guy1524_> k1l: awesome, w/ unity 7 or 8?
[05:50] <guest-VcEFUS_> Guy1524_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultiseatX ?
[05:50] <Guy1524_> guest-VcEFUS_: thanks
[05:50] <k1l> unity 7 is xorg. maybe that will work with xWayland. unity8 is MIR only. but if you want unity, you want MIR anyway. so that question is not really an issue
[05:51] <Guy1524_> k1l: so there are no plans of porting unity 7 to wayland or mir?
[05:51] <k1l> Guy1524_: why?
[05:51] <Guy1524_> k1l: because I like unity 7 lol
[05:51] <k1l> they are making (and on the phone and tablet already using) unity8 for Mir.
[05:52] <k1l> Guy1524_: for the user there should not be any difference between unity on xorg and unity8 on mir.
[05:52] <Guy1524_> unity 8 from what Ive seen looks like this weird mix between a tablet DE and a desktop DE
[05:52] <Guy1524_> oh ok
[05:52] <k1l> that is because you have seen it on tablets and phones.
[05:53] <Guy1524_> so on desktop its just like unity 7?
[05:53] <he1kki> Hi guys! Starting to feel that "systemctl daemon-reload" is one huge pitfall after configuration changes. My suggestion is that configuration files should be read automatically when services are restarted
[05:53] <k1l> that is the plan. just without all that old xorg security and driver issues.
[05:54] <Guy1524_> k1l: ok awesome, thanks for the info
[05:56] <guest-VcEFUS_> Guy1524_: just checked, that i could passthrough my usb-dev into my vivanti-docker-container.... worked with my webcam....
[05:57] <rajivmars> I have just installed "office 2007" through wine. everytime after opening "ms word" when i am trying to close it, it shows this error ; "this feature requires MSXML 5.0 to be properly installed. Run setup and click repair to restore this component.
[05:57] <rajivmars> Anybody please try to solve it.
[05:57] <Guy1524_> guest-VcEFUS_: wow, Ill have to try that out tommorow, I g2g to bed soon lol
[05:57] <Ben64> !appdb | rajivmars
[05:58] <rajivmars> ubottu: ok.
[05:59] <guest-VcEFUS_> Guy1524_: something like this is a good start... # docker run -t -i --device=/dev/$whatever_usb_dev ubuntu bash
[06:00] <Guy1524_> guest-VcEFUS_: thanks
[06:06] <creep> hi peps
[06:07] <kraiskil> I installed 16.04, and the sound system looks pretty strange, coming from 14.04. Does anyone have a pointer to some docs on what changed? Especially, why does 'arecord -L' show a null and two pulse audio devices?
[06:07] <creep> I need to install python-wxgtk2.8 to run pronterface problerly. If I run python-wxgtk3.0 it is causing issues
[06:07] <creep> How can I install a old paket
[06:12] <m5w> guest-VcEFUS_: via apt-get install nvidia-361
[06:14] <guest-VcEFUS_> m5w: hihi, this didnt work here, too... remove/purge all nvidia-packages and use "Additional Drivers" and apt install bumblebee* and primus
[06:14] <rajivmars> "sudo apt-get clean" " sudo apt-get --download-only install winehq-devel " "sudo apt-get --download-only dist-upgrade". I would mention these three commands for installing wine. I thought,  that  the command "sudo apt-get clean" removes all the ".deb" package files from the computer. so i wanted to know that after installing wine by using these commands, whether i loose all my .deb package files or not?
[06:14] <m5w> what does apt-get install bumblebee* do?
[06:14] <m5w> (the asterisk)
[06:15] <m5w> the same as file globbing?
[06:16] <guest-VcEFUS_> m5w: nothing special.... but my gfx is older than your gt940m... did u already try ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa ??
[06:18] <m5w> guest-VcEFUS_: Yes, I have that ppa added currently
[06:19] <m5w> guest-VcEFUS_: what card do you have?
[06:21] <pinkstars> Got my brand new kernel last week
[06:22] <pinkstars> and loving all the fresh software in the frequent updates.
[06:22] <pinkstars> Came here to congratulate the first-rate team.
[06:22] <guest-VcEFUS_> m5w: nvs 4200m... so u use ppa with nvidia361?
[06:22] <m5w> guest-VcEFUS_: I've tried nvidia-361 w/o ppa, and ppa -361, -364, and -367
[06:23] <Peppernrino> hey there. anything i need to know about first time install, with regards to hardening and such?
[06:23] <guest-VcEFUS_> and the ppa was purged before installing 361?
[06:23] <ducasse> creep: don't run old software, wait for what you are trying to run to be updated to work with the new libraries.
[06:23] <m5w> ppa purged?
[06:24] <m5w> no, the latest one I installed 361 from ppa
[06:24] <m5w> but in the past, 361 from official repo
[06:24] <m5w> both same result
[06:25] <m5w> guest-VcEFUS_: anything else you did besides the installation from additional drivers and that apt line? any config files changed?
[06:25] <guest-VcEFUS_> m5w: full read is here: http://blog.schlomo.schapiro.org/2016/05/ubuntu-on-dell-latitude-e6420-with.html
[06:28] <abhinav> whats the ubuntu alternate for, whatprovides
[06:28] <guest-VcEFUS_> abhinav: apt-file
[06:28] <abhinav> ok
[06:30] <ducasse> abhinav: for installed packages you can also use dpkg -S <filename>
[06:30] <abhinav> ok.
[06:32] <m5w> guest-VcEFUS_: that site has the user do apt install ... nvidia-361
[06:35] <rajivmars> How to remove a particular .Deb package file from the system. I am using ubuntu 16.04
[06:36] <EriC^^> rajivmars: do you know the name of the package?
[06:36] <rajivmars> EriC^^: wine
[06:37] <EriC^^> rajivmars: sudo apt-get remove wine
[06:37] <EriC^^> or purge wine to remove config files as well
[06:38] <rajivmars> EriC^^: But it only uninstall the package. How to remove its .deb file as well from the computer?
[06:38] <EriC^^> rajivmars: cd /var/cache/apt/archives
[06:38] <EriC^^> and rm the file
[06:38] <abhinav> rajivmars: select it using mouse and shift delet?
[06:38] <abhinav> rajivmars: select it using mouse and shift delete?
[06:43] <rajivmars> abhinav: what does "sudo apt-get autoclean does"?
[06:43] <nomic> can't post on ubuntu forums https://ubuntuforums.org/newthread.php?do=postthread&f=331
[06:43] <nomic> forbidden
[06:43] <nomic> why not
[06:43] <nomic> where do I contact someone
[06:43] <nomic> You don't have permission to access /newthread.php on this server.
[06:43] <k1l_> nomic: #ubuntuforums
[06:47] <abhinav> rajivmars: http://askubuntu.com/questions/3167/what-is-difference-between-the-options-autoclean-autoremove-and-clean
[06:50] <Haugli92> Does anyone know how to use piped output as variable in curl? Like:
[06:50] <Triffid_Hunter> Haugli92: curl -flag $(command that produces output)
[06:50] <Triffid_Hunter> Haugli92: like that? try it with echo first if you like
[06:51] <Haugli92> uptime | curl "http://www/return?result={VARIABLE}"
[06:51] <Haugli92> If that made sense
[06:52] <Triffid_Hunter> Haugli92: try curl "http://blah/$(uptime)"
[06:52] <Crisis> I installed sdl, and my compiler is giving me "undefined reference to" errors
[06:53] <Haugli92> uptime is a command tho, so that wont work.
[06:54] <Triffid_Hunter> Haugli92: why not?
[06:54] <Haugli92> Okey, thats one way to do it :P
[06:55] <Haugli92> Thanks, i was using pipe included
[06:55] <Triffid_Hunter> Haugli92: echo "$(uptime)" works fine for me..
[06:55] <Triffid_Hunter> Haugli92: can put pipes in there too if you like, eg echo "$(uptime | grep -o average)"
[06:55] <Haugli92> Ye, i was including your lane with mine
[06:57] <rajivmars> is there any other program except wine for running windows applications in ubuntu repositories?
[06:57] <guest-VcEFUS_> rajivmars: wine is awesome ;-)
[06:57] <Ben64> wine is _the_ way to run windows programs in linux
[06:58] <abhinav> rajivmars: the real solution is to dual boot.
[06:58] <Triffid_Hunter> rajivmars: you could install windows in a VM such as vmware or virtualbox
[06:58] <orlock> Ben64: there was Wabi.. but pretty sure its not a thing anymore
[06:58] <abhinav> Ben64: wrong. you can use VM! :-p
[06:58] <Ben64> orlock: not the right thing at all
[06:58] <Ben64> abhinav: that's just running a virtual machine, different
[06:59] <abhinav> this is where it gets philosophical! :-p
[06:59] <guest-VcEFUS_> abhinav: dual boot sucks
[06:59] <abhinav> guest-VcEFUS_: thats personal thinking.
[06:59] <Haugli92> Triffid_Hunter: I got everything working with your help. Thanks!
[06:59] <guest-VcEFUS_> abhinav: kvm your m$-disk is awesome for your uptime ;-)
[07:00] <Triffid_Hunter> Haugli92: you're welcome
[07:02] <rajivmars> guest-VcEFUS_: I have installed office 2007 using wine in my ubuntu 16.04. Now when i try to uninstall it then the terminal shows errors. i have pasted these errors on https://pastee.org/dk7ub. will you please try to figure out those errors?
[07:02] <raspberrypifan> so im having issues iwth my ports. I have an ubuntu server installed on the cloud have check ufw and iptables they all show clear ports but when i run nmap the ports are closed
[07:02] <raspberrypifan> what could it be
[07:02] <Triffid_Hunter> raspberrypifan: closed means no program is listening
[07:04] <raspberrypifan> well for the 10000 i get closed but for 5060/udp open|filtered sip
[07:04] <guest-VcEFUS_> rajivmars: use playonlinux...
[07:06] <Triffid_Hunter> raspberrypifan: do you have asterisk on it? are you scanning the right server?
[07:06] <Ben64> rajivmars: did you check the appdb like i sent to you over an hour ago
[07:06] <raspberrypifan> yes yes
[07:07] <Triffid_Hunter> raspberrypifan: well there you go then, a program listens on 5060 so it reports as open
[07:07] <rajivmars> Ben64:I am checking those now.
[07:07] <raspberrypifan> but the problem is it keesp sending out rtp packets but it never gets a reply
[07:07] <Triffid_Hunter> raspberrypifan: if you set the firewall to lockdown, it'll report everything as filtered
[07:07] <raspberrypifan> i get a call that works with no audio
[07:08] <raspberrypifan> i flushed the iptables nad made sure to ufw
[07:08] <raspberrypifan> is there anythign else i could be missing
[07:09] <Triffid_Hunter> raspberrypifan: no idea, add some log entries and see what's happening
[07:09] <raspberrypifan> log entries from?
[07:13] <ShotokanZH> anyone using xubuntu or just xfce here?
[07:13] <jegarcia> found this article about what we were talking about rspec yesterday
[07:13] <jegarcia> http://www.xkyle.com/what-happens-when-you-run-puppet-tests/
[07:15] <abhinav> ShotokanZH: whats the issue?
[07:16] <ShotokanZH> abhinav, using the default terminal emulator if i print a bold, underlined, red string it messes with some chars
[07:16] <ShotokanZH> lemme be clear:
[07:17] <abhinav> ShotokanZH: change defalut font.
[07:17] <ShotokanZH> abhinav, http://i.imgur.com/qYm3w6V.png
[07:18] <Haugli92> Triffid_Hunter: When using commands like wget. Do you know how i should format this? curl --data "result='$(wget http://cachefly.cachefly.net/100mb.test)'" "http://blah/result"
[07:18] <abhinav> ShotokanZH: tried other fonts ? defalut is ubuntu
[07:18] <ShotokanZH> Haugli92, why using wget for that when you can use curl?
[07:18] <ShotokanZH> abhinav, gonna try it now
[07:19] <Haugli92> I want to return ANY command result to the url.
[07:19] <qazwsxedc> ok
[07:19] <ShotokanZH> abhinav, same with other fonts
[07:19] <ShotokanZH> abhinav, but it does not happens in konsole or via mosh
[07:20] <abhinav> ShotokanZH: installed all the updates?
[07:20] <ShotokanZH> abhinav, yep
[07:20] <rajivmars> Ben64: I don't found anything on appdb.
[07:20] <abhinav> ShotokanZH: time to file a bug report.
[07:20] <varaindemian> My 3g modem cannot be detected on ubuntu 16.04. The red light is red blinking. The storage is not detected either
[07:20] <abhinav> ShotokanZH: or #xubuntu  and #xfce
[07:21] <Triffid_Hunter> Haugli92: that'll put the terminal output of wget into your data, is that what you want?
[07:21] <Triffid_Hunter> Haugli92: you can test this easily with echo by the way
[07:22] <Haugli92> Triffid_Hunter: I want to return ANY command output to the URL as POST
[07:22] <varaindemian> anybody?
[07:22] <manyu4rime> Haugli92 yes  i can test with echo
[07:23] <varaindemian> lsusb detects it
[07:23] <abhinav> varaindemian: in my case i have to wait longer for it to get detected. also if i install company provided software for that modem, then it intervened in autodetection and only allowed it to be used via that software.
[07:24] <varaindemian> abhinav: it used to work on other systems running ubuntu
[07:25] <varaindemian> abhinav: it's a fresh install on this machine and I am not sure if the software got updated
[07:25] <LonelyDanbo> how do I stop tumberd from screwing over my whole system constantly?
[07:25] <varaindemian> maybe it is missing something
[07:25] <LonelyDanbo> I've heard it chokes up when you open folders with large files, but I haven't even done that and it's taking 5+ minutes to chew on my HD like a cow.
[07:26] <abhinav> varaindemian: install all latest updates and restart with that moded disconnected. then trya gain
[07:26] <swensson> Is it possible to view the content of trash bin from terminal? (If there's one)
[07:26] <LonelyDanbo> what is tumberd doing? reading my entire Wine directory for World of Warcraft every time I open up the subfolder within it?
[07:27] <varaindemian> abhinav: I am using my phone to make a hotspot. I don;t have much data for an update
[07:27] <abhinav> varaindemian: you must install latest update on a freshly installed os.
[07:27] <LonelyDanbo> maybe that would explain why WoW chokes up every time I play it and my HD light turns on for a few minutes.
[07:28] <LonelyDanbo> although looking at iotop, it's coming from the game itself and not tumblerd so... I guess not.
[07:28] <LonelyDanbo> right now it's tumblerd though... just from opening the download folder with my addons.
[07:28] <varaindemian> abhinav: welp 66 mb is not that much
[07:29] <LonelyDanbo> how do I fix tumblerd?
[07:29] <abhinav> varikonniemi: :-) then install!
[07:29] <LonelyDanbo> the way it operates normally is unacceptable.
[07:29] <varaindemian> abhinav: I expected at least the modem's storage to be detected
[07:29] <Haugli92> This returns one line, but curl doesnt seems to catch the result line: curl --data "result=$(wget -nv http://cachefly.cachefly.net/100mb.test)" "http://blah/blah"
[07:31] <varaindemian> abhinav: not sure why it isn't
[07:31] <abhinav> varaindemian: yeah. 16.04 has some bugs
[07:32] <varaindemian> abhinav: what bugs?
[07:32] <abhinav> "some"
[07:33] <abhinav> its just a generalized statement.
[07:42] <Guy1524_> are there any obvious ways to increase performance for integrated graphics on a laptop in ubuntu 16.04.  Windows runs about 50% faster with intel hd 4600 graphics
[07:45] <ducasse> Guy1524_: you can enable dri3, that could help a bit.
[07:45] <oshekfeh> Hi everybody, suddenly after one of the updates, I restarted my machine to find that top and side panels disappeared! I searched alot to find a solution, I reseted unity using unity --reset, and unity --reset-icon. I used this command which is very recommended "dconf reset -f /org/compiz/ && setsid unity" and the result still same.
[07:45] <pinkstars> Testing.
[07:45] <oshekfeh> Any help?
[07:47] <Guy1524_> ducasse: ok thanks
[07:47] <ShotokanZH> abhinav, found out, it seems like there was an extra \e in that part of code. dunno why the other terminals weren't showing it
[07:47] <varaindemian> Modem (storage) is not detected on 16.04. lsusb shows it but I cannot connect to the internet or to its storage
[07:49] <ducasse> Guy1524_: look at 'man intel', there are a lot of options you can try tuning, but the driver should be set to sane defaults.
[07:49] <Guy1524_> ducasse: I dont want to do any overclocking, the laptop fans are already extremely loud
[07:52] <Guy1524_> ducasse: how do I enabled dri3, I found a phoronix article but its for radeon cards
[07:54] <varaindemian>  Modem (storage) is not detected on 16.04. lsusb shows it
[07:54] <varaindemian>                       but I cannot connect to the internet or to its storage
[07:59] <varaindemian> it is a fresh install. Do I need something special to make the modem work?
[08:01] <Guy1524_> newbie question: in a shell script, do I need semi colons at the end of each command?
[08:01] <Guy1524_> or will putting a command on the next line make it execute after
[08:03] <xenomader> no, you don't
[08:04] <Guy1524_> ok thanks
[08:04] <YankDownUnder> Guy1524_: You can always separate the commands with "&&" - that will wait for a command to be parsed, then move on to the next command - as in doing "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt autoremove && sudo apt autoclean
[08:06] <xenomader> somebody tell me
[08:06] <xenomader> am I alone?
[08:06] <varaindemian> do I need to install anything to make a 3g modem work under 16.04? Storage is not detected and I cannot use it. lsusb shows it and on other systems it works
[08:07] <YankDownUnder> varaindemian: usb-mode-switch
[08:07] <YankDownUnder> varaindemian: Have you checked for "third party drivers" after you've plugged in the modem?
[08:08] <varaindemian> YankDownUnder: is usb-mode-switch a package?
[08:08] <abhinav> ShotokanZH: good.
[08:09] <YankDownUnder> varaindemian: First - did you check to see if the system required any third party drivers after you plugged in the modem?
[08:09] <varaindemian> Adidional Drivers shows only  intel microcode
[08:10] <YankDownUnder> varaindemian: Right oh...next is read this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/776497/huawei-modem-does-not-work-with-16-04
[08:10] <varaindemian> YankDownUnder: and system is updated
[08:10] <YankDownUnder> varaindemian: Right oh...next is read this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/776497/huawei-modem-does-not-work-with-16-04
[08:11] <varaindemian> YankDownUnder: and I have an ZTE modem
[08:15] <YankDownUnder> varaindemian: Funny - not finding much about ZTE's...however, here's something - it's old, but it might still be pertinent: http://askubuntu.com/questions/308896/why-network-manager-cant-detect-my-zte-usb-3g-modem
[08:17] <varaindemian> YankDownUnder: I am not sure why but on other ubuntu machines it works perfectly
[08:17] <leeyaa> hi guys
[08:17] <YankDownUnder> varaindemian: "Other Ubuntu Machines" - meaning what, they're all running 16.04, or are they running different versions...? Something to consider as well, is HOW this machine interprets data through the BIOS...hmm...
[08:17] <leeyaa> is it possible to downgrade mysql to 5.5 on 16.04 ?
[08:19] <varaindemian> YankDownUnder: ubuntu 14.04 and lubuntu 16.04
[08:20] <varaindemian> YankDownUnder: it is not even mounted as a storage medium
[08:20] <YankDownUnder> varaindemian: As per what I had just stated...either which, have you looked into the BIOS on this particular machine to make sure all the settings were correct - and if there are any settings for USB? (Like Legacy USB, or 2.0/3.0 and the likes)
[08:21] <YankDownUnder> varaindemian: Yes, I know that. You stated that before. Hmm.
[08:21] <varaindemian> YankDownUnder: On arch linux it worked
[08:21] <YankDownUnder> varaindemian: That doesn't answer my question.
[08:22] <varaindemian> YankDownUnder: I haven't touched the bios since it worked under arch
[08:23] <varaindemian> YankDownUnder: also usb-modeswitch  is installed
[08:24] <YankDownUnder> varaindemian: Right, so, that being said, have you tried to run "usb_modeswitch" to see what happens?
[08:24] <varaindemian> YankDownUnder: with what parameter?
[08:25] <YankDownUnder> varaindemian: Why not try the "reset" command first?
[08:29] <varaindemian> YankDownUnder: the vendor/product id is the hex number in lsbusb, right?
[08:30] <YankDownUnder> varaindemian: You'll get a "hex" number, but you'll also get the device maker ID and the likes...you can extend the data you see (check lsusb --help)
[08:38] <varaindemian> YankDownUnder: Bus 002 Device 006: ID 19d2:1514 ZTE WCDMA Technologies MSM
[08:39] <varaindemian> this is that I get
[08:39] <varaindemian> what*
[08:41] <Haugli92> Is there really a difference between this two outputs? http://pastebin.com/h9y3h3Wj
[08:41] <gnumonk> How to generate /var/lib/dpkg/status manually from install system ?
[08:44] <gnumonk> any idea?
[09:15] <jikz> hi guys..
[09:15] <jikz> i recently did setup an ubuntu mirror for our office systems so that we can save some bandwidth on updates..
[09:15] <jikz> but recently started noticing some has mismatch errors.
[09:15] <jikz> how can i check the integrity of the data??
[09:16] <jikz> i mean the packages whether they are really matching the hashsums.. i will delete those which are not validating and then do a apt-mirror again.
[09:17] <rory_mckinley> I am trying to change a desktop background in 16.04 using dbus-launch gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background picture-uri. If I look in dconf-editor or use gsettings get I can see that the change has taken effect - but if I logout the change disappears.
[09:17] <rory_mckinley> I am using dbus-launch because Iam trying to make the change via ansible
[09:17] <rory_mckinley> Anybody seen this before?
[09:20] <OhYash> hey
[09:21] <gamester> what's the logic with having the global menu? It's often hard to know exactly what application which makes using it hard, you also don't see which applications have menu bars without searching for it. I highly doubt semi-blind users appreciate this. I also HIGHLY doubt research would show this to be a good feature.
[09:21] <gamester> what application is in focus* whoops
[09:21] <OhYash> gamester: It saves space
[09:22] <gamester> no it doesn't
[09:22] <ducasse> gamester: switch it off if you don't like it, or use something other than unity - plenty of choices.
[09:22] <varaindemian> what is the vendor/product for Bus 002 Device 006: ID 19d2:1514 ZTE WCDMA Technologies MSM
[09:23] <varaindemian> vendor/product ID***
[09:23] <ducasse> varaindemian: vendor first, then product id.
[09:24]  * swensson wonder if I should setup my sites as /var/www/myDomainName.com or /var/www/html/myDomainName.com
[09:24] <varaindemian> ducasse: well usb_modeswitch -R 19d2 returns no default vendor/product id given
[09:25] <ducasse> varaindemian: never used it, no idea.
[09:27] <varaindemian> I see. Maybe someone else can help :)
[09:31] <ducasse> varaindemian: is this a 3g modem of some sort?
[09:33] <esd_droid> hmm ubuntu channel
[09:33] <gamester> Hmm looks like I can't remove the useless top panel. I can only restore normal menu bars, yet can't remove the now completely useless top panel.
[09:33] <esd_droid> whast the best desktop gui for 14 lts server?
[09:34] <rory> bash
[09:35] <esd_droid> anyone running odroid boards here?
[09:35] <rory> If you need server install server and use it like a server, if you need desktop install desktop.
[09:35] <soupnanodesukar> esd_droid: xfce/lxde/lxqt is likely you're only choice for small computers.
[09:36] <ducasse> esd_droid: or just run a wm, no need for a full de.
[09:37] <esd_droid> thanks guys. im new in linux .im more in hardware. tinkering small stuff  thefast odroid ux4
[09:38] <esd_droid> witha lot of flavors available, sometimes it is difficult to start and waste time
[09:38] <akik> esd_droid: you'll be ok with either lxde or xfce, lubuntu or xubuntu
[09:39] <akik> esd_droid: hardkernel's web site mentions ubuntu 15.04. i think that's from when the board was released
[09:39] <esd_droid> i saw some lubuntu 14 lts in odroid sw
[09:39] <esd_droid> will try that
[09:40] <esd_droid> im wasting too much time to run this cloudshell case for this odroidux4
[09:40] <esd_droid> just displaying the lcd display (xorg) without hdmi and show system info (cpu temp, utlization etc)
[09:41] <esd_droid> anyway thank y'all
[09:41] <esd_droid> i think the best bet is start with a release nearer to the version the board was released
[09:42] <esd_droid> so i think im in the right track
[09:44] <akik> esd_droid: usually it goes the other way. more recent linux version supports more hardware
[09:45] <esd_droid> k
[09:46] <akik> and it has updated packages
[09:58] <gamester> ok, my problem with the top panel is that the menu options fade out. This makes it hard to mouse over the right menu, and it makes it hard to identify the options available. Is there a way to always display menu bars?
[09:58] <swensson> How do I change user for who's running phpmyadmin? got "phpmyadmin: Failed to load /var/lib/phpmyadmin/blowfish_secret.inc.php Check group www-data has read access and open_base" but it's not www-data that should ask for access
[10:00] <gamester> I was surprised to find out that OS X uses these top panel menus since I found them so useless, but of course the reason is obvious: Unity's menu bars fade out. Why is Ubuntu trying to out-design Apple?
[10:00] <acethebass> hi
[10:01] <gamester> menu options* not bars fade out
[10:02] <EriC^^> !offtopic | gamester
[10:06] <gamester> EriC^^: I'm trying to get the menu options to always display, to benefit from the billions of Apple dollars that have identified that as the right option.
[10:07] <gamester> oh I found it! nvm
[10:09] <akik> gamester: where was it?
[10:09] <akik> never mind grinds my gears
[10:11] <gamester> akik: settings->appearance->behavior
[10:11] <akik> gamester: thanks
[10:16] <sushil_> join #drupal
[10:17] <sushil_> Join #drupal
[10:17] <gamester> sushil_: nah, I'll pass
[10:19] <yzT> where can I check when was a package added to the repository?
[10:20] <yzT> specifically I'm interested in knowing when was python2.7.12 added to xenial-updates
[10:25] <kira> unable to telnet my ubuntu machine from another machine ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[10:27] <akik> yzT: try http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/p/python2.7/ there's a changelog file under those directories
[10:56] <HoloIRCUser> அனைத்து வாழ?
[10:57] <HoloIRCUser> அனைத்து வாழ?
[10:57] <bhuddah> !in
[11:09] <HoloIRCUser> How can I get Ubuntu on a customised system?
[11:09] <HoloIRCUser> *custom system
[11:10] <HoloIRCUser> I used an arm v6 processor 1g ram
[11:11] <HoloIRCUser> So I mean
[11:11] <HoloIRCUser> *SOC
[11:12] <HoloIRCUser> Anybody alive
[11:14] <ducasse> Amul_macho: no idea, ask in #ubuntu-arm
[11:16] <Amul_macho> Are they subchannels divided based on processor used? Lol
[11:17] <ducasse> Amul_macho: why not? seems perfectly reasonable to me.
[11:26] <sgo11> hi, if I mv file1 file2, file2 will preserve the same permission as file1. but if I do cp file1 file2 and then rm file1, file2 will have a different permission. my question is how to do the cp/rm way with a single command? is there any argument or flag that I can use to achieve it with mv command? thanks.
[11:28] <nofree> hi
[11:31] <Amul_macho> sgo11:  help mv
[11:31] <\9> sgo11: the man page doesn't really reveal any easy way to accomplish it. cp and mv are very different by operation anyway
[11:32] <\9> cp copies the contents of the file, mv just updates the metadata of the file so that its location changes
[11:32] <Amul_macho> True /9
[11:32] <\9> unless, the file is moved across filesystems in which case it has to do a copy
[11:33] <|TheWolf|> Hi! I have a problem with vpnc - whenever I start the VPN, my machine stops listening on the eth0 address. Any clue what might cause that?
[11:33] <sgo11> Amul_macho, actually, I am doing mv with samba mount. thus mv is not just updating the metadata. it does cp actually.
[11:34] <\9> cp should also be preserving permissions by default
[11:35] <sgo11> \9, sorry, I thought you were a bot in the beginning... you just replied the message after Amul_macho issued help mv. I have no idea why Amul_macho posted help mv instead of man mv...
[11:36] <\9> sgo11: since you're doing a copy across the network, would it be a better idea to use e.g. rsync?
[11:36] <sgo11> \9, I setup some samba rules in smb.conf at samba server. cp is like creating a new file and obey the rules in smb.conf. thus cp does not preserve the permission. mv does preserve which I don't know why.
[11:36] <\9> also i posted like 20 seconds after Amul_macho posted
[11:37] <sgo11> \9, I am not really doing copy. I want mv. actually cp and rm.
[11:37] <\9> rsync has --remove-source-files
[11:38] <blueking> #xeon  inviteonly    anyone there ?
[11:38] <r0n1n> Hi I am new to this. Have not touched anything Linux/ Unix since 1998. Anyone have good references on writing crons?
[11:39] <sgo11> \9, I thought that was my network issue. I am in a slow international network country. :)
[11:39] <\9> r0n1n: man 5 crontab
[11:40] <r0n1n> Very nice. Thank you.
[11:40] <sgo11> \9, ok. but I don't think rsync is the solution for me because I am not really doing sync btw two dirs. different files in the same directory will go to different destinations. so..
[11:42] <\9> mmh
[11:43] <sgo11> \9, maybe I just do cp and rm. :) cheers.
[11:44] <Amul_macho> Lol
[11:44] <\9> or make a script to do it, though rm in a script may be quite dangerous
[11:45] <sgo11> \9, ok. :)
[11:45] <Amul_macho> mv dangerous as well
[11:46] <sgo11> Amul_macho, I always use mv -i instead of mv. :)
[11:51] <\9> i have rm aliased to "rm --verbose --interactive=once", and mv to "mv --verbose --backup=existing"
[11:51] <\9> cp similarily too
[11:54] <Amul_macho> \9: good!
[11:57] <Amul_macho> Someone suggested me #ubuntu-arm for my issue.  That  channel is dead always.  Disgusting
[11:58] <OerHeks> patience is not for sale either, Amul_macho
[12:02] <\9> Amul_macho: i've had enough accidents with rm to alias those in .bash_aliases..
[12:11] <bhara7> Hi guys
[12:11] <bhara7> beginner here
[12:12] <bhara7> any tips for installing cannon scanner in ubuntu 16.04
[12:14] <swensson> Got problem setting up magento under ubuntu 16...Can the /etc/hosts contain two 127.0.0.1? localhost and mydomain?
[12:14] <OerHeks> bhara7, check openprinting.org if it is supported, else see the canon site for drivers in deb format
[12:14] <bazhang> bhara7, plug it in try something like simplescan
[12:14] <Amul_macho> bhara7: read you scanner's manual
[12:14] <OerHeks> canon is not that good supported
[12:16] <laserbeak4445> bhara7: you can use the lsusb command in the terminal to verify if your scanner has been detected
[12:16] <Amul_macho> Hmm
[12:17] <pepijndevos> How can I convert an image to raw rgb565 format? I used imagemagick to convert to rgb24, and it seems avconv supports going from rgb24 te rgb565.
[12:17] <pepijndevos> What I have so far:
[12:17] <pepijndevos> avconv -vcodec rawvideo -f rawvideo -pix_fmt rgb24 -s 32x32 -i tiles_*.raw -vcodec rawvideo -f rawvideo -pix_fmt rgb565 -s 32x32 tiles565_%d.raw
[12:18] <pepijndevos> But that gives
[12:18] <pepijndevos> Unable to find a suitable output format for 'tiles_1000.raw'
[12:18] <tatertots> canon scanners in linux........brings back memories
[12:19] <Amul_macho> I prefer hp
[12:19] <Kirito> The desktop icon for "Home Folder" is labeled "home" instead of "Home". This bothers my OCD >_>.
[12:20] <Amul_macho> mv home Home
[12:20] <OerHeks> technically it is /home not /Home
[12:20] <Kirito> I know, but still
[12:21] <tatertots> i like that hp has the hplip thing and my brother all in one actually had linux software available
[12:22] <Amul_macho> !ot > tatertots
[12:22] <zamanf> !οτ
[12:22]  * zamanf ΑΜΕ
[12:22] <Amul_macho> :-P
[12:23] <tatertots> !ot > Amul_macho
[12:23] <Kirito> !ot > Kirito
[12:24] <Amul_macho> Hahaha kirito
[12:27] <zamanf> ahoi
[12:28] <tatertots> good day zamanf
[12:29] <zamanf> good day tatertots
[12:30] <zamanf> /topic
[12:32] <zamanf> the paste from paste.ubuntu.com is permanent?
[12:33] <DJones> zamanf: As far as I know, yes, possibly may be deleted after so long, but not sure
[12:33] <Kirito> https://paste.ubuntu.com/1/
[12:34] <aryklein> is is possible to deploy openstack in Ubuntu 16.04? The official docs, only cover 14.04
[12:34] <rangel> oi
[12:34] <rangel> alguem aqui sabe como conseguir acessar o internet baink
[12:35] <Kirito> u wot m8?
[12:35] <rangel> da caixa economica Federal do Brasil
[12:35] <tatertots> aryklein try it and let us know if you have trouble....keep in mind the 'official' docs are for 14.04
[12:36] <zamanf> DJones, how long is that time?
[12:37] <sgz_com> Just wondering what HDDs ubuntu users have these days, need an upgrade and looking at WD Black.
[12:37] <aryklein> tatertots: ok
[12:37] <DJones> zamanf: I don't know, I'm not even sure if they do  get deleted after so long
[12:37] <Kirito> blacks are the fastest
[12:37] <sgz_com> Looking for new HDD, WD Black?
[12:38] <Kirito> (not racist)
[12:38] <sgz_com> :)
[12:38] <BrainBug[BE]> Hey, Can anybody tell me I've just shrunk my lv (lv_home) from 250 to 200GB. All works fine. After some file checking I did lvreduce --resizefs -L 200G /dev/vg/lv_home This worked, maybe because the drive was as good as empty, but what happens if the drive is full? Will it give an error or anything like that?
[12:38] <Kirito> I have a SSD and whatever secondary HDD came with my laptop
[12:39] <Kirito> I have WD red's in my desktops RAID 5 storage configuration because that's what red's are for
[12:39] <tatertots> depends on your needs in a hdd...5400 vs 7200 rpm , amount of cache , interface sata/pata/scsi/sas
[12:39] <tatertots> get what your money can afford you
[12:39] <Kirito> for just storage I honestly don't think it matters
[12:39] <sgz_com> 7200rpm, mb cache, sata III.
[12:40] <Kirito> if not for jut storage why are you not getting a SSD?
[12:41] <sgz_com> The only thing I need the speed of an SSD for is to read/write constantly, SSDs have a very limited write to life span.
[12:41] <sgz_com> THerefor a fast HDD is my best bet.
[12:42] <Kirito> No they don't
[12:42] <Kirito> That was true to a limited extent a very long time ago
[12:43] <Kirito> But it definitely doesn't apply to modern SSD's. In fact, a good modern SSD can even outlast the average spinning disk
[12:44] <AnonOSUserTest> Hi!
[12:45] <tatertots> no one with important data would rely on a single point of failure no matter ssd or hdd so it kinda makes it a moot point
[12:46] <tatertots> old saying: never put all your eggs in one basket
[12:47] <Amul_macho> Us raid
[12:47] <AnonOSUserTest> What?
[12:47] <Amul_macho> *use
[12:48] <Kirito> Yes, backups are important, not a moot point though. Both HDD's and SSD's can suffer from sudden failure, though with a good quality SSD it's much less likely to happen than with a spinning disk (as spinning disks have more points of failure than SSD's), but what I was saying it the average lifespan of a SSD under standard desktop usage can last many, many years without issue.
[12:48] <AnonOSUserTest> Yeah...?
[12:48] <AnonOSUserTest> XD
[12:50] <tatertots> don't forget the $ per GB....since things aren't free, $ has a huge say in what a user can obtain
[12:50] <Kirito> http://www.anandtech.com/show/8239/update-on-samsung-850-pro-endurance-vnand-die-size (to provide some good example data)
[12:50] <Kirito> and yes, that's why I have a SSD for my root filesystem and HDD('s) for data storage :P
[12:50] <AnonOSUserTest> Cool
[12:51] <AnonOSUserTest> I am testing some random os
[12:51] <AnonOSUserTest> XD
[12:51] <tatertots> I'd love to have a molecular photon particle drive but if it means $100,000 per GB ....no thanks
[12:51] <AnonOSUserTest> I put my name as <-- That bc I thot it would be funny XD
[12:51] <sgz_com> The 840 series SSDs started to fail at 500TB of rights and died at 900TB, you are correct that I would not even be approaching this amount of activity.
[12:52] <sgz_com> writes*
[12:52] <Kirito> SSD's have also become substantially more affordable as of late
[12:52] <Kirito> With 1TB SSD's actually reaching consumer grade now
[12:52] <AnonOSUserTest> I rather just have a whole other backup OS...
[12:52] <Kirito> (those are still expensive)
[12:53] <AnonOSUserTest> Or boot in some old backup save...
[12:53] <sgz_com> I back up to two external HDDs regularly
[12:53] <AnonOSUserTest> Ye
[12:54] <AnonOSUserTest> I am just testing an OS not keeping it XD
[12:54] <AnonOSUserTest> Though it is nice...
[12:54] <kira> Unable to telnet my ubuntu machine while vice versa is true
[12:54] <AnonOSUserTest> XD
[12:54] <Amul_macho> kira: why
[12:54] <AnonOSUserTest> Bc PCs
[12:54] <AnonOSUserTest> Idk XD
[12:54] <Kirito> >telnet
[12:55] <AnonOSUserTest> k
[12:55] <AnonOSUserTest> ty for da info
[12:55] <kira> @Amul_macho needed to run one of my drivers
[12:55] <AnonOSUserTest> Any1 hav any cool OS I can get? I am bored...
[12:55] <Iamnotgeorgebush> hello
[12:55] <AnonOSUserTest> hOi
[12:55] <tatertots> try ubuntu
[12:55] <Iamnotgeorgebush> is there any channel for sexchat on freenode?
[12:56] <AnonOSUserTest> I have that XD
[12:56] <tatertots> it's pretty cool
[12:56] <Amul_macho> Hahaha
[12:56] <AnonOSUserTest> I have a custom coded versions
[12:56] <AnonOSUserTest> version*
[12:56] <Kirito> Iamnotgeorgebush, try #freenode
[12:56] <AnonOSUserTest> Some dood made it
[12:56] <Iamnotgeorgebush> thank you :)
[12:56] <AnonOSUserTest> Wanted me to test it a nd mess with it :P
[12:56] <tatertots> you could make it even custom(er)
[12:56] <kira> @Amul_macho ?? bro have any ideas
[12:56] <AnonOSUserTest> Tru
[12:56] <Iamnotgeorgebush> looks like an orgy. so many people in there
[12:57] <AnonOSUserTest> Maybe I can add a feature for net devs or website devs kind of like progres or something...? Just built in...
[12:57] <DJones> Iamnotgeorgebush: Please see the channel topic and stay within channel guidelines
[12:57] <Iamnotgeorgebush> sorry for off topic I'll go to #freenode
[12:57] <Amul_macho> Did you try telnet server on Ubuntu?
[12:57] <Amul_macho> kira
[12:57] <AnonOSUserTest> Well I was running windows
[12:58] <tatertots> get your hand off my config file
[12:58] <AnonOSUserTest> then had to get a whole nother pc
[12:58] <AnonOSUserTest> So now I am here :P
[12:58] <Kirito> why are you trying to telnet on Linux?
[12:58] <AnonOSUserTest> ?
[12:58] <AnonOSUserTest> I'm not lol
[12:58] <Amul_macho> kira : telnetd.service
[12:59] <AnonOSUserTest> ubuntu? Maybe I could do it...
[12:59] <Amul_macho> On ubuntu
[12:59] <AnonOSUserTest> Well, I wanna at least try
[12:59] <Amul_macho> Shut up AnonOSUserTest
[12:59] <ducasse> !offtopic | AnonOSUserTest
[12:59] <AnonOSUserTest> Be cool...
[12:59] <AnonOSUserTest> ?
[12:59] <AnonOSUserTest> ??? Uhh
[13:00] <AnonOSUserTest> I was not off topic? We are still talking about Ubuntu XD
[13:00] <AnonOSUserTest> ey
[13:01] <Amul_macho> Are all admins on leave today ?
[13:01] <kira> @Amul_macho: there is no such file telnetd.service
[13:02] <AnonOSUserTest> dk
[13:02] <AnonOSUserTest> Amul_macho ;-; i cri XD
[13:02] <Kirito> kira, why are you trying to use telnet on Ubuntu? I am curious if you actually have a good reason
[13:02] <tatertots> kira is ssd not good enough for you?
[13:02] <tatertots> ssh
[13:02] <tatertots> my typing is horrid this morning
[13:03] <tatertots> kira is ssh not good enough for you?
[13:03] <AnonOSUserTest> I am just messing around with stuff on my pc to see how fast I can break it XD
[13:03] <Kirito> a hammer is faster
[13:03] <AnonOSUserTest> Tru
[13:03] <AnonOSUserTest> XD
[13:03] <AnonOSUserTest> Ima go search viruses brb
[13:04] <AnonOSUserTest> What name is thatr?
[13:04] <tatertots> submerge it in water
[13:04] <AnonOSUserTest> That*
[13:04] <AnonOSUserTest> I was about to leave and I see poop-crapper XD
[13:04] <tatertots> i'm kidding ...not actually do that
[13:04] <AnonOSUserTest> Ye ik
[13:04] <Kirito> there are actually datacenters that do that as a means of cooling
[13:04] <poop-crapper> AnonOSUserTest: LOL
[13:04] <Kirito> (it's not actually water)
[13:04] <AnonOSUserTest> Lol
[13:04] <poop-crapper> I poop on the crapper
[13:05] <AnonOSUserTest> My friend is making some os and i test it so i put my name as this D
[13:05] <AnonOSUserTest> XD*
[13:05] <DJones> poop-crapper: Thats great to know, but please read /topic and stay in channel guidelines
[13:05] <Kirito> well actually it's possible to build a consumer grade desktop with that if you're that hard-core
[13:05] <poop-crapper> okay
[13:05] <AnonOSUserTest> Well, I am very open to new info and code...
[13:06] <saitoh183_srv> hey all, what is the proper command to fully remove php7.0 and variants so that i can reinstall it...i tried sudo dpkg --remove php7.0 but that just removed php7.0. i need to reinstall php7.0-common but the reinstall command isnt working
[13:06] <AnonOSUserTest> php?
[13:06] <AnonOSUserTest> I would get pregres or something...? I cannot remember but it is with DB Enterprise
[13:07] <AnonOSUserTest> It has this whole download menu and everything
[13:07] <AnonOSUserTest> Very nice for web devs net admins etc
[13:07] <poop-crapper> hi
[13:07] <AnonOSUserTest> rip wRz93
[13:07] <AnonOSUserTest> err
[13:08] <AnonOSUserTest> well that happened fast XD
[13:08] <AnonOSUserTest> omg like every second someone joins
[13:08] <AnonOSUserTest> XD
[13:08] <ircle_user> lol
[13:09] <AnonOSUserTest> With everyone timing out...
[13:09] <AnonOSUserTest> Ima monitor my sys
[13:09] <tatertots> that's because all the cool kids hang out here
[13:09] <ducasse> AnonOSUserTest: if you want to chat, go to #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic - this channel is for support.
[13:09] <mcphail> AnonOSUserTest: unless you have a specific Ubuntu support question, please stop chatting on this channel
[13:09] <AnonOSUserTest> Oh ok
[13:09] <AnonOSUserTest> ty
[13:09] <AnonOSUserTest> Actually, one last question...
[13:10] <Kirito> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUCTEFaunZc :D
[13:10] <AnonOSUserTest> Can Ubunt have like networking stuff? I overheard Kirito or something say something about it...
[13:11] <AnonOSUserTest> but it wasn't Ubunt
[13:11] <MAMNE> Hello, I'm on ubuntu 14.14 64bit, I have a problem with qt apps, they look ugly. this happens only for one user (I have 2 users on the system).
[13:11] <Kirito> Networking stuff is extremely vague, but I'm guessing you mean SSH
[13:11] <AnonOSUserTest> Yes
[13:12] <Kirito> If you're curious about this kind of stuff, I would probably recommend taking an online introductory course on Linux
[13:12] <Kirito> I'm pretty sure Coursera has some good ones
[13:12] <AnonOSUserTest> Okay, thank you.
[13:12] <AnonOSUserTest> Ima head to freenode
[13:13] <AnonOSUserTest> #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:13] <AnonOSUserTest> uh
[13:13] <ircle_user> lol
[13:13] <ircle_user> "/join"
[13:14] <AnonOSUserTest> o ty
[13:14] <ircle_user> "/join #ubuntu-offtopic"
[13:19] <MAMNE> Hello, I'm on ubuntu 14.14 64bit, I have a problem with qt apps, they look ugly. this happens only for one user (I have 2 users on the system).
[13:19] <Amul_macho> qt apps ?
[13:21] <MAMNE> Amul_macho: qt apps like freecad, goldenDict, ...
[13:21] <MAMNE> Applications that have ui made with qt
[13:21] <ducasse> MAMNE: select another theme with qtconfig or whatever it's called.
[13:22] <Amul_macho> hmm
[13:32] <vlt> Hello. We are using Ubuntu on our desktops and install all the updates from the official repos. The latest updates for Firefox and Thunderbird have made working objectively only worse. The Firefox performance is unbearably slow and Thunderbird (since 45.2.0) shows mail content only in the preview window, otherwise a blank window. What can I do to fix this?
[13:33] <ircle_user> bacon
[13:33] <Amul_macho> vlt, uninstall
[13:34] <vlt> Amul_macho: And then?
[13:34] <Amul_macho> downgrade to previous version
[13:34] <OerHeks> that would be impossible with firefox
[13:35] <OerHeks> remove the .config for firefox, and restart browser
[13:37] <vlt> OerHeks: Unfortunately removing .config doesn’t help. When scrolling on a page the data transmitted from firefox to the X server used to ~100 kbit/s, now it’s 300 Mbit/s.
[13:38] <vlt> +be
[13:41] <vlt> And users get error messages like these several times a day: "Gdk-WARNING **: The program 'firefox' received an X Window System error. ..." http://paste.ubuntu.com/20178185/
[13:42] <indie__> hi any indian here
[13:42] <Amul_macho> bolo
[13:42] <vlt> Amul_macho: Can you give an apt-get example on how to downgrade thinderbird to a previous version?
[13:43] <abhinav> indie__: yes
[13:43] <abhinav> Amul_macho: lol!
[13:43] <Amul_macho> kya lol
[13:43] <abhinav> Amul_macho: nick
[13:43] <indie__> is it possible to upgrade from 32 bit to 64 bit ubuntu without fresh install
[13:44] <abhinav> indie__: why do you need Inidan to answer that question?
[13:44] <abhinav> indie__: and the answer is no
[13:44] <Amul_macho> trust abhinav
[13:44] <vlt> This is the currently installed version of thunderbird: "Version: 1:45.2.0+build1-0ubuntu0.12.04.1"
[13:44] <Amul_macho> hindu hindu bhai bhai
[13:44] <DArqueBishop> indie__: I would imagine that even if it were possible it would not be recommended in any way, shape, or form.
[13:44] <abhinav> Amul_macho: thats getting seriously on wrong topic
[13:45] <Amul_macho> abhinav are you admin here ?
[13:45] <OerHeks> Amul_macho, keep this channel free for ubuntu support, you are not helpfull anyway
[13:46] <jargonmonk> #join #debian
[13:46] <jargonmonk> sorry
[13:46] <indie__> hey any help of using graphics.h like in ubuntu  i heard libgraph  but any native
[13:46] <ecsi> Hi!
[13:46] <ecsi> Ubuntu Phone OTA 12 release date?
[13:47] <abhinav> indie__: Turbu C in long dead. not a standard. graphics.h is for windows.
[13:47] <abhinav> Turbo*
[13:47] <Amul_macho> vlt : not sure but forst uninstall present one and then install as "apt install thunderbird(oldversion)"
[13:47] <indie__> i know but any standard alternative
[13:47] <Amul_macho> do not use brackets
[13:47] <Pici> ecsi: not sure if it was announced, but #ubuntu-touch would know for sure
[13:47] <Amul_macho> I just used to signify
[13:47] <ecsi> Pici thx
[13:47] <abhinav> indie__: since graphics.h itself is not a standard, i dont think thery will be any other standard alternate. you can try asking in #c and #c++ though
[13:48] <indie__> i m currently learning python
[13:48] <abhinav> indie__: ok
[13:48] <indie__> why indian instution use turbo c anyway
[13:48] <Pici> !offtopic | indie__
[13:48] <abhinav> indie__: ##linux-india for further discusson
[13:48] <vlt> Amul_macho: I think uninstalling is not required if I run `aptitude install thunderbird=<oldversion>`. My problem is I don’t know what <olversion> is? Is there a list? A history of ubuntu packages?
[13:49] <indie__> ok i got it
[13:49] <Amul_macho> no just google for the versions
[13:49] <Amul_macho> vlt
[13:49]  * vlt googles "for the versions"
[13:49] <vlt> Amul_macho: What?
[13:50] <vuur> Can anyone direct me to where I could read up on onboot scripts?
[13:50] <vuur> If thats possible I want a certain script to run when my server turns on, where could I read up on this?
[13:51] <OerHeks> vlt, i don't think old version of thunderbird stays on the repos too, have you tried to setup your account in tunderbird again? that could help fixing upgrade issues
[13:52] <raspberrypifan> vuur: idk too much but as far as i understand init scripts dont work anymore since thjeyve moved to services
[13:52] <OerHeks> systemd
[13:52] <OerHeks> !systemd
[13:52] <vlt> OerHeks: Haven’t tried that yet. But I can’t manually setup 50+ user accounts now to fix that :-/
[13:53] <vuur> raspberrypifan gotcha
[13:53] <indie__> how to upgarde from 14.4 to 16.4 in terminal
[13:54] <andrzej> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/04/how-to-upgrade-ubuntu-14-04-to-ubuntu-16-04-lts
[13:55] <andrzej> indie__: ^
[13:55] <OerHeks> indie__, upgrade will be offered as of tomorrow 21st
[13:56] <vuur> Wait till tomorrow or do it now...
[13:56] <vuur> Hmm
[14:02] <pbn4> Hello, I have a problem with usb device I connect with using libusb, namely: after boot I can't open them, I'm force to unplug and plug them again to get access to them
[14:03] <pbn4> Any fast ideas on that?
[14:03] <pbn4> I'm opening them with pyserial
[14:03] <pbn4> dmesg see them after boot as /dev/ttyACMx
[14:03] <pbn4> kernel 4.5.3
[14:09] <farblue> Hi all :) Using Ubuntu 15.10 and am struggling with resolvconf and dnsmasq. I have one machine where resolvconf correctly sets the nameserver to 127.0.0.1 so dnsmasq works and then another server with what I thought was the same config where resolvconf appears to totally ignore dnsmasq and sets up the nameservers from dhcp info. I’ve no idea where to look to try and spot differences - anyone got any ideas?
[14:10] <Nasha> hi
[14:10] <Amul_macho> bolo Nasha
[14:10] <Amul_macho> Daaru here
[14:10] <Nasha> How to Sing In on Freenode?
[14:11] <Nasha> I mean Join if I registered?
[14:11] <Amul_macho> Nasha Are you Hindustaani ?
[14:11] <Nasha> no
[14:12] <tatertots> farblue
[14:13] <curlyears> heigh hough
[14:13] <tatertots> farblue are you having issues with name resolution...nslookup and or dig can be used to troubleshoot
[14:13] <AfterDark> O
[14:13] <Nasha> meow
[14:14] <Amul_macho> bhooh
[14:14] <tatertots> you can set a static dns entry if troubleshooting with nslookup/dig reveals that names are not resolving in the manner you expected
[14:15] <AfterDark> I'm seriously considering distrohopping to Ubuntu. :-p
[14:15] <Amul_macho> bye
[14:15] <Amul_macho> quit
[14:15] <Amul_macho> exit
[14:15] <deww> Amul_macho: /quit
[14:18] <farblue> tatertots: hello :) I’m trying to work out why resolvconf isn’t correctly setting up my /etc/resolv.conf file to contain ‘nameserver=127.0.0.1’ when I have dnsmasq active
[14:19] <ygrt> hi, i'm trying to install windows10 from ubuntu 16.04 (grub v2.02) onto a gpt drive (uefi). at first I tried to dd the iso, but the usb flash drive did not show up in the list of bootable drives. then i tried to create a ntfs partition, mark it bootable and copy all the contents of the iso over. now it showed up, but when i tried to boot into it, it wouldn't work and i'd just get back to the boot device selection
[14:19] <ygrt> so now i was hoping to boot the flash drive from ubuntu's grub
[14:19] <ygrt> but grub-mkconfig doesn't add an entry for the flash drive (sdb)
[14:20] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:20] <ygrt> os-prober is not very helpful :(
[14:22] <curlyears> vgrt:  that'll learn ya!  installing WinBlows 10, indeed.     :p
[14:23] <k1l_> ygrt: sounds more like a "how do i make a windows usb" than an ubuntu or grub issue?
[14:23] <ygrt> k1l_: tbh, i tried #grub but it's dead
[14:23] <ygrt> i figured some ppl here might know about os-prober or grub
[14:23] <k1l_> are you sure your windows iso is bootable?
[14:23] <EriC^^> ygrt: do you have another usb?
[14:24] <ygrt> EriC^^: not at hand
[14:24] <ygrt> i tried both with an mbr and a gpt table
[14:24] <EriC^^> ygrt: ok, extract the iso somewhere
[14:24] <ygrt> created a partition, set the boot flag, rsync'd the contents of the iso from the loop
[14:25] <EriC^^> and then from grub chainload the efi/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi file
[14:26] <akik> ygrt: for mbr boot you also need to write the mbr on the usb stick with install-mbr
[14:26] <alexia68> hello!
[14:26] <ygrt> akik: i created the mbr myself, on the usb drive
[14:27] <ygrt> EriC^^: what does the chainloader entry look like?
[14:28] <ygrt> EriC^^: i guess i have to set the root to 'hd1,gpt1' ?
[14:28] <EriC^^> try chainload (hdx,gptY)/efi/
[14:28] <EriC^^> maybe not
[14:29] <EriC^^> i dont have the entry right now
[14:29] <EriC^^> ill brb
[14:30] <ducasse> ygrt: the grub article on the arch wiki is quite good, maybe try that?
[14:30] <ygrt> EriC^^: ty, brb too, i'll give it a try
[14:33] <danst> apt-get update > W: Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty-updates/multiverse/binary-amd64/Packages  Something wicked happened resolving 'fe80::1%eth0:13128' (-9 - Address family for hostname not supported)
[14:33] <danst> for all mirrors
[14:34] <k1l_> your ipv6 is broken. the eth0 doesnt belong into it
[14:35] <danst> I don't want ipv6
[14:35] <OerHeks> danst, likely the mirror gets updated, try again in a minute
[14:35] <danst> I didn't do anything to enable it or something
[14:36] <danst> I probably should try another mirror
[14:38] <danst> I really don't get it
[14:38] <danst> other mirrors don't work either
[14:38] <danst> still Something wicked happened resolving 'fe80::1%eth0:13128' (-9 - Address family for hostname not supported)
[14:39] <danst> I am able to ping ipv4 hosts from this system and there's no any ipv6 routes
[14:39] <ducasse> danst: you could try disabling ipv6 entirely, see if that helps.
[14:40] <danst> how
[14:40] <danst> ip -6 a del fe80::216:3eff:feaa:8772/64 dev eth0
[14:40] <danst> I did this
[14:40] <danst> and still same result
[14:41] <danst> can this be a bug in apt?
[14:45] <Guest18386> hu?
[14:45] <LibertyWeNeed> How to I delete this folder on my computer which is in the home folder. it has a padlock on it
[14:46] <Guest18386> Hey Liberty!
[14:46] <Guest18386> Lol I am the anonymousOsGuy XD
[14:46] <LibertyWeNeed> Hi, I don't know who that is.
[14:46] <Guest18386> But I would say when deleting a file;
[14:46] <Guest18386> Use bash
[14:46] <Guest18386> or as an admin
[14:47] <LibertyWeNeed> can you break it down, I don't know how to do that.
[14:47] <Guest18386> Go 2 bash
[14:47] <ducasse> LibertyWeNeed: most likely a result of playing around with sudo in your homedir, so use sudo to remove it.
[14:47] <Nasha> Kernel-RT faster regular Kernel for KVM?
[14:47] <Guest18386> Yeah exactly
[14:47] <LibertyWeNeed> ducasse, how do I use sudo to do that?
[14:47] <Guest18386> I am used to windows soooo, idk XD
[14:48] <OerHeks> Nasha, no, rt kernel is more dedicated to audio/video performance iirc
[14:48] <OerHeks> but sure you can try
[14:48] <ducasse> LibertyWeNeed: 'sudo rm -rf name-of-directory'. just make _sure_ you actually want to delete it first.
[14:49] <Guest18386> windows it is more simple ;-;
[14:49] <LibertyWeNeed> Thank you :)
[14:49] <Guest18386> But I think I get it
[14:49] <Nasha> And on mech?
[14:49] <Guest18386> Macs... Cool, Good cmd line
[14:50] <LibertyWeNeed> where does it put the file? I don't see it in the rubbish bin.
[14:50] <Guest18386> Idk
[14:50] <Guest18386> Search your admin dir
[14:50] <ducasse> LibertyWeNeed: it deletes it.
[14:50] <LibertyWeNeed> ok, thanks :)
[14:51] <Guest18386> Lost data?
[14:51] <toothe> How are snaps different from regular apt-get?
[14:51] <Guest18386> Wasn't it some net file?
[14:52] <ducasse> toothe: snaps are self-contained with all dependencies, and more isolated from the rest of the system.
[14:52] <Pici> toothe: as I understand it, it is a container that includes the packages dependencies. Theres an architecture document out there that explains it a bit better.
[14:53] <Guest18386> I'm more of a net dev...
[14:53] <dippu> join
[14:53] <dippu> help
[14:53] <Guest18386> wut
[14:53] <Pici> dippu: with what?
[14:54] <dippu> download octave
[14:54] <toothe> Pici: is there at document? i'd be interested.
[14:54] <toothe> At this point, if its not on YouTube, its not real knowledge.
[14:55] <dippu> hy
[14:55] <ducasse> dippu: 'sudo apt install octave'
[14:56] <dippu> didnt work
[14:56] <ducasse> dippu: that's a really poor problem description.
[14:56] <k1l_> dippu: what didnt work?
[14:57] <dippu> ok
[14:57] <Pici> toothe: its long, but https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/security-whitepaper/ has a lot of good internals information, the pages here: https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/guides/ explain the same thing but at a higher level.
[14:57] <toothe> I work in security, so I should know it.
[14:58] <toothe> although, we're a CentOS/RHEL shop.
[14:58] <dippu> i installede octave to work with my project preparation but it couldnot download all packages and didnt function properly on my pc
[14:58] <ducasse> !details | dippu
[15:00] <k1l_> dippu: what error do you get? what commands did you use?
[15:01] <dippu> i used command that i get through a website... n m currently usind ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[15:02] <dippu> --
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[15:02] <dippu> !
[15:02] <k1l_> dippu: i still dont understand what your issue is. "sudo apt install octave" should install octave on your machine.
[15:03] <dippu> ! ok i ll paste trhe commands i usede
[15:03] <_th> Can you run a program (putty) as root from the launcher (ubuntu 16.04 LTS)? or is other suggestions?
[15:03] <k1l_> dippu: use paste.ubuntu.com for that
[15:03] <ducasse> !paste | dippu
[15:04] <k1l_> _th: as root? :/
[15:04] <dippu> paste.ubuntu.com
[15:04] <dippu> ok
[15:04] <Greenlight> I've just installed 16.04. Seems unity is killing my CPU since I've added a 3rd screen, and I've a 4th still to add. I don't need any 3D support. Is there anything I can do to make it less laggy?
[15:05] <rigel_> since when did ubuntu switch to suggesting apt instead of apt-get when a command is run that requires a new package to be installed?
[15:05] <_th> k1l_: not sure but i think root, yes.  It won't let me connect unless i run from the command line "sudo putty"
[15:05] <k1l_> _th: that is wrong
[15:05] <ducasse> _th: you shouldn't be running programs as root, you have regular user accounts for that.
[15:05] <toothe> if snaps create isolated environments for each package, doesn't that mean a lot of redundancy?
[15:06] <ducasse> toothe: they can share components.
[15:06] <toothe> and each app is silod?
[15:06] <toothe> each component, excuse me.
[15:06] <_th> k1l_: I thought so but I can't get it to run any other way.  I tried "chown me:me putty".  didn't work
[15:06] <k1l_> toothe: yes. but if you dont want back to the depency hell then that is the only solution. but they guys in #snappy will explain it better
[15:06] <ducasse> toothe: they're more isolated than regular packages, at least.
[15:07] <toothe> I see...
[15:07] <toothe> it seems to be the best in a server environment.
[15:07] <k1l_> _th: i guess you already ruined file permissions with running everything blindly as root.
[15:07] <dippu> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:picaso/octave sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install octave
[15:07] <dippu> these commands
[15:07] <nacc> dippu: why are you using a ppa for octave?
[15:08] <k1l_> dippu: ok, why did you use a 3rd party octave and not the octave from ubuntu?
[15:08] <dippu> ok
[15:08] <_th> k1l_: I uninstalled and reinstalled putty so it's back in /usr/bin/putty
[15:08] <dippu> i tried that to from app store but it didnt download complete
[15:08] <k1l_> dippu: and that ppa is only for ubuntu 12.04. so you did it all wrong
[15:08] <_th> k1l_: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 929104 Mar 24 09:56 putty
[15:08] <whlai> hey everyone, I'm telneting into an AS400. When using ubuntu 16, the bash doesn't display the right characters (when I push "S", it displays "sS"). This doesn't happen with U14. Just with U16 maqchines. any ideas?
[15:09]  * toothe wonders if Mint will get snaps
[15:09] <k1l_> _th: look into your homefolder and see what you already ruined with running stuff as root
[15:09] <dippu> ok <kill> suggest me the right commands please
[15:10] <k1l_> sudo ppa-purge ppa:picaso/octave     << dippu
[15:10] <nacc> k1l_: if that's true, then probably dippu's `apt-get install octave` would have installed the archive version?
[15:10] <nacc> dippu: `apt-cache policy octave` in a pastebin?
[15:10] <_th> k1l_: sorry, i don't understand that.  I installed putty via "ubuntu software". it came up as root by default.
[15:10] <nacc> _th: do you mean you are ssh'ing as root?
[15:11] <k1l_> nacc yeah. should have. but that ppa will error if there are no 16.04 packages at all
[15:11] <nacc> k1l_: ah good point
[15:11] <ducasse> _th: of course the binary is owned by root, but you have execute permission.
[15:12] <_th> ducasse: oh, can you tell me how to do that? thanks!
[15:12] <dippu> i ve now re installed ubuntu so that i can go through beginning....
[15:12] <ducasse> _th: type 'putty'?
[15:14] <_th> ducasse: no sorry, i get a dialog box "Putt fatal error" Unable to open connection, unable to open serial port (etc) but if i run it as sudo, it works
[15:15] <Pici> whlai: you may want to consider using a tool that you can conifgure the correct emulation options on. c3270/x3270 appear to primarily support connections to an AS/400, but putty can probably also assist here.
[15:15] <ducasse> _th: most likely because your user does not have access to the serial port. try adding your user to the 'dialup' group.
[15:16] <_th> ducasse: ah, let me look at that, thanks
[15:16] <christian_> Hello community how do you remove the message icon on the panel and leave only the icons for sound control and network? Im using xubuntu 14.04 xfce 4.10
[15:16] <ducasse> _th: you need to log out and in again afterwards.
[15:16] <akik> whlai: have you tried setting the TERM variable to reflect the terminal you're using?
[15:16] <k1l_> _th: how did you install putty? from the ubuntu repo?
[15:18] <akik> whlai: just a reminder that your telnet connection probably goes in clear text over the wire
[15:19] <whlai> I havbe not tried that akik
[15:19] <whlai> let me look into doing that
[15:19] <whlai> googlefu time
[15:20] <AfterDark> I'm planning on distro hopping to Ubuntu for the first time. Should I use the LTS release or the standard release?
[15:20] <k1l_> AfterDark: the most recent is 16.04, which is LTS at the same time
[15:21] <dippu> is matlab free on ubuntu?
[15:21]  * toothe is looking to see this discussion
[15:21] <toothe> I used LTS in the past.
[15:21] <toothe> I'm going to switch back from Mint.
[15:22] <k1l_> dippu: no
[15:22] <toothe> but wanting to see what the discussion-points are on about.
[15:22] <toothe> I pretty much just use vim/terminals, so at some point its all the same to me though.
[15:22] <dippu> ok
[15:23] <toothe> but I wonder if my wife could run Ubuntu easily. She's non-technical.
[15:23] <toothe> (well she is, but not like me)
[15:23] <dippu> suggest me any useful free applications available for physical science please
[15:23] <ash_workz> I know this is *totally* the channel to ask this, but is there a good ms windows channel?
[15:23] <nacc> !alis | ash_workz
[15:23] <nacc> ash_workz: iirc, it's #windows or ##windows or something
[15:25] <dippu> commands to update ubuntu software please?.... help
[15:27] <k1l_> dippu: "sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade" in terminal
[15:27] <dippu> thank you for octave and update tooo............. octave worked fine now
[15:28] <josh8> Hi all. SUSE's zypper shows in its package search output an "i" next to installed packages. Is it possible to show a similar indicator with apt-cache search?
[15:28] <ducasse> josh8: dpkg -l
[15:28] <_th> k1l_: yes, putty from the "ubuntu software" icon in launcher
[15:31] <josh8> ducasse: Thanks, but I would like to search for all packages (not just installed ones) and just have an additional indicator to see which of the found packages are already installed. This seems to be impossible on the terminal.
[15:34] <ducasse> josh8: 'apt list' tags installed packages.
[15:36] <mcphail> josh8: use "aptitude"
[15:37] <mcphail> josh8: it will give you a curses interface
[15:37] <Felishia> help
[15:37] <Felishia> I installed ubuntu mate
[15:37] <Felishia> and now I don't have any taskbard
[15:38] <Felishia> only terminal
[15:38] <nacc> !mate | Felishia
[15:38] <nacc> Felishia: hrm, sorry, mistyped
[15:38] <josh8> ducasse: Thanks, but this is really slow, because it needs to output all packages on the terminal
[15:38] <nacc> Felishia: you mean you don't have a desktop?
[15:38] <Felishia> I have to open everything via terminal
[15:38] <Felishia> I do have a desktop
[15:38] <josh8> mcphail: Thanks, I will try aptitude
[15:38] <Felishia> then mate crashed and now I have no bars at all
[15:38] <masculinity> Felishia: frizzier
[15:38] <masculinity> josh8: toured
[15:38] <Felishia> only terminal
[15:38] <masculinity> Felishia: Faisal
[15:38] <Felishia> I restarted the computer but it didn't work
[15:38] <masculinity> Felishia: injustices
[15:39] <ducasse> josh8: wasn't that what you wanted?
[15:39] <masculinity> ducasse: Sonya
[15:39] <Felishia> there is however, the space that the bars should take
[15:39] <masculinity> Felishia: Mellon
[15:39] <Felishia> so mate is broken
[15:39] <masculinity> Felishia: adze's
[15:39] <SP33D> hello my frinds can some one plz maybe help me and tell me if there is any kind of service offering system already for nodejs ??? my goal would be to have workers and each worker does 50 jobs at time not more not less
[15:39] <masculinity> SP33D: viticulture's
[15:39] <nacc> !ops
[15:39] <masculinity> nacc: deceived
[15:39] <masculinity> ubottu: professions
[15:39] <nacc> please kick masculinity
[15:39] <masculinity> nacc: Erich
[15:40] <okan_> Hi guys
[15:40] <masculinity> okan_: transposition's
[15:40] <Felishia> I'm going to restart again to see if it works
[15:40] <masculinity> Felishia: rucksack's
[15:40] <Felishia> how do I restart via terminal
[15:40] <masculinity> Felishia: quintessential
[15:40] <DArqueBishop> Felishia: sudo reboot
[15:40] <okan_> how are we today
[15:40] <josh8> ducasse: I want something like "apt list | grep search-term"
[15:41] <ducasse> josh8: why not just 'apt list search-term'?
[15:41] <okan_> i have a problem
[15:42] <Felishia> no luck
[15:42] <Felishia> I still have no taskbars
[15:42] <Felishia> so how do I fix that?
[15:42] <mcphail> josh8: just use "aptitude search packagename"
[15:42] <Felishia> plus I can't even use the space there the bars are supposed to be
[15:43] <mcphail> josh8: an initial "i" means installed, "p" means no trace on your system, "c" means uninstalled but config still present etc
[15:43] <nacc> !help | okan_
[15:44] <mcphail> josh8: or use "aptitude" on its own to bring up a curses interface with even more details
[15:44] <josh8> ducasse, mcphail: apt list "*pattern*" works, but aptitude has much better output
[15:44] <_th> Ok, for my awesome helpers, adding me to the "dialout" group solved the problem for putty (not) running from the launcher.  thanks so much.
[15:45] <ducasse> _th: good :)
[15:45] <_th> ducasse: it didn't work until I logger out/back-in like you said. you're king!
[15:45] <Felishia> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate/+bug/1473021
[15:46] <Felishia> okay so it will never work
[15:46] <Felishia> how do I remove mate and get normal unity?
[15:48] <neil_> Hi ... I have just installed dnsmasq why is it binding to fe80::7e05:7ff:fe0c::53 and fe80::2c31:48ff:fec5:53 ... I haven't done any ipv6 configuration
[15:48] <Felishia> can someone say somewhere that mate doesn't work well when you have two desktops?
[15:48] <Montoya> Felishia: colonizes
[15:48] <Ben64> neil_: those are link local ipv6 addresses, nothing to worry about
[15:48] <Montoya> Ben64: waterpower's
[15:48] <rypervenche> neil_: Those are the link local addresses.
[15:48] <Montoya> rypervenche: applicant
[15:48] <Felishia> I spent all day on this and now it doesn't work
[15:49] <Felishia> how do I remove mate now?
[15:49] <neil_> Ben64, rypervenche, thanks
[15:49] <timyp> rm: cannot remove â€˜/var/vmail/vmail1/ypcr.com/y/p/c/ypcrvoicemail-2016.07.06.19.34.24/Maildir/cur/*â€™: No such file or directory
[15:50] <rypervenche> timyp: Seems you're back. Can you pastebin the entire script, please? And can you show us how your cron is running? (i.e., crontab -l)
[15:50] <timyp> why would that happen in a bash script run as cron whats with the â€™ ? if I run the script with sh scriptname.sh
[15:50] <thesubroot> Hi everyone, is it possible to move my home directory from PC1 (16.04) to PC2 (14.04) ?
[15:50] <timyp> sure one sec
[15:50] <rypervenche> timyp: My point still stands that you should use find with -delet, as the * will not delete files beginning with a .
[15:52] <timyp> # purge ypcrvoicemail mailbox
[15:52] <timyp> #!/bin/bash
[15:52] <timyp> rm /var/vmail/vmail1/ypcr.com/y/p/c/ypcrvoicemail-2016.07.06.19.34.24/Maildir/cur/*
[15:52] <timyp> thats it thats the entire script
[15:52] <ducasse> thesubroot: you can, but some programs on 14.04 might have problems with th 16.04 config
[15:53] <timyp> rypervenche what syntax do you suggest I use ?
[15:53] <thesubroot> @ducasse, I am only concerned for the rvm/nvm config and my ssh keys
[15:54] <rypervenche> timyp: find /var/vmail/vmail1/ypcr.com/y/p/c/ypcrvoicemail-2016.07.06.19.34.24/Maildir/cur/ -mindepth 1 -type f -delete
[15:55] <ducasse> thesubroot: ssh keys shouldn't be a problem, dunno about rvm/nvm.
[15:55] <timyp> okay I'll try that and report back in the AM after the cron runs, I'd manually run it now but the mailbox is already cleared since I ran the script
[15:55] <thesubroot> @ducass thanks
[15:56] <timyp> ok next script problem
[15:56] <timyp> this script
[15:56] <timyp> #!/bin/bash
[15:56] <timyp> #cd /root/backups
[15:56] <timyp> #archiving maildir
[15:57] <timyp> #backuping up user calanders & contacts Sogo users only
[15:57] <timyp> #read http://wiki.sogo.nu/backupRestore for restore instructions
[15:57] <ducasse> timyp: use a pastebin,please
[15:57] <timyp> echo "backuping up user calanders & contacts"
[15:57] <timyp> sogo-tool backup /var/vmail/backup/sogobackups ALL
[15:57] <rypervenche> timyp: Can you PLEASE use a pastbin?
[15:57] <timyp> echo "SoGo backup complete"
[15:57] <timyp> ok
[15:58] <timyp> ok http://pastebin.com/9DvsbfYS
[15:58] <timyp> sogo-tool backup /var/vmail/backup/sogobackups ALL works from command line no problem
[15:59] <timyp> when I run the script again now problems
[15:59] <timyp> when it runs as crons and I get the output emailed to me "/var/vmail/backup/maildir-archiver.sh: line 8: sogo-tool: command not found"
[15:59] <timyp> wft up with this one?
[15:59] <rypervenche> timyp: Because the PATH in cron is not set. Use the full path to sogo-tool.
[16:00] <rypervenche> PATH it cron is not set the same way it is in your normal environment.
[16:00] <timyp> hmm thats not a bad idea
[16:00] <timyp> your pretty sharp!
[16:01] <timyp> ok same deal i;ll change it and we will see what happens in the AM, hopefully you will still be here rypervenche ??
[16:01] <rypervenche> timyp: If you want to see the differences, either echo $PATH in a cronjob or run the "/usr/bin/env" command. Then run in in your terminal to see the differences.
[16:01] <rypervenche> timyp: I'm here everyday.^^ But you might need to highlight my name for me to may attention.
[16:03] <rypervenche> pay*
[16:04] <timyp> okay thanks modifying the script to /usr/sbin/sogo-tool backup /var/vmail/backup/sogobackups ALL looks good to me. Thanks again!
[16:07] <RoundDuckMan> I feel paronoid about dpkg and apt-get, how do I reinstall them, while not using the "damaged" tools (probably not damaged, but I'm OCD)
[16:08] <kyle__> RoundDuckMan: I have no idea what you're telling me.
[16:09] <RoundDuckMan> kyle__: how do I delete and reinstall dpkg and apt-get
[16:09] <rypervenche> RoundDuckMan: Why do you need to do this?
[16:09] <kyle__> apt-get caches the packages it downloads and installs in /var/cache/ somewhere, so you can always re-install packages later.  All of the packages come with checksums, and dpkg -V can be used to verify them.
[16:09] <kyle__> RoundDuckMan: You install the newer version, it replaces.
[16:09] <rypervenche> RoundDuckMan: You can use dpkg -V, as kyle__ stated to see if any of the files that were installed have been tampered with.
[16:11] <kyle__> RoundDuckMan: Since these are the core of the system, I don't think you can forcibly remove them before installing the new version.
[16:11] <sine0> seeing as ubuntu is based on debian, If I were to apt-get a gimp/inkscape/filezilla ETC version from ubuntu would that be the same or would it differ from say debian with xfce4 installed
[16:11] <nacc> sine0: some packages are in sync, some are different
[16:12] <RoundDuckMan> kyle__: I feel a little paranoid, one time I think after reinstalling linux+drivers, I remember the usual GNOME 3 bug wasn't happening, where there is minor lag in some animations (usually due to vsync I guess), but after reinstalling apt from packages.ubuntu.com, and updating that and reinstalling linux+ the intel MESA driver, things are back to n
[16:12] <RoundDuckMan> ormal. I wonder why.
[16:12] <nacc> sine0: and it would depend on *which* ubuntu and *which* debian you mean ;)
[16:12] <RoundDuckMan> is there a driver log
[16:13] <sine0> i always use debian netinstall on things, even vms for dev, so quick to drop in, but I have a new laptop with windows 10 on it and i will kill it soon with a hammer if it imposes itself on my again. so i want to know seeing as i always use a desktop manager on my laptop, do i use ubuntu, or debian and just pull in xfce4
[16:14] <nacc> sine0: that seems like it's totally up to you?
[16:14] <sine0> i suppose i dont really know whats in it behind the scenes from debian to ubuntu
[16:14] <sine0> as in benefits
[16:14] <sine0> apart from the desktop/wm
[16:15] <rypervenche> sine0: I would say that you should read up on the two different distributions. While Ubuntu is based on Debian, there is still a lot that is different.
[16:27] <RoundDuckMan> Fine, let me state a different question, what if dpkg was corrupted?
[16:28] <RoundDuckMan> not saying it is, but I'm paronoid.
[16:28] <ducasse> RoundDuckMan: come back when it is :)
[16:28] <RoundDuckMan> debsum hasn't found anything, but what if it's lying to me, because what if apt/dpkg was messed up?
[16:32] <RoundDuckMan> The reason is because after reinstalling apt, apt was a bit faster again, plus I wonder that's also why, after a kernel and driver and GNOME reinstallation, things are back to normal now, as in the bug in GNOME where lag is seen in some animations is back again, and vsync is working perfectly again (meaning they're tied together in some form). Howe
[16:32] <RoundDuckMan> ver, before when I tried a reinstall of those stuff, it didn't fully fix vsync, so I'm wondering my package manager was glitching altogether in some form after all and if so, I'm worried dpkg was messed up...
[16:33] <RoundDuckMan> I got OCD.
[16:34] <nacc> RoundDuckMan: i don't think there's any evidence of any such corruption
[16:35] <RoundDuckMan> let me paste some dpkg logs and apt logs.
[16:35] <nacc> RoundDuckMan: please don't (or use a pastebin)
[16:35] <nacc> RoundDuckMan: by that i mean, nothing you've said indicates any apt or dpkg corruption
[16:35] <RoundDuckMan> not here, on ubuntu pastebin
[16:36] <ducasse> RoundDuckMan: why should we waste time on an imaginary problem?
[16:37] <RoundDuckMan> ducasse: well today my internet on my laptop wasn't working for a bit, even though my phone could get internet via the router.
[16:38] <RoundDuckMan> ducasse: that's one reason.
[16:38] <RoundDuckMan> ducasse: I'm just scared, my OCD convinces me of very stupid crap, I know I'm intelligent, but that isn't enough to not be convinced by your fears...
[16:38] <Ben64> internet wasn't working for a bit, so apt must be corrupt? wheres the logic
[16:39] <ducasse> RoundDuckMan: then deal with that, not a problem with apt there is _no_ indication of.
[16:39] <Ben64> and that isn't ocd
[16:39] <RoundDuckMan> Ben64: Because after reinstalling apt I reinstalled the kernel- wait ok yeah why would that happen?
[16:40] <Ben64> correlation does not imply causation
[16:42] <RoundDuckMan> Ben64: I'm sorry, I need help, OCD is driving me nuts, hell now I often obsessively check the battery for moisture (even though it's not likely), the SSD, the disc drive, reinstall crap many times, wash my hands obsessively, etc...
[16:42] <Ben64> go to a doctor
[16:42] <RoundDuckMan> Yes I'm one. :(
[16:43] <vacho> vacho
[16:43] <RoundDuckMan> My mom though thinks I can fight it myself because she did, but I don't have confidence, and I get scared...
[16:44] <Ben64> this isn't the channel to deal with such issues, this is for Ubuntu support only
[16:44] <ducasse> RoundDuckMan: we're not therapists.
[16:45] <RoundDuckMan> Oh come on, if Emacs can be a physiotherapist, (there's a quite funny part of Emacs that does that), then can Linux sysadmins can? :P
[16:46] <RoundDuckMan> Just kidding...
[16:46] <Guy1524_> hey guys I need help.  There is a bug when I boot my computer where when I launch an application from the taskbar in unity, the application opens, but the taskbar things it didn't open.  Its not in the ALT+TAB menu either
[16:46] <Guy1524_> the only thing that fixes it is restarting lightdm, but I have to do that everytime I boot
[16:46] <Guy1524_> does anyone know a solution?
[16:47] <RoundDuckMan> Well I'll leave from here, bye.
[16:49] <CzBob> Hi, I have problem with internet conection. I am conected to wifi, but internet dont work. I have ubuntu 13.10 run on Thinkpad X200.
[16:50] <ducasse> CzBob: 13.10 is long dead.
[16:50] <CzBob> Ping: unknown host
[16:51] <ducasse> CzBob: we don't support eol releases, you need to upgrade.
[16:52] <CzBob> ok, but without internet conection...
[16:52] <CzBob> ducasse: ok, but without internet conection...
[16:53] <CzBob> One day everything work as well, but today is internet death.
[16:53] <compdoc> a man cannot live without a internet connection
[16:53] <OerHeks> without internet, you start smelling people again .. wait, this is not 'offtopic
[16:54] <CzBob> compdoc> :)) Only way is fresh install...
[16:54] <Guy1524_> anyone have a solution to my unity problem
[16:55] <Guy1524_> am I the only one who got those messages?
[16:56] <ducasse> !patience | Guy1524_
[16:57] <akik> Guy1524_: which messages?
[16:57] <Guy1524_> akik: I got spam in the chat
[16:58] <Guy1524_> something about #wrongplanet being full of facists
[16:58] <OerHeks> Guy1524_, report that in #ubuntu-ops please :-)
[16:59] <Guy1524_> ok, thanks
[16:59] <Guy1524_> http://i.imgur.com/w2t0D3O.png
[17:00] <compdoc> Guy1524_, i got them too
[17:00] <Guy1524_> about my earlier question, the restarting lightdm solution only works when I have already logged in
[17:01] <Andy> hi i'm using Lubuntu 14.04 and have the latest chrome  Version 51.0.2704.106 (64-bit)
[17:01] <Guy1524_> would it be helpful for me to screen capture the problem
[17:01] <trickster> hi
[17:01] <trickster> sorry guys i have some pb
[17:02] <Andy> the chromecast to my samsung seems to have problem now like the sound and video is not smooth...it's stuck after a few mins and normal again and stuck again
[17:02] <trickster> for the first time i can't install ubuntu with the cd rom i don't know why
[17:02] <Andy> i want to revert chrome to the previous version
[17:02] <Andy> how do I do that please?
[17:02] <trickster> i choose in the menu language etc
[17:02] <trickster> and it fail at the partition because i can't select nothing
[17:02] <trickster> the menu list no partition
[17:02] <OerHeks> Andy, chrome is not in our repos, and google does not provide old versions AFAIK
[17:04] <OerHeks> !ops
[17:04] <Myrtti> OerHeks: ?
[17:05] <alchemistswl> edgy
[17:06] <Guy1524_> guys, idk about you, but Im seeing a ton of spam right now
[17:06] <Ben64> yep, it's being dealt with
[17:06] <OerHeks> Thank you Myrtti, just making screenshots as they used network spam, and channel spam together
[17:12] <Guy1524_> ok guys, I just recorded the problem, here is the link: 173.72.189.135/bug.mkv
[17:15] <Guy1524_> does reinstalling a package reset its config too?
[17:16] <Backwards> Guy1524 it may. It is better to purge or delete the package and start anew.
[17:16] <Bashing-om> Guy1524_: Depends . Is the config files in kernel or user space ? .. user space files will not be touched .
[17:17] <Guy1524_> ok, well I used apt remove on lightdm and then installed it again, but the problem I am having is still happening
[17:17] <Backwards> Always backup important files first.
[17:18] <Backwards> Once you backup your files then you can destroy or purge command.
[17:19] <Guy1524_> why would I need to backup my files
[17:19] <Backwards> That was a suggestion.
[17:20] <Backwards> sudo apt-get purge <package-name>
[17:20] <hggdh> Guy1524_: we do not back up our file because we are going to do something destructive, but because something destructive may happen
[17:21] <Guy1524_> ok, I just purged and reinstalled lightdm, rebooting now
[17:21] <rafaelcenteio> Hi, my HDMI monitor is not giving output sound, although on pavucontrol everything seems to be working fine (already chose the HDMI stereo as the output device).
[17:21] <rafaelcenteio> uname -a
[17:21] <rafaelcenteio> Linux 4.4.0-31-generic #50-Ubuntu SMP Wed Jul 13 00:07:12 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[17:22] <rafaelcenteio> Any help? Thanks in advance.
[17:22] <ducasse> rafaelcenteio: and it isn't muted?
[17:23] <rafaelcenteio> ducasse: No.
[17:23] <Backwards> Removing a <package-name> is different from purging a <package-name>
[17:23] <Guy1524_> ok purging and reinstalling did nothing
[17:23] <kperminov> hello
[17:24] <Backwards> Did you sudo apt-get update before purging and after?
[17:24] <kperminov> i have a trouble with kernel 4.4.0-31
[17:24] <Guy1524_> Backwards: no
[17:25] <Guy1524_> I am doing sudo apt upgrade right now
[17:25] <Guy1524_> to see if that fixes anything
[17:25] <Backwards> It may or not.
[17:25] <Backwards> You may to check if the package needs "dependencies"
[17:25] <kperminov> I have WiFi Broadcom BCM43142. Now I'm on 4.4.0-28 and it works good.
[17:26] <Guy1524_> when I booted in a minute ago, I got a internal error saying xorg crashed if that helps
[17:26] <Backwards> Is it a server problem?
[17:27] <Guy1524_> Backwards: if you are talking to me, no, this is on a laptop
[17:27] <rafaelcenteio> Btw, alsamixer does not seem to recognize the device.
[17:29] <Cysc0> how goes it everyone, does anyone know how to enable touchpad while typing? I've tried a few options and can't seem to get it to work.
[17:31] <rypervenche> kperminov: Check what dmesg says about the wifi firmware.
[17:32] <Backwards> Guy1524 When a lot of people come on any channel on the IRC they always leave out important information so when a person tries to help, they are left in the dark because they don't know all of the specifications.
[17:33] <Backwards> Before you come to the IRC try Google and first and foremost go to the programmers' website.
[17:34] <Egyptian[Web]> hi - i am trying to run pvcreate /dev/sdb and it returns "Device /dev/sdb not found (or ignored by filtering)" i checked /etc/lvm/lvm.conf and all filters are disabled. any pointers pls?
[17:38] <Backwards> Guy1524 if xorg crashed error occurred, perhaps a daemon stopped working to talk to that website.
[17:38] <Guy1524_> Backwards: what website
[17:38] <Backwards> You said above xorg.
[17:39] <Guy1524_> also, I recorded the problem in a video above
[17:39] <rypervenche> Egyptian[Web]: Can you run: fdisk -l for us please?
[17:39] <Guy1524_> xorg is not a website
[17:39] <tgm4883> Backwards: xorg isn't a website
[17:39] <Egyptian[Web]> https://thepb.in/p/zmh8YLyMQmkhZ fdisk -l
[17:40] <t3kg33k> greetings
[17:40] <Guy1524_> also, sudo apt upgrade did nothing
[17:40] <t3kg33k> in 16.04. how do i temporarily boot into console?
[17:40] <Guy1524_> have you guys seen the video of my problem?
[17:41] <tgm4883> Guy1524: I have not
[17:41] <wingpal> I am veeeery new one with backbox.... any good tutorials?
[17:41] <Backwards> I have Googled it: https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=955672
[17:41] <Guy1524_> ok, well here it is again: 173.72.189.135/bug.mkv
[17:41] <Egyptian[Web]> https://thepb.in/p/mwh1o27pKp6S5 output of parted
[17:41] <nacc> !backbox | wingpal
[17:41] <Egyptian[Web]> rypervenche: ^^
[17:42] <rypervenche> Egyptian[Web]: If you want to use the entire disk, it must have no partition table.
[17:43] <Bashing-om> t3kg33k: Boot parameter ' systemd.unit=multi-user.target ' . Be aware .. one will have to enable and activate all desired services .
[17:43] <t3kg33k> awesome. thanks
[17:43] <Egyptian[Web]> rypervenche: yes see my parted output -its been deleted
[17:44] <nacc> t3kg33k: "boot into console" do you just mean view the console (ctrl+alt+f1)? or do you really want to not boot the graphics system at all?
[17:44] <Backwards> Guy1524 I saw the video.
[17:44] <Guy1524_> k
[17:44] <rypervenche> Egyptian[Web]: No, there is a GPT on the disk. You have to use gdisk and go into expert options (x) and zap the partition table (z) on sdb.
[17:44] <tgm4883> Guy1524: I didn't bring my headphones today
[17:45] <Guy1524> tgm4883: there is not audio
[17:45] <Guy1524> *no
[17:45] <tgm4883> Guy1524: ok, so then I'm not sure what I'm looking at
[17:45] <Guy1524> its just a 10-15 second video clip
[17:45] <Guy1524> see the taskbar
[17:45] <Egyptian[Web]> gdisk ok .. will look in to that ..thx
[17:45] <tgm4883> yea I watched it
[17:45] <Guy1524> see how the running applications dont show in the taskbar
[17:45] <tgm4883> ah
[17:45] <Guy1524> and how they aren't in ALT+TAB either
[17:46] <Backwards> It looks like your system crashed or hung.
[17:46] <tgm4883> Guy1524: what about for a guest user, does it work for a guest user?
[17:46] <Guy1524_> tgm4883: ill check right now
[17:47] <Guy1524_> tgm4883: also, if you didn't hear earlier.  Restarting lightdm after logging in temporarily fixes the problem until I reboot again
[17:48] <Backwards> I noticed the screen graphic resolution on that video. It may be set too high for what you are doing. Sometimes that causes failure.
[17:49] <Guy1524_> tgm4883: the same problem happens on a guest session
[17:49] <watermark> Early in the morning of July 19, on all of my 16.04 servers, apache stopped.  I can't seem to find a mention of the issue anywhere
[17:49] <Guy1524_> that is until I restart lightdm
[17:49] <Backwards> Watermark check your syslogs.
[17:50] <watermark> Backwards: all it says is that apache stopped
[17:51] <Backwards> Did you try: /etc/init.d/apache2/ restart
[17:51] <tgm4883> watermark: anything in your apache logs from around the time it stopped
[17:51] <watermark> Backwards: Apache comes up fine.  It's just strange that it stopped at all
[17:51] <watermark> tgm4883: nothing interesting, even systemd just says the service stopped
[17:51] <tgm4883> odd
[17:52] <Backwards> Watermark are you the only person that has access to those servers?
[17:52] <watermark> Backwards: kinda, but technically no.
[17:53] <Guy1524_> if this helps, when I log in for the first time, it takes ~15 seconds to log in, but after I either log out or sudo servive lightdm restart, I log in almost immediately, and the bug doesn't happen
[17:53] <watermark> Backwards: they all stopped at the same time, so if it was someone else, it would have to be a scheduled event...which is even more strange
[17:53] <Backwards> You may want to think about the last command you made and look into the bash files and logs to see what that was and there may be a glitch in it or check as someone said here what was the last thing you did.
[17:54] <Backwards> It also may not be the servers. It could be a MODEM or Router issue.
[17:54] <watermark> Backwards: I was more looking to see if there was a known update borking things.
[17:54] <watermark> Backwards: I really don't think a router could stop a service
[17:54] <tgm4883> watermark: I've not heard of one, but you could check your apt history log and see if any updates happened
[17:54] <Backwards> Always look at the whole picture.
[17:55] <watermark> tgm4883: fair point
[17:55] <tgm4883> Backwards: a modem/router issue isn't going to stop apache
[17:55] <Backwards> If you didn't touch all of the servers and they all have the same issue, then something is amiss.
[17:56] <tgm4883> watermark: how many servers
[17:56] <watermark> tgm4883: ya, didn't think to check apt logs.  apache was upgraded at the time it stopped.  Guess it broght the service down and didn't start it back up
[17:57] <tgm4883> watermark: upgrading apache probably does a restart of apache, weird it didn't come back up though
[17:57] <Rg_> I recently bought a domain on GoDaddy and I want to host the site on my Ubuntu Server.
[17:57] <watermark> tgm4883: I have the same thoughts.  Hopefully it's a fluke and doesn't happen next upgrade
[17:58] <SchrodingersScat> Rg_: great!  point the domain to your IP and you should be set.
[17:58] <Rg_> Can you tell me how can I do it
[17:58] <Bashing-om> Guy1524_: Any hints in the log file .xsession-errors in your /home ?
[17:58] <watermark> Rg_: that's a big topic.  Too big for IRC IMO
[17:59] <Guy1524_> Bashing-om: checking now
[17:59] <tgm4883> Rg_: basically, you'd need a static IP address on your ubuntu server, then you'd need to go into  your godaddy account and create an A record in your DNS to point to your static IP address
[18:00] <Backwards> Watermark check this site out: http://superuser.com/questions/38717/how-can-i-undo-or-rollback-an-apt-get-upgrade-command-on-ubuntu
[18:00] <Guy1524_> Bashing-om: I have two things lines:  openConnection: connect: no such file or directory
[18:00] <tgm4883> Backwards: I don't think he's trying to roll back
[18:00] <Rg_> @tgm4883: Ok
[18:00] <Guy1524_> and cannot connect to brltty at :0
[18:01] <watermark> Backwards: ya, apache starts fine, it just should have come back up by itself after the update
[18:01] <Backwards> Tgm wasn't sure, though thanks for the input.
[18:01] <watermark> Backwards, tgm4883, thanks for the help
[18:01] <Backwards> Watermark your welcome.
[18:05] <Lost_> alguem do brasil ?
[18:05] <Pici> !br | Lost_
[18:06] <rohan> on my ubuntu machine, font rendering in firefox is *much* better than in chrome. is there a way to make chrome's font rendering match firefox?
[18:06] <rohan> I mean the rendering in webpages, not the UI elements
[18:09] <Felishia> help
[18:09] <Backwards> Rohan are you building website or websites?
[18:09] <rohan> Backwards:  i am not, i just mean rendering on websites like facebook.com
[18:09] <Felishia> I think that a project in ubuntu was some sort of rootkit
[18:09] <Backwards> What do you mean by "rendering?"
[18:09] <Felishia> sorry in github
[18:10] <Felishia> help
[18:10] <Guy1524> so, nobody has a clue about unity not showing running applications?
[18:10] <Kirito> Is there a way to have a single application run with a custom GTK theme? I found a reference to GTK_THEME, but this does not appear to work. Is it possibly because this will only work with apps that actually use gtk3 instead of gtk2?
[18:10] <rohan> Backwards: what the fonts look like
[18:11] <Backwards> Rohan is it with your GUI on your Ubuntu box that you are concerned about? Or on a website?
[18:12] <Backwards> Most websites have a specified <font> that they use and they determine what ASCII or other font to translate it to on web pages.
[18:12] <Egyptian[Web]> i used gdisk to delete the partition and same thing. i still see it in fdisk and pvcreate /dev/sdb gives me the same error   Device /dev/sdb not found (or ignored by filtering).
[18:13] <rohan> Backwards: um, to rephrase, the text looks much better on firefox than in chrome. (not sure if i'm using the right words)
[18:13] <Backwards> Then use Firefox instead.
[18:13] <Kirito> :|
[18:13] <Kirito> That's not very helpful
[18:13] <Kirito> rohan, This is a known thing
[18:13] <Kirito> Hang on
[18:13] <Backwards> Firefox and Chrome use their own <default fonts>
[18:14] <rohan> Backwards: unfortunately, i am too used to using chrome -- switching to firefox is not a practical option for me
[18:14] <Kirito> rohan, http://www.binarytides.com/gorgeous-looking-fonts-ubuntu-linux/ <- I recommend trying out the steps listed there
[18:14] <rohan> Backwards: i tried changing chrome fonts to match what i thought firefox defaults were, but they're still bad
[18:14] <Backwards> Then go into the Settings and change the font of your choice.
[18:14] <rohan> thanks, Kirito , i'll give that a shot
[18:14] <rohan> Backwards: i already did that :)
[18:14] <tgm4883> rohan: have you taken a look at this yet http://askubuntu.com/questions/518115/chrome-chromium-fonts-look-bad-starting-from-version-37
[18:14] <Kirito> It's not just the font being used.
[18:14] <Kirito> It's actually the way Chrome renders fonts
[18:15] <Egyptian[Web]> rypervenche: i got the same error with gdisk
[18:15] <Backwards> Go to Chrome website and see what they say.
[18:16] <Guest62912> hi how to install linux games
[18:16] <Ben64> depends what game
[18:16] <OerHeks> !steam
[18:17] <Guest62912> oh i think its a penguin driving game
[18:17] <rohan> tgm4883: i did, but there's nothing really helpful there because of how old the version is
[18:17] <tgm4883> rohan: did you check Kirito's link?
[18:17] <rohan> Kirito: happen to know what the latest font config dir for ubuntu should be? i know that .fonts.config is deprecated
[18:17] <Backwards> Rohan Chrome attaches itself to Firefox. Maybe try resetting Firefox fonts and look into Firefox's default settings. You may see Chrome somewhere.
[18:17] <OerHeks> tuxcart
[18:17] <tgm4883> Guest62912: tuxracer?
[18:17] <rohan> tgm4883: in the process of implementing that :)
[18:18] <Guest62912> thats it
[18:18] <rohan> Backwards: i am not sure i understand what this means -- "Chrome attaches itself to Firefox"
[18:18] <alkisg> Guest62912: also check this one: https://supertuxkart.net/Main_Page
[18:18] <OerHeks> extremetuxracer, not normal tuxracer :-D
[18:18] <Ben64> rohan: nobody understands what that means
[18:18] <tgm4883> Backwards: No offense intended, but stop trying to help people.
[18:19] <Guest62912> my freind installed ubuntu on my system and i know nothing about it but i like it better than windows
[18:19] <Backwards> Rohan when you open Firefox type this in the URL:   about:config    <-----< see what you see and then you can edit Firefox that way. Most people don't know this.
[18:20] <Kirito> rohan, https://i.imgur.com/vHBIGkl.png Not exactly the best demonstration but that's how it looks for me
[18:21] <rohan> Kirito: thanks, that helps! I dropped the fontconfig file in ~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf. i'm going to try logging out and back in
[18:21] <Kirito> (also for reference I actually use Hack as my monospace font of choice)
[18:22] <Kirito> Let me know how it works :D I'm a bit OCD regarding my fonts as well
[18:23] <Bluewolf> Hi all, Could someone assist me in reversing this disastrous effect I have achieved, I've accidentally removed a number of important packages and would like to get them back :D. http://pastebin.com/etqEwEZQ
[18:23] <Backwards> By the way use: <about:config>  carefully.
[18:23] <Kirito> Font rendering is one of the things Ubuntu seems to do particularly well (though Chrome can will display meh)
[18:23] <rohan> Kirito: thank you so much. fonts in chrome look different now, but better than before. fonts in firefox look really bad now :P but oh well
[18:23] <rohan> I'll probably tweak the fontconfig file a bit more
[18:24] <Kirito> ahah, ah
[18:24] <Kirito> wait one moment
[18:24] <Kirito> the font config posted there is a bit dated, there's a patched version in the comments I used
[18:24] <rohan> oh, let me go find that
[18:24] <Kirito> https://gist.github.com/odony/6173112 here it is
[18:25] <OerHeks> Bluedid you update before installing?
[18:25] <OerHeks> seems like old lists did this ..
[18:25] <rohan> Kirito: thanks again. that is optimised for laptop displays, right?
[18:26] <rohan> Kirito: i mostly use an external 30" monitor, so i guess i might have to tweak it here and there.
[18:26] <Kirito> Yep, it should be anyways. I believe that configuration favors subpixel rendering though, which I've been told is actually sub-optimal for LCD's, but personally I can not decipher a difference between RGB and Grayscale anti-aliasing
[18:26] <Guy1524> guys, I need help, I tried resetting everying to default in unity tweak tool to solve the problem you guys couldn't solve earlier, but now unity is completely gone, I just see my desktop background and icons
[18:27] <Kirito> I also have a 3k 15" screen though, so that could be why
[18:27] <OerHeks> Bluewolf, and line 132, UELA not accepted for those funny fonts
[18:28] <Felishia> hello
[18:28] <Bluewolf> OerHeks: I'm lost, sorry?
[18:28] <OerHeks> Guy1524, removing lightdm is not a normal operation. so hard to say how to fix: apt-get -reinstall ubuntu-dekstop perhaps?
[18:28] <OerHeks> Bluedid you update before installing?
[18:28] <OerHeks> *did
[18:28] <Bluewolf> No
[18:29] <OerHeks> seems like old lists did this ..
[18:29] <alkisg> I think having an amd64 installation and trying to force install python:i386 did this
[18:29] <Guy1524> OerHeks: Ill try that
[18:30] <Kirito> I also have Distance field text enabled in my Chrome configuration, which may or may not help you
[18:30] <Kirito> (it may also make things worse, so you'll want to compare)
[18:30] <rohan> Kirito: what's distance field text?
[18:30] <Guy1524> OerHeks: that didn't work
[18:31] <Kirito> it's mostly just related to zooming, but you can enable it by going to the chrome://flags page in Chrome
[18:31] <Kirito> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGZRHJvJYIg is what it is, more or less
[18:32] <Bluewolf> OerHeks: Sadly I was rather silly, should have asked on the chats before going ahead with what I did, was trying to install https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/1649523?hl=en-GB
[18:32] <Bluewolf> But three were some Dependencies, eg: python-psutill - which in tern needed python i386 and well that's where I ended up here.......
[18:32] <Bluewolf> What do I do?
[18:33] <rohan> Kirito: thanks
[18:33] <rohan> i'll give it a shot as well
[18:33] <Kirito> \o
[18:34] <Kirito> alt+q when alt+tab'ing windows is incredibly useful, I just discovered that today :D
[18:34] <OerHeks> Bluewolf, backup data and reinstall, fixing by hand can take hours
[18:35] <alkisg> Kirito: isn't that the same as pressing (alt+)esc?
[18:36] <Kirito> alkisg, it closes the selected application while alt+tabbing through them
[18:36] <Kirito> Makes it a lot easier to clean out old windows
[18:36] <SchrodingersScat> I had a package I was using that had a bunch of dependencies.  I want to remove the package but keep the dependencies (for a more manual install) and was wondering what the easiest way to do that was (so it doesn't autoremove)
[18:36] <alkisg> Kirito: hmm, ok it doesn't do that on mate, probably due to different WMs
[18:36] <rohan> Kirito: ever given infinality a shot? is it any better / worse?
[18:36] <Kirito> Oh, no, I think it's just a Unity thing
[18:37] <Bluewolf> OerHeks: Well I suppose that's simple then. Any idea if my system will continue to hold up in the state its in, like is it going to crash or something if I reboot?
[18:37] <alkisg> Bluewolf: you can just run apt-get install "all the programs you removed"
[18:37] <OerHeks> Bluewolf, i would backup files now, not sure boot will go fine ..
[18:38] <OerHeks> alkisg, not without removing that plugin and stuff too .. which will certainly break his system
[18:38] <Kirito> rohan, I have, several times, I wouldn't bother with it. I'm pretty sure it's worse on Ubuntu. Ubuntu really does have good font rendering out of the box, comparatively anyways. Canonical has their own patched version of fontconfig, which is better than Infinality as far as I can tell
[18:38] <Kirito> Infinality has also always been a huge pain for me
[18:38] <alkisg> OerHeks: which plugin? python:i386? it will pull the normal amd64 back
[18:38] <Guy1524> I found the problem, the unity plugin was disabled in ccsm
[18:38] <Kirito> Documentation is lacking and I could not get any customizations to work with it when I last played with it
[18:39] <Kirito> (speaking from when I was using Arch instead of Ubuntu)
[18:39] <Bluewolf> alkisg: And reinstalling the packages I removed would simply correct the issue?
[18:39] <Bluewolf> OerHeks: How long will my system continue running as it is now?
[18:39] <rohan> Kirito: ah ok. so it really is chrome that's the worst of the lot (everything else in ubuntu looks just fine)
[18:40] <alkisg> Bluewolf: it might, see if the proposed solution by apt is correct (i.e. that it removes python:i386 etc)
[18:40] <Kirito> More or less, I think. Java apps tend to have poor font rendering as well, unfortunately.
[18:40] <alkisg> If not, you can just be more specific
[18:40] <Kirito> (e.g. IDE's such as JetBrains)
[18:40] <Kirito> There are ways to improve font rendering there as well though
[18:40] <alkisg> Bluewolf: just to be sure, if you run this: dpkg --print-architecture, this says "amd64", correct?
[18:41] <rohan> Kirito: is it by installing the openjdk-fontfix?
[18:41] <Bluewolf> alkisg: indeed that is correct
[18:41] <ne8cfl> linux and printing... embarrassing
[18:41] <Backwards> A nice little command is:   sudo uname -a
[18:42] <alkisg> OK, then run a big `apt-get install all the packages that you removed` command, and tell us the output before you press OK
[18:42] <ne8cfl> useless
[18:43] <rohan> on a separate note: I have an intel 8260 wifi chip in my laptop, and wifi is *terribly* slow.. i am getting 50-60kbps when I should be getting speeds in the range of mbps (office environment, strong net). any known solutions?
[18:43] <Kirito> I can't remember if that package is linked to Infinality or not. I know there's a patched version of openjdk that applies some improvements there but I don't remember how effective it actually was, it may be worth trying, yeah
[18:43] <Kirito> But in regards to JetBrains IDE's as an example, there are some startup flags you can tweak
[18:43] <Kirito> and it's more or less the same with other java apps
[18:43] <Kirito> One moment I'll find an example
[18:44] <rohan> Kirito: ty
[18:45] <ne8cfl> I need to print 1 page and one line is bigger than the other.
[18:45] <ne8cfl> wtf
[18:46] <Kirito> rohan, https://gist.github.com/ank91/1cad0cbf43ca482e2334
[18:46] <Kirito> ah
[18:46] <Kirito> But I would probably set it to -Dawt.useSystemAAFontSettings=lcd instead of on
[18:47] <Cheery> my computer suddenly went to not connecting anywhere
[18:47] <Cheery> but the existing connections still work
[18:47] <Cheery> anyone able to explain why?
[18:47] <Kirito> have you tried turning it off and then back on again?
[18:47] <Bluewolf> alkisg: You sure this will not cripple anything?
[18:48] <Bluewolf> OerHeks: Your still recommending I do a full reinstall, I'm on Ubuntu 14.04, so would it be okay if I downloaded 16.04 (Is it stable enough so soon after release?)
[18:48] <alkisg> Bluewolf: up to the point where you *don't* press "y", yup, I'm sure it won't install anything without you accepting it
[18:48] <Cheery> Kirito: at the moment I can't do that
[18:49] <alkisg> Bluewolf: and, I've done it many many times to fix broken installations if it helps you feel better... it's just packages
[18:50] <Bluewolf> alkisg: Okay I guess there's no harm in trying, I've done the damage already after all. I'll just back up a few things, just so I don't completely burst into tears if and when it goes up in flames..
[18:51] <arooni> anyone know something about traffic shaping/throttling with wondershaper?
[18:51] <Wald-junge> ?join #bitcoin
[18:53] <SchrodingersScat> arooni: I've used 'trickle' successfully
[18:53] <ritztech> anyone know where syslogs dump to  which file  i see it here
[18:53] <ritztech> rsyslog.conf for local7.*  /var/log/boot.log
[18:53] <ritztech> butt boot.log has nothing
[18:53] <Backwards> Arooni "throttling" is a no no in the world of networking. ISP's do it and it is an absolute crime.
[18:53] <alkisg> Bluewolf: http://paste.debian.net/783694/
[18:54] <arooni> well i should say , i want to limit my upload bandwidth when i backup to amazon glacier
[18:54] <arooni> because if i dont, its gonna cause buffer bloat in my terrible at&t dsl modem
[18:54] <Kirito> Does your router offer QoS controls?
[18:55] <Kirito> (or what is your router model?)
[18:55] <arooni> Kirito: it does not unfotunately;  i wish it did
[18:56] <Kirito> No support for simply limiting ingress/egress bandwidth either I guess?
[18:56] <Dako> I need it: Vagrant(KVM(First OS)) <-LAN-> Vagrant(KVM(Second OS))
[18:56] <Dako> Can I make it?
[18:57] <Backwards> https://www.bufferbloat.net/projects/cerowrt/wiki/Wondershaper_Must_Die/
[18:58] <ad-jn> Aayush
[18:59] <ad-jn> ls -l
[18:59] <ad-jn> clear
[18:59] <ad-jn> fuck you
[18:59] <Kirito> I invested in one of those OnHub routers this week, after much debate >_>
[18:59] <ad-jn> no kidding
[18:59] <Kirito> ad-jn, calm down, breathe
[18:59] <Dako> HEY?
[18:59] <ad-jn> even i did the same thing :D
[18:59] <Dako> I need it: Vagrant(KVM(First OS)) <-LAN-> Vagrant(KVM(Second OS))
[18:59] <ad-jn> YO
[18:59] <ad-jn> here take it
[18:59] <ad-jn> dako
[19:00] <Dako> What?
[19:00] <ad-jn> what you want
[19:00] <Dako> I need it: Vagrant(KVM(First OS)) <-LAN-> Vagrant(KVM(Second OS))
[19:00] <Dako> Can I make it?
[19:00] <ad-jn> you needed somthing dont you?
[19:00] <ad-jn> qiut
[19:00] <Kirito> try asking again, I hear the 4th times the charm.
[19:00] <ad-jn> quit
[19:01] <ad-jn> lolz
[19:01] <ad-jn> :P
[19:01] <ad-jn> :D
[19:01] <ad-jn> :O
[19:02] <Dako> sudo rm -R * /tmp
[19:03] <Dako> I mean sudo rm -R * /tmp/*
[19:03] <Dako> I mean sudo rm -R * /tmp/* /var/tmp/*
[19:04] <Pici> Dako: I don't know what you're asking/suggesting, but thats not a command that you really should ever run.
[19:04] <Dako> or just?? sudo rm -R * /tmp
[19:04] <Bluewolf> alkisg: Sorry just backing up some stuff, can I run that command and copy over large files?
[19:04] <Dako> I need it: Vagrant(KVM(First OS)) <-LAN-> Vagrant(KVM(Second OS))
[19:04] <Dako> Can I make it?
[19:04] <Pici> Dako: Try it?
[19:05] <Dako> Can I?
[19:05] <Pici> Dako: It sounds possible.
[19:05] <Dako> Vagrans is sandbox like Docker?
[19:05] <Pici> Dako: no, vagrant is a vm.
[19:06] <Dako> like virtualbox?
[19:06] <Pici> Dako: it uses virtualbox by default.
[19:07] <Kirito> Dako, I would recommend RTFM
[19:07] <Kirito> before you start trying to use it
[19:07] <Pici> Kirito: please use nicer language when suggesting that users read documentation.
[19:07] <ron__> helo I have a probleme with virtualbox
[19:08] <Guy1524> how do I get an application to open from the tty
[19:08] <Kirito> Dako, I would recommend reading that fine manual
[19:08] <Dako> ron__, just install vagrant
[19:08] <Dako> ron__, vagrant use vbox
[19:08] <Kirito> (I like how he is suggesting other people install vagrant when he doesn't even know what it does)
[19:09] <satysin> evening all, just heard that 16.04.1 iso will come out tomorrow, any truth behind that?
[19:09] <ron__> I can't start dkms :/    The dkms build in 4.4.0-31 but I m on 4.4.0-22
[19:09] <ron__> http://pastebin.com/AHWcMzer
[19:09] <Dako> ron__, sudo reboot
[19:09] <ron__> Dako, I reboot 3times :x
[19:10] <Kirito> ron__, what is the output of uname -a ?
[19:10] <Dako> Hey?
[19:10] <ron__> Kirito, last line  http://pastebin.com/AHWcMzer
[19:10] <Dako> need reboot after installation
[19:10] <Pici> Dako: when helping, be helpful.  Don't randomly suggest things to users here.
[19:11] <Dako> ron__, install dkms then
[19:11] <Kirito> Your pastebin suggests you have the headers for 4.4.0-31 installed
[19:11] <Kirito> Your kernel image version and headers may not match.
[19:12] <Dako> ron__, install from website vbox
[19:12] <Dako> ron__, add repo and install lastest version
[19:12] <tatertots> maybe ron can elaborate on what his actual problem is ?
[19:12] <Kirito> dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[19:13] <ron__> ok Dako I check
[19:13] <Kirito> ron__, please ignore him, can you paste the output of dpkg -l linux-image?
[19:13] <raj_iv> what if closed terminal by mistake while building kernel
[19:14] <Dako> ron__, https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads
[19:14] <Kirito> er
[19:14] <nacc> raj_iv: open a terminal and continue building it?
[19:14] <Kirito> dpkg -l | grep linux-image
[19:14] <Dako> ron__, just get package and install it
[19:14] <Guy1524> guys, I deleted /usr/share/unity
[19:14] <Guy1524> and reinstalling unity doesn't get it back
[19:14] <Guy1524> aren't packages supposed to remove everything that they are
[19:15] <Kirito> No, not unless you purge the packages
[19:15] <Guy1524> and then add them when they are installed
[19:15] <Guy1524> I purged the package
[19:15] <Guy1524> and I found out that /usr/share/unity still existed
[19:15] <Guy1524> which angered me
[19:15] <ron__> Kirito, It's probably that I test
[19:15] <Guy1524> so I deleted it
[19:15] <raj_iv> nacc: ok
[19:15] <Guy1524> and installing it doesn't give me it back
[19:16] <Ben64> Guy1524: deleting stuff randomly is a good recipe for disaster
[19:16] <tatertots> if you get /usr/share/unity back...wouldn't you just be angry again?
[19:16] <Kirito> http://hastebin.com/raw/ufojugacuw
[19:16] <Guy1524> Ben64: but /usr/share/unity relates to unity
[19:17] <Guy1524> and it wasn't deleted when I did sudo apt purge unity
[19:17] <Pici> Guy1524: a bunch of different packages install things into /usr/share/unity, the 'unity' package not being one of them.
[19:17] <Guy1524> ill transfer it back from another computer
[19:17] <Ben64> Guy1524: so that's a good reason to delete things in system folders?
[19:17] <Kirito> Guy1524, Reinstall libunity-core and see if that resolves your issue.
[19:17] <Guy1524> k
[19:18] <Dako> Ben64,  Do you work for the money here?
[19:18] <Ben64> there's no money here
[19:18] <nacc> Dako: this is a volunteer channel
[19:18] <Kirito> there's not? what the hell am I doing here then?
[19:18] <Guy1524> Kirito: that fixed it thanks
[19:19] <tatertots> are you angry that you have /usr/share/unity again?
[19:19] <Kirito> Guy1524, as a future reference the command listed there is very helpful in situations like this, "dpkg-query -S" can show you which package(s) own/contain specific files
[19:20] <Kirito> But also as a more important future reference, please don't delete system files randomly because you are angry. That is not likely to end well for you
[19:21] <paranoidabhi> Hi guys! I am planning to shift from hdd to sdd. How can I create a list of packages in .txt file. And later reinstall them on new sdd.
[19:22] <saigel> @paranoid: Why not just backup your hdd and restore to your sdd?
[19:22] <paranoidabhi> saigel, how?
[19:22] <Kirito> paranoidabhi, https://askubuntu.com/a/17829
[19:22] <Kirito> or that
[19:22] <Dako> cat * / > list.txt
[19:22] <Kirito> ...
[19:22] <saigel> Maybe use clonezilla to make an image of your existing system, then install your sdd, then restore the image onto your sdd...
[19:23] <Kirito> I can't tell if this individual is trolling or..
[19:23] <Dako> here error
[19:23] <Ben64> definitely trolling
[19:23] <Dako> fix
[19:23] <Dako> i not pro
[19:23] <Kirito> I've learned not to overestimate peoples intelligence
[19:23] <Guy1524> guys, what exactly happens when you restart lightdm when you are logged in.  How is it different from launching lightdm and unity on boot?
[19:23] <Kirito> But I am pretty sure you are right here. </ignore>
[19:24] <Dako> cat blabla > list.txt
[19:25] <Kirito> dd is one way to clone a drive, though that may not be ideal here
[19:25] <Ben64> i used dd to go from hdd to ssd
[19:25] <Guy1524> should I use ubuntuforums or askubuntu
[19:25] <Dako> Just use TAR
[19:25] <saigel> @krito, I think clonezilla uses dd, does it not?
[19:25] <Dako> TAR file
[19:25] <Kirito> Quite possibly
[19:25] <ron__> Kirito,  I didn't have uninstall correctly  http://pastebin.com/e9AAukkV
[19:25] <paranoidabhi> saigel, Thanks for the reply! Someone told me to reinstall as restoring would cause problems with disk identifiers etc. Is there tutorial you know of?
[19:26] <Kirito> "Uses Partclone (default), Partimage (optional), ntfsclone (optional), or dd to image or clone a partition"
[19:26] <Ben64> paranoidabhi: it wouldn't be a problem once you disconnect the hard drive
[19:26] <Kirito> Clonezilla looks like a solid option
[19:26] <Dako> ron__, new vbox work?
[19:27] <paranoidabhi> Kirito, thanks. I am assuming since the machine is same. No issues regarding drivers would crop up. Any ideas on other things I can restore?
[19:27] <Kirito> I just have a fancy HDD docking bay that has a built in cloning feature :D
[19:27] <Kirito> ..which I've never actually used
[19:27] <saigel> @paranoid: I think as long as your new drive has enough space to contain everything, it should work. I have used it to image a system from one hard drive and then re-image it onto a new drive, and everything worked perfectly. I've done it several times.
[19:27] <ron__> Dako,  I boot on 4.4.0-22-generic
[19:27] <Dako> u will have problems with the mounted disks
[19:27] <Kirito> paranoidabhi, Should be, I assume clonedrive will take care of copying the bootloaders over as well
[19:27] <Dako> just install new Ubuntu
[19:27] <Kirito> er
[19:27] <Kirito> clonezilla
[19:27] <Ben64> Dako: stop
[19:28] <ron__> Dako, I m purge
[19:28] <Dako> ron__, ok
[19:29] <Kirito> I personally always prefer to just start with a new/fresh installation when it comes to that. It makes me feel liberated :D
[19:29] <paranoidabhi> Ben64, I am not sure I understand. Disconnect after creating the backup?
[19:29] <saigel> @paranoid, as far as tutorials is concerned, the clonezilla web page would be a good source.
[19:29] <Kirito> (rather I'm too lazy to clean anything up on my system after so long so I just nuke everything and start fresh)
[19:29] <Ben64> paranoidabhi: if you boot and two partitions have the same UUID, it could cause problems
[19:31] <Kirito> it would be a different drive here though, so it should be fine, right?
[19:31] <Kirito> Oh, maybe not
[19:32] <ron__> re, I am always  4.4.0-22-generic   -->  pastebin.com/n2Z63cyT
[19:32] <Dako> paranoidabhi, sudo tar -cvpzf backup.tar.gz '/media/ubuntu/patch_to_disk'
[19:33] <Dako> ron__, its Ubuntu 16.04?
[19:33] <Kirito> ron__, Please post the output of dpkg -l | linux-image
[19:33] <Kirito> that doesn't show us anything
[19:34] <Kirito> oh nevermind, I missed your message above
[19:34] <Infect> hi
[19:34] <Dako> ron__, ?
[19:34] <ron__> Dako, yes 16.04
[19:35] <Kirito> ron__, can you post the exact error you get when trying to build dkms?
[19:35] <Dako> ron__, all work for me You crashed OS
[19:35] <Kirito> ron__, please ignore him, he's trolling, or at the very least giving irrelevant/bad advice.
[19:36] <Infect> What laptops do you guys use? I want to get a nice linux machine. Thinking of picking up an old thinkpad
[19:36] <Dako> Kirito, seriously?
[19:36] <Kirito> Infect, http://www.aorus.com/Product/Features/X5
[19:36] <Dako> Kirito, I installed Ubuntu 16.04 KVM and VBox and all work
[19:36] <ron__> Kirito, I don't have error dkms build on 4.4.0-31-generic   -->http://pastebin.com/5rqxAQhk
[19:36] <Dako> Kirito, He just cradhes Ubuntu
[19:37] <Dako> crashed
[19:37] <Infect> wow that is pricey
[19:37] <Infect> Guess I'll just hound longer on ebay
[19:37] <BrainBug[BE]> Hey, Can anybody tell me I've just shrunk my lv (lv_home) from 250 to 200GB. All works fine. After some file checking I did lvreduce --resizefs -L 200G /dev/vg/lv_home This worked, maybe because the drive was as good as empty, but what happens if the drive is full? Will it give an error or anything like that?
[19:38] <ron__> Kirito,  uname ---> 4.4.0-22-generic #40-Ubuntu SMP Thu May 12 22:03:46
[19:38] <Dako> Infect, SmartPhone + Android
[19:38] <ron__> It is very strange
[19:38] <Infect> Dako, what do you mean?
[19:38] <Bluewolf> alkisg: Here we go - http://paste.debian.net/783715/
[19:38] <Dako> Infect, just buy it
[19:38] <Kirito> Yes, expensive but it's a very nice laptop :D
[19:38] <Infect> I have an android device already dako
[19:39] <Infect> kirito, yeah looks very sleek.
[19:39] <Kirito> I don't have any sensible recommendations though unfortunately
[19:39] <Dako> Infect,  minimalistic Linux distribution
[19:39] <Infect> android is?
[19:39] <Kirito> I can say that 3k/4k on 15" screens is godly though
[19:40] <Dako> ron__, you crashed Ubuntu Reinstall it
[19:40] <Kirito> I believe more laptops are starting to come out with UHD screens now
[19:40] <Kirito> which are more reasonably prices
[19:40] <arooni> SchrodingersScat: ;; so is trickle better than wondershaper?
[19:40] <Kirito> priced
[19:41] <ron__> I believe that I have understood,
[19:41] <ron__> I come again
[19:42] <SchrodingersScat> arooni: never tried the latter
[19:42] <Kirito> Infect, https://amazon.com/Dell-i7559-5012GRY-Touchscreen-Generation-Microsoft/dp/B015PYZI8E/ looks possibly decent
[19:42] <Dako> need read bash history
[19:42] <ne8cfl> well I'll get my typewriter from 1950. that will do the job better
[19:42] <arooni> SchrodingersScat: you used trickle for what purpose?  does it allow you to limit specific apps/processes ?
[19:42] <Dako> and fix or reinstall
[19:42] <Kirito> (that's probably the lowest price you'll get on a UHD 15" laptop though)
[19:43] <Infect> Uhh
[19:43] <ne8cfl> what a joke
[19:44] <SchrodingersScat> arooni: I use it to throttle my backups to somewhere between 1/2 and 1/3 my actual upload speed so I'm not angering the other people on the line for days.
[19:44] <Infect> I was thinking of an old laptop, I'm just gonna browse and (try to) program.
[19:44] <Kirito> Oh, sorry :D
[19:44] <Infect> no prob
[19:44] <Dako> Kirito, ok
[19:44] <arooni> SchrodingersScat: exactly what i want to do;  so can you only set up overall upload speed limitations or specific ports/processes/destinations
[19:44] <Infect> I mean, most people game anyways
[19:45] <Infect> or do hardware intensive stuff
[19:45] <Kirito> I don't even play games much anymore, hahah
[19:45] <Infect> lol
[19:45] <Kirito> and I can't even use my second GPU on Linux!
[19:45] <Kirito> because Nvidia doesn't support mobile SLI >_>
[19:45] <Dako> Use PlayOnLinux
[19:45] <ne8cfl> I can't even print 1 page it just spits out nonsense crap!
[19:46]  * Infect steals kirito's graphics card
[19:46] <zombie_bait> I have a ethical question: im on a lan house machine and found some 3rd party files left in here: may I read them?
[19:46] <ne8cfl> I installed the correct driver
[19:46] <ne8cfl> apparently
[19:46] <Dako> ne8cfl, need configure
[19:47] <ne8cfl> linux is not even good for office use.
[19:47] <Dako> ne8cfl, use Mint
[19:47] <nacc> !ot | zombie_bait
[19:47] <ne8cfl> Dako: haha like that would help
[19:47] <nacc> Dako: please stop.
[19:47] <Whiskey`> hwllos
[19:48] <Dako> ne8cfl, what your problem?
[19:48] <nacc> ne8cfl: sorry, reading scrollback; what's the issue?
[19:48] <ne8cfl> I configured everything. the test page comes out fine
[19:48] <ne8cfl> But only the test page
[19:48] <Dako> ne8cfl, you about what?
[19:48] <Whiskey`> Is there a support way to install openjdk7 ? only 8 is available but i need 7
[19:48] <\9> Whiskey`: you'll need a ppa for that
[19:49] <Whiskey`> ahh. happen to know what it is?
[19:49] <ne8cfl> nacc: We have an HP ENVY 4520 here. I installed the correct driver. Test Page comes out fine. I write my Text I want to print using LibreOffice. and only crap comes out
[19:49] <MonkeyDust> Whiskey`  a ppa is an 'external' software source
[19:49] <Whiskey`> i know that
[19:50] <\9> Whiskey`: http://askubuntu.com/questions/761127/ubuntu-16-04-and-openjdk-7
[19:50] <\9> first hit on google..
[19:50] <ne8cfl> Do I need to use my Typewriter from 1950?
[19:50] <Whiskey`> \9: thanks
[19:50] <Bray90820_> What's a good way to communicate with a headless ubuntu server?
[19:50] <nacc> ne8cfl: is that true of other applications than libreoffice?
[19:50] <Dako> ne8cfl, screenshot?
[19:50] <nacc> Bray90820_: ssh
[19:50] <SchrodingersScat> arooni: the manual says that trickled can act as a global limiter and have things throttled by running them with trickle, but I actually couldn't get that to work, so I just run trickle followed by the command, then you set the upload limit, trickle -u $uploadspeed
[19:50] <BarnabasDK_> Bray90820_, what are you trying to do?
[19:50] <ne8cfl> nacc: Yes I tried printing with gedit too. I only get a blanc page
[19:51] <neil_> when doing a "ltsp-build-client --arch i386" I get the error message "error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally" ... this seems to be caused by "Setting up grub-pc (2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.1)" which complains about "/dev" not being mounted... as far I can see an ltsp client would never need grub ... why is it being installed?
[19:51] <nacc> ne8cfl: which driver did you end up trying to use?
[19:51] <ne8cfl> installed driver 3.15.11.
[19:52] <ne8cfl> I also updated the driver but still doesn't work
[19:52] <Bray90820_> BarnabasDK:  Just basic management like install software update the system etc...
[19:52] <Bray90820_> right now it's running ubuntu desktop 16.04 so it's not technically a server
[19:52] <BarnabasDK> ssh then
[19:52] <nacc> ne8cfl: how did you install it? I think in 16.04 (at least) hplip is up to 3.16.3
[19:52] <Bray90820_> Thanks
[19:52] <ne8cfl> nacc: Yes I updated to this one too
[19:52] <SchrodingersScat> arooni: my duplicity example is "trickle -s -u ${nspeed} -t .1 duplicity"  I get ${nspeed} from another script using speedtest-cli
[19:53] <ikonia> Bray90820_: running ubuntu desktop does not "not" make it a server
[19:53] <nacc> ne8cfl: you did both?
[19:53] <Dako> ne8cfl, write to support of your hardware
[19:53] <Whiskey`> \9: and it doesnt work, E: Package 'openjdk-7-jdk' has no installation candidate
[19:53] <nacc> Dako: please stop
[19:53] <ne8cfl> nacc: yes I did both drivers
[19:53] <Bray90820_> ikonia: I meant I was using it as a server
[19:53] <Dako> nacc, I will help
[19:53] <ikonia> Bray90820_: thats fine
[19:53] <ne8cfl> results were the same
[19:53] <ikonia> Bray90820_: ubuntu desktop is a great server platform
[19:53] <Dako> ikonia, yes
[19:54] <Bray90820_> Does everything i need
[19:54] <BarnabasDK> if it is a desktop distro I think you need to install sshd
[19:54] <Dako> ikonia, but centOS bester
[19:54] <BarnabasDK> before you can use it to remotely manage it
[19:54] <ikonia> Dako: it's just personal tase
[19:54] <ikonia> taste
[19:54] <Bluewolf> If a system is broken and it is upgraded, will it still be a problem? - Eg if 14.04 ubuntu is a problem and it is upgraded to 16.04, will the issue transfer over or is it best to do a complete reinstall?
[19:54] <nacc> Bluewolf: depends on what you mean by "broken"
[19:55] <ne8cfl> the funny thing is I printed one page before and It came out fine. I didn't change anything and the 2nd page 1 line bigger than the other, a second try only gave me blank pages, or black lines
[19:55] <nacc> ne8cfl: how did you install 3.15.11 ?
[19:55] <ne8cfl> nacc: Over the printer Option in Ubuntu
[19:55] <Dako> Bluewolf, do reinstall
[19:56] <ne8cfl> it's weird Test pages always come out fine
[19:56] <ne8cfl> right color everything
[19:56] <nacc> ne8cfl: hrm, thinking about it
[19:57] <ne8cfl> but if I actually want to print something... it's a different story
[19:57] <Dako> ne8cfl, use USB keyboard
[19:57] <Dako> for test
[19:57] <ne8cfl> what has a usb keyboard to do with it?
[19:57] <ne8cfl> using a laptop
[19:57] <Bluewolf> nacc: This will explain my blunder :D http://pastebin.com/etqEwEZQ - http://paste.debian.net/783715/
[19:58] <DArqueBishop> Bluewolf: call me old-fashioned or anal, but I always take the attitude that a backup/wipe/install is better than an in-place upgrade whenever possible.
[19:58] <ne8cfl> f it. going back to windows. my typewriter works better. sorry guys. it's true
[19:58] <Bluewolf> nacc: I fear it cant be fixed
[19:59] <nacc> Dako: please don't try to help if you are not able to.
[19:59] <Dako> nacc,  I can!
[19:59] <Bluewolf> DArqueBishop: Yeah I kind of know, I just keep asking the same question every time just to be sure. I feel a reinstall is better overall, clean...
[20:00] <Dako> nacc, his computer is pice of s...
[20:00] <nacc> Dako: that's not being helpful.
[20:00] <Dako> Ony Windows
[20:00] <Dako> l
[20:01] <Dako> I try to be useful to people
[20:01] <ikonia> you're failing - please stop
[20:01] <Bluewolf> nacc: Do you see my issue?
[20:01] <nacc> Bluewolf: well, if you want to go into it, how did you get into a state where python2.7 is being removed?
[20:01] <ne8cfl> not very friendly though
[20:01] <nacc> Bluewolf: and you probably should not have done that :/
[20:01] <Dako> ne8cfl, use Fedora then
[20:02] <nacc> ne8cfl: so you only get the bad characters from libre? can you try to print a pdf from evince or something?
[20:02] <nacc> ikonia: thanks
[20:02] <\9> Whiskey`: looking at the ppa, looks like the package name is openjdk-7
[20:02] <\9> maybe the askubuntu.com answer is outdated
[20:02] <Dako> hey!?
[20:03] <Bluewolf> nacc: I realize that now, I was trying to install - https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/1649523?hl=en-GB
[20:03] <Bluewolf> Then the the dependencies lead me astray and my lack of knowledge and half asleep state. Alas here I am..... Lesson learnt. An annoying one.
[20:03] <Guy1524> hey guys, so as you know I am having a massive problem w/ unity.  Would it be a good idea to switch to unity 8/mir?  I am using integrated graphics
[20:03] <Dako> If Ubuntu no work then need test Fedora
[20:03] <nacc> Bluewolf: ah ... hrm, it is *probably* easier to reinstall, tbh
[20:03] <Guy1524> and unity 8 is pretty much the same thing as unity 7 just using mir right
[20:04] <nacc> Guy1524: i believe unity8 is not really supported yet
[20:04] <ne8cfl> Dako: If I need to use the same driver it won't make a difference wich OS i'm using. with windows I get a 1-1 driver that will work. and I don't need a Computer Science degree do get my stuff done.
[20:04] <lord-ragnarock> I'm actually using Arch here, but the folks on the IRC are a bit preoccupied :/ My networkManager keeps making new profiles/connections whenever I try to connect to my new router, and these profiles always get stuck at "acquiring network address." Here's the pastebin of one attempt: https://bpaste.net/show/98b2d5df8321
[20:04] <Guy1524> how bad are the bugs?
[20:04] <Bluewolf> nacc: Yeah, I'll get around to it. Finishing with back ups.
[20:04] <nacc> Guy1524: it's a preview, aiui
[20:06] <ne8cfl> ubuntu - linux for humans with a computer science degree
[20:06] <ikonia> not at all
[20:06] <ikonia> linux is linux, you can't change the reality of that
[20:06] <ikonia> somethings just are not mature yet, or have good solution
[20:07] <Bluewolf> nacc: Seeing as I am not an experienced user, what did I actually do. I feel embarrassed to ask.
[20:07] <nacc> ne8cfl: we are trying to help (if you believe me or not). it's not an obvious issue
[20:07] <ron__> Kirito, I'm stuck in 4.4.0-22-generic. I think it's the boot and update-grub say "/usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 5: /etc/default/grub: /etc/default/grub: Permission denied"
[20:07] <Bluewolf> nacc: Got to learn somewhere right?
[20:07] <nacc> Bluewolf: i think you sort of forcibly installed a 32-bit python
[20:07] <nacc> Bluewolf: which maybe did something funky to the system python
[20:08] <ne8cfl> like I said my typewriter does better
[20:08] <DArqueBishop> ne8cfl: pardon if this has been answered already, but what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[20:08] <ne8cfl> 14.04
[20:09] <Bluewolf> nacc: Python's use and purpose is?
[20:10] <k1l_> ne8cfl: i think you ranted in here enough then. you are frustrated, but that is no excuse to show that attitude to volunteers who even want to help you solve your issue. if you are just interested in ranting then please leave.
[20:11] <BarnabasDK> well whats the purpose of perl php and regular shell?
[20:11] <nacc> Bluewolf: so python is just a language & interpreter for that launguage
[20:11] <MonkeyDust> ne8cfl  to help you calm down: http://malaysiandigest.com/technology/482848-linux-is-everywhere-we-show-you-exactly-where.html
[20:11] <nacc> *language
[20:12] <nacc> Bluewolf: but python in particular (compared to php, at least) is used by many core applications in ubuntu
[20:12] <nacc> Bluewolf: removing it can lead to a pretty broken system easily
[20:12] <BarnabasDK> nacc, Python is a great language .. compared to many of the other alternatives
[20:12] <tatertots> I'm back, had to add some memory to this system
[20:12] <ne8cfl> k1l_: job's already done. I know thanks for all your help. I'm a linux user too you know, for the last 3.5 years. It's just dissapointing to see
[20:13] <nacc> BarnabasDK: neither here nor there (even if I agree :)
[20:13] <BarnabasDK> nacc, well suffer perl then ..
[20:13] <daxdax89> hello all
[20:13] <nacc> BarnabasDK: not sure you're point, but back to Bluewolf's question.
[20:13] <daxdax89> anyone here?
[20:13] <Bluewolf> nacc: I see, this is not the first system I wrecked. Formatted my drive one, still not sure how I did that. Anyway, thanks for the help.
[20:14] <tatertots> hi daxdax89
[20:14] <daxdax89> anyone good with networks?
[20:14] <nacc> Bluewolf: my advice, if you're doing anything as root (sudo or otherwise) and don't know exactly why you are doing hte command, and what all its side-effects are, don't do it.
[20:14] <BarnabasDK> nacc, no I am not, sorry about that
[20:14] <ikonia> daxdax89: if your question is to do with ubuntu, just ask, people will help if they can
[20:14] <tatertots> i'm no CCIE but i can hold my own ...what's up daxdax89?
[20:15] <daxdax89> well i am trying to use something like NetCut but netcut is for windows and it wont work in virtalbox , all i wanna do is kick couple of users from caffe
[20:15] <daxdax89> got so many of them connected and it makes me lag
[20:16] <ikonia>  from caffe ?
[20:16] <daxdax89> caffe AP yes
[20:16] <tatertots> caffe?
[20:16] <DArqueBishop> daxdax89: do you own the cafe? If not, stop asking and get out.
[20:16] <Bluewolf> nacc: I usually don't, seriously. I just thought I was installing a package anyway, its done.
[20:16] <Bluewolf> I read up on it now.
[20:16] <daxdax89> no but i rented a room in caffes owner rooms
[20:16] <nacc> Bluewolf: fair enough :)
[20:16] <daxdax89> and he gave me pass
[20:16] <daxdax89> so i am connected
[20:16] <ikonia> daxdax89: then talk to the cafe owner
[20:17] <ikonia> daxdax89: we are not going to help you abuse a network
[20:17] <DArqueBishop> daxdax89: unless you have the owner's explicit permission, what you are proposing his highly unethical.
[20:17] <daxdax89> ok how do i kick someone from my network then? :D
[20:17] <ikonia> daxdax89: no
[20:17] <tatertots> if you're the network admin of this caffe AP you probably wouldn't be asking I'm guessing
[20:17] <daxdax89> without log in into router
[20:17] <ikonia> daxdax89: talk to the owner - please don't ask again
[20:17] <tgm4883> daxdax89: you do it from the router
[20:17] <k1l_> daxdax89: you dont.
[20:17] <daxdax89> netcut does it without router acces ?
[20:18] <ne8cfl> MonkeyDust: maybe server based. but as an OS I think just north korea is using it
[20:19] <tatertots> from what a quick google could tell me this caffe is a public wifi thing...keyword being public
[20:19] <nacc> ne8cfl: please stop with the FUD.
[20:20] <Bluewolf> nacc: Cheers
[20:20] <DArqueBishop> tatertots: he meant a cafe or coffee shop.
[20:21] <nacc> Bluewolf: good luck, i didn't read too thoroughly on the link you sent, but if you need help with it after reinstall, feel free to ping in here
[20:23] <MonkeyDust> ne8cfl  yes, *something* has to be the mainstream, for the desktop, it's currently windows
[20:26] <ne8cfl> MonkeyDust: sorry I do like ubuntu, sometimes like you said, I just get frustrated when things don't work the way I want to. don't take it seriously pls. I usually don't need to print much. for the rest what i'm doing it's good
[20:27] <ne8cfl> If it wouldn't, I wouldn't have used it for so long
[20:28] <sruli> quick question... i want to restart network interface on remote machine, once its down i wont be able to bring it up, will this do the trick? "sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0"
[20:29] <compdoc> personal feelings, best way is: sudo reboot
[20:30] <k1l_> use the init to restart the network
[20:31] <Chucara> Can anyone spot what I am doing from here (/etc/fstab): nas:/volume1/Gitlab /mnt/nfs/gitlab nfs username=x,password=x 0 0
[20:31] <Chucara> mount.nfs: an incorrect mount option was specified
[20:32] <akik> Chucara: there are no mount options username and password for a nfs mount
[20:32] <akik> Chucara: man mount.nfs
[20:32] <tatertots> Yo Chucara  https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/3/html/System_Administration_Guide/s1-nfs-mount.html
[20:33] <Chucara> Oh.. Stackoverflow lied to me then: http://serverfault.com/questions/750497/fstab-entry-to-mount-nfs-with-password
[20:33] <akik> tatertots: that documentation is for redhat and can be a mismatch with ubuntu
[20:33] <sruli> k1l_: what is the service name? i tried network, network-manager.. unrecosgnised
[20:33] <sruli> ubuntu 14.04.2 server
[20:34] <tatertots> akik let me see you post 'official' ubuntu documentation then
[20:34] <Kirito> networking, if it's the same as Debian
[20:34] <tatertots> as outdated as some of it can be
[20:34] <tatertots> come on do it fast i'm timing you
[20:34] <tatertots> tick
[20:34] <tatertots> tock
[20:34] <k1l_> sruli: erm, network or networking on cli
[20:34] <akik> tatertots: cut the crap, please
[20:34] <akik> tatertots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[20:35] <k1l_> i cant test that on my servers right now :)
[20:35] <sruli> k1l_: netwrok, not recognised, networking gives me an error "stop: Job failed while stopping, start: Job is already running: networking"
[20:36] <tatertots> there you go Chucara now you have a general idea of the correct/proper syntax to use with plenty of resources to reference
[20:36] <turbo64> rickatickatick tock tick tock tock
[20:37] <turbo64> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njAwappuvPs
[20:37] <Chucara> tatertots: Thanks. Apparently my nas is not showing the share on the export list. I'm reading and working on it.
[20:37] <sruli> k1l_: question is, will "sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0" follow through after ssh has been disconnected?
[20:38] <k1l_> sruli: yes, that might work. i cant test that from here right now
[20:38] <sruli> k1l_: it did work, intersting thing is ssh did not disconnect, i saw it realease and renew ip.. how can that be?
[20:39] <turbo64> that was a really dumb reason to kick someone out of a channel
[20:39] <turbo64> you must be some kind of sad loser
[20:39] <tgm4883> sruli: it didn't change IP address
[20:39] <k1l_> sruli: ssh got some timeout limits.
[20:40] <sruli> tgm4883: no it didnt (thats kind of my problem, it should have, but that a different matter
[20:41] <sruli> but even if its same ip, if interface is down how can ssh remain active and display the output while dhcpDiscover?
[20:41] <brico> Maybe it uses the MAC (shrug)
[20:41] <tatertots> btw do you have any links to support that ect fstab in linux has got distribution specific syntax because i' would love to see it @akik
[20:41] <tgm4883> sruli: did you flush your lease?
[20:41] <sruli> tgm4883: "sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0"
[20:41] <tgm4883> tatertots: that's not what he said
[20:41] <Darkwell> Hey there
[20:42] <tgm4883> sruli: 'dhclient -r'
[20:42] <tatertots> i hope that's not what he said
[20:42] <tatertots> or was suggesting
[20:42] <sruli> tgm4883: i tried that erlier today, did nothing, no output either
[20:42] <tatertots> because etc/fstab and it's syntax is pretty standard
[20:42] <tatertots> across distributions
[20:42] <akik> tatertots: the link you pasted was about mounting nfs file system, not only about /etc/fstab
[20:43] <tgm4883> tatertots: While the syntax might be the same, the options may not be
[20:43] <tatertots> Mounting NFS File Systems using /etc/fstab
[20:43] <OerHeks> if you would have pasted debian pages, oke, but redhat, come one tatertots ...
[20:43] <tgm4883> in any case, this is all very OT
[20:43] <Kirito> "openssh-client-ssh1 - secure shell (SSH) client for legacy SSH1 protocol"
[20:43] <Kirito> o.x why?
[20:44] <Kirito> oh
[20:44] <Kirito> it's just the client
[20:45] <tatertots> and if anybody has any info about ect/fstab beginning to be distribution specific PLEASE by all means pm me the article
[20:46] <avis-> howdy
[20:46] <avis-> i use ubuntu
[20:46] <Chucara> akik: Thanks, the username was it. It is mounted now (permission denied, but reading up on it)
[20:46] <akik> tatertots: pasting documents from another distribution is just asking for trouble
[20:46] <avis-> it may be trouble, but its not work if transcribed, and functional
[20:46] <avis-> or is it ?
[20:47] <tgm4883> tatertots: please stop
[20:47] <avis-> its completely theoretical.  and practical. thats always a win.
[20:47] <Darkwell> I accidently managed to do an rsync of /etc from a boot sdcard for rasperry pi (raspbian) onto /etc on my ubuntu laptop (running 14.04 desktop). Now I wonder how I could most rasy/efficient recover my laptop from this...I havent turned it off yet
[20:47] <k1l_> avis-: what is your technica support issue?
[20:49] <Kirito> Darkwell, just /etc probably didn't cause too much damage, review the history and see which files were modified as a start
[20:49] <avis-> k1l_, aside from assisting others ?  i'd like the most awesome sound system.  i have VERY CHEAP speakers.  they had to be "desk" worthy.  i further wonder why i'm so limited in snap packages per my ubuntu one account.  i have one.  i think of it as -- credit.
[20:50] <tatertots> what's the link to ubuntu's / canonical 'official' customer facing technical documentation?
[20:51] <hggdh> tatertots: please stop
[20:51] <tatertots> stop what hggdh...is that not a valid ubuntu question to ask in a ubuntu forum?
[20:52] <hggdh> tatertots: all I can see you doing is noise. Please stop.
[20:52] <avis-> i lose wifi support until install but i have a router using dd-wrt i run as repeater bridge so i can install both ubuntu, and you never know.  other -- operating systems.  it works until your wifi works thats for sure :D
[20:52] <mirak_> hi
[20:52] <Chucara> Hmmm.. Changing a users UID and GID is a terrible idea, right?
[20:52] <mirak_> how can i transfer my deja-dup settings to another user ?
[20:52] <mirak_> or same account but cleaned
[20:53] <alexmh> tatertots, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+official+documentation does that work?
[20:53] <tatertots> asking for a link to technical ubuntu documentation is noise now hggdh?...oh okay...nevermind
[20:53] <tgm4883> !google | alexmh
[20:54] <tgm4883> tatertots: official documentation would be the wiki and the server guide
[20:54] <k1l_> !documentation | tatertots
[20:54] <k1l_> tatertots: and now stop the noise. thanks
 First need remove temps: sudo rm -R * /tmp/
[20:56] <mirak_> can you please ban this idiot ?
[20:56] <meteor> what is the difference betw putting an export statement in .bashrc vs .profile in ubuntu?
[20:57] <tatertots> thanks for the 'official' ubuntu documentation links k1l
[20:57] <mirak_> is there an admin here ?
[20:58] <OerHeks> mirak_, it was not posted here, was it? ignore the PM then.
[20:58] <alexmh> tgm4883, understood
[20:59] <mirak_> OerHeks, it was intented to people that are here
[21:00] <mirak_> OerHeks, people are targeted from this channel, so this Inga should be banned for sending such PMs
[21:00] <k1l_> mirak_: i already kicked him. he is a known troll. thanks for reporting. next time better report directly to #ubuntu-ops
[21:01] <mirak_> k1l_, ok thanks
[21:01] <Darkwell> Should I use a live usb to resque/reinstall ubuntu again? I mean /etc is pretty much jumbled up
[21:03] <OerHeks> Darkwell, the installer gives an option to reinstall.
[21:04] <Bashing-om> Darkwell: My take only . If a system file directory is meesed up .. even if I were to fix it ... I Would not have further confidence in the operating system .
[21:06] <Guy1524> how long does it usually take for someone to answer your question on askubuntu?
[21:06] <Guy1524> ive been waiting for about 2 hours
[21:07] <OerHeks> Guy1524, someting between minutes and months. good time to look again if there are simular posts.
[21:07] <IonutVan_> minutes, hours, months, never
[21:07] <Darkwell> What installer? In the liveCd ? I am downloadin 14.04 to dd it onto an usbstick , since the leptop has no cdrom
[21:07] <Guy1524> OerHeks: I have been looking for someone w/ the same problem for days
[21:08] <KeithWeisshar> if i buy a preloaded orange usb stick from the ububuntu shop, is it still writable so it can be updated to future versions
[21:08] <Bashing-om> Guy1524: Forum ettiquite .. 12 to 24 hours . As the world turns .
[21:09] <Guy1524> Bashing-om: ok thanks
[21:09] <OerHeks> KeithWeisshar, the iso is read only, but sure, you can write a newer version over it.
[21:09] <MonkeyDust> Guy1524  as soon as someone reads your question and it rings a bell, he will most probably answer
[21:10] <Guy1524> k
[21:11] <KeithWeisshar> i mean the stick itself
[21:11] <KeithWeisshar> the stick that they sell from the ubuntu online shop
[21:13] <OerHeks> the iso on that stick cannot be updated, you can write a newer version over it.
[21:13] <KeithWeisshar> ubuntu sells the bootable usb stick for 5.99 pounds
[21:13] <OerHeks> *complete newer iso
[21:13] <KeithWeisshar> do they use rufus or dd?
[21:15] <KeithWeisshar> is the orange usb stick preloaded using standard dd commands
[21:17] <KeithWeisshar> is freenode closing
[21:17] <KeithWeisshar> someone is spaming breaking news
[21:17] <tomaw> someone is spamming.
[21:17] <neil_> when doing a "ltsp-build-client --arch i386" I get the error message "error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally" ... this seems to be caused by "Setting up grub-pc (2.02~beta2-36ubuntu3.1)" which complains about "/dev" not being mounted... as far I can see an ltsp client would never need grub ... why is it being installed?
[21:18] <Guy1524> wait, is freenode actually closing?!?!
[21:18] <hggdh> Guy1524: come on, please do not pay attention to trolls
[21:18] <Guy1524> k good
[21:18] <akik> KeithWeisshar: what do you mean? using dd to write the ubuntu iso to a usb stick is a valid method
[21:20] <akik> KeithWeisshar: rufus i think is mainly used to write a windows iso to a usb stick
[21:22] <Bomber4Chats> anyone have experience with hiDPI laptops?
[21:22] <alexmh> Bomber4Chats, I have a 4k screen
[21:22] <neil_> Bomber4Chats, lucky
[21:23] <Bomber4Chats> I'm having a rear-load of issues with various linux apps :-/
[21:23] <Bomber4Chats> wxWidgets, wine
[21:23] <Bomber4Chats> well, wine I gave up on
[21:23] <Bomber4Chats> some other gtk stuff.
[21:23] <alexmh> Bomber4Chats, haha make sure to either down-res to 1080p, or ensure that the scaling is set higher, or have you already done that?
[21:23] <Bomber4Chats> I'm getting a little pissed about it :-/
[21:24] <Bomber4Chats> I've scaled *2
[21:24] <Tr0v40> o
[21:25] <Bomber4Chats> first app I want to have scaled properly is audacity
[21:27] <gelson> soy nuevo
[21:27] <gelson> si me ayudan con informacion les agradesco+
[21:28] <Bashing-om> !es | gelson
[21:33] <KeithWeisshar> rufus also has dd mode too
[21:35] <swensson> Anyone know any good book for Linux users? Any book that's related to linux is OK
[21:35] <swensson> Ubuntu*
[21:36] <MonkeyDust> swensson  "ubuntu linux toolbox"
[21:38] <timyp> ubuntu linux toolbox?
[21:38] <timyp> is that like a rescue disk
[21:39] <swensson> MonkeyDust thanks :) Gonna get em both :)
[21:39] <Bashing-om> swensson: http://search.oreilly.com/?q=linux <-Books, anything linux .
[21:40] <swensson> Bashing-om that site wasn't for me, thanks anyway =)
[21:44] <MonkeyDust> timyp  it's a book
[21:44] <timyp> oh man wish i could read
[21:46] <MonkeyDust> timyp  a very long time ago, people actually read paper books ... http://www.stcuthbertsmill.com/surfaces/4/27/500_someset-book-image-used-for-surface.jpg
[21:47] <swensson> What's the differense between service apache2 restart and systemctl restart apache2?
[21:47] <Bomber4Chats> So who with 4k screens was able to scale up qt apps?
[21:56] <mcphail> swensson: the "service" syntax is becoming deprecated for the systemd way of doing things (i.e. systemctl)
[21:56] <avis-> i think ubuntu needs stricter regulations due to its territory and adversaries
[21:56] <SebthreeBQM10HD> hi
[21:57] <SebthreeBQM10HD> avis-,  why what for what, I just joined here
[21:57] <swensson> mcphail ahh thanks for the info ;D
[21:57]  * swensson Im off to bed now, gn ppl
[21:57] <avis-> i'm kewl.  its uk.  there's ton's of evil in the uk.  that means every nook in that winding roads thats been looked down and memorized is not uncomprehendable
[21:57]  * SebthreeBQM10HD thinks a car rental company is called Avis :d
[21:58] <jim> you're sticking your tongue out at your eyes?
[21:58] <k1l_> avis-: its enough now. you got a too long track record to make your games in here. stick to the guidelines or leave the channel
[21:59] <oezsoy> hello
[21:59] <jim> hi
[21:59] <oezsoy> anyone can help to me this python
[21:59] <oezsoy> anyone knows python
 i have a problem
 gui tkinker dont work on python
 from Tkinter import *
 root = Tk()
[22:00] <k1l_> oezsoy: better ask in #python ?
[22:00] <jim> oezsoy, theres #python
[22:01] <jim> (btw you got silenced because you flooded a little
[22:02] <jim> oezsoy, so about that... you can pastebin the output of an arbitrary command by running "anArbitraryCommand | nc termbin.com 9999"
[22:03] <jim> you can also apt-get install nopaste or pastebinit and use those in place of ns term...9999
[22:03] <surfn> hi, i'm having trouble ssh -X into my ubuntu box.
[22:03] <avis-> i'm apologize and assure you that by the strictest english standards i was only looking after a companies best interests.
[22:04] <surfn> "Could not initialize OpenGL"
[22:04] <jim> maybe you don't have opengl installed? or some part of it?
[22:05] <arooni> anyone here used duply/duplicity to backup your files?  i'm setting it up now and could use some help
[22:05] <surfn> dammit, that's a mac problem, not an ubuntu one.
[22:05] <surfn> thanks jim
[22:05] <surfn> I'll see what I can do
[22:10] <mambo> buona sera .. app center non mi da nessun server in seleziona server migliore e quelli che ci sono non lo fanno funzionare
[22:11] <k1l_> !it | mambo
[22:12] <mambo> tnx
[22:16] <rexwin_> i cannot ping nor connect ssh from my ubuntu machine to the centos machine.
[22:19] <rypervenche> rexwin_: Sounds like a firewall issue or networking issue.
[22:19] <rexwin_> firewall is off
[22:20] <rexwin_> ifconfig gives eno16777736 and not eth0
[22:24] <rypervenche> rexwin_: It is not supposed to give eth0 anymore.
[22:39] <sdgsyre> Hi
[22:40] <Mihasi> Hi guys
[22:42] <Mihasi> Does anyone have experience running hybrid graphics on Ubuntu? I'm trying to get nvidia-prime to work and I'm *almost* there, but there's one last issue I can't figure out. For some reason, I have to reboot after I switch GPUs. Otherwise, after logging out, it won't let me log in again and stays stuck at the login screen.
[22:44] <Mihasi> I've found some forum posts about it (for 14.04 and 15.10), but the only solution seems to be installing Bumblebee. I'd like to avoid that for now, as this is not my primary partition and I'm more interested in understanding why it doesn't work.
[22:45] <Stefanostera> Good evening everybody. Could you tell me if 16.04 lts programs third part has been solved?
[22:46] <nacc> Mihasi: i think bumblebee is deprecated or not needed anymore, based upon other people's help in this channel
[22:46] <nacc> Mihasi: i don't know anything more though :(
[22:46] <nacc> Stefanostera: what does "third part" mean?
[22:46] <teward> Stefanostera: erm, you'll have to be more specific?  (There's always bugs in every release, they aren't always fixed)
[22:46] <Mihasi> nacc, I've heard similar things, but then I've also heard that Bumblebee 4.0 is coming out soon, so I have no idea what to believe. :P
[22:46] <nacc> Mihasi: :)
[22:47] <Stefanostera> I mean that in 15.10 you can install .deb file..... 16.04 makes an error
[22:47] <Mihasi> Stefanostera, it should still be possible to install .deb files in 16.04, if I'm not mistaking. What errors are you getting?
[22:48] <xangua> Stefanostera: "an error"what error? What debian file(s)?
[22:48] <nacc> Stefanostera: any arbitrary .deb file? that's certain possibly in 16.04?
[22:48] <nacc> Stefanostera: let's say that you're not describing it clearly enougha nd this is not some common bug that we can tell you the answer yet :)
[22:49] <Stefanostera> .deb files starts installation with Ubuntu Software  Center page but than it generate an installation error
[22:49] <Mihasi> Give the man some time to answer guys. :P
[22:49] <xangua> Stefanostera: what error? What files? Why are you installing stuff outside of official repositories?
[22:50] <Stefanostera> Whenever I double click a deb file, it'd be opened in software center. However, when I click "install" button, it'd change to "installing" for a second but then turn back to "install" and nothing happens
[22:51] <Mihasi> Stefanostera, I've noticed this to. But in my case, usually the package is installed anyway, even though the button turns back to install.
[22:51] <xangua> Stefanostera: What Deb Files? Where Did You Get These?
[22:51] <Stefanostera> Team viewer, Skype
[22:51] <Stefanostera> I've tried sudo apt install gdebi but gdebi does not work
[22:52] <yao_ziyuan> here's my problem: i have ubuntu 15.10 (ask this new xps 8900 machine's video card doesn't go with 16.04), and i installed oracle's virtualbox 5.1 (not the one in ubuntu's official repo) and restarted the computer and ubuntu couldn't log in any more. then i installed xubuntu-desktop but then found the problem was to enable uefi insecure boot.
[22:53] <xangua> Skype is in the partner repository Stefanostera and about team viewer no idea
[22:53] <yao_ziyuan> so i enabled insecure boot and removed xubuntu-desktop (xubuntu*, xfce*) and reinstalled ubuntu-desktop (apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop). the problem now is the login screen is a simplistic one instead of ubuntu's original lightdm one.
[22:53] <xangua> ! Partner
[22:53] <yao_ziyuan> i want ubuntu's original login screen back.
[22:53] <Mihasi> Stefanostera, I just tried installing the Skype .deb, but it works fine on my machine now (the button changes to "remove"). Can you confirm that Skype is definitely not installed, even though the button says "Install"?
[22:55] <Stefanostera> I just want to be sure to install 16.04 (now I've 15.10)... 4 days ago Ive tryed 16.04 but there was a lot of problem
[22:57] <Mihasi> Well, in any case you can always try installing the .deb packages using the command line: sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[22:57] <Stefanostera> with 15.10 I just click to .deb files and all goes without problem; with 16.04 I click to .deb file and all seems with 100000 problems
[22:58] <Mihasi> It's difficult to give you advice for "100000 problems" without knowing what these problems are. Like I said, I used to have the same issue with the new software center in 16.04 and got around it by using the command line. Now, it seems to work fine on my machine.
[22:59] <Mihasi> In general, I would say that installing third party software through .deb packages works as well in 16.04 now as it did back in 15.10, but it might be different on your computer.
[23:00] <Stefanostera> Ok thank you for all... I'll try 16.04 again...
[23:02] <BaW> so ive been looking for an firewall for ubuntu, i know it has the built in one but i cant block apps
[23:02] <BaW> ive done some research and http://douaneapp.com/ looks promising but idk ... has anyone used it or recommends any other one?
[23:08] <guapo> Hola alguien podria brindarme su valiosa ayuda?
[23:09] <knox_> Estoy igual
[23:09] <guapo> que problema tienes tu?
[23:09] <MonkeyDust> !es
[23:09] <knox_> sabes como listar los canales?
[23:09] <guapo> vale pero l amayoria es Bilingue :9
[23:11] <guapo> de unos dias para aca me dejo de funcionar el touchpad de mi equipo
[23:11] <guapo> alguien sabe como solucionarlo?
[23:11] <guapo> no me responde
[23:12] <Mihasi> BaW, I don't know about Douane, I've only used iptables (the built-in firewall) in the past, but it seems like it should be possible to block specific apps using that: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/104830/block-specific-application-with-iptables
[23:12] <BaW> Mihasi, thank you for that i will look into that
[23:13] <guapo> help
[23:13] <MonkeyDust> guapo  stop and type /j #ubuntu-es
[23:13] <guapo> i am in the channel
[23:14] <knox_> Ok, ya ví que estaba haciendo mal
[23:14] <guapo> oye amigo que hablas español
[23:15] <knox_> dime
[23:15] <guapo> podrias hecharme una mano?
[23:15] <Ben64> !es | knox_ & guapo
[23:15] <knox_> dime
[23:15] <MonkeyDust> knox_  you too, english only heere
[23:15] <guapo> Mi touchpad de unos dias para aca mi touchpad no responde en ubunto Mate
[23:16] <MonkeyDust> guapo  use english or leave the channel
[23:17] <knox_> Hey guapo the mod of this channel stumbles if you speak spanish
[23:17] <knox_> verify the drivers
[23:22] <pauljw> BaW, you might also check out Gufw, a graphic interface for the ufw firewall.  Under the rules menu, you can in fact block apps.
[23:24] <fakeabsi> Any idea what is meant by mnemonics in Ubuntu?
[23:33] <OerHeks> mnemonics , easy to remember/recognise ?
[23:34] <OerHeks> like the same close min max button position through all programs