[00:17] <valorie> huh, aborted while I went to fertilize plants
[00:17] <valorie> I'll resume when I get back from dinner
[03:09] <ahoneybun> so I updated the icons on a few pages of the website
[03:09] <ahoneybun> also changed UDS to Akademy
[03:16] <valorie> thank you ahoneybun!
 It was bugging me too lol
 So np
 Its 11pm here
[03:32] <valorie> weird, the install aborted with no error message
[03:33] <valorie> trying again without downloading updates etc.
[03:35] <ahoneybun> yea I've seen that break things
[03:35] <valorie> I think I'll throw away this VM
[03:35] <ahoneybun> we should update that email from riddell
[03:35] <ahoneybun> on the contribute page too
[03:35] <valorie> and start over afresh
[04:22] <Mirv> acheronuk: indeed. and luckily many of the build problems now have a solution at least. Plasma should be working soon if the rebuilds of those goes fine, as Qt modules start to be now built.
[06:41] <sgclark> clivejo: yofel 16.04.1 needs to be tested if you guys could make a call or something
[06:55] <acheronuk> Mirv: good to hear. have been resolving probs and doing builds this end using Qt 5.6.1 I backported from debian an put in a ppa, but I guess the sooner we can mirror what might actually be going in the YY archive the better
[07:46] <valorie> by the way, I was unable to install 16.04.1 in a vbox
[07:47] <valorie> probably something in how I set up vbox
[07:47] <soee> any errors ?
[07:47] <valorie> it just aborted each time
[07:48] <acheronuk> iso url? I'll have a go
[07:48] <valorie> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/363/builds -- testers wanted
[07:56] <acheronuk> iso downloading
[07:57]  * acheronuk wishes for fibre
[08:05] <acheronuk> valorie: when did it abort?
[08:08] <valorie> the first time, dunno because I was outside
[08:08] <valorie> locked up the computer
[08:08] <valorie> after that it wanted to resize and never finished 
[08:09] <valorie> which is why I think it's vbox
[08:09] <acheronuk> install under way here, so shall see 
[08:09] <yofel> might very well be vbox. I had lockups thanks to that in the past
[08:10] <acheronuk> vbox 5.0.x or 5.1?
[08:12] <valorie> $ apt-cache policy virtualbox
[08:12] <valorie> virtualbox:
[08:12] <valorie>   Installed: 5.0.24-dfsg-2
[08:12] <valorie> whatever was in the YY archive
[08:14] <acheronuk> vbox have 5.0.26 on their site, or 5.1 which was released a week or 2 ago
[08:15] <soee_> http://i.imgur.com/5rEMLMV.jpg
[08:15] <acheronuk> vbox is constantly having to bugfix against new kernels/X etc, so I try to use the latest from their site. sometimes even their dev testing snapshots if I hit a specific problem
[08:17] <soee_> the Continue button is not clickable 
[08:17] <yofel> soee_: there is no continue button in that screenshot?
[08:18] <soee_> yofel: well in the installer :)
[08:18] <acheronuk> all installed and booted http://i.imgur.com/JXmbZZM.jpg
[08:19] <soee_> brobably something with VB configuration that prevents from pressing that button
[08:19] <yofel> acheronuk: please remember to say so in the testcase
[08:20] <acheronuk> soee_: too small virtual hard disc space allocated? that can prevent you being able to click to continue IIRC?
[08:20] <soee_> acheronuk: it is 8GB
[08:21] <soee_> and Neon Dev installs fine
[08:21] <acheronuk> I used 16GB as overkill, as Xenail refused install with 8 GB and guided install the other week
[08:21] <acheronuk> Neon installs less
[08:24]  * yofel tries to run some i386 testcases
[08:36] <soee_> acheronuk: indeed, increasing vdi size allows me to install system
[08:44] <santa_> good morning everyone
[09:16] <soee_> plasmashell crashes during install but probably due to VB
[09:17] <soee_> it restarts and installer finishes fine
[09:19] <soee_> yofel: we dont have any app on favs list right?
[09:20] <yofel> no we don't
[10:36] <clivejo> anyone with a disposable YY box?  I would like a test install of Plasma 5.7.2 and what it wants to remove
 I can setup VB after 13:00
[11:07] <acheronuk> clivejo: can in a bit
[11:12] <acheronuk> clivejo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/20297147/
[11:12] <mamarley> clivejo: I actually already installed it.  It didn't want to remove anything on my system.
[11:13]  * acheronuk seriously pondering upgrading to YY
[11:13] <mamarley> I did a couple months back and I don't have any regrets.
[11:14] <acheronuk> main reason for holding back was I had half a mind to run Neon on this box for a while
[11:14] <acheronuk> so would need to stick with a xenial base
[11:15] <mamarley> It was really tempting to install Neon on my boxes too, but the reason I ended up not doing it was because I didn't want to be stuck on a LTS.
[11:15] <soee_> yeah that is the only issue with Neon :D
[11:15] <soee_> well for some :D
[11:15] <mamarley> In addition to the latest KDE krack, I also like to have the latest Xorg and kernel crack. :P
[11:16] <shadeslayer> mamarley: you can get the latest Xorg and kernel crack
[11:16] <shadeslayer> you just install the backported LTS packages
[11:16] <soee_> he?
[11:16] <shadeslayer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[11:17] <mamarley> True, but there are a bunch of other applications that I like to stay up-to-date on as well.
[11:17] <shadeslayer> you said kernel and xorg :P
[11:17] <shadeslayer> I have been decieved, noooo
[11:18] <soee_> shadeslayer: The 16.04.2 and newer point releases will ship with an updated kernel and X stack by default for the desktop. Server installations will default to the GA kernel and provide the enablement kernel as optional.
[11:18] <soee_> so only when doing fresh install ?
[11:18] <shadeslayer> yeah I guess?
[11:19] <acheronuk> Even if I tried Neon for a while, I would still have switched to YY on release at the latest
[11:19] <acheronuk> or ZZ ;)
[11:34] <acheronuk> Is this failing just because of the symbols? https://launchpadlibrarian.net/274219533/buildlog_ubuntu-yakkety-amd64.kwayland_4%3A5.24.0+p16.10+git20160721.0402-0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[11:41] <tsimonq2> seems like there are still some 16.04.1 tests that need to be done, tackling them now
[11:50] <santa_> acheronuk: it seems so, yes
[11:52] <acheronuk> not sure whether to update them for a CI build, and if so what version to use
[11:52] <acheronuk> oddly it builds fine in Neon from the same source, and I can't see they have done any updating of the symbols
[11:54] <yofel> tsimonq2, acheronuk, valorie, soee: images are good enough, thanks for testing
[11:54] <yofel> (and thanks to whoever I forgot)
[11:55] <tsimonq2> yofel: alright, then nevermind :)
[11:56] <clivejo> I guess kde-style-qtcurve-qt5 needs a NC rebuild
[11:56]  * tsimonq2 does a set of Yakkety Daily tests
[11:56] <soee> +1
[11:56] <tsimonq2> wait, you guys participating in Alpha 2 next week?
[11:57] <acheronuk> clivejo: yep
[11:57] <clivejo> fancy doing it ?
[11:57] <acheronuk> I use qtcurve, as I dislike breeze a bit
[11:58] <clivejo> Im just getting some lunch and then off to get robbed by th dentist
[11:58] <soee> yofel: do we participate in alpha 2 ?
[11:59] <yofel> tsimonq2, soee: probably not
[11:59] <acheronuk> clivejo: I have a few things to do this afternoon also, so I would suggest whoever gets to it first and feels like it
[11:59]  * clivejo wonders when the Ubuntu Health benifits kick in
[11:59] <yofel> not much in the archive as we depend on qt 5.6 being in there
[11:59] <tsimonq2> alright yofel 
[11:59] <tsimonq2> another thing I wanted to ask, I'm learning some packaging, is there anything simple I can do?
[12:01] <acheronuk> yofel: if I updates those kwayland symbols for unstable, would you use the labelled 5.24 of the build for the version, or the 5.25 that it's actually producing in the build
[12:01] <acheronuk> I guess the latter?
[12:02] <yofel> acheronuk: I think we did the former usually (i.e. 5.24+gitfoobar, without the ubuntu/ppa suffix)
[12:02] <clivejo> in the past I have just used the KCI version
[12:02] <yofel> there should be some examples in the symbol files
[12:02] <soee> tsimonq2: you want to package something simple ?
[12:02] <tsimonq2> yep soee 
[12:03] <soee> tsimonq2: did you packages something already?
[12:03] <soee> *packaged
[12:03] <acheronuk> yofel: ok. I'll have a look later then
[12:03] <clivejo> tsimonq2: did you manage to get the freeciv snap working?
[12:03] <tsimonq2> clivejo: no :(
[12:04] <clivejo> Id love to see how that works
[12:04] <tsimonq2> soee: I'm very familiar with the process, but I don't have experience :)
[12:04] <soee> clivejo, acheronuk will you be able to lead tsimonq2 a bit?
[12:05] <acheronuk> clivejo: the qtcurve git snapshot in YY is newer than XX, so I presume build that version for both?
[12:06] <clivejo> tsimonq2: could you do a no change rebuild of kde-style-qtcurve-qt5 ?
[12:06] <tsimonq2> clivejo: in Ubuntu Yakkety?
[12:06] <clivejo> ah acheronuk might be on it
[12:07] <tsimonq2> alright
[12:07] <clivejo> yeah, well both XX and YY if possible
[12:07] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: can do it if they want
[12:07] <tsimonq2> alright
[12:07] <tsimonq2> yeah I'm up for that
[12:08] <tsimonq2> do you guys have archive access for when I have it ready?
[12:08] <clivejo> you need to grab the source, bump the ubuntu version and upload it to your PPA
[12:08] <clivejo> Ill have a look and copy it to our staging area
[12:08] <tsimonq2> alright
[12:09] <clivejo> acheronuk: this is Simon, from the party/dojo
[12:09] <tsimonq2> yep :D
[12:09] <acheronuk> ah. right. was trying to place the name. now that makes sense!
[12:09] <clivejo> https://www.kubuntu.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/593a/Kubuntu_Party_3.2.png
[12:10] <clivejo> bottom right under Rick T
[12:10] <acheronuk> yep, I got that. 
[12:10] <clivejo> LOL that capture of Mario makes me giggle
[12:10] <tsimonq2> I've rearranged my room since :P
[12:11]  * tsimonq2 updates his schroots
[12:11] <acheronuk> the webcam on my laptop has it's kernel module disabled. on purpose. lol
[12:11] <clivejo> maybe Rik can help Simon while Im away getting robbed?
[12:12] <acheronuk> I'm out for about 2 hrs as well.
[12:12] <clivejo> oh dear
[12:12] <tsimonq2> I'll just ping you both when it's uploaded to my PPA :)
[12:12] <clivejo> do you understand the task?
[12:13] <acheronuk> I've rebuilt it locally more than once. It shouldn't cause probs....
[12:13] <acheronuk> not from the YY sources anyway
[12:14] <clivejo> oh wait, it will build with YY Qt
[12:14] <clivejo> ah but I can copy source only and rebuilt in our staging
[12:14] <clivejo> that should work ok
[12:15] <acheronuk> or/and simon could add one of the staging ppas with qt 5.6 as a temporary ppa dependency on his
[12:16] <soee> !info pulseaudio xenial
[12:16] <soee> !info pulseaudio 
[12:16] <soee> :<
[12:16] <tsimonq2> I can't build the package...
[12:16] <tsimonq2> dh clean --parallel --list-missing --with=kf5
[12:16] <tsimonq2> dh: unable to load addon kf5: Can't locate Debian/Debhelper/Sequence/kf5.pm in @INC (you may need to install the Debian::Debhelper::Sequence::kf5 module) (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.22.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.22.2 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl5/5.22 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.22 /usr/share/perl/5.22 /usr/local/lib/site_perl /usr/local/l
[12:16] <tsimonq2> ib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.22.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.22.1 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl-base .) at (eval 11) line 2.
[12:16] <tsimonq2> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at (eval 11) line 2.
[12:17] <tsimonq2> :/
[12:17]  * tsimonq2 creates an LXD container
[12:18] <acheronuk> need pkg-kde-tools installed on the build machine?
[12:18] <santa_> yes
[12:18] <santa_> tsimonq2: ↑ install pkg-kde-tools
[12:19] <acheronuk> or test in pbuilder
[12:19] <tsimonq2> THANKS santa_ :D
[12:20] <acheronuk> right I gotta go.
[12:20] <santa_> acheronuk: you need it even if you are doing source only builds so if you want to produce a *.dsc file to be fed in pbuilder...
[12:20] <santa_> see you
[12:20] <tsimonq2> done, uploading now
[12:21] <acheronuk> santa_: yes? I don't think I've ever tried without it being installed, so I'd not have noticed that
[12:21] <acheronuk> ok. really going. have fun
[12:21] <santa_> bye
[12:22] <tsimonq2> https://launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/+archive/ubuntu/testing/+build/10497976
[12:25] <soee> :)
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:48] <tsimonq2> acheronuk, clivejo: sorry, got sidetracked, all built! \o/ https://launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/+archive/ubuntu/testing/+packages
[13:51] <clivejo> yofel: ping
[13:54] <yofel> clivejo: hm?
[13:54] <acheronuk> the -3 on the end was the debian revision I think, so for ubuntu it would have been more appropriate to append to that rather than bump it?
[13:54] <clivejo> yeah, thats what I wanted to ask yofel
[13:54] <acheronuk> lol. all arrive at once!
[13:54] <clivejo> with a debian synced package
[13:54] <clivejo> how do we version a no change rebuild?
[13:55] <yofel> dch -R
[13:55] <yofel> -> -3build1
[13:57] <clivejo> when would it become 3ubuntu1?
[13:57] <clivejo> if we started maintaining it?
[13:58]  * clivejo thinks he made a boo boo pyqt
[13:59] <clivejo> with pyqt
[14:00]  * clivejo downs a litre of chilled water
[14:16] <BluesKaj> I'm a bit disappointed that the sddm logion page on yakkety no longer accepts jpegs for background, the loader ewxpects some generic image*/ file with not other options, I hope this is just an oversight and not a deliberate restriction to make us download "approved" images 
[14:18] <yofel> clivejo: it would on every actual modification. buildX means stricktly only a new changelog entry
[14:18] <yofel> *strictly
 Ah. I see
[15:13]  * yofel uploaded the download links on the website
[15:13] <yofel> it would be nice if someone culd double-check that
[15:17] <acheronuk> direct DL links and torrents seem to be pointing to the correct places for me
[15:56] <acheronuk> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2016-July/000209.html
[16:26] <santa_> clivejo: fix for ffmpegthumbs here https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/kubuntu-packaging/+git/ffmpegthumbs/+merge/300788
[16:26] <santa_> have you looked kdelibs?
[16:29] <clivejo> I think yofel was looking at them
[17:09] <soee> shall we add some info about 16.04.1 at http://kubuntu.org/news/ ?
[17:16] <clivejo> yofel: if YY has -3build1 what do we call XX version?
[17:31] <acheronuk> the XX one is not a rebuild surely, as that version was not in XX before?
 Life is Strange is on Linux now
 soee
 What is it?
 Not sure just that its a episode style game
 We need to get a release page out for 16.04.1
[18:26] <blaze> does anyone know when mesa 12 will hit YY?
[19:13] <jimarvan> hey peeps
 clivejo: XX sounds like a backport. So go with the regular backports versioning
 3build1.1?
[20:18] <clivejo> yofel: 3build1.1?
 No. 3build1~ubuntu16.04~ppa1
[20:26]  * acheronuk stares at plasma-workspace in CI..... BUILD!
[20:33] <acheronuk> yea. built for xenial, and hopefully YY should next time it gets retried
[20:37]  * clivejo pokes plasma-workspace YY build
[20:38] <acheronuk> have been gradually picking fixes in CI to try to fix the plasma build chain on there, to get plasma-desktop to build in the end
[20:38] <acheronuk> over the last week or so
[20:39] <clivejo> yeah, but it doesnt help when LP or KCI crap out in the middle of it
[20:39] <acheronuk> nope. it doesn't
[20:39] <clivejo> anything you want poked?
[20:40] <clivejo> have you tried to log into KCI?
[20:40] <acheronuk> yep. and I've done a bit of prodding myself
[20:41] <acheronuk> just carefully!
[20:41] <clivejo> needs kwin-dev
[20:42] <acheronuk> ^^^ KCI trying to panic me! that was an earlier one
[20:43] <acheronuk> oh yes, kwin should build in YY now.
[20:43] <clivejo> if there are packages still red in the upstream projects they should be resolved first
[20:44] <acheronuk> forgot that while being pleased for the plasma-workspace
[20:44] <acheronuk> yes, I know. that's what I've been doing
[20:45] <acheronuk> trying to fix that build chain step by step
[21:53] <clivejo> dh_install: plasma-desktop-data missing files: usr/share/appdata/org.kde.plasmashell.metainfo.xml
[21:56] <acheronuk> clivejo: yep, it moved. trying fix
[21:59] <clivejo> if you push to unstable it should auto-merge and trigger the two builds
[21:59] <acheronuk> already done
[22:00] <clivejo> so efficient!! 
[22:01] <acheronuk> If it breaks in another way, I'll have to sort that tomorow..
[22:02] <acheronuk> and the few others. didn't expect it to all automagically fix at once
[22:03] <acheronuk> all good practice :)
[22:03] <clivejo> its fun for a bit
[22:03] <clivejo> until it breaks stuff for no reason
[22:05] <acheronuk> always a reason. just sometimes the reason is not within your comprehension or control
[22:06] <clivejo> out of memory on KCI
[22:06] <clivejo> or Launchpad is temp unavailable
[22:07] <acheronuk> well, everything in life has a few ways to kick you
[22:07] <clivejo> LP has more than a few!
[22:07] <valorie> heh
[22:07] <valorie> thus the "affectionate" name Lunchpad
[22:07] <acheronuk> I expect I'll get most of that to build, and straight away the KDE devs will make sweeping changes!
[22:08] <acheronuk> valorie: haha, yes. 
[22:09] <valorie> we can just take the official release note and put it on the website, correct?
[22:09] <valorie> and make it Kub specific
[22:12] <valorie> ah, I see we usually just do a two-liner
[22:20] <acheronuk> ooh. plasma-desktop built on XX KCI
[22:25] <valorie> ahoneybun or whoever is around -- I c/p/fixed the article, and put in the links, but I don't know how to make them "proper" links
[22:25] <valorie> can someone fix that
[22:25] <valorie> it's saved as a draft
[22:33] <acheronuk> kwin build "out of memory", so workspace then fails. grr...
[22:33]  * clivejo nods
[22:35] <clivejo> so annoying
[22:36] <acheronuk> if I can get kwin to build, I'll come back to the rest tomorrow
[22:37] <clivejo> should I try clearing the workspace?
[22:37] <acheronuk> kwin is now building
[22:38] <acheronuk> on a retry
[22:38] <clivejo> ok
[22:38] <clivejo> any ideas why it randomly throws that out of memory error?
[22:38] <clivejo> only seems to be doing that recently
[22:38] <acheronuk> not a scooby
[22:40] <acheronuk> is that still running on bluesystems?
[22:40] <clivejo> yes
[22:41] <acheronuk> hmmm
[22:43] <valorie> failing memory unit?
[22:45] <acheronuk> "make: *** Cannot allocate memory.  Stop."
[22:47] <valorie> :(
[22:54] <acheronuk> 6 fixes in a row seems a good point to say goodnight
[22:56] <valorie> thanks for your work acheronuk!