[05:11] <hikiko> hi
[05:22] <qengho> hi hi ki ko
[08:04] <Laney> morning!
[08:07] <seb128> hey Laney! had a good trip back?
[08:09] <Laney> hi seb128!
[08:09] <Laney> it was fine, the flight was delayed by 15 minutes
[08:09] <Laney> but I got a whole row to myself so that was nice
[08:09] <Laney> and I took one in "business class"
[08:10] <Laney> not sure that means much on those small planes
[08:10] <seb128> other side of the curtain? ;-)
[08:10] <Laney> hmm there was a curtain but I was behind it
[08:10] <Laney> probably more leg room...
[08:10] <Laney> how was your afternoon/evening?
[08:12] <seb128> good
[08:12] <seb128> we had diner behind the town hall on the big square
[08:12] <seb128> got the mussels, that was good ;-)
[08:12] <Laney> nice!
[08:12] <seb128> it was a bit colder than the other day, quite windy
[08:12] <seb128> otherwise we just had a short walk and a tea home before going to bed
[08:15] <seb128> Laney, btw the polkit patch works now, I had a copy error/thinko in my version the other day, better once that's fixed ;-) (thanks Simon who reviewed the patch/pointed the error out)
[08:16] <Laney> seb128: oh nice
[08:16] <Laney> was the patch to that other place?
[08:17] <seb128> yes
[08:17] <seb128> the one you suggested
[08:17] <seb128> thanks for that ;-)
[08:17] <Laney> hehe
[08:17] <seb128> I also figured out the virtualbox theming issue
[08:17] <seb128> pitti is looking at it
[08:18] <seb128> xsession-init.conf does a initctil set-env of GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID
[08:18] <seb128> which qt uses to tell if it's under GNOME
[08:19] <Laney> oh I remember this
[08:19] <Laney> we set it to this-is-deprecated
[08:19] <seb128> right
[08:19] <seb128> qt only checks if it's defined
[08:19] <seb128> doesn't care about the value
[08:20] <seb128> well old qt
[08:20] <Laney> xsession-init.conf:    [ "$SESSIONTYPE" = "gnome-session" ] && initctl set-env --global GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID=this-is-deprecated || true
[08:20] <seb128> right
[09:00] <Laney> coffeeee
[09:00] <Laney> it feels like 10° cooler today
[09:00] <Laney> which is actually still quite nice
[09:00] <seb128> yeah, same here
[09:01] <seb128> 24°C is good, 33°C is too much
[09:03] <pitti> hey Laney, good morning!
[09:04] <Laney> ahoy pitti!
[09:04] <Laney> are you across the border?
[09:05] <pitti> Laney: not yet, 35 mins before Venlo
[09:05] <pitti> I only started at 9:35
[09:05] <Laney> aha
[09:07] <pitti> I pushed some robustifications to git this morning, currently pondering what to do with the shutdown han
[09:07] <pitti> g
[09:08] <Laney> do you know what's causing it?
[09:08] <pitti> logout and reboot from lightdm works fine, logout is "clean" now
[09:09] <pitti> but reboot from indicator does not stop the session first, so a lot of user dbus services keep running
[09:09] <pitti> they don't get TERMed initially
[09:09] <pitti> just KILLed after the 90 s timeout
[09:10] <pitti> :systemctl status user@1000.service" has a lot of stuff on shutdown, and that's what systemd is waiting on
[09:10] <pitti> i. e. a side effect of putting more stuff into it
[09:11] <pitti> with just the few things that run in it on current y it stops cleanly
[09:14] <qengho> :w
[09:22] <andyrock> morning
[09:23] <seb128> hey andyrock, how are you?
[09:23] <andyrock> setting up my new xps 15
[09:23] <andyrock> xd
[09:23] <andyrock> XD
[09:23] <andyrock> and you seb128 ?
[09:24] <seb128> nice!
[09:24] <seb128> I'm good, thanks
[12:00]  * Laney scratches chin
[12:01] <Laney> is $GNOME_KEYRING_CONTROL and/or $GNOME_KEYRING_PID actually nonempty for anyone?
[12:03] <seb128> O_o
[12:04] <seb128> empty for me on stock xenial
[12:05] <Laney> guess that makes the job simpler
[12:05] <seb128> simpler is better :-)
[12:07] <seb128> Laney, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=725801
[12:07] <seb128> they got removed when it started using /run
[12:08] <Laney> yes it's XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/keyring/control now
[12:09] <seb128> it sounds nicer than relying on env
[12:43] <pitti> seb128, Laney: shutdown should be fixed with 0.0.9 (also in the PPA); let me know if logout and/our shutdown/reboot is still breaking stuff for you
[12:44] <seb128> pitti, great, going to try that in a bit, thanks!
[12:44]  * pitti is just back from some odyssey, going to be in Augsburg later
[12:44] <Laney> nice, will try soon
[12:45] <Laney> think gnome-keyring-ssh.service works now too
[12:48] <Laney> idiot
[12:48] <Laney> just rebooted laptop instead of vm
[12:49] <pitti> Laney: whoops :)
[13:33] <pitti> seb128: confirming the GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID race, I sometimes get the var and sometimes not
[13:33] <seb128> pitti, ah, I'm not crazy, good ;-)
[13:34] <pitti> seb128: aside from the upstart job, gnome-session-binary sets it by itself; but at that time other stuff is already running which doesn't get affected
[13:34] <seb128> right
[13:35] <seb128> but gnome-session only impacts on the processes it starts right?
[13:37] <pitti> seb128: no, it also updates the dbus activation env
[13:37] <pitti> but that's too late
[13:37] <seb128> ah, makes sense
[13:38] <pitti> seb128: so I'll add the same hack as in xsession-init.conf
[13:38] <seb128> I remembered it had some gsm_update_env thing but not what that did
[13:38] <seb128> k, makes sense
[13:38] <seb128> thanks
[14:00] <Laney> k, going off to town, be back in a bit to upload gnome-keyring
[14:03] <seb128> Laney, have fun!
[17:04] <belkinsa> To the desktop team members, you have a check -n with the CC now in #ubuntu-meeting
[17:32] <mhall119> seb128: are you available for the CC checkin
[17:32] <mhall119> ?
[18:48] <Laney> hax haxy hax
[19:00] <ochosi> Laney: what are you haxin? :)
[20:02] <Laney> ochosi: just pushed some systemd stuff to gnome-keyring
[20:03] <Laney> did some debian/rules hax to turn off all of the xdg autostart files
[21:21] <seb128> mhall119, sorry but was at dinner, just for next time contacting the concerned people more than a day in advance would be nice, especially when the meeting is after work hours
[21:22] <seb128> but I replied yesterday saying that it was inconvenient and that it would be better to reschedule if possible
[21:22] <seb128> sorry for missing it, maybe next time it works out :-)