[13:03] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:03] <pauljw_vm> hi BluesKaj
[13:04] <BluesKaj> Hi pauljw_vm
[13:04] <pauljw_vm> :)
[13:04] <BluesKaj> kvm-qemu?
[13:06] <pauljw_vm> virtualbox
[13:09] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:13] <pauljw_vm> i did try kvm-qemu, but prefer vb. :)
[13:30] <OerHeks> what bank allows personel use mint?
[13:34] <DArqueBishop> OerHeks: that's just one of many things about his story that make me wonder if he's trolling us.
[13:35] <BluesKaj> DArqueBishop, who's story ?
[13:35] <DArqueBishop> BluesKaj: pleaseeheelp in #ubuntu main.
[13:37] <BluesKaj> DArqueBishop, perhaps , but I was having a similar problem with X a few days ago, but this was on yakkety
[13:38]  * DArqueBishop nods.
[13:38] <OerHeks> oke, i am still on 15.10 too ...
[13:39] <OerHeks>  :-D
[13:39] <BluesKaj> never did figure out what it was , a reboot worked
[13:39] <BluesKaj> didn't bother with logs , there are so many little bugs happening
[13:40] <DArqueBishop> OerHeks: yeah, but 15.10 isn't EOL. ;-)
[13:41] <DArqueBishop> If I'm running a Linux distro on a laptop for work, you can be sure I'll be running a version that isn't EOL.
[15:38] <nacc> OerHeks: DArqueBishop: you've got a week :)
[15:40] <DArqueBishop> nacc: the Ubuntu VM I have running is 16.04. ;-)
[15:40] <nacc> DArqueBishop: :)
[15:40] <nacc> have we seen a lot more noise in #ubuntu today with 16.04.1 out?
[15:48] <DArqueBishop> It seems to be the same as before.
[15:49] <nacc> good :)
[16:03] <OerHeks> no real 14.04 upgrade issues yet, brace yourselves
[17:20] <pauljw_vm> just received my email from System76 advising me that 16.04.1 is now available and approved for upgrade.  Not going to do it, but thought I'd pass that along... :)
[17:22] <Bashing-om> pauljw_vm: Yepper .. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#Official_flavours . Awaiting all the mirror sites to sync up .
[17:23] <pauljw_vm> :)
[17:27] <BluesKaj> yeah, today is upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04 day, officially
[17:29] <BluesKaj> 16.04.1 actually
[17:31] <Bashing-om> gonna wait some more to install 16.04.1 .. 1) Have not purchased the SSD, 2) Wait for the pounding on the servers to lessen .
[17:31] <BluesKaj> rain, hail and wind warnings here...it's so dark I can barely read the KB
[17:32] <Bashing-om> Heber Springs, AR: Temp: 94 F (34 C) ~ Clear ~ Heat index: 110 F (43 C) ~ Humidity: 60% ~ Alert: Heat Advisory ~ Observed: Thu 21, 11:56
[17:33] <BluesKaj>  it was 29C , dropped to 25 very quickly
[17:33] <BluesKaj> Bashing-om, ugh!
[17:34] <Bashing-om> The AC is my new best friend :)
[17:35] <BluesKaj> yup, can't live without it
[17:37] <Bashing-om> BluesKaj: We are at the end of the power grid .. and there are those times there is no enough amperage left to run the AC .. yuk !
[17:38] <BluesKaj> Bashing-om, bummer :/
[17:39] <ducasse> why is it that people who can't use a pastebin think they are qualified to 'tune' their systems?
[17:40] <pauljw_vm> lol
[17:40] <BluesKaj> we don't see temps much over 30C/87F
[17:43] <Bashing-om> Honestly, I had some experience with softwares when I migrated to (k)ubuntu; I have broke my 'buntus a bunch re-learning .
[17:45] <ducasse> Bashing-om: remember when i started out with slackware, repeatedly broke my system in truly horrible ways - great learning experience :)
[17:46] <pauljw_vm> same when i started
[17:46] <ducasse> emptied out /dev once, that was fun.
[17:48] <Bashing-om> ducasse: I also messed about with slackware as a server install .. - a friend introduced me to (k)ubuntu desktop .. I have never had other thoughts than 'buntu since . So much easier .
[17:49] <ducasse> agree, it's a lot more streamlined. i still love slackware, though.
[17:50] <pauljw_vm> i couldn't get thru my thick skull the importance of sticking with what was in the repos...  broke pclinuxos so many times i can't count, then i learned how to build from source and was able to play without total destruction.  built vmware and have been hooked on vm's ever since.
[17:50] <BluesKaj> .discovered kubuntu in 2005 , stuck with the kde desktop ever since , even on other distros
[17:51] <Bashing-om> Me minimalistic minded .. KISS .. Only have what I use .. and use what I have .
[17:52] <pauljw_vm> nothin' wrong with that
[17:53] <EriC^^> hi
[17:53] <EriC^^> all
[17:53] <Bashing-om> Thus far, I have been fortunate .. or unlucky .. Have yet to have the need in 'buntu to compile from source .
[17:53] <pauljw_vm> hey EriC^^
[17:54] <EriC^^> hey pauljw_vm :)
[17:54] <pauljw_vm> Bashing-om, i haven't either
[17:55] <Bashing-om> EriC^^ EriC^^ , he's our man .., comes to EFI booting ... if he can not do it .. no one can .
[17:55] <EriC^^> lol Bashing-om
[17:55] <EriC^^> you are great poet
[17:56] <Bashing-om> pauljw_vm: I have grown to learn .. installed applications .. if there is a need " it's in the repo " .
[17:56] <EriC^^> a little exaggerative but poetic and nice, ty
[17:57] <BluesKaj> hey EriC^^ keeping the new recruits happy ?
[17:57] <Bashing-om> EriC^^: Plagurized (sp) .. I think I can get away with that in this instance .
[17:57] <pauljw_vm> Bashing-om, i agree, linux has come a long way in the last decade.
[17:58] <EriC^^> BluesKaj: not really, i haven't been that active in the channel lately though i miss it
[18:01] <BluesKaj> EriC^^, guess I should have said, new recruits in #ubuntu
[18:02] <EriC^^> BluesKaj: yeah that's what i meant :)
[18:02] <BluesKaj> ok :-)
[18:04] <BluesKaj> been mucking about with a rpi 3 here, can't make up my mind what to use it for ...mostly experimentation with different OSs so far, but nothing really grabs my interest up to this point
[18:06] <ducasse> BluesKaj: did you look at riscos? i thought it was kind of charming :) (in a retro way)
[18:07] <BluesKaj> perhaps make it a kodi box, but my vpn .ovpn config files error out and I don't want the exposure that the addons give your IP
[18:08] <BluesKaj> ducasse, was checking riscos yesterday but it's over a yr old
[18:09] <ducasse> BluesKaj: they're probably short on developers..
[18:10] <BluesKaj> librelec isn't nearly as good at connecting to sites , over 80% of them fail
[18:10] <ducasse> i use an rpi2 for kodi, too bad about lack of h.265 support, though.
[18:10] <BluesKaj> kodi by itselfd is much better in my experience
[18:11] <ducasse> what do you run kodi on? ubuntu?
[18:12] <BluesKaj> I'm thinking of going back to raspbian with kodion it
[18:13] <BluesKaj> I had kodi on kubuntu for a while, but it really is a clunky app IMO
[18:14] <ducasse> i've been thinking of some sort of minimal setup with just autologin + kodi, but openelec works well enough so far.
[18:17] <BluesKaj> i prefer to use a vpn with kodi ,. sure hope I can fix that version problem I have with .ovpn files on raspbian
[18:18] <ducasse> i can get that, but mine just reads files from my zfs server.
[18:30] <BluesKaj> I just wanrt kodi for internrt tv feeds , i prefer to have direct access to te outboard media filed drive.
[18:30] <BluesKaj> files
[18:31] <BluesKaj> ...it's dark in here the thunderclouds are sticking around
[18:34] <OerHeks> feel the force, luke
[18:35] <ducasse> i rarely use kodi for internet tv, but it seems to work. we were expecting thunder here from today and out the week, but it's still fine..
[18:38] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Buy them books, send them to school ( tan2 )... and what do they do ???
[18:41] <pauljw_vm> eat the covers...
[18:41] <ducasse> Bashing-om: this is like pulling teeth...
[18:49] <Bashing-om> Yeah ,, got one similar on the forum .. been 3 days just to get an edit to grub .
[18:51] <ducasse> "just autostart it from the openbox config" - "what?"
[18:51] <ducasse> wth do you mean, "what"?
[18:51] <ducasse> it's like trying to tell my cat not to walk on the keyboard.
[18:55] <ducasse> ...and then he just left.
[18:55] <OerHeks> bye cat
[18:55] <ducasse> :)
[18:56] <OerHeks> upgrade disappears, yeah right
[18:58] <ducasse> much like the famous "i did nothing, this just happened"
[18:59] <Bashing-om> ducasse: I go through the trouble to hunt up a opennox tutorial, and come back .. gone ! .. sheeshhh . Oh well .
[19:00] <ducasse> Bashing-om: me too, i was just about to paste link on openbox autostart...
[19:01] <Bashing-om> Good exercise, I reckon ..
[19:01] <ducasse> people _really_ don't like being told to rtfm, but in some cases that is the answer they need.
[19:03] <Bashing-om> Well .. gotta go to town .. be back soonest to the keyboard .. pick this back up then .
[19:03] <ducasse> have fun :)
[19:12] <BluesKaj> ok , switching to my stable install ...brb
[20:30] <nacc> Ben64: sorry for their rudeness
[20:30] <Ben64> who?
[20:31] <nacc> Ben64: bulletxt|2
[20:31] <Ben64> ah
[20:31] <Ben64> people think upgrades are magical and will never cause anything to break
[20:32] <nacc> yep
[20:32] <Ben64> i wouldn't want to put myself through 10.04 -> 12.04 -> 14.04 -> 16.04 right now
[20:34] <ducasse> Ben64: that sounds like an excellent opportunity for a fresh install...
[20:35] <Ben64> that was my suggestion exactly
[20:40] <OerHeks> it would prove reliability
[21:13] <daftykins> are we finding 16.04's issues to have calmed down yet?
[21:22] <OerHeks> sure, only unusual man-made-issues tonight
[21:25] <daftykins> :D
[21:25] <ducasse> daftykins: $deity, sometimes i really want to do what got you banned.
[21:26] <daftykins> XD
[21:26] <daftykins> i like to use Tux in place of that variable :)
[21:29] <ducasse> daftykins: some people are just impossible to get through to, and it's worse when they hardly speak english...
[21:30] <daftykins> mmm, it might sound bias but i don't even touch the ones that are a foreign language speaker, or worse yet translating IRC.
[21:32] <ducasse> daftykins: i'm not a native english speaker myself :) but some people can't express themselves in english at all, but insist on using the english channel and get angry when you don't understand them.
[21:33] <daftykins> *nod* i really meant those that show a lack of ability
[21:33] <daftykins> those that learn English as a foreign language probably know it better than the native speakers
[21:34] <Bashing-om> ducasse: Menawhile .. 2 weeks later : https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2329956 .. My patience is wearing real thin . I gather myself .. and try try again .
[21:35]  * daftykins takes a glance
[21:36] <daftykins> Bashing-om: i like your avatar :D
[21:39] <daftykins> my my, that is a messy one
[21:39] <daftykins> "i did all these things, then there were colours on the screen and now i'm scared... hold me?"
[21:40] <ducasse> :-D
[21:41] <daftykins> yep i think the forums would be more stressful than IRC, they go off and do things themselves and you get to guess and pick up the pieces each time!
[21:43] <ducasse> argh, i give up on this guy. it's like talking to a brick wall _while_ having teeth pulled.
[21:43] <daftykins> that is a skilled dentist
[21:44] <ducasse> now he's claiming that his i-want-to-do-something-very-unusual problem is ubuntu's fault, not his config's...
[21:45] <OerHeks> cry cry " i dont have physical access i only have shell access"
[21:45] <daftykins> XD
[21:46] <OerHeks> 1st time on your bicycle was scary too, no?
[21:50] <daftykins> wow just finished that thread, that guy does not follow at all
[21:51] <daftykins> my palm would be so worn from all the facepalming
[21:51] <ducasse> i couldn't read it all, too frustrating. you're a bigger person than me, Bashing-om
[21:51] <daftykins> same here
[21:52] <daftykins> he has the patience of a saint!
[21:55] <ducasse> now this guy wants to use x applications, but he refuses to install a wm...
[21:55] <daftykins> "damn it ducasse, i want my cake and i want to eat it - too!"
[21:56] <ducasse> daftykins: and when i ask why, he answers 'because'.
[21:57] <OerHeks> ducasse, all that efford for avoiding a wm ...
[21:57] <ducasse> "i refuse to say what i want, but i insist you fix it!"
[21:57]  * daftykins chuckles
[21:57] <daftykins> time to throw that fish back in the river
[21:57] <daftykins> let the bears further down have a go ;)
[21:58] <ducasse> i've got to go to bed anyway, two minutes till midnight, and i was up early.
[22:00] <daftykins> sleep well!
[22:00] <daftykins> i wish you pleasant dreams of cooperative helpees
[22:00] <ducasse> thanks :) ttyl.