=== pavlushka is now known as Guest80334 [15:00] * slangasek waves [15:00] o/ [15:00] goedendag! [15:00] \o [15:01] slangasek: can I go first/early today? I'm currently in a train station, travelling back from the sprint; but I need to leave in ~ 10 min [15:01] "A goedendag (also rendered godendac, godendard, godendart, and sometimes conflated with the related plançon) was a weapon originally used by the militias of Medieval Flanders in the 14th century, notably during the Franco-Flemish War." [15:01] pitti: ack [15:01] o/ [15:02] #startmeeting [15:02] Meeting started Thu Jul 21 15:02:05 2016 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:02] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [15:02] slangasek: uh, that was sarcasm at the extreme, I'd say :) [15:02] [TOPIC] Lightning round === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Lightning round [15:03] $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti tdaitx xnox chiluk mwhudson) [15:03] robru slangasek barry bdmurray tdaitx xnox chiluk doko mwhudson caribou sil2100 cyphermox pitti infinity [15:03] ... but pitti goes first [15:03] Mon-Wed: mini-sprint with seb128, Laney, and tedg for converting session startup from session bus/upstart to user bus/systemd; good progress, some bugs/holes found (no surprise), see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/convergence-y-replace-upstart for current status [15:03] yay [15:03] lxd: debug failure on mounting the root fs (#1602192) [15:03] debug and propose a fix for networking restart/ssh deadlock (#1584393) [15:03] (done) [15:03] lp:bileto [15:03] * verbose britney logs for debugging purposes [15:03] * status job is 99% done, unit tests are done, just a few rough edges to sort out and more testing needed [15:03] lp:cupstream2distro [15:03] * check dest archive first for supported arches before falling back on main_archive. [15:03] (done) [15:05] * prepped for this week's snappy sprint [15:05] * ubuntu-image: we have an image that can boot to grub under UEFI; more refinement needed [15:05] * working through bug reports around the secureboot policy change in latest kernel SRUs (LP: #1604873 et al) [15:05] Launchpad bug 1604873 in shim-signed (Ubuntu Xenial) "MokSBStateRT strictly inferior to /proc/sys/kernel/moksbstate_disabled" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1604873 [15:05] * mid-cycle planning [15:05] * some work on un-sticking transitions in proposed-migration; haskell almost got there, then got wedged on an unreproducible (on porter box) armhf build failure halfway up the stack [15:05] * travel swap day tomorrow; mid-cycle next week in .nl [15:06] (done) [15:06] barry: [15:06] all ubuntu-image all the time [15:06] --done-- [15:06] research into how hwe support works in update-manager [15:06] forward port of hwe support to Trusty, Yakkety [15:06] ubuntu-release-upgrader bug triage [15:06] tested LP: #1603436 (python2.7 Xenial regression-update bug) [15:06] Launchpad bug 1603436 in python2.7 (Ubuntu Yakkety) "Regression in python2.7 SRU breaks python-cassandra" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603436 [15:06] ✔ done [15:06] = OpenJDK security update [15:06] - Packaged, tested, and released OpenJDK 8 package for the security team for Xenial and Wily; a Yakkety package is also available [15:06] - Backporting security patches for OpenJDK 7 ongoing [15:06] = Merges [15:06] - isc-dhcp onhold while I worked on the security update [15:06] = Other [15:07] - Will be away today afternoon and tomorrow the whole day (finally moving to a new place) [15:07] - There's a good chance I will be working from a shared office or similar next week while I wait for an ISP technician to check service 'availability [15:07] (done) [15:07] xnox: [15:07] * 16.04.1 iso testing, ubiquity, SRU finalisation [15:07] * zua - fixing apparmor/libvirt/qemu integration [15:07] * opencryptoki upgrade for s390x [15:07] * mdadm with raid fixes in debian (to fix fallout bugs & to merge into ubuntu) [15:07] * mdadm isms is outstanding [15:07] * btrfs upload pending [15:08] .. [15:08] chiluk: ? [15:08] xnox: have you seen bug 1599428? [15:08] bug 1599428 in mdadm (Ubuntu) "checkarray doesn't work" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1599428 [15:09] bdmurray, yes. among others... failure to boot currently higher on my list. [15:10] xnox: okay, that sounds important. ;-) [15:10] doko: are you back today, or not until tomorrow? [15:10] first day back in Berlin (good timing, all SRU regressions already fixed ;p), catching up on email [15:10] so, nothing more [15:10] ok :) [15:10] caribou: [15:10] Bugfix: [15:10] dpkg status file corrupt [15:10] - Investigating landscape LDS [15:10] Launchpad & Public [15:10] Multiple makedumpfile bugfix [15:10] LP: #1570093 - multipath-tools sponsor [15:10] Launchpad bug 1570093 in multipath-tools (Ubuntu Xenial) "multipath-tools update introduced syslog messages about partx" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1570093 [15:11] Meetings [15:11] Paid Timeout [15:11] & I'm off for the next three weeks on vacation as of friday [15:11] ☑ Done [15:11] - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails [15:11] - RTM status meetings [15:11] - OTA-12: [15:11] * Sanity-checking all rc image contents [15:11] * Announcing and discussing the additional delay requested by the manufacturer [15:11] - Touch xenial: [15:11] Paid Timeout? [15:11] * Noticed additional missing packages in arm64 xenial builds [15:11] * Wrote a separate script checking for unbuilt binaries for arm64 [15:11] * Prepared, tested and landed silo with multiple packages rebuilt for arm64 [15:11] * Investigating further build failures in the rootfs [15:11] - Discussing OTA-13 release dates [15:11] - Looking into the KPI instrumentation PPA implementation [15:11] slangasek: PTO or whatever you wan to call it [15:11] - Prepping a bileto pre hook for address-book-app to unblock it from yakkety [15:11] - Adding missing devices to commitlog generation [15:11] - Looking into the goget-ubuntu-touch new landing [15:11] - Helping Timo in reviewing some code and proposals for moving SDK off the seeds [15:11] ah :) [15:12] - SRUing the xorg-server arm64-enablement bits we published to xenial-overlay [15:12] - Backporting recent per-device-redirect changes to the s-i testability branch [15:12] (done) [15:13] cyphermox is out [15:13] pitti has already gone [15:13] infinity is at the snappy sprint this week [15:13] snappy sprint, arm64 ISO, self-loathing, illness, snappy sprint, 16.04.1 release. [15:13] ^^ summary :) [15:13] any questons? [15:14] and 16.04.01 is out 20 minutes ago =) [15:14] yes but the website is not updated yet [15:14] infinity's reports are so uplifting [15:15] The underrated sequel to the Hunter S. Thompson classic, "snappy and self-loathing in Heidelberg" [15:15] :D [15:16] seeing no questions... [15:16] [TOPIC] AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [15:16] anything else for today? [15:16] feature freeze coming up, everybody feeling good about yakkety? [15:18] pretty good from the python side [15:18] gcc6 test rebuild looks only moderately awful compared to the baseline [15:18] a bunch of build failures still because of debhelper compat 4 being declared obsolete [15:19] hopefully we'll pick up fixes for most of those from Debian (especially for main); please stay on top of merges to make sure we pick up any fixes [15:19] [LINK] http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20160701-yakkety.html [15:19] #webops working on the website deployment [15:21] i'll take a look at the relevant main failures (we need a new dh-python in debian to fix the zope.interface one) [15:22] sorry slangasek.. nothing from me ... I've been distracted with maas 2.0 cases lately, so nothing you guys care about. [15:22] chiluk: ok :) [15:22] sounds like that covers us then for this week [15:22] oh [15:23] volunteer to run the meeting next week, since I'll be sprinting? [15:24] xnox: thanks for volunteering! [15:24] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [15:24] Meeting ended Thu Jul 21 15:24:58 2016 UTC. [15:24] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-07-21-15.02.moin.txt [15:25] thanks :) [15:25] thanks slangasek & see you in August [15:25] slangasek, &> pitti [15:26] thanks all! [15:26] thanks! [16:29] slangasek: ugh, FF already? time flies :) [16:29] slangasek: FYI, I got a name for the network YAML thing and approved config paths, so this is unblocked [16:59] #startmeeting Community Council Check-In [16:59] Meeting started Thu Jul 21 16:59:52 2016 UTC. The chair is belkinsa. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [16:59] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Community Council Check-In Meeting | Current topic: [17:00] Who is all for the meeting today? [17:00] #chair czajkowski [17:00] Current chairs: belkinsa czajkowski [17:00] aloha [17:01] Let's wait five minutes for the rest to come. [17:01] nods [17:01] We need members from the Desktop and the Developer Membership Board teams. [17:02] I'm here o/ (from the DMB) [17:02] sil2100: thank you for coming. [17:02] sil2100: thanks [17:02] But I think we were supposed to be here officially in 30 minutes [17:03] sil2100: that is true, but if none from the Desktop team come, we may have to start with you. [17:03] Agenda:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda [17:03] Should I try pinging the rest of the DMB? [17:04] Yes, please. [17:04] Community Council, could we please get a date for the next Lubuntu check-in? [17:04] tsimonq2: it's not on the list will get it amended after the meeting [17:05] thank you czajkowski :) [17:05] czajkowski: I pinged the desktop team in their channel. [17:05] nods [17:05] sil2100: any more DMB folks? [17:06] Poked them on #ubuntu-devel, but it seems everyone was waiting for 17:30 UTC [17:06] * micahg is here [17:06] o/ [17:06] #topic DMB check in === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Community Council Check-In Meeting | Current topic: DMB check in [17:06] great :) [17:06] Are you both of Desktop team? [17:06] DMB. [17:06] micahg, rbasak: thanks for popping up! [17:07] Okay, perfect. [17:07] thanks for coming folks [17:07] And thank you, czajkowski. [17:07] so micahg rbasak sil2100 how are things in the land of DMB ? [17:07] care to catch us up [17:07] So I'm new on the DMB, still learning the ropes. [17:07] we've actually had a nice stream of applicants recently [17:08] not a full agenda, but usually we have at least 1 [17:08] I feel that we're a little slow in getting stuff done for people after approvals, partly because most of us are learning the ropes, and partly because some approvals need a TB member to make them actually happen, and we have only one (very busy) overlapping person. [17:08] I'd like to do that better, but I think we will as we get the hang of things. [17:08] * belkinsa nods [17:09] I guess it happens for those more complicated applications [17:09] rbasak: do you guys discuss before hand or wait till the meeting, is thre a channel for you to discuss items ? [17:09] Since we did have a few core-dev applications that just went through smoothly, with all permissions given on the same day [17:09] Yes, the straightforward ones are pretty quick. [17:10] On another note, I feel that we barely made quorum on almost every meeting. [17:10] rbasak: is there a way to move things to email as I know it's hard to get everyone online at one time [17:10] Is it because we all have lives or is there another problem? [17:10] I apologize for this week, I actually joined the DMB meeting place a few minutes before it starting but then got preempted by life [17:10] czajkowski: we have a private channel, but don't use it much. [17:10] I know online meetings like this are useful but you can see even now it's hard to get all the CC online [17:11] sil2100: life is very complicated at times ;) [17:11] Indeed, we only have two of us here at the meeting. [17:11] I guess ;) [17:11] czajkowski: we can defer to the ML, yes. I don't think we've had to do that yet. We would have had to at the last meeting had the applicant also not forgotten to show :) [17:11] rbasak: so we in the CC have a channel we idle in and that has really helped over the last few years to get togeter catch up and leave feedback [17:11] mayeb to encouraage folks to become more idle on there? [17:12] +1 on the idle idea [17:12] * rbasak idles in there already [17:12] well, I still need to process the doodle poll results for meeting times, that should help with quorum [17:12] rbasak: yes that can be hard, we do try and reach out adn send reminders, but again life kicks in, do you email out before hand to remind people [17:12] It's much easier for me though, since I'm full time paid by Canonical to be on IRC basically. [17:12] rbasak: what's the channel name? I'm a newbie and probably missed the channel name somewhere [17:12] sil2100: #ubuntu-dmb [17:12] what has helped the CC this last few months is having our meetings in a google calendar we can subscribe to and get notifications [17:13] rbasak: could you invite me? It seems invite-only ;) [17:13] rbasak: thanks! [17:13] micahg: Are you, as a team, working on getting a better time/date to reach the quotem? [17:13] yes [17:13] sil2100: I need to figure out how to do that :) [17:13] micahg: I see. [17:13] rbasak: I'll take care of it [17:13] Thanks! [17:14] Is there anything the CC can do to help or improve with ? [17:14] czajkowski: we also have a calendar with all the meetings scheduled, and it does seem to help to some extent [17:14] sil2100: we do? :) [17:14] * rbasak has his own calendar entries [17:14] You can have one that can send out reminders to the Mailing-list when there is a meeting. Like I did for this one. [17:14] rbasak: yes! I thought I added you there, hmm [17:14] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/fridge/ [17:15] rbasak: yeah, looks like you're added there, at least your @ubuntu.com account [17:15] I proceeded as per the fridge instructions, might have messed up something but so far it worked fine for me ;p [17:16] sil2100: maybe it needs to be my @canonical.com account, as that's what Google thinks I am. But don't worry about it - I have my own entries that seem to work. We can figure out something if/when we change our times. [17:16] so in general things are going well with the DMB ? [17:16] Is there anything the CC can do to help or improve with> I can't think of anything, thanks. Unless someone else can? [17:17] my only thinking would be if you could or maybe you do and I am not seeing it annouce new members? [17:17] czajkowski: I'd say so. I'd like to do better in terms of delays for some applicants after approval, but I think we're on an improving trend [17:17] do you? [17:17] It's in our post-meeting chair checklist. I'm not sure how well it is actually getting performed (we have a rotating chair). [17:18] Perhaps we should add it as a specific meeting action. [17:20] rbasak: it would be great to see it posting to the fridge or even on planet.u.c so the ubuntu newsletter could get an update - I know pleia2 is always looking for new content [17:20] I think that would raise the profile of the DMB and applications [17:20] yeah, I'm notorious for forgetting to do that :( [17:20] czajkowski: agreed. We should do something to make sure this happens. [17:21] Maybe use Trello? [17:22] We're quite good at carrying forward meeting actions, and nominating a DMB member to handle an applicant approval, so what if we wrote up a "new approved applicant checklist" and created an actual meeting action to complete that checklist? [17:22] Trello works too if everyone is happy with that. [17:22] rbasak: fantastic :) [17:22] thanks [17:22] I think that would be great for all to see new applications and community activity. [17:22] rbasak: that also works. [17:23] Yeah, I was wondering recently what happened to that [17:23] I'll add an item to the agenda of the next meeting to decide what we want to do to solve this. [17:23] Since I remember new members being announced in the past [17:24] (done) [17:24] rbasak: thanks! [17:25] Thank you :) [17:25] is there anything else we can help with ? [17:27] I guess not. [17:27] Thank you for your time! I think it was useful to catch up with you. I appreciate it must take a while to get round every team. [17:28] And thank you for coming. [17:28] How often do such catch-ups happen for a selected team? [17:28] I think once or twice a cycle. [17:29] Ok, was just curious, thanks :) [17:29] And thank you for your time! [17:29] Not a problem. [17:29] once a cycle [17:31] #topic Desktop === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | Community Council Check-In Meeting | Current topic: Desktop [17:31] anyone here from the Desktop team ? [17:32] If not, we can reschedule the meeting. Can't we? [17:32] #chair mhall119 [17:32] Current chairs: belkinsa czajkowski mhall119 [17:34] sure [17:34] will's not online, I pinged seb128 but no reply yet [17:34] Alright, I already added it to here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda [17:35] belkinsa: need to add lubuntu also [17:35] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds: Please leave swords by the door | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [17:35] Meeting ended Thu Jul 21 17:35:52 2016 UTC. [17:35] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-07-21-16.59.moin.txt [17:35] thanks folks [17:36] Thanks everyone for coming. [17:36] czajkowski: Lubuntu is already added. [17:36] czajkowski: check-mate :D [17:38] o/ === JanC is now known as Guest9881 === JanC_ is now known as JanC