[15:00]  * slangasek waves
[15:00] <robru> o/
[15:00] <pitti> goedendag!
[15:00] <caribou> \o
[15:01] <pitti> slangasek: can I go first/early today? I'm currently in a train station, travelling back from the sprint; but I need to leave in ~ 10 min
[15:01] <slangasek> "A goedendag (also rendered godendac, godendard, godendart, and sometimes conflated with the related plançon) was a weapon originally used by the militias of Medieval Flanders in the 14th century, notably during the Franco-Flemish War."
[15:01] <slangasek> pitti: ack
[15:01] <sil2100> o/
[15:02] <slangasek> #startmeeting
[15:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jul 21 15:02:05 2016 UTC.  The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:02] <pitti> slangasek: uh, that was sarcasm at the extreme, I'd say :)
[15:02] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Lightning round
[15:03] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko bdmurray slangasek caribou infinity sil2100 robru cyphermox pitti tdaitx xnox chiluk mwhudson)
[15:03] <slangasek> robru slangasek barry bdmurray tdaitx xnox chiluk doko mwhudson caribou sil2100 cyphermox pitti infinity
[15:03] <slangasek> ... but pitti goes first
[15:03] <pitti> Mon-Wed: mini-sprint with seb128, Laney, and tedg for converting session startup from session bus/upstart to user bus/systemd; good progress, some bugs/holes found (no surprise), see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/convergence-y-replace-upstart for current status
[15:03] <robru> yay
[15:03] <pitti> lxd: debug failure on mounting the root fs (#1602192)
[15:03] <pitti> debug and propose a fix for networking restart/ssh deadlock (#1584393)
[15:03] <pitti> (done)
[15:03] <robru> lp:bileto
[15:03] <robru> * verbose britney logs for debugging purposes
[15:03] <robru> * status job is 99% done, unit tests are done, just a few rough edges to sort out and more testing needed
[15:03] <robru> lp:cupstream2distro
[15:03] <robru> * check dest archive first for supported arches before falling back on main_archive.
[15:03] <robru> (done)
[15:05] <slangasek>  * prepped for this week's snappy sprint
[15:05] <slangasek>  * ubuntu-image: we have an image that can boot to grub under UEFI; more refinement needed
[15:05] <slangasek>  * working through bug reports around the secureboot policy change in latest kernel SRUs (LP: #1604873 et al)
[15:05] <slangasek>  * mid-cycle planning
[15:05] <slangasek>  * some work on un-sticking transitions in proposed-migration; haskell almost got there, then got wedged on an unreproducible (on porter box) armhf build failure halfway up the stack
[15:05] <slangasek>  * travel swap day tomorrow; mid-cycle next week in .nl
[15:06] <slangasek> (done)
[15:06] <slangasek> barry:
[15:06] <barry> all ubuntu-image all the time
[15:06] <barry> --done--
[15:06] <bdmurray> research into how hwe support works in update-manager
[15:06] <bdmurray> forward port of hwe support to Trusty, Yakkety
[15:06] <bdmurray> ubuntu-release-upgrader bug triage
[15:06] <bdmurray> tested LP: #1603436 (python2.7 Xenial regression-update bug)
[15:06] <bdmurray> ✔ done
[15:06] <tdaitx> = OpenJDK security update
[15:06] <tdaitx> - Packaged, tested, and released OpenJDK 8 package for the security team for Xenial and Wily; a Yakkety package is also available
[15:06] <tdaitx> - Backporting security patches for OpenJDK 7 ongoing
[15:06] <tdaitx> = Merges
[15:06] <tdaitx> - isc-dhcp onhold while I worked on the security update
[15:06] <tdaitx> = Other
[15:07] <tdaitx> - Will be away today afternoon and tomorrow the whole day (finally moving to a new place)
[15:07] <tdaitx> - There's a good chance I will be working from a shared office or similar next week while I wait for an ISP technician to check service 'availability
[15:07] <tdaitx> (done)
[15:07] <slangasek> xnox:
[15:07] <xnox> * 16.04.1 iso testing, ubiquity, SRU finalisation
[15:07] <xnox> * zua - fixing apparmor/libvirt/qemu integration
[15:07] <xnox> * opencryptoki upgrade for s390x
[15:07] <xnox> * mdadm with raid fixes in debian (to fix fallout bugs & to merge into ubuntu)
[15:07] <xnox> * mdadm isms is outstanding
[15:07] <xnox> * btrfs upload pending
[15:08] <xnox> ..
[15:08] <slangasek> chiluk: ?
[15:08] <bdmurray> xnox: have you seen bug 1599428?
[15:09] <xnox> bdmurray, yes. among others... failure to boot currently higher on my list.
[15:10] <bdmurray> xnox: okay, that sounds important. ;-)
[15:10] <slangasek> doko: are you back today, or not until tomorrow?
[15:10] <doko> first day back in Berlin (good timing, all SRU regressions already fixed ;p), catching up on email
[15:10] <doko> so, nothing more
[15:10] <slangasek> ok :)
[15:10] <slangasek> caribou:
[15:10] <caribou>  Bugfix:
[15:10] <caribou>   dpkg status file corrupt
[15:10] <caribou>   - Investigating landscape LDS
[15:10] <caribou> Launchpad & Public
[15:10] <caribou>   Multiple makedumpfile bugfix
[15:10] <caribou>   LP: #1570093 - multipath-tools sponsor
[15:11] <caribou> Meetings
[15:11] <caribou>  Paid Timeout
[15:11] <caribou> & I'm off for the next three weeks on vacation as of friday
[15:11] <caribou>  ☑ Done
[15:11] <sil2100> - Landing team work, silo coordination, preparing landing e-mails
[15:11] <sil2100> - RTM status meetings
[15:11] <sil2100> - OTA-12:
[15:11] <sil2100>   * Sanity-checking all rc image contents
[15:11] <sil2100>   * Announcing and discussing the additional delay requested by the manufacturer
[15:11] <sil2100> - Touch xenial:
[15:11] <slangasek> Paid Timeout?
[15:11] <sil2100>   * Noticed additional missing packages in arm64 xenial builds
[15:11] <sil2100>   * Wrote a separate script checking for unbuilt binaries for arm64
[15:11] <sil2100>   * Prepared, tested and landed silo with multiple packages rebuilt for arm64
[15:11] <sil2100>   * Investigating further build failures in the rootfs
[15:11] <sil2100> - Discussing OTA-13 release dates
[15:11] <sil2100> - Looking into the KPI instrumentation PPA implementation
[15:11] <caribou> slangasek: PTO or whatever you wan to call it
[15:11] <sil2100> - Prepping a bileto pre hook for address-book-app to unblock it from yakkety
[15:11] <sil2100> - Adding missing devices to commitlog generation
[15:11] <sil2100> - Looking into the goget-ubuntu-touch new landing
[15:11] <sil2100> - Helping Timo in reviewing some code and proposals for moving SDK off the seeds
[15:11] <slangasek> ah :)
[15:12] <sil2100> - SRUing the xorg-server arm64-enablement bits we published to xenial-overlay
[15:12] <sil2100> - Backporting recent per-device-redirect changes to the s-i testability branch
[15:12] <sil2100> (done)
[15:13] <slangasek> cyphermox is out
[15:13] <slangasek> pitti has already gone
[15:13] <slangasek> infinity is at the snappy sprint this week
 snappy sprint, arm64 ISO, self-loathing, illness, snappy sprint, 16.04.1 release.
[15:13] <slangasek> ^^ summary :)
[15:13] <slangasek> any questons?
[15:14] <xnox> and 16.04.01 is out 20 minutes ago =)
[15:14] <slangasek> yes but the website is not updated yet
[15:14] <barry> infinity's reports are so uplifting
[15:15] <slangasek> The underrated sequel to the Hunter S. Thompson classic, "snappy and self-loathing in Heidelberg"
[15:15] <barry> :D
[15:16] <slangasek> seeing no questions...
[15:16] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:16] <slangasek> anything else for today?
[15:16] <slangasek> feature freeze coming up, everybody feeling good about yakkety?
[15:18] <barry> pretty good from the python side
[15:18] <slangasek> gcc6 test rebuild looks only moderately awful compared to the baseline
[15:18] <slangasek> a bunch of build failures still because of debhelper compat 4 being declared obsolete
[15:19] <slangasek> hopefully we'll pick up fixes for most of those from Debian (especially for main); please stay on top of merges to make sure we pick up any fixes
[15:19] <slangasek> [LINK] http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20160701-yakkety.html
[15:19] <xnox> #webops working on the website deployment
[15:21] <barry> i'll take a look at the relevant main failures (we need a new dh-python in debian to fix the zope.interface one)
[15:22] <chiluk> sorry slangasek.. nothing from me ... I've been distracted with maas 2.0 cases lately, so nothing you guys care about.
[15:22] <slangasek> chiluk: ok :)
[15:22] <slangasek> sounds like that covers us then for this week
[15:22] <slangasek> oh
[15:23] <slangasek> volunteer to run the meeting next week, since I'll be sprinting?
[15:24] <slangasek> xnox: thanks for volunteering!
[15:24] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:24] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jul 21 15:24:58 2016 UTC.
[15:24] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-07-21-15.02.moin.txt
[15:25] <slangasek> thanks :)
[15:25] <caribou> thanks slangasek & see you in August
[15:25] <xnox> slangasek, &> pitti
[15:26] <tdaitx> thanks all!
[15:26] <barry> thanks!
[16:29] <pitti> slangasek: ugh, FF already? time flies :)
[16:29] <pitti> slangasek: FYI, I got a name for the network YAML thing and approved config paths, so this is unblocked
[16:59] <belkinsa> #startmeeting Community Council Check-In
[16:59] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jul 21 16:59:52 2016 UTC.  The chair is belkinsa. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[17:00] <belkinsa> Who is all for the meeting today?
[17:00] <belkinsa> #chair czajkowski
[17:00] <meetingology> Current chairs: belkinsa czajkowski
[17:00] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:01] <belkinsa> Let's wait five minutes for the rest to come.
[17:01] <czajkowski> nods
[17:01] <belkinsa> We need members from the Desktop and the Developer Membership Board teams.
[17:02] <sil2100> I'm here o/ (from the DMB)
[17:02] <belkinsa> sil2100: thank you for coming.
[17:02] <czajkowski> sil2100: thanks
[17:02] <sil2100> But I think we were supposed to be here officially in 30 minutes
[17:03] <belkinsa> sil2100: that is true, but if none from the Desktop team come, we may have to start with you.
[17:03] <belkinsa> Agenda:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[17:03] <sil2100> Should I try pinging the rest of the DMB?
[17:04] <belkinsa> Yes, please.
[17:04] <tsimonq2> Community Council, could we please get a date for the next Lubuntu check-in?
[17:04] <czajkowski> tsimonq2: it's not on the list will get it amended after the meeting
[17:05] <tsimonq2> thank you czajkowski :)
[17:05] <belkinsa> czajkowski: I pinged the desktop team in their channel.
[17:05] <czajkowski> nods
[17:05] <czajkowski> sil2100: any more DMB folks?
[17:06] <sil2100> Poked them on #ubuntu-devel, but it seems everyone was waiting for 17:30 UTC
[17:06]  * micahg is here
[17:06] <rbasak> o/
[17:06] <czajkowski> #topic DMB check in
[17:06] <czajkowski> great :)
[17:06] <belkinsa> Are you both of Desktop team?
[17:06] <rbasak> DMB.
[17:06] <sil2100> micahg, rbasak: thanks for popping up!
[17:07] <belkinsa> Okay, perfect.
[17:07] <czajkowski> thanks for coming folks
[17:07] <belkinsa> And thank you, czajkowski.
[17:07] <czajkowski> so micahg rbasak sil2100 how are things in the land of DMB ?
[17:07] <czajkowski> care to catch us up
[17:07] <rbasak> So I'm new on the DMB, still learning the ropes.
[17:07] <micahg> we've actually had a nice stream of applicants recently
[17:08] <micahg> not a full agenda, but usually we have at least 1
[17:08] <rbasak> I feel that we're a little slow in getting stuff done for people after approvals, partly because most of us are learning the ropes, and partly because some approvals need a TB member to make them actually happen, and we have only one (very busy) overlapping person.
[17:08] <rbasak> I'd like to do that better, but I think we will as we get the hang of things.
[17:08]  * belkinsa nods
[17:09] <sil2100> I guess it happens for those more complicated applications
[17:09] <czajkowski> rbasak: do you guys discuss before hand or wait till the meeting, is thre a channel for you to discuss items ?
[17:09] <sil2100> Since we did have a few core-dev applications that just went through smoothly, with all permissions given on the same day
[17:09] <rbasak> Yes, the straightforward ones are pretty quick.
[17:10] <rbasak> On another note, I feel that we barely made quorum on almost every meeting.
[17:10] <czajkowski> rbasak: is there a way to move things to email as I know it's hard to get everyone online at one time
[17:10] <belkinsa> Is it because we all have lives or is there another problem?
[17:10] <sil2100> I apologize for this week, I actually joined the DMB meeting place a few minutes before it starting but then got preempted by life
[17:10] <rbasak> czajkowski: we have a private channel, but don't use it much.
[17:10] <czajkowski> I know online meetings like this are useful but you can see even now it's hard to get all the CC online
[17:11] <czajkowski> sil2100: life is very complicated at times ;)
[17:11] <belkinsa> Indeed, we only have two of us here at the meeting.
[17:11] <sil2100> I guess ;)
[17:11] <rbasak> czajkowski: we can defer to the ML, yes. I don't think we've had to do that yet. We would have had to at the last meeting had the applicant also not forgotten to show :)
[17:11] <czajkowski> rbasak: so we in the CC have a channel we idle in and that has really helped over the last few years to get togeter catch up and leave feedback
[17:11] <czajkowski> mayeb to encouraage folks to become more idle on there?
[17:12] <belkinsa> +1 on the idle idea
[17:12]  * rbasak idles in there already
[17:12] <micahg> well, I still need to process the doodle poll results for meeting times, that should help with quorum
[17:12] <czajkowski> rbasak: yes that can be hard, we do try and reach out adn send reminders, but again life kicks in, do you email out before hand to remind people
[17:12] <rbasak> It's much easier for me though, since I'm full time paid by Canonical to be on IRC basically.
[17:12] <sil2100> rbasak: what's the channel name? I'm a newbie and probably missed the channel name somewhere
[17:12] <rbasak> sil2100: #ubuntu-dmb
[17:12] <czajkowski> what has helped the CC this last few months is having our meetings in a google calendar we can subscribe to and get notifications
[17:13] <sil2100> rbasak: could you invite me? It seems invite-only ;)
[17:13] <sil2100> rbasak: thanks!
[17:13] <belkinsa> micahg: Are you, as a team, working on getting a better time/date to reach the quotem?
[17:13] <micahg> yes
[17:13] <rbasak> sil2100: I need to figure out how to do that :)
[17:13] <belkinsa> micahg: I see.
[17:13] <micahg> rbasak: I'll take care of it
[17:13] <rbasak> Thanks!
[17:14] <czajkowski> Is there anything the CC can do to help or improve with ?
[17:14] <sil2100> czajkowski: we also have a calendar with all the meetings scheduled, and it does seem to help to some extent
[17:14] <rbasak> sil2100: we do? :)
[17:14]  * rbasak has his own calendar entries
[17:14] <belkinsa> You can have one that can send out reminders to the Mailing-list when there is a meeting.  Like I did for this one.
[17:14] <sil2100> rbasak: yes! I thought I added you there, hmm
[17:14] <sil2100> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/fridge/
[17:15] <sil2100> rbasak: yeah, looks like you're added there, at least your @ubuntu.com account
[17:15] <sil2100> I proceeded as per the fridge instructions, might have messed up something but so far it worked fine for me ;p
[17:16] <rbasak> sil2100: maybe it needs to be my @canonical.com account, as that's what Google thinks I am. But don't worry about it - I have my own entries that seem to work. We can figure out something if/when we change our times.
[17:16] <czajkowski> so in general things are going well with the DMB ?
[17:16] <rbasak> Is there anything the CC can do to help or improve with> I can't think of anything, thanks. Unless someone else can?
[17:17] <czajkowski> my only thinking would be if you could or maybe you do and I am not seeing it annouce new members?
[17:17] <rbasak> czajkowski: I'd say so. I'd like to do better in terms of delays for some applicants after approval, but I think we're on an improving trend
[17:17] <czajkowski> do you?
[17:17] <rbasak> It's in our post-meeting chair checklist. I'm not sure how well it is actually getting performed (we have a rotating chair).
[17:18] <rbasak> Perhaps we should add it as a specific meeting action.
[17:20] <czajkowski> rbasak: it would be great to see it posting to the fridge or even on planet.u.c so the ubuntu newsletter could get an update - I know pleia2 is always looking for new content
[17:20] <czajkowski> I think that would raise the profile of the DMB and applications
[17:20] <micahg> yeah, I'm notorious for forgetting to do that :(
[17:20] <rbasak> czajkowski: agreed. We should do something to make sure this happens.
[17:21] <belkinsa> Maybe use Trello?
[17:22] <rbasak> We're quite good at carrying forward meeting actions, and nominating a DMB member to handle an applicant approval, so what if we wrote up a "new approved applicant checklist" and created an actual meeting action to complete that checklist?
[17:22] <rbasak> Trello works too if everyone is happy with that.
[17:22] <czajkowski> rbasak: fantastic :)
[17:22] <czajkowski> thanks
[17:22] <czajkowski> I think that would be great for all to see new applications and community activity.
[17:22] <belkinsa> rbasak: that also works.
[17:23] <sil2100> Yeah, I was wondering recently what happened to that
[17:23] <rbasak> I'll add an item to the agenda of the next meeting to decide what we want to do to solve this.
[17:23] <sil2100> Since I remember new members being announced in the past
[17:24] <rbasak> (done)
[17:24] <sil2100> rbasak: thanks!
[17:25] <czajkowski> Thank you :)
[17:25] <czajkowski> is there anything else we can help with ?
[17:27] <rbasak> I guess not.
[17:27] <rbasak> Thank you for your time! I think it was useful to catch up with you. I appreciate it must take a while to get round every team.
[17:28] <belkinsa> And thank you for coming.
[17:28] <sil2100> How often do such catch-ups happen for a selected team?
[17:28] <belkinsa> I think once or twice a cycle.
[17:29] <sil2100> Ok, was just curious, thanks :)
[17:29] <sil2100> And thank you for your time!
[17:29] <belkinsa> Not a problem.
[17:29] <czajkowski> once a cycle
[17:31] <czajkowski> #topic Desktop
[17:31] <czajkowski> anyone here from the Desktop team ?
[17:32] <belkinsa> If not, we can reschedule the meeting.  Can't we?
[17:32] <belkinsa> #chair mhall119
[17:32] <meetingology> Current chairs: belkinsa czajkowski mhall119
[17:34] <czajkowski> sure
[17:34] <mhall119> will's not online, I pinged seb128 but no reply yet
[17:34] <belkinsa> Alright, I already added it to here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[17:35] <czajkowski> belkinsa: need to add lubuntu also
[17:35] <czajkowski> #endmeeting
[17:35] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jul 21 17:35:52 2016 UTC.
[17:35] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2016/ubuntu-meeting.2016-07-21-16.59.moin.txt
[17:35] <czajkowski> thanks folks
[17:36] <belkinsa> Thanks everyone for coming.
[17:36] <belkinsa> czajkowski: Lubuntu is already added.
[17:36] <belkinsa> czajkowski: check-mate :D
[17:38] <sil2100> o/