[00:06] <vjacob> hi all. is there any way to check from within linux, whether or not a certain PCI(e) slot is taken or not? I've looked at /proc and at lspci but none of these seem to offer a clear output
[00:07] <nacc> vjacob: maybe lshw says?
[00:08] <vjacob> nacc, seems a nice tip, thanks, I will look into it
[00:08] <nacc> vjacob: i think slot information generally requires some help from a lower layer to actually provide that data, i doubt it's done commonly
[00:09] <nacc> vjacob: ah, dmidecode might do it
[00:10] <nacc> vjacob: the "current usage" field for each slot
[00:10] <vjacob> awesome.
[00:10] <L0> quit
[00:13] <nacc> vjacob: sorry for the misdirection on lshw
[00:13] <django_> anyone know how to install brave browser
[00:13] <vjacob> naw man, that was awesome, cheers nacc!
[00:13] <vjacob> -dmideco +dmidecode
[00:14] <nacc> django_: go to their website and follow the instructions?
[00:14] <nacc> django_: not supported here, though
[00:14] <django_> it didnt work
[00:14] <nacc> django_: then ask them?
[00:14] <vjacob> "Current Usage: Unknown". Perfect.
[00:14] <nacc> vjacob: hrm, i wonder what tha means
[00:14] <vjacob> i take it that means free
[00:15] <nacc> vjacob: i get either "In Use" or "Available"
[00:15] <vjacob> but then there is also "Current Usage: Available", so maybe not...
[00:15] <nacc> vjacob: it might imply an out of date BIOS (as I believe DMI information is basically stored in a table)
[00:15] <nacc> vjacob: could also mean a partially or mis-seated card?
[00:15] <vjacob> nacc, yeah, apparently my bios is a bit screwy according to dmesg
[00:15] <nacc> vjacob: ah ok
[00:15] <vjacob> old bugger of a system (2007/2008)
[00:32] <Bashing-om> vjacob: Old hardware, depending on the problem .. consider '  man update-usbids ; man update-pciids ' Updating the tables may help .
[00:50] <anonymous> hOla
[00:50] <Guest27838> Hola
[00:52] <fullstack> quick way to install X11 on Ubuntu Server? apt-get install x11?
[00:52] <linos__> what is the simplest way to connect linux VM to windows PC?
[00:52] <fullstack> linos__, samba and depending on your VM software might be built in
[00:53] <linos__> fullstack, I have VirtualBox
[00:53] <fullstack> is there a menu option for sharing files between machines in VirtualBox?
[00:55] <linos__> fullstack, do I need to modify my smb.conf file?
[01:03] <b-yeezi> linos__: No you shouldn't need to change smb.conf
[01:05] <b-yeezi> if you have virtualbox guest additions installed, you should be able to check a box in settings to share a folder. You can indicate which folder
[01:06] <linos__> b-yeezi, can I uninstall and reinstall samba?
[01:06] <linos__> b-yeezi, I think my smb file is screwed up
[01:07] <b-yeezi> Of course you can, but I don't know if that will fix your problem. What is the problem?
[01:07] <YankDownUnder> linos__: You can use "dpkg" to reconfigure Samba if you think you've screwed it up.
[01:07] <nacc> fullstack: probably xserver-xorg is what you're looking for (or something similar)
[01:08] <fullstack> thanks
[01:08] <nacc> fullstack: although installing X on a server makes me want to know why you need it :)
[01:09] <nacc> linos__: what are you trying to do ('connect linux vm to windows pc' is rather general -- do you mean you want remote desktop? do you want to share files?)
[01:16] <vjacob> Bashing-om, thanks for the tip, tried it, doesnt change the situation on this configuration, but it might be useful ahead
[01:19] <jeffrey_f> a bit off topic, which is why I'll ask: can someone answer a question on python and mysql-connector in a private message?
[01:21] <fullstack> the #mysql channel is pretty chatty
[01:21] <jeffrey_f> fullstack: python is too......thanks
[01:22] <dragonkin> howdiw
[01:22] <fullstack> nacc, I'm on super slow DSL and the only USB drive I had with Ubuntu installed on it was 14.04 LTS Server
[01:22] <dragonkin> trump for president
[01:22] <fullstack> nacc, and I just got a new laptop today (Ideapad 300 ) and got rid of Windows
[01:23] <fullstack> so now I am half way done installing Xwindows and Fluxbox. it also supports VMX
[01:23] <fullstack> I will install Kubernetes, VS Code, Intellij IDEA Webstorm, and node.js/angular stuff I need
[01:24] <fullstack> I need to figure out the Intel driver for X11 in a bit. Hopefully there's some automatic detection command :)
[01:24] <YankDownUnder> fullstack: Just wondering - you *do* know that you can install a complete desktop if you so desire, right? Just wondering...
[01:24] <Bashing-om> vjacob: :) Little things can be good to know .
[01:24] <fullstack> Yes I just don't have tha patience to download the USB Image for the full desktop. Like I said I'm on slow DSL, it would take over night.
[01:25] <YankDownUnder> fullstack: You don't need to download the full USB, mate...you can do an "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" kinda thingo, eh...
[01:25] <linos__> is there a reason I cannot reinstall samba?  I'm receiving error: E:Internal Error, No file name for samba:amd64
[01:25] <fullstack> YankDownUnder, that's good to know
[01:25] <fullstack> thanks
[01:27] <pilapodapostache> Can I get a hand? I installed an application called Platformio (based off Atom text editor) and I can't uninstall it. I can't find a "add remove programs" derivative a la Windows...
[01:28] <xangua> And you installed it how...?
[01:28] <pilapodapostache> I believe it was a downloaded package from their website
[01:28] <pilapodapostache> It was a while ago, I can't remember.
[01:29] <pilapodapostache> Stuff like this I'd reinstall Ubuntu but I'd like to at least keep this os for a while longer
[01:29] <pilapodapostache> Googling brings up their documentation where I type in terminal "platformio platforms uninstall PLATFORM" but my terminal doesn't recognize "platformio"
[01:30] <YankDownUnder> pilapodapostache: Is it safe to assume you've read the docs on their website as to how to remove the package - since in most instances "Installation instructions" also come with "Un-installation instructions"?
[01:31] <pilapodapostache> They also mention for uninstalling I run "pip uninstall platformio" but I don't have pip or python even installed.
[01:32] <neo_> neo
[01:32] <neo_> ls
[01:32] <neo_> waht
[01:32] <neo_> 有人吗
[01:32] <pilapodapostache> wat
[01:32] <neo_> hello
[01:33] <neo_> 皆さん、おはようございます
[01:33] <neo_> 、
[01:34] <neo_> ？
[01:34] <neo_> ping what
[01:35] <pilapodapostache> oh god. I just discovered I can go into the software center thing and go to "installed". I've never used it before. That's neat how if you install a third party application, it goes into the central package sorter-thing... :)
[01:40] <ningu> is it possible to install lvm on the boot device or do I have to have access to it from another boot device?
[01:40] <Guy1524> guys, at what time can I expect to install 16.04.1 tommorow
[01:42] <xangua> Guy1524: if your are using xenial and are up to date with security updates, you're already running it
[01:43] <thane1> hi
[01:43] <thane1> my pc crashes a lot
[01:44] <thane1> after update
[01:44] <Guy1524> xangua: how do I tell if I am up to date w/ security updates
[01:45] <Guy1524> nvm Im updating from software right now
[01:46] <ahrc333ff> Guy1524: sudo apt-get update -y && apt-get dist-upgrade -y <-- Note: the '-y' option will automatically insert 'yes' for you in response to all the questions. so, if you don't want that, don't use the -y option
[01:46] <Guy1524> ahrc333ff: ok thanks (:
[01:46] <thane1> my pc encounters a kernel oops too often, plz help
[01:47] <fullstack> how do i upgrade to kernel 4 in 14.04 LTS? is that even possible?
[01:48] <thane1> all programs crash anytime, anybody having similar issues?
[01:48] <thane1> with recent update
[01:49] <YankDownUnder> thane1: What exactly is going on? I'm not clear on what you're saying aside from "everything is crashing"?
[01:49] <thane1> my pc encounters a kernel oops too often
[01:49] <ahrc333ff> thane1: can you provide context, or an example?
[01:50] <thane1> yes
[01:50] <dave0x6d> Is there a reason why ports.ubuntu.com seems to go down so often?
[01:51] <YankDownUnder> dave0x6d: Either high traffic or DNS...
[01:51] <thane1> like firefox closes, ubuntu goes inpanic mode, crash reports are generated
[01:51] <dave0x6d> YankDownUnder: the IP didn't change and it was completely rejecting connections -=\
[01:52] <YankDownUnder> thane1: Not very specific - however, something that I would be wondering is if you've got the proper video drivers installed, and as well, if you've got all the required "third party" drivers installed...
[01:52] <thane1> yes, have a look http://ctrlv.in/807676
[01:52] <YankDownUnder> dave0x6d: If it's rejecting connections, then that tells you that the server had reached it's maximum amount of connections, hmm...
[01:53] <dave0x6d> heh, I guess.
[01:53] <YankDownUnder> thane1: That would be telling me that there is something missing - as in a driver that allows the kernel to communicate to the CPU...hmm...
[01:54] <thane1> its not that, its working fine for years
[01:55] <ahrc333ff> thane1: this isn't a specific fix, but have you made any recewnt installrs or updates?
[01:55] <ahrc333ff> it might be worth apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:56] <YankDownUnder> thane1: Let's be logical for a moment, shall we? What has been installed/changed/modified since it was "working fine" to this point where "everything is crashing"?
[01:56] <thane1> yes,which came with deault updates, thats it
[01:56] <ahrc333ff> thane1: maybe something was corrupted in that process...
[01:57] <thane1> YankDownUnder: recent update maybe
[01:57] <YankDownUnder> ahrc333ff: Sounds like a "bingo!" in that, eh....
[01:57] <ahrc333ff> YankDownUnder: maybe so :) I'm still pretty noob and just throw crap at the wall until it sticks. The fun is the journey!
[01:58] <YankDownUnder> thane1: Here's some things to quickly think about doing => 1.) In a terminal run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" => 2.) Reboot. After that, in a terminal, type: "sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall" => follow any directions, probably reboot again...
[01:58] <ahrc333ff> Oh, also add the '-f' option to fix any broken packages.
[01:58] <thane1> ahrc333ff: i think problem is with new kernel update
[01:58] <thane1> yes
[01:59] <thane1> i'll do
[02:01] <phablet> gp
[02:10] <TylerWhitney> Hi good ubuntu folks. I attempted to upgrade my server from 14.04 to 16.04 tonight and the installation failed. When I try to get things working again with the "apt-get -f dist-upgrade" command to the packages it fails on "util-linux" package with "insserv: Service mountdevsubfs has to be enabled to start service hwclock" ... while I have a backup, I figured I'd play around with this botched system as a learning experience
[02:11] <TylerWhitney> any thoughts?
[02:12] <YankDownUnder> TylerWhitney: If anything,  you might want to pose this question in the #ubuntu-server channel...I'm fairly certain you might get a better/faster response there, hmm...
[02:12] <TylerWhitney> @YankDownUnder: thanks for that suggestion, I just cross-posted it over there
[02:13] <YankDownUnder> TylerWhitney: And is it safe to assume that you've re-traced your upgrade/update again - starting from the beginning - just to make sure, hmm...?
[02:15] <TylerWhitney> YankDownUnder: do you mean re-running each command? For instance, I started with a "do-release-upgrade" which "succeeded" but with errors it stated
[02:16] <YankDownUnder> TylerWhitney: Right oh - was just confirming that, mate.
[02:17] <TylerWhitney> YankDownUnder: Yes, I went through each again, of course now it thinks its at 16.06, which technically it is, but with packages/apt in a half installed state
[02:18] <YankDownUnder> TylerWhitney: And you've also done a "sudo apt-get -f install" - just to see if that assists in repairing the installation/upgrade?
[02:19] <TylerWhitney> YankDownUnder: Yup! Tried that one too. Same error as when I tried "apt-get -f dist-upgrade"
[02:20] <YankDownUnder> TylerWhitney: Fair enough.
[02:22] <KeithWeisshar> will ubuntu 16.04.1 fix the live session bug on skylake and maxwell gpu?
[02:27] <goddard> do you ask about snappy packages here?
[02:28] <bazhang> #snappy goddard
[02:38] <Monona> I'm trying to connect to a database using MySQL Workbench and I get this error:  http://pastebin.com/TBJR62ag  Am new to MySQL and databases, so any help appreciated.
[02:38] <chasinglogic> Monona: can you show me the output of netstat -tulpn
[02:40] <Monona> chasinglogic: http://pastebin.com/cFmTXa07
[02:40] <antonio2> Hey everyone.  I'm having a hard time getting my laptop to load.  I think it's the latest version of Ubuntu.  It loads till the purple Ubuntu loading screen...then it goes blank. Here's a video I just recorded. https://youtu.be/-6hvcafJivY
[02:41] <chasinglogic> Monona looks like mysql isn't running are you on 16.04?
[02:42] <Monona> chasinglogic: 14.04
[02:43] <KeithWeisshar> do i need ubuntu 16.04.1 to prevent flickering on skylake during live session?
[02:43] <chasinglogic> Monona ok they run this: sudo service mysql start
[02:43] <chasinglogic> then*
[02:44] <Monona> chasinglogic: I get "start: Job is already running: mysql"
[02:44] <chasinglogic> antonio2: try using esc to get the grub menu and loading the older kernel or recovery mode
[02:45] <KeithWeisshar> do i need a new iso for llvmpipe bug on skylake cpu?
[02:45] <chasinglogic> Monona then it's using a unix socket and not the port. give me a moment to figure out how to fix that config
[02:45] <chasinglogic> antonio2: if none of that works esc will stop the plymouth display and give you the systemd output which could provide additional info
[02:46] <chasinglogic> (plymouth is the Ubuntu logo with the dots you see while booting)
[02:46] <antonio2> Chasinglogic: it got me to the menu...trying a normal resume now
[02:47] <chasinglogic> Monona https://dev.mysql.com/doc/workbench/en/wb-mysql-connections-methods-socket.html
[02:47] <chasinglogic> ^ That should get you going with workbench using the unix socket
[02:48] <ningu> can I install ubuntu server on a machine where I have root access to it via netboot, but can't boot into the installer?
[02:48] <Guest90834> some idiot told me to use sudo rm -R /tmp/. I know shouldn't have listend to him. Is there a way to fix it?
[02:49] <Ben64> Guest90834: reboot
[02:49] <Monona> chasinglogic: Great, that seems to work.  What's the difference between using a socket and the port?
[02:49] <Guest90834> how do I restore my tmp folder?
[02:50] <Guest90834> Ben64: I did reboot it gives me an error: call to lnusertemp failed (temporary directories full) check your installation :(
[02:51] <Guest90834> the guy lied and i didn't know better
[02:51] <Ben64> what gives you the error
[02:51] <Guest90834> logging in
[02:51] <Guest90834> when I try to log in it gives me the error in a little window in the upper right corner
[02:51] <Ben64> use recovery mode or a console to do "sudo mkdir /tmp"
[02:52] <Guest90834> Ben64: I tried to recreate but it doesn't fix it
[02:52] <Ben64> did you create the directory
[02:52] <Guest90834> I used sudo rm -R /tmp/
[02:53] <Guest90834> went into tty and typed mkdir /tmp
[02:53] <antonio2> Chasinglogic: I'm now at the recovery menu. What should I try?  Resume normal didn't work.
[02:53] <chasinglogic> Monona a unix socket is essentially a file that can "simulate" (for lack of a better word) network communication, it's only available locally. A port can be used over a network
[02:53] <chasinglogic> antonio2 an older kernel didn't work?
[02:53] <Ben64> Guest90834: and... did it make the directory
[02:54] <Monona> chasinglogic: Got it, thanks.  I'm going to be using this locally, so that's cool.
[02:55] <Guest90834> Ben64: yes it did
[02:55] <Ben64> Guest90834: now reboot
[02:55] <Guest90834> Ben64: It did. I see the /tmp folder but it still gives me the same error
[02:56] <Guest90834> check installation
[02:56] <Ben64> then its not a problem with /tmp
[02:56] <Guest90834> when I try to log in. I'm on a second pc now
[02:56] <Ben64> for fun, what is the output of "ls -ld /tmp"
[02:57] <Guest90834> call to lnusertemp failed (temporary directories full) check your installation
[02:57] <antonio2> Chasinglogic: should I try using an older kernel?
[02:58] <chasinglogic> antonio2 if it's available
[02:58] <chasinglogic> that's just my first guess but if you ran updates and it stopped like you said in your video that's my gut reatcion
[02:59] <Guest90834> Ben64: still there can you help or not?
[03:00] <Guest90834> Ben64: drwxr-xr-x-4 root root 4096 "date" /tmp
[03:00] <Ben64> Guest90834: depends if you post what i asked for
[03:00] <Guest90834> I had to write it down first sorry
[03:01] <khizar> hi
[03:01] <Ben64> sudo chmod 777 /tmp
[03:01] <Guest90834> ok wait
[03:01] <Guest90834> pls
[03:02] <khizar> how to install softether client in ubuntu
[03:02] <Guest90834> ok i'm restarting now
[03:02] <Guest90834> hoping
[03:04] <antonio2> Chasinglogic: it should be available with the options for recovery, right?
[03:04] <chasinglogic> yeah
[03:04] <chasinglogic> if you don't see one then your kernel didn't get upgraded so it's not that
[03:04] <khizar> how to install softether client in ubuntu plz tell me
[03:04] <Guest90834> Ben64: thank you you are a god. it worked. you saved my day. at least one good person out there. the other person lied to me
[03:04] <rypervenche> Guest90834: You should do: sudo chmod 1777 /tmp
[03:04] <Ben64> Guest90834: be more careful with sudo
[03:05] <antonio2> Chasinglogic: 87-generic, 86-generic, etc?
[03:05] <rypervenche> Guest90834: Do that now. No need to restart.
[03:05] <Guest90834> why now 1777?
[03:05] <rypervenche> Guest90834: It puts the sticky bit back on /tmp
[03:05] <Guest90834> i did sudo chmod 777 /tmp
[03:05] <chasinglogic> Yeah it will be beneath the default option and before the recovery options
[03:06] <salohost> Hello, guys. Is it safe to install random deb package if i do not plan to run it as root?
[03:06] <rypervenche> Guest90834: The sticky bit doesn't let other users delete your files. It's set that way on all distros.
[03:06] <Guest90834> okay the same thing as before just with 1777?
[03:06] <rypervenche> Yep.
[03:06] <Guest90834> i'll be more careful with sudo
[03:07] <Ben64> especially with recursive and deleting stuff
[03:07] <Guest90834> okay I did this now. I better do a restart
[03:08] <rypervenche> Guest90834: No need to restart after the second command.
[03:09] <Guest90834> rypervenche: I still want to see just for me
[03:09] <rypervenche> All righty.
[03:10] <Guest90834> okay I believed him cuz it's just the /tmp you know temporary folder. and I thought it would be recreated
[03:11] <Guest90834> but thx guys. he just wanted to ruin my day and have a good laughter out of it
[03:11] <rypervenche> Guest90834: Nope, but it's just a normal folder with 1777 permissions on it, usually. Sometimes it's in RAM.
[03:11] <Ben64> maybe he said /tmp/*
[03:11] <rypervenche> Guest90834: Yeah, he could have just been mistaken.
[03:12] <Ben64> still weird to do
[03:12] <Guest90834> Ben64: No I asked how to unblock a person from skype. and i was already wondering why something like this would end up there. well I was naiv
[03:12] <Monona> I don't seem to have access to the import wizard in MySQL workbench.
[03:13] <Guest90834> But you guys saved me thx so much. will be more sceptical about sudo commands in the future
[03:13] <Guest90834> I owe you one
[03:18] <antonio2> Chasinglogic: which one should I choose?  http://imgur.com/DnnpndE
[03:18] <antonio2> Whoops..wrong picture
[03:18] <chasinglogic> antonio2 lol
[03:20] <m5w> guest-VcEFUS: So, I tried installing the nvidia driver with Additional Drivers, and I installed bumblebee* nvidia-prime. Fortunately, I can suspend and logout with no issues. However, whenever I try to use optirun, I get the message that it can't access secondary GPU. I looked on the wiki, and it said to add a BusID line to the xorg.conf.nvidia, but the line was already present with the correct value
[03:20] <m5w> ("PCI:04:00:0")
[03:20] <m5w> but hey, better than X crashing all the time...
[03:20] <antonio2> Chasinglogic: here http://i.imgur.com/P0cZ8AT.jpg
[03:20] <chasinglogic> 3rd one down 3.13.0-86-generic
[03:20] <KeithWeisshar> why is system76 selling pc with ubuntu 16.04.1 even though the .1 release is not released yet
[03:21] <chasinglogic> antonio2
[03:21] <KeithWeisshar> why is system76 advertising ubuntu 16.04.1 lts even though the .1 is not released until tomorrow?
[03:21] <antonio2> Chasinglogic what's up?
[03:22] <chasinglogic> antonio2: 3rd one down 3.13.0-86-generic
[03:22] <chasinglogic> sorry my brain is shutting down
[03:22] <chasinglogic> it's getting late here
[03:22] <antonio2> Haha
[03:23] <antonio2> I've tried that one.  Does the same thing.  Goes to the Ubuntu purple screen...with the 5 "status" lights...and then nothing.
[03:24] <chasinglogic> try the 85 one then just to satisfy my sick curiosity then, and if that doesn't work then I'm wrong and I'll need the systemd output
[03:24] <antonio2> There is no 85 one.  87 86 79
[03:27] <virtuosoj> Any gtk themes that are particularly well integrated to Unity? 16.04
[03:27] <chasinglogic> antonio2 79 then
[03:27] <BlueProtoman> I'm using Ubuntu 16.04, with an Intel HD Graphics 5000 and a nVidia GeForce 520M tied together with Optimus.  How do I ensure that my nVidia chip is being used?
[03:27] <chasinglogic> virtuosoj numix almost always looks good
[03:28] <chasinglogic> BlueProtoman https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee <- this will have the info you need. I unfortunately don't know a ton about it since I've never used it myself
[03:29] <ibrumfield> BlueProtoman, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics
[03:30] <antonio2> Chasinglogic nothing.
[03:30] <chasinglogic> sad panda is sad
[03:31] <antonio2> Yes...sad panda
[03:31] <chasinglogic> antonio2 boot the original then (the top one) and get the systemd output (you can do this by pressing esc after getting past the grub menu) if you record a video of it that would be optimal. Unfortunately it's past my bedtime so I won't be able to look at it tonight
[03:32] <antonio2> Doing it right now
[03:34] <BlueProtoman> I'm trying to use Bumblebee on Ubuntu 16.04, with a nVidia GeForce 520M and Intel HD 5000, but when I run "optirun glxinfo" I get the error "Cannot access secondary GPU - error: Could not load GPU driver".  Any tips?
[03:36] <Guy1524> BlueProtoman: I know this is stupid, but are you sure you have the driver installed
[03:36] <BlueProtoman> Guy1524: 99% sure, but just to be safe how can I check?
[03:37] <Guy1524> apt search nvidia-*
[03:37] <Guy1524> and see if any are installed
[03:37] <Guy1524> or see if you have the nvidia xserver settings application
[03:37] <Guy1524> that usually comes w/ the drivers
[03:38] <Guy1524> or go into additional drivers gui and see if you have them installed there
[03:38] <BlueProtoman> Guy1524: Yes, I have it.
[03:38] <Guy1524> ok, well im not sure whats wrong then ):
[03:40] <antonio22> Chasinglogic: here you go for later https://youtu.be/foANSNKwi9w
[03:41] <Guest90896> well I actually wanted to know were do I unblock people on skype? on linux skype
[03:42] <Guest90896> if there is a way to unblock them I know you can do it on windows. but they are 2 different skype's
[03:43] <Guest90896> I cannot find the option to do this
[03:44] <antonio22> I can't seem to get ubuntu to load up to the desktop.  It stops at the Plymouth screen.  Here is the systemd output.   https://youtu.be/foANSNKwi9w
[03:46] <chasinglogic> antonio2 you're on 14.04 so it's SysV init (my fault I thought you were on 16.04 for some reason) based on what I saw it's boiled down to X11 not starting right, when it gets to the black screen try pressing ctrl+alt+F(try a couple of the Fkeys) and see if you get a text log in prompt, if not then you'll need a Live CD to troubleshoot further. Ok I'm for real gone this time.
[03:48] <antonio222> Thanks :)
[03:49] <antonio222> Can anyone help where Chasinglogic left off?
[03:51] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: Without me having to read heaps up in the logs, what is the issue you're having, mate?
[03:53] <antonio222> Yankdownunder ubuntu loads to the purple screen...then goes black
[03:54] <antonio222> Yankdownunder: this is my message earlier with a screen shot of the systemd output
[03:54] <antonio222> (antonio22) I can't seem to get ubuntu to load up to the desktop.  It stops at the Plymouth screen.  Here is the systemd output.   https://youtu.be/foANSNKwi9w
[03:55] <antonio222> This was chasinglogics last reply to me " (chasinglogic) antonio2 you're on 14.04 so it's SysV init (my fault I thought you were on 16.04 for some reason) based on what I saw it's boiled down to X11 not starting right, when it gets to the black screen try pressing ctrl+alt+F(try a couple of the Fkeys) and see if you get a text log in prompt, if not then you'll need a Live CD to troubleshoot further. Ok I'm for real gone this tim
[03:55] <EvilEpoch> Greetings to all, I am The EvilEpoch
[03:56] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: What was installed/updated/changed since you last booted properly?
[03:56] <Guest90896> antonio222: :(
[03:57] <EvilEpoch> The EvilEpoch wants to know if there is a tool which lets me split my screen? The EvilEpoch has a widescreen display and a tool exists under windows provided by LG but none for the Linux
[03:58] <bayman> how do i check all services enabled to start automatically at boot on 16.04?
[03:58] <antonio222> Yankdownunder: I don't think anything was installed.  Work fine yesterday.  Broken today.
[03:59] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: Something to consider - this being a laptop - have you thought to go through all of the BIOS settings - just to make sure that the CMOS/BIOS settings are not corrupt - sometimes batteries (CMOS batteries) tend to freak things out when they're dying...and as well, is there anything plugged in whilst you're booting that should not be plugged in?
[04:01] <madsa> bayman, you can look in /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants
[04:01] <madsa> anything symlinked there will start on boot
[04:01] <madsa> there's probably a better way though...
[04:03] <antonio222> Yankdownunder: nada
[04:05] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: Therefore, firstly, power off the machine, and carefully look through your BIOS. Secondly, when you boot up, hit "Esc" so that you see the initial Ubuntu boot menu...see if you're booting into the correct kernel...thirdly, if things continue to "hose up", then there is a rescue that can be done, eh? Hmm.
[04:06] <antonio222> Argh
[04:06] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: Patience and process.
[04:06] <ubuntulala> is there a way to put the desktop install into text mode like the server installer so i can partition my software raid properly?
[04:11] <antonio222> Yankdownunder how can I check in bios for cmos errors?
[04:11] <YankDownUnder> ubuntulala: Why not use the LiveUSB to do the partitioning, and then do the installation after that - or, as well, during the installation you're given the option to manually partition drives...hmm?
[04:11] <ubuntulala> i can't see a way to set up software raid with LiveUSB
[04:12] <ubuntulala> when you install server in manual mode it gives the raid option, i don't see that anywhere in desktop install
[04:12] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: Mate, I don't know your machine - YOU should know your machine - check all the settings - make sure they're proper - when you're happy with that, obviously, save the settings and test booting into your system If that fails, then reboot, and hit "Esc" so that you see the actual Ubuntu boot menu (grub2) - and make sure you're booting into the right kernel...
[04:12] <ubuntulala> the desktop manual mode is crippled, it doesn't have the raid option
[04:13] <ubuntulala> maybe i just have to install server and add desktop manually
[04:13] <antonio222> Yankdownunder how can I make sure its loading the right kernel?
[04:14] <antonio222> The one at the top is 3.13.0-7-87-generic
[04:14] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: If anything, there would be several different kernel versions listed.
[04:14] <YankDownUnder> 3.13? Mmm...
[04:15] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: So you've tried booting again and it did the same - it hung - or are you going to try that now?
[04:15] <cburke_> hey ! i have an emulator that outputs video
[04:15] <cburke_> and i want to pick said video back up
[04:15] <cburke_> preferably in python. what's the straightforward way to do this?
[04:16] <cygnux> het
[04:16] <cygnux> hey
[04:16] <cburke_> it outputs right to an avi file. should i repeatedly read it and check for new frames?
[04:16] <cburke_> if this is not the place for such a question, sorry, where is?
[04:16] <YankDownUnder> cburke_: Patience.
[04:16] <bayman> how to see all apt packages installed?
[04:16] <antonio222> Yankdownunder222 IV
[04:17] <cburke_> YankDownUnder, OK
[04:17] <antonio222> Yankdownunder I've tried numerous ones from that screen.  None are working. Chasinglogic said it looks like x11 isn't starting up properly
[04:18] <madsa> bayman, run dpkg -l
[04:18] <cburke_> YankDownUnder, I do not know IRC etiquette. Last time I was on an IRC channel I trolled until I was b&
[04:18] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: If "X" is not starting properly, try this...let the system boot to where it appears to be "hung"...then hit "CTRL+ALT+F1" - see if that takes you to a console login...hmm?
[04:19] <bayman> how to check available packages from my distro?
[04:19] <antonio222> It does take me to a text login.  Tried that earlier
[04:19] <YankDownUnder> cburke_: The "idea" is to state  your issue, then, well, wait.
[04:19] <cburke_> YankDownUnder, OK, what am I waiting for? Is there a 'bump' on irc?
[04:20] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: Right...so it DOES take you to a text...right...well, what would be the presumably best thing to do then - is to "login" at the console...can you do that now?
[04:23] <antonio222> Yankdownunder: here's what happens https://youtu.be/aF_j4f5eT28
[04:23] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: ARgh...I don't want to watch videos, bro...I *am* taking the time to try to help...please, just login if you can, hmm?
[04:23] <antonio222> How do I login?
[04:24] <antonio222> With my ubuntu login?
[04:24] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: When you're at the "console" login, yes, your Ubuntu login stuff...
[04:25] <antonio222> Telling me login is incorrect.  I haven't changed my password in 2 years
[04:25] <cburke_> antonio222, is there a prompt that lets you log in or is it just spamming that message about disks over and over?
[04:26] <cburke_> antonio222, audio quality is very difficult to hear what you're saying, btw
[04:26] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: And you're using your proper username, proper password, hmm?
[04:26] <antonio222> If I hit enter it goes to Pam-laptop login:
[04:27] <antonio222> If I don't type for a while they asking for cache data failed message pops up
[04:27] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: The system requires a username and a password. Unless you know the "root" login password...
[04:28] <antonio222> My account is the main account.  I use my password anytime I need to use sudo in terminal
[04:28] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: Read through this, please: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
[04:30] <hasegawa> ny２０００２０２０２
[04:32] <antonio222> Yankdownunder doing that now
[04:35] <antonio222> Yankdownunder: went through all of that.  What was that suppose
[04:35] <antonio222> To do*
[04:36] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: To rescue your system - which, I would have assume, after reading, you would have tried...hmm...
[04:37] <antonio222> I've already gone I to
[04:37] <antonio222> I've already gone into recovery mode...nit sure what to do
[04:38] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: Ok, you're not really telling me heaps...I am blind, so if you don't tell me exactly what you're doing, or where you're at, I can't really "see". Hmm. So, that being said, please do tell...
[04:39] <antonio222> Im in the recovery mode...rescue, clean, dip, etc.
[04:39] <antonio222> Where do I need to go from here?
[04:41] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: are those commands, or choices?
[04:41] <antonio222> Choices
[04:41] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: Choose rescue.
[04:42] <antonio222> Damn...I meant resume...not rescue...eyes suck now
[04:43] <antonio222> Resume, clean, dip, failsafex, Fuck, grub, network
[04:43] <antonio222> Root and system summary
[04:43] <YankDownUnder> fsck
[04:43] <antonio222> K
[04:45] <antonio222> .2% non contiguous...35605717/37475840 blocks....
[04:45] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: Let it run. Go make a coffee/tea/drink...
[04:46] <antonio222> It already finished...didn't say anything
[04:48] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: Did you have to type in the command, or did it run the command for you...?
[04:48] <antonio222> It ran it for me
[04:48] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: Right. Now try "failsafe"
[04:50] <antonio222> "Running in low graphics mode...your screen, gfx card and input device settings could not be detected properly.  You will need to configure these yourself..."
[04:51] <YankDownUnder> Doesn't matter - just get logged in...most important...
[04:51] <antonio222> 4 options...run in low gfx for just this one session...reconfigure graphics...troubleshoot the error...exit to console login...
[04:52] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: Do you know what graphics driver you use? If so, then do the "reconfigure graphics", hmm...
[04:55] <antonio222> Wtf!  It won't let me change the options
[04:56] <YankDownUnder> Then just continue in low graphics mode...get to the desktop.
[04:56] <antonio222> Trying that...thanks so far
[04:57] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: You're welcome...
[04:58] <antonio222> Just saying stand by while the display starts...
[04:59] <antonio222> If I click on ok it takes me back to the recovery menu
[04:59] <delta__> hi
[04:59] <delta__> ...
[05:01] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: So we can deduce at least two things from this - right now - your "display manager" - i.e., "lightdm" is malfunctioning - and your graphics drivers are malfunctioning...that much we know right now...
[05:01] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: So, what would be the best thing to do is to get back to the recovery console...hmm?
[05:03] <antonio222> Argh
[05:03] <antonio222> The only option is troubleshoot
[05:05] <antonio222> Yankdownunder Im completely at a loss for what i can do next
[05:05] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: Are you back at the console?
[05:06] <antonio222> Yep
[05:06] <YankDownUnder> can you type: "apt-get update" and tell me what happens?
[05:06] <antonio222> Should I drop to root shell prompt?
[05:06] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: Yes.
[05:07] <antonio222> Trying to enable networking
[05:08] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: Right...so do your networking stuff...then repeat...
 couldn't find support for device at Sys/devices/pci etc etc...
[05:10] <antonio222> Not supoorted by any plugin
[05:12] <antonio222> Yankdownunder
[05:12] <antonio222> Yankdownunder (antonio222) <Warn> couldn't find support for device at Sys/devices/pci etc etc... (antonio222) Not supoorted by any plugin
[05:12] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: Lovely. Right oh. This is turning into something painful. And you're absolutely sure that NOTHING was changed in between the time it worked last, and the time you encountered this error...?
[05:13] <antonio222> Nope.  My gf turned it off last night like normal.
[05:13] <antonio222> She never installs shut
[05:13] <antonio222> Shit*
[05:14] <ahrc333ff> This is usually when my desire to learn how to fix something is outweighed by my impatience and reinstall. ^_^ lol
[05:14] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: Right. Well, since you've done an "fsck" on the system, please, let's try this. Power the machine off. OFF. For at least 15 seconds. Power the machine on again. Proceed as though it was going to "act normal", hmm? Let's see if the "fsck" actually did anytihng - sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't...
[05:17] <antonio222> Nada :(
[05:18] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: So it's just sitting there, right? Just at the point of hanging, right?
[05:19] <antonio222> Yep
[05:19] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: Hit "CTRL+ALT+F1" - and try to login, please.
[05:20] <antonio222> My laptop name is Pam-laptop.  When it says login: do I type that?
[05:20] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: You don't know the username? That's not good...
[05:21] <antonio222> Hahahaha
[05:21] <antonio222> Im in root now
[05:21] <ahrc333ff> The username can be found. The password on the other hand... if you don't know the username, hard to know the password. lol
[05:22] <antonio222> Im at Pam@pam-laptop:~$
[05:22] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: Right - so you're logged in as root...
[05:23] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: SO, please type: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt autoremove && apt autoclean
[05:24] <antonio222> Do I need a connection?
[05:25] <ahrc333ff> Those are commands that require internet connection.
[05:25] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: Are you  asking, or are you doing?
[05:25] <antonio222> I have no connection.  Im in root.
[05:26] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: Lack of communication increases the amount of energy necessary to accomplish a simple task.
[05:26] <ahrc333ff> is it physically connected to a network?
[05:28] <antonio222> Yes its connected via etherner
[05:28] <ahrc333ff> ping -c 2 google.com
[05:28] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: Yes...ping something...
[05:28] <ahrc333ff> then you have a connectoin
[05:29] <ahrc333ff> echo "Testing" || nc termbin.com 9999
[05:29] <antonio222> Haha...wasn't fully plugged in
[05:30] <ahrc333ff> 7 layer OSI model starts with the plug :)
[05:30] <antonio222> It updated most of them
[05:31] <antonio222> Should I try restarting now?
[05:31] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: ARe all the updates done? Everything is done? Yes?
[05:32] <antonio222> Methinks
[05:32] <ahrc333ff> if you did hte apt-get update and lots of lines went by without giving errors, it should be. lol
[05:33] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: If it all appears DONE, what you can type is merely "reboot" -> when that's done, let's see how far it gets...
[05:33] <antonio222> Fingers crossed
[05:35] <antonio222> I think its working...
[05:35] <antonio222> Yeah!
[05:35] <antonio222> Thanks so much
[05:36] <antonio222> Oh damn...only 19.7mb of free space...haha
[05:36] <ahrc333ff> 19.7 mb of free space? haha. that might cause problems.
[05:36] <cfhowlett> ahrc333ff, have you removed old kernels?
[05:37] <antonio222> Haha...no kidding
[05:37] <ahrc333ff> cfhowlett: thx, but antonio222 is the one having the trouble. i was just commenting :)
[05:37] <cfhowlett> ahrc333ff, ah!  sorry. mis-nicked you there.
[05:37] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: If it all works, then you're all set, you're a hero to your girlfriend - and you can buy me 1 litre of quality coconut water. Hmm.
[05:37] <abhinav> hi
[05:37] <antonio222> Buahahahahaha
[05:38] <cfhowlett> antonio222, remove older kernels??
[05:38] <antonio222> You Dont want coconut water from here...its shipped in from Vietnam ;)
[05:39] <abhinav> hi
[05:39] <YankDownUnder> antonio222: as long as I don't have to leave the house, I don't care where it's from, really.
[05:39] <abhinav> why all unity scopes / lenses want to connec to Internet?
[05:39] <YankDownUnder> abhinav: Because they're based on "web" applications.
[05:40] <cfhowlett> abhinav, because you authorized it.  turn it off.
[05:40] <YankDownUnder> Right oh...since there ain't no coconut water, it's coffee time. Have a lovely arvo, antonio222
[05:43] <abhinav> cfhowlett: thats too much NSA like talking. I did not authorize any of my apps to connect to internet except firefox and irssi.
[05:43] <abhinav> YankDownUnder: Please explain how is Shotwell a web application
[05:43] <abhinav> and others in that list
[05:44] <cfhowlett> abhinav, actually, if you check your system settings, you will find that you, in fact, authorized internet access of scopes.  the cure?  1.  go back to system privacy settings and disable  or 2. do not use unity.  installing an alternate desktop environment without scopes is so easy a caveman could do it.
[05:50] <neil_> I installed the 'mate-desktop' but I don't get a graphical login... how do I fix that?
[05:50] <cfhowlett> neil_, how exactly did you install the mate-desktop?
[05:51] <cfhowlett> !mate > cfhowlett
[05:53] <abhinav> cfhowlett: thats too much NSA like talking. I did not authorize any of my apps to connect to internet except firefox and irssi.
[05:53] <abhinav> YankDownUnder: Please explain how is Shotwell a web application
[05:55] <cfhowlett> abhinav, actually, if you check your system settings, you will find that you, in fact, authorized internet access of scopes.  the cure?  1.  go back to system privacy settings and disable  or 2. do not use unity.  installing an alternate desktop environment without scopes is so easy a caveman could do it.
[05:55] <abhinav> cfhowlett: how will caveman install it without electricity and internet?
[05:55] <abhinav> cfhowlett: all these are default settings. not done by me.
[05:55] <cfhowlett> abhinav, see the cure?  try the cure.
[05:56] <neil_> cfhowlett, I installed by ppa http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mate-dev/xenial-mate/ubuntu and installed it on a basic server installation.
[05:58] <cfhowlett> neil_, what version of ubuntu do you hav?
[05:58] <neil_> cfhowlett, 16.04
[05:58] <cfhowlett> neil_, huh.
[05:59] <bizolos> Hi there. Does someone know how to downgrade Mysql server to 5.5 on Ubuntu Xenial?
[06:00] <cfhowlett> bizolos, might ask #ubuntuserver channel
[06:00] <bizolos> cfhowlett, thanks
[06:00] <cfhowlett> neil_, the mate wiki doesn't show install instructions for 16.04 --- not certain that the install method you used is the best practice.
[06:02] <YankDownUnder> neil_: After the installation, did you try simply "startx" ?
[06:03] <neil_> YankDownUnder, yes I did... nothing happened
[06:03] <YankDownUnder> neil_: Ok...did you install a "display manager" yet? Like LightDM or SDDM or anything else?
[06:05] <neil_> YankDownUnder, not explicately... I was wondering if I needed to do that.
[06:05] <YankDownUnder> neil_: Yersh...a good thing to do...
[06:06] <YankDownUnder> neil_: apt-get install lightdm
[06:09] <neil_> YankDownUnder, that sure wants to install a lot of extras
[06:12] <cfhowlett> neil_, you might prefer the ubuntu-mate-core   only rather than the full desktop package
[06:13] <neil_> cfhowlett, ok ... I might have to restart the installation.. I will see.
[06:23] <slingamn> when does 16.04.1 come out?
[06:25] <YankDownUnder> slingamn: Er...today.
[06:25] <slingamn> do you know what time? i'm wondering if i can start the LTS upgrade process now
[06:27] <YankDownUnder> slingamn: I'm in Australia. No - I have no idea what time - however, it has been suggested that if you've already been daily updating, it's a done deal...but that doesn't help you, does it? As such is the statistics of the situation, if you wait 24 to 36 hours, well, you should have no issues...but that's all your choice, your option.
[06:28] <slingamn> legit, thanks
[06:28] <YankDownUnder> slingamn: All good.
[06:31] <indie__> any suggestion on xml editor
[06:32] <indie__> any one on
[06:35] <YankDownUnder> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/natty/xmlcopyeditor/
[06:44] <somali> hello anybody there?
[06:45] <somali> o no,why are you do'not speak
[06:45] <somali> come on , i want to talk to someone
[06:46] <Ben64> this is the support channel
[06:46] <cfhowlett> somali, ask your ubuntu questions
[06:46] <xdxd> what can i help ?
[06:47] <somali> no question ,just for testing^_^
[06:47] <somali> thank you
[06:47] <cfhowlett> somali, please stop.  test elsewhere
[06:47] <cfhowlett> !test
[06:48] <cfhowlett> !testing | cfhowlett
[06:48] <somali>   ok  this is my first time to use mate ,i just try everything.
[06:48] <somali> sorry for testing
[06:48] <cfhowlett> somali, welcome to ubuntu.  no worries.
[06:49] <cfhowlett> somali, there actually is a more general chat channel at #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:49] <somali> it is make me happy to use mate , i only have a quetion ,  can i make it on my real pc
[06:50] <cfhowlett> somali, errr. how are you using it now if not on PC?
[06:50] <somali> my english is not so well ,you konw ,i play it on virtual machine.
[06:51] <cfhowlett> somali, nice!
[06:51] <cfhowlett> somali, how much RAM memory do you have??
[06:51] <somali> :)
[06:51] <somali> 8G
[06:51] <cfhowlett> mate should be quite happy with 8gb
[06:51] <urand0m> how do i get php7 in my repos?
[06:52] <orlock> RAM memory?
[06:52]  * orlock twitches
[06:53] <somali> what i warrid about is the support of drivers,i scared that if i work mate on my real machine there will be no run where
[06:53] <somali> not be running well
[06:54] <cfhowlett> somali, what drivers worry you?
[06:54] <cfhowlett> that is, what are your system specs?
[06:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> http://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/how-to/official-stock-firmware-update-odin-t3335065
[06:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> I am following this
[06:55] <somali> graphic card
[06:55] <ToAruShiroiNeko> woops wrong place
[06:55] <somali> it can support it well ?
[06:56] <cfhowlett> somali, intel GPU is well supported, Nvidia pretty good, AMD improving.  easy test for you: create an ubuntu USB and boot it to test things.
[06:57] <somali> yeah ,i
[06:57] <somali> know it,thank you very much
[06:58] <somali> you nice man
[07:00] <cfhowlett> happy2help!
[07:02] <Dead_Office> Hi, I receive an odp template for LibreOffice from the CEO of the company that I work on. I have been trying to enable spellcheck on this particular template but I couldn't. Can I anyone help me with that ?
[07:02] <Dead_Office> received *
[07:02] <cfhowlett> Dead_Office, check with the libreoffice team for that kind of specific issue
[07:02] <Dead_Office> Thanks will do
[07:04] <frudo> hi
[07:05] <frudo> recently i faced issu regarding disk space and df -h says disk is full but when i identify its not ..
[07:05] <orlock> frudo: how much is left? also, try df -i
[07:05] <cfhowlett> frudo, df -h | pastebinit here please
[07:05] <frudo> http://pastebin.com/4bYWPVv3
[07:06] <frudo> df -i shows here "/dev/xvda1      524288 64011  460277   13% /"
[07:06] <cfhowlett> frudo, line 5  100%
[07:06] <frudo> yes
[07:07] <frudo> cfhowlett: you can also 3) number du -sh /*
[07:08] <cfhowlett> frudo, what were you doing to trigger "out of space" error?
[07:09] <frudo> still hanged..
[07:09] <cfhowlett> frudo, have you cleaned out old kernels?
[07:09] <Triffid_Hunter> frudo: what's "identify" ?
[07:10] <frudo> no i didn't do anything after launch this mahchine
[07:11] <Triffid_Hunter> frudo: why is your root partition only 8GB? seems rather skinny..
[07:11] <frudo> yeh i know but data not stored in /
[07:12] <cfhowlett> frudo, just for fun: sudo apt-get autoremove
[07:12] <Triffid_Hunter> frudo: base operating system can easily exceed 8GB when you've got graphical stuff installed
[07:13] <frudo> this ubuntu server can't access gui mode
[07:13] <cfhowlett> it's a server.  servers don't need gui!  (strokes neckbeard sagely ...)
[07:13] <EriC^^> frudo: try also du -sh /var/log
[07:14] <ugur> Hi I created a new user but I cannot connect over ssh using that account. It says Permission Denied (Public Key)
[07:14] <Triffid_Hunter> frudo: sudo du -csxh /* and start finding what's eating all your space
[07:14] <EriC^^> ugur: you don't get a password prompt?
[07:15] <ugur> No
[07:15] <EriC^^> ugur: put your ssh public key in his ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
[07:16] <frudo> du -csxh /*
[07:16] <frudo> ohh
[07:16] <ugur> I don't want to use a public key but just plain password authentication
[07:16] <mcphail> frudo: remember there may be around 10% of space reserved for root disaster recovery, and a finite number of inodes (so lots of tiny files can use them up whilst there is still physical space on the disk)
[07:16] <ugur> I can connect using a key no problem there
[07:16] <EriC^^> ugur: sudo nano /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[07:16] <EriC^^> put the passwordauthentication to yes
[07:16] <frudo> i restart that machine its 5.6 gb avialable ..strange
[07:17] <frudo> i the hell was stored
[07:17] <falisergio> join #ubuntu-es
[07:17] <EriC^^> ugur: then sudo service ssh restart
[07:17] <EriC^^> frudo: maybe stuff was deleted from /tmp?
[07:18] <frudo> i have another one also it seems like react ..
[07:18] <ugur> Eric^^: Thanks it worked
[07:18] <EriC^^> ugur: great, no problem
[07:30] <frudo> guys : look this one http://pastebin.com/pViYnauJ
[07:30] <ikonia> why ?
[07:31] <ikonia> what's the problem
[07:31] <Industrial> Hi!
[07:31] <Industrial> My font sizes outside of Unity are too large
[07:31] <Industrial> http://i.imgur.com/GFAa4yg.png
[07:31] <Industrial> It's the Chrome menu's
[07:31] <Industrial> Also other apps do this
[07:32] <DevAntoine> hi
[07:32] <Industrial> Are there services I should run to fix the font sizes? Something to do with GTk settings?
[07:33] <TardisTravler> hello
[07:37] <Hoffman> hello
[07:37] <Hoffman> how do I set the grub prefix with grub-install?  currently grub-install sets it to /boot/EFI/ubuntu/ instead of /boot/EFI/grub/
[07:42] <frudo> i still not catch up which process eating disk space?
[07:43] <frudo> http://pastebin.com/pViYnauJ
[07:44] <frudo> after restart why it fixed..??
[07:44] <frudo> and how
[07:50] <ikonia> frudo: what are you talking about
[07:50] <ikonia> frudo: I don't actually see a problem in your pastes,
[07:51] <ugur> Hi I enabled password authentication for ssh but now public key authentication gives this error: "Permission denied (publickey,password)."
[07:53] <DevAntoine> I need help, I don't know what shortcut I just hit but now the entiere screen is zoomed on all application
[07:53] <DevAntoine> when I move the cursor it moves the screen oO
[07:53] <DevAntoine> I guess I can just reboot but I don't want too :D
[07:54] <frudo> ikonia: really..so where used 5.4 GB
[07:54] <ikonia> frudo: you've not stated a proble
[07:54] <ikonia> frudo: you're just saying words, try to build a sentence that explains your problem
[07:54] <frudo> ikonia: /mnt is mounted with another its not in root
[07:55] <ikonia> frudo: so ?
[07:55] <ikonia> frudo: you've got /mnt on a seperate device....what's the problem
[07:56] <toni1> Hello, I have a pretty severe problem. For a while now, I've been having trouble installing packages, and there are certain packages (libreoffice e.g.) that I can't get to work at all.
[07:57] <toni1> So I decided to try reinstalling all my packages.
[07:57] <toni1> Problem is, I can't reinstall debconf, and it tells me that the package is in a bad way
[07:57] <ikonia> why are you re-installing all your packages
[07:57] <ikonia> thats never going to work
[07:58] <ikonia> just fix the packages that are broken/causing conflict (no doubt from a PPA)
[07:58] <frudo> ikonia: if some reason root disk full but not to identify its serious problem...
[07:59] <toni1> the problem is, whenever I try installing a package, it tells me it canÄt be configured. I then have to manually remove the scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info and then redo the install
[07:59] <toni1> which worked for most packages, but not for all
[07:59] <ikonia> toni1: so the package logs will normally show you why it can't be configured
[08:00] <Guido1> I'm looking for an dublicate finder for ubuntu which allows me to select folders to search in and delete all found files with one click. any sugestions?
[08:00] <ikonia> frudo: /dev/xvda1                 7.8G  5.4G  2.0G  74% / root is not full
[08:01] <frudo> ikonia: i know it happened with me last night .. its was full..after restart its showing free space 5.4 GB..
[08:01] <ikonia> frudo: this is AWS isn't it
[08:01] <toni1> ikonia: how do I access the package logs?
[08:01] <ikonia> toni1: in /var/log
[08:01] <frudo> ikonia: yes its aws machine
[08:01] <ikonia> frudo: what image
[08:02] <frudo> ubuntu
[08:02] <ikonia> frudo: which one
[08:02] <ikonia> frudo: exactly which ami
[08:03] <frudo> ikonia: its based on hvm and Root Device Type
[08:03] <frudo> ebs
[08:03] <ikonia> thats not what I asked
[08:05] <TardisTravler> hello
[08:05] <TardisTravler> ;-)
[08:05] <TardisTravler> :-)
[08:05] <toni1> ikonia: I don't see a log for debconf, e.g. There's a dpkg log that I looked at, but it only says "status half-configured debconf:all 1.5.58ubuntu1"
[08:06] <urand0m> how do i get php7 into the ubuntu repos?
[08:06] <frudo> ikonia: so i had created ubuntu 14.4 machine and than make AMI...and instance launching from.
[08:08] <frudo> telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl
[08:08] <ikonia> toni1: it should show you in the dpkg log why it's failing to configure it
[08:08] <ikonia> frudo: so it's your own personal ami
[08:08] <frudo> ikonia: yes
[08:10] <DevAntoine> when I move the cursor it moves the screen oO
[08:10] <DevAntoine> is this some kind of zoom?
[08:10] <DevAntoine> if so how do I revert it?
[08:10] <ikonia> frudo: ok - I'm not supporting your personal AMI's
[08:10] <frudo> ikonia: ;) hmmm
[08:15] <toni1> ikonia: I went through todays log. Started out with me wanting to install sqlite, it literalle says: install... status half-installed libsqlite0:amd64 2.8.17-12fakesync [...] status triggers-pending man-db [..] trigproc man-db:amd64; startup packages configure; configure python3-uno; status half-configured python3-uno... etc."
[08:15] <ikonia> toni1: ok, so manually issue a configure for it
[08:15] <ikonia> see what it says
[08:16] <bst1> I need some dictionary for stardict can anyone help
[08:17] <toni1> ikonia: debconf: "Package is in a very bad, inconsisten state. You should reinstall before trying to configure"
[08:18] <Mrokii> Hello. How can I configure bash so that when I type something like "ls " and hit the "arrow up"-key it goes back to the last occasion I used that particular command? Unfortunately I don't know what the function is called so I don't know what to look for on the web.
[08:19] <\9> Mrokii: you can do that with ctrl+r
[08:19] <geirha> you bind up and down to history-search-backward and history-search-forward, respectively
[08:19] <ikonia> toni1: and what happens when you try to remove it
[08:20] <Mrokii> geirha: Thanks, I'll look into that.
[08:20] <EriC^^> Mrokii: http://askubuntu.com/questions/59846/bash-history-search-partial-up-arrow
[08:20] <vlt> I know that behaviour from zsh. Maybe you can find the name reading about it there. In bash I use Ctrl+r but that matches not only from the beginning of the command.
[08:20] <vlt> Mrokii: ^
[08:21] <Mrokii> EriC^^: Thank you, sounds good.
[08:21] <Mrokii> Thanks guys for the suggestions.
[08:21] <toni1> ikonia: "Some packages could not be installed. This could mean that you have requested an impossible situation (or..) The following packages have non-fulfilled dependencies..."
[08:22] <toni1> ikonia: E: Error: Stops through pkgProblemResolver: Resolve started; this could have been caused by packages that have been held back
[08:22] <ikonia> toni1: ok - so you need to start working that through
[08:22] <ikonia> what are the conflicting packages, what are the deps that can't be fullfilled, what package wants them
[08:22] <toni1> ikonia: Sorry for the weird language, my system language is German, and I'm translating on the go. Really appreciate the help.
[08:23] <ikonia> it's fine
[08:23] <toni1> ikonia: should I try removing the dependencies?
[08:24] <tombee> Hi, does anyone have any tips on how to figure out what is causing Ubuntu to crash?
[08:24] <EriC^^> tombee: /var/log/syslog /var/log/kern.log
[08:24] <EriC^^> tombee: ~/.xsession-errors
[08:24] <tombee> Cool okay, thanks.
[08:24] <EriC^^> np
[08:24] <ikonia> toni1: no, remove the packages that depend on the missing/failed dependencies
[08:25] <ikonia> toni1: I suspect this is because you've used PPA's
[08:27] <toni1> ikonia: I tried this. It said "fontconfig depends on fontconfig-config", so I checked that fontconfig isn't essential and tried removing. But it returns an error code for debconf still: "status half-configured debconf:all 1.5.58ubuntu1"
[08:28] <Seveas> debconf being half-configured sounds like a recipe for a lot of problems
[08:30] <Seveas> toni1: please pastebin the output of: dpkg -l | grep '^.\?[A-Z]'
[08:30] <Seveas> that'll show all packages that are in a broken state
[08:31] <toni1> Seveas: http://pastebin.com/YJ0sxth8
[08:31] <ikonia> toni1: I suspect you're reading the output wrong
[08:31] <toni1> Seveas: It shows only debconf
[08:32] <ikonia> how is debconf in a broken state.....
[08:33] <Seveas> toni1: try apt-get install --reinstall debconf
[08:33] <toni1> I'll pastebin the output of sudo apt-get --reintsall install debconf.
[08:33] <toni1> Seveas: http://pastebin.com/84ft7s1m
[08:35] <Seveas> ok, you royally screwed up your system
[08:35] <toni1> Seveas: This is what I figured. You think reinstalling would be easier?
[08:36] <Seveas> at this point: yes. Unless you manage to get python-minimal and python3-minimal installed in this state
[08:38] <ikonia> I'd like to know how debconf got broke
[08:38] <ikonia> what did you do that broke that
[08:39] <toni1> Saveas: The weird thing is that it says both python-minimal and python3-minimal are already newest version.
[08:39] <Seveas> ikonia: I've learned over the years that too much curiosity can be dangerous. I *don't* want to know what he did :) I got scared at:
[08:39] <Seveas> [09:56] <       toni1> | Hello, I have a pretty severe problem. For a while now, I've been having trouble installing packages, and there are certain packages
[08:39] <Seveas>                          (libreoffice e.g.) that I can't get to work at all.
[08:39] <Seveas> [09:57] <       toni1> | So I decided to try reinstalling all my packages.
[08:40] <Seveas> toni1: well, bits of them are missing. try reinstalling those packages
[08:40] <ikonia> yeah, the "reinstall all my packages" is the bit I don't understand
[08:40] <toni1> my system now tells me that it managed to configure debconf...
[08:41] <Seveas> toni1: nice. Now apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and apt-get -F --fix-policy install
[08:41] <Seveas> that should reinstall missing packages
[08:42] <ugur> Hi I used mysql_secure_installation after installing mysql but now I cannot login with root password locally
[08:43] <pa> when is the 16.04.1 iso going to appear online?
[08:44] <Seveas> pa: when it's ready
[08:44] <pa> Seveas, wasn't it supposed to be today?
[08:44] <toni1> Seveas: it tells me that debconf does not have any data in /var/lib/dpkg/info/debconf.list
[08:45] <Seveas> toni1: well, you said you were manually messing about with files in there. Maybe reinstalling debconf again will restore that file.
[08:46] <Seveas> toni1: generally, when you mess about in /var/lib/dpkg/info, you will break things. Don't do it.
[08:47] <toni1> Seveas: This was the solution on the German wiki, but duly noted. I figure reinstalling the system is less hastle than fixing it at this point. Thanks guys! Really appreciate the help!
[08:47] <Seveas> toni1: well, that solution is pure rubbish :)
[08:48] <toni1> I figured the wiki would be well maintained, but lesson learned!
[09:07] <rigel_> [lubuntu] Dropbox daemon only has a black box with a forbidden sign on it in the panel. in Xubuntu this problem was solved by setting DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS="" how do i solve this problem in lubuntu?
[09:21] <rory> How can I create a user which can be used to create an SSH proxy, but is not allowed to actually log on and have a shell?
[09:23] <NikogdaCM> so strong they shine
[09:23] <NikogdaCM> bright white
[09:23] <NikogdaCM> lol
[09:23] <NikogdaCM> ...
[09:24] <NikogdaCM> whoops old thread. Oy
[09:25] <leroides> @search lindnord
[09:26] <plsheeeelp> Hi
[09:26] <plsheeeelp> Please help me my laptop wont boot, it hangs on the purple screen after I restarted it...
[09:26] <vlt> rory: I think you can set /bin/false as their shell in /etc/passwd
[09:26] <k1l> what did you do before the restart plsheeeelp ?
[09:27] <plsheeeelp> kll: nothing just some programming for work, that was yesterday. Today I was going to work from home because I got a bit sick and it just wont boot now
[09:27] <vlt> plsheeeelp: Mabye your BIOS enables SecureBoot somehow. Happened to me once when battery was dead.
[09:27] <vlt> plsheeeelp: *enabled
[09:28] <k1l> plsheeeelp: not installed anything? like video drivers or kernels or such? then boot without "quiet splash" and see where its stopping
[09:29] <plsheeeelp> when I power on the laptop it goes into grub asking if i want to go ubuntu, advanced options for ubuntu or system setup
[09:29] <plsheeeelp> if I choose ubuntu it hangs on the purple splash screen
[09:29] <plsheeeelp> well how do I turn off splash? I go into the root prompt
[09:29] <k1l> press e there when highlighting the ubuntu line. then remove quiet and splash from the kernel line
[09:29] <k1l> in grub you press e
[09:32] <plsheeeelp> ok I did remove it
[09:32] <plsheeeelp> then i press F10 to boot and it goes to the damn purple screen again ;(
[09:32] <plsheeeelp> crap I'm a contractor I won't get paid for doing no work ;(
[09:33] <k1l> are you sure you removed that from the kernel line? because removing splash qould have removed the purple screen
[09:34] <plsheeeelp> there is this line that goes ... ro noprom\pt persistent quiet splash $vt_handoff
[09:35] <plsheeeelp> i remove the quite splash so it is ro noprom\pt persistent $vt_handoff
[09:35] <plsheeeelp> then press f10 to boot and it goes to the purple screen :P
[09:36] <k1l> it needs to start with linux. there can be more lines including splash
[09:37] <plsheeeelp> k1l: unfortunately there arent any
[09:37] <plsheeeelp> k1l: any other ideas?
[09:39] <Felishia> help
[09:39] <Felishia> I don't know if there's a problem with the app or with the kernel
[09:41] <plsheeeelp> maybe I should do something with the recovery mode or something
[09:42] <psycho> plsheeeelp what linux distro are you trying to load
[09:42] <plsheeeelp> ubuntu
[09:42] <plsheeeelp> psycho: ubuntu
[09:42] <drale2k> i have created a stick with ubuntu on so i can boot with it. Now i want to put a file (a ruby script) on it and have it avail in the OS when i boot but i don't know where to put it
[09:42] <k1l> plsheeeelp: its hard to say what you should do. because you changed nothing and we cant get any clue what is going wrong.
[09:42] <drale2k> when i put it just on the stick root it is not there after boot. I can't find the home dir etc on the stick
[09:43] <psycho> plsheeelp,now you running livecd?
[09:43] <plsheeeelp> psycho: no, its installed on the disk
[09:43] <plsheeeelp> psycho: on the ssd
[09:44] <psycho> but now from what OS you writing this? from another linux?
[09:45] <plsheeeelp> psycho: from my macbook pro, but its a personal computer, and the one that died is my work one
[09:46] <Felishia> helo
[09:46] <Felishia> help
[09:46] <Felishia> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/a96e143532bb32f47ffb47b5eb453ca9
[09:47] <alkisg> drale2k: when you boot with the stick, you can then access its root contents in the /isodevice folder
[09:47] <psycho> plsheeelp, you must boot from ubuntu livecd, and see what happened with grub.cfg, its located in /boot/grub
[09:47] <Desu> Felishia: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[09:47] <drale2k> alkisg: ah thanks
[09:49] <psycho> plsheeelp, because maybe you havent normally install ubuntu, without normal partitioning
[09:49] <k1l> plsheeeelp: can you boot a live-usb/dvd on that machine? because its very hard to tell what to do wihtout any hint. i guess you did more to that machine than just reboot.
[09:49] <psycho> plsheelp, in boot menu you havent many lines, its my linux	/vmlinuz-4.4.0-28-generic.efi.signed root=UUID=8db58864-219b-4613-874d-a792897b1433 ro  quiet splash $vt_handoff
[09:50] <plsheeeelp> nano /etc/default/grub
[09:50] <plsheeeelp> i can open this file
[09:50] <plsheeeelp> via recovery root prompt
[09:51] <k1l> then remove quiet and splash there. then run "update-grub" and let the config renew
[09:52] <plsheeeelp> k1l: here i see the line grub_cmdline_linux_default="quiet splash" i
[09:52] <plsheeeelp> i replace quiet splash with text
[09:52] <Felishia> git is not working on ubuntu 16.04 LTS
[09:52] <k1l> plsheeeelp: no. dont replace it. erase it
[09:53] <plsheeeelp> k1l: but i cant save the file, it says readonly file system
[09:53] <psycho> plsheeelp, just remove quiet splash, than save file
[09:53] <alkisg> dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc, allows for updating the cmdline with a text dialog, without editing files
[09:53] <plsheeeelp> k1l: what do i do about that?
[09:53] <k1l> plsheeeelp: yes, you need to remount it as rw
[09:53] <plsheeeelp> k1l: can you please tell me how? I suck at this
[09:54] <k1l> mount -o remount,rw /
[09:54] <alkisg> select "enable networking" at the recovery dialog, it'll remount rw
[09:54] <plsheeeelp> fuck yes it worked
[09:55] <k1l> plsheeeelp: honestly: if you tell us what you did before the restart we could fix that more easily
[09:55] <anonymous> how to install vpn for linux
[09:55] <plsheeeelp> k1l: I was writing some scala code and comming to remote repo, nothing that should matter
[09:55] <plsheeeelp> k1l: i ran update grub
[09:56] <Guest97272> how to install vpn for linux
[09:56] <plsheeeelp> k1l: anyway I belive I did not restart this computer for weeks maybe so ;P
[09:56] <MonkeyDust> !vpn | Guest97272 start here
[09:56] <psycho> guest97272 openvpn
[09:56] <k1l> plsheeeelp: ...
[09:56] <plsheeeelp> k1l: what do I do after update-grub?
[09:56] <k1l> plsheeeelp: does an older kernel still work when selected in grub under advanced options
[09:56] <plsheeeelp> k1l: sorry I'm not a devops :) Im a java/scala guy
[09:57] <k1l> plsheeeelp: reboot
[09:57] <energizer> I'm trying to get my pidgin IRC working correctly. Can you see *this* message?
[09:57] <Guest97272> how to open vpn for linux
[09:57] <alkisg> energizer: yup
[09:57] <MonkeyDust> energizer  we see you
[09:57] <energizer> perfect. thanks
[09:57] <plsheeeelp> k1l: unfortunately it hangs on the purple screen again, this is a nightmare
[10:00] <plsheeeelp> im still getting a blank purple screen :( I think there's no hope
[10:01] <alkisg> plsheeeelp: what happened and caused that?
[10:01] <plsheeeelp> alkisg: restart ;) and probably updates, though I did not migrate to a new version
[10:01] <plsheeeelp> of ubuntu
[10:02] <alkisg> plsheeeelp: did you remove any software before the restart?
[10:02] <plsheeeelp> alkisg: no I did not
[10:02] <alkisg> The easiest way to troubleshoot it now would be by booting with a live cd/usb stick
[10:03] <plsheeeelp> alkisg: I've deleted the quiet splash and verified that its deleted(saved) but I still get the damn purple screen
[10:03] <alkisg> plsheeeelp: you can press "e" in grub to delete it
[10:03] <alkisg> In the grub menu
[10:03] <alkisg> And then f10 to boot the modified entry
[10:04] <k1l> plsheeeelp: did you try to boot an old entry for ubuntu with another kernel?
[10:04] <plsheeeelp> alkisg: its already deleted there, but when i press f10 i still get the purple screen
[10:04] <plsheeeelp> k1l: i did not
[10:04] <rigel_> [lubuntu] Dropbox daemon only has a black box with a forbidden sign on it in the panel. in Xubuntu this problem was solved by setting DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS="" how do i solve this problem in lubuntu?
[10:04] <k1l> something is wrong if you still get the purple screen because if one removes quiet and splash there will be no purple screen. that is the point in removing those to entries
[10:06] <plsheeeelp> k1l: which kernel should I try? any other than the default one?
[10:06] <plsheeeelp> im going with 3.19.0-30-generic
[10:07] <k1l> try the others if someone of them boots
[10:07] <plsheeeelp> it says loading initial ramdisk
[10:07] <plsheeeelp> will see how it goes, but im loosing hope ;(
[10:07] <plsheeeelp> anyway im grateful for the help you guys provided
[10:08] <plsheeeelp> well I think it froze on loading initial ramdisk ... _
[10:08]  * alkisg suggests using a live cd/usb stick again...
[10:09] <LibertyWeNeed> I had wine installed and I have since removed it through the synaptic package manager. How do I get rid of icons of programs that were installed with wine from the dashboard?
[10:10] <plsheeeelp> alkisg: which distro shall I download?
[10:10] <alkisg> LibertyWeNeed: the normal way to do it is to reinstall wine, then use its remove programs dialog to uninstall all the apps you've installed
[10:10] <alkisg> plsheeeelp: whatever you like, i'm using ubuntu-mate myself
[10:10] <LibertyWeNeed> I tried but it won't let me
[10:10] <LibertyWeNeed> remove the programs i mean
[10:11] <felicity_> any pine64 users out there?
[10:11] <alkisg> What message does it show when it doesn't let you?
[10:13] <MonkeyDust> felicity_  that's a yes/no question, better ask your real question
[10:14] <plsheeeelp> alkisg: the download will take 25 mins
[10:14] <plsheeeelp> alkisg: will you still be here? :)
[10:14] <alkisg> plsheeeelp: not sure. don't you already have the cd with which you installed ubuntu?
[10:14] <plsheeeelp> alkisg: that was well over a year ago
[10:14] <felicity_> I want to know the best web browser for pine64
[10:15] <MonkeyDust> !find pine64
[10:22] <k1l> plsheeeelp: best is to get a live-usb. load that and look what the logs on the installed system say why the boot stopped.
[10:22] <LibertyWeNeed> alkisg, no message just nothing happens when I click on modify/remove
[10:33] <alkisg> LibertyWeNeed: the appropriate place to ask would be in #wine. Here's a hackish way to remove them: find .local .config -name '*wine*'
[10:34] <alkisg> LibertyWeNeed: this only displays the files. You can then add "-delete" at the end to remove them.
[10:35] <LibertyWeNeed> thanks
[10:54] <jasondockers> is it possible to get the subpixel smoothing of TrueType in Ubuntu? I have mscorefonts installed.
[10:55] <Triffid_Hunter> jasondockers: should be, I've have it on my (non-ubuntu) linux desktop for years
[10:55] <jasondockers> I'm also using Monaco and Segeo UI, however they're quite ugly. There's no smoothing / anti-aliasing.
[10:56] <Bloodhand> Hey guys can you help me ? I have a problem I can't install phpmyadmin because I get the same error every time ( "E: Unable to locate package phpmyadmin" )
[10:58] <jasondockers> Triffid_Hunter, any idea how to go about it?
[10:58] <MonkeyDust> Bloodhand  what's the output of   cat /etc/issue
[11:00] <MonkeyDust> Bloodhand  it phpmyadmin sits in the universe repo, make sure you activated that repo
[11:06] <GoScrewYourSelfU> Anyone have Ubuntu 16.04 with latest package updates and able to install Gnome from official repos? does anyone understand what I'm asking here?
[11:07] <t-ask> HI, I have probelms with the Ubuntu Phone and video playback. Which is the right place to ask for help?
[11:07] <MonkeyDust> GoScrewYourSelfU  better change your nick and ask your question more friendly
[11:07] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> Sorry Monkey, super annoyed right now, my bad.
[11:07] <bazhang> !phone | t-ask
[11:08] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> Anyone know how to get Gnome working on Ubuntu 16.04 with latest packages installed? Greeter broke, Unity wont stop can't switch to Gnome
[11:08] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> Trying to help a friend switch away from Unity
[11:08] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> sorry not trying to be shitty on that
[11:08] <bazhang> ILoveUbuntuYou2, do you mean gnome-shell or what
[11:08] <Desu> ILoveUbuntuYou2: journalctl -b -u gdm
[11:08] <bazhang> ILoveUbuntuYou2, no cursing here please
[11:08] <Desu> or lightdm or whatever you use
[11:09] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> Sorry bazhang
[11:09] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> Tried lightdm tried gdm
[11:09] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> looked up bugs and looks like its all broken?
[11:10] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> Can't choose DE from Ubuntu symbol after installing Gnome
[11:10] <Bloodhand> MonkeyDust  Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS \n \l
[11:10] <ikonia> ILoveUbuntuYou2: explain the problem
[11:10] <ikonia> ILoveUbuntuYou2: you're just saying unclear statements,
[11:10] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> Ok so here's the issue... brand new System76 system Oryx Pro
[11:10] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> Latest 16.04 packages
[11:10] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> sudo apt-get install gnome gnome-shell
[11:11] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> asks to switch DM
[11:11] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> choose LightDM
[11:11] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> reboot
[11:11] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> Broken Greeter
[11:11] <ikonia> define broken greeter
[11:11] <ikonia> saying "broken" helps no-one
[11:11] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> Can't choose DM
[11:11] <ikonia> explain clearly
[11:11] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> from ubuntu symbol
[11:11] <ikonia> so is the greeter launching yes/no
[11:12] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> when logging in background is black, had to use Gnome Tweak tool "show icon on desktop" to return background
[11:12] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> Greeter does not allow choice of DM
[11:12] <ikonia> stop
[11:12] <jasondockers> xfce is kind of hideous. is openbox still being developed?
[11:12] <ikonia> answer the questions
[11:12] <ikonia> is the greeter launching, yes/no
[11:12] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> yes
[11:12] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> greeter is launching
[11:12] <ikonia> ILoveUbuntuYou2: is the greeter the greeter application you expected yes/no
[11:12] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> can I preface this by saying that I'm a seasoned Gentoo and Arch user and a Technical Solutions Engineer...
[11:13] <ikonia> ILoveUbuntuYou2: and yet you seem unable to clearly communicate a problem to the point where we have to use yes/no responses
[11:13] <ikonia> ILoveUbuntuYou2: is the greeter the greeter application you expected yes/no
[11:13] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> sorry for the attitude I was hoping to help my friend but it seems package versions or some crazy Ubuntu thing is just... I duno.. frustrating.
[11:13] <jasondockers> ikonia, stop attacking him.
[11:13] <ikonia> jasondockers: no-one is attacking him, I'm trying to get info
[11:13] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> I used to run Ubuntu but kept having problems like this, brought back my Windows PTSD
[11:13] <ikonia> ILoveUbuntuYou2: you keep talking - and not answering the questoins I'm asking
[11:13] <ikonia> I will no longer attempt to help you
[11:13] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> because you're trolling me :)
[11:14] <ikonia> i'm not
[11:14] <ikonia> I'm trying to get solid info
[11:14] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> lol
[11:14] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> so anyways... anyone have latest 16.04 and install Gnome?
[11:14] <ikonia> I run gnome on 16.04 for compatability testing with other gnome releases on other distros
[11:14] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> or KDE for that matter?
[11:15] <Desu> ILoveUbuntuYou2: I would get the errors and fix the actual problem with the greeter first
[11:15] <mcphail> ILoveUbuntuYou2: have you installed the ubuntu-gnome-desktop metapackage?
[11:15] <Desu> ILoveUbuntuYou2: or switch to gdm
[11:15] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> you want me to fix the Ubuntu problem?
[11:15] <Triffid_Hunter> ILoveUbuntuYou2: heh I'm a gentoo user too, I find ubuntu rather frustrating as well..
[11:15]  * joelio runs gnome fine - I use ubuntu-gnome-desktop metapackage
[11:15] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> GDM displays a grey screen with nothing to do
[11:16] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> I drop to TTY and restart GDM nothing... after literally 2 hours of journalctl -xe and debugging I end up with unintelligible issues that aren't just a simple fi
[11:16] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> I'm guessing outdated packages?
[11:16] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> ...
[11:16] <ikonia> you're guessing wrong
[11:17] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> well definitely outdated packages just whether or not that's the problem is undetermined :)
[11:17] <ikonia> no
[11:17] <ikonia> they are not out dated
[11:17] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> LOL
[11:17] <ikonia> I'm not laughing
[11:17] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> riiiiight
[11:17] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> you should be
[11:18] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> ok so I'm assuming no one here is successfully running Gnome on Ubuntu 16.04?
[11:18] <ikonia> already told you "yes"
[11:18] <joelio> I just said I awas
[11:18] <joelio> yes
[11:18] <ikonia> and there is the ubuntu-gnome release
[11:18] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> ahhh that's right there's an ignore command lol
[11:18] <Triffid_Hunter> ILoveUbuntuYou2: ubuntu always has outdated packages, in the name of 'stability'
[11:18] <mcphail> ILoveUbuntuYou2: it sounds as if you have reached the bounds of your competence. If you want Ubuntu to configure gnome and greeter, run the ubuntu-gnome-desktop metapackage. If you feel you can configure it yourself, just install the gnome package
[11:18] <ikonia> it's not outdated
[11:19] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> mcphail: ... not trying to be rude or mean I'm just extremely frustrated... if the bounds of my competency are installing and configuring a Gentoo system or Arch from bare bones to full blown but I can't simply "sudo apt-get install gnome gnome-shell lightdm && sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm && sudo systemctl enable lightdm" and it works then wtf is going on?
[11:20] <joelio> I deployed it to over 100 desktops at old job - it degfinitely works
[11:20] <joelio> if you use the metapackage too - even better
[11:20] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> pardon the language... when you hide complexity and make choices for the user there are consequences and those consequences are... things not working
[11:20] <joelio> or you could install the right pacakage
[11:20] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> joelio: thank you for some good feedback, I will have him try the meta packages
[11:20] <mcphail> ILoveUbuntuYou2: you have been given your solution. ubuntu is not arch or gentoo, and you should not expect it to behave the same way
[11:21] <ikonia> being able to type "emerge" does mean you are skilled or experience
[11:21] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> well its hard to tell what the "right" package is when everyone and there brother has an ubuntu forum with "the way to install Gnome 3 on Ubuntu 16.04" would prefer a single cohesive manual or set of instructions...
[11:21] <ikonia> so the quicker that stops getting posted as bragging rights, the quicker you'll move forward
[11:21] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> I don't expect it to behand like Arch or Gentoo I expect to install gnome via a package manager and it works :)
[11:21] <joelio> http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/ubuntu-gnome-desktop is what you want
[11:21] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> behave**
[11:21] <rahtgaz> ILoveUbuntuYou2: don't mind the apologists, you are right. Ubuntu makes it hard to change the underlying DE and that's just a fact. HOwever, it does so for the good reasons. BUt in any case, that's that
[11:22] <joelio> no, it really doesn't - just install the right metapackage and away you go
[11:22] <mcphail> ILoveUbuntuYou2: ubuntu follows the "debian way", which predates arch and gentoo
[11:22] <joelio> there are preseed multiselects that wrap up all that too
[11:22] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> thank you rahtgaz I appreciate the sentimate. Feels my pain :)
[11:22] <joelio> so you can easily install wheatever desktop
[11:22] <joelio> it's not that hard, just use the right installer
[11:22] <joelio> the live will just give you unity
[11:22] <joelio> so either use alternate and install gnome, or use live and install gnome using the http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/ubuntu-gnome-desktop pacage
[11:23] <joelio> easy
[11:23] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> If I were physically with my friend (he's 3000 miles away and affraid of a terminal) I would just grab gnubuntu or ubuntu gnome or whichever and install it via USB and be done with it all
[11:23] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> but in that event I would instead install Arch so he could have more choice and help him manage it.
[11:23] <joelio> sure, well I've told you the easy way to do it
[11:23] <ikonia> and yet you've just said he's scared of the terminal
[11:24] <ikonia> ILoveUbuntuYou2: the quicker you stop this arch bragging nonsense and focus on giving info on your problem and working wiht people the better you'll be
[11:24] <rahtgaz> if that was so easy, we wouldn't need lubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu-mate ubuntu-gnome, etc. But you know... it's always easy, until it breaks and you are left on irc channels trying to fix your easy installation. God, I hate easy advice
[11:24] <ikonia> if you want to continue to use this arch is great stuff, do it in another channel
[11:24] <mcphail> Can we consider this question closed and move on, without having a debate on packaging philosophy?
[11:24] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> ubuntu-gnome-desktop package will be good yes? Is there a way to "switch" from one Ubuntu to another for instance from "Vanilla" to "Kubuntu". Is this the meta package you are refering to?
[11:24] <ikonia> yes
[11:24] <joelio> rahtgaz: those distros *are* the metapackages essentially.. just bundled up
[11:24] <ikonia> it's just the desktop
[11:25] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> I'm sorry mcphail I'll try to keep my questions more specific and un-opinionated. Frustration is just at a peak. My apologies.
[11:25] <ikonia> kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-gnome-desktop xubuntu-desktop
[11:25] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> Thank you joelio for being so helpful and "dealing" with my frustration. It is much appreciated.
[11:25] <mcphail> ILoveUbuntuYou2: how it all works out for you
[11:25] <christian_> Hi is it advisable to install Xfce 4.12 in Xubuntu 14.04.3?
[11:26] <ikonia> christian_: what do you mean ?
[11:26] <ikonia> christian_: is there a package for xfce 4.12 ?
[11:26] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> I'm really refraining from what I want to say, this is another reason I'm so frustrated. Because I want to be that a-hole troll that bashes Ubuntu but it is "good" for the average user who doesn't want to switch out the "underlying" DE.
[11:27] <christian_> I saw a tutorial in linuxscoop on how to install the latest stable 4.12
[11:27] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> I swear I'm not normally like this :) Just when I start having my Windows PTSD all over again.
[11:27] <ikonia> christian_: I advise you stay clear of that
[11:27] <ikonia> christian_: I advise you to use the packages xubuntu provides for you
[11:27] <christian_> ikonia_: would something happen if I install 4.12?
[11:28] <ikonia> there is no promises it would work, be compatible and it certainly wouldn't be supported
[11:28] <ikonia> christian_: use the packages provided by xubuntu
[11:28] <EriC^^> !info xfce
[11:28] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> Christian, I'm assuming ikonia is trolling you but I wouldn't know because I ignored him. /ignore ikonia if you are being trolled too
[11:28] <EriC^^> !info xfce4
[11:28] <EriC^^> christian_: why don't you upgrade to 16.04?
[11:28] <EriC^^> it has 4.12 by default
[11:28] <mcphail> ILoveUbuntuYou2: please behave
[11:29] <christian_> I have issues in the kernel 16.04 uses
[11:29] <EriC^^> ah
[11:29] <EriC^^> what issues?
[11:29] <christian_> yes I know its installed by default
[11:29] <mcphail> ikonia: thanks
[11:30] <christian_> in wine when I installed 16.04 there is something wrong when Im playing AOE3 and NFS MW(2005)
[11:31] <EriC^^> oh
[11:31] <EriC^^> christian_: did you try a mainline kernel?
[11:31] <christian_> so Im keeping linux kernel 3.19 installed in Xubuntu 14.04.3
[11:32] <christian_> EriC^^_: Like the latest kernel?
[11:32] <MonkeyDust> christian_  also: .4 is the latest 14.04
[11:32] <EriC^^> !mainline | christian_ yes
[11:34] <christian_> MonkeyDust_: Yes but it uses kernel 4.2 from Ubuntu Wily HWE... But still it causes ugly glitches in Wine when I play them said games
[11:35] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> Hello, I am here to troll the channel.
[11:35] <christian_> ubottu_: I dont know how to install them mainline kernel
[11:35] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> Welcome Cisco! troll away! :)
[11:35] <ILoveUbuntuYou2> but only Ikonia
[11:35] <Cisco3560-48PS-S> LOL
[11:36] <HelpMePLZ> How install Minimal Ubuntu with OpenBox?
[11:37] <christian_> EriC^^_:I would probably install 16.04.1 when it comes out
[11:37] <JustLoveUbuntuOk> Hows everyone doing today/tonight/this-morning?
[11:38] <EriC^^> christian_: these are the mainline kernels http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/?C=N;O=D
[11:39] <christian_> EriC^^_: How do you install them? Are they in a certain repositry that they could be auto updated by the moderator/maintainer?
[11:40] <EriC^^> christian_: you download the .deb files and install them using dpkg, they'll remain on the pc and the normal kernels keep getting updated too
[11:41] <EriC^^> but you'll be using the one you installed, unless you keep manually updating, personally i'm using 4.6rc6 cause i had suspend issues with 16.04, haven't really upgraded it since the install and it's working good
[11:41] <christian_> EriC^^_: And the kernel packages will then get synced with my repos right?
[11:42] <EriC^^> synced?
[11:42] <AlphaAndOmega> Is snappy available for desktop?
[11:42] <EriC^^> there won't be conflicts
[11:43] <EriC^^> christian_: you need to install the headers package though, it's very important for other software
[11:43] <pleaseeheelp> k1l: ok I have got the liveusb
[11:43] <pleaseeheelp> k1l: can you help please :)
[11:43] <christian_> EriC^^_: Im reading the new release of graphics stack in Intel Linux page
[11:44] <pleaseeheelp> Guys I'm getting a purple screen when booting my laptop
[11:44] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: did you try booting with nomodeset?
[11:44] <christian_> the probably fix the i965 bug that causes glitches in my wine games
[11:44] <pleaseeheelp> no
[11:44] <pleaseeheelp> how do i do that
[11:44] <EriC^^> !nomodeset | pleaseeheelp
[11:44] <pleaseeheelp> I tried disabling splash screen
[11:44] <pleaseeheelp> but im still getting it
[11:45] <christian_> EriC^^_: thanks sir
[11:45] <EriC^^> christian_: no problem
[11:45] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: after booting I choose ubuntu and the screen goes blank/purpleish
[11:45] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: ubuntu hasn't been installed yet on the pc?
[11:46] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: I've disabled the quiet splash and it still goes to that damn screen
[11:46] <christian_> EriC^^_: Thats the only thing stopping me from upgrading from 14.04 to 16.04 is the graphics glitches Im experiencing in wine
[11:46] <pleaseeheelp> although it shouldnt
[11:46] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: try adding "nomodeset" instead of quiet splash
[11:47] <EriC^^> or try booting into recovery mode from advanced options and troubleshoot from there
[11:47] <tomogui> Greetings everyone. I have a little problem here and wonder if you guys/girls might be able to help me.. I just recently installed ubuntu 16.04 on my laptop. I have a problem connecting with the Wi-Fi. When I try to connect to my network i get prompted to enter the key, but after that nothing happens and it won't connect. Can any of you help me out?
[11:48] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: it has been installed, I was working on that laptop yesterday with no problem, but today after restarting it it doesnt work anyomre
[11:49] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: it's probably a graphics issue
[11:49] <EriC^^> did you update or do anything else?
[11:49] <christian_> EriC^^_: I thought probably they removed the driver of intel 965q gpu in kernel 4.4
[11:49] <AlphaAndOmega> Anyone have success using SDDM on Ubuntu?
[11:49] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: I'm not sure I just installed the automatic update stuff
[11:50] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: aside from that I didn't do anything that could have caused that, just some programming
[11:50] <AlphaAndOmega> I haven't tried SDDM yet but I've used it before and liked it
[11:50] <EriC^^> christian_: no idea about that
[11:50] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: so should i try this NOMODESET?
[11:50] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: yeah
[11:51] <EriC^^> christian_: newer kernel is worth a shot i guess, it's easy to install and if it doesn't work out just a matter of purging it
[11:51] <AlphaAndOmega> So are Snappy packages available on Desktop? I like the idea of snaps. Are we switching to them soon and ditching debs or what?
[11:51] <christian_> EriC^^_: Ok sir I would try that
[11:52] <MonkeyDust> !snappy | AlphaAndOmega
[11:52] <AlphaAndOmega> Aren't snaps kind of like Appliance firmwares where the application is like an "image" that isn't changeable?
[11:52] <k1l> AlphaAndOmega: yes, since 16.04 they are available and no, they are not going to remove debs
[11:52] <AlphaAndOmega> transactional updates! thats the words I was looking for.
[11:52] <AlphaAndOmega> Thanks ubottu!
[11:52] <AlphaAndOmega> thanks to you too k1l !
[11:53] <AlphaAndOmega> Transactional updates are amazing. Does this mean snappy packages are newer then too? newer then normal LTS packages anyways?
[11:55] <EriC^^> trolling season
[11:56] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: eric the problem is that I can login on livecd just fine
[11:56] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: its just the old disk installation that I have problems with
[11:56] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: an update probably broke it then
[11:56] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: are you on the live usb right now?
[11:57] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: no but I can be in 1 min
[11:57] <EriC^^> ok
[11:57] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: thanks Eric
[11:57] <quorzom> anyone else experiencing connection issues with Wi-Fi on Ubuntu 16.04?
[11:57] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: no problem
[11:57] <k1l> quorzom: that depends on the used wifi hardware
[11:58] <quorzom> k1l: well tomogui has some problems, as far as I know he sees all the networks but cannot connect to them
[11:58] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: btw I', wrting this from my personal computer, the one that is broken is from the company i contract for ;P
[11:58] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: ok im on liveusb
[11:58] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: what do i do
[11:59] <k1l> quorzom: tomogui?
[11:59] <pleaseeheelp> hi k1l
[11:59] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: lspci -k | grep -A4 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:59] <pleaseeheelp> I've got the liveusb :)
[11:59] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: and sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:59] <quorzom> k1l: that's another user here, he wrote something about his issue like 10 minutes ago
[11:59] <quorzom> and looks like nobody responded so far
[12:00] <gda> qwqw
[12:00] <gda> qw
[12:00] <gda> qw
[12:00] <gda> qw
[12:00] <gda> qw
[12:00] <pleaseeheelp> nc temporary failure in name resolution Eric^^
[12:01] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: lspci -k | grep -A4 VGA | curl -F "sprunge=<-" sprunge.us
[12:01] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: do you have internet connection?
[12:02] <EriC^^> termbin is working here
[12:02] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: yep just connected computer with wire
[12:03] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: ok
[12:03] <pleaseeheelp> ok I ran lspci -k | grep -A4 VGA | curl -F "sprunge=<-" sprunge.us
[12:03] <pleaseeheelp> http://sprunge.us/RKOC
[12:03] <pleaseeheelp> remember that this is from the livecd, not the dead system that i have installed right
[12:07] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: http://sprunge.us/RKOC
[12:07] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: ok and sudo parted -l | curl -F "sprunge=<-" sprunge.us ?
[12:08] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: you only have intel graphics? no nvidia or amd?
[12:08] <k1l> quorzom: what hardware is it? some hardware manufacturers ship really bad standard drivers so the user needs to tweak them.
[12:08] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: yes
[12:09] <tomogui> Greetings everyone. I have a little problem here and wonder if you guys/girls might be able to help me.. I just recently installed ubuntu 16.04 on my laptop. I have a problem connecting with the Wi-Fi. When I try to connect to my network i get prompted to enter the key, but after that nothing happens and it won't connect. Can any of you help me out?
[12:09] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: http://sprunge.us/fgDj
[12:09] <captainpicard> I have Ubuntu 16.04 in virtual box. I removed my video card, and now the gui won't load. The window just resizes about 3 or 4 times and the screen goes black. So I ctrl-alt-f1 to a terminal and login. I tried reloading unity, loading gnome, restarting gdm, but nothing.
[12:10] <k1l> tomogui: what wifi hardware is it? lspci or lsusb will tell
[12:11] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt
[12:12] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: done
[12:12] <boriseto> what needs to be changed in grub so i could make my tty (f1-f6) work again?
[12:12] <tomogui> k1l: Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM57786 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe (rev 01)
[12:12] <tomogui> 01:00.1 SD Host controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM57765/57785 SDXC/MMC Card Reader (rev 01)
[12:12] <tomogui> 02:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros QCA9565 / AR9565 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
[12:13] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: alias pasteit='curl -F "sprunge=<-" sprunge.us'; cat /mnt/var/log/Xorg.0.log /mnt/var/log/apt/history.log | pasteit
[12:13] <captainpicard> n/m...i turned off 3d support in vb and it loads now
[12:15] <AtuM> tomogui, you have some instructions on atheros's site for ubuntu drivers.. also the firmware is there
[12:15] <tomogui> Hmm let me check hat, AtuM :)
[12:15] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: pasteit command wasnt found
[12:18] <soee> would it be trouble some to have pulseaudio 0.9 in xenial?
[12:19] <fps_> test
[12:19] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: alias pasteit='curl -F "sprunge=<-" sprunge.us'
[12:19] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: then run cat /mnt/var/log/Xorg.0.log /mnt/var/log/apt/history.log | pasteit
[12:19] <XwZ> hi, any reasons for naming qtmultimedia5-dev instead of libqt5multimedia5-dev as all dev's lib I have seen for Qt5
[12:20] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: ok sorry, sprunge.us/PHJd
[12:20] <lucido-cwl> Hi, I lost my top and side panels after a reboot (16.04) desktop
[12:20] <AtuM> tomogui, sorry.. I have atheros killer 1535 myself.. so I found what i needed at www.killernetworking.com  - your model is not one of those, so I spoke too soon, sorry
[12:20] <antonio_> ciao
[12:20] <antonio_> !list
[12:20] <lucido-cwl> I had to start a terminal to lunch my irc client where I write this
[12:21] <lucido-cwl> hoe can I restore my desktop envirenment?
[12:21] <k1l> lucido-cwl: does the guest account work properly?
[12:22] <lucido-cwl> k1l, I will need to log out from irc to test it
[12:22] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: apt-get install upstart-sysv ?
[12:22] <k1l> lucido-cwl: so do it
[12:22] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: you've run that command and it removed systemd-sysv and ubuntu-standard
[12:22] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: I can't recall doing this
[12:23] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: i have no idea about it, but it doesn't seem like standard practice or something
[12:23] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: try sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-standard systemd-sysv
[12:23] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: so is there any hope? :)
[12:24] <ioria> pleaseeheelp, are you on 16.04 ?
[12:24] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: also the only packages that seem to have been added during the update are the kernel, if you boot into the older kernel using grub it should work
[12:24] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: sure
[12:24] <lucido> k1l, yes the guest accoiunt works
[12:24] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: it didnt work (booting into older kernel),
[12:24] <pleaseeheelp> ok I ran the apt-get install shall i reboot now?
[12:25] <ioria> pleaseeheelp, you installed this -- upstart-sysv -- on a  systemd system ?
[12:25] <k1l> lucido: ok. as the user login into terminal again. then do "mv .config .configbackup" then relogin. it should work then but would have resetted all the configs from all programs. you can move the folders in the .config folder back again for the programs you want.
[12:26] <pleaseeheelp> ioria: I dont understand
[12:26] <pleaseeheelp> ioria: I ran that command on liveusb terminal if thats what ure askin
[12:26] <ioria> pleaseeheelp, Start-Date: 2016-07-15  09:57:25
[12:26] <ioria> Commandline: apt-get install upstart-sysv
[12:27] <pleaseeheelp> ioria: idk, the computer was working just fine yesterday, but I might have not turned it off since 07-15
[12:27] <pleaseeheelp> ioria: should I reboot now?
[12:28] <ioria> pleaseeheelp, nm, was just curious
[12:28] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: yeah try rebooting
[12:29] <lucido-cwl> k1l, could you paste that again, I lost the text
[12:29] <pleaseeheelp> EriC^^: unfortunately no luck, still purple screen
[12:29] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: if you press esc does it show anything?
[12:29] <pleaseeheelp> EriC^^: no
[12:30] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: when you remove quiet splash does it say any errors?
[12:30] <pleaseeheelp> EriC^^: no, I still get purple screen
[12:30] <EriC^^> you get a list of stuff loading though right?
 lucido: ok. as the user login into terminal again. then do "mv .config .configbackup" then relogin. it should work then but would have resetted all the configs from all programs. you can move the folders in the .config folder back again for the programs you want.
[12:30] <pleaseeheelp> EriC^^: is there a way of installing mint lets say over this instalation? without loosing anything? I have vpns, ssh configured for work
[12:31] <pleaseeheelp> EriC^^: on that computer, and it would blow to wipe all of that
[12:31] <EriC^^> you could backup and reinstall
[12:31] <EriC^^> fresh install
[12:31] <k1l> why mint? you removed important system stuff and made a mess to this ubuntu system
[12:32] <k1l> if have asked you 10 times this morning, what you did so this system doesnt boot anymore. and every time you said "i did nothing".
[12:33] <pleaseeheelp> k1l: I did nothing man, it was the auto updates
[12:34] <pleaseeheelp> k1l: All I do on this computer is program in a text editor, and use git via command line, and browse web...
[12:34] <cyansam> HI
[12:34] <k1l> pleaseeheelp: the logs showed it differently. on july the 15th you made upstart install
[12:35] <pleaseeheelp> k1l: I did not do that maybe it was some asshole coworker or something
[12:36] <ioria> oh, please :þ
[12:36] <cyansam> WHO EVER DEVELOPED AND RELEASED 16.04 TO THE PUBLIC YOU ARE AN IDIOT THIS VERSION NOT EVEN ALPHA and ubuntu extremely basic thanks
[12:37] <pleaseeheelp> k1l: do you have any suggestions to mitigate the damage? what shall I do
[12:37] <k1l> pleaseeheelp: its not easy to fix a car if you dont know what is broken.
[12:38] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: is upstart-sysv still installed?
[12:38] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: try sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt
[12:38] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: via root or livecd?
[12:38] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: via recovery root terminal*
[12:39] <EriC^^> livecd
[12:41] <pleaseeheelp> EriC^^: ok mounted, what now
[12:41] <EriC^^> grep -A2 "upstart-sysv" /mnt/var/lib/dpkg/status
[12:42] <EriC^^> look for status if it says installed
[12:42] <ioria> pleaseeheelp,  you're not on  vivid, right ?
[12:42] <EriC^^> which ubuntu is this btw? ^good question
[12:42] <ioria> he's vivid ....
[12:42] <MonkeyDust> pleaseeheelp  what's the output of   cat /etc/issue
[12:42] <easyOnMe> sorry to interrup
[12:42] <easyOnMe> interrupt
[12:42] <EriC^^> maybe not, why you say that from 3.19?
[12:42] <easyOnMe> but I just got this message: update-alternatives: warning: forcing reinstallation of alternative /usr/lib/notepadqq/notepadqq.sh because link group notepadqq is broken
[12:42] <easyOnMe> what does that mean
[12:43] <ioria> EriC^^, ye, no that pkg, on trusty
[12:43] <easyOnMe> I just tried to update notepaddqq
[12:43] <pleaseeheelp> EriC^^: it says package installe ok installed
[12:43] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: ok, remove it
[12:43] <pleaseeheelp> sudo apt-get remove upstart-sysv?
[12:43] <EriC^^> sudo apt-get purge upstart-sysv
[12:43] <EriC^^> wait
[12:43] <EriC^^> chroot first
[12:44] <EriC^^> for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[12:44] <EriC^^> sudo chroot /mnt and then "mount -a" and run it
[12:45] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: which ubuntu is this?
[12:45] <EriC^^> type cat /etc/issue in the chroot
[12:45] <pleaseeheelp> EriC^^: ok I did mount -a
[12:46] <pleaseeheelp> i think its 15.04 or 15.10, cant really remember
[12:46] <EriC^^> apt-get purge upstart-sysv
[12:46] <pleaseeheelp> ok purged
[12:46] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: cat /etc/issue
[12:47] <pleaseeheelp> 15.04
[12:47] <pleaseeheelp> it says Ubuntu 15.04 \n \l
[12:47] <ioria> !15.04 | pleaseeheelp
[12:47] <MonkeyDust> !15.04
[12:47] <EriC^^> you need to upgrade
[12:47] <pleaseeheelp> i have got this mint livecd is this one ok?
[12:47] <MonkeyDust> pleaseeheelp  your ubuntu is dead, that's why you're struggling so much
[12:47] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: we can't know
[12:48] <pleaseeheelp> which one should i get then?
[12:48] <MonkeyDust> pleaseeheelp  no, mint is too different from ubuntu, it's not supported here
[12:48] <EriC^^> download 16.04
[12:48] <easyOnMe> sorry to interrupt
[12:48] <k1l> a user needing support like you should not use mint.
[12:48] <easyOnMe> what does that mean
[12:48] <pleaseeheelp> i have ubuntu mate 16.04 iso on my mac
[12:48] <pleaseeheelp> is this one ok?
[12:49] <EriC^^> yeah
[12:49] <easyOnMe> update-alternatives: warning: forcing reinstallation of alternative /usr/lib/notepadqq/notepadqq.sh because link group notepadqq is broken
[12:49] <pleaseeheelp> ok, so I'll turn off the notebook thats hurt, and be back in 5mins after i create the liveusb
[12:49] <MonkeyDust> easyOnMe  notepad is a Windows thing, iirc
[12:50] <pleaseeheelp> EriC^^: but how do I perform the surgery on the patient without him forgetting everything? I mean I dont want to loose all the configs from my old ubuntu
[12:50] <easyOnMe> reason I am asking because whenever I open notepadqq it still says I am using the old version even though I just gave a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:50] <easyOnMe> not it is the notepad++ equivalent for Ubuntu OS
[12:50] <easyOnMe> MonkeyDust: no it is the notepad++ equivalent for Ubuntu OS
[12:50] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: backup everything, and save the list of installed programs
[12:50] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: are you still in the chroot ?
[12:50] <HelpMePLZ> I install mini Ubuntu now, and I want to install Openbox. I need Xorg, Alsamixer?
[12:51] <pleaseeheelp> EriC^^: crap eric, I just powered off that laptop
[12:51] <HelpMePLZ> And grub?
[12:51] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: np, make the live usb and then backup and everything from there
[12:51] <ioria> HelpMePLZ, you need xorg xinit openbox and a dmm, if you want
[12:52] <ioria> *display manager
[12:52] <ioria> HelpMePLZ, lxdm or lightdm are ok
[12:52] <HelpMePLZ> ioria, and just sudo apt-get install openbox?
[12:52] <ioria> HelpMePLZ,  xorg , xinit openbox
[12:53] <HelpMePLZ> ioria, other will be installed automatical?
[12:53] <ioria> HelpMePLZ,  other what ?
[12:53] <HelpMePLZ> xorg xinit...
[12:53] <HelpMePLZ> If Ill install openbox
[12:53] <easyOnMe> MonkeyDust: I am referring to the IDE notepadqq it is not the windows notepad
[12:54] <ioria> HelpMePLZ,  no, you need fist xorg   sudo apt-get install xorg
[12:54] <ioria> HelpMePLZ,   you can simulate the installation with apt-get -s install xorg
[12:54] <MonkeyDust> easyOnMe  contact this person ... https://launchpad.net/~danieleds0
[12:54] <HelpMePLZ> ioria, thz you
[12:54] <HelpMePLZ> thx
[12:54] <yc003> sdlkf
[12:55] <ioria> HelpMePLZ,   no proble, mini.iso is tricky
[12:55] <HelpMePLZ> ioria, and what about Core?
[12:55] <HelpMePLZ> ioria, Ubuntu Core
[12:55] <ioria> HelpMePLZ,   not familiar with it... sorry
[12:56] <easyOnMe> MonkeyDust: thanks
[12:57] <rightshift> Does ubuntu still support placing boot scripts in /etc/init.rd/ or /etc/rc.d/init.d as of 16.04?
[12:57] <rightshift> Or does it now need to be Systemd?
[12:59] <HelpMePLZ> ioria, sudo apt-get install xorg xinit lightdm openbox ddm   Only it?
[12:59] <ioria> HelpMePLZ,   no... ddm was a typo , i meant dm (display manager)
[13:00] <HelpMePLZ> ioria, oh
[13:00] <ioria> HelpMePLZ,   sudo apt-get install xorg xinit ... then you test it , after install lightdm and openbox
[13:00] <HelpMePLZ> ioria, I see here list Choose software to install
[13:00] <ioria> HelpMePLZ,   where ?
[13:00] <HelpMePLZ> ioria, okey
[13:01] <HelpMePLZ> ioria, mini install
[13:01] <ioria> HelpMePLZ,   oh, you are still installing ?
[13:01] <HelpMePLZ> * standart system utilities only
[13:01] <HelpMePLZ> ioria, yes
[13:02] <ioria> HelpMePLZ,   complete the install... i don't think you can install openbox from there
[13:03] <zixradoom> hello
[13:03] <ioria> HelpMePLZ,  don't add anything else or it 'll you keep you forever  ( abit slow)
[13:03] <HelpMePLZ> ioria, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:03] <zixradoom> hello BluesKaj
[13:04] <ioria> HelpMePLZ,  as i said, not familiar with core
[13:04] <KeithWeisshar> when is ubuntu 16.04.1 coming out?
[13:04] <BluesKaj> hi zixradoom
[13:04] <cerion> hi. Why do I have a "CPU 4%" showing next to my multiload indicator in the systray , now ? I never got that never changed is config and remove it either because it is to be configurable ?
[13:04] <ioria> HelpMePLZ,  are you installing that or mini.iso ?
[13:04] <HelpMePLZ> ioria, I just not see iso there
[13:04] <ioria> !mini | HelpMePLZ
[13:05] <HelpMePLZ> ioria, grub installing
[13:06] <ioria> HelpMePLZ,  you mean this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot
[13:07] <HelpMePLZ> ioria, no
[13:07] <HelpMePLZ> ioria, I installed
[13:07] <ioria> HelpMePLZ,  i lost you ... core or mini.iso ?
[13:08] <HelpMePLZ> ioria, mini
[13:08] <HelpMePLZ> ioria, I not found iso Core
[13:08] <ioria> HelpMePLZ, you have mini now installed... what's the problem ?
[13:09] <KeithWeisshar> what's the release date for 16.04.1 lts?
[13:09] <ioria> today
[13:09] <KeithWeisshar> at what time?
[13:09] <ioria> idk
[13:09] <OerHeks> KeithWeisshar, within 24 hrs, no time is set AFAIK
[13:10] <KeithWeisshar> i'm having a flickering issue with llvmpipe when i try to use it in live mode
[13:10] <KeithWeisshar> i have skylake
[13:11] <PrincessBob> anyone have a url....  to help a noob set up openvpn for my vpn in mint?
[13:11] <KeithWeisshar> there is a problem when using the original on skylake
[13:12] <OerHeks> PrincessBob, the mint channel knows howto use networkmanager and vpn
[13:12] <PrincessBob> oh... therei is a mint channel?
[13:12] <k1l> !mint | PrincessBob
[13:12] <PrincessBob> i didnt know that.. thats how new to linux and all that I am...
[13:13] <PrincessBob> ty K1rk
[13:13] <k1l> its the standard channel on all mint irc programs. so dont be too surprised
[13:13] <PrincessBob> well im new to the entire linux thing...
[13:14] <HelpMePLZ> ioria, rebooted
[13:15] <HelpMePLZ> ioria, I in console
[13:15] <HelpMePLZ> ioria, xorg xinit
[13:15] <OerHeks> PrincessBob, i would believe you, if you weren't here before, 10 times.
[13:18] <HelpMePLZ> ioria, where you?
[13:19] <Demented-Idiot> is 16.04.1 being released today?
[13:20] <k1l> Demented-Idiot: yes, sometime during the afternoon
[13:20] <Demented-Idiot> k1l thanks - im just waiting for my mirror to get hammered :D
[13:20] <pleaseeheelp> EriC^^: hey i tried once again just to reboot and now i get a different bootlader and a black screen
[13:20] <MonkeyDust> Demented-Idiot  yes, it's here, lsb_release shows it
[13:22] <pleaseeheelp> EriC^^: and now I can login to text mode via ctrl + alt + f1
[13:22] <dm_comp> join #ubuntu-motu
[13:23] <pleaseeheelp> EriC^^: the terminal looks mint-ish though
[13:23] <k1l> pleaseeheelp: what is the output of "lsb_release -d"?
[13:24] <pleaseeheelp> k1l: ubuntu 15.04
[13:24] <MonkeyDust> pleaseeheelp  your ubuntu is dead, that's why you're struggling so much
[13:24] <pleaseeheelp> k1l: but like i said I didnt do anything yet, just rebooted for the one last time after we fiddled with my mint livecd
[13:25] <pleaseeheelp> MoneyDust: But I just need it to work its my 'job' laptop not private one
[13:25] <MonkeyDust> pleaseeheelp  that doesnt make it less dead
[13:26] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: you mean you can't upgrade?
[13:26] <pleaseeheelp> EriC^^: I can upgrade if i wont loose any data
[13:27] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: and the person you're contracting for? some programs might lose configs etc
[13:27] <EriC^^> some might not even be available anymore
[13:27] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: im contracting for a large bank ;)
[13:27] <EriC^^> how's that relevant
[13:27] <OerHeks> if you don't have backups of your data, it is not important.
[13:28] <MonkeyDust> pleaseeheelp  then your bank uses an ubuntu that doesnt get security updates anymore
[13:28] <pleaseeheelp> Eric^^: I have nothing of value on the computer because everything is backed up, but I have got the configs that allow me to work from home, and i wont be back at work till monday
[13:28] <HelpMePLZ> Ubuntu Installer can install and configure at the same time, and Ubuntu Mini can't do it, here need to configure and only then need install.
[13:28] <pleaseeheelp> MonkeyDust: It doesnt use it, I myself have chosen the distro etc.
[13:29] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: then use it til monday
[13:29] <pleaseeheelp> MonkeyDust: I cant as it doesn't boot up
[13:29] <MonkeyDust> pleaseeheelp  fair enough, but still, get a supported ubuntu release, then ask again
[13:29] <pleaseeheelp> MonkeyDust: Ok so my question is how to i upgrade without loosing my stuff
[13:29] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: your stuff is as vague as it gets
[13:29] <MonkeyDust> pleaseeheelp  backup first
[13:29] <pleaseeheelp> MonkeyDust: is there such a way?
[13:29] <EriC^^> you should know
[13:30] <HelpMePLZ> Failed to start session
[13:30] <MonkeyDust> !eolupgrade | pleaseeheelp
[13:31] <HelpMePLZ> ioria,  Failed to start session
[13:32] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: from tty1 if you do sudo service lightdm restart what happens?
[13:32] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: try to boot the older kernel this time
[13:33] <pleaseeheelp> EriC^^:  after sudo service lightdm restart
[13:33] <pleaseeheelp> EriC^^:  i get a window saying system problem detected
[13:34] <DArqueBishop> pleaseeheelp: don't you have backups of the remote access config files?
[13:34] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: ok, autologin is enabled?
[13:34] <kappa1> hi
[13:34] <pleaseeheelp> EriC^^:  it is not, but I athenticate myself when i press ctrl + alt + f1 for the text mode
[13:35] <kappa1> I connected my android phone with an sd card to my computer. How can I see what dev it is?
[13:35] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: ok, type DISPLAY=:1 startx unity
[13:37] <tme5> ubuntu is kill?
[13:37] <DArqueBishop> tme5: beg pardon?
[13:37] <pleaseeheelp> EriC^^:  it worked
[13:37] <tme5> 0% [Connecting to gb.archive.ubuntu.com (91.189.88.152)] [Connecting to archive.canonical.com (91.189.92.150)]
[13:37] <EriC^^> pleaseeheelp: ok
[13:38] <tme5> ah, i'm back up
[13:38] <MonkeyDust> pleaseeheelp  are you in? if so, first backup personal data to a safe place
[13:39] <HelpMePLZ> ioria, whare you?
[13:39] <kappa1> how can I completely wipe an sd card?
[13:39] <pleaseeheelp> EriC^^:  there is this xterm window though that if i close, i go straight back to text mode
[13:39] <HelpMePLZ> I in Openbox but Menu no work
[13:39] <Thinker_> may i ask a question about libre office here?  I think pro users could helpme out
[13:40] <MonkeyDust> Thinker_  libre office has its own channel
[13:40] <Thinker_> kappa1, using disks tool
[13:40] <kappa1> Thinker_, what tool?
[13:41] <Thinker_> MonkeyDust,  they are less active than this channel, I think nobody speaks there
[13:41] <Thinker_> kappa1,  Disks
[13:41] <Thinker_> its name of the took kappa1
[13:41] <kappa1> ok
[13:41] <pleaseeheelp> MonkeyDust: is there some software to help me to create a 1 to 1 backup of everything including configs
[13:42] <kappa1> Thinker_, the problem is that the sd card is inside my android phone, which is connected via usb to the computer, and disks is not detecting it
[13:42] <Andrzej> pleaseeheelp: dd , rsync , depends for what
[13:42] <k1l> kappa1: that will not work. you need to wipe it from android then
[13:42] <DArqueBishop> pleaseeheelp: if you have networking working on the laptop, rsync will work. Otherwise, if you have an external drive, "cp -a" works too.
[13:42] <kappa1> k1l, how?
[13:42] <k1l> kappa1: #android will help
[13:43] <ubuntu-mate> hey, i am new here, can some one tell me if it is a good idea to dual boot my win8.1 and ubuntu mate ??
[13:43] <k1l> kappa1: you need to put the sdcard into a device running ubuntu if you want to wipe it with ubuntu
[13:44] <MonkeyDust> ubuntu-mate  sure, if you like both
[13:45] <ubuntu-mate> yea cuz i cant play my games on um but i like this design
[13:45] <kappa1> ok, thanks
[13:47] <rafalcpp> trusty is a creepy name for a distribution, it sounds like a guy telling you to get into his van  ;P
[13:48] <zacktu> I have installed postgresql 9.3 (the default for Ubuntu) on a Ubuntu 14.04 system.   I thought that the install script included setting up a user named postgres and starting the server.  If I enter "sudo su postgres" the error message is "No passwd entry for user 'postgres'".  What to do now?
[13:48] <SchrodingersScat> I had a package I was using that had a bunch of dependencies.  I want to remove the package but keep the dependencies (for a more manual install) and was wondering what the easiest way to do that was (so it doesn't autoremove)
[13:51] <HelpMePLZ> Openbox menu no work
[13:51] <nikolark> zacktu: sudo pg_createcluster 9.3 main --start
[13:52] <christian_> Hello
[13:52] <OerHeks> SchrodingersScat, i think 'dpkg -r <package>' does the trick, else 'dpkg -r --force-all <package>'
[13:52] <zacktu> nikolark: I tried that and get the message "User postgresql does not exist"
[13:53] <zacktu> nikolark: I tried just now
[13:53] <SchrodingersScat> OerHeks: great, thanks, i'll read the man page
[13:54] <nikolark> zacktu: mayby try reinstall
[13:54] <nikolark> apt install postgresql --reinstall
[13:54] <nikolark> and look for errors
[13:57] <HelpMePLZ> Openbox menu no work Mini Ubuntu
[13:59] <zacktu> nikolark: OK here goes ....
[13:59] <v1s> I am running 16.04 trying to do internet connection sharing but cant seem to get any of the clients to see past the lan. Here is my iptables script http://pastebin.com/XAcyTH1i any idea what I am doing wrong ?
[14:00] <MonkeyDust> pleaseeheelp  there's rsync on the command line, and grsync, if you prefer a GUI
[14:03] <cireb1925> hello world
[14:04] <HelpMePLZ> How to install Openbox/
[14:04] <DolanTrump> help huuge problems
[14:04] <SchrodingersScat> !openbox
[14:04] <zacktu> nikolark: I used your statement -- no errors -- I've been redirecting output to a file so I could look for errors.    I have the same messages when I try to start postgres.  Last night I watched a youtube video and saw that the install creates a postgres user and starts the server.  BTW in order to make certain I was starting from scratch I followed instructions for removing postgresql...
[14:04] <zacktu> ...completely: rm -rf /etc/postgresql; rm -rf /etc/postgresql -comon; rm -rf /var/lib/postgresql.
[14:04] <SchrodingersScat> !ask | DolanTrump
[14:05] <DolanTrump> I want to upgrade a 14.10 unicorn ubuntu to a newer version but all the repositories dont exist anymore
[14:05] <DolanTrump> i get only tons of errors
[14:05] <SchrodingersScat> !eol | DolanTrump, yeah, you're a bit late on that
[14:05] <MonkeyDust> DolanTrump  backup and fresh install 14.04 or 16.04
[14:05] <SchrodingersScat> !14.10 | DolanTrump
[14:06] <DolanTrump> does a fresh install remove all my data?
[14:06] <OerHeks> 14.04 > 15.04 (eol) > 15.10 ( few days left) > 16.04 ... i would do fresh install, DolanTrump
[14:06] <MonkeyDust> DolanTrump  backup, first
[14:06] <OerHeks> if you don't have backups of your data, it is not important.
[14:06] <DolanTrump> how about downgrading to 14.04 htats still supported right
[14:07] <OerHeks> DolanTrump, no, never was supported.
[14:07] <OerHeks> downgrading = fresh install too
[14:07] <DArqueBishop> 14.04 is supported, but downgrading is not only not supported, it's a Bad Idea in general.
[14:07] <DArqueBishop> Back up your data, then wipe/reload.
[14:07] <DolanTrump> ok, well then, but it sucks how they just delete the repositories
[14:08] <MonkeyDust> DolanTrump  yes, 14.04 is supported until 2019, 16.04 is supported until 2021
[14:08] <OerHeks> DolanTrump, 'just' was months ago ..
[14:08] <mcphail> DolanTrump: there has been a lot of time to upgrade
[14:09] <MonkeyDust> DolanTrump  otherwise, everyone should be familiar with all the different old releases
[14:10] <DolanTrump> i dont get though why it would need the old repositories when I want to upgrde to 16.04
[14:11] <OerHeks> !eolupgrade
[14:12] <OerHeks> this is a old-release trick, but only for upgrading or test purpose.
[14:12] <OerHeks> i would do fresh install, 3 times upgrading takes a whole day
[14:13] <v1s> is there anything in 16.04 thats blocking connection sharing by default?
[14:13] <DolanTrump> maybe i just save my data and try that eolupgrade trick worst case I have to do fresh install which i would have to do anyways
[14:13] <fl0k1> o/
[14:14] <mcphail> DolanTrump: if you have backed up your data, you can try a simple reinstall of a newer version. It will attempt to preserve the contents of your home folder
[14:15] <dippu> i need command to install vlc
[14:15] <MonkeyDust> dippu  apt install  vlc
[14:15] <fl0k1> sudo apt-get install vlc :D
[14:15] <OerHeks> dippu, open softwarecenter , search vlc
[14:15] <dippu> thank you
[14:23] <nikolark> zacktu: what does `id postgres` say?
[14:25] <v1s> is there some way to see whats blocking access from the lan to get out?
[14:28] <ouroumov_> v1s, traceroute 8.8.8.8 'll show you the successive gateways
[14:28] <zacktu> nikolark: id: postgres: no such user
[14:32] <zokko> hi guys
[14:32] <zokko> does anyone have PAGE_SIZE 64k in Ubuntu?
[14:32] <zokko> is there any ready-for-it kernel?
[14:33] <nikolark> what about `grep postgres /etc/passwd` and `grep passwd /etc/nsswitch.conf`
[14:35] <zacktu> the first grep gives nothing -- the second one give "passwd:         compat"
[14:36] <MonkeyDust> zokko  what's page_size 64k
[14:36] <joelio> zacktu: what does 'apt-cache policy postgresql' say?
[14:39] <zacktu> joelio: http://paste.fedoraproject.org/393565/11195014/
[14:39] <MonkeyDust> fedora?
[14:42] <zacktu> MonkeyDust: That happens to be the paste link suggested for another group.  I see that this group suggests paste.ubuntu.com.  I'll use it.
[14:45] <joelio> zacktu: so, to recap, you've purged it out previosuly and tried to reinstall? As part of the dpkg installation the postgres user is created.. however I've ran into issues before when doing similar when not purging all the packages (postgres is a metapackage, so may not have removed postgresql-server etc). Also the dbconfigure can happen and if not pruged, then never reran, even after a reinstall
[14:46] <bulletxt> hi, does someone know if I can instlal deb packages of 3.16.36-trusty on ubuntu 10.04?          http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v3.16.36-trusty/
[14:47] <joelio> zacktu: if it's possible, try a 'dpkg -l postgresql*' and purge out all the files it's listed as 'ii' in the first column
[14:48] <joelio> apt-get purge postgresql* - could do it
[14:48] <MonkeyDust> bulletxt  10.04 is dead
[14:48] <bulletxt> MonkeyDust: my server is alive
[14:48] <xangua> joelio: no, also 10.04 is unsupported
[14:48] <xangua> bulletxt:
[14:48] <joelio> ?
[14:48] <joelio> :)
[14:49] <bulletxt> xangua: so I can't install those deb on 10.04?
[14:49] <MonkeyDust> !10.04 | bulletxt
[14:49] <bulletxt> my server is alive, I need to know if those deb can  be installed on ubuntu 10,04
[14:49] <bulletxt> its either yes or no
[14:49] <bulletxt> :)
[14:49] <OerHeks> bulletxt, is this for real?
[14:50] <bulletxt> OerHeks: sure
[14:50] <zacktu> joelio: I've purged postgresql, but not with the asterisk.  I'll do that.  BTW postgresql works fine on another computer.
[14:52] <bulletxt> I just need an updated kernel, not sure if those packages are compatible. Ill check them out anyways
[14:52] <OerHeks> no more zombie servers on the internet, please
[14:53] <neil__> why does the 16.04 ltsp-build-client try to install grub?  how do I get it to not error and finish?
[14:54] <joelio> zacktu: yea, that's another computer, it works fine on mine too :) Try that purge out.. then reinstall.. that process shoudl rerun the dpkg hooks needed to create the user
[14:54] <rattking> bulletxt yes that should work, however you really should consider upgrading to a release still getting security patches.. also you may or may not notice some things missing from the upstream mainline packages
[14:55] <bulletxt> rattking: it should? dependencies are ok?
[14:56] <rattking> I dont think the kernel images have much for dependencies.. usually just linux-firmware
[15:00] <bulletxt> rattking: ok ill try intsalling it in a bit lets see what happens
[15:01] <SchrodingersScat> OerHeks: seems to have moved them into autoremove ;(
[15:02] <SchrodingersScat> OerHeks: i'll just install them
[15:02] <OerHeks> SchrodingersScat, loose dependencies?
[15:02] <SchrodingersScat> yeah
[15:03] <OerHeks> SchrodingersScat, that would be logical, i guess.
[15:04] <HelpMePLZ> How to install Openbox?
[15:04] <Danne-> Hi! anyone here that rocks on mdadm? I have a problem with a exisisting array. mdadm has set 2 of my drives ad removed (RAID 6) and i cannot add them to the array again, anyone has sugestions?
[15:04] <OerHeks> !openbox
[15:05] <zacktu> joelio: The purge worked.  The install created a cluster and started the server.  The command "sudo su postgres" started a new shell with username "postgres".  Thank you.
[15:10] <joelio> zacktu: any time dude :
[15:10] <joelio> :)
[15:12] <samadhi_> Hi there, Can anybody tell me one tool for recorder my session and put messages, its for a videotutorial, Im using Kazam
[15:12] <samadhi_>  But I dont have idea whith what tool can I put messages for a guide inside the recorder
[15:14] <jfcaron> I installed Ubuntu 16.04 LTS on a desktop and I am surprised by the “automatically unmount your home directory” feature.  How can I turn it off?
[15:15] <MonkeyDust> samadhi_  you can use any vieo editor to add comments
[15:15] <MonkeyDust> video
[15:15] <samadhi_> MonkeyDust, Like openshot?
[15:15] <MonkeyDust> samadhi_  guess so
[15:15] <joelio> samadhi_: do you need them to be live on screen, or add them later post-production?
[15:16] <neil__> why does the 16.04 ltsp-build-client try to install grub?  how do I get it to not error and finish?
[15:16] <samadhi_> joelio I need make a videotutorial for a software, Imagine that put messages is a good idea for a user guide
[15:17] <vlt> Danne-: Can you show us /proc/mdstat?
[15:17] <MonkeyDust> samadhi_  in openshot, i see no option to add text balloons
[15:17] <mcphail> samadhi_: obs studio is a good one
[15:17] <Danne-> vlt: it shows clean,degraded and active sync on all but 2 drives that shows as "removed"
[15:17] <samadhi_> mcphail, thanks I 'll see it
[15:18] <Danne-> vlt: superblocks seems OK, and everything else seems OK
[15:18] <Danne-> vlt: i hope that i can just add tem to the array again
[15:18] <vlt> Danne-: To me that doesn’t look like the output of `cat /proc/mdstat`
[15:18] <SchrodingersScat> OerHeks: oi, all messed up now ;(
[15:18] <Danne-> vlt: there isnt mutch more thats important?
[15:18] <samadhi_> MonkeyDust, me too I dont see the option, I'll follow searching
[15:18] <vlt> Danne-: Fine.
[15:19] <Danne-> ok?
[15:20] <SchrodingersScat> OerHeks: nevermind, it's fine, thanks.
[15:21] <Darkwell> Hey there , I choosed other install option to be able to install ubuntu 14.04 again after an accedental overwrite of /etc... I picked partitions as it was before... Now I wonder if the instsller will overwrite the /home dir or if its just safe ?
[15:22] <joelio> samadhi_: yea, so if you don't need OSD live, then record desktop using tool of choice (personally I'd go ffmpeg, but that's not a massive issue). Then use a non-linear editor to add captions. Lightworks has a free license now http://www.lwks.com/, but others (LiVES, Openshot etc) could work
[15:22] <xangua> Darkwell: do you have a separate partition for /home?
[15:22] <joelio> samadhi_:  Pitivi is the gnome one
[15:23] <Danne-> vlt: sent it over in pm to you
[15:23] <Darkwell> The /home has too much data for mu usb stick to backup , so i picked non formatting install
[15:23] <samadhi_> joelio, thanks for the answer, I 'll see the non-linear editor for add captions
[15:23] <Darkwell> Xangua only /usr /tmp swap and /
[15:24] <Thinker_> can anybody tell when is first point going to release for 16.04
[15:24] <MonkeyDust> Thinker_  i already have it, should be available for you, too, soon
[15:24] <joelio> samadhi_: of course, things like Youtube have built in tools for that - but then it's proprietary
[15:24] <Darkwell> Does the installer run any rm- rf ?
[15:24] <Thinker_> ok thanks MonkeyDust
[15:24] <MonkeyDust> Thinker_  any moment now, i guess
[15:24] <nrdb> Thinker_, it always happens when the next release happens ... that is after 6 months
[15:25] <Thinker_> MonkeyDust,  not listed on website official
[15:25] <Thinker_> nrdb,  official roadmap tells 3 months, that is 21 aug
[15:25] <Thinker_> 21 july
[15:25] <Danne-> vlt: seems to be ok to me
[15:25] <MonkeyDust> Thinker_  lsb_release -d ... Description:Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS
[15:26] <nrdb> Thinker_, ok
[15:26] <DJones> Thinker_: In theory, today according tothe planned release schedule
[15:26] <Thinker_> thanks all
[15:30] <HelpMePLZ> How to install Openbox?
[15:30] <MonkeyDust> HelpMePLZ  suo apt install openbox
[15:30] <joelio> !openbox
[15:30] <MonkeyDust> sudo *
[15:30] <HelpMePLZ> not work
[15:30] <HelpMePLZ> menu no work
[15:31] <HelpMePLZ> mouse right click on the desktop
[15:31] <MonkeyDust> HelpMePLZ  do you want to install it, or to configure it
[15:31] <HelpMePLZ> MonkeyDust, I installed it
[15:31] <HelpMePLZ> MonkeyDust, but menu no work
[15:31] <HelpMePLZ> MonkeyDust, what to do?
[15:31] <joelio> openbox needs (generally) a lot more configuration
[15:32] <HelpMePLZ> MonkeyDust, I added odconf and other packages
[15:32] <MonkeyDust> HelpMePLZ  read some more about openbox
[15:32] <HelpMePLZ> MonkeyDust, I readed
[15:32] <HelpMePLZ> MonkeyDust, nothing no help to me
[15:33] <HelpMePLZ> Mini Ubuntu
[15:34] <strayArch> where does xorg-server-source install to
[15:34] <marcosdissotti> hi
[15:34] <joelio> HelpMePLZ: did you read the ubuntu page on it?
[15:34] <joelio> !openbox
[15:34] <HelpMePLZ> Yes
[15:34] <nrdb> I have been trying to setup ltsp ... why does ltsp-build-client try to install grub? ... when it tries to setup grub it errors, and fails.. how can I stop it.
[15:34] <marcosdissotti> hi?
[15:36] <joelio> nrdb: is that as part of the automated process? the debconf questions allow you to skip it usually (I have done it this week in fact on a headless box)
[15:37] <nacc> nrdb: i wonder if it has to do with thin client pxe booting, or something?
[15:38] <nrdb> joelio, it is part of setting the network booting thin client... the client downloads the environment setup by ltsp-build-client does all the setup for this to work.
[15:39] <HelpMePLZ> Openbox not work
[15:40] <nacc> strayArch: /usr/src/xorg-server.tar.xz
[15:40] <strayArch> nacc, thanks ^_^
[15:41] <nacc> strayArch: in the future `dpkg -L <pkgname>` or `apt-file list <pkgname>`
[15:49] <asgharpolo> dgdg
[15:49] <gabrieldissotti> oi
[15:49] <nrdb> I have been trying to setup ltsp ... why does ltsp-build-client try to install grub? (surely it is needed)... when it tries to setup grub it errors, and fails.. how can I stop it.
[15:51] <joelio> nrdb: this is for ltsp-build-client - a fat client?
[15:51] <joelio> as a fat client will need grub.. a thin won't as it'll PXE boot
[15:51] <nrdb> joelio, it build the environment for a thin client.
[15:52] <joelio> nrdb:  what commands are you running, I'll run in a vm
[15:52] <nrdb> oops my small mistake
[15:52] <nrdb> I have been trying to setup ltsp ... why does ltsp-build-client try to install grub? (surely it is not needed)... when it tries to setup grub it errors, and fails.. how can I stop it.
[15:53] <joelio> nrdb: ok, sure, but what commands have your run?
[15:53] <joelio> need to reproduce to check
[15:54] <nrdb> I tried to setup a blacklist for the grub packages in the chroot but that didn't appear to work.
[15:55] <nrdb> joelio, I did an "apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone" ... "ltsp-build-client --arch i386"
[16:10] <gdev>  which filesystem should i go for mainly video content and pictures?  (80% ubuntu in use, 20% other, should be able to watch on win7 aswell).  Ext3/4?  I thought of not using NTFS because it slows down on lnx machines
[16:10] <nacc> gdev: NTFS is a windows filesystem
[16:11] <Fuchs> gdev: if both have to read and write: maybe ExFat, recent Ubuntu versions can do that ootb with a userspace driver, Windows newer than XP should be able to do it ootb as well
[16:11] <rypervenche> gdev: You can do ext4 and then create a samba mount to access it from Windows.
[16:11] <Fuchs> gdev: to access Ext on Windows you'd need an additional driver
[16:12] <Fuchs> gdev: in either case: do not use any of these for partitions that are used by linux, such as the / or /home ones
[16:12] <nacc> gdev: oh you meant the same machine booted to either ubuntu or windows?
[16:12] <gdev> no, no boot partition, or fixed mount.   its about videos, pictures, transcoding, and copying/writing files
[16:13] <gdev> exfat: can most systems nowaday handle that? mix of ext3 and fat32?
[16:15] <sloppijo> I am having network problems.  Wireless connection is strong, but Internet signal comes and goes randomly.  It's an office router set up with WEP.
[16:22] <FredTheNoob> Hi, I'm wondering if gnome 3.20 already is on Ubuntu?
[16:23] <ikonia> FredTheNoob: https://www.gnome.org/getting-gnome/
[16:23] <krabador> 16.04 have gnome 3.16
[16:23] <krabador> *3.18
[16:24] <OerHeks> FredTheNoob, no, only available by PPA:gnome3-team http://www.webupd8.org/2016/04/how-to-install-gnome-320-in-ubuntu.html
[16:24] <FredTheNoob> thks guys
[16:24] <OerHeks> but then you are on your own
[16:24] <krabador> distros with default gnome 3.20 , are rolling , or fedora
[16:24] <FredTheNoob> do you know when will release an official
[16:25] <nacc> FredTheNoob: an official what?
[16:25] <FredTheNoob> gnome 3.20
[16:26] <ikonia> FredTheNoob: it won't happen
[16:26] <ikonia> it will be a later ubuntu release
[16:26] <FredTheNoob> how's that? won't happen?
[16:26] <nacc> FredTheNoob: it appears to be in debian testing/unstable, so maybe 16.10, maybe 17.04
[16:26] <FredTheNoob> Ohhh i see
[16:26] <nacc> FredTheNoob: released version of pacakges aren't upgraded (so 16.04 will be 3.18 forever)
[16:27] <FredTheNoob> ok ok
[16:27] <ikonia> FredTheNoob: do you really need 3.20 ?
[16:27] <ikonia> or do you want it because it's "later"
[16:28] <SonikkuAmerica> Does 15.10 reach EOL today as well? It's been 9 months...
[16:28] <gdev> 3.20 breaks everything again, like every time..
[16:28] <nacc> SonikkuAmerica: 1 week from now (or so)
[16:28] <OerHeks> SonikkuAmerica, no, 1 week to go
[16:28] <SonikkuAmerica> danke
[16:29] <FredTheNoob> things like mail options, etc.. I already have... but  I remember that on 3.18 are not working well
[16:29] <MonkeyDust> "remember"?
[16:30] <FredTheNoob> So i gonna install an fresh ubuntu on new drive.. "remember" because actually can't use it
[16:31] <FredTheNoob> thks guys
[16:34] <mrinal> my laptop won't shutdown automatically
[16:35] <Dropbox> !ops
[16:35] <Dropbox> !ops
[16:35] <Dropbox> !ops
[16:35] <Dropbox> !ops
[16:35] <Dropbox> !ops
[16:35] <mrinal> please suggest accordingly
[16:35] <Fuchs> mrinal: hi, define "automatically"
[16:35] <Fuchs> what command are you trying?
[16:35] <Fuchs> and what does it do instead?
[16:35] <mrinal> from the GUI
[16:35] <Fuchs> so you do hit shutdown, but it doesn't?
[16:36] <mrinal> or even tried from the bash prompt
[16:36] <mrinal> i have to manually press the shutdown button
[16:36] <mrinal> earlier that wasnt the case
[16:36] <Fuchs> which command did you try in the bash prompt?   sudo shutdown -h now
[16:36] <mrinal> yup. tried that
[16:37] <mrinal> didnt work thou
[16:37] <MonkeyDust> mrinal  sudo init 0
[16:37] <mrinal> tried that
[16:37] <MonkeyDust> mrinal  then start from the beginning, ubuntu version, what have you tried, what are the symptoms, etc
[16:38] <mrinal> surprisingly, ubuntu starts without complaining about an unclean shutdown
[16:38] <mrinal> i'm using lubuntu 14.04 LTS
[16:39] <mrinal> tried to mess with some config files without proper info
[16:40] <mrinal> can i reinstall without loss of data ?
[16:40] <MonkeyDust> mrinal  backup, first
[16:40] <OerHeks> good start to debug shutdown/acpi problems https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI
[16:40] <mrinal> ya, true
[16:40] <mrinal> i'll check that
[16:40] <MonkeyDust> the ubuntu.com homepage should show 'backup first', in capitals
[16:41] <mrinal> sure
[16:41] <mrinal> cant any expert suggest the remedy here ?
[16:43] <mrinal> BTW, is HDD better than SATA ?
[16:43] <GnomeKris> Doesn't 16.04.1 roll out today?
[16:44] <MonkeyDust> GnomeKris  yes, i already have it
[16:44] <compdoc> mrinal, hdd is sata
[16:44] <compdoc> you might mean ssd
[16:45] <GnomeKris> I just checked for it and It's not showing up. I have Long Term Updates option chosen in Software and Updates
[16:45] <mrinal> nope, HDD is PATA
[16:45] <MonkeyDust> GnomeKris  yes, any moment now, it will be available for you too
[16:45] <compdoc> no, pata is gone. all hdd are sata now
[16:45] <GnomeKris> So just keep checking back then. Thanks
[16:45] <mrinal> maybe i'm wrong here
[16:45] <mrinal> ok, thanx
[16:45] <nullsign> anyone an NTP expert?
[16:46] <ioria> mrinal, sudo halt -p   works ?
[16:46] <compdoc> sata faster and better than pata
[16:46] <nullsign> need to know how to define a standard time between synchronizing its system clock with the authoritative time server as “at least hourly”
[16:46] <nullsign> with NTP conf
[16:46] <nullsign> also, need to set a max allowable difference between system clock and authoritative clock
[16:47] <mrinal> ok, is semiconductor storage better than HDD ?
[16:47] <mrinal> if so, how ?
[16:47] <compdoc> ssd is much faster, but moreexpensive and smaller. hdd is still good for large storage
[16:48] <GnomeKris> I personally have one ssd for my OS, and have two HDD's. One for data, one fore steam games
[16:48] <mrinal> ok, but i'm told that SD storage wastes space
[16:48] <GnomeKris> Guess which has more stuff on it. hahaha
[16:48] <compdoc> if you get an ssd, install your system on it, and boot from it, you computer will be so much faster it will seem new
[16:49] <mrinal> but eventually, it'll slowdown
[16:49] <compdoc> naw
[16:49] <mrinal> sure, lemme try
[16:49] <compdoc> maybe if you fill it so that theres no room left. then it might slow down
[16:50] <mrinal> can we hot swap SD ? i think not
[16:50] <compdoc> I dont even hot swap hdd. never had the need for that
[16:50] <mrinal> hmmm.... just curious
[16:52] <mrinal> can someone suggest good FTP sites for downloading ebooks ?
[16:53] <paranoidabhi> hi
[16:53] <EriC^^> hi
[16:53] <mrinal> hi abhi
[16:53] <paranoidabhi> Is there a better way to achieve unattended upgrades than one I have tried here https://github.com/abhigenie92/unattended_upgrades_repos?
[16:54] <paranoidabhi> I basically want to upgrade everything regularly.
[16:54] <ducasse> mrinal: there is nothing that prevents you from hotswapping an ssd
[16:55] <mrinal> ok.... thanx for the info
[16:55] <mrinal> but my problem remains
[16:56] <mrinal> how can i shutdown my laptop automatically in ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[16:56] <mrinal> BRB
[16:57] <paranoidabhi> mrinal, I made mistake of buying hdd laptop. The boot time with kubuntu is frustrating. Will also swap but the reinstall makes me reluctant.
[16:57] <paranoidabhi> mrinal, what do you mean by automatic?
[16:59] <mrinal> by automatic i mean not touching the power off button
[17:00] <mrinal> earlier it used to shutdown "automatically" but i edited some config file and now it does'nt
[17:00] <paranoidabhi> mrinal, shutdown --help?
[17:00] <DMA> Hello
[17:00] <mrinal> ok, lemme try
[17:01] <ducasse> mrinal: have you heard the expression "you break it, you get to keep both pieces"? :)
[17:01] <mrinal> no, i havent
[17:02] <mrinal> i've heard, "you break it, its yours"
[17:02] <DMA> I came here last week because after updating 12.04 the wifi of my aunt's laptop stopped working. I figured out it was the driver. As Ben64 recommended, I changed the software updater to LTS only and managed to upgrade to 14.04
[17:03] <paranoidabhi> ducasse, hahaha.
[17:03] <DMA> The problem now is that every time after logging in, various error messages appear. I'm getting the exact error mesage now.
[17:04] <mrinal> whats so funny abhi ??
[17:04] <ducasse> mrinal: that's pretty much the situation you're in. you broke it, and you can't tell us how.
[17:06] <mrinal> yes
[17:06] <mrinal> but 1 sec
[17:06] <ducasse> mrinal: do you remember _which_ files?
[17:06] <mrinal> i can check the cmd history in bash
[17:06] <ducasse> mrinal: (files you edited, that is)
[17:06] <mrinal> yup
[17:06] <mrinal> lemme check
[17:07] <Bashing-om> mrinal: Perhaps in 'history' you will see what action you took that broke the system .. and can revert the change ?
[17:07] <supfcds> guys what irc clients do you use or can advise me ?
[17:08] <ducasse> supfcds: weechat
[17:08] <rypervenche> supfcds: For GUI, maybe hexchat. CLI, I love weechat.
[17:08] <supfcds> ok i note that
[17:08] <paranoidabhi> supfcds, hexchat
[17:08] <supfcds> weechat better than irssi ?
[17:09] <rypervenche> supfcds: It's colorful and has nice scripts/plugins that can do useful things.
[17:09] <Bashing-om> supfcds: I am happy with irssi for my client . (terminal based ) .
[17:10] <thomas_25> what is the recommended way of hardening Ubuntu 14? I've developing a server that orchestrates forking other processes. But apparently, it's not doing very well at orchestrating them as system becomes unresponsive.
[17:10] <thomas_25> is there a convenient way of hardening ubuntu for such scenarios other than me manually tweaking ulimit parameters
[17:11] <sloppijo> network connection strong, but internet is slow and unpredictable
[17:11] <Ice_Strike> I have Ubuntu how to upgrade php 5.6 to 7? I use nginx
[17:11] <ducasse> Ice_Strike: which ubuntu version?
[17:12] <Ice_Strike> ducasse I forgot, let me check
[17:12] <paranoidabhi> mrinal, one extreme solution. If you know which packages' config files you edited. Purge it and reinstall.
[17:12] <Ice_Strike> ducasse 14
[17:12] <mrinal> /etc/default/grub
[17:13] <ducasse> Ice_Strike: upgrade to 16.04.
[17:13] <ducasse> mrinal: did you add something to the kernel command line? what is it now?
[17:13] <Ice_Strike> ducasse and then?
[17:13] <mrinal> how do i do that without losing my data
[17:13] <ducasse> Ice_Strike: that will upgrade php.
[17:14] <Ice_Strike> ducasse How do I upgrade to 16?
[17:14] <mrinal> i did but unfortunately i dont remember what it was
[17:14] <paranoidabhi> mrinal, what is exactly the problem?
[17:14] <ducasse> Ice_Strike: 16.04.01 wa released today, so as soon as it hits your mirror you should be prompted if you want to upgrade.
[17:14] <mrinal> i was trying to find the number of cores my processor has and edit the config files to match that
[17:15] <thomas_25> is there be a channel for linux security?
[17:15] <ducasse> mrinal: why?
[17:15] <paranoidabhi> is 16.10 coming with a new qt version?
[17:15] <mrinal> i remember typing "cpucores=4" in one config file
[17:15] <mrinal> i was trying to speed-up my system
[17:16] <compdoc> sounds like its time to start over with a fresh install, then leave it alone
[17:16] <mrinal> i keep doing silly things all the time
[17:16] <ducasse> compdoc: +1
[17:16] <OerHeks> !ltsupgrade
[17:16] <mrinal> so, reinstalling will erase ALL my files ?
[17:16] <ducasse> mrinal: just reinstall. backup first.
[17:17] <mrinal> ok
[17:17] <mrinal> i'll do so
[17:17] <BluesKaj>  that's today btw
[17:17] <mcphail> mrinal: a reinstall can try to keep /home, but always have a backup anyway
[17:18] <mrinal> can i keep /home ??? that'll be great! but how ?
[17:19] <mrinal> a back-up is simply a copy+ paste operation right ?
[17:19] <DMA> mrinal: if it's on a specific partition, you can tell the installer to mount it on /home, if you have it inside the partition where / is mount, gotta make an external backup
[17:19] <DMA> In any case, backup
[17:19] <mrinal> i'll do that to another system
[17:19] <mrinal> ok, i will
[17:20] <mrinal> but how can i reinstall without losing /home ?
[17:20] <compdoc> backup home
[17:20] <mrinal> ok
[17:21] <mrinal> a backup is only a copy, right ? so, it'll take-up an equal amount of space on my HDD
[17:21] <BluesKaj> if you upgrade from 14.04 it can be done over the 'net
[17:22] <mrinal> well, thats OK
[17:22] <BluesKaj> no need for clean install
[17:23] <mrinal> ok
[17:23] <ducasse> BluesKaj: he's screwed up his system.
[17:23] <paranoidabhi> I want to change from hdd to sdd with no extra drive to backup to. I am looking for a simple tutorial that prevents reinstall.
[17:23] <mrinal> any specific option to select ?
[17:23] <mcphail> mrinal: the installer can try to keep /home, whether or not it is on a different partition
[17:23] <BluesKaj> ducasse, ok , I should have guessed
[17:25] <mrinal> ok folks.... thanx for your help... its late here.... gotto get some sleep.... bye
[17:26] <ducasse> paranoidabhi: are both drives connected at the same time?
[17:27] <paranoidabhi> ducasse, Right now I am running the laptop via a hdd. I think can connect the sdd via a usb. So yes.
[17:28] <mrinal> abhi r u there ?
[17:28] <ducasse> paranoidabhi: then partition, format, rsync everything over, edit uuid in fstab, update grub.
[17:30] <mrinal> the files i edited are: boot/grub/menu.lst AND  /etc/init.d/rc
[17:30] <ducasse> mrinal: you aren't likely to speed anything up without thoroughly understanding what you're changing.
[17:30] <mrinal> very true
[17:30] <mrinal> learnt my lesson
[17:31] <mrinal> now can we get back to solving my problem
[17:31] <ducasse> mrinal: sure, did you change /etc/default/grub?
[17:31] <mrinal> i guess so
[17:32] <paranoidabhi> ducasse, Can you tell more on the rsync if possible.
[17:32] <ducasse> mrinal: can you pastebin it?
[17:32] <mrinal> ubuntu kungfu panda recommended it and i did so foolishly
[17:33] <ducasse> paranoidabhi: there are tons of tutorials out there, google "rsync root filesystem to another drive" for example.
[17:33] <mrinal> i'm sorry i forgot my pastebin password
[17:34] <ducasse> mrinal: you don't need one, just use any pastebin out there.
[17:34] <ducasse> !paste | mrinal
[17:34] <mrinal> i'm sorry whats pastebin ?
[17:35] <ducasse> mrinal: read what ubottu said.
[17:36] <mrinal> ok
[17:36] <mrinal> i may need some time.... please bear with me
[17:39] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> ubuntu 16.04 : all application's title bar don't display the name of opened documents.
[17:40] <paranoidabhi> ducasse, thanks is this good rsync -ax / /target/directory/mountpoint? Should I exclude something?
[17:41] <ducasse> paranoidabhi: i use 'rsync -avxHAXW --numeric-ids --progress' i think.
[17:42] <mmunoz_> Hola!
[17:42] <ducasse> paranoidabhi: at least that is what is in my notes.
[17:43] <mrinal> sorry folks.... my brain is out.... hope to catch-up soon
[17:44] <paranoidabhi> ducasse, thanks, can more on edit uuid in fstab. Is this in the fstab on the new sdd?
[17:45] <OerHeks> LJHSLDJHSDLJH, what applications exactly?
[17:45] <OerHeks> LJHSLDJHSDLJH, you didn't answer our questions last time you have asked
[17:45] <ducasse> paranoidabhi: yes, set it to the new root.
[17:47] <paranoidabhi> ducasse, can you provide more details on this. This is my fstab right now http://paste.ubuntu.com/20334815/. How can I find the UUID of the sdd, and what should I edit
[17:47] <Tan> add-apt-repository : command not found
[17:48] <tan2> add-apt-repository : command not found
[17:48] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> OerHeks: sorry I didn't see your last time question! ... ALL applications indeed are not showing the names, e.g. pinta, pdf viewer, libreoffice etc
[17:48] <k1l> tan2: apt-get install software-properties-common
[17:50] <ducasse> paranoidabhi: just swap the old uuid out for the new one, get it from blkid.
[17:52] <felicity_> hello, (noob alert) why don't apps appear in "applications" panel when I use sudo apt-get install command to install them?
[17:52] <EriC^^> felicity_: maybe it requires a logout and login
[17:53] <EriC^^> felicity_: which apps
[17:53] <OerHeks> LJHSLDJHSDLJH, it does here, can you post a screenshot? ( without sensitive data)
[17:54] <felicity_> generally in all apps
[17:54] <felicity_> but I didn't try logout login
[17:54] <EriC^^> felicity_: that's odd
[17:54] <felicity_> with synaptic
[17:54] <felicity_> they appears
[17:54] <EriC^^> shouldn't make a difference
[18:07] <poood> hey guys do you know how to clone a disk?   http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/297446/how-to-clone-an-entire-linux-disk-and-boot-it
[18:13] <MonkeyDust> !clone | poood start here
[18:13] <jerichowasahoax> What's the correct way to tell apt to never ever touch a specific file on my filesystem, regardless of what packages say to do
[18:13] <MonkeyDust> jerichowasahoax  i guess 'pinning' can do that
[18:14] <MonkeyDust> jerichowasahoax  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[18:14] <jerichowasahoax> MonkeyDust: thank you
[18:14] <poood> ubottu: wow.
[18:14] <poood> apt-clone sounds great
[18:15] <poood> MonkeyDust:  i need to clone the entire system and many other files
[18:15] <jerichowasahoax> MonkeyDust: Actually, this looks like it handles packages, not files
[18:16] <ducasse> jerichowasahoax: what kind of file are you talking about?
[18:16] <jerichowasahoax> ducasse: /bin/true and /bin/false (they don't need --help or --version functions, i'm replacing them with my own)
[18:17] <ducasse> jerichowasahoax: set them immutable, maybe?
[18:17] <ducasse> jerichowasahoax: or dpkg-divert
[18:19] <tan2> I installed Ubuntu Miniml and Openbox. Ubuntu start I enter in Openbox but menu there no work. But If I run startx in other X then all work
[18:19] <tan2> How to config OpenBox?
[18:20] <jerichowasahoax> ducasse: dpkg-divert just moves it aside, but hey, close enough for my purposes :V
[18:21] <ducasse> jerichowasahoax: thought so :)
[18:22] <OerHeks> tan2, you will need to make these files to get a classic login , from the manual https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Openbox#Creating_a_Openbox.2FGnome_session
[18:22] <ducasse> jerichowasahoax: if you really have to, use chattr +i, but i  guess the package system will be unhappy.
[18:23] <jerichowasahoax> ducasse: i try to avoid directly contradicting the package system without at least trying to tell it first
[18:23] <jerichowasahoax> ducasse: just so it doesn't overwrite my changes with a system update (or worse, self destruct and leave my entire operating system in ruins)
[18:24] <ducasse> jerichowasahoax: which was why i should have mentioned dpkg-divert first, not the immutable flag.
[18:30] <tan2> OerHeks, its no helped
[18:35] <ducasse> tan2: how do you start x?
[18:36] <tan2> ducasse, Alt + F2
[18:36] <tan2> stop
[18:36] <tan2> ducasse, Alt + Ctrl + F2
[18:37] <ducasse> tan2: do you mean you don't get the menu when you start openbox from the display manager?
[18:37] <tan2> ducasse, yes lightdm
[18:39] <ducasse> tan2: but it works when you use startx?
[18:39] <tan2> ducasse, Yes
[18:40] <tan2> ducasse, Gray screen menu firefox terminal leafpad...
[18:40] <gadget593> Software updater is only telling me 15.10 is available, is anyone else getting this?
[18:40] <tan2> ducasse, and there Blue screen
[18:40] <ducasse> tan2: i don't understand you.
[18:41] <tan2> ducasse, I said yes
[18:41] <tan2> I thonk need cnange lightdm to lxdm
[18:41] <ducasse> tan2: yes, but what about the blue and gray screens?
[18:41] <MonkeyDust> gadget593  15.10 will soon be dead ... what's the output of   cat /etc/issue
[18:41] <therealtbe> does anyone know how to resolve this annoying findfont warning/error?  https://paste.pound-python.org/show/TENhaarToU1DmqsYJiUc/
[18:42] <tan2> ducasse, Gray screen that work
[18:42] <ducasse> gadget593: the mirror needs to be updated.
[18:42] <tan2> ducasse, startx and I see GrayScreen
[18:43] <gadget593> MonkeyDust how do I check that?
[18:43] <gadget593> ducasse does that mean I have to wait?
[18:44] <tan2> ducasse, can openbox start without lidhtdm ?
[18:44] <ducasse> gadget593: yes, but just a few hours.
[18:44] <ron__> yes :)
[18:44] <ducasse> tan2: sure, you can use startx instead of lightdm.
[18:44] <MonkeyDust> gadget593  open a terminal, and type   cat /etc/issue
[18:45] <tan2> ducasse, I want auto
[18:45] <ducasse> tan2: or you can start the menu from your openbox config file.
[18:45] <gadget593> MonkeyDust it says Ubuntu 14.04.4 LTS \n \l
[18:46] <nikkkkke> hello, how do I dist-upgrade from 15.10  to 16.04? I had the option open but it disappeared...
[18:46] <MonkeyDust> gadget593  ok, you want the lts > lts upgrade ... i suggest you wait one or two more days
[18:46] <tan2> ducasse, I cant remove lightdm, Ubuntu want install gnome what to do?
[18:46] <gadget593> MonkeyDust ok
[18:47] <ducasse> tan2: i thought you wanted lightdm, you said 'i want auto'
[18:48] <tan2> ducasse, no it not work for mr
[18:48] <tan2> ducasse,  me
[18:48] <tan2> ducasse,  or need config
[18:49] <ducasse> tan2: just start the menu from the openbox config, i'm sure it can autostart programs.
[18:49] <tan2> ducasse, what?
[18:50] <nikkkkke> hello, how do I dist-upgrade from 15.10  to 16.04? I had the option open but it disappeared...
[18:51] <tan2> ducasse, how?
[18:52] <ducasse> tan2: i don't use openbox, read the documentation to see how you can autostart programs.
[18:53] <masters4k> hi
[18:53] <nikkkkke> sudo do-release-upgrade
[18:57] <k1l> nikkkkke: yes, do-release-upgrade on terminal will upgrade to 16.04
[19:03] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> OerHeks: some screenshots https://snag.gy/DKasnw.jpg  https://snag.gy/vweZfp.jpg   https://snag.gy/dk74ic.jpg
[19:05] <aeiro_> hi. i am trying to install xubuntu 16.04 lts. i installed a version of xubuntu before and i would like to continue using my /home partition. i am in the installation wizard right now and formated my root partition to use it as a new one. how can i specify my current home as my future home partition
[19:07] <YankDownUnder> aeiro_: Did you back up your /home directories prior?
[19:07] <MisterMom> aeiro_, select it as your home partition just dont format it and make sure your / and home are the same format ext3 or ext4 or wharever you are using
[19:08] <MisterMom> yes and backup is good idea
[19:08] <CodeMouse92> I'm looking at an Ubuntu 16.04 (Toshiba Satellite) laptop, up-to-date. The mouse (any mouse - not hardware related) is intermittently not working, in that one cannot click. The mouse still moves in those cases. How do I fix this?
[19:08] <OerHeks> LJHSLDJHSDLJH, 1st url is full screen F11, and no open document? last screen evince ? here it gives a name on the panelbar fine
[19:09] <YankDownUnder> CodeMouse92: The "glide pad" mouse? Or an external mouse?
[19:09] <CodeMouse92> Both.
[19:10] <CodeMouse92> But mainly external mouse, regardless of actual mouse or port.
[19:10] <CodeMouse92> It started about 4 days ago.
[19:10] <YankDownUnder> CodeMouse92: Chrome running?
[19:10] <CodeMouse92> Yes
[19:10] <YankDownUnder> CodeMouse92: There ya go.
[19:10] <CodeMouse92> Really? Will the same problem occur with, say, Opera?
[19:11] <aeiro_> YankDownUnder: i made a backup
[19:11] <YankDownUnder> CodeMouse92: No - it seems to be an issue with Chrome/Chromium - however, something *I* have found is that IF the bluetooth is turned off whilst Chrome is working, the mouse appears to work "normally" again...
[19:11] <YankDownUnder> aeiro_: As per what MisterMom stated...follow that path
[19:12] <CodeMouse92> YankDownUnder: So - a possible interaction between Chrome and Bluetooth
[19:12] <akik> MisterMom: there's no requirement that / and /home need to be the same file system type
[19:12] <CodeMouse92> YankDownUnder: No dice - Bluetooth was already off.
[19:12] <aeiro_> MisterMom: somehow i think i am not able to select this partition as my home... i am able to select a file system for it, but i am not quite getting it how to continue - https://img3.picload.org/image/rraiwpwr/bildschirmfoto_2016-07-21_18-1.png /dev/sda6 is my home, /dev/sda5 is my root
[19:12] <YankDownUnder> CodeMouse92: Chrome - definitely yes - and it's not just "on linux" as it affects Mac OSX as well...oddly enough...
[19:13] <CodeMouse92> Weirdness. Okay, I'll put Opera on there :\
[19:13] <CodeMouse92> Thank you for the info!
[19:13] <YankDownUnder> CodeMouse92: It's worth a "Google" - as you'll find this issue is NOT new, nor is it "isolated"
[19:13] <akik> aeiro_: use "benutzen als" and select your file system type
[19:14] <aeiro_> akik: although my home is already an ext4?
[19:14] <akik> aeiro_: then select ext4 ?
[19:14] <aeiro_> akik: this will not damage anything?
[19:14] <akik> aeiro_: no, it will just mount the partition at /home. just don't forat it
[19:14] <akik> format
[19:17] <aeiro_> akik: ok, thanks
[19:17] <aeiro_> and for bootloader installation i can just use /dev/sda how it is specified by default?
[19:18] <guest-pb5mci> Hello! My little toddler logged in as guest and I can't log out nor can I reboot nor shutdown. How can I log out in terminal? I'm using lubuntu.
[19:18] <YankDownUnder> guest-pb5mci: Try "CTRL+ALT+F1" => login as yourself, then do: sudo reboot
[19:19] <akik> aeiro_: on a uefi installation i used the efi partition for boot loader. is that a gpt table?
[19:19] <guest-pb5mci> YankDownUnder: Thanks, I'll try that!
[19:20] <aeiro_> akik: it is the table of the installation wizard (live dvd)
[19:20] <Karrde> so I'm on 14.04, and do-release-upgrade says 'No new release found' although news sites are saying 16.04.1 is out .. wait moar?
[19:20] <akik> aeiro_: if it's for mbr boot then /dev/sda is correct
[19:20] <aeiro_> akik: ok, thanks
[19:21] <alkisg> Karrde, what's the output of this? grep Prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[19:22] <LJHSLDJHSDLJH> OerHeks: could you please be more specific what you mean by first and last url? the screenshots are taken from LibreOffice Base, vmplayer and evince ... none of was full screen although they were maximized. I didn't ask about panelbar, I asked about titlebar
[19:22] <Karrde> alkisg: Prompt=lts
[19:22] <alkisg> Karrde: and your mirror is the global one, or some local one?
[19:23] <ducasse> Karrde: wait for the mirror to be updated
[19:23] <Karrde> local. ok.
[19:23] <elichai2> hey
[19:23] <elichai2> need advice, I want to put google-chrome's cache dir inside /tmp(RAM)
[19:24] <elichai2> and if I use mkdir(and Symlink it) it will just get removed after reboot
[19:24] <alkisg> elichai2: /tmp isn't in ram, did you put it in ram?
[19:24] <elichai2> yes
[19:25] <ducasse> elichai2: make a wrapper script for chrome that makes the directory before starting it
[19:25] <elichai2> `tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,noatime,size=2G,mode=1777 0 0`
[19:25] <alkisg> OK then maybe just create a wrapper in /usr/local/bin/google-chrome to do what you want, and then exec /usr/bin/google-chrome "$@"...
[19:25] <dr4c4n> is anyone familiar with setting up bind for internal dns?
[19:26] <YankDownUnder> dr4c4n: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIND9ServerHowto
[19:27] <YankDownUnder> dr4c4n: And this is probably even better: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-configure-bind-as-a-private-network-dns-server-on-ubuntu-14-04
[19:27] <dr4c4n> YankDownUnder: when you have a pfsense firewall running unbound, is that where you specify the dns to forward it to?
[19:27] <dr4c4n> YankDownUnder: ps ,thanks for the references
[19:28] <elichai2> I'm thinking about just Symlinking the cache dir into /tmp (with no inside directory)
[19:28] <elichai2> ducasse, alkisg
[19:28] <YankDownUnder> dr4c4n: Not familiar with pfsense - however, that would appear to be the logical process
[19:28] <alkisg> elichai2: TMPDIR=$(mkdir -d); ln -s $TMPDIR .cache/google-chrome etc etc
[19:29] <alkisg> mktemp -d, sorry
[19:29] <elichai2> alkisg, I didn't understood :\ what does that line does?
[19:29] <dr4c4n> YankDownUnder: I'll try the digital ocean one. It's good, but it's part of a 7 part series, and the wealth of information confuses me as to what I should be creating
[19:30] <alkisg> elichai2: mktemp -d creates a temp dir for you, with a unique name, so you can use that instead of /tmp directly
[19:30] <YankDownUnder> dr4c4n: The entire "series" is worth a read. "Plan the work, work the plan." :)
[19:30] <elichai2> so where should I put that line?
[19:30] <elichai2> (because i'll need to rerun it every time)
[19:30] <elichai2> maybe i'll just add `mkdir /tmp/google-chrome` inside .bashrc
[19:30] <alkisg> In the script that we proposed, (10:25:26 μμ) alkisg: OK then maybe just create a wrapper in /usr/local/bin/google-chrome to do what you want, and then exec /usr/bin/google-chrome "$@"...
[19:31] <dr4c4n> YankDownUnder: thanks
[19:32] <ducasse> elichai2: or put the script in ~/bin, then you can back it up with the rest of your homedir on reinstalls etc.
[19:42] <jamie_1> hey i cant seem to get libqt4-gui installed on ubuntu gnome 16.04
[19:43] <ducasse> jamie_1: that is not in the 16.04 repos, afaict.
[19:44] <jamie_1> ducasse: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/+package/libqt4-gui
[19:44] <ioria> !info libqt4-gui trusty
[19:45] <jamie_1> its part of the qt4-x11 package
[19:45] <ducasse> jamie_1: yes, but that does not mean it is in the repos.
[19:45] <jamie_1> only thing is... if that is an x11 based package it wont work on gnome
[19:46] <jamie_1> ducasse: how would i go about adding it so i can meet dependencies?
[19:46] <jamie_1> when i go to install it i get no installation candidate
[19:46] <dj_> Hello, I have a problem. I want to create another name of a lib link. The current is : -lboost_system. I want that too:  -lboost_system-mt.
[19:46] <ducasse> jamie_1: what do you need it for?
[19:46] <jamie_1> ducasse: i need it to run vidyo
[19:47] <akik> jamie_1: qt apps work under gnome if all the dependencies of the app are satisfied
[19:47] <ducasse> jamie_1: wait for an updated version that works with 16.04
[19:47] <jamie_1> akik: i am running on 3.2 with the wayland instead of x11
[19:47] <jamie_1> and ducasse i cant, i need it for a meeting
[19:48] <ducasse> jamie_1: then find a ppa or build it yourself
[19:48] <jamie_1> and for the other two meetings i have every week that i have been using my phone to do which keeps overheating my phone
[19:48] <jamie_1> ducasse: that is what i was asking if anyone knew where i could find the ppa
[19:48] <ducasse> jamie_1: but anyway you do it will be unsupported and at your own risk.
[19:49] <ducasse> jamie_1: search launchpad
[19:49] <jamie_1> ducasse: i know, wouldnt be anywhere near the first time i have done this kind stuff.. hell i have a patch job make shoved in currently so i can build b2g
[19:51] <jamie_1> make 4 cannot build android based platforms
[19:52] <ducasse> jamie_1: where does android come into it?
[19:52] <jamie_1> ducasse: i was just saying i understand i had to force a different make into my system to build b2g
[19:54] <ioria> !info libqtgui4
[19:55] <devmaddox> ezit
[19:55] <devmaddox> exit
[19:56] <ioria> jamie_1, i think has been renamed, check the content
[19:58] <jamie_1> ioria: i dont have a clue, i cant even locate the ppa url for any of them just the package on launchpad
[20:05] <alkisg> jamie_1: http://packages.ubuntu.com/wily/libqt4-gui doesn't contain any files (except for the changelog), are you sure you need that transitional package? Maybe installing its dependencies is enough?
[20:06] <jamie_1> alkisg: it is telling me i cannot install vidyo without it, and i dont know how well forcing is going to go... ususally never ends well
[20:07] <YankDownUnder> "Vidyo"?
[20:08] <n3tn0> is this working?
[20:08] <YankDownUnder> n3tn0: Which part?
[20:08] <n3tn0> YankDownUnder ok thanks
[20:09] <n3tn0> YankDownUnder nice user btw, i totally get it xD
[20:09] <YankDownUnder> n3tn0: Cheers for that
[20:09] <acidchild> I am using fluxbox as my WM. When i click on any application that "opens in filemanager" i.e. owncloud client, etc. it fires up Gnome (unity?) in the background. how do i change the default filemanager or stop this behavior?
[20:09] <alkisg> jamie_1: is vidyo a proprietary software? Can't you tell them not to depend on libqt4-gui?
[20:10] <jamie_1> alkisg: http://www.vidyo.com/ not really
[20:10] <YankDownUnder> acidchild: Would that not be a question best asked in #fluxbox?
[20:10] <acidchild> nope YankDownUnder.
[20:10] <alkisg> jamie_1: I doubt that they won't want to support ubuntu 16.04... especially when it's something as easy as modifying a dependency
[20:11] <acidchild> I'd assume it's a MIME type thing, maybe a dpkg-reconfigure maybe.
[20:11] <alkisg> jamie_1: it shouldn't be hard to create a fake package that does that though, if they won't do it for you
[20:11] <YankDownUnder> acidchild: It would be MIME, and that might be the resolution to the issue...
[20:11] <alkisg> jamie_1: it's just 4 dependencies, like 10 minutes of work to create that...
[20:12] <acidchild> -.-
[20:12] <jamie_1> alkisg: for now i might just add the 14.04 sources so i can install qt4-x11
[20:12] <jamie_1> also is that is part of x11 or works with x11?
[20:13] <jamie_1> alkisg: ^
[20:13] <alkisg> jamie_1: I don't know what that package does, I just checked its dependencies. I guess it's the source package where the binaries are compiled from...
[20:14] <bulletxt|2> hi, upgrading from10.04 keeps failing, after reading repos it will just abort saying it will restore previous settings. any clues?
[20:14] <nacc> bulletxt|2: 10.04 ?
[20:14] <bulletxt|2> nacc: yea
[20:14] <nacc> bulletxt|2: 10.04 has been eol for a while now
[20:14] <bulletxt|2> nacc:  I put the EOL repos
[20:14] <jamie_1> alkisg: was just asking due to i dont use x11
[20:14] <bulletxt|2> nacc: it says it can find 12.04 but then just stops and restores previous apt sources
[20:14] <nacc> bulletxt|2: can you pastebin the output?
[20:14] <bulletxt|2> nacc: how can I in screen mode?
[20:15] <nacc> !paste | bulletxt|2
[20:15] <Ben64> bulletxt|2: honestly, at this point it's probably easier to install 16.04 fresh
[20:15] <alkisg> jamie_1: if vidyo depends on it, it sounds like it's using x11
[20:15] <alkisg> jamie_1: so while you might be using wayland, vidyo will still use x11
[20:15] <bulletxt|2> nacc: I mean, the do-release upgrade starts in screen mode and I dont' know how to scroll
[20:15] <jamie_1> alkisg: im on gnome3.2 which uses wayland by default now
[20:15] <bulletxt|2> Ben64: what if I instll 12.04 without formatting? will that work? will I use the OS users?
[20:15] <TroelsL> Hey - I'm in a bit of a pickle and wondered what the right (or possibly easiest) way of solving the following is: I'm trying to rsync from an Ubuntu server to my nas for backup. I've setup my usr@ubuntu with passwordless ssh to the nas. However, the stuff I'm trying to back up is not readable by usr as it will be created by various services. How would you solve this?
[20:16] <Ben64> bulletxt|2: 12.04 is old now too, 16.04 is what you want
[20:16] <alkisg> jamie_1: ok, but of course not all apps support wayland, and vidyo sounds like it still supports only x11
[20:16] <bulletxt|2> Ben64: but will it work? or will I use my users in the OS?
[20:16] <jamie_1> alkisg: most of everyone doesnt support wayland yet :/
[20:16] <Ben64> bulletxt|2: backup, install 16.04, restore user data
[20:16] <alkisg> jamie_1: yup, and it's a good reason not to get too excited about defaulting to wayland yet :)
[20:17] <bulletxt|2> but I cant stand 10.04 doesnt upgrade to 12.04
[20:17] <bulletxt|2> I cant read the erorr its giving cause I cant scroll in "screen" mode, any clue?
[20:17] <nacc> bulletxt|2: well it probably would have if you had done it when it was still supported :)
[20:17] <Ben64> 12.04 is still old, you'd have the same problem in 9 months
[20:17] <bulletxt|2> I followed the EOL tutorial
[20:17] <jamie_1> alkisg: i like wayland, its smooth now and uses a lot less cpu, also i didnt swap it, when i upgraded to gnome 3.2 from gnome 3 it changed everything on its own
[20:17] <nacc> eolupgrades (to me) are iffy at best
[20:17] <Ben64> just install 16.04, you'll save so much efforty
[20:17] <bulletxt|2> Ben64: lets fix the current problem, then Ill upgrade 12 too
[20:17] <Ben64> how about you install 16.04
[20:17] <bulletxt|2> Ben64: no
[20:18] <Ben64> why
[20:18] <bulletxt|2> its a server its not a toy
[20:18] <Ben64> right so stop messing around and get it done
[20:18] <nacc> it's a toy if you let it go unsupported :)
[20:18] <jamie_1> funnily i didnt even notice it was on wayland till i went to run obs
[20:18] <bulletxt|2> there are reasons, now I need to upgrade eol and canonical says you can
[20:18] <Ben64> any reasons you have aren't worth it
[20:18] <YankDownUnder> bulletxt|2: Have you asked in #ubuntu-server yet?
[20:19] <bulletxt|2> no I wasnt aware of that channel
[20:19] <bulletxt|2> let me check
[20:19] <bulletxt|2> thanks
[20:19] <Ben64> you let the server go EOL for 15 months, and just now you're very concerned?
[20:19] <tatertots> newer isn't always better..especially with servers...track record and stability are priority
[20:19] <bulletxt|2> Ben64: you make no sense, that's not an excuse for eol not working while canonical says it does
[20:19] <Ben64> you didn't keep it running properly, and now you're way behind. jump up to 16.04, learn from this, and keep things working
[20:19] <tatertots> 16.04's track record is how long now?
[20:20] <bulletxt|2> he makes no sense
[20:20] <Ben64> you let the server go unsupported for 15 months, you don't make sense
[20:20] <tatertots> bleeding edge is great for desktop/toys but servers/enterprise not so much
[20:20] <nacc> bulletxt|2: this is not a canonical channel, btw
[20:20] <Ben64> tatertots: 16.04 is hardly bleeding edge
[20:20] <jatt> 16.04 is production ready
[20:20] <nacc> bulletxt|2: so not sure what you're referring to
[20:20] <tatertots> for servers a products track record is key...keyword being 'record'
[20:21] <Ben64> tatertots: you have no idea what you're talking about
[20:21] <nacc> tatertots: i feel like that's neither here nor there
[20:21] <RNeville> Hello everyone, just used Clonezilla to make an image of my harddrive onto a second installed HD
[20:21] <tatertots> at least ask if a person might be a amd proprietary driver user before quickly nudging them to 16.04
[20:22] <YankDownUnder> "In a perfect world" - one would assume it's best to have a server "auto update"...but "perfect world" does not really happen in real life...hmm...
[20:22] <alkisg> (1) He should have upgraded before going EOL. (2) do-release-upgrade should still work and if it doesn't it's a bug that needs fixing. Why can't you agree that both of those can be true?
[20:22] <Ben64> tatertots: it's a server
[20:22] <jane_> I need help with ubuntu desktop 16.04
[20:22] <jane_> anyone on?
[20:22] <Ben64> jane_: ask your question, providing as much detail as possible
[20:22] <YankDownUnder> jane_: Shoot
[20:22] <RNeville> running Ubuntu 14.02 , and now I can get my primary boot drive to boot up - grub wants to boot secondary drive (that's an imagine of primary) no matter what I tell bios boot loader to do
[20:22] <nacc> tatertots: anyone who installs a new version without reading the release notes is already asking for trouble ...
[20:23] <jane_> I want to host a public website on ubuntu desktop on my home computer (I will only use it as my hosting) but I am not sure if it'll be secure, what are your thoughts?
[20:23] <circ-user-alwPE> hi: i have a pretty solid ubuntu 16.04 host, and i run ubuntu 16.04 guests using the latest virtualbox .  but i have a few issues which i think are down to my graphics card.  should i expect problems with a radeon hd 4650 (rv730 pro) ?
[20:23] <bulletxt|2> anyways, does some know how to scroll a "screen" window?
[20:23] <alkisg> bulletxt|2: I've seen do-release-upgrade fail numerous times, and in some of them I ended up manually updating the sources to the last version, and just running apt dist-upgrade.
[20:23] <rudysbbq> i'm on ubuntu 16, is there a way to disable the minimize animation effect on metacity?
[20:23] <TroelsL> I can ask my question another way: Why will 'ssh rsync@nas' not prompt for password, but 'sudo rsync@nas' will.
[20:23] <YankDownUnder> jane_: Dynamic DNS...?
[20:24] <nacc> TroelsL: ssh and sudo are completely different commands
[20:24] <bulletxt|2> alkisg: you mean i should put 12.04 repos in my 10.04 and do apt-get dist upgrade^
[20:24] <TroelsL> nacc: Ahem. 'sudo ssh rsync@nas'
[20:24] <Ben64> bulletxt|2: make sure you backup so if/when that breaks your system you can install 16.04
[20:24] <jane_> I'm going to be making the domain go to CloudFlare which will go to my IP and use portforward to allow it to work on ubuntu desktop, will this be secure?
[20:24] <Ben64> TroelsL: why would you sudo ssh?
[20:24] <Smilerut> Hi. When I was unpacking some archives with Ark and when I tried to unpack the next one I got an error saying "failed to locate program unrar on disk". Can anyone help me?
[20:24] <nacc> TroelsL: is the 'sudo ssh rsync@nas' asking for your local user's password (meaning it's sudo asking for a password not ssh)?
[20:24] <Smilerut> this happens with every archive now
[20:25] <Ben64> Smilerut: sudo apt-get install unrar
[20:25] <alkisg> bulletxt|2: first, backup everything. Then, if it completely fails, I would try directly with 16.04, not 12.04 => 14.04 => 16.04.... so that I don't have to do the same manual fixes 3 times. If it doesn't work, restore the backup and try to get do-release-upgrade fixed.
[20:25] <Smilerut> Ben64: ok, but, why did it work but then stop working?
[20:25] <Ben64> Smilerut: who knows
[20:25] <circ-user-alwPE> what is a recommended, cheap but well support graphics card for occasional video playback and virtualbox use?
[20:25] <TroelsL> Ben64, nacc: I'm using rsync for backup. Added authorized_keys to nas to avoid password prompt. But I need elevated permissions locally to be able to read the files I'm rsyncing. (unless there's a better way)
[20:26] <TroelsL> The goal is to setup a cron job to rsync daily
[20:26] <jane_> anyone??
[20:26] <alkisg> TroelsL: ssh-copy-id copies the user id to the server, so that ssh doesn't ask for a pass. "sudo ssh-copy-id" would copy the root ssh id, if you had one, so that then "sudo ssh" would work without pass.
[20:26] <YankDownUnder> jane_: Are you using or planning to use dynamic dns for this?
[20:26] <alkisg> TroelsL: you can use `crontab -e` to create per-user cron jobs
[20:27] <Smilerut> Ben64: it works now, anyway. Thanks!
[20:27] <akik> TroelsL: you need the higher permissions on the source side
[20:28] <bulletxt|2> alkisg: if I install 16.04 on top it will desroy all my settings , users etc
[20:28] <jane_> do I have to use that??
[20:28] <Ben64> bulletxt|2: so can upgrading
[20:28] <akik> TroelsL: so maybe "sudo rsync -e ssh ..."
[20:28] <bulletxt|2> Ben64: you have no idea of how many ubuntu I upgraded with 0 problems
[20:29] <alkisg> bulletxt|2: I usually boot with the live cd, then move * to srv/10.04, then install 16.04, then put back /srv/10.04/home to /home, so that user settings are preserved. For user accounts, I have a tool that migrates them, but sorry it's greek-only.
[20:29] <tatertots> how would i go about getting a older version of smbd on my 16.04 system?....it has smbd version 4.3.9-Ubuntu right now and i need smbd 4.2
[20:29] <Ben64> bulletxt|2: well good luck then
[20:29] <TroelsL> alkisg: already did sudo ssh-copy-id (all keys skipped because they exist). It tries to copy my local users keys again, not the ones in /root/.ssh
[20:29] <nacc> tatertots: no official way
[20:29] <YankDownUnder> jane_: I'm asking you if that's what was part of the plan - either which, if you want to host a website on your machine (local), you'll have to install Apache - as a base...and then you'll have to figure out the rest for DNS (Domain Name Services) - so that your "dns" can be found on the net - does that make sense?
[20:29] <alkisg> TroelsL: try: sudo -i. Then, ssh-copy-id etc.
[20:30] <tatertots> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LikewiseOpen requires smbd version 4.2 and not a version higher
[20:30] <jane_> Yeah, I will be doing that..
[20:30] <YankDownUnder> jane_: Good read: http://www.instructables.com/id/Set-up-your-very-own-Web-server/
[20:30] <Ben64> tatertots: have you tried it and it failed?
[20:30] <jane_> I am making it where my IP will be accessable to the public, however, I've installed xampp on windows and it got hacked, so if I use ubuntu desktop and just install apache and whatever else I need, will this be secure?
[20:31] <nacc> tatertots: where does it say that?
[20:31] <circ-user-alwPE> is there a way of testing if my graphics card is supported by ubuntu?
[20:31] <hanjollyinfo> hello
[20:31] <hanjollyinfo> what's the command to see a package's info and desscription? the pkg is not installed?
[20:31] <tatertots> Found smbd version 4.3.9-Ubuntu Unsupported smbd version 4.3.9-Ubuntu
[20:31] <nacc> hanjollyinfo: apt-cache info <pkgname>
[20:31] <magkneetoe> hey everyone
[20:31] <YankDownUnder> jane_: You're going to have to learn how to configure your router/modem - and then, as well, make modifications to your internal firewall (UFW)...but it's actually easier than it sounds.
[20:32] <TroelsL> alkisg: Thank you! That worked.
[20:32] <jane_> I've updated my router so it will allow other people to access it but its the part where I need to to be secure so people can still access the site as a web hosting but cannot gain access to the server
[20:32] <hanjollyinfo> apt-cache info flightgear
[20:32] <hanjollyinfo> E: Invalid operation info
[20:32] <tatertots> if you join ubuntu 16.04 to a corporate domain with PBIS and attempt pbis samba interop it fails because it only supports smbd 4.2
[20:32] <magkneetoe> If i install 16.04 alongside 14.04 can i then look into the files from the other bootable version?
[20:32] <nacc> hanjollyinfo: sorry, show not info
[20:32] <alkisg> TroelsL: you're welcome
[20:32] <Ben64> hanjollyinfo: policy or show
[20:32] <Bassem> how can i fix this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/20356601/
[20:33] <hanjollyinfo> Installed-Size: 17785 what are the units?
[20:33] <jane_> is lamp more secure than xampp on windows?
[20:33] <nacc> tatertots: well, that page is horribly out of date and only applies to precise (afaict)
[20:33] <YankDownUnder> jane_: Read up on the Apache installation and configuration - that will be a huge help...and then read up on "UFW" - easy.
[20:33] <YankDownUnder> jane_: Yes.
[20:33] <jane_> Alright thank you that is all I needed to know.. :)
[20:33] <jane_> have a good day!
[20:33] <YankDownUnder> jane_: Cheers.
[20:33] <ducasse> jane_: every time you expose any service to the internet, there is a chance of being hacked. but the default setup is pretty secure.
[20:34] <hanjollyinfo> anyone knows the units of the installed size apt-cache show pkg ?
[20:34] <hanjollyinfo> nacc, know the units?
[20:34] <jane_> ducasse: << idk how that works lol but xampp, apparently had a httpd exploit that allows people to access the files.. Is lamp more secure than xampp so that won't happen? I know theres a chance of getting hacked but is lamp more secure so its harder??
[20:35] <hanjollyinfo> hmmm
[20:35] <alkisg> hanjollyinfo: apt show package => also has units
[20:35] <ducasse> jane_: it totally depends on what you do with it :)
[20:35] <jane_> ducasse: I'll be hosting a game site on it
[20:35] <Arex> How to add Xorg to autorun?
[20:35] <jane_> that uses mysql, phpmyadmin, etc
[20:35] <nacc> hanjollyinfo: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Installed-Size
[20:35] <ducasse> jane_: the default is pretty secure, but if you change things you need to understand what your changes do.
[20:36] <jane_> okay thank you!
[20:36] <OerHeks> jane_, don't hang it on the internet :-)
[20:36] <jane_> So it's more secure than xampp and don't have many exploits??
[20:36] <ducasse> jane_: you can run your lamp stack in a vm or container to isolate it further from your host.
[20:36] <tatertots> if there's no 'official' way to get smbd 4.2 on 16.04 so the ubuntu 16.04 can have the full functionality of PBIS and samba looks like i'm better off with Ubuntu 12.04 or 14.04...wait ooops that 14.04 has too new of a version of smbd also....looks like 12.04  would be the only applicable ubuntu version for the corporate domain and PBIS
[20:36] <hanjollyinfo> my ubuntu 16.04 keeps on freezing and did so 4 times today,even though i have new install,on desktop i have 64bit,
[20:36] <tatertots> thanks
[20:37] <nacc> tatertots: it would appear you should ask PBIS about that, afaict
[20:37] <jane_> ducasse: I have a desktop computer that I do not use that I want it as just a hosting server, which is why I was asking if lamp is secure so I can switch to ubuntu from windows
[20:37] <Arex> How to add Xorg to autorun?
[20:37] <tatertots> already did..they suggest 12.04 also
[20:37] <tatertots> thanks
[20:38] <nacc> tatertots: ... ok, sounds like you have an answer; hopefully they come up with a better one w/in the next 9 months.
[20:38] <hanjollyinfo> shall i use apt upgrade or apt-get upgrade? apt shows in brown color and i am confused whats the difference , and which is better for me? ncc
[20:38] <hanjollyinfo> shall i use apt upgrade or apt-get upgrade? apt shows in brown color and i am confused whats the difference , and which is better for me? nacc
[20:38] <nacc> hanjollyinfo: `apt` is the newer tool, generally recommended now over `apt-get`
[20:38] <ducasse> jane_: if you use php scripts, for example, those scripts need to be secure also. apache itself is pretty secure, anything you add is the big risk.
[20:39] <jane_> Yes I am aware of that, however, last time I got hacked, xampp had an exploit where they could view the files and mess with them, which is why I want to be 100% sure that lamp is secure by default and do not have a huge exploit like that.
[20:39] <Bassem> how can i install java
[20:39] <hanjollyinfo> ok nacc,so i guess i will use that
[20:40] <alkisg> Arex: provide more details, how did you end up with xorg not running? Did you start with the server installation?
[20:40] <hanjollyinfo> apt install javac Bassem its there in the askubuntu
[20:40] <ducasse> jane_: when security holes are found they are typically fixed right away. just keep it updated.
[20:40] <jane_> Okay thank you :) I will try it and hopefully won't get hacked again..
[20:41] <jane_> I suggest to everyone here not to use xampp if you are right now..
[20:41] <Bassem> hanjollyinfo, E: Unable to locate package javac
[20:41] <jane_> have a good day!
[20:41] <Arex> alkisg, just how to do it please?
[20:41] <ducasse> jane_: but there is _always_ the chance of unknown holes. the best you can do is update every day.
[20:41] <ducasse> jane_: good luck! :)
[20:42] <magkneetoe> If i install 16.04 alongside 14.04 can i then look into the files from the other bootable version?
[20:42] <ducasse> Arex: you need to answer the questions you are asked.
[20:42] <magkneetoe> xD
[20:42] <Arex> How to add Xorg to autorun?
[20:42] <alkisg> Arex: the question by itself doesn't make sense, when a desktop environment is installed, xorg autostarts, so you'll have to provide more info for us to understand what is wrong with your setup
[20:42] <OerHeks> magkneetoe, if you don't encrypt it, technically yes ( after a few commands)
[20:43] <asgharpolo> hi , i am using ubuntu 16.04 , when i connect to intenet my system goes down and i cant do anything. but when i am disconnect every things goes well. i didnt have this problem in ubuntu 14.04. what is the problem of ubuntu 16.04?
[20:43] <hanjollyinfo> Bassem, if i were you i would simply search ubuntu site,and am sure internet search answers all
[20:43] <ducasse> Arex: how did you install?
[20:43] <alkisg> Bassem: http://tecadmin.net/install-oracle-java-8-jdk-8-ubuntu-via-ppa/# ==> the 3 commands there
[20:43] <Arex> alkisg, only xorg
[20:43] <hanjollyinfo> Bassem, let me search that for you and tell you
[20:43] <Arex> alkisg, no wm and de
[20:43] <magkneetoe> OerHeks: so i can not click through folders instead of thru terminal?
[20:43] <bunjee> isn't Guayadeque music player available in Kubuntu?
[20:43] <Arex> alkisg, minimal iso
[20:43] <Bassem> alkisg, thanks
[20:44] <hanjollyinfo> Bassem, u need java compiler ? or javajdk-jre,plugins
[20:44] <OerHeks> magkneetoe, i think the 2md install has its own partition, those can be visible in your filemanager i think
[20:44] <asgharpolo> hi , i am using ubuntu 16.04 , when i connect to intenet my system goes down and i cant do anything. but when i am disconnect every things goes well. i didnt have this problem in ubuntu 14.04. what is the problem of ubuntu 16.04?
[20:44] <alkisg> Arex: what do you want xorg to show when you start it? that's what window managers + DEs are for... those would create /etc/X11/default-display-manager for xorg to start with it...
[20:44] <Bassem> hanjollyinfo,  i get this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/20356601/
[20:44] <hanjollyinfo> Bassem, u need java compiler ? or javajdk-jre,plugins
[20:45] <Arex> alkisg, and what config?
[20:45] <asgharpolo> hi , i am using ubuntu 16.04 , when i connect to intenet my system goes down and i cant do anything. but when i am disconnect every things goes well. i didnt have this problem in ubuntu 14.04. what is the problem of ubuntu 16.04?
[20:45] <Bassem> hanjollyinfo, i guess it will be javajdk-jre,plugins
[20:45] <ducasse> Arex: if you want x to start automatically on boot, install a display manager.
[20:45] <Arex> I want Xorg only
[20:46] <alkisg> Arex: xorg with what? a terminal? a browser? There's no point in plain xorg with a mouse...
[20:46] <hanjollyinfo> bassem java-gcj-compat-headless
[20:46] <hanjollyinfo> no that's compiler
[20:46] <hanjollyinfo> yep https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[20:46] <Arex> alkisg, apps
[20:46] <hanjollyinfo> that has java
[20:46] <alkisg> Arex: there are DMs that allow you to run what you want, e.g. "nodm", while taking care of launching xorg and your app
[20:47] <hanjollyinfo> but it is horrible idea to install java from a security perspective.
[20:47] <ducasse> Arex: you use a display manager to start x automatically, otherwise you need to log in on a terminal.
[20:47] <alkisg> Arex: I don't think you understand what you're asking
[20:47] <Bassem> hanjollyinfo, is it compiler or plugin?
[20:47] <hanjollyinfo> Bassem, why would u want to install java? it makes your PC  less secure
[20:47] <hanjollyinfo> lol
[20:48] <Bassem> because when i try to install xdman i get this errors Package default-jre is not installed.
[20:48] <Bassem>   Package sun-java6-jre is not installed.
[20:48] <Bassem>   Package sun-java7-jre is not installed.
[20:48] <Bassem>   Package openjdk-6-jre is not installed.
[20:48] <Bassem>   Package openjdk-7-jre is not installed.
[20:48] <Arex> alkisg, not I enter in login and enter command: startx
[20:48] <Arex> alkisg, an I want auto all it
[20:48] <Arex> alkisg, now
[20:48] <alkisg> Arex: what do you see when you run startx? gnome? a terminal? a script of yours?
[20:48] <ducasse> Arex: then you need a dm.
[20:48] <hanjollyinfo> apt install openjdk-9-jre bassem
[20:49] <nacc> hanjollyinfo: no, that's bad advice
[20:49] <nacc> Bassem: use openjdk-8
[20:49] <Arex> alkisg, xinitrc config
[20:49] <nacc> Bassem: openjdk-9 is not yet ready, afaik
[20:49] <Bassem> 8 or 9?
[20:49] <Bassem> ok
[20:49] <hanjollyinfo> use 8
[20:49] <Arex> alkisg, DISPLAY=:0 xterm
[20:49] <Bassem> nacc, sudo apt install openjdk-8
[20:49] <nacc> Bassem: i don't know what you are needing, it soundsl ike you just need a JRE
[20:50] <nacc> Bassem: so openjdk-8-jre
[20:50] <alkisg> Arex: install "nodm", this can do what you want, if I understood you correctly
[20:50] <hanjollyinfo> why are both 8 and 9 given in the distro? thats crazy
[20:50] <nacc> Bassem: but i can't tell from your ouptut
[20:50] <ducasse> Arex: are you trying to use x without a wm?
[20:50] <alkisg> Arex: it allows you to launch xorg and run your own xinitrc inside it
[20:51] <Arex> alkisg, I need just rn script on boot
[20:51] <Arex> run
[20:51] <Arex> startx and only
[20:51] <alkisg> Arex: yes, that's what nodm is for
[20:52] <Arex> alkisg, and in default?
[20:52] <alkisg> What default?
[20:52] <Arex> alkisg, witout add soft
[20:52] <alkisg> I don't understand. Ask again with more words.
[20:53] <Arex> alkisg, without additional soft
[20:53] <hanjollyinfo> nacc how can i enlarge tty fonts using the tty??
[20:53] <ducasse> Arex: don't you listen to what people tell you?
[20:53] <hanjollyinfo> using the command line? nacc
[20:53] <Arex> alkisg, hot to just run any script on boot?
[20:53] <hanjollyinfo> or anyone knows how to change the tty fonts?
[20:53] <Arex> how
[20:54] <ducasse> hanjollyinfo: install the console font you want, and run dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[20:54] <alkisg> Arex: you can put a script in /etc/rc.local, but it's the wrong way to do it, the correct is to use a minimal dm like nodm.
[20:55] <ducasse> Arex: any script you put in rc.local will run as root, don't do that.
[20:55] <Arex> any user?
[20:55] <Arex> and
[20:56] <ducasse> Arex: listen to what you're being told and just use nodm, that is the right way.
[20:56] <Arex> And tomcat?
[20:57] <ducasse> what about it?
[20:57] <_adb> hello. i'm trying to mount an nfs drive with the -o intr option, but according to the manpage (http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man5/nfs.5.html), this option has been deprecated. is there a recommended alternative?
[20:57] <Arex> no need
[20:57] <kittykitty> anyone know why i cant upgrade to 16.04.1 through the update manager yet? Its out now so it should be on right?
[20:58] <xangua> kittykitty: what release?
[20:58] <ducasse> Arex: 'no need' what? please use full sentences.
[20:58] <kittykitty> xangua, im on 14.04 right now
[20:58] <ducasse> kittykitty: your mirror might not have it yet.
[20:58] <kittykitty> ducasse, should i use the main server?
[20:59] <_adb> do newer kernels (than 2.6.25) not suffer from hanging issues that older systems could, removing the need for interruptible nfs operations?
[20:59] <ducasse> kittykitty: why not just wait a few hours?
[20:59] <Arex> alkisg, I installed nodm
[20:59] <Arex> alkisg, what now?
[20:59] <kittykitty> ducasse, i have work to do tomorrow so ill not be able to do it for like, 4 days ahaha
[20:59] <kittykitty> just seems a bit weird
[21:00] <ducasse> kittykitty: then use a mirror that has been updated.
[21:00] <kittykitty> ducasse, checking with the main server now
[21:00] <kittykitty> tried it 5 hours ago or something and it wasnt up so idk
[21:01] <ducasse> kittykitty: it's not weird that mirrors are not instantly updated, they're usually updated every 24 hours
[21:01] <Arex> alkisg, and I not want systemd
[21:02] <alkisg> Arex: now you need to configure it, I think its configuration file is in /etc/default/nodm
[21:02] <alkisg> Google it if it's not there, it shouldn't be hard, it's just a text file
[21:03] <bulletxt|2> Ben64: you see, I finally found where do-release upgrade stores logs
[21:03] <bulletxt|2> and now Im discoverig what shit is happening
[21:03] <bulletxt|2> the error is ""It was not possible to authenticate some packages. This may be a transient network problem. You may want to try again later. See below  for a list of unauthenticated packages.
[21:04] <Arex> alkisg, and how to without it?
[21:04] <alkisg> Arex: use full sentences, this doesn't make sense again
[21:05] <Arex> alkisg, any alternatives?
[21:06] <alkisg> Arex: I don't even know why you're asking for alternatives, so I wouldn't know what else to propose
[21:06] <ducasse> Arex: alternative to what?
[21:06] <alkisg> nodm does exactly what you asked so far
[21:07] <Arex> alkisg, what is VT?
[21:07] <sazakan> hey!
[21:07] <Arex> virtual terminal?
[21:07] <alkisg> Yes
[21:08] <sazakan> I need some help about ubuntu 16.04. DOes anyone help me?
[21:08] <alkisg> !ask
[21:08] <Arex> alkisg, and Xsession need configure it?
[21:08] <alkisg> Arex: you put your session to /home/arex/.xsession
[21:08] <alkisg> Arex: see a small tutorial: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=29643
[21:09] <sazakan> My mouse speed is so much. I searched on web to find solution. I found some but they are not permanend i have to do them every startup
[21:09] <Arex> alkisg, so need chanhe patch to t?
[21:09] <Arex> it
[21:09] <alkisg> Arex: editing a file is not called "patch"
[21:10] <alkisg> You just need to put your user name there so that nodm knows which user to launch xorg with
[21:10] <meet> I was looking for a clipboard similar to ditto in windows. Anybody know one?
[21:10] <meet> *clipboard manager
[21:11] <ducasse> meet: clipit, maybe? but i don't know what ditto does.
[21:12] <Squabbler> Can someone help me figure out why I'm receiving invalid permissions when trying to use a symlink from /var/www/html to /home/dev to usb/dev ?
[21:12] <ducasse> Squabbler: you can't symlink cross-device.
[21:13] <meet> ducasse, ditto allows me to set up a shortcut key, which popups up the recently copied items list, allows me to search those entries instantly, and pastes the entry on pressing enter.
[21:13] <Arex> alkisg, I not see .xsession in home
[21:13] <ducasse> meet: then try clipit :)
[21:14] <Squabbler> @ducasse: So it works when navigating folders, but apache can't?
[21:14] <meet> ducasse, thanks :). btw it seems on sourceforge that it hasn't been updated since 2013. should that be a subject of concern?
[21:16] <ducasse> meet: some programs don't really need updates, but there are others - like parcellite. install from the repos, not from sourceforge.
[21:16] <GuidovanPossum> hi waiting for the 14.04 -> 16.04 update today and the suspense is building, is it still on, anyone know a time?
[21:17] <ducasse> Squabbler: i think i'm misunderstanding you, what are you trying to achieve?
[21:17] <Arex> alkisg, !?!?!?
[21:17] <ducasse> GuidovanPossum: wait for your mirror to be updated.
[21:17] <ducasse> Arex: create it.
[21:17] <Arex> ducasse, and what into it?
[21:18] <ducasse> Arex: whatever you want your x session to start.
[21:18] <Arex> ducasse, and xinitrc?
[21:19] <Squabbler> @ducasse: okay, so apache looks at /var/www/html, which has a symlink to /home/dev/projects, which has a symlink to /usb-drive/dev/projects. In the browser it works from html dir to home dev dir (as expected). But I receive a 403 in the browser when I add the symlink to the usb
[21:19] <ducasse> Arex: if you have .xinitrc i don't think you would need .xsession
[21:19] <Squabbler> Essentially, I would rather host my projects on external usb drive, instead of home folder.
[21:19] <nibblyn> Hi! HDMI secondary display output not working (no signal) after fresh install of UbuntuMate 16.04 with nvidia driver. Works with the very same hardware, driver and x version under 12.04. Nouveau working properly. Any suggestion please?
[21:19] <Squabbler> But localhost throws a 403
[21:20] <Bassem> how can i clean my ubuntu?
[21:20] <ducasse> Squabbler: odd, but symlinks are not supposed to work cross-device.
[21:21] <Bassem> from any unnecessary files or packages
[21:21] <Squabbler> @ducasse: That's interesting because the symlink inside of /home/dev when opened *will* open /usb-drive/dev/projects - but apache throws 403 in browser
[21:21] <rattking> I think symlinks can cross devices its hard links that can not.
[21:21] <Arex> alkisg, ? :(
[21:21] <ducasse> rattking: you may be right. sorry.
[21:22] <ducasse> Bassem: by doing it manually and understanding exactly what you are doing.
[21:22] <Bassem> ducasse, i'm new to ubuntu
[21:23] <ducasse> Bassem: then you shouldn't try.
[21:23] <Bassem> ducasse, wont that take big space of my harddisk
[21:24] <ducasse> Bassem: you are likely to just break something. clean stuff in your homedir and data drives, the system takes care of itself.
[21:24] <_adb> Bassem: sory, don't think i understand. do you mean removing old cached versions of packages that havesince been upgraded, or removing unnecessary packages that came with the system?
[21:25] <OerHeks> bassem read about clean, autoclean, autoremove, lots of tools for different purpose
[21:25] <bulletxt|2> nacc: just to let you know, http://askubuntu.com/questions/425355/error-authenticating-some-packages-while-upgrade fixed my problem!
[21:25] <Bassem> _adb, removing old cached versions of packages that havesince been upgraded
[21:25] <Arex> ducasse, its not work no autostart :(
[21:25] <aryan> Hello people
[21:26] <ducasse> Arex: have you configured it correctly?
[21:26] <_adb> Bassem: then OerHeks is correct: clean, autoclean, autoremove are useful
[21:26] <Arex> ducasse, I added startx to this file
[21:26] <ax562> can someone help me out with this error please? "libmtp error: Could not send object"
[21:26] <ducasse> Arex: which file?
[21:26] <CarlFK> I just installed wily (because melt 6.3.0 isn't in the repo and the build one won't run on xenial).. and now I have a box with a 4.4 kernel but only /lib/modules/4.2.0-16-generic (so nfs fails because I guess it can't find the 4.4 module
[21:26] <ax562> on ubuntu 16.04 lts 64-bit
[21:26] <Arex> ducasse, .xsession
[21:26] <aryan> I am trying to perform a PXE boot where I have connected my target PC with my TFTP server via an ethernet cable. But the problem is, I don't get my LED lights glowing in the NIC.
[21:27] <aryan> so, the PXE is not working at all.
[21:27] <Bassem> _adb, how can i use those commands
[21:27] <CarlFK> is there some trick to installing the 4.4 modules (I would have thought it came with the kernel package
[21:27] <ax562> when I try to copy files to my samsung tab 3, this error randomly happens and will not let me copy the files
[21:27] <_adb> Bassem: man apt-get :-)
[21:28] <ducasse> Arex: no, that's wrong. see https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Nodm
[21:28] <james1138> Hello all. I back. Very minor question about Thunderbird mail client. Is there any way to make rss feeds without icons in the menu on the left?
[21:28] <CarlFK> aryan: you won't get pxe anything until you have link lights... so ...
[21:29] <Arex> ducasse, what there?
[21:29] <ducasse> Arex: just read it.
[21:30] <Arex> ducasse, i readed
[21:30] <neo__> hi
[21:30] <nacc> CarlFK: how did you put a 4.4 kernel in wily?
[21:30] <ducasse> Arex: then do what it says. you need to configure nodm properly, that page explains how.
[21:30] <urand0m> how do i get php7 in the ubuntu repos?
[21:30] <ax562> can someone help me out with this error please? "libmtp error: Could not send object"
[21:31] <nacc> urand0m: it's in 16.04 (just install php)
[21:31] <Arex> ducasse, yes?
[21:31] <Arex> ducasse, I see there Arch
[21:31] <Arex> ducasse, I configured /etc/default/nodm
[21:31] <CarlFK> nacc: I have no idea... other than run a few scripts that I wrote that do apt-get update things, but I assure you I didn't do nuthing with kernel stuff
[21:32] <urand0m> nacc, im running 14.0.4.4 ..
[21:32] <nacc> CarlFK: well, there's no 4.4 kernel pacakge in wily ...
[21:32] <nacc> CarlFK: how did you "install wily" ?
[21:32] <Arex> ducasse, I after that I configured /home/user/.xsession
[21:32] <nacc> urand0m: you'd have to use a ppa to do so, which is unsupported here (but you can read)
[21:32] <nacc> !ppa | urand0m
[21:33] <Amm0n> aryan, do you have a switch between host and target? If your NIC doesn't support Auto-MDI-X you propably need a crosscable.
[21:33] <CarlFK> nacc: I picked this option from my PXE installer https://github.com/CarlFK/veyepar/blob/master/setup/nodes/pxe/shaz/var/lib/tftpboot/pxelinux.cfg/default#L59 ubuntu-wily-amd64-handsoff
[21:33] <urand0m> nacc, can you help me find the official ppa?
[21:34] <CarlFK> nacc: note.. the late.sh in my repo is behind what is on my live box here... but I am not doing anything 'funny'
[21:34] <Arex> ducasse, and?
[21:35] <OerHeks> urand0m, there is no *official* ppa for php7, but ondrej is the most used one https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php?field.series_filter=trusty
[21:35] <nacc> CarlFK: can you pastebin `uname -a`? and `apt-cache policy linux-image-generic` ?
[21:35] <nacc> urand0m: ppas are by definition unofficial :)
[21:35] <ducasse> Arex: the arch wiki page i showed you tells you everything you need to do. configure nodm, and start your wm from .xinitrc
[21:36] <aryan> <aryan> but when I plug the ethernet to the router, the NIC in my target PC glows in the boot too
[21:36] <aryan> <aryan> anyone here for helping a PXE booting ?
[21:36] <Arex> ducasse, need start systemd?
[21:37] <CarlFK> nacc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/20365445/
[21:37] <ducasse> Arex: if nodm uses a systemd unit, then yes.
[21:37] <nacc> CarlFK: it looks like you booted to a xenial kernel
[21:37] <nacc> CarlFK: dunno how you did that
[21:37] <Arex> ducasse, just I not want systemd
[21:38] <pnwise> How do you install that arm iso from the website?
[21:38] <nacc> CarlFK: pastebin `ls -ahl /boot/` ?
[21:38] <pnwise> I am trying to install ubuntu on rpi 2
[21:38] <OerHeks> Arex, then don't use 16.04
[21:38] <ducasse> Arex: then you should not be running ubuntu.
[21:38] <urand0m> nacc, OerHeks should i just compile it from source?
[21:38] <CarlFK> nacc: I have a hunch.  ... this box has some sort of raid .. the installer didn't install grub right, so I booted a xenial rescue, fixed grub...
[21:38] <nacc> urand0m: no, that's a terrible idea
[21:38] <nacc> CarlFK: ah... could be
[21:38] <urand0m> nacc, how come?
[21:39] <mael> hey
[21:39] <Arex> ducasse, no no work
[21:39] <CarlFK> nacc: so I guess I just need to whack some grub.conf.. um.. where is it at now?
[21:39] <nacc> urand0m: 1) compiling php properly is a pain; 2) you'd have to make sure you stay up to do with security fixes, etc.
[21:39] <Squabbler> ducasse & rattking: I finally figured it out. I had to set my /media/username folder chmod to 755
[21:39] <nacc> CarlFK: /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
[21:39] <ducasse> Arex: what 'no work'?
[21:39] <urand0m> nacc, so in other words only do it if i truly know what i am doing
[21:39] <Arex> ducasse, no autorun
[21:39] <nacc> urand0m: yes, and accept that it's not supported by ubuntu (you're on your own)
[21:40] <Arex> ducasse, ask login password an no run xorg
[21:40] <urand0m> nacc, i also plan on using nginx and maria db
[21:40] <ducasse> Arex: most likely because you don't run systemd.
[21:40] <CarlFK> nacc: # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE .. # from /etc/grub.d and settings from /etc/default/grub ... i'll poke around, it should be obvious...
[21:40] <OerHeks> urand0m, use a ppa or switch to 16.04 with standard php7
[21:40] <nacc> urand0m: not sure why you told me that?, but as OerHeks says
[21:40] <Arex> ducasse, I enabled it
[21:40] <urand0m> i already have nginx installed .. should install them in any particular order? should i install php7 before mariadb or vice versa?
[21:40] <Arex> ducasse, and reboot
[21:41] <Arex> ed
[21:41] <urand0m> OerHeks, is there a way to upgrade my distro through the shell with out breaking anything. i dont have physical access i only have shell access
[21:41] <ducasse> Arex: then something is wrong with your configuration.
[21:43] <Arex> ducasse, or with Ubuntu
[21:43] <OerHeks> urand0m, if it is not a heavily tweaked VPS, or VPN, you can, but no guarantees given, and only remote access is your problem
[21:45] <urand0m> OerHeks, https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-upgrade-to-php-7-on-ubuntu-14-04 will this work? (digital ocean is not my host)
[21:47] <OerHeks> urand0m, then i cannot answer that, i gave you a ppa that is common used.
[21:47] <ducasse> urand0m: if your vps provider is any good, they have some form of console access if you break things.
[21:47] <mael> we should not use this type of language
[21:47] <Brochacho> Is there any packages for mingw libraries? Like SDL2 etc
[21:47] <bratchley> I have a server that won't seem to stop trying to use ipv6 when I do apt-get. I've tried single-request in /etc/resolv.conf but it seems to still be trying
[21:47] <bratchley> and it doesn't seem to time out any time soon
[21:48] <Arex> ducasse, now work
[21:48] <Arex> ducasse, and how to autorun apps?
[21:48] <ducasse> Arex: good, then setup your .xinitrc to start everything you need.
[21:49] <ducasse> Arex: start your wm and have that start applications.
[21:50] <_bp> hello fine gentlemen. I've been having a problem with my apt sources; several 404s from archive.ubuntu.com itself
[21:51] <_adb> _bp: which version of ubuntu are you using?
[21:51] <_bp> 16.04
[21:51] <_bp> for example aptitude and apt insist that http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.23-0ubuntu2_i386.deb should be a thing
[21:51] <Bassem> how can i update my instaled application like flashgot
[21:52] <_bp> whereas it's not.
[21:52] <ducasse> Bassem: installed from where?
[21:52] <Arex> ducasse, I need apps without WM
[21:52] <Brochacho> Fedora has mingw-$PKG_NAME but seems like ubuntu/debian don't have anything similar. I'd hate to have to compile them all by hand
[21:52] <_adb> _bp: which is failing, apt-get update or apt-get install?
[21:52] <ducasse> Arex: why?
[21:52] <negev> hi, running 14.04 on my server, when i run do-release-upgrade it says there is no new version available but 16.04.1 was released today..
[21:52] <_bp> _adb: given the 404 when downloading the package I suppose the problem is with either apt-get update or the indexes themselves (?????)
[21:53] <Arex> ducasse, cause
[21:53] <_bp> I _have_ been receiving system updates though
[21:53] <_bp> ...at least some of them.
[21:53] <Arex> ducasse, nano .xinitrc
[21:53] <Bassem> ducasse, websites
[21:53] <SpaceButler> negev, i'm having the same issue, looks like the http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts file hasn't been updated yet
[21:53] <_adb> _bp: try running apt-get update. if it 404s, then check your /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:53] <Bassem> ducasse, like xdman and flashgot ll
[21:53] <_adb> _bp: if apt-get update does not fail, then try your install again
[21:54] <negev> bah
[21:54] <OerHeks> _bp, libc6_2.23-0ubuntu3_i386.deb  and libc6_2.23-1ubuntu1_i386.deb are current, run updates first??
[21:54] <ducasse> Bassem: then you need to update manually, that is why you should use software from the repos.
[21:54] <SpaceButler> I don't know if there is a schedule to update that file or not
[21:54] <CarlFK> nacc: thanks for the help - booted into 4.2, all is well.   I'll try to ignore the 4.4 thing for now
[21:54] <urand0m> OerHeks, i see it now, sorry my colors are not so good. this is the ppa you sent? https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php?field.series_filter=trusty
[21:54] <OerHeks> urand0m, yes.
[21:55] <Bassem> ducasse, but those software are not in repos
[21:55] <ducasse> Bassem: then you must update yourself.
[21:57] <Bassem> ducasse, i need to remove and reinstall them or just reinstall?
[21:57] <Arex> ducasse, ?
[21:57] <urand0m> someone highlight me im trying to make it so i can see
[21:58] <ducasse> Arex: what are you trying to achieve here? why no wm?
[21:58] <minimec> urand0m: ping...
[21:58] <Arex> ducasse, need run app in display on fullscreen
[21:58] <_bp> OerHeks: okay, so I have downloaded and installed the -ubuntu3 package manually, so that's kind of an awkward example for me
[21:58] <Arex> ducasse, 2 apps and 2 displays
[21:59] <urand0m> okay i think it stands out now
[21:59] <negev> SpaceButler: the files are all there, so i've just hacked my own updated file together to kick it off :P
[21:59] <ducasse> Arex: they can still run fullscreen if you have a wm.
[21:59] <urand0m> thank you
[21:59] <_bp> aptitude and apt swear that I should be able to install notify-osd version 0.9.35+16.04.20160413-0ubuntu1
[21:59] <Arex> ducasse, no need wm
[21:59] <_bp> in replacement of what I have installed, 0.9.35+16.04.20151201-0ubuntu1
[21:59] <OerHeks> _bp, that is not how i told you to, just updating would get the new lists and should fix all
[22:00] <_bp> OerHeks: what I'm telling you is that it is not fixing all :)
[22:00] <SpaceButler> negev, i was thinking about doing that, but i'm a bit worried.  hopefully they'll just update the official file soon
[22:00] <_bp> output of apt update - http://paste.ubuntu.com/20368428/
[22:00] <ducasse> Arex: then start them from .xinitrc.
[22:00] <Arex> ducasse, I know but how?
[22:01] <Arex> ducasse, all displays for me is 0?
[22:01] <negev> fuck it, live on the edge :D
[22:01] <ducasse> Arex: you need a wm to position an application.
[22:01] <SpaceButler> i don't run LTS to live on the edge :-D
[22:01] <Arex> ducasse, I need FULLSCREEN ONLY
[22:01] <nacc> CarlFK: yeah, it's an oddness for sure
[22:01] <OerHeks> _bp, maybe proposed is causing this?
[22:02] <m5w> Bashing-om, guest-VcEFUS_: I noticed that X crashes my computer, regardless of what driver I'm using, only when an OpenGL application is running and is not the focused window.
[22:02] <ducasse> Arex: ok, then you figure it out yourself. i have to go.
[22:02] <m5w> doesn't matter if it's minimized, only if it's focused
[22:02] <Arex> ducasse, hey :(
[22:02] <Arex> ducasse, after me
[22:03] <m5w> (I'm using nvidia-361 from the main repositories with bumblebee* and nvidia-prime)
[22:03] <_bp> OerHeks: disabled. apt still thinks http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/notify-osd/notify-osd_0.9.35+16.04.20160413-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb should be a thing
[22:04] <_bp> It's not the only oddity. I have an update pending for dpkg that somehow would break ufw
[22:05] <Arex> Any help please
[22:05] <_bp> dpkg could upgrade to 1.18.4ubuntu1.1 but then it also needs ufw newer than 0.35-0ubuntu2~
[22:06] <_bp> and ufw is at its "latest" version with 0.35-0ubuntu1
[22:07] <urand0m> Arex, what are you trying to figure out?
[22:07] <_bp> some packages are 404ing from the repos, and some other packages that should be there are not in my package index
[22:07] <_bp> so I dunno what's up with any of this :)
[22:07] <Arex> urand0m, need configure .xinitrc and I noob :(
[22:09] <urand0m> Arex, what window manager and desktop environment do you want to use?
[22:09] <Arex> urand0m, Xorg
[22:10] <OerHeks> _bp again, i see http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/u/ufw/ufw_0.35-0ubuntu2_all.deb ... i think you need to run your updates, and all will be fine.  still you *have* enabled proposed, if that update log was real., and proposed can break things...
[22:10] <urand0m> Arex, you do not want to install a desktop environment?
[22:10]  * OerHeks got to walk the dogs
[22:10] <Arex> urand0m, no
[22:11] <urand0m> Arex, but you still want to run an xserver
[22:11] <_bp> so if the log is real, then I _have_ run my updates :)
[22:11] <Arex> urand0m, yes
[22:11] <Arex> urand0m, I use nodm
[22:11] <urand0m> arex what happens if you run startx
[22:12] <Arex> terminate
[22:12] <Arex> because runned
[22:12] <_bp> oh look, I switch apt-get to a server that's not archive.ubuntu.com
[22:12] <_bp> and suddenly 53 upgrades are ready to install :/
[22:13] <Arex> urand0m, it work on first display
[22:13] <Arex> I have firefox there
[22:13] <urand0m> Arex, how many displays do you have?
[22:13] <Arex> urand0m, standard
[22:14] <Arex> urand0m, default mini Ubuntu
[22:15] <Arex> urand0m, but need run only 2 displays with the apps
[22:16] <Arex> 2 displays - 2 apps
[22:18] <Arex> urand0m, ?
[22:21] <Arex> urand0m, :(((
[22:21] <Arex> Hey any help please!
[22:21] <Inocuous> I think you caught everyone at dinner Arex
[22:23] <minimec> Arex: You are not really helping us... To position your software on your two screens, you need a window manager. I don't even know if nodm is capable of handling two monitors well... And you tell us that you ar an 'ubuntu noob', but you seem resistant to any suggestions and help... ;)
[22:24] <Lokie> anyone got a link for a good tutorial for either increasing the space in a live usb or for creating a persistant live usb
[22:24] <Arex> Any help plz
[22:26] <minimec> Arex: I would probably install a light window manager, my preference would be e17. There you can configure everything. Then I would place these programs where I want them, even in fullscreen and set them sticky, fullscreen and prevent them from closing. I would also be able to save these settings and start them on session login (autologin).
[22:27] <SpaceButler> enlightenment is considered a 'light' window manager now? :-D
[22:27] <minimec> Arex: So my advise would be... 'sudo apt install e17' first... and then start to configure according to my needs. That's my advice to you.
[22:27] <Arex> minimec, I want Xorg
[22:28] <SpaceButler> xorg is a x server, that's different from a window manager
[22:28] <Arex> Can I autorun 2 dispays?
[22:28] <SpaceButler> i don't know what you mean by autorun
[22:28] <OerHeks> with 2 displays, you need a DM AFAIK
[22:29] <minimec> SpaceButler: It is. I run that on a Toshiba ac100 and it maybe takes 50mb with a fully loaded and configured session with synapse launcher loaded and so on.
[22:29] <OerHeks> Arex, just use a WM, like a normal setup
[22:29] <Arex> no
[22:29] <Arex> I have nodm
[22:29] <OerHeks> can nodm handle 2 displays??
[22:29] <SpaceButler> minimec, i believe you, it's just funny from a historical perspective
[22:29] <minimec> Arex: If you installed the xserver you run Xorg. Until know Xorg is default for all the window managers.
[22:31] <Queenslayer> Error seeking to offset 2147483648: Invalid argument (g-io-error-quark, 13)
[22:32] <minimec> SpaceButler: You see I run the same e17 configuration for almost 10 years now. Just for the 'historical perspective'. For a multiscreen setup it is 'the solution' besides the tiling wm's maybe.
[22:32] <Queenslayer> Trying to create image of USB onto SSD
[22:32] <Queenslayer> Is it a bug or my configuration?
[22:37] <ryan441> I am having an issue with lamp and ubuntu desktop, whenever I install lamp, my wireless internet disconnects but says I still have a connection but I have to disconnect it completely and reconnect for it to work, and then it does the same thing 5 minutes later.. How do I fix this?
[22:39] <ryan441> I am having an issue with lamp and ubuntu desktop, whenever I install lamp, my wireless internet disconnects but says I still have a connection but I have to disconnect it completely and reconnect for it to work, and then it does the same thing 5 minutes later.. How do I fix this?
[22:39] <ryan441> anyone??
[22:39] <orlock> lamp.. as in lamp stack?
[22:39] <ryan441> lamp server
[22:39] <ape> ape
[22:39] <ryan441> which installs apache, etc
[22:39] <furloughing> furloughing
[22:39] <offsets> offsets
[22:40] <pooched> pooched
[22:40] <performances> performances
[22:40] <orlock> ryan441: is that a package you are installing, or via a script...
[22:40] <ryan441> package
[22:40] <disburse> disburse
[22:40] <ryan441> I used apt-get
[22:40] <cases> cases
[22:41] <Short> Short
[22:41] <goobers> goobers
[22:41] <trachea> trachea
[22:41] <shameful> shameful
[22:41] <fierier> fierier
[22:41] <semitones> semitones
[22:41] <Rollins> Rollins
[22:41] <dairymaid> dairymaid
[22:41] <macro> macro
[22:42] <cowardly> cowardly
[22:42] <overemphasized> overemphasized
[22:42] <Bumppo> Bumppo
[22:42] <carpal> carpal
[22:42] <reincarnated> reincarnated
[22:42] <remembers> remembers
[22:43] <reflexes> reflexes
[22:43] <golly> golly
[22:43] <Sloane> Sloane
[22:43] <Pluto> Pluto
[22:43] <minimec> !ops I don't know how you can stop that, but do something.... please
[22:43] <ryan441> anyone here know why ubuntu is doing that??
[22:43] <MonkeyDust> the channel is under attack
[22:45] <orlock> ryan441: None of the components of the LAMP stack should interfere with your IP networking
[22:45] <ryan441> It's apache that is causing it.
[22:45] <orlock> ryan441: which is why i'm asking how, specifically are you installing the components
[22:45] <orlock> How do you know?
[22:45] <ryan441> I just did sudo apt-get install lamp-server^
[22:45] <Zgan> hello any one know how to run the wifi on ubuntu server
[22:45] <ryan441> Because I did a fresh ubuntu install and it worked fine, then I installed apache and it started it.
[22:46] <orlock> you mean you installed lamp-server? or apache?
[22:46] <orlock> thats the "a" theres also the "m" and the "p"
[22:46] <orlock> none of which are likely to do that
[22:46] <ryan441> I installed apache first a while ago and it caused it, so I did a fresh install and tried lamp-server and it still caused it
[22:46] <ryan441> well it's causing it for me?
[22:47] <ryan441> It did this multiple times now and it only does it after I install apache or something that installs apache.
[22:47] <ryan441> it says right now that the wifi is connected but no internet is working, if I disconnect and reconnect, it works for 5 minutes and stops again
[22:48] <orlock> do the following when its working and not working
[22:48] <orlock> ip addr list
[22:48] <orlock> ip addr route
[22:48] <minimec> Zgan: Without a GUI configure it manually via 'wpa_supplicant'. Looke here and go to the according section... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo
[22:49] <ryan441> it says command route is unknown
[22:49] <nacc> ryan441: what do you mean "no internet is working" ?
[22:49] <ryan441> nacc: meaning I cannot view any web pages, it just keeps loading.
[22:50] <orlock> sorry, just ip route,
[22:50] <orlock> you can redirect the output to a file so you can put it up on pastebin once the internet is working again
[22:50] <ryan441> okay
[22:51] <Zgan> minimec: thanks for the link
[22:55] <hodgepodges> hodgepodges
[22:55] <girlfriend> girlfriend
[22:55] <restricted> restricted
[22:55] <narc> narc
[22:55] <electrocardiogra> electrocardiographs
[22:55] <Deanna> Deanna
[22:55] <unbolts> unbolts
[22:55] <mistreat> mistreat
[22:56] <bedazzling> bedazzling
[22:56] <schemer> schemer
[22:56] <orlock> orlock
[22:56] <SpaceButler> someone is having fun
[22:56] <ryan441> okay back
[22:56] <OerHeks> !ops
[22:56] <ryan441> I got the pastebin on what it said
[22:56] <ryan441> do I just send it here?
[22:57] <pauljw_vm> ryan441, just put the link here.
[22:57] <ryan441> http://pastebin.com/ytdgLJPu
[22:57] <orlock> ryan441: also, basic network troubleshooting - in the output of "ip route" will be a line that says "default via ..." - ping the IP address thats listed
[22:57] <orlock> so in your case 192.168.1.1
[22:59] <nacc> ryan441: when it's "not working" can you 'ping 8.8.8.8' ?
[23:00] <ryan441> okay I will do that now
[23:00] <ryan441> it says Destination host unreachable
[23:01] <orlock> ryan441: could you ping 192.168.1.1?
[23:01] <ryan441> I did
[23:01] <ryan441> it says it is unreachable
[23:02] <ryan441> and then I disconnected and reconnected and now it says 64 Bytes from 192.168.1.1
[23:02] <ryan441> and then 5 minutes later it will not let me connect to any sites again
[23:03] <orlock> ok, sounds like your wireless is screwing up for some reason, everything appears correctl, unsure of how to debug, and there is no way that apache should be causing those issues
[23:03] <orlock> but you could always stop apache and see if it makes a difference
[23:03] <ryan441> okay I'll stop apache and see once the internet stops working to see what it does
[23:04] <ryan441> but it only does it after I install apache that is why it's confusing me
[23:04] <Hydr0p0nX> does dmesg show anything when it drops ?
[23:05] <ryan441> let me see once it does it again.. It doesn't say it got disconnected or anything, it shows I have internet but then when I go to a page it keeps loading unless I disconnect it and reconnect
[23:08] <ryan441> it still allows me to view pages, still waiting for it to stop again..
[23:13] <ax562> Can someone help me with this? "libmtp error: Could not send object info"
[23:13] <ax562> happens when I try to copy files to tablet
[23:13] <nrdb> ryan441, keep an eye on your default route via "route -n"
[23:14] <ryan441> oaky
[23:14] <ryan441> okay
[23:14] <Hydr0p0nX> ryan441, this is a wifi connection, right?
[23:14] <ryan441> yes
[23:14] <ryan441> I did dmesg, what am I looking for?
[23:15] <Hydr0p0nX> just pastebin the last 20-30 lines
[23:16] <ryan441> okay
[23:16] <Hydr0p0nX> you may have the wifi adapter being put to sleep, especially if just disconnect/reconnect or restarting the service fixes it
[23:17] <minimec> ax562: verify that 'mtpfs' is installed first. It may help. 'sudo apt install mtpfs'
[23:17] <ryan441> http://pastebin.com/h4KjmEya there is what I got from dmesg last 30 lines or so
[23:18] <ryan441> how do I know if its getting put to sleep?
[23:19] <ax562> minimec ------> http://pastebin.com/zeXUaD3m
[23:21] <gestates> gestates
[23:22] <sergeants> sergeants
[23:22] <minimec> ax562: I would first try 'mtpfs'. Next step would be 'Go-mtpfs' --> http://www.webupd8.org/2012/12/how-to-mount-android-40-ubuntu-go-mtpfs.html
[23:22] <Bohemus> how can I boot ubuntu 16.04 directly via efistub? Its the only OS on the machine.
[23:22] <Hydr0p0nX> ryan441 - you can try restarting the network service, i haven't upgraded to 16.04 so not sure of the command as I've heard it changes
[23:23] <arise> arise
[23:23] <ryan441> okay.. I will search it out then
[23:23] <carillon> carillon
[23:23] <Segundo> Segundo
[23:23] <polymer> polymer
[23:23] <Belize> Belize
[23:23] <disfranchises> disfranchises
[23:23] <pontifical> pontifical
[23:23] <purees> purees
[23:23] <treatments> treatments
[23:24] <Huston> Huston
[23:24] <swinish> swinish
[23:24] <Hydr0p0nX> ryan441 - you can try: sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager.service
[23:24] <squatting> squatting
[23:24] <unconnected> unconnected
[23:24] <skulking> skulking
[23:24] <reloaded> reloaded
[23:24] <worryings> worryings
[23:24] <whacky> whacky
[23:24] <handstand> handstand
[23:24] <mobility> mobility
[23:24] <sourest> sourest
[23:24] <hoodoos> hoodoos
[23:24] <consuls> consuls
[23:24] <coagulate> coagulate
[23:24] <orlock> wth is with all the client quits?
[23:25] <Caldwell> Caldwell
[23:25] <rectory> rectory
[23:25] <contraceptive> contraceptive
[23:25] <attender> attender
[23:25] <professions> professions
[23:25] <orlock> can we get them banned?
[23:25] <cauterized> cauterized
[23:25] <cleat> cleat
[23:25] <gypsum> gypsum
[23:25] <Noel> Noel
[23:25] <beseech> beseech
[23:25] <orlock> Op?
[23:25] <animators> animators
[23:26] <partiality> partiality
[23:26] <Baathist> Baathist
[23:26] <defaultnick> saint
[23:26] <minimec> orlock: this nikcs are hijacked I think. They all have a different IP
[23:26] <orlock> minimec: most were from 185.133.32.19
[23:26] <aggravating> aggravating
[23:26] <campsite> campsite
[23:26] <orlock> few others though it seems
[23:26] <gabardines> gabardines
[23:27] <materials> materials
[23:27] <inequalities> inequalities
[23:27] <perused> perused
[23:27] <ranch> ranch
[23:27] <fifties> fifties
[23:28] <compassionately> compassionately
[23:28] <prate> prate
[23:28] <delights> delights
[23:28] <Chatterley> Chatterley
[23:28] <whizz> whizz
[23:28] <Hydr0p0nX> ryan-c - if that works, you can try using Wicd instead of networkmanager, instructions for it can be found here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WICD
[23:28] <forefoot> forefoot
[23:28] <minimec> OPS! SOme IP's 46.166.137.244, 185.133.132.19, 46.166.190.183, 46.166.190.232
[23:28] <Hydr0p0nX> ryan441^^
[23:28] <jumps> jumps
[23:28] <Haggai> Haggai
[23:29] <tarnished> tarnished
[23:30] <squeals> squeals
[23:30] <armadas> armadas
[23:30] <ryan441> okay I did that command
[23:30] <vied> vied
[23:30] <wranglers> wranglers
[23:30] <Tin_man> i'll check back after kindergarten class is over
[23:30] <aerialists> aerialists
[23:30] <Hydr0p0nX> ryan441 - did your network come back up after?
[23:30] <pitchfork> pitchfork
[23:31] <projectionists> projectionists
[23:31] <sandmen> sandmen
[23:31] <noisome> noisome
[23:31] <collector> collector
[23:31] <reciprocation> reciprocation
[23:31] <beget> beget
[23:31] <showboats> showboats
[23:33] <stipends> stipends
[23:33] <segueing> Tut
[23:33] <ryan441> yes its backup
[23:33] <ryan441> I am waiting to see if it'll do it again or not
[23:33] <mayors> mayors
[23:34] <conflagration> conflagration
[23:34] <teacher> teacher
[23:34] <chambermaids> chambermaids
[23:34] <superstars> superstars
[23:35] <drpuritan> greetings
[23:35] <alibis> alibis
[23:35] <Hydr0p0nX> ryan441 - since that works, you can try using Wicd instead of networkmanager, instructions for it can be found here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WICD , I've never had much stability with network manager + wifi
[23:35] <jedediah> I'd like to run a shell script if/when Unattended-Upgrade runs and installs packages. The default configuration has a commented example of 'Unattended-Upgrade::Mail "root";' -- is there a similar flag available for running a script instead?
[23:35] <Evenki> Evenki
[23:35] <hillsides> hillsides
[23:36] <ax562> minimec I have all those installed already. check the pastebin http://pastebin.com/zeXUaD3m
[23:36] <drpuritan> any folks use ubuntu in ministry?
[23:36] <ryan441> okay I will try that out
[23:36] <ryan441> thanks
[23:36] <subleasing> subleasing
[23:36] <ax562> anyone else have any ideas on the issue?
[23:36] <opaquer> opaquer
[23:37] <ax562> "libmtp error: Could not send object info"
[23:37] <ax562> YankDownUnder any thoughts?
[23:37] <sap> sap
[23:37] <drub> drub
[23:37] <inedible> inedible
[23:37] <Nation> Nation
[23:37] <professions> professions
[23:38] <drainpipe> drainpipe
[23:39] <minimec> ax562: 'dpkg -s mtpfs' to see if the package is installed. ' apt-cache search' only searches available package. Doesn't mean that they are installed.
[23:39] <pomade> pomade
[23:39] <divisional> divisional
[23:39] <ax562> apt-cache search mtpfs
[23:39] <ax562> go-mtpfs - Mount MTP devices over FUSE
[23:39] <ax562> golang-github-hanwen-usb-dev - CGO bindings for libusb.
[23:39] <ax562> jmtpfs - FUSE based filesystem for accessing MTP devices
[23:39] <ax562> mtpfs - FUSE filesystem for Media Transfer Protocol devices
[23:40] <lavatory> lavatory
[23:41] <still> still
[23:41] <irritable> irritable
[23:42] <abdullahi> irc.evilzone.org
[23:42] <minimec> ryan441: 'wicd' might indeed be worth a try, but you don't have to remove 'network-manager' in 16.04. You can just disable it with 'sudo systemctrl disable NetworkManager.service' and reboot...
[23:42] <drinks> drinks
[23:42] <anaesthetize> anaesthetize
[23:42] <ryan441> okay
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[23:44] <stagehand> stagehand
[23:44] <electrolyte> electrolyte
[23:44] <ryan441> I installed wicd and disabled it, rebooting now to see what it does..
[23:44] <ax562> wth is going on?
[23:44] <ax562> too much crap traffic
[23:44] <stirring> stirring
[23:44] <ax562> minimec apt-cache search mtpfs
[23:44] <ax562> go-mtpfs - Mount MTP devices over FUSE
[23:44] <ax562> golang-github-hanwen-usb-dev - CGO bindings for libusb.
[23:44] <ax562> jmtpfs - FUSE based filesystem for accessing MTP devices
[23:44] <ax562> mtpfs - FUSE filesystem for Media Transfer Protocol devices
[23:45] <monochrome> monochrome
[23:45] <roosters> roosters
[23:45] <sidelines> sidelines
[23:45] <excommunications> excommunications
[23:45] <nacc> ax562: minimec told you that apt-cache just searches available packages
[23:45] <Carlson> Carlson
[23:45] <nacc> ax562: use dpkg -s
[23:45] <abdullahi> quit
[23:46] <minimec> ax562: I can tell you again and again.... 'dpkg -s mtpfs' to see if the package is installed. apt-cache search doesn't tell you whether the package is installed.
[23:46] <jounces> jounces
[23:47] <motivates> motivates
[23:47] <ryan441> so far its working, I will let you know if it stops again
[23:47] <orlock> And all you did was disable the apache service?
[23:47] <Bassem> is there some thing better to programming in vb.net rather than MonoDevelop
[23:47] <orlock> thats really weird
[23:48] <ryan441> no, I installed wicd
[23:48] <ryan441> I haven't disabled it yet
[23:48] <ryan441> if it does it again I will
[23:48] <nacc> ryan441: so i think it's not related to apache then; but something with nm?
[23:48] <ryan441> I'm not sure, it takes 5-10 minutes to do it again
[23:48] <ax562> my minimec and nacc I thought "apt-cache search mtpfs" searched local machine. :/
[23:48] <ryan441> I just rebooted after it did it and after I installed wicd so I am waiting to see
[23:48] <ax562> sorry minimec and nacc I thought "apt-cache search mtpfs" searched local machine. :/
[23:48] <kalenpw> @Bassem yes, Vim
[23:49] <Bassem> kalenpw, is it better?
[23:50] <nacc> Bassem: kalenpw is sort of being sarcastic, I think; vim is just an editor. You can program in just about any language in just an editor. But I'm guessing if you're actually using VB, you want an IDE.
[23:50] <kalenpw> Yeah half sarcastic vim is a very good text editor but if you're looking for an ide you're probably stuck on monodevelop unless you wanna run a windows vm with vs
[23:51] <Bassem> nacc, true im looking in IDE in ubuntu softwear
[23:51] <Bassem> nacc, im just wondering if ther's something better than MonoDevelop
[23:51] <nacc> Bassem: given that it's M$ stuff, mono is your best bet
[23:51] <Bassem> nacc, thanks alot
[23:52] <Bassem> nacc, what about netbeans
[23:52] <nacc> Bassem: isn't netbeans for java?
[23:52] <nrdb> has anyone gotten ltsp to work on 16.04?  I am having a lot of trouble.
[23:53] <Bassem> nacc,  really dunno
[23:53] <Bassem> nacc, oh yes it's sorry
[23:53] <Bluez_> hey guys, anyone here using strongswan with 16.04 ?
[23:53] <nacc> Bassem: http://askubuntu.com/questions/6588/is-there-a-visual-studio-style-tool-ide
[23:53] <Bluez_> everything was working fine, now suddenly it’s freezing between accepting SA’s
[23:54] <kalenpw> Bassem I've never tried it, but Visual Studio code is supposedly pretty good not really a full fledged ide though
[23:54] <Bluez_> no config changes etc, so it must have been some update that did it
[23:55] <nacc> Bluez_: i don't think strongswan itself has been updated since 16.04 came out
[23:55] <Bluez_> apt-get still uses 5.3.5.  strong swan’s latest release is 5.5.0
[23:55] <Bluez_> anyway i mean some ubuntu update has caused the problems
[23:56] <Bluez_> nothing else on the server has changed
[23:56] <nacc> !latest | Bluez_
[23:57] <nacc> Bluez_: you could look at your apt log and see, i guess
[23:57] <nacc> Bassem: also, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PowerUsersProgramming
[23:57] <Bluez_> yeah i did that but didn’t see anything obvious
[23:57] <Bluez_> i’m installing 14.04 now on another machine to check
[23:57] <Bluez_> it’s the only explanation i can come up with
[23:57] <Bassem> nacc, thanks alot
[23:58] <ax562> minimec and nacc thank you! I think that did it.  Sorry about the miscommunication
[23:58] <minimec> ax562: No problem.
[23:58] <matt__> hello
[23:58] <ax562> do you guys know why that isn't a standard ubuntu package?
[23:59] <nacc> ax562: why what isn't?
[23:59] <nacc> ax562: and what do you mean by "standard ubuntu package"?