[05:17] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:36] <Kilos> o/
[11:15] <elacheche> Any LC members around?
[11:24] <tsimonq2> !lococouncil | elacheche 
[11:25] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:30] <elacheche> thx tsimonq2.. :'( 
[11:31] <tsimonq2> elacheche: hm?
[11:31] <tsimonq2> elacheche: why the cry face?
[11:31] <Kilos> lol
[11:32] <elacheche> Kilos understands me x)
[11:36] <Kilos> they are all ignoring him
[11:36] <Kilos> hehe
[12:17] <svij> elacheche: how can I help you?
[12:21] <elacheche> Hello svij :)
[12:25] <elacheche> I was wondering, if the LC think about reviewing the rules to run a LoCo, and try to make it easier if it's not.. 
[12:25] <Kilos> ohh my, are there rules
[12:25]  * Kilos needs a copy
[12:25] <elacheche> Or & make them clear (better) on wiki.. So new locos & people don't misunderstand them.. 
[12:26] <elacheche> Kilos: things like monthly reports, etc.. 
[12:26] <Kilos> oh ya
[12:26] <svij> there are rules?
[12:27] <Kilos> hahahaha
[12:27] <tsimonq2> svij: approval rules
[12:27] <svij> ah
[12:27] <tsimonq2> for a LoCo to be approved it has to have X Y Z
[12:27] <tsimonq2> which kind of translates to be the rules to run a LoCo
[12:28] <svij> well, approval rules are not that hard. You just have to show that there are active people, active community and active projects
[12:28] <tsimonq2> really? I thought it was WAY more complex
[12:28] <tsimonq2> there's a wiki page somewhere
[12:28] <svij> yeah there's a page…
[12:28] <svij> …somewhere™…
[12:29] <elacheche> Yep, that's it! Of course every new LoCo (or new loco  member) want to get it's loco approved, so they start applying those ruels, after months, they give up or get busy and no one do them.. So I think it's time to review them and make things more clear & simple on the wiki
[12:29] <tsimonq2> I agree
[12:29] <tsimonq2> we have people in the Wisconsin LoCo and that's kinda what happened
[12:30] <tsimonq2> every so often someone sends something to the mailing list and we all talk
[12:30] <tsimonq2> but other than that we don't have a lot of projects, meetups, or meetings
[12:30]  * Kilos agrees with elacheche
[12:31] <svij> tsimonq2: in that case: does this LoCo *has* to be approved?
[12:32] <tsimonq2> svij: no it doesn't
[12:32] <tsimonq2> but I was just sort of stating my experience
[12:32] <elacheche> tsimonq2: We used to have events & reports & meetings (irl/irc), but after years new guys don't like to write reports or those activities, so I find myself writing everything down everytime, sometimes I ask Na3iL to do that.. People don't like to manage the community in a "processed" way, so I find myself doing that as well.. At the end I feel like I'm losing it.. 
[12:33] <tsimonq2> I agree with elacheche 
[12:33] <svij> elacheche: now I understand what you mean
[12:33] <svij> well you don't have to write down *everything* to get approved
[12:34] <tsimonq2> but the threshold is pretty high
[12:34] <svij> our german LoCo is rather simple, every two years we check what we have done in the last two years: It's mostly ~2 ubucons, one active community portal with forum, wiki etc. and that's mostly it
[12:35] <svij> (and mostly there are people who blog about it anyway)
[12:35] <elacheche> Today I was shocked by our ML.. Last time I sent a mail for an urgent & important irc meeting only 2 persons replied ( Na3iL & an other guy).. Only those 2 showed up.. Today, someone sent a test mail to the ML and asked people to tell him if they got his email.. 25 replies.. I feel so sad
[12:35] <Na3iL> elacheche, I was shocked too to see 25 replies 
[12:36]  * svij doesn't personally like MLs
[12:36] <svij> but right know I don't think the threshold is too high
[12:36] <Kilos> hahahaha
[12:37] <svij> anyway, can you send a longer explanation with your ideas, problems etc to loco-council@lists.ubuntu.com, elacheche? So others can answer as well
[12:37]  * svij still needs to answer Kilos email ;)
[12:37] <Kilos> yes svij 
[12:38] <Kilos> hehe
[12:38] <Kilos> just give me the biggest hammer you can find and ill bash everything back into shape
[12:38] <tsimonq2> XD
[12:39] <elacheche> svij: I am planning to.. I need to take a 60min breack of everything, clear my mind then restart thinking about everything from scratch.. I'm so confused right now
[12:40] <svij> yeah me too ;)
[12:40]  * svij is currently at work
[12:40] <Kilos> think it all out nicely elacheche and make your ideas easy to implement
[12:41] <elacheche> :)
[12:42] <Kilos> and ill support you
[12:43] <Kilos> i wont leave to to fight battles on your own like some people do
[12:43]  * Kilos hides
[12:45] <elacheche> Kilos: Do you havee a choice?? :D 
[12:45]  * elacheche kidding :p
[12:45] <Kilos> hahaha
[12:45] <Kilos> so cheeky
[12:46] <elacheche> :D
[12:46] <Kilos> i dont have much choise because i cant make up good excuses like some people
[12:47] <Kilos> like fasting or getting married etc
[12:47] <elacheche> loool.. 
[12:48]  * elacheche hides
[14:01] <belkinsa> Just jumping in here, the main problem that I see with LoCos dieing is that leadership is not being passed down.
[14:01]  * Kilos agrees
[14:02] <belkinsa> And also not saying that they moved on to social media.
[14:02] <Kilos> lol. yes some just got too busy with other things
[14:03] <Kilos> the old fire burned out
[14:03] <Kilos> im hoping i dont get like that
[16:23] <Kilos> so much cuter without the dragging tail pleia2 
[16:24] <pleia2> haha
[16:35] <Kilos> svij you here?
[16:38] <svij> Kilos: yo
[17:02] <Kilos> sorry svij had to go eat
[17:02] <Kilos> can you support me in the mail from rt please
[17:03] <Kilos> or just hear who in the lc is against my actions
[17:03] <Kilos> hopefully everyone is happy
[17:04] <svij> Kilos: I don't even know which domain/community is the one you want to help
[17:04] <Kilos> i am a bit out of my depth with all this stuff i think
[17:04] <Kilos> -bd and -pk
[17:05] <Kilos> 2 of them
[17:05] <svij> ah ok
[19:18] <Kilos> night everyone