[05:00] <magespawn> good morning
[05:07] <superfly> Morning magespawn 
[05:08] <magespawn> conference over and doen?
[05:08] <magespawn> done too
[05:08] <superfly> Yup, two weeks ago now 
[05:09] <magespawn> i lose track of time, sometimes
[05:09] <superfly> magespawn: it means you're getting old :-P
[05:20] <magespawn>  i go with tha, also focused on a few othe things
[05:20] <magespawn> other
[05:22] <superfly> :) 
[05:38] <paddatrapper> Morning everyone 
[05:40] <superfly> Morning paddatrapper 
[05:40] <superfly> thatgraemeguy: so, are you playing Pokemon, or Ingress? 
[06:18] <thatgraemeguy> morning
[06:18] <thatgraemeguy> superfly: I'm not sure "playing" is the correct term ;-)
[06:18] <thatgraemeguy> I have installed both recently, and poked my fingers at them, not sure if you would call that "playing" really
[06:22] <paddatrapper> thatgraemeguy: you've managed to survive installing Pokémon? Well done! 
[06:23] <thatgraemeguy> the wife plays it, I don't bother
[06:24] <Langjan> G'morning Kilos and the guys
[06:24] <Kilos> morning Langjan paddatrapper thatgraemeguy 
[06:24] <thatgraemeguy> my day starts at 05:30 and relax time starts at 20:00, and by then I don't want to be wandering around staring at my phone
[06:24] <Langjan> News from down under Kilos ?
[06:25] <Kilos> still waiting to hear Langjan 
[06:25] <Langjan> ok let me know, and your WILL still doing its job?
[06:25] <Kilos> yessir
[06:25] <Kilos> struggling a bit though
[06:25] <Kilos> hehe
[06:25] <Langjan> Great guns! Youre a star! Well done
[06:26] <Langjan> Eks trots op jou
[06:27] <Kilos> nie baie maklik nie
[06:27] <Langjan> Ek is seker, maar ek weet ook jy kán
[06:27] <Langjan> Het die pakkie al aangekom?
[06:27] <Kilos> haha en die hoes is erger
[06:28] <Langjan> Miskien die longe wat nou met meer entoesiasme skoonmaak
[06:28] <Langjan> en dankbaar is vir die geleentheid
[06:29] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:29] <Langjan> Die oomblik dat jy ophou, begin die herstelproses
[06:30] <Langjan> en die ergste skade word elke keer aangerig deur die éérste sigaret van die dag
[06:31] <Langjan> onthou dit
[06:31] <Langjan> dan sal jy daardie eerste een makliker vermy
[06:31] <Kilos> lol ok ek sal die laaste een rook dan
[06:31] <Kilos> haha
[06:31] <Langjan> lmga!
[06:31] <Langjan> Geen salf aan jou te smeer nie...
[06:31] <Kilos> lol
[06:32] <Langjan> dis soos die ou wat losies langs die spoorlyn kry
[06:32] <Kilos> en daar kom nog sneeu
[06:32] <Langjan> die tannie sê die treine sal hom dalk die erste paar nagte pla
[06:32] <Langjan> toe sê hy moenie worry nie hy sal die eerste paar nagte by sy pêl se huis slaap
[06:33] <Kilos> haha
[06:33] <Langjan> sneeu?
[06:33] <Kilos> weather man says it will snow on mountains this weekend
[06:34] <Kilos> het ek dit verkeerd gespel
[06:34] <Langjan> sjoe, en daar kom die koue weer alweer
[06:34] <Kilos> sug ja
[06:34] <Langjan> Ok my vriend, jy moet my verskoon ons seun kom kuier en ek moet gaan paar dinge koop
[06:35] <Langjan> het die pakkie nog nie gekom nie?
[06:35] <Kilos> nee
[06:35] <Langjan> ok ek volg weer op
[06:35] <Kilos> genieg jou dag oom
[06:35] <Langjan> lekker dag vir jou
[06:35] <Langjan> dankie
[06:35] <Kilos> selle daar dankie
[06:40] <superfly> thatgraemeguy: I think you'd find Ingress more interesting than Pokemon. After having played Ingress for 3.5 years, and hearing what people say about Pokemon, I'll be surprised if people play it for longer than 6 months.
[06:41] <thatgraemeguy> I don't see where I'm supposed to find the time
[06:41] <superfly> I do it on my commute, but that's also because I take the train, so I have the time there.
[06:42] <thatgraemeguy> haha no thanks, never again
[06:53] <dlPhreak> Morning
[06:54] <anton_may> mornings
[06:55] <Kilos> hi dlPhreak anton_may 
[06:55] <Kilos> and superfly 
[06:55] <Kilos> and inetpro 
[06:55] <superfly> Kilos: morning sleepyhead
[06:55] <superfly> :-P
[06:56] <inetpro> ohi oom Kilos
[06:56] <Kilos> hehe
[06:56] <inetpro> and hello everyone else also
[07:02] <dlPhreak> How is everyone doing?
[07:05] <inetpro> at least I'm not everyone but I'm good
[07:05] <inetpro> it's Friday after all
[07:05] <inetpro> dlPhreak: how are you doing?
[07:07] <Kilos> cold
[07:10] <nsnzero> just some information - ms access database can be read with kexi from the calligra suite - tables are imported 
[08:26] <dlPhreak> Good thanks inetpro, TGIF
[08:54]  * Squirm wanders in
[08:56] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[08:58] <paddatrapper> dlPhreak: I don't know how I'm still awake today... So tired 
[09:11] <Kilos> eish
[09:11] <Kilos> why
[09:24] <dlPhreak> I know the feels, paddatrapper 
[09:57] <paddatrapper> Kilos: long week. Lots of late nights and very early mornings 
[09:57] <Kilos> eish
[10:09] <thatgraemeguy> Maaz: seen mazal
[10:09] <Maaz> thatgraemeguy: mazal was last seen 1 month, 13 days, 16 hours, 56 minutes and 5 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2016-06-08 10:13:24 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2016-06-08 11:59:24 PDT
[10:09] <thatgraemeguy> sjoe
[10:09] <thatgraemeguy> where is that outjie?
[10:09] <Kilos> haha
[10:10] <Kilos> he says peeps fight with him here
[10:10] <Kilos> very snsitive fella
[10:11] <thatgraemeguy> mmmm yeah
[10:12] <thatgraemeguy> I see he was last here ranting about Kubuntu being the Vista of Linux
[10:12] <thatgraemeguy> He should probably just install Windows 10, doesn't sound like he knows what he's talking about :D
[10:13] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:54] <SEptic> g'day
[11:08] <Kilos> hi SEptic 
[11:10] <SEptic> hey Kilos
[12:27] <jerit> guys I'm having a hell of a time here
[12:27] <jerit> need to find a folder called pets.plootopos.com but nothing I've tried works
[12:27] <Kilos> hi jerit 
[12:27] <jerit> sudo find / -xdev 2>/dev/null -name pets.plootopos.com
[12:28] <jerit> sudo find / 2>/dev/null -name pets.plootopos.com
[12:28] <jerit> find / -name pets.plootopos.com -type d
[12:28] <jerit> whereis pets.plootopos.com
[12:30] <Kilos> jerit be patient, as soon as someone gets a break theyll help you
[12:30] <jerit> no worries, I asked on reddit as well
[12:31] <jerit> and I'm doing CompTIA's Linux+ on Cybrary over the weekend too
[12:31] <Kilos> lets see if we can wake someone
[12:32] <Kilos> chesedo inetpro superfly thatgraemeguy ideas ^^
[12:32] <inetpro> it's Friday, I've run out of ideas for the week
[12:33] <inetpro> oops... let me read
[12:33] <Kilos> and jerit you are welcome here all the time  not only problem times
[12:34] <jerit> Much appreciated. Didn't even know about this channel until a friend of mine just told me about it
[12:35] <Kilos> tell your friend i say thanks 
[12:36] <inetpro> jerit: locate pets.plootopos.com
[12:36] <thatgraemeguy> if 'find / -name pets.plootopos.com -type d' didn't find it then 1) it doesn't exist, or 2) you spelled it wrong, or 3) its not a directory (symlink perhaps)
[12:36] <jerit> still nothing inetpro
[12:37] <jerit> thatgraemeguy I'm guessing the last is the case here
[12:38] <jerit> set up vesta CP for my web hosting there but I have no idea where it put the websites
[12:40] <thatgraemeguy> perhaps the name of the directory doesn't even contain the vhost DNS name
[12:40] <thatgraemeguy> I don't really do control panels, sorry
[12:40] <jerit> well it just installed and configured apache and such so I didn't have to
[12:41] <jerit> if I could find apache's vhost config file maybe I can find the website folder
[12:41] <thatgraemeguy> what O/S is it?
[12:41] <jerit> ubuntu 14.03.4 I believe
[12:41] <jerit> server that is
[12:41] <Kilos> 14.04.3
[12:41] <jerit> ya that one
[12:42] <Kilos> hehe
[12:42] <thatgraemeguy> should be in /etc/apache2/sites-{available|enabled} unless Vesta does weird stuff
[12:43] <jerit> there exists both a sites-enabled and a sites-available
[12:43] <thatgraemeguy> might be in there
[12:44] <thatgraemeguy> although they seem to put stuff in weird places: https://vestacp.com/docs/#config-log-location-debian-ubuntu
[12:44] <thatgraemeguy> sites-available typically contains configured vhosts, and sites-enabled contains symlinks to them
[12:45] <thatgraemeguy> so if you have a vhost sites-available/www.example.net.conf then you can enable it using 'a2ensite www.example.net' and reload apache
[12:45] <thatgraemeguy> i.e. apache only reads what's in sites-enabled when it is building its config
[12:46] <thatgraemeguy> but again, I 'm describing default Debian/Ubuntu behaviour, control panels can do other things, I wouldn't know
[12:51] <jerit> I don't understand what I'm looking at in these folders to be honest
[12:51] <jerit> [14:42] <thatgraemeguy> sites-available typically contains configured vhosts, and sites-enabled contains symlinks to them       <<< that's fixed this problem, however
[12:52] <thatgraemeguy> yeah the thing with control panels is that its typically an all-or-nothing thing
[12:52] <thatgraemeguy> what i mean is, if you want to use the CP, then you use it exclusively, don't go mucking about with files and directories on the filesystem, you are going to cause yourself pain
[12:55] <jerit> found it... DocumentRoot /var/www/root
[12:55] <jerit> err... /var/www/html
[12:56] <jerit> all that's there is an index.html
[12:56] <jerit> :/
[12:57] <anton_may> Hi jerit did you try the locate cmd?
[12:57] <jerit> I did
[12:57] <jerit> apparently what I'm looking for isn't in the smylinks or something
[12:58] <thatgraemeguy> jerit: honestly I would disregard what I've said, and seek help on using the control panel
[12:58] <thatgraemeguy> like I said these control panels are meant to fully manage everything for you, you aren't supposed to much around on the filesystem
[12:59] <thatgraemeguy> either that or ditch the CP and figure out how to do what you want properly
[13:00] <jerit> doing it properly would mean hiring someone to admin the system who know's what he's doing and I can't afford that yet sadly
[13:00] <jerit> CP doesn't make sense to me either really
[13:02] <Trixar_za> thatgraemeguy, what if the cp is lacking the permissions to actually create the users it claims it does - maybe they only exist within the database, but it lacks the permission to create the physical location. You know how tempermental 'all-in-one' solutions can be :/
[13:06] <jerit> well, I was able to put the files in
[13:06] <jerit> what if I went into the FTP (confusing as that will be since the CP prefixes all ftp usernames with "admin_" for some reason) and create a file called jeritsomethingorother and search for that
[13:06] <jerit> ... if there are no symlinks for the site I'm guessing that wouldn't work hey
[13:07] <thatgraemeguy> Trixar_za: then its a bad CP or badly installed
[13:07] <Trixar_za> Knowing Debian/Ubuntu defaults, can be a bit of both :P
[13:08] <thatgraemeguy> regardless, this is a "have your cake and eat it" scenario in my view, others may not agree. you either want to use the CP or you want to DIY
[13:08] <Trixar_za> Ok, so I googled. The default should be indeed in /var/www/html, but under /var/www/html/USERNAME/
[13:09] <jerit> ftp says this for pets.plootopos.com -> /home/admin/web/pets.plootopos.com
[13:09]  * inetpro agrees with thatgraemeguy
[13:09] <jerit> that dir doesn't exist though
[13:09] <inetpro> do it the proper way, it is not difficult
[13:10] <anton_may> that's what she said.......
[13:10] <inetpro> control panels are for those who don't want to understand things
[13:10] <Trixar_za> anton_may: she was wrong
[13:10] <anton_may> lol
[13:10] <jerit> thatgraemeguy well I don't actually know the password for the ftp so I thought rather than going through doing a reset and all, might as well just directly edit the files I need to edit
[13:35] <jerit> well, took me 5+ hours but I finally found everything I was looking for and also found that I don't have to make any changes
[13:36] <jerit> That's kinda irritating since that's basically 5+ hours wasted
[13:36] <Kilos> wonderful jerit 
[13:36] <Kilos> but now you know how to find them
[13:36] <Kilos> and you found the best help chnnel in the world
[13:36] <Kilos> channel
[13:37] <jerit> I'll say. The response here has been significantly more positive and helpful than anywhere else I've asked for help on this network
[13:38] <jerit> Do you guys think the CompTIA Linux+ will be sufficient to get me competant on how to do basic things like this? What about a follow up after I'm done with that?
[13:44] <anton_may> Yip should be perfect to get you going into the basics if linux. Learning the comnands etc
[13:48] <anton_may> But nothing beats throwing yourself in the deepend and solve a problem, like today
[13:48] <anton_may> I'm busy with my first MAAS installation. All I have are the ubuntu docs and it's going slowly, but learning as I go
[13:49] <anton_may> and youtube vids
[13:49] <Kilos> haha
[13:50] <jerit> only way I solved this problem was to reset the password on the ftp account, email myself the details from the CP and login there and fish for the file I needed
[13:51] <Kilos> whew
[13:51] <anton_may> well you've learned how to solve a porblem.
[13:53] <anton_may> Another way also to learn is to install oracle vm and install your flavour of linux and play with it first in a vm environment
[13:54] <Trixar_za> I tend to think the headfirst method works pretty well.
[13:55] <Trixar_za> But I was always a faster learner when I'm drowning (except when actually drowning considering I can't really swim)
[13:55] <anton_may> Yip that's why i got a few old boxes and busy with MAAS cluster on it and see hwat it can do. The possibly deploy it in the production
[13:58] <anton_may> Ok well have a good weekend all. I'm off ciao
[14:02] <jerit> Trixar_za you know I've been trying to do this for years
[14:03] <jerit> except that every time I get the VM set up, its like "okay wtf do I do now?"
[14:03] <Trixar_za> I mean run it on your PC - I jumped ship from Windows to Ubuntu on purpose. Didn't even have a way to connect to the internet - so had to think on my feet :P
[14:04] <Trixar_za> I'm not saying you should take that extreme of a step, but you should try using it daily for small tasks. You learn by struggling a bit.
[14:04] <jerit> especially not since all of my dev work for my clients is .NET based
[14:05] <jerit> I'd be utterly screwed without a Windows system to work on
[14:05] <Trixar_za> Then play with Mono and Vala - should be familiar to you
[14:05] <jerit> we're actually using mono for our pos terminal
[14:07] <jerit> since the pos system is php hosted on linux, and since there's no php libraries that provide an interface between php and the pos hardware (cashdrawer & receipt printer), we had to develop a pos terminal application in C# that has the libraries for the interface and then load the pos system in a browser control on that
[14:07] <jerit> allows us to use the same terminal application regardless of what OS is being used in the store
[14:12] <Trixar_za> Good idea from a technical stand point - especially if you can couple it with a reasonably small micro-linux - you should be able to run it on any POS system - regardless of age.
[14:23] <jerit> well we're actually planning on shipping the system with relatively cheap windows systems... my partner wanted to run it on tablets though
[14:23] <jerit> so maybe we can ship on windows tablets... need to get him to get one so we can test that way
[14:24] <jerit> although tablets might not be ideal since the printer will need to connect to the computer via usb
[15:12] <jerit> so I figured out that user nginx is running the web server
[15:12] <jerit> so it would then naturally follow that the files for my websites would exist in /home/nginx somewhere
[15:12] <jerit> but that directory doesn't exist
[15:12] <Kilos> power gone wbb
[15:49] <Kilos> Maaz coffee on
[15:49]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[15:49] <Kilos> Maaz large
[15:49] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[15:53] <magespawn> good evening all
[15:53] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[15:54] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[15:54] <Kilos> Maaz ty
[15:54] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[16:05] <pavlushka> ahoy ZA!
[17:44] <jerit> so in my ftp, I'm at /public_html/sma/modules/pos/views and in this directory there's a "view.php" file
[17:45] <jerit> so you'd think that find ~/ -type f -name "view.php" -print would output SOMETHING
[17:45] <jerit> given that the file clearly exists but I got nothing suggesting that this file doesn't exist at all
[17:48] <Kilos> what was the command inetpro gave first
[17:48] <Kilos> doesnt that work either
[17:48] <Kilos> locate i think
[17:49] <magespawn> i htink there is a difference between locate and find
[17:49] <MaNI> maybe the ftp folder is not inside your home folder (~)
[17:49] <MaNI> or maybe you don't have read permissions on the folder it is in
[17:49] <jerit> Kilos I've tried it all
[17:49] <Kilos> oh my
[17:50] <MaNI> find vs locate - find actually searches the physical directories - locate looks it up in a database (it won't find things that aren't in the database - the database is only periodically updated when updatedb is run)
[17:50] <MaNI> locate is obviously faster (but not as reliable)
[17:50] <Kilos> ty MaNI 
[17:50] <Kilos> nice when clever peeps join here
[17:50] <Kilos> i cant help them
[17:51] <Kilos> hi nsnzero 
[17:51] <nsnzero> hey there Kilos
[17:54] <Kilos> catch up in the logs nsnzero some heavy stuff on the go here with jerit
[18:00] <magespawn> home time chat later
[18:00] <Kilos> go safe magespawn 
[18:02] <nsnzero> Kilos: reading now
[18:06] <jerit> what I notice about other channels is that if people, after a time, still aren't able to help me, they'll eventually stop responding to me
[18:07] <Kilos> lol
[18:07] <Kilos> lets see from the bottom
[18:07] <Kilos> the file is in your home folder right?
[18:08] <Kilos> hi qwebirc1792 
[18:08] <Kilos> ai!
[18:11] <nsnzero> i never knew that logs were kept ! 
[18:12] <Kilos> your lucky day
[18:12] <Kilos> you learned something new
[18:13] <nsnzero> Kilos: i learn .... well you just took the word out of my mouth 
[18:13] <Kilos> lol
[18:13] <Kilos> i learn something new everyday and then forget it so i can learn again tomorrow
[18:14] <Kilos> wb chesedo 
[18:15] <nsnzero> lol - i know exactly what you mean 
[18:16] <jerit> Kilos I don't know where the file is. When I connect via ftp, I can browse to public_html/sma/modules/pos/views where I see "view.php" but find -iname "view.php" returns no results
[18:16] <jerit> damn weird
[18:17] <Kilos> so then 
[18:18] <Kilos> i dunno ftp or much else but can you find where or how ftp is connecting to
[18:18] <jerit> dunno
[18:18] <superfly> jerit: I presume when you say you're running "find", it's either via SSH or an actual terminal on the box?
[18:19] <jerit> I set the ftp details on the interface for vesta
[18:19] <jerit> superfly on the actual terminal
[18:19] <superfly> ftp (which is broken and you should not be using) does not run a shell
[18:19] <nsnzero> jerit: you building an point of sale server ?
[18:19] <superfly> jerit: totally beside the point, but why PHP?
[18:20] <jerit> superfly yes I know, the ftp was set up with vesta - I'm not in a position to switch it to TLS or SFTP given my knowledge in linux system. The find command is what I'm executing on the terminal
[18:20] <superfly> jerit: if you have SSH, you have SFTP
[18:20] <jerit> nsnzero developed a point of sale system for a client which I'm now hosting as best I know how
[18:21] <jerit> superfly I don't know if I have SSH. I use putty to connect to the terminal and I use the ppk files that AWS requires in order to establish the connection
[18:22] <superfly> jerit: PuTTY is just an SSH client and terminal emulator for Windows, because it's too borked to have it's own
[18:23] <nsnzero> jerit: sorry the logs stop at 16h00 so messages from then till now arent logged as yet. i am in the dark here 
[18:43] <Kilos> jerit if the file is there still, what do you want to do with it
[18:46] <Kilos> wb SEptic 
[18:47] <SEptic> hey
[18:47] <nsnzero> locate works better than find - IMHO
[18:48] <SEptic> what we discussing?
[18:49] <Kilos> seroius issues on files that are there but find cant find them
[18:49] <Kilos> some pets gone missing
[18:49] <SEptic> oooh cool
[18:50] <SEptic> specific types of files?
[18:50] <Kilos> im waiting for jerit to reply
[18:51] <Kilos> he said this last
[18:51] <Kilos> I don't know where the file is. When I connect via ftp, I can browse to public_html/sma/modules/pos/views where I see "view.php" but find -iname "view.php" returns no results
[18:52] <Kilos> now we already into stuff i dont understand
[18:56] <nsnzero> i did a test - ironically locate found the files - find couldn't 
[18:56] <SEptic> hmm...
[18:56] <nsnzero> anybody know how to setup unixodbc ?
[18:59] <SEptic> negative
[19:02] <nsnzero> not a problem - its my current goal to set it up 
[19:04] <SEptic> http://lifeofageekadmin.com/install-microsoft-sql-drivers-unixodbc-2-3-0-rhel-6-64-bit/
[19:04] <SEptic> ?
[19:05] <nsnzero> SEptic: thanks 
[19:08] <SEptic> i've used it before, just shooting in the dark
[19:09] <Kilos> you guys play with horrible stuff
[19:11] <SEptic> *i've never used it before
[19:11] <SEptic> haha my bad
[19:11] <nsnzero> SEptic: i am trying some things out - but the write-ups are old , so alot of tinkering is required 
[19:12] <SEptic> hmm reading up about it, sound rather interesting idea
[19:12] <nsnzero> Kilos: the best way to learn something is to attempt doing  it 
[19:13] <Kilos> i know the best way to sort windows hassles
[19:13] <SEptic> nsn: what you wanna do with it at the end of the day?
[19:13] <Kilos> boot from ubuntu dvd and choose use whole disk for install
[19:13] <SEptic> lol!
[19:14] <nsnzero> 15 years ago i created a database using access - we still use it today - but i like to move it to linux - if i can figure out this odbc setup - the transition will be faster  
[19:17] <nsnzero> basically the odbc driver allows read/write  to MS-Access files from other programs 
[19:18] <SEptic> aah ok, that makes for a good plan
[19:19] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:19] <nsnzero> night night - i am off as well - brain needs rest 
[19:19] <nsnzero> take care guys
[19:20] <SEptic> cheers
[20:06] <inetpro> good evening
[20:06] <inetpro> or is it morning already?
[20:22] <Sicelo> or both ;)
[21:14]  * inetpro lol at Sicelo
[21:14] <inetpro> wb chesedo
[21:15] <inetpro> and good night everyone
[21:22] <Sicelo> nighty