[03:02] <ajg4M3l5> Good evening folks. Can anyone help me with a purchasing decision?
[03:28] <randall> ok
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[06:01] <alkisg> flexiondotorg: Hi Martin, could you please have a look a this when you have some free time? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-mate-meta/+bug/1605571
[06:01] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1605571 in ubuntu-mate-meta (Ubuntu) "apt install --no-install-recommends fcitx-bin, breaks dead keys" [Undecided,New]
[06:02] <alkisg> I think it will be solved for the ubuntu-mate live CD by adding 2 lines in the seeds, fcitx-data and fcitx-module-x11
[06:02] <alkisg> Or, it can be solved by removing fcitx-bin from the seeds, as it was the case back in vivid
[06:02] <alkisg> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ubuntu-mate.xenial/live
[06:08] <alkisg> Hmm I see that you removed " * Feature: no-follow-recommends" in the yakkety seeds, so all the fcitx packages will be pulled there..
[08:30] <nick__> how do i get 16.04 mate to boot from dvd drive at start up i want to install and leave out my windows xp totally. have not got much data on ubuntu have been trying it for a week all my windows data is on a external drive so there is no problem
[08:43] <nomic> don't you change something in the bios to get it to autoboot from something other than hard drive
[08:43] <nomic> there was 'boot sequence'
[08:44] <nomic> it looks for hard  drive then your cd
[08:44] <nomic> used to be floppy
[08:44] <nomic> a b c
[08:44] <nomic> nick__
[08:44] <nick__> yes
[08:45] <nomic> cos other than bios can't think of anything that gets dvd to boot from @ boot stage
[08:45] <nomic> thats the only thing after turn on -> boot
[08:45] <nomic> so, change your bios settings
[08:45] <nomic> = F2 on many machines
[08:45] <nomic> F2 as it starts up
[08:47] <nick__> thanks will try it
[08:55] <nick__> hi it's nick again i tried f2 it worked what is the command that i must type to boot from dvd drive?
[09:01] <nomic> well in bios setup, it requires changes
[09:01] <nomic> change boot sequence
[09:03] <nick__> do i type change boot sequence?
[09:04] <nomic> what make is your pc
[09:06] <nick__> i had it built for me 12 years ago by a private guy  it has an asus mother board and intel celeron i think 2,6 that's all i know
[09:09] <nick__> am going to get a new pc that's why i experimented with ubuntu and am impressed
[09:09] <nomic> thing is.  all bios setups are unique
[09:09] <nomic> mostly
[09:10] <nomic> nothing to do with OS
[09:10] <nomic> within bios, settings, there is "boot sequence"
[09:10] <nomic> you change it ,, within the BIOS menu (setup)
[09:10] <nomic> then save it
[09:12] <nomic> https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=how%20to%20change%20boot%20sequence%20in%20bios
[09:12] <nomic> http://www.boot-disk.com/boot_priority.htm
[09:12] <nomic> you must read, apply to your situation
[09:13] <nomic> http://www.boot-disk.com/images/screen/boot_priority.gif   <- do you see that kind of a screen
[09:13] <nomic> most common bios = "phoenix" .. yours is 12 years old
[09:13] <nomic> will be phoenix
[09:15] <nick__> yes i can't do it with windows start up since i put ubuntu alongside my xp with xp  when i loaded ubuntu i did it by f9 and then changing boot sequence but it does'nt do it now so i want to try from ubuntu or i will have to uninstall and install again
[09:15] <nomic> http://www.masterslair.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/asus-p7p55d-e-motherboard-bios-ai-tweaker-voltage-section.jpg
[09:15] <nomic> shows asus motherboard bios
[09:15] <nomic> top menu option ^ = "boot"
[09:15] <nomic> within = boot sequenc
[09:15] <nomic> change and file it, reboot
[09:15] <nick__> ok thanks
[09:15] <nomic> http://www.boot-disk.com/images/screen/boot_priority.gif  <- that screen "boot"
[09:16] <nomic> gives you what media is on your system
[09:16] <nomic> says (there "shift+1" to enable or disable) .. so on that, move selector down to dvd drive & shift f1
[09:16] <nomic> F10 = save setting you made & exit
[09:16] <nomic> = boot
[09:17] <klarave> amd
[09:18] <nomic> have you got into your bios settings screens
[09:19] <nick__> not now but earl
[09:19] <nomic> sure, you have to be offline to do it
[09:20] <nomic> when you are in, navigate to "boot" menu item/settings
[09:20] <nick__> ok
[09:22] <nick__> thanks sorry for the trouble
[09:28] <nomic> sign of fialure of microsoft -- how many people are still on XP .. good percentage of pc users
[09:33] <alkisg> Nah, it means that it was a good OS that was supported by many many app vendors for many years after its release
[09:33] <YankDownUnder> A large sign of failure on the part of Microsoft is the amount of people that are moving to Macs and to linux...however, oddly enough, THOSE statistics do NOT make it to the public domain...hmm...
[09:33] <alkisg> While e.g. we can't run newer apps in older linux versions, we have to update all the stack
[09:34] <alkisg> Due to constant API breakage
[09:36] <nomic> what I was saying was that they did not manage to produce anything that the users of XP wanted
[09:36] <nomic> they hadn't improved their basic GUI/filing system (& they still haven't)
[09:36] <nomic> the only improvement = mobile
[09:36] <nomic> and they are out of that
[09:36] <nomic> they cannot compete against their own basic products
[09:37] <alkisg> xp users did have a good os and the newest browsers and image editors and all, they didn't miss anything
[09:37] <alkisg> An OS doesn't have to be upgraded just for the sake of it
[09:37] <nomic> its 16 years old now
[09:37] <nomic> yeah - thats what they realise now
[09:37] <nomic> cos they're trying to make  their OS a service
[09:37] <alkisg> That shows just how really good it was
[09:37] <nomic> it wasn't good
[09:38] <alkisg> Well Linux is so much slower, 16 years later
[09:38] <nomic> its slower?
[09:39] <alkisg> Yup, a lot, due to bad api and implementation
[09:39] <alkisg> Don't count the add-ons like antiviruses, count the os performance only
[09:40] <alkisg> (btw I stopped using windows in favour of linux in 2007, so I don't think I'm biased)
[09:40] <alkisg> I was a windows programmer for 17 years, a linux programmer since 2007
[09:40] <nomic> you make money out of linux programming?
[09:41] <alkisg> Yup
[09:41] <ali1234> XP is far, far slower than modern Linux in almost every possible way
[09:42] <alkisg> ali1234: care to show any benchmarks for that? because e.g. graphics are 2 times slower in the same cards
[09:43] <ali1234> do you have any examples other than graphics?
[09:43] <ali1234> (which has nothing to do with XP or linux, it's the drivers)
[09:44] <alkisg> The drivers implement an API
[09:44] <alkisg> Xorg has a network oriented api, so it's slow
[09:44] <ali1234> and the APIs are identical
[09:44] <alkisg> Of course not
[09:44] <alkisg> Xorg is the same as winapi graphics?!!!
[09:44] <ali1234> opengl is different between windows and linux?
[09:45] <alkisg> windows has directx
[09:45] <alkisg> that's the native protocol
[09:45] <alkisg> And it's implemented on top of the graphics drivers, it's not a driver
[09:45] <alkisg> It's something like middleware
[09:45] <alkisg> Anyways, sorry guys but I have to go
[09:45] <alkisg> Maybe we can continue some other time
[09:45] <alkisg> bb
[09:46] <ali1234> you should compare benchmarks which the OS actually has some chance of affecting, like disk throughput or process switching overhead
[10:23] <ouroumov> Hm, interesting
[10:23] <ouroumov> uBlock Origin broke ArsTechnica
[10:23] <ouroumov> I think they externalized one of their .css files for some reason
[10:50] <Langley> Hi, does anyone know how to make Backspace go back in Firefox
[10:51] <ouroumov> Hi Langley
[10:51] <ouroumov> I don't know sorry, are you unsatisfied with ALT+Left arrow?
[10:53] <Langley> Yes, can't press that with one hand
[10:53] <bekks> you could use the back button as well
[10:54] <Langley> I wanna use the Backspace button... but alt+left is better than the mouse, didnt know about that, so thanks
[10:55] <ouroumov> I'm looking at about:config and I haven't found a backspace key option
[10:57] <ouroumov> Apparently it's the same for every version of Linux
[10:57] <bekks> Apparently it has nothing to do with Linux, but with firefox only.
[10:58] <ouroumov> ohwait: https://itsfoss.com/enable-backspace-firefox-ubuntu-linux/
[11:01] <ouroumov> So Langley in case you read the logs later: about:config -> search for "backspace", set "browser.backspace_action" to "0"
[12:16] <frail_trev> hi everyone, I have developed a problem with  ubuntu 16.04 on my other laptop. After start-up and pwd entry the screen remains blank and only responds to a rt-click which provides a new pane with limited options, but I cannot run thee main programme. Any suggestions would be welcomed! I can get into 'terminal' - so is there a command which might en
[12:16] <frail_trev> able the main op to run?
[13:02] <nomic> frail_trev
[13:02] <nomic> efficient to ask on ubuntu / mate forum s
[13:02] <nomic> also
[13:03] <ouroumov> He left
[13:03] <nomic> doesn't say he left
[13:03] <ouroumov> * frail_trev (56b90d1e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.86.185.13.30) has quit (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)
[13:03] <nomic> no idicator 'left'
[13:03] <nomic> in chan
[13:04] <ouroumov> What IRC client are you using?
[13:05] <nomic> xchat
[13:05] <ouroumov> Do you see any join/part messages?
[13:31] <nomic> yeah
[13:32] <nomic> http://pastebin.com/CgEzMwRm
[13:32] <nomic> see
[13:32] <nomic> oops
[13:32] <nomic> I DID NOT SEE IT
[13:32] <nomic> my eyes
[13:32] <nomic> is in red
[13:32] <nomic> im outside in sunlight
[14:30] <nibblyn> Hi! On a laptop the HDMI secondary display output is not working (no signal) after fresh install of UbuntuMate 16.04. It is working properly with the live iso from the very beginning of the boot process. Unfortunately a standard system update was already performed but it should not be the issue. Nouveau driver in use in both cases. What are the differences between the two boot processes which may trigger this
[14:30] <nibblyn> behavior? Thanks.
[14:39] <SuperEngineer> have you enabled the 2nd screen in dipslays?
[14:39] <SuperEngineer> [i.e. is the hdmi screen detected & enabled there?]
[14:40] <SuperEngineer> ....just a thought.  No neccessarily the answer.
[14:43] <mate|51050> hello, i have um 16.04 and in the top panel i can see a icon to change between intel or nvidia driver,  when using the Ubuntu Mate layout in mate tweak, but i have made a custom layout and i cant find how to put that icon on the custom panel?
[14:44] <nibblyn> SuperEngineer, yes, tried that without success. Neither disper (screen toggler) nor xrandr solved the issue. Diagnostic tools report fine except that there is still no signal.
[14:46] <nibblyn> SuperEngineer, are the kernel started with some particular parameters during live? I don't know what else to think about.
[14:52] <SuperEngineer> nibblyn: sorry, don'yt know the answer to that
[14:54] <nibblyn> SuperEngineer, thanks anyway
[15:04] <ubuntu-mate> hallo hoe krijg ik mijn beeld goed
[16:22] <javier_> buenas tardes
[16:29] <SuperEngineer> He olvidado la mayor parte de mi español - pero buen día para ti también
[16:31] <javier_> acabo de instalar ubuntu-mate en la raspberry pi 3
[16:32] <javier_> y estoy probando`esto, por cierto es la primera vez que uso linux
[16:42] <SuperEngineer> soory, no tengo un profundo conocimiento de la utilización de un pi
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[16:43] <javier_> perdonadme si hago algomal pero realmente es la primera vez que uso linux y no me entreo de nada todavia
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[20:25] <Guest61703> Hi guys I can't connect my android cellphone via bluetooth
[20:26] <Guest61703> both devices have active bluetooth connection but they dont talk
[20:35] <sfxworks> Hi. Learning all this is fun... But im looking for something like dreamweaver for this machine. Catch 22 is I'm using a rasperry pi. So it has to work with ARM architecture..
[20:35] <sfxworks> I seee... Geany...
[20:35] <sfxworks> but I no likes...
[21:07] <t3kg33k> Hi all
[21:07] <sfxworks> o/
[21:08] <t3kg33k> I just install 16.04 and I seem to be having the same problem with videos in VLC like I had in 15.10. The best way to describe is screen tearing. Any idea on how to fix it?
[21:20] <randall> screen tearing just in vlc? or theentire deaktop?
[21:23] <t3kg33k> VLC
[21:24] <randall> did you try fixing it within vlc?
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[21:24] <t3kg33k> Not sure how I would fix it in VLC
[21:25] <randall> click on video while playing something, and try experimenting with deiterlacing
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