[00:25] <tsimonq2> agaida: bump the bug report with my patch then
[00:25] <tsimonq2> agaida: and talk to Julien!
[00:25] <agaida> we have one problem - julien think he is right
[00:26] <agaida> and this is more important for him than easy maintainance and possible bugs
[00:27] <agaida> so what should i do? I'm only a outsider with a very strong opinion - and the plan was that we do the things upstream and they go into the repository unchanged
[00:28] <agaida> and to be honest - every not really needed change is bullshit and error prone - and that for a reason
[00:28] <tsimonq2> sorry
[00:28] <tsimonq2> but I see
[00:29] <tsimonq2> I'll bump it
[00:29] <tsimonq2> thank you for bringing this up to me, I'll get it handled
[00:29] <agaida> if one without this special knowledge import upstream - without the changes - this will create havoc
[00:30] <agaida> and this is happend in the past and ever will happen again
[00:31] <agaida> so we had two bets - a) we will do everything to make julien happy or b) we will do what we think is the best
[00:32] <agaida> (we as debian upstream) - please guess what we will do
[00:32] <tsimonq2> I see
[00:33] <agaida> and we are happy if bugs - or patches come from ubuntu - this is happend in the past from vorlon (architectural changes and symbol changes) and we merged them without any problems
[00:34] <tsimonq2> vorlon \o/
[00:34] <agaida> because the changes make sense for both parties
[00:34] <tsimonq2> I see
[00:35] <agaida> yeah - steve is a good one - and i will never forget that he was the cause that i'm fixed systemd on a silvester evening :D
[00:36] <agaida> so we have no problems with good changes - but i think we have a problem with bikeshedding and such things
[00:38] <tsimonq2> yeah
[00:39] <agaida> and to be true - i have some problems with the two remainig changes - both on central points: the changes in lxqt-session is great to shoot on or both feets - in it will happen sooner or later
[00:42] <agaida> and we talked about liblxqt - best bet would be to take debian unchanged - and if this cause problems, solve these problems in debian (like eventually needed breaks and replaces)
[00:42] <agaida> and another word regarding the session thing - julien is right, it's not clever and his solution is better - in theory
[00:42] <tsimonq2> alright
[00:43] <tsimonq2> yeah I saw the solution
[00:43] <tsimonq2> it was something I didn't want to touch
[00:43] <agaida> but it is not clever as it will break when we clean up this mess in LXQt - and that will be happen some weeks or month after the release
[00:43] <agaida> but it will happen
[00:45] <tsimonq2> agaida: ping me when the breakage is about to happen and I'll talk with Julien
[00:45] <tsimonq2> ask him why
[00:45] <agaida> the session/common mess is long standing - no one clean up this shit after the merger razorqt/lxde
[00:45] <tsimonq2> yeah
[00:46] <agaida> and this was introduced because in the beginning the whole razor was one big repository
[00:47] <agaida> so after the merge the repos was splitted up and the rest that no one take care or becomes common - long story short
[00:47] <agaida> s/or/of
[00:49] <agaida> but i think we will find a clean solution and a clean upgrade path - and we should not make things more complicated
[00:49] <agaida> in the meantime
[00:51] <tsimonq2> yeah
[00:52] <tsimonq2> wxl: re: broken torrents, this is why it's good to read Reddit comments... https://www.reddit.com/r/Lubuntu/comments/4txypi/lubuntu_16041_lts_has_been_released/d5nrwhs
[00:53] <tsimonq2> agaida: a Reddit user reported that the Lubuntu torrents are broken and indeed they are, yay...
[00:53] <agaida> and i destroyed today the gogs database for siduction - that was cool
[00:54] <tsimonq2> \o/
[00:54] <tsimonq2> :P
[00:54] <agaida> 100+ git repositories to migrate by hand
[00:54] <tsimonq2> O__O
[00:54] <agaida> a fucking typo in a script
[00:54] <Unit193> tsimonq2: Or, you could update the link to the torrent for the point release too...
[00:54] <agaida> but its done
[00:54] <tsimonq2> Unit193: I don't have the permissions
[00:54] <tsimonq2> Unit193: but I pinged infinity
[00:56] <Unit193> And infinity can update lubuntu.net how?
[00:57] <tsimonq2> Unit193: lubuntu.net is NOT our website
[00:58] <tsimonq2> Unit193: lubuntu.me is
[00:58] <Unit193> Yeah yeah, same thing.  Used to real TLDs, same statement applies to .me.
[00:59] <tsimonq2> well that's actually a good idea, I should updated that
[00:59] <tsimonq2> *update
[00:59] <tsimonq2> Unit193: but regardless, that torrent doesn't work
[00:59] <Unit193> Try the correct torrent?
[01:00]  * tsimonq2 tries
[01:01] <Unit193> It's pretty darn normal when a point release is out, the prior point (or pointless) release isn't on the tracker...
[01:01] <tsimonq2> works fine
[01:02] <tsimonq2> Unit193: but regardless...it's broken
[01:02] <Unit193> Define 'it'.
[01:03] <tsimonq2> the torrents for 16.04
[01:03] <tsimonq2> Unit193: it's also a pretty major thing because we didn't release PPC for 6.04.1 but we did for 16.04
[01:03] <tsimonq2> *16.04.1
[01:03] <tsimonq2> some people still might want PPC
[01:10] <tsimonq2> Unit193: there, updated
[01:10] <tsimonq2> http://lubuntu.me/downloads/
[10:14] <kalxas> hi all, I am looking for the build scripts that are used to generate the Lubuntu iso images. Can someone please point me to the source code?
[10:16] <tsimonq2> kalxas: hey
[10:16] <kalxas> hi tsimonq2
[10:16] <tsimonq2> kalxas: infinity in #ubuntu-release linked it to me the other day
[10:16] <tsimonq2> now that I have time, I'll search my IRC logs :)
[10:16] <kalxas> cool, thanks :)
[10:17] <kalxas> I did find some source code in launchpad yesterday, but that was until utopic
[10:18] <kalxas> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+junk/lubuntu-tools/view/head:/iso/lubuntu-build.sh
[10:18] <kalxas> so I am looking specifically for xenial sources
[10:19] <kalxas> the reason is to find the difference
[10:19] <kalxas> it seems that the usb-creator util is now doing a plain dd copy of the iso to the usb key, so I need to figure out how boot loader is handled
[10:21] <tsimonq2> bingo
[10:21] <tsimonq2> lp:~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu
[10:21] <tsimonq2> kalxas: ^
[10:23] <kalxas> thanks tsimonq2 !
[10:23]  * kalxas looking
[10:31] <kalxas> tsimonq2, still, there is no lubuntu branch in there
[10:31] <kalxas> actually there is one which is outdated
[10:43] <tsimonq2> kalxas: it's not a Lubuntu-specific branch you are looking for
[10:43] <tsimonq2> you need to know how the images are built
[10:43] <tsimonq2> daily and daily-live
[10:46] <kalxas> I am obviously not aware of the process :)
[10:47] <kalxas> thank you for your patience
[10:50] <kalxas> is this also being used? it seems up to date:
[10:50] <kalxas> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/ubuntu-cdimage/mainline/files
[10:51] <tsimonq2> well if I remember correctly, that calls the server that runs lp:~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu
[10:52] <kalxas> ah, cool
[10:53] <kalxas> tsimonq2, any idea how long has this code base being used?
[10:53] <tsimonq2> long time
[10:54] <kalxas> I will have to browse history then to figure out what happened with the boot loader
[10:54] <kalxas> ok, thank you very much for your help