[02:06] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[02:08] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic
[05:23] <lotuspsychje> Description:	Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS
[06:34] <ducasse> morning!
[06:36] <lotuspsychje> hey ducasse
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> how are you?
[06:37] <ducasse> good thanks - and you? enjoying a quiet sunday morning?
[06:37] <lotuspsychje> yep got to work at 11
[06:38] <ducasse> aha, i see. no rest for the wicked ;)
[06:40] <lotuspsychje> :p
[06:41] <lotuspsychje> upgraded to .1
[06:41] <ducasse> me too, but i've still got one machine on wily. should try to fix that today...
[06:42] <lotuspsychje> cool
[09:53]  * daftykins carries in his cereal with his eyes still closed
[09:53]  * ducasse hands daftykins a cup of espresso
[09:53] <daftykins> ooh ty
[09:54] <ducasse> speaking of, need more tea.
[09:54] <daftykins> i was thinking that, need to do a milk run in a moment
[09:57] <ducasse> ahh, there we go :) caffeine <3
[10:00] <daftykins> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh91IO9cV48 i found this neat
[10:19] <ducasse> interesting :) just been reading through the world's longest log dump for a guy, and suddenly he doesn't want to investigate further and logs off :-/
[10:21] <daftykins> oy
[10:31] <ducasse> do you know much about web server daemons, by any chance? i need to set one up on my vps, just wondering which one has the best security track record...
[10:34] <daftykins> most of my experience has been basic setups for wordpress LAMP setups, where i stuck to apache2, i tried out nginx recently but was a bit disappointed when it didn't even have the apache tools for automating the symlinks to enable sites and modules
[10:35] <daftykins> hadn't tried to 'harden' nginx in any way, but i've gotten by with apache - just needs tweaking to reduce its' many worker count and default config to hide version # and so on
[10:36] <ducasse> i'm mostly going to serve static pages and files, to use as a sort of personal dumping ground to share files. i was thinking of lighttpd, since this vps has a limited amount of memory and such.
[10:36] <daftykins> ah right
[10:37] <daftykins> i run a little home one in 384MB RAM... LAMP with a basic wordpress + this irssi instance
[10:39] <ducasse> actually, the vps has 1gb of memory, but it's primarily doing other things so the web setup would still need to be very light...
[10:50] <daftykins> how does the mem usage sit right now?
[10:53] <ducasse> pretty good, a little under half available, but it was just rebooted.
[10:56] <daftykins> ah well, probably makes sense to avoid full blown apache - but i've not tried that one
[10:58] <ducasse> i wasn't really thinking that much about memory usage, more about security. in my mind, apache might have a bigger attack surface than something like lighttpd, but i could be entirely wrong.
[10:59] <daftykins> yeah, you don't wanna dip into swap though :D it could do, depending on default modules i suppose
[11:01] <ducasse> think i'll just try lighttpd first, as it should be more than adequate for my needs. i could probably whip up something that would do what i need in a few lines of python, even :)
[11:03] <daftykins> ^_^
[11:03] <daftykins> ugh i feel like i should get a clear plastic sheet to cover my keyboard, this house seems to be a dust machine
[11:04] <ducasse> try one of those sealed, industrial keyboards :)
[11:05] <daftykins> hah
[11:07] <ducasse> would probably not be very comfortable to type on, though.
[11:08] <daftykins> have you ever seen those laser ones that cast a pattern onto the desk, then somehow it registers you touching the spots?
[11:09] <ducasse> yes, but i can't imagine i would like them. need the tactile feedback. looks cool, though :)
[11:10] <daftykins> yeah, i imagine latency too
[11:10] <daftykins> i got told about an industry situation where the staff kept damaging keyboards though, so they put in one of them instead
[11:12] <ducasse> i'm _much_ too picky about mice and keyboards.
[11:12] <ducasse> hard to find one i like :)
[11:13] <\9> i'm sort of trying to find one that i would like
[11:13] <\9> the usual keyboard layout doesn't have enough keys for my needs
[11:14] <\9> the finnish keyboard layout sucks for coding so i have to xmodmap the layout a tad
[11:14] <\9> i still need to use alt+gr t o get backspace
[11:14] <ducasse> \9: check out the ones i were talking to daftykins about yesterday - wasdkeyboards.com - they have a lot of variations. dunno about extra keys, though, i'll miss that from my current one.
[11:16] <daftykins> i'm fine with the default UK layout, extra keys is something i detest
[11:18] <\9> i need the ä and ö keys though, it's slightly inconvenient to use the compose ke for them all the time
[11:18] <\9> thanks ducasse i will check that out
[11:19] <ducasse> \9: they have at least 88 104 and 105-key ones, in just about any layout you want, you can choose switches and colors for caps and print etc. basically fully custom :)
[11:21] <\9> so i see
[11:26] <\9> hmm neat, i can edit the layout as svg
[11:27] <ducasse> yep, thinking of ordering one myself to replace my razer. i like my current keyboard, but a couple of the keys send several characters when pressed...
[11:27] <\9> i still want my 106th key thouhg :(
[11:28] <\9> though*
[11:31] <daftykins> seems to me like if you can't fit into the standard layouts everyone else does, something you're doing is wrong.
[11:34] <ducasse> i do just fine with a 105-key layout. my razer has 5 'macro keys' on the left side, i have them mapped to various things but honestly don't use them that much...
[14:57] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:58] <daftykins> \o
[15:02] <BluesKaj> hey daftykins
[15:06] <ducasse> afternoon, BluesKaj - everything well?
[15:07] <ducasse> daftykins: i (sort of) fixed my keyboard :)
[15:08] <BluesKaj> hi ducasse, yeah I'm trying setup konverstaion to connect thru a socks5 proxy server provided ny my vpn service . but the settings aren't working
[15:10] <daftykins> ducasse: \o/
[15:10] <ducasse> BluesKaj: how/what is failing? it just won't connect?
[15:11] <BluesKaj> scuse my KB mistakes ...it's suddenly very dark...storms approaching
[15:11] <BluesKaj> again
[15:11] <ducasse> daftykins: it's not 100%, but much better :) i'll try prying off the keycaps and go over it with pressurized air later.
[15:12] <daftykins> :)
[15:12] <daftykins> i'm still suffering with the membrane here ;_;
[15:12] <BluesKaj> yeah the asimov, weber and kornbluth servers just fail with unknown error
[15:14] <ducasse> odd. freenode is sponsored by pia iirc, so they shouldn't be blocking vpn traffic either... has konversation got a network log or console?
[15:15] <daftykins> is that SSL connection or non?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> daftykins,  I tried it with and without ssl sasl, different port numbers etc etc, but nothing , even the logs don't show anything
[15:19] <daftykins> hrmm
[15:20] <daftykins> well SOCKS is typically a browser thing only i thought, so i'd be more inclined to go back to making the VPN work properly
[15:21] <BluesKaj> vpn works fine , but I prefer not to use the vpn unless needed and I'd just like to have individual apps use the proxy rather than resorting to all internet connections going thru the vpn
[15:22] <ducasse> you can always have the vpn tunnel open at all times and just route traffic from certain apps through it.
[15:23] <BluesKaj> the proxy5 setings for pia proxy server in amsterdam works fine on qbittorrent,  checking with netstat -tapen shows the IPs qbittorrent is routed thru
[15:25] <BluesKaj> ducasse,  that would be good if I knew how to set that up
[15:25] <ducasse> i think i have a link somewhere, do you want me to dig for it?
[15:26] <BluesKaj> sure
[15:26] <daftykins> yeah that makes sense, you don't have to have your tunnel replace the default gateway
[15:26] <ducasse> hang on, it's on a machine in another room. brb.
[15:26] <BluesKaj> right
[15:28] <ducasse> http://askubuntu.com/questions/37412/how-can-i-ensure-transmission-traffic-uses-a-vpn
[15:29] <ducasse> that's for torrent, but it demonstrates the general idea.
[15:30] <ducasse> you start openvpn with --noroute, so you will keep your default route. then route what you want through the tunnel interface.
[15:33] <ducasse> there is also a git repo with scripts for deluge: https://github.com/bendikro/deluge-vpn.git
[15:33] <daftykins> i imagine that for ease of use on a graphical desktop you'd make a bunch of scripts to run perhaps
[15:34] <ducasse> yes, the github link would be a starting point there.
[15:36] <BluesKaj> think it would be simpler to just configure konversation, since does offer the socks5 option
[15:38] <ducasse> well, if that's the only program you want it for that is possibly true :)
[15:39] <BluesKaj> qbittorrent is already configured and working
[15:40] <ducasse> right. is there a verbose logging option?
[15:46] <daftykins> tail /var/log/$topic_above.log :
[15:46] <daftykins> "it dun work"
[15:46] <daftykins> "it dun work"
[15:52] <ducasse> :)
[15:54] <ducasse> something wrong here too, my laptop is 2.6gb into swap with over a gig of memory free...
[15:58] <daftykins> D:
[15:58] <daftykins> some kinda task that deems itself backgrounded, so swapped out? o0
[16:02] <ducasse> maybe, but i don't know _what_ - not that much running, it only has 4gb. bah, need to reboot anyway, kernel update.