[06:08] <pavlushka> Morning ZA!
[06:08] <Kilos> morning everyboby
[06:57] <paddatrapper> Morning Kilos, pavlushka, everyone 
[07:04] <Kilos> hi paddatrapper 
[07:53] <pavlushka> paddatrapper: Hello and how are you?
[07:53] <paddatrapper> pavlushka: I'm good thanks. You? 
[07:54] <pavlushka> paddatrapper: wow, me too, :)
[09:15] <ra1v3n> hello
[09:28] <paddatrapper> Hey ra1v3n
[09:28] <ra1v3n> hello paddatrapper 
[09:29] <paddatrapper> How are you doing? 
[09:37] <ra1v3n> Im good ... if somewhat cold
[09:38] <Kilos> hi ra1v3n 
[09:38] <ra1v3n> how are you
[09:38] <ra1v3n> Hi kilos
[09:38] <Kilos> ok
[09:38] <Kilos> winter is made for penguins
[09:38] <ra1v3n> lol
[09:39] <Kilos> ill be in and out today, trying to find sheep shears
[09:39] <ra1v3n> haha
[09:39] <Kilos> then some work ahead
[09:39] <ra1v3n> yeah I have to log off in a bit ... have to work
[09:41] <Kilos> well at least you didnt forget where we are
[09:41] <ra1v3n> nope Ive added you guys to autojoin
[09:48] <Kilos> good man
[11:52] <Squirm> Mornin'
[11:52] <Squirm> Has anyone here had much experience with AWS Lambda ?
[12:24] <Squirm> I'm trying to get ssh into a box using paramiko, but it's not working. It essentially boils down to
[12:24] <Squirm> ["/var/task/cryptography/hazmat/primitives/constant_time.py", 9, "<module>", "from cryptography.hazmat.bindings._constant_time import lib"]], "errorType": "ImportError", "errorMessage": "/var/task/cryptography/hazmat/bindings/_constant_time.so: invalid ELF header"}
[12:25] <Squirm> Same issue this guy is having
[12:25] <Squirm> https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?messageID=732381&#732381
[14:40] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:19] <Kilos> Maaz forecast pretoria
[15:20] <Maaz> Kilos: Sunday: Rain. High: 19° C., Sunday Night: Partly Cloudy. Low: 7° C., Monday: Chance of a Thunderstorm. High: 18° C., Monday Night: Rain. Low: 8° C., Tuesday: Thunderstorm. High: 16° C., Tuesday Night: Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low: 5° C., Wednesday: Clear. High: 15° C., Wednesday Night: Clear. Low: 2° C., Thursday: Clear. High: 17° C., Thursday
[15:20] <Maaz> Night: Clear. Low: 3° C., Friday: Clear. High: 18° C., Friday Night: Clear. Low: 4° C., Sa…
[15:20] <Kilos> ai! winter came again back
[16:31] <Kilos> inetpro its too cold to be busy busy busy
[16:42] <ra1v3n> Hello
[16:47] <Kilos> hi ra1v3n 
[16:47] <ra1v3n> hello Kilos 
[16:51] <ra1v3n> how are you
[16:51] <Kilos> cold
[16:51] <ra1v3n> its ridiculous here
[16:52] <Kilos> temp?
[16:52] <ra1v3n> Im sorry ... expecting a white Raven from the citadel
[16:52] <Kilos> huh?
[16:53] <ra1v3n> 12c
[16:53] <Kilos> ravens dont fly at night
[16:53] <ra1v3n> lol
[16:54] <ra1v3n> it feels alot colder
[16:54] <Kilos> wind makes things worse
[16:57] <SEptic> 9c here
[16:57] <ra1v3n> ouch!
[16:58] <SEptic> wind and rain
[16:58] <Kilos> and rain expected here and heavy snow on all the mountains
[16:58] <Kilos> sigh
[16:59] <SEptic> kiff
[16:59] <Kilos> SEptic you in jozi?
[16:59] <SEptic> slummies
[16:59] <Kilos> ?
[16:59] <Kilos> too cold to think or even remember
[16:59] <SEptic> east london
[17:00] <Kilos> oh ya
[17:00] <SEptic> the unwashed armpit of south africa
[17:01] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:01] <ra1v3n> lol
[17:09] <Kilos> hi nsnzero 
[17:10] <nsnzero> hey Kilos
[17:11] <nsnzero> how you doing ?
[17:11] <Kilos> cold
[17:11] <inetpro> Kilos: you still have power? 
[17:12] <nsnzero> freezing here too
[17:12] <inetpro> good morning everyone 
[17:12] <Kilos> yes haha
[17:12] <inetpro> you are lucky 
[17:12] <Kilos> morning inetpro 
[17:12] <SEptic> full house tonight
[17:22] <SEptic> Kilos ... i hate you
[17:22] <SEptic> using my other mint laptop
[17:22] <SEptic> its just not the same any more :/
[17:22] <Kilos> why SEptic 
[17:22] <Kilos> hahaha
[17:23] <Kilos> kde rules
[17:23] <Ra1v3n> hi what I miss
[17:23] <SEptic> i'm a fan of that activities stuff
[17:23] <Kilos> most people that hate me end up loving me once they realise how dom they were before
[17:24] <SEptic> lol!
[17:25] <Kilos> i never use the activities thing
[17:25] <SEptic> i have 2 work laptops, ripped out the cdroms and put in 2nd hdds, main hdd ssd, 2nd 1tb hdd, both rsync'ed to my home server
[17:26] <SEptic> forced to use the mint one tonight
[17:26] <Kilos> lol
[17:26] <SEptic> gosh, world of difference
[17:26] <kulelu88> anybody using centos6 here?
[17:26] <Kilos> so blame me
[17:26] <Ra1v3n> sigh
[17:26] <Ra1v3n> I swear there are days
[17:27] <Ra1v3n> I could quite cheerfully 131tch slap some people
[17:27] <Kilos> why
[17:28] <Ra1v3n> different channel ..... this dude is so needy
[17:28] <Ra1v3n> like I look here for a second and his like: "You wana chat or not?"
[17:28] <Kilos> lol
[17:29] <Ra1v3n> 8o
[17:29] <kulelu88> programming channel?
[17:29] <Ra1v3n> nope
[17:30] <kulelu88> ubuntu?
[17:30] <Kilos> its your choice where you socialise
[17:30] <Ra1v3n> different server
[17:30] <SEptic> we cant help it that we're cooler
[17:31] <Kilos> hehe
[17:31] <kulelu88> with l33t speak, you guys must be arch guys
[17:31] <Ra1v3n> I'm considered Neurologically atypical.
[17:31] <nsnzero> SEptic: where did you get the hdd cage for the cd rom tray slot ?
[17:32] <SEptic> 9.5mm i bummed of takealot
[17:32] <Kilos> they are expensive those things
[17:32] <Ra1v3n> takealot
[17:32] <SEptic> 13.7mm i bought for r50 from some ebay japan dude
[17:32] <Ra1v3n> love that place
[17:33] <nsnzero> thanks - seen alot on ebay - but no delivery to SA
[17:34] <Ra1v3n> alot of places refuse to deliver to SA
[17:34] <Ra1v3n> thanx to our amazing postal service
[17:34] <SEptic> yea, like amazon
[17:34] <kulelu88> that's not the only reason
[17:34] <SEptic> we still have a postal service?
[17:34] <SEptic> :P
[17:34] <Ra1v3n> lmao
[17:34] <Ra1v3n> point taken
[17:35] <SEptic> last time i went to the post office, queues out the door ... for banking
[17:35] <SEptic> who the f banks at a post office?
[17:36] <SEptic> its like ordering a toasted ham & cheese from a hairdresser
[17:36] <kulelu88> the poor SEptic 
[17:36] <SEptic> rofl
[17:39] <nsnzero> alternative - buy a 2.5" external and prestik it into the cd rom slot - with a custom flat usb connector - that should work 
[17:43] <SEptic> http://www.takealot.com/orico-9mm-sata-to-sata-hdd-caddy-and-notebok/PLID41711324
[17:43] <SEptic> http://www.takealot.com/aluminum-universal-sata-2nd-hdd-caddy-12-7-mm-hard-drive-enclosu/PLID40903154
[17:47] <nsnzero> thanks - it will look much neater - than my ghetto installation 
[17:48] <MaNI> Ra1v3n> alot of places refuse to deliver to SA
[17:48] <MaNI> I recently stumbled upon the solution to that - shipito.com or myus.com - bonus it's cheaper than shipping directly from most websites anyway
[17:49] <Ra1v3n> oooooh! ah!
[17:50] <nsnzero> good night guys - i down with the flu  - need to take my medication and sleep 
[17:50] <Kilos> sleep tight nsnzero 
[17:50] <Kilos> keep warm
[17:51] <SEptic> MaNI ... just changed my life
[17:51] <MaNI> Got my first order via shipito coming in via aramex soon, on an item coming from amazon that they wouldn't sell to me on my za address - $18 shipping, if I bought it direct from the manufacturers website (only other options I had) they wanted to charge $150 shipping, crazy stuff 
[17:51] <SEptic> :O
[17:52] <inetpro> yay! We have power again...
[17:52] <kulelu88> MaNI: is that a wholesale shipping company?
[17:52] <Kilos> yay inetpro 
[17:53] <MaNI> not really wholesale - I mean you can ship single items
[17:53] <MaNI> 'freight forwarding' is what it's called
[17:53] <kulelu88> MaNI: so they make it cheaper by loading full containers of random items ?
[17:54] <MaNI> nope
[17:54] <MaNI> they ship still via e.g. UPS or aramex or whatever
[17:54] <kulelu88> I'm trying to understand why it is 18 and 150
[17:54]  * superfly just bought an s-video to vga converter from eBay. R23 including shipping 
[17:54] <MaNI> mostly because they don't rip you off and are a bit more experienced at shipping
[17:55] <MaNI> a lot of manufacturers don't really like shipping to foreign countries, so they ship via the wrong option - which ends up being overpriced
[17:56] <MaNI> kulelu88, they do have an option though where you can e.g. order from 5 different places over a period of weeks, they will collect it all and then combine it and send all at once (which would give further savings)
[17:56] <kulelu88> MaNI: but you still have to pay duties on everything right?
[17:56] <MaNI> need to pay a yearly subscription for that service though so would have to order quite a bit to make it worthwhile
[17:57] <MaNI> yeah duties etc. still apply of course
[17:57] <kulelu88> MaNI: why not share 1 account with lots of guys importing and split the subscription?
[17:57] <kulelu88> unless it's like 10 dollars a years
[17:57] <kulelu88> *year
[17:57] <Ra1v3n> Thank You Mani!
[17:57] <inetpro> superfly: what do you do with a s-video to vga converter?
[17:57] <MaNI> buying locally is still often better if you can - but I seem to relatively often run into stuff that I just can't get locally - and then to top it off amazon won't even ship it here - so for me this is an amazing find
[17:58] <inetpro> R23 including shipping is ridiculously cheap
[17:58] <kulelu88> MaNI: I was once looking to replace my CD-drive on the laptop with a SSD-tray, couldn't find it in SA :D
[17:58] <MaNI> kulelu88, a good question indeed, I thought about it myself as well, and I couldn't really think of a good reason other than "I don't really know many other people who order things from overseas" heh
[17:59] <kulelu88> MaNI: the first type of person that comes to mind is the hardware-hackers
[17:59] <Ra1v3n> Well I ordered a peripheral from China some time ago and waited 3 months for it to arrive.
[18:00] <Ra1v3n> Ive orderd nothing from the USA, because all the options seemed dodgy or too expensive, and ofcourse Amazon does not ship directly to SA
[18:01] <kulelu88> MaNI: I've also been interested in buying 5 of these: https://www.pine64.com/product 
[18:03] <superfly> inetpro: use it for a chip
[18:03] <superfly> inetpro: http://getchip.com
[18:04] <MaNI> the item I'm bring in now is this - http://www.mini-box.com/M4-ATX-HV?sc=8&category=981 - it's my first 'test order' with shipito so I'll let you know how it goes
[18:04] <MaNI> but given it's already with aramex and the tracking is going fine I can't imagine there will be issues
[18:04] <inetpro> superfly: so has it arrived?
[18:05] <MaNI> the pine64 thing looks interesting to play with
[18:06] <kulelu88> I know MaNI . A cheap computing cluster of sorts
[18:06] <SEptic> .................. https://getchip.com/pages/chip    literally BANANA FOR SCALE 
[18:07] <SEptic> omg ROFL
[18:07] <SEptic> super awesome though
[18:08] <kulelu88> looks like they're all dealing with small computing boards
[18:14] <SEptic> very interesting
[18:17] <superfly> inetpro: nope, just ordered it now. should arrive late August/early September
[18:20] <superfly> SEptic: http://imgur.com/a/hnTDF
[18:21] <SEptic> :') its beautiful
[18:21] <SEptic> hehehehe
[18:23] <SEptic> i love seeing designers hide stuff on PCBs etc
[18:23] <superfly> It has wifi, 512M ram, and I think a 4 or 8G nand flash. comes with debian pre-installed
[18:23] <SEptic> i hide the chrome 'no internet' dinosaur on my PCBs
[18:24] <SEptic> dang, pre-installed
[18:28] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:28] <Ra1v3n> gnyt Kilos
[18:50] <Ra1v3n> goodnight all
[18:53] <theblazehen> I am _not_ a fan of selinux :(
[18:57] <inetpro> superfly: very interesting
[19:04] <SEptic> sheesh, the wiki on selinux
[19:04] <SEptic> what you using that for?
[19:13] <Sicelo> 19:48 < MaNI> I recently stumbled upon the solution to that - shipito.com or myus.com - bonus it's cheaper than shipping directly from most websites anyway <[19:14] <Sicelo> ah, not going to help much for package from China :-/
[19:15] <theblazehen> SEptic: Well, I was trying not to use it
[19:16] <theblazehen> But the bootloader on samsung phones doesn't respect your custom kernel command line
[19:16] <theblazehen> So I would need to recompile to disable it
[19:16] <theblazehen> So now I have to manually `adb shell` and run a command, rather than having it done with init script
[19:17] <theblazehen> And android has an _interesting_ init system... :(
[19:19] <Sicelo> what is your final goal?
[19:19] <SEptic> sheesh thats hectic
[19:26] <MaNI> Sicelo, yeah I'm on the look out for a similar thing for china
[19:26] <Sicelo> theblazehen: what are you hoping to achieve on that phone/kernel?
[19:26] <theblazehen> The display is broken
[19:26] <theblazehen> So wanted to do something useful
[19:26] <theblazehen> And android userland sucks
[19:26] <MaNI> if you happen to find one let me know :p
[19:26] <theblazehen> Then I tried to build ubuntu touch, but with a newer kernel
[19:26] <theblazehen> Ended up getting gentoo in a chroot now
[19:26] <Sicelo> MaNI: please keep me in the loop. am checking too
[19:26] <theblazehen> Sicelo: Basically have it as a mini server kinda thing
[19:27] <Sicelo> theblazehen: awesome. which samsung is it?
[19:27] <theblazehen> Might build just the kernel later, then I can run lxd, but on gentoo
[19:27] <theblazehen> Sicelo: note 2
[19:30] <Sicelo> nice specs, ample RAM :)
[19:31] <theblazehen> Yeah :)
[19:34] <kulelu88> does anybody know how telkom call plans work?
[19:48] <kulelu88> wow, this is insane
[20:19] <inetpro> kulelu88: what is insane?
[20:19] <kulelu88> my internet tonight
[20:20] <inetpro> ah
[20:20] <Sicelo> which ISP kulelu88?
[20:20] <inetpro> time to call it a day... 
[20:20] <inetpro> good night
[20:21] <Sicelo> one of my SIM cards is FNB Connect - terrible Internet experience on that ... have essentially given up on ever using the data in it
[20:22] <kulelu88> nah it's not the ISP. it's the speed. I need to bump it up cause it's too slow for our usage these days
[20:23] <Sicelo> okay.