[00:01] <DarinMiller> plasma still has a few bugs even in 5.7.2.  I don't have any 5.7.2 boxes running dual screen full time but the little testing I've done I sitll see bugs.
[00:07] <tsimonq2> hey hey hey!
[00:07] <tsimonq2> where do I report bugs in packages in the plasma-staging PPA
[00:07] <tsimonq2> ?
[00:09] <clivejo> here
[00:09] <clivejo> staging-plasma PPA is our testing ground
[00:09] <clivejo> tsimonq2: whats the bug?
[00:10] <tsimonq2> clivejo: so you know the Digital Clock Settings, right?
[00:10] <clivejo> DarinMiller: strange, after fiddling about unplugging screens, its come back
[00:10] <clivejo> tsimonq2: yes
[00:10] <tsimonq2> when I went to the Holidays tab, it complains about not having kholidays installed
[00:11] <tsimonq2> clivejo: it's either a needed dep or the error needs to be handled better
[00:11] <clivejo> looks like a packaging issue :)
[00:11] <DarinMiller> clivejo: A plasmashell restart can (but not always) also fix those issues.
[00:12] <tsimonq2> clivejo: but I *am* only using plasma-desktop, not kubuntu-desktop
[00:12] <tsimonq2> clivejo: maybe it's in the Kubuntu package?
[00:13] <clivejo> try installing qml-module-org-kde-kholidays
[00:17]  * clivejo bangs head off the desk
[00:19] <clivejo> tsimonq2: did you do that?
[00:20] <tsimonq2> clivejo: E: Unable to locate package qml-module-org-kde-kholidays
[00:20] <clivejo> have you staging-plasma PPA enabled and refreshed?
[00:21] <tsimonq2> yep clivejo 
[00:21] <clivejo> oh, sorry its part of apps!
[00:21] <clivejo> thats handy!
[00:22] <tsimonq2> huh?
[00:22] <clivejo> on my system - qml-module-org-kde-kholidays is already the newest version (16.04.3-0ubuntu1~ubuntu16.10~ppa10).
[00:23] <tsimonq2> clivejo: what PPAs do you have enabled?
[00:24] <clivejo> currently staging-kdeapplications as Im testing them
[00:24] <tsimonq2> clivejo: how dangerous of a PPA is that? XD
[00:24] <tsimonq2> oh, if it's like staging-plasma but for apps, it should be okay, right?
[00:25] <clivejo> good question!
[00:25]  * tsimonq2 enables it and see what problems it causes :P
[00:26] <clivejo> dont blame me if it fries your kittens
[00:26] <tsimonq2> I won't
[00:26] <tsimonq2> I'm running Yakkety, I kinda need to expect that things go wrong :P
[00:26] <clivejo> but you are right, that is a bug
[00:27] <clivejo> basically plasma-workspace needs to depend on qml-module-org-kde-kholidays
[00:27] <tsimonq2> clivejo: if I wanted to fix it, what branch?
[00:27] <tsimonq2> :D
[00:28] <clivejo> it needs to go into yakkety_archive, but we also have to upload the new packages to staging
[00:28] <tsimonq2> alright, so I make a PR against that?
[00:29] <clivejo> you can see here that Neon have already picked it up
[00:29] <clivejo> http://packaging.neon.kde.org/cgit/plasma/plasma-workspace.git/tree/debian/control?h=Neon/unstable
[00:29] <tsimonq2> how does Neon play into our ecosystem?
[00:30] <clivejo> Neon are a KDE project now who publish the lastest KDE on Ubuntu LTS
[00:30] <clivejo> they have their own CI called NCI
[00:30] <clivejo> so they are ahead of us
[00:31] <clivejo> debian on the other hand are behind us
[00:31] <tsimonq2> clivejo: so if they update it, they aren't upstream?
[00:31] <clivejo> http://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/plasma/plasma-workspace.git/tree/debian/control
[00:31] <clivejo> tsimonq2: yes and no
[00:32] <tsimonq2> clivejo: but I still need to update it then?
[00:33] <clivejo> tsimonq2: yes, plasma-workspace needs updated to pull in those new Depends
[00:33] <clivejo> you could add Neon as a remote and merge, but be very careful what you kept and replace
[00:33] <tsimonq2> clivejo: but in the yakkety archive branch?
[00:34] <clivejo> yes
[00:34] <clivejo> someone will review it first
[00:34] <tsimonq2> k doing now
[00:35] <clivejo> also cantor needs fixed
[00:35] <tsimonq2> again?
[00:35] <tsimonq2> alright, after this
[00:38]  * valorie is going to the cabin for a night or two, see y'all when I get back
[00:39] <tsimonq2> o/ valorie 
[00:39] <valorie> so fantastic to see all this work getting done
[00:40] <tsimonq2> :D
[00:40] <acheronuk> wow busy busy
[00:42] <clivejo> acheronuk: mind testing install of apps 16.04.3 on YY?
[00:42] <tsimonq2> hey it's acheronuk :D
[00:42] <tsimonq2> clivejo: do I need a dch entry?
[00:42] <clivejo> yes, just brief what you are doing
[00:42] <tsimonq2> alright
[00:42] <clivejo> ie adding new depends for plasma 5.7.2
[00:43] <acheronuk> I have no YY VM at the moment. have to set anothe rup
[00:44] <tsimonq2> clivejo: do I need to change the wording I already have? https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kubuntu-plasma-workspace/+merge/301012
[00:44] <tsimonq2> I'm running YY, what do you need, clivejo?
[00:44] <clivejo> oh, ok, sorry thought you had a VM
[00:44] <ahoneybun> yay finished
[00:44] <acheronuk> I did, but it got a bit m,essed up and the snapshot points I had didn't help that much, so I trashed it
[00:45] <clivejo> did you just add that one cause its missing?
[00:45] <tsimonq2> ?
[00:46] <acheronuk> going to try sleep again, but I could well be back!
[00:46] <tsimonq2> o/ acheronuk 
[00:47] <tsimonq2> clivejo: were you talking to me when you asked: "did you just add that one cause its missing?" ?
[00:47] <clivejo> yes
[00:47] <clivejo> I noticed Neon have a dep on qml-module-qtqml-models2
[00:48] <tsimonq2> I don't know what that's about
[00:49] <clivejo> me neither
[00:49] <tsimonq2> clivejo: but yeah, installing that package fixes my problem
[00:49] <clivejo> nice one
[00:55] <clivejo> ok merge pushed and new package uploaded to staging-plasma
[00:57] <clivejo> tsimonq2: any issues installing apps ?
[00:58] <clivejo> Im having issues with plasma-discover
[00:58] <clivejo> I think its packagekit related
[00:59] <clivejo> I need yofel's help with that
[01:00] <tsimonq2> clivejo: same here
[01:00] <clivejo> you could maybe poke around with that, see why its not installing
[01:01] <clivejo> might be Qt 5.6.1 related
[01:01] <tsimonq2> alright
[01:02] <tsimonq2> clivejo: I have a queue, cantor is next :P
[01:02] <clivejo> :)
[01:02] <clivejo> but Im off to bed
[01:02] <clivejo> just queueing you up :P
[01:02] <tsimonq2> o/ clivejo :)
[01:02] <ahoneybun> night clivejo
[01:03] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: hey! :D
[01:03] <ahoneybun> hey tsimonq2
[01:03] <tsimonq2> how are you ahoneybun?
[01:03] <ahoneybun> fine, u
[01:03] <tsimonq2> great :)
[01:04]  * ahoneybun is about to throw YT into a firepi
[01:04] <ahoneybun> *pit
[01:04] <tsimonq2> I'm making a monster, I'm installing kubuntu-desktop into a Yakkety VM, then I'm enabling the staging-* PPAs, then the CI PPA
[01:04] <ahoneybun> the CI?
[01:04] <tsimonq2> I want to see if things crash and burn XD
[01:04] <ahoneybun> really
[01:04] <tsimonq2> yep
[01:04] <ahoneybun> your twisted a bit
[01:04] <tsimonq2> XD
[01:08] <ahoneybun> YT keeps failing to process the video
[01:09] <ahoneybun> it's a supported file type
[01:10] <tsimonq2> D:
[01:10] <ahoneybun> same video really as the podcast
[01:11] <ahoneybun> just added a intro to it
[01:12] <ahoneybun> going to try to rename it, maybe YT does not like "_"
[01:17] <ahoneybun> and I'm mad at YT
[01:17] <tsimonq2> plasma-workspace PR incoming!
[01:18] <tsimonq2> oh noes I messed up baaaaaaad
[01:19] <ahoneybun> ?
[01:24] <tsimonq2> \o/
[01:24] <tsimonq2> https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/kubuntu-packaging/+git/kubuntu-plasma-workspace/+merge/301014
 Nope Rik's change log is for unstable
[01:26] <tsimonq2> Clifford: well that's what I'm doing
 Oh right see now
[01:27] <tsimonq2> merging kubuntu_yakkety_archive -> kubuntu_stable -> kubuntu_unstable
[01:27] <tsimonq2> yeah :)
 I dont get the KCI merge feed on telegram
[01:29] <tsimonq2> Clifford: when someone merges that, that's the last merge error on KCI! :D
[01:30] <ahoneybun> is it?
[01:30] <tsimonq2> yep
[01:30] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: http://kci.pangea.pub/view/merge%20FIX/
[01:30] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: I handled the rest
[01:32] <ahoneybun> http://kci.pangea.pub/
[01:33] <tsimonq2> ahoneybun: those aren't merge issues, those are other issues
[01:33] <ahoneybun> mm I see
[01:34] <tsimonq2> as soon as https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-kde/qt/qtwebengine.git/ works, it will fix a LOT of errors
[01:36] <tsimonq2> \o/
[01:37] <tsimonq2> thanks acheronuk :)
[01:37] <acheronuk> np
 Problems sleeping?
[01:38] <acheronuk> yes
 Me too
 Must be the weather
[01:38]  * tsimonq2 throws a party, http://kci.pangea.pub/view/merge%20FIX/ is empty! :D
[01:39] <acheronuk> my sleep got a bit messed up with the hot weather we had in the UK, and it's still out of whack
[01:40] <acheronuk> it seems
[01:40] <ahoneybun> tsimonq2: acheronuk clivejo https://youtu.be/Q1-ufK4dXms
[01:41] <ahoneybun> just rendered the intro not the whole thing
[01:41] <tsimonq2> :D
[01:42] <acheronuk> wtf?
[01:42] <ahoneybun> what?
[01:42] <acheronuk> oh. you just explained
[01:43] <ahoneybun> I kinda like it
[01:43] <ahoneybun> maybe change the logo and different music
[01:43] <ahoneybun> but just to try it out
[01:44] <acheronuk> sounds like the intro to an outtakes reel to me
[01:44] <acheronuk> Rick;s bloopers
[01:44] <ahoneybun> it is a dubstep sound track lol
[01:44] <ahoneybun> http://www.bensound.com/royalty-free-music
[01:44] <ahoneybun> first song
[01:45] <ahoneybun> it could be taken as a teleport
[01:45] <acheronuk> ouch
[01:45] <ahoneybun> since Rick likes to make it sound like he's taking you to Kubuntu world
[01:45]  * acheronuk turns down volume!
[01:45] <tsimonq2> XD
[01:45] <ahoneybun> any feedback?
[01:46] <ahoneybun> we also have slide for each section
[01:46] <ahoneybun> well not for gaming but
[01:47] <acheronuk> this is the last podcast?
[01:47] <ahoneybun> well its #14
[01:47] <ahoneybun> first 5 secs
[01:47] <ahoneybun> with the intro in
[01:48] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: I'm trying to get the orig.tar.xz for Scarlett's qtwebengine, it's frustrating that I can't find it...
[01:49] <acheronuk> don't think debian has actual sources uploaded for that yet?
[01:49] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: then what use is the git source? 
[01:50] <acheronuk> I presume she has the tarball
[01:50] <tsimonq2> where's she at?
[01:50] <acheronuk> sources will be somwhere on the qt site
[01:50] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: yes but trying to use that is unsuccessful
[01:51] <tsimonq2> trying again
[01:52] <acheronuk> I can imagine it is unsuccessful, as she is "far from done"
[01:54] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: that's my goal right now, to make that successful, or at least as close as possible
[01:54] <tsimonq2> (or at the very least I want to attempt it)
[01:54] <acheronuk> worth a go
[01:54] <tsimonq2> yep
[01:54] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: that would probably fix half of the KCI errors
[01:54] <tsimonq2> :P
[02:08] <acheronuk> 137M source .xz for QtWebEngine
[02:08] <acheronuk> nice!
[02:21] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: it needs a dependency that's in Debian's Git
[02:21] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: but not in the archive
[02:21] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: so I built it and I'm setting up a local archive so I can build this
[02:21] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: complicated :P
[02:22] <acheronuk> Qt rarely seems simple!
[02:22] <tsimonq2> heh :P
[02:42] <acheronuk> pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy : Depends: libqt5webchannel-dev (>= 5.6.0~) which is a virtual package and is not provided by any available package
[02:42] <acheronuk> I see
[03:01] <tsimonq2> yeah
[03:01] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: setting up a Debian archive is hard :P
[03:05] <acheronuk> there is a custom pool hook for pbuilder I think?
[03:11] <tsimonq2> I'm figuring it our
[03:11] <tsimonq2> *out
[04:32] <acheronuk> clivejo: apps upgrade on YY
[04:32] <acheronuk> http://paste.ubuntu.com/20833535/
[04:33] <tsimonq2> D:
[04:33] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: I'm making progress :D
[04:34] <acheronuk> great :)
[04:34] <tsimonq2> it's just missing a bunch of deps
[04:34] <tsimonq2> and I have to rebuild in sbuild every time, takes a while :/
[04:34] <ahoneybun> do you have an SSD tsimonq2?
[04:35] <acheronuk> clivejo: The following packages have unmet dependencies. python3-pyqt5 : Depends: qtbase-abi-5-5-1
[04:35] <tsimonq2> I didn't end up making the Debian archive, couldn't figure it out, so I just built and put it in the clean schroot :P
[04:35] <tsimonq2> noooo ahoneybun I want one tho
[04:35] <ahoneybun> my laptop has one
[04:35] <ahoneybun> maybe I should move to YY on that
[04:36] <ahoneybun> acheronuk: do you have access to a LXC on linode yet?
[04:36] <acheronuk> clivejo: language pack bustage http://paste.ubuntu.com/20833858/
[04:37] <acheronuk> I reinstalled on an SSD 2 weeks ago :)
[04:38] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: nope. not access to linode
[04:38] <acheronuk> *no
[04:38] <tsimonq2> any chance one of you can ship me one? D:
[04:38] <ahoneybun> mm
[04:38] <acheronuk> clive wanted to intercept mine from Amazon!
[04:39] <ahoneybun> because grown man sending packaging to a minor is not weird at all
[04:39] <ahoneybun> "but mom I'll go MUCH faster with it
[04:39] <ahoneybun> XD
[04:40] <ahoneybun> I have to say I've not seen so much green in here in a while
[04:40] <ahoneybun> not anything bad to anyone
[04:40] <tsimonq2> I live with my dad 100% of the time and he's fine with it
[04:40] <acheronuk> It's a bit faster for pkg build, but not as much as you might think
[04:40] <tsimonq2> hell, pleia2 shipped me stickers
[04:40] <acheronuk> an SSD that is
[04:40] <ahoneybun> she sent me stickers as well
[04:40] <ahoneybun> waiting on mariogrip
[04:40] <ahoneybun> now lol
[04:42] <acheronuk> clivejo: plasma-discover http://paste.ubuntu.com/20834238/
[04:42] <ahoneybun> mm no new release found
[04:47] <acheronuk> clivejo: not a happy desktop after plasma and apps upgrade on YY http://i.imgur.com/6VgVIL1.png
[04:50] <ahoneybun> looks like a bigger issue then kicker lol
[05:01] <acheronuk> roll back that VM and try again I think!
[05:08] <acheronuk> clivejo: adding plasma and apps together http://paste.ubuntu.com/20835899/
[05:17] <acheronuk> clivejo: that is better. works when adding both ppa at the same time.
[05:18] <acheronuk> oddly, starts with Plastik window decorations, but Breeze is there in the options
[05:20] <acheronuk> :D http://i.imgur.com/N1W6u8U.png
[05:21] <ahoneybun> so I need 16.10 to get 5.7
[05:24] <acheronuk> clivejo: other comments and pastes from before show same issues, i.e. langage packs, pyqt5, discover etc
[05:24] <ahoneybun> though my nvidia stuff could cause issues
[05:26] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: 5.7 will come for XX
[05:27] <ahoneybun> oh crap\
[05:27] <ahoneybun> well I started it kinda
[05:31] <ahoneybun> well I broke it
[05:32] <ahoneybun> damn
[05:32] <acheronuk> :(
[05:32] <ahoneybun> what I did was remove some sources
[05:32] <ahoneybun> which was bad
[05:33] <ahoneybun> fixable with a xenial source.list
[05:33] <acheronuk> makes sense if you aborted it quick enough
[05:34] <ahoneybun> yea lol
[05:35] <ahoneybun> added them back
[05:35] <ahoneybun> thanks Google
[05:37] <ahoneybun> going though with it for real
[05:38] <ahoneybun> so 10mins to download it
[05:38] <ahoneybun> maybe 30-45mins to work
[06:07] <ahoneybun> things are moving acheronuk
[06:10] <ahoneybun> kde-spectacle is not installed 
[06:10] <ahoneybun> so kubuntu-desktop is left unconfigured
[06:12] <ahoneybun> yay endless loop
[06:12] <ahoneybun> wants to remove kubuntu-desktop
[06:13] <ahoneybun> the heck is going on 
[06:17] <ahoneybun> that was a bad idea
[06:22] <acheronuk> I haven't tried an upgrade
[06:22] <ahoneybun> yea bad idea
[06:23] <ahoneybun> making a Ubuntu usb drive atm
[06:23] <ahoneybun> with 16.04
[08:26] <acheronuk> 08:20:09 E: Error uploading file.
[08:26] <acheronuk> 08:21:09 \t\t !!!!!!!!!! dput failed two times !!!!!!!!!!
[08:26] <acheronuk> 08:21:09 chown -R jenkins:jenkins /var/lib/jenkins/workspaces/yakkety/unstable/kwordquiz
[08:26] <acheronuk> Getting a lot of that ^^^ on CI
[08:35] <yofel> sitter: did you ever see ^ in the past?
[08:36] <tsimonq2> yofel \o/
[08:40] <acheronuk> 08:20:08 Host key verification failed.
[08:40] <acheronuk> 08:20:08 
[08:40] <acheronuk> 08:20:08 Unable to connect to SSH host ppa.launchpad.net; EOF during negotiation
[08:40] <acheronuk> 08:20:08 E: Error uploading file.
[08:40] <acheronuk> 08:21:08 \t\t !!!!!!!!!! dput failed two times !!!!!!!!!!
[08:40] <acheronuk> 08:21:08 chown -R jenkins:jenkins /var/lib/jenkins/workspaces/yakkety/unstable/klettres
[08:45] <sitter> yofel: guess launchpad doesn't wanna play (:
[08:46] <acheronuk> just on lindode?
[08:46] <yofel> sitter: yeah, but did you ever get that? Or is that even more random launchpad behavior
[08:46]  * yofel is tempted to install a jenkins auto-retry-failures plugin..
[08:47] <yofel> or is launchpad crapping out because I'm doing too many concurrent uploads...
[08:50]  * yofel would like to know what the actual error is
[08:50] <sitter> yofel: you'll want to talk to wgrant, I couldn't possibly say. the tooling does a second try after some sleeping already, so it is somewhat unlikely that this is purposeful behavior from launchpad
[08:51] <yofel> host key verification failed is nonsense, the containers don't even have any entries in known_hosts, which is why the working builds have
[08:51] <yofel> 08:15:49 Warning: Permanently added the RSA host key for IP address '91.189.95.83' to the list of known hosts.
[08:51] <jussi> o/
[08:51] <yofel> it's a jussi :O
[08:52] <yofel> o/
[08:52] <jussi> hello yofel
[08:52] <jussi> long time no speak
[08:52] <yofel> sitter: ok, I was just curious if you knew that
[08:52] <yofel> indeed :)
[08:53] <sitter> yofel: verification fail makes sense if launchpad closes the ssh session before negoation completes
[08:53] <yofel> sitter: on river, is jenkins running in lxc or something like that? I a) am not sure if I can upgrade docker without breaking everything and b) I don't understand where the apt-cache is located. 10.0.3.1 is lxcbr0, but there seems to be no container?
[08:53] <jussi> yofel: How are things in yofel land?
[08:53] <yofel> sitter: hm, ok
[08:54] <yofel> jussi: personally I'm rather well, kubuntu is getting better again as well ;)
[08:54] <jussi> yofel: ok, good :) 
[08:54] <sitter> yofel: jenkins runs native
[08:55] <sitter> apt-cache is where it always should be ;)
[08:55] <jussi> oh fun, I just found a bug in youtube-dl :(
[08:56] <yofel> oh ok, then I guess I was just too confused to see the obvious...
[08:57] <jussi> anyone know whats happening here? http://pastebin.com/21uFBww9
[08:57] <yofel> sitter: another thing, in deploy_in_container.rake, you run bundler in --local mode - but where is it supposed to find the gems? I removed that for now to get it to work... but that doesn't feel nice
[08:59] <sitter> yofel: mgmt_tooling caches all gems. then again I think you don't use that job
[08:59] <yofel> oh ok
[09:00] <yofel> sitter: well, not using it because it's not a matrix job, I'll have to reconfigure that and some others
[09:00] <yofel> but ok, then I'll work on that
[09:00] <yofel> thanks!
[09:01] <sitter> matrix job for nodes? if you had nodes what should happen is: tooling clone -> test -> bundles everything into cache -> tars -> archives -> triggers deployment job -> deployment is matrix unarchiving the tooling tar (including all gems) per node -> runs deploy_in shell script
[09:03] <sitter> point being you want deployment to not ever fail unless unavoidable (like say new docker image can't be built because yakkety has broken dependencies or something)
[09:03] <yofel> sitter: I saw no deploy job? So I did that by hand. The only matrix job right now is mgmt_docker
[09:03] <acheronuk> Would be nice in the FIX lists on CI to be able to see whether last failure was the executor/upload, and which were genuine LP build errors
[09:04] <sitter> yofel: because mgmt_tooling did the deploy what with only having one node
[09:04] <yofel> sitter: ah ok, so I did get this right that tooling needs to be a matrix job
[09:05] <yofel> ah no wait
[09:05] <sitter> yofel: http://mobile.kci.pangea.pub:8080/job/mgmt_tooling_progenitor/ (clone & bundle & tar) -> http://mobile.kci.pangea.pub:8080/job/mgmt_tooling_test/ (runs test and metrics) -> http://mobile.kci.pangea.pub:8080/job/mgmt_tooling_test/ (deploys tooling on all nodes) -> http://mobile.kci.pangea.pub:8080/job/mgmt_docker/ (creates/deploys docker images on all nodes)
[09:05] <yofel> ok great
[09:08] <sitter> third link should be http://mobile.kci.pangea.pub:8080/job/mgmt_tooling_deploy/ :)
[09:09] <tsimonq2> yofel: I'm making slow progress on (attempting to) get(ting) qtwebengine working, missing a looooooooot of dependencies that I have to resolve before I even get to code...
[09:10] <sitter> yofel: you want at least one matrix that is going to a) rake deploy (as defined in Rakefile) which deploys the tooling for the host (i.e. puts it into ~/tooling/) it runs on b) after that runs ~/tooling/mgmt/docker.rb which will deploy the staged tooling into new/updated images via the deploy_in shell script for bootstrapping and later deploy_in.rake
[09:10] <yofel> ack
[09:10] <sitter> how you structure this specifically is up to you of course. you could simply use the mci templates to implement the same as there
[09:10] <sitter> it's probably a bit over engineered for kci
[09:11] <yofel> splitting mgmt_tooling into tooling+deploy will proably be enough for me
[09:12] <yofel> *probably
[09:12] <yofel> tsimonq2: are you basing that on the debian work? They are working on qtwebchannel / qtwebengine. But I don't know how far they got. You can find them in #debian-qt-kde@irc.oftc.net
[09:13] <tsimonq2> yofel: I'm working on the Debian git branches, yes
[09:13] <tsimonq2> and ooh! okay
[09:13] <yofel> tsimonq2: specifically talk to hefee
[09:13] <tsimonq2> yofel: doing that will probably fix a lot of errors
[09:13] <tsimonq2> yofel: alright :)
[09:16] <tsimonq2> yofel: is he/she in a European or US time zone?
[09:16] <yofel> tsimonq2: europe AFAIK
[09:17] <yofel> and he 
[09:17] <tsimonq2> alright
[09:17] <tsimonq2> thanks
[09:22] <tsimonq2> yofel: getting good responses! \o/ :)
[09:35] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: great :)
[09:57] <soee> mamarley: did you tested 5.7 on Xenial maybe ?
[10:02] <mamarley> soee: Not yet, sorry.  Is it ready?
[10:02] <soee> mamarley: clivejo said that yes - it requires testing
[10:02] <soee> i will be doing tests later at home
[10:02]  * mamarley starts KVM.
[10:11] <soee> mamarley: report if it wants to remove any packages etc.
[10:11] <soee> this monday is sponsored by letter G like GREEN :)
[10:12] <acheronuk> lol
[10:17] <tsimonq2> XD
[10:24] <jimarvan> hello
[10:26] <acheronuk> Hi
 Its not ready on xenial just needs install testing
 Plasma 5.7.2 has depends on apps 16.04.3
 Can someone look into why packagekit won't install?
 On yakkety
[10:31] <tsimonq2> let's see
 And yes, need to enable both plasma and app staging to test plasma5.7.2 due to those cross deps
[10:33] <tsimonq2> packagekit installs fine on my Yakkety system with both apps and plasma staging PPA installed
[10:33] <yofel> discover might be depending on packagekit from -proposed, which is stuck there
[10:34] <tsimonq2> oh let's see
 Yofel but discover has been rebuild on Qt5.6.1 in staging apps. Don't the staging ppas have proposed enabled?
[10:34] <tsimonq2> builds correctly, /me consults https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration
[10:35] <tsimonq2> weird, it's a valid candidate
[10:36] <yofel> the installability checks fail
[10:36] <tsimonq2> yofel: is there a link to results somewhere that I'm not seeing on the above page?
[10:37] <yofel> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_output.txt -> look for "Trying easy from autohinter: aptdaemon/1.1.1+bzr982-0ubuntu15 deja-dup/34.2-0ubuntu2 packagekit/1.1.1-1ubuntu1 pk-update-icon/2.0.0-1build1
[10:37] <yofel> "
[10:38] <tsimonq2> thanks
[10:39]  * tsimonq2 tests in a VM
[10:40] <acheronuk> plasma-discover : Depends: packagekit (>= 1.0)
[10:41] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: I know, we're waiting on the proposed migration and I'm trying to figure that out now
[10:42] <yofel> tsimonq2: do you know how to read britney output?
[10:42] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: didn't check last posts. whoops
[10:43] <tsimonq2> yofel: no clue whatsoever
[10:44] <yofel> tsimonq2: do you know what britney is? ^^
[10:44] <tsimonq2> yes I know what it is
[10:45] <tsimonq2> I'm reading w.u.c/ProposedMigration now
[10:45] <yofel> ok, I'll let you read that then, that explains most of it
[10:45] <tsimonq2> alright
[10:49] <acheronuk> clivejo: did an apps/plasma YY upgrade test in a VM this morning http://paste.ubuntu.com/20835899/
[10:50] <clivejo> weird
[10:50] <clivejo> thought python3-pyqt5 was fixed
[10:50] <acheronuk>  langage packs, pyqt5 uninstallable. discover, the probs we know
[10:52] <clivejo> but the rebuild of pyqt5 solved a lot of those on my install
[10:52] <clivejo> why isnt it doing the same on yours
[10:52] <acheronuk> The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[10:52] <acheronuk>  python3-pyqt5 : Depends: qtbase-abi-5-5-1
[10:53] <acheronuk> apt-cache policy python3-pyqt5
[10:53] <acheronuk> python3-pyqt5:
[10:53] <acheronuk>   Installed: (none)
[10:53] <acheronuk>   Candidate: 5.6+dfsg-1
[10:53] <acheronuk>   Version table:
[10:53] <acheronuk>      5.6+dfsg-1 500
[10:53] <acheronuk>         500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu yakkety/universe amd64 Packages
[10:54] <clivejo> ah, it was in apps staging before the great wipe
[10:54] <jimarvan> the great wipe? :O
[10:54] <acheronuk> makes sense
[10:54] <clivejo> yes, it was so sad jim
[10:54] <jimarvan> :(
[10:55] <acheronuk> it was a 'lemon fresh' wipe though
[10:55] <clivejo> many perished
[10:55] <jimarvan> :/
[10:55] <clivejo> including poor pyqt it seems
[10:56] <acheronuk> mostly germs
[10:56] <jimarvan> lol
[10:56] <jimarvan> old versions and such?
 I got my laptop back, so I'm part of the conversation time line again here.
 Just saying h
 i
[10:57] <tsimonq2> hey it's Rick! \o/
[10:57] <tsimonq2> how are you?
 o/
[10:57] <jimarvan> hey :)
 Im better now I have my laptop back, with my Telegram link here
[10:57] <tsimonq2> yay :)
[10:58] <acheronuk> cervisia needs it's packaging porting to KF5
[10:58] <acheronuk> if tsimonq2 is busy and doesn't want it, I'll do it later
[10:58]  * tsimonq2 raises his hand
[10:59] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: what needs to be done?
[11:00] <acheronuk> pacaging done so it builds :P
[11:00] <acheronuk> *packaging
[11:00] <acheronuk> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/274886983/buildlog_ubuntu-xenial-amd64.cervisia_4%3A16.04.3+p16.04+git20160725.0014-0_BUILDING.txt.gz
[11:01] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: but it's more that just adding ECM deps ^^^
[11:01] <tsimonq2> alright
[11:01] <clivejo> acheronuk: when these build and piublish, will you test please?  https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/staging-plasma/+packages?field.name_filter=pyqt&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[11:02] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: probably symbols as well?
[11:02] <tsimonq2> re: packagekit, I couldn't figure it out
[11:02] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: have a look at that and the packaging and see what YOU think
[11:02] <tsimonq2> alright acheronuk 
[11:02] <acheronuk> the clues are out there.....
[11:02] <clivejo> tsimonq2: how did you get on with cantor?
[11:03] <yofel> acheronuk: don't forget the build system namespace version
[11:03] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: or you could just pinch Neon's packaging :P
[11:04] <acheronuk> yofel: did I? 
[11:04] <tsimonq2> clivejo: wasn't the method if it didn't show an -- Installing: line and the file was missing it could be safely removed
[11:04] <tsimonq2> clivejo: or am I wrong?
[11:04] <yofel> acheronuk: I didn't check, it's just a really common mistake
[11:04] <acheronuk> yofel: oh, right!
[11:04] <clivejo> tsimonq2: that package has a few problems in it, which is why I wanted you to do it ;)
[11:05] <clivejo> the lib version has changed
[11:05] <tsimonq2> will do clivejo 
[11:06] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: cantor goes first, then cervisia :)
[11:06] <yofel> tsimonq2: if you look at the architecture lists on the output page, britney tells you "these packages would become uninstallable if the new versions go to release and their old versions get deleted". Until that list isn't equal or smaller than the current state in release, britney will refuse to migrate them
[11:06] <yofel> and as this is a multi-package migration, it's a bit complex
[11:06] <tsimonq2> yofel: I see that, but I couldn't figure out what the common issue
[11:07] <yofel> ah ok
[11:07] <yofel> nvm me then ^^
[11:08] <clivejo> yofel: did you see Mirv's conversation?
[11:08] <yofel> yesterday yes
[11:08] <clivejo> happy with that?
[11:08] <acheronuk> clivejo: yes, I will test pqyqt5 once published
[11:08] <yofel> yes. Regarding out pages: I simply feel no motivation to do them, then do them *again* after qt 5.6.1 is up
[11:08] <yofel> *our packages
[11:09] <clivejo> best way for us to deal is get Qt5.6.1 into archive and then clean up?
[11:09] <tsimonq2> clivejo: there's more to it, but I'm not seeing it, do I just need to add the libraries listed as Installing: ?
[11:09] <yofel> yes, preferably
[11:10] <Mirv> tomorrow is my current plan
[11:10] <clivejo> Mirv: :)
[11:10] <clivejo> o/
[11:10] <yofel> Mirv: are there any chances of qtwebchannel and qtwebengine making it into yakkety if hefee and simon get them done soon?
[11:10] <tsimonq2> clivejo: because there's three different libraries listed there, and two of them are in the install file
[11:11] <clivejo> are you sure they are different?
[11:11] <mamarley> clivejo: Regarding testing 5.7 on Xenial, attempting to install wants kde-l10n-engb, language-pack-kde-en, and python3-pyqt5 (with related dependencies) to be removed.
[11:11] <clivejo> could they be sym links?
[11:12] <clivejo> mamarley: I know about the kde-l10n thats on the to-do list
[11:12] <clivejo> pyqt5 is building in plasma-staging so when it publishes that should be resolved
[11:12] <Mirv> yofel: sure if those get to Debian it's no problem to sync them (or even without Debian as long as archive admins are happy with them)
[11:13] <yofel> Mirv: ok, thanks
[11:13] <mamarley> clivejo: OK, cool.  soee asked me to test and let you know, so I did. :)
[11:13] <yofel> then we'll wait with apps 16.08 a bit until we know more
[11:13] <clivejo> mamarley: thanks
[11:13] <yofel> (otherwise we would have to cut out pim*)
[11:14] <clivejo> yofel: BTW I uploaded kde4libs to KCI unstable as a temp measure
[11:14] <acheronuk> clivejo: on XX Missing build dependencies: python-sip-dev (>= 4.18), python3-sip-dev (>= 4.18)
[11:14] <yofel> clivejo: thanks
[11:14] <clivejo> acheronuk: yuck
[11:15] <yofel> can you try to use the old pyqt5 on X?
[11:15] <clivejo> could be bigger job backporting to XX than thought
[11:15] <yofel> backporting sip isn't particulary fun..
[11:15] <yofel> though usually not impossible
[11:15] <clivejo> wonders how Neon managed it
[11:16] <yofel> true, wanna check? ^^
[11:16] <mamarley> clivejo: After installing, everything seems to work though (besides the stuff that got removed).  Good job!
[11:17] <clivejo> mamarley: very much a team effort :)
[11:17] <acheronuk> looks like Neon still have build of 5.5.1?
[11:17] <mamarley> clivejo: acheronuk: yofel:  Good job! :)
[11:17] <clivejo> building on the shoulders of gaints
[11:17] <clivejo> tsimonq2 deserves a mention too!
[11:17] <mamarley> tsimonq2: Good job!
[11:17] <clivejo> hes been fixing packages left right and centre
[11:18] <tsimonq2> thanks y'all :D
[11:18] <mamarley> (Sorry, I can't always keep up with who is doing what.)
[11:18] <clivejo> mamarley: best just to say thanks team!
[11:18] <clivejo> so noone feels left out!
[11:18] <tsimonq2> clivejo: I don't know if you saw (I forget who I say what to sometimes) but except for one package, http://kci.pangea.pub/view/merge%20FIX/ has been emptied! :D
[11:19] <clivejo> I noticed ;)
[11:19] <tsimonq2> an unbelievable amount of packages will be fixed once this uploads
[11:20] <tsimonq2> (the work I'm doing with hefee)
[11:20] <clivejo> I need to read that log (sometime)
[11:20] <acheronuk> it would also let us do the full release of the next kdeappa
[11:20] <acheronuk> *kdeapps
[11:21] <clivejo> acheronuk: have you slept?
[11:21] <acheronuk> clivejo: a bit. enough
[11:22] <clivejo> is it still warm there?
[11:22] <acheronuk> about 20C, so comfortable now
[11:26] <tsimonq2> yofel: the archive admins will (most likely) be okay with new packages until Feature Freeze on Aug. 18
[11:26] <tsimonq2> yofel: so that answers what you said earlier :)
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:21] <acheronuk> clivejo: on YY python3-pyqt5 installed ok, and I was then able to re-install apport-kde, apturl-kde, kubuntu-driver-manager, kubuntu-notification-helper and software-properties-kde
[12:52]  * yofel realizes that apps master now tracks 16.12
[12:53] <yofel> clivejo: do you think it's worth to save the current apps ci state into kubuntu_stable? So we can base our 16.08 on that?
[12:53] <yofel> I really need to get stable working again :S
[13:06] <acheronuk> yofel: do I/we need to hold off doing anything? i.e. KF5 packaging for cervisia etc? I did kdf -> KF5 earlier not thinking about that!
[13:06] <yofel> acheronuk: no, this is about apps/* - plasma and FW we already have the versions in _archive that we indend to ship
[13:06] <yofel> well, fw we might update, but then fixing CI is really worth it
[13:07] <yofel> acheronuk: problem with apps is, I don't know when those ports happened
[13:07] <yofel> so go ahead and do your work 
[13:07] <yofel> we can figure stuff out later
[13:09] <acheronuk> yofel: ok. I checked in kde git to see what they had done, but didn't notw the timing either
[13:09] <acheronuk> *note
[13:09] <yofel> acheronuk: actually, check the Applications/15.08 branch, then you'll know if it's fine or not
[13:09] <yofel> *16.08
[13:10] <acheronuk> yesp, that is what I'm going to take a look at
[13:10] <yofel> great :)
[13:10]  * acheronuk blames his keyboard today. grr @ typos
[13:15] <acheronuk> ok. looks like both kdf and cervisa where ported for 16.08
[13:15] <acheronuk> phew!
[13:16] <yofel> ok, the akonadi change I did earlier was for 16.12 I believe, but not harmful for 16.08
 I'm OK with that
[13:45] <yofel> lets wait until the evening so we can get a bit more work done, then I'll work on the CI again
[13:46] <yofel> first thing I'll add is a retry-after-failure plugin so jenkins auto-retries failure (somewhat like: run>fail>wait 5 min>fail>10min>fail>15min>fail permanently). That should make the failure list more realistic short-term, even if it's ugly
[13:47] <yofel> then I guess looking at making stable work again should be next...
[13:54] <pursuivant> libqapt (master) v3.0.2-4-gd109c90 * Harald Sitter: utils (2 files in 2 dirs)
[13:54] <pursuivant> fix incorrect markup usage
[13:54] <pursuivant> since kf5 kuit markup needs to be run through xi18n* rather than i18n*
[13:54] <pursuivant> (this really should have a build-time check in ki18n... fixing this crap
[13:54] <pursuivant> http://commits.kde.org/libqapt/d109c90d9deb6ff7f2e18f1244801da098916d4f
[14:11] <clivejo> sorry was away for a bit
[14:14] <yofel> clivejo: on a different topic: can you explain the usecase of xenial unstable to me?
[14:15] <clivejo> I dont know why those branches are there
[14:15] <clivejo> why do we need distro_unstable?
[14:15] <yofel> I mean the builds. Currently they build from kubuntu_unstable as well, but I don't see any workflow where they would ever get used?
[14:16] <clivejo> sorry, I think Im misunderstanding the question
[14:16] <yofel> yakkety unstable, obvious. yakkety stable, obvious. stable_series stable, useful for bugfix releases (e.g. plasma LTS), but stable_series unstable?!?
[14:17] <yofel> I mean, in what situation would you use the xenial unstable builds?
[14:17] <yofel> or hm, they give information about backportability
[14:18] <clivejo> Id use it to judge problems Id encounter backporting to Xenial
[14:18] <yofel> ok, that's what I missed in my thought process. ok
[14:18] <clivejo> if we had Qt on KCI, it would have shown up the issues with sip
[14:19] <tsimonq2> yofel: if I have a package, how do I generate the symbols file when I don't know where the library resides? The docs say: "The above commands should be invoked from the top level directory of your package's source after having build the package and before cleaning (so that debian/libfoo1/usr/lib/libfoo.so.1 exists). "symbols.amd64" is the filename of the intermediate symbols file that will be gener
[14:19] <tsimonq2> ated by pkgkde-gensymbols." but I don't know what "after having build the package and before cleaning" means
[14:20] <yofel> tsimonq2: it means in the build folder after a successful build, while all the temporary debhelper/dpkg data is still there
[14:20] <clivejo> and sometimes we need to backport 3rd party packages to make a succussful backport
[14:20] <clivejo> libdrumstick will need backported to xenial, so that the new app minuet will build on X
[14:20]  * yofel isn't convinced that having Qt in kci makes sense
[14:21] <clivejo> if KCI was working correctly, it should flag that
[14:22] <yofel> right
[14:22] <clivejo> just trying to think on example I know about
[14:22] <clivejo> of why unstable on xenial is useful to have
[14:22] <yofel> well, it would flag it as "xenial unstable FAILURE"
[14:22] <clivejo> if everything was wroking
[14:23] <clivejo> in theory it would make backporting easier, as we would know about issues in advantage of doing the backport
[14:23] <clivejo> forward planning so to speak
[14:24] <yofel> right
[14:24] <clivejo> spread the workload, rather than the big bang approach
[14:24] <tsimonq2> yofel: do you know if I can do that with sbuild? how can I catch it at that stage?
[14:25] <yofel> tsimonq2: I don't. I use pbuilder with a hook that drops me into a shell post-build
[14:25] <tsimonq2> yofel: ooh how do I configure that?
[14:25] <clivejo> but as for stable on xenial, Im at a lose to find a use for that?
[14:25] <clivejo> cant see the bigger picture
[14:26] <clivejo> loss even
[14:27] <yofel> clivejo: bugfix release SRUs - which we currently don't have. So that's probably something to selectively enable/disable
[14:27] <yofel> if it's actually worth it
[14:27] <yofel> probably only for plasma
[14:27] <clivejo> oh ok
[14:27] <clivejo> sorry my brain is elsewhere at the moment
[14:27] <yofel> with plasma LTS for kubuntu 18.04 it'll become relevant
[14:27] <yofel> again
[14:28] <clivejo> people are mapping Pokestops on OSM *cries*
[14:28] <yofel> rofl
[14:28] <clivejo> as if we dont have enough rubbish with "Big Daves House" and other strangeness people be up to!
[14:29] <tsimonq2> yofel: how did you configure pbuilder like that?
[14:29] <yofel> tsimonq2: make yourself a pbuilder setup configuring the pbuilder hook directory, then put http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks/view/head:/C10shell into there, rename it to B10shell and make sure it's executable
[14:29] <yofel> you might as well use all our hooks ;)
[14:29] <tsimonq2> great thanks :)
[14:29] <yofel> C10shell will run on failure, B* on success
[14:30] <clivejo> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4318912590
[14:30] <clivejo> a tourist attraction!
[14:30]  * clivejo curses
[14:32] <clivejo> yofel: do you have the kde-l10n packaging guide to hand?
[14:32] <tsimonq2> yofel: but I don't just want it when it fails
[14:32] <clivejo> I can never find it
[14:33] <tsimonq2> yofel: I want it all the time
[14:33] <yofel> tsimonq2: yes, so cp C10shell to B10shell, or just symlink it
[14:33] <tsimonq2> alright thanks
[14:34] <yofel> clivejo: https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Packaging/L10nOperatorGuide (google for kubuntu l10n, then on the linked wiki page there's a link to that)
[14:37]  * clivejo wonders if he could do the kde-l10n on linode
[14:38] <yofel> urgh, you'll have to wait a bit with that
[14:38] <yofel> I didn't finish restoring the packaging env
[14:38] <clivejo> you torturing it again?
[14:38] <yofel> so all I could give you is a bare xenial container
[14:38] <yofel> if that helps you?
[14:39] <clivejo> it ok, it can wait
[14:39] <clivejo> did you backup my settings
[14:39] <yofel> I did back up 'kde-apps', yes
[15:00] <acheronuk> "If we are in the middle of an update, Launchpad will be back in a couple of minutes."
[15:00] <acheronuk> if it's not one thing it's another!
[15:26] <tsimonq2> yofel: I'm frustrated, I couldn't get pbuilder to work, and I just want to do it like the instructions say
[15:27] <yofel> tsimonq2: then just do it by hand: make a deboostrap chroot, install the build-deps, debuild
 WoW it's busy busy time in here today 😃
[15:27] <tsimonq2> o/ Rick
 Lots of action going on 😃
[15:29] <Mirv> ok Qt Creator 4.0.2 upgrade done, tomorrow: Qt 5.6.1 (if nothing pops up)
[15:29] <yofel> \o/
[15:29] <yofel> interesting: https://tjaalton.wordpress.com/2016/07/23/intel-graphics-gen4-and-newer-now-defaults-to-modesetting-driver-on-x/
[15:29] <acheronuk> :D
[15:30] <yofel> if that means less buggy intel, I'm happy
[15:31] <acheronuk> yofel: I saw that. 
[15:31] <acheronuk> I had to report several bugs to Chris Wilson/intel-gfx when my intel laptop was my main machine
[15:32] <yofel> my optimus notebook uses the nvidia shipped intel driver. When I initially installed kubuntu, the archive driver was barely functional...
[15:52] <tsimonq2> yofel: generating symbols, should I specify libQt5WebChannel.so.5, libQt5WebChannel.so.5.6, or libQt5WebChannel.so.5.6.1?
[15:52] <yofel> tsimonq2: the first
[15:52] <tsimonq2> yofel: alright
[15:53] <tsimonq2> yofel: and then the version I specify is the same as in the debian/changelog file or the same as the orig.tar.xz version?
[15:53] <yofel> uh, now I need to look at the docs, sec
[15:54] <yofel> tsimonq2: latter (i.e. the same as you would pass batchpatch)
[15:55] <tsimonq2> yofel: alright
[15:59] <tsimonq2> yofel: does this look good? https://git.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/+git/qtwebchannel/commit/?id=2eee915b516ff5e79e37e6e21a44189f972f4f28
[15:59] <yofel> tsimonq2: looks ok to me
[16:00] <yofel> tsimonq2: actually no
[16:00] <yofel> that libfoo1 in line 2 is wrong
[16:00] <tsimonq2> gosh darnit
[16:00] <yofel> that should say libqt5webchannel5
[16:00] <yofel> I think
[16:02] <tsimonq2> yofel: how about now? https://git.launchpad.net/~tsimonq2/+git/qtwebchannel/commit/?id=c5f64da2863d3c1879c72c0553cf96e911539300
[16:03] <yofel> looks ok to me. The Qt version namespaces at the top I'm not familiar with
[16:03] <tsimonq2> great :)
[16:08] <yofel> hm, I forgot that you could indeed just extract the debs to get the library files...
[16:08]  * yofel makes a mental note
 has anyone tried to upgrade from 14.04 to 16.04?
 that's going to be a BIG upgrade
[17:37] <jimarvan> :S
[17:38] <jimarvan> I wouldn't even dare tbh
[17:40] <dirtside> I've had bad enough experiences trying to upgrade from one major version to another in the past; it's simpler to just reinstall anew and migrate my home dir.
 personally I would not recommand it
[17:44] <acheronuk> I did vivid -> wily -> xenial in 1 day, and that was bad enough
[17:45] <tsimonq2> O___O
[17:45] <mamarley> I may or may not just change "xenial" to "yakkety" in /etc/apt/source.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* (where applicable) and do a normal upgrade with Synaptic…
[17:59] <clivejo> mamarley: when you put in an SD, USB or disc does Plasma 5.7.2 pop a window telling you?  and if so, what does it do when you click on the device you just inserted?
[17:59] <clivejo> in YY
[18:00] <BluesKaj> mamarley, sudo release-upgrade -d ?
[18:01] <BluesKaj> oops  sudo do-release-upgrade -d , rather
[18:01] <BluesKaj> mamarley,^
[18:02] <mamarley> BluesKaj: No, just a regular upgrade in Synaptic.  I don't recommend others do it though; it may break your system.
[18:02] <mamarley> clivejo: Just a sec, let me see if I can find a USB stick somewhere around here…
[18:03] <mamarley> clivejo: Sorry, there are no USB sticks in this vicinity.  I will try that once I get home.
[18:05] <BluesKaj> mamarley,   I used sed to change sources.list waaay back in the winter sometime ,  sudo sed -i 's/xenial/yakkety/' /etc/apt/sources.list 
[18:05] <BluesKaj> then updated and upgraded
[18:06] <mamarley> Yep, that's what I do, mainly so I don't have all my PPA packages downgraded and then have to go re-enable and upgrade them again.
[18:07] <BluesKaj> well. it does work if there's no devel release available officially 
[18:09] <BluesKaj> wow, 2 in a row :-)
[18:10] <yofel> ahoneybun: I did once. Can work, I believe I even tested that at release time, but I wouldn't rely on it. You'll loose all your desktop settings anyway
[18:23] <yofel> ahoneybun: OTOH, if you do run into problems we can try fixing those ;)
[18:23] <BluesKaj> Konversation has socks5 proxy server options that seem useless ..the proxy just gets ignored somehow 
[18:25] <jimarvan> i see the fixing goes very well lately
[18:25] <jimarvan> what have you done?
[18:25] <jimarvan> :D
[18:25] <BluesKaj> I have access to a proxy server that works well on qbittorrent, but the same settings on konversation have no effect whatsoever
[18:28] <BluesKaj> google and duck duck go  and other searches have nothing about this except how to "tor "
[18:31] <acheronuk> jimarvan: fixes? a new keen volunteer tsimonq2. nervous energy on my part from lack sleep :P. and everyone else of course
[18:31] <jimarvan> :D
[18:31] <Sho_> I can try it some time, I have a socks5 proxy set up
[18:32] <jimarvan> going for training, see ya later :D
[18:33] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: been up for almost 24 hours, I want to sleep, but there's an Ubuntu On Air session in less than a half an hour that I need to do
[18:34] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: but yeah, I've just been plowing through those
[18:34] <tsimonq2> :P
[18:48]  * yofel keeps poking tsimonq2 to keep him awake
[18:49] <tsimonq2> I'm fine lol
[18:49] <yofel> ;P
[18:50] <tsimonq2> yofel: drinking game: watch the Ubuntu On Air session and drink every time I yawn
[18:50] <tsimonq2> XD
[18:50] <yofel> uh, rather not XD
[19:35] <tsimonq2> finally! all done! sleep for me, o/
[19:37] <yofel> nini :)
[19:50] <clivejo> yofel: how do I setup a LP trigger
 Either through the web ui, or if the branch is in kubuntu packaging, use the script in kubuntu-dev-tools
[20:02] <clivejo> yofel is there a secret needed?
[20:03] <claydoh> silly question: how is the qt version in 16.04 affectng things there? 
[20:03]  * claydoh should know but doesn't
[20:04] <clivejo> means we have a lot more work to backport Plasma 5.7 as it requires Qt5.6.1
[20:04] <clivejo> and there wont be official Qt5.6.1 on XX for a while yet
[20:05] <clivejo> if at all :/
[20:06] <claydoh> ouch
[20:06] <acheronuk> we have it readying in the staging for backports
[20:06] <claydoh> and for obvious reasons we aren't providing updated qt
[20:06] <acheronuk> backport-ppa
 Clive: no secret. But a long trigger url
[20:07] <clivejo> acheronuk here has been backporting a test build of it, which is working very nicely!
[20:08] <acheronuk> but, if people eventually use that backport from a ppa, it will be on them
[20:08] <claydoh> there actually is a peron in the forum nearly demanding a two week turnover for things, and just where is his applications 16.04.1  packages?
[20:08] <claydoh> well, I read it as demanding :)
[20:08] <acheronuk> claydoh: I saw that!
[20:09]  * claydoh forgets to thank acheronuk for visiting kfn ;)
[20:09] <claydoh> it is noce to see some crossover
[20:09] <claydoh> between dev land and user-land, scary as that can be for everyone
[20:10] <claydoh> nice to see, rather
[20:10] <acheronuk> claydoh: I like forum stuff, so it's familiar to me
[20:10] <claydoh> +1
[20:10] <acheronuk> claydoh: thought I've had to bite my tongue
[20:10] <acheronuk> *though
[20:10] <claydoh> acheronuk: why?
[20:11] <acheronuk> that Q today for one
[20:12] <claydoh> it is laiud back there, I try to make sure it stays that way, as does everyone else
[20:12] <claydoh> laid back, rather
[20:12] <acheronuk> it needs be nothing more, and that is good
[20:12] <claydoh> feel free to voice an opinion, unless you think you would get hot headed for some reason
[20:13] <acheronuk> believe me, if I really want to, I will!
[20:13] <claydoh> ;)
[20:14] <clivejo> tell him to come and help!
[20:14] <claydoh> you can tell the overall tone of the forum by how we have responded in that thread. And yes, I held back myself
[20:15] <clivejo> what forum is it?
[20:15] <claydoh> kubuntuforums.net
[20:16] <clivejo> who runs that?
[20:17] <santa_> good evening everyone
[20:17] <claydoh> a dude named Open Source, I am a mod/admin there since 2006
[20:17] <clivejo> hi santa_
[20:18] <claydoh> but really myself and SnowHog actually run it, though it doesn't ake much to do
[20:18] <acheronuk> clivejo: I gave hime links to the dojo and to donate to kubuntu ;) to 'hurry things up'
[20:18] <clivejo> just seen a dirty big ad banner
[20:19] <clivejo> have you a link to the post?
[20:19] <acheronuk> https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?70160-Plasma-5-6-x-when&p=390649&viewfull=1#post390649
[20:20] <claydoh> awe, just sign up there already clivejo :D
[20:20] <claydoh> get rid of the ads for free
[20:20] <clivejo> I think Im on it
[20:20] <clivejo> somewhere
[20:20] <clivejo> god knows what the password is
[20:22] <claydoh> yes you are, I can send you a password recovery link if you'd like
[20:22] <clivejo> let me check my vault
[20:22] <clivejo> Im reading this 
[20:22] <clivejo> are you greygeek?
[20:23] <claydoh> clivejo: nope I am me, claydoh same as here
[20:23] <claydoh> I am a bit younger lol
[20:23] <claydoh> tho the grey is expanding
[20:24] <acheronuk> I think claydoh is claydoh
[20:24] <clivejo> Im in"!
[20:24] <acheronuk> unless there is subterfuge
[20:25] <clivejo> can I point him to Neon?
[20:25] <claydoh> acheronuk: no ive been claydoh since 1973 ish
[20:25] <ahoneybun> Neon!
[20:25] <claydoh> clivejo: he already has been pointed there
[20:25] <clivejo> ah yes
[20:26] <ahoneybun> why are people in Kubuntu pointing people to Neon?
[20:26] <clivejo> cause he wants it yesterday#
[20:27] <acheronuk> ahoneybun: and it is new and shiny. to them anyway
[20:27] <ahoneybun> mm
[20:27]  * ahoneybun dislikes Neon
[20:27] <clivejo> what has Neon done on Mr Honeybun?
[20:28] <ahoneybun> left us
[20:28] <clivejo> thats the Linux world
[20:28] <clivejo> forks, of forks, of forks
[20:29] <clivejo> gives us more choice and freedom
[20:29] <ahoneybun> also left us high and dry
[20:29] <genii> Divides and conquers
[20:30] <claydoh> we aren't distro snobs or haters on the forum thank goodness
[20:30] <claydoh> tho I was the only "no" votr there on adding a Neon section
[20:31] <acheronuk> if you don't have one, it will just pollute other threads and sections (more)
[20:32] <claydoh> we hyave too many sections, and sub-sections which is my pet peeve and popular demand keeps me from getting rid of lol
[20:33] <acheronuk> always the way with forums. they are hard to balance like that
[20:34] <claydoh> yup
[20:35] <santa_> talking about the topic, what's the blocker? qt?
[20:35] <santa_> how many people we have here with permissions to upload to archive?
[20:35] <santa_> just want to catch up after my long abscence here
[20:36] <acheronuk> The Qt maintainer is uploading Qt 5.6.1 for YY tomorrow I think to the main archive?
[20:37] <acheronuk> so can then build against that rather than my version
[20:38] <acheronuk> don't think yofel wanted to upload anything else until that was done and ironed out?
[20:38] <santa_> Mirv: ↑ is this right? do you have a ppa with a pre-release of the upcoming qt packages?
[20:39] <acheronuk> santa: https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-024/+packages
[20:41] <santa_> ok
[20:43] <clivejo> awww, I dont have a signature
[20:44]  * acheronuk goes to put '2 week turnaround' onto trello todo for clivejo
[20:48] <santa_> reboot
[20:54] <yofel> clivejo: got your trigger set up?
[20:54] <clivejo> not sure
[20:54] <clivejo> I moved muon to LP
[20:55] <clivejo> updated the git in KCI
[20:55] <clivejo> and copied a job for yakkety
[20:55] <yofel> hm, looks about right
[20:55] <yofel> uh, let me rather do a proper job refresh
[20:56] <yofel> needs to be added to kci.yaml anyway or the job would vanish
[20:56] <yofel> I think
[20:56] <clivejo> could you add muon and kdeconnect to the daily build queue
[20:58] <yofel> updating
[21:04] <yofel> clivejo: done
[21:06] <yofel> hm, why does that have its own category...
[21:06] <clivejo> dunno
[21:06] <yofel> kdeconnect was also already there
[21:06] <clivejo> was thinking of renaming it to misc kde stuff
[21:07] <clivejo> but dont think theres a way to list the packages in it
[21:07] <clivejo> can we get rid?
[21:07] <yofel> of?
[21:07] <clivejo> the muon tab/category
[21:08] <yofel> sure, the builds are listed in the other views
[21:08] <clivejo> it shows up in the xenial and yakkety lists
[21:09] <clivejo> gone
[21:10] <mamarley> clivejo: You asked me about the Device Notifier thing earlier?  I just tried it and it appears to work properly.  It pops up when I plug a USB stick and Dolphin comes up when I click on the device.
[21:11] <clivejo> it opens dolphin
[21:11] <clivejo> mine doesnt :(
[21:12] <acheronuk> clivejo: in YY?
[21:13] <clivejo> yup
[21:13] <acheronuk> when I attatched the vboxadditions iso to my yy VM this morning, it triggerd the popup ok
[21:14] <acheronuk> clicking opened the iso contents in dolphin as well
[21:15] <clivejo> weird, sometimes it pops up about KIO
[21:15] <clivejo> I just put in an SD card and its working
[21:17] <clivejo> claydoh can you enable my signature?
[21:18] <claydoh> clivejo: lemme look
[21:20] <acheronuk> !cookies 
[21:21]  * clivejo is still waiting for his cookies
[21:21] <acheronuk> !cookie
[21:22]  * acheronuk ** hides **
[21:22] <claydoh> clivejo: you should be able to have one, you only need 3 posts before being allowed to
[21:23] <acheronuk> clivejo: did it not let you edit?
[21:23] <clivejo> I added one
[21:23] <clivejo> but not showing up
[21:24] <claydoh>  Did you ediot  it here: https://www.kubuntuforums.net/profile.php?do=editsignature
[21:25] <clivejo> yup
[21:25] <claydoh> nothing is showing in the admin panel for you there
[21:26] <acheronuk> clivejo: did you click preview instead of save maybe?
[21:29] <claydoh> I can copypasta the text if you can paste it somewhere, can't find the setting yet but mybe we turned off html in sigs? 
[21:30] <claydoh> nope it is enablred
[21:32] <clivejo> its three lines buts says Your signature contains too many lines and must be shortened. You may only have up to 4 line(s). Long text may have been implicitly wrapped, causing it to be counted as multiple lines.
[21:42] <clivejo> eak
[21:42] <clivejo> gimp: symbol lookup error: gimp: undefined symbol: gegl_param_multiline_get_type
[21:44] <yofel> well, rebuild gimp and scream at the maintainer that broke a lib
[21:45] <jimarvan> FAILING?
[21:45] <jimarvan> again? :O
[21:45] <jimarvan> hihi  :D
[21:52] <yofel> read timeout, huh
[21:52] <yofel> well, that's why we now have auto-retries
[21:54] <yofel> clivejo: what port did I give your container again?
[21:55] <yofel> I need to implement port logging :/
[21:55] <clivejo> 2201
[21:55] <yofel> clivejo: running again
[21:55] <yofel> I restored ~, did you change anything else?
[21:56] <clivejo> dont think so
[21:56] <yofel> ok, if you do remember something, the backup is in /srv/bak/kde-apps on the host
[21:59] <clivejo> not letting me in
[21:59] <yofel> hm, oops
[22:01] <yofel> clivejo: now
[22:01] <clivejo> in
[22:01] <yofel> cp -u didn't behave as I expected
[22:01] <clivejo> The program 'fortune' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
[22:04] <yofel> ok, nvm that, fixed
[22:04] <acheronuk> yofel: do you know if the fix for driver manager is going into Xenial soon?
[22:05] <yofel> acheronuk: as soon as someone gets it in
[22:05] <acheronuk> oops. sorry to interrupt
[22:08] <clivejo> !info kde-l10n
[22:09] <clivejo> !info kde-l10n-ru
[22:14] <clivejo> oh good lord
[22:14] <jimarvan> hmm
[22:14] <jimarvan> localization problem?
[22:15] <clivejo> the linode is fast
[22:15] <acheronuk> hope so
[22:16] <clivejo> where do I add my ssh key in KDE
[22:17] <yofel> login to depot and add it to authorized_keys
[22:18] <yofel> if you need access to that
[22:20] <clivejo> how do I add it
[22:21] <clivejo> what text editor
[22:21] <clivejo> I can more the file
[22:22] <clivejo> and can see my other entry
[22:22] <clivejo> but how do I edit the file to add my new key under that one
[22:22] <yofel> vim is installed, dunno what else
[22:23] <apol> hi guys, can you look into this bug report? https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=366029
[22:30] <acheronuk> clivejo: lol. 'yak attack' avatar!
[22:37] <clivejo> :P
[22:38] <clivejo> now how do I remote sign 
[22:38]  * clivejo scratches head
[22:41] <acheronuk> clivejo: I googled a while back and found links like https://www.isi.edu/~calvin/gpgagent.htm
[22:42] <clivejo> isnt it debsign -r ?
[22:44] <acheronuk> that would be better
[22:45] <acheronuk> was going to work it out when I got there....
[22:46] <clivejo> not sure how to tell it to log into the container
[22:46] <clivejo> how do I tell it the port :/
[22:51] <clivejo> yofel: help!
[22:52] <clivejo> how do I connect to the host via debsign using port 2201?
[23:05] <acheronuk> wow. very little info, even on Google!
[23:08] <clivejo> got it
[23:10] <clivejo> added Port 2201 to my .ssh/config entry
[23:11] <jimarvan> :)
[23:13] <acheronuk> noted
[23:16] <clivejo> I love how fast it is!
[23:16] <clivejo> would take me hours!
[23:16]  * acheronuk is jealous
[23:17] <clivejo> get a container :P
[23:17] <acheronuk> there are builds on LP still not published 2 hrs after finishing!
[23:17] <clivejo> where?
[23:19] <acheronuk> kdelib4support etc
[23:19] <acheronuk> and some others. if you can belive LP that is
[23:21] <acheronuk> clivejo: I'll ask for a container when I can justify it. :) 
[23:23] <acheronuk> ok. I must say goodnight. 
[23:23] <acheronuk> zzzzzzzzzzzzz
[23:24] <clivejo> hope you sleep well
[23:25] <acheronuk> now I see your signature
[23:27] <clivejo> you do?
[23:27] <clivejo> oh on the forum!
[23:27] <acheronuk> yes
[23:27] <clivejo> !info kiosktool
[23:27] <acheronuk> really goodnight now. 
[23:28] <jimarvan> same :D
[23:28] <jimarvan> see ya peeps
[23:28] <jimarvan> ;)