[00:37] <droid2> humm so confusing because i check gsettings/dconf i.e the linux equivalent to a windows register and don't  see anything for lightdm just gnome so kind of wondering since no gdm is installed what the /etc/gnome files are really doing or maybe there just left over from somebody forgetting to remove these when making the distro?
[02:31] <qengho> Oh, right. Good morning!
[04:45] <hikiko> hi
[05:02] <qengho> hikiko: hi hi hi hi hi!
[05:02] <hikiko> hi qengho :-)
[05:03] <hikiko> how are you ?
[05:03] <qengho> hikiko: take over. I'm going to lunch.
[05:03] <qengho> hikiko: pretty good!
[05:04] <hikiko> Enjoy :-)
[05:04] <hikiko> Cool !
[05:04] <qengho> hikiko: I saw some jaw-dropping scenery this weekend.
[05:04] <qengho> It waas obviously photoshopped.
[05:05] <qengho> Geology can not do what I saw.
[05:05]  * qengho noms.
[05:06] <duflu> Good morning
[05:06]  * duflu wonders if there's a word for the start of the week
[05:07] <duflu> Good Monding?
[05:08] <duflu> Bugger. My made up word already exists with a different meaning. Such is English
[05:25] <pitti> Good morning
[05:25] <duflu> Morning pitti, hikiko, qengho
[05:26] <hikiko> morning all :)
[05:28] <thumper> o/
[05:37] <duflu> Oh hi thumper
[05:38] <thumper> duflu: how goes it?
[05:38] <duflu> thumper: It goes Mondayish. You?
[05:38] <thumper> yeah...
[05:38] <thumper> drudging through some boring stuff
[05:38] <thumper> happy to be avoiding the mid-cycle
[05:38] <duflu> 1:38pm: Finished email and bug triage :P
[05:39] <duflu> For some values of 'finished'
[05:39] <thumper> :)
[05:40] <thumper> duflu: what are you focused on these days?
[05:40] <duflu> thumper: Mir and Xmir
[05:40] <duflu> And trying not to be responsible for Unity8 bugs
[05:41] <thumper> how is mir shaking out?
[05:42] <duflu> thumper: Mir is OK. It moves very slowly, but the reason is test driven development. So we go 10-20 times slower than most projects, but have fewer regressions
[06:12] <didrocks> good morning!
[06:19] <pitti> bonjour didrocks ! bien rentrè ?
[06:19] <pitti> rentré
[06:21] <didrocks> pitti: oui oui, aucun problème particulier, et toi, comment ça va ?
[06:23] <pitti> didrocks: ça va bien, merci -- c'était un week-end calm chez nous
[06:24] <pitti> still a bit shocked on all the attacks recently (Nice, Munich, axe attack in Würzburg, and now Ansbach yesterday)
[06:26] <didrocks> pitti: indeed…
[06:26]  * pitti goes for a run before it gets too warm
[06:41] <Sweet5hark> moin
[06:42] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:42] <seb128> hey Sweet5hark
[06:42] <seb128> how are you?
[06:43] <Sweet5hark> seb128:  all fine here.
[06:43] <didrocks> hey seb128, Sweet5hark
[06:43] <seb128> hey didrocks!
[06:44] <Sweet5hark> getting out more due to pokemon, which is a good thing.
[06:51] <seb128> lol
[06:51] <seb128> while avoiding being shoot, which is good as well!
[07:42] <Trevinho> Morning
[07:43] <didrocks> hey Trevinho
[07:43] <Trevinho> didrocks: hey Didier, how is it?
[07:43] <seb128> hey Trevinho, how are you?
[07:44] <didrocks> Trevinho: finally back home ! feeling good, yourself ?
[07:48] <Trevinho> didrocks, seb128: yeah all right ;-)
[08:04] <Laney> morning!
[08:04] <Laney> forgot my server was going to be restarted
[08:07] <didrocks> hey Laney!
[08:07] <pitti> oh, some life here -- hello Sweet5hark, seb128, Trevinho and Laney!
[08:07] <Trevinho> hi pitti and Laney
[08:08] <pitti> seb128: avoiding being shot, or axed, or run over by a truck, or nail-bombed (last night in Ansbach) -- there's lots of choice today!
[08:08] <Laney> I feel NAKED without my precious scrollback
[08:08] <pitti> </sad sarcasm>
[08:08] <Laney> hey didrocks Trevinho pitti
[08:08] <Laney> pitti: :(
[08:08] <pitti> Laney: detached from the hive, eh?
[08:12]  * Laney shivers in the corner
[08:17]  * Laney got paged at 9am this morning
[08:17] <Laney> seems my new schedule works
[08:18] <seb128> hey Laney pitti
[08:19] <seb128> pitti, yeah, news are crazy recently :-/
[08:27] <Laney> hey seb128
[08:27] <Laney> how are you?
[08:27] <seb128> I'm good thanks!
[08:27] <seb128> how are you? had a good w.e?
[08:28] <Laney> yeah!
[08:28] <Laney> we went to the allotment both days and did a lot of work there
[08:28] <Laney> looking better now
[08:28] <Laney> the hedge is about 50% smaller
[08:28]  * Laney muhahaha
[08:29] <Laney> and also it was sunny
[08:29] <Laney> what about you?
[08:34] <seb128> we went to the north of France for the w.e, didn't do much, went to a sport shop on saturday to buy some stuff, otherwise some reading & enjoying the weather
[08:34] <seb128> bbq on saturday evening as well
[08:34] <didrocks> oh, you went to the north? like Paris? :p
[08:35] <didrocks> !revenge!
[08:35] <seb128> lol
[09:34] <Laney> some place nearby has something which beeps every minute
[09:34] <Laney> day or night
[09:34] <Laney> and has been doing so for a few days
[09:34] <pitti> smoke detector?
[09:34] <pitti> ... being out of battery?
[09:34] <Laney> like one with low battery
[09:35] <Laney> but I can't quite work out where it is
[09:51] <andyrock> morning
[09:53] <ricotz> Laney, pitti, haha, I've been there a few days ago ;)
[10:00]  * Laney goes craaaazy
[10:04] <Laney> oh
[10:04] <Laney> it's alpha 2 this week
[10:04] <Laney> ...
[10:45]  * Sweet5hark wakes up and thinks alpha2 means something about throwing libreoffice 5.2 over the fence for him.
[11:17] <Laney> that sounds like alphaish behaviour
[11:17] <Laney> do it
[11:21] <jbicha> Laney: so you're uploading GTK3.20 today? ;)
[11:22] <Laney> that was the "..."
[11:23] <Laney> creating turbulence in a milestone week doesn't seem super nice
[11:24] <jbicha> yeah I assume it will break Lubuntu: bug 1597526
[11:30] <Laney> yeah there's a bounty for that one
[11:30] <Laney> they might want to use another theme in the meantime
[11:30] <Laney> afaik lxde itself is still gtk2
[11:41] <seb128> what's the status of xubuntu?
[11:42] <Laney> their theme is ported
[11:44] <seb128> great
[11:44] <jbicha> seb128: initial GTK3.20 support for greybird is in the yakkety new queue :)
[11:44] <seb128> what is greybird?
[11:45] <Laney> theme
[11:45] <jbicha> that's Xubuntu's default theme
[11:45] <seb128> xfce one?
[11:45] <seb128> k
[11:46] <seb128> does it need to stay unapproved until gtk 3.20 is uploaded?
[11:47] <jbicha> seb128: no, the greybird package works with GTK 3.18 too
[11:47] <seb128> k
[11:50] <jbicha> it's a good question because some themes only include support for a particular GTK3 version
[12:05] <flexiondotorg> Laney, Just back from a week away. Saw that GTK 3.20 will land after Alpha 2 in your mail.
[12:05] <flexiondotorg> Suits Ubuntu MATE, we'll be ready to land GTK 3.20 support just after Alpha 2.
[12:06] <flexiondotorg> Initial GTK 3.20 support will be sufficient to work.
[12:06] <flexiondotorg> With follow up to refine it in a few weeks.
[12:06] <Laney> flexiondotorg: 'k, that's good, thx
[12:07] <Laney> hope you had a fun sprint
[12:09] <flexiondotorg> Laney, Very.
[12:26] <pitti> seb128: I just tried to apply your polkit patch; but "pkexec whoami" in gnome-terminal still says "error response to PolicyKit daemon: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: No session for cookie"
[12:26] <pitti> seb128: did that actually work for you?
[12:29] <pitti> seb128: oh, it seems it does work with polkit-gnome, just not without when authenticating in the shell with the text prompt
[12:30] <pitti> ok, I got it; with yakkety's packages polkit-gnome itself fails to start with "Unable to determine the session we are in: No session for pid 2316"
[12:34] <Laney> :q
[12:34] <pitti> seb128: uploaded to Debian now, will sync tonight when it gets imported
[12:34] <Laney> oops
[12:34] <Laney> don't quit!
[12:34] <pitti> no, don't quit!
[12:35] <Laney> does the polkit patch fix pk-gnome?
[12:35] <pitti> yes
[12:35]  * Laney forgot if it was to the new_for_process () bit
[12:35] <Laney> which is the thing that needs to fall back
[12:35] <Laney> cool
[12:44] <Sweet5hark> hah, Laney is team vi!
[12:46] <qengho> Sweet5hark: in irc, I mostly give away that I'm in Job Control Clan.
[12:47] <Sweet5hark> qengho: heh ;)
[12:50] <flexiondotorg> Laney, Do you have a rough ETA fir landing GTK 3.20? I can try and make sure Ubuntu MATE moves in lock step.
[12:50] <seb128> pitti, polkit failing to start should be fixed with that path no?
[12:50] <flexiondotorg> Basically, I just need to prepare and upload ubuntu-mate-artwork package and mate-themes packages.
[12:51] <flexiondotorg> mate-themes, the official upstream MATE Desktop themes, are ready.
[13:13] <mterry> Laney, looking at that unity-greeter issue now, though no promises.  I've spent so long in qml land, I've forgotten how to gtk  :)
[13:21] <pitti> seb128: yes, it is
[13:21] <pitti> seb128: there's still something else broken, but with pk-gnome it works again
[13:21] <seb128> pitti, k, good, you got me confused when you said the service was still failing to start with that error
[13:23] <pitti> seb128: I got confused; it's operation without pk-gnome when it's broken
[13:23] <seb128> k, makes sense
[13:23] <seb128> I didn't try pkexec, sorry about that
[13:48] <pitti> tedg: hey Ted, how are you?
[13:49] <pitti> tedg: btw, systemd 231 has a new feature which might help you -- if you prefix an Exec*= command with '+' it will run unconfined
[13:49] <pitti> tedg: that's what you (perhaps) wanted for the logging stuff, right?
[13:49] <pitti> tedg: although I still think it's better to use the journal than to put new log files everywhere, it's a nuisance to clean them up
[13:50] <ogra_> pitti, wont that eat your ram ?
[13:50] <ogra_> (if it is per app/process)
[13:51] <pitti> well, you have less logging with less RAM, or need to use persistent logging
[13:51] <Laney> mterry: ♥
[14:33] <seb128> going for some exercice, be back in a bit over an hour
[14:42] <ochosi> jbicha: hey! thanks for taking care of all the greybird packaging etc. just so you know, i'm still working on the port, i'll try to do a release very soon though (hopefully this week?)
[14:43] <ochosi> jbicha: if you want or need any heads up on that or if you want to coordinate always feel free to get in touch with me here!
[14:43] <jbicha> ochosi: ok, cool
[14:50] <jbicha> I was impatient so I packaged the git snapshot but releases have prettier version numbers and are easier to work with
[14:52] <ochosi> :)
[14:57] <jbicha> ochosi: do you want me to report bugs in GTK 3.20 support now to github? I see a problem with the nautilus statusbar
[14:59] <ochosi> jbicha: sure! and wow, what really? this is totally based on adwaita so i'm surprised about any gnome app bugs :) could be that you're not shipping upstream and consequently there's a visual bug?
[17:18] <Laney> right, nighty night
[17:28] <seb128> night
[19:04] <ochosi> Sweet5hark: hey! shall i test this on gtk3.20 or is the target xenial?
[19:04] <Sweet5hark> ochosi: heya!
[19:04] <ochosi> also, you mention the "Radiance" theme there, isn't that Ambiance..? (dark toolbars and the like)
[19:05] <Sweet5hark> target is yakkety. xenial will very much stay with the gtk2 backend until EOL.
[19:05] <ochosi> k, so gtk3.20
[19:05] <ochosi> and what's the expected outcome? bright toolbars in LO? bright icons with Ambiance?
[19:06] <Sweet5hark> ochosi: whoopsie wrt. to radience/ambience I could never remember them right :p
[19:06] <tedg> pitti: Cool, thanks. In that case it's going into an SQLite DB, so it's not throwing files everywhere.
[19:06] <ochosi> also, is breeze an SVG based theme? if so, you could try to make the icons symbolic, then they would work with any theme
[19:08] <ochosi> brb
[19:09] <Sweet5hark> ochosi: well, I dont want to touch the icons -- they are upstreams party. The thing is, with the gtk2 backend the toolbars are light on the gtk theme, so the icon are well readable. with the gtk3 backend the toolbars have a dark background, which makes them pretty unreadable.
[19:11] <Sweet5hark> FWIW, just debugging this down to a few lines in the gtk3 theme would be very helpful (as In: when I change the color in the theme here, the toolbar color changes.) Im just lacking the time for that right now, and when I have that, I might debug what the difference between the gtk2/3 backends is.
[19:11]  * Sweet5hark gotta run now too ....
[19:20] <ochosi> Sweet5hark: ok, so the version you're referring to is already in the snap store though, right?
[20:01] <ogra_> bregma, so i spent half a workday on unity8 today (evolution and hexchat in libertine) ... since i discovered that tap to click now works on my laptop ... i had to stop eventually because my tighs started getting blisters ... the load was constantly above 1.5 and the fan didnt stop spinning
[20:02] <ogra_> i couldnt see any runaway processes in top thouh
[20:02] <bregma> your *what* started getting blisters?
[20:02] <ogra_> upper legs
[20:02] <bregma> um...
[20:03] <bregma> you had your laptop on your lap?
[20:03] <ogra_> indeed, it has that "lap" word in its name :)
[20:04] <ogra_> anyway ... something keeps the system at a really high load all the time but i couldnt really see anything
[20:04] <bregma> I understand now, second degree burns
[20:04] <ogra_> yeah ... i tried being funny :P
[20:05] <bregma> I don;t get that kind of load, but I do see an awful lot of active threads using htop
[20:05] <ogra_> ah, i have userland threads off in htop
[20:05] <pitti> Laney, seb128, tedg: just landed https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/3678, so the name is fixed now
[20:05] <ogra_> didnt think of that
[20:06] <bregma> it's certainly something to keep an eye on as we go forward with convergence on the desktop
[20:07] <ogra_> well, it slowly gets into usable state for me ...
[20:07] <ogra_> at least for laptop use
[20:07] <ogra_> not so much for my triple head nvidia workstation sadly
[20:08] <bregma> multi-monitor is still a bit further out, as proper window management and workspace support get improved
[20:08] <ogra_> workspaces, a fixed NM and the high load issue and i can use it as daily driver
[20:09] <ogra_> the window mgmt is good enough for me ... ii had worse stuff in my life :)
[20:09] <bregma> I'm seeing more Xmir and Mir-stack CPU usage than I'd like when libertine apps are running, we'll want to keep a special eye on that because of the lifecycle
[20:09] <ogra_> but unity7 really spoiled me ... i cant use any laptops without workspaces anymore :)
[20:10] <bregma> agreed
[20:10] <pitti> +1 :)
[20:10] <bregma> multiple workspaces on multiple montors
[20:10] <bregma> there can never be enough screen real estate
[20:10] <pitti> bregma: OOI, is  it possible to at least change the current monitor?
[20:11] <pitti> with unity8 I don't see anything on my external monitor; I suppose it just uses the internal one (but that's closed and in the dock); is there some equivalent of xrandr?
[20:11] <bregma> I don;t think Uniy 8 supports that yet, but Mir does underneath
[20:11] <bregma> because Ubnity 8 *is* a Mir server, it needs to be able to do that