[00:09] I've settled on a medium length SSID and password, and have just finished reconfiguring all my IoT things to connect again. Off to bed now. Thanks to all for input. I won't do anything about a bug report, as it only seems to be me with the problem! [00:14] still very strange that you're getting problems anyway [00:15] something is wonky and it feels bad not to find out what the problem is and only work around it in your case [00:19] Yeah. Maybe someone else will run it the issue. If not, it'll be the Manx fairies to blame! [00:19] goodnight [03:01] hi === mappps is now known as mapps [06:44] howdy all [08:03] Good morning [08:03] howdy popey [08:31] mornign [08:31] Plz type slowly when talking to popey .. he apparently has bad wifi [08:36] O [08:36] K [08:38] popey: morning and welcome back [08:38] I do? [08:39] popey: well it's that or it is your head from the sprint last week ;) [08:39] and then a weekend with AQ [08:40] the bad wifi was in the hotel in heidelberg 😛 [08:51] What always impressed (terrified?) me in HD were the flood levels marked on the sides of the buildings by the river. [08:52] Also really cool to see an actual working river is the various barges toing and front (often with the family car lashed on the back) [08:52] s/front/froing [09:08] morning boys and girls. [10:50] gm \o [10:50] barely. [10:51] good or morning? :-P [11:03] time'll tell :> [11:03] penguin42: afty \o [11:03] * penguin42 yaawwwnns at the end of a long weekend [11:04] that good eh? [11:04] * zmoylan-pi pushes mugs of tea and aldi knockoff penguin bars towards daftykins n penguin42 [11:04] yay :D [11:04] * penguin42 grabs an unpenguin bar [11:04] daftykins: Well a 4 day weekend is a good thing; not got much done though [11:05] :) that's the whole point i'd imagine! [11:05] so a good weekend then :-) [11:05] i received my new Startech special slimline optical to USB 3.0 enclosure today, so i was just then robbing the bluray drive from my old HTPC and popping it in [11:06] daftykins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg_ghkwt5cs [11:07] :D i always wanted to know what the guards said in the next bit [11:11] i managed to take a pic of the €20 'smart' watch... https://twitter.com/angryearthling/status/757155580305895424/photo/1 [11:20] WOW indeed [11:20] looks like a right Fitbit clone [11:21] a near disposable fitbit... [11:23] actually the strap on a clients actual one died the other day, i took it apart for fun but nope - you can't change the strap at all on the - Charge HR i think it was [11:23] though phoning in, they sent another one for free [11:24] i suspect from reading the reviews and comments in various chat rooms that wearables are been killed by users at high rates [11:25] wearables need to be durable because people are careless about what they do with their arms [11:26] i went through a fair few watches in 80s as i treated it as armour for holding open doors that were closing etc. [11:26] and you wonder why we only give you nokia phones [11:27] lost one throwing a punch. strap just died on impact... [11:28] my my [11:28] only nokia make moylan proof phones... nokia nokia that is, not ms nokia... [11:30] rumors yesterday were accurate: http://marissamayr.tumblr.com/post/147941613134/verizon-to-acquire-yahoos-operating-business [11:30] 5beeelion dollarsss... ::holds pinkie to mouth:: [11:31] 1 billion goes to mozilla seemingly [11:31] For Y!A!H!O!O! ? Wow, do people still use that [11:31] the oil trading industry uses yahoo messenger almost exclusively [11:31] In other news, owner of isohunt settles a lawsuit for $50M [11:31] their email has been doing well recently [11:32] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36883179?ocid=socialflow_twitter [11:32] tumblr is growing... even if it is a _lot_ of porn [11:32] ooh amazon tell me my pi3 has dispatched [11:32] * daftykins is soon to be known as daftykins-pi [11:32] ;) [11:33] Heh, I read somewhere that the biggest piracy/porn search engine now is bing.com [11:33] Bing! and the law is broken [11:33] Nice to MS's stand against piracy is working [11:33] since when did they have one? [11:33] pat the postman dispatched or al pacino dispatched? :-) [11:34] it's ok when they steal from someone, it's not ok to steal from ms [11:34] Perhaps not in general terms, but thinking of all the anti piracy stuff included in Windows [11:34] Region encoding for dvd's etc [11:35] region encoding for dvds as horrible as it is, is not ms's fault [11:35] DJones: i'm horrified that you think that's Microsoft, that's in drive firmware! [11:35] it's no wonder you open source folk have such bias when you make things up like this [11:35] ms media player... not _THATS_ ms's fault... :-) [11:36] *now [11:36] lol [11:36] Years ago I had a cd reader/writer that was blocked by Windows, rather than the firmware on the device, worked fine with Slackware for anything, just wouldn't work with windows [11:36] well that's heavily anecdotal [11:37] Maybe that was just that the opensource community had a workround for a hardware block [11:37] sounds more like misconfigured Windows to me [11:37] That wasn't incororated in Windows [11:37] I believe decss bypasses the firmware by reading it as data [11:38] I might be making that up on the spot though :-p\ [11:39] i would expect any drive interaction has to go via firmware [11:40] that _might_ be ms doing all the reading by the book whereas linux has had to make it up as they went along [11:40] I'm not anti-windows, it does some things better than linux (regardless of distro) so I use maybe 1 day week, I just prefer Linux via Ubuntu which meets 90% ofmy needs without monetary cost, no matter what, people use the best or easiest tool available to them [11:40] I like powerpoint & publisher, they are easy to use and work well for what I need to do with them [11:40] just cost in time :D [11:41] DJones: except dicky stallman whose morals are too staunch to sacrifice freedom in favour of ease [11:41] I admire him for his tanacity [11:41] diddledan: Well, respect to him for making the choice, no arguments there [11:41] exactly! [11:42] Outside of those two apps, there's nothing I can't do on Ubuntu/Linux [11:42] blurry on linux is still a pain [11:42] :-( [11:42] Even then I could find alternatives, but when I'm sharing files with pure windows users its easier just to stick with the, [11:42] nah, install makemkv... symlink a couple of libs and hey presto Kodi can play movies direct from disc [11:43] I worry about what makemkv does in it's binary blob though [11:43] \o/ contractor arrived, has a thinkpad. opening discussion about thinkpads [11:43] popey: yey! [11:43] I guessed x220t, was x230t, close [11:43] i'm actually dumping a Sopranos episode from this bluray drive over USB 3.0 with makemkv right now [11:43] play conkers with your thinkpads to show their superiority :-D [11:43] should have looked at the keyboard better [11:44] last time I had a chat with a stranger about his thinkpad was on a plane, and he turned out to be one of the designers of the BBC Micro [11:44] daftykins: Was kodi the follow on form xmbc? I think so, I used to use that and found it worked with everything, don't need it now with a smart tv though [11:44] chatted to him for hours. [11:44] Thinkpads are great ice breakers [11:44] s/form/from. [11:44] it's the geek equivalence of a pet dog. a conversation starter... [11:44] DJones: yeah the new name after some software company asked them to change [11:44] daftykins: Ta [11:44] been using it for my HTPC on the TV since the original xbox days :) [11:45] https://www.dropbox.com/s/oykiclnuauo12js/IMG_20160531_233053.jpg?dl=0 [11:45] dug it out the other day and it still runs! [11:45] :-o [11:45] Nice,I think I reformatted mine [11:46] 2.0x bluray so 8.5MB/sec is the max i'm getting off my old HTPC's bluray drive :( [11:46] I've managed to get to 2016 and not have any blueray devices [11:46] 30 mins to pull off a 13.6GB episode :) [11:47] mmm i'd not own one either if it didn't just come with my HTPC, but i ran Kodi from Linux so i never used it either [11:47] i watch most of my movies on screens smaller than 10" blu ray is a waste of capacity to me [11:47] never assumed they'd get it working [11:47] 10" ? wat [11:47] zmoylan-pi: did you just stop wanting any tech around one day? :) [11:48] i don't have a tv, i just use tablets and netbooks and phones for watching movies [11:48] that's horrible :( [11:48] i have bad eysight so big screens far away are of no use to me, a small screen close by is grand [11:48] you just pull up a chair :D [11:48] i found the hudl2 perfect size for watching 1080 at a few inches away [11:49] watched loads on that [11:49] i quite like having decent sound :P [11:49] headphones ftw [11:49] dear Tux no :P [11:49] as long as i can read the subtitles on seven samurai any screen size is acceptable... just right now that means a tablet usually [11:49] hard to get a full dolby digital setup on a plane [11:50] we weren't talking about flights i thought [11:50] if you keep changing the use case it surprisingly changes the constraints too [11:50] now if blu ray was more easily accessed for storing data i'd love the 20+gb of storage they allow for archives [11:51] popey: They could always mount 85" LCDs along the wings and turn the window seats around [11:51] i'd have to open a window and wing walk to watch... :-P [11:52] i was on a flight the other day where nobody was allowed peanuts because a 'hyper allergic' was onboard o0 [11:53] seems those baseball stadiums in the US have special suites for those folk too, to spare them from the slightest whiff of peanut exposure [11:53] so you had to use your emergency stash of snickers to feed your peanut habit... [11:54] :) [11:54] daftykins: It must be really difficult in the US - they put peanuts in everything [11:54] they even put peanuts in butter!! [11:54] :-p [11:54] :D [11:54] nuts....Disgusting things, just bits of wood...might as well chew on a chair leg, its the same material :) [11:55] Unless its coconut of course [11:55] eww [11:55] hate coconut [11:55] * zmoylan-pi loves a bounty bar once in a while [11:55] the dark chocolate version [11:55] Something I've never liked nuts apart from salted peanuts when in a pub (as long as they're not in a bowl on the bar) [11:55] * penguin42 now has a terrible vision of zmoylan-pi in a grass skirt [11:55] ugh not dark :P my parents would always ruin chocolate stashes with that preference! [11:56] daftykins: Send the dark chocolate this way [11:56] mmm salted peanuts, dry roasted and cashews \o/ [11:57] I believe this is needed at this juncture (mildly unsafe for kids) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnNYXgV7L-c [11:58] diddledan: i suppose that's still on the topic of nuts... [11:58] well there's chocolate and nuts so I figured it followed [11:58] back when chef was part of southpark... [11:58] s/nuts/salt/ [11:59] back when they were insulting everything except his own beliefs :) [11:59] I've not seen southpark since the movie [11:59] I blame canada [12:00] haven't seen it since my last tv died in 2008 [12:00] Never watched it, something I didn't like [12:00] can watch it in small doses [12:00] zmoylan-pi: get an hdhomerun and you can watch tv on your 10inch thingies [12:00] they've become highly topical, there's some very good stuff in there if you can skip past the toiler humour rubbish [12:01] there are some good bits, some inspired brilliant bits but a lot of annoying bits [12:01] paging david_ll_ fix your connection [12:01] it's ok, i even emailed the guy now [12:01] must be away or something :) [12:02] if only we had active ops that could set a temporary ban until it's resolved... [12:03] Not much in lastlog, just one read error and one client quit [12:04] some idiot outside has loud gangsta noises (can't call it music) playing [12:04] warm weather has idiot drivers driving around with windows open... [12:04] I saw a lot of connection failures over the weekend though [12:05] zmoylan-pi: I saw a picture on a local police twitter account that had a "home made convertible", the owner had just cut the roof off [12:05] well that guy has been dropping all weekend [12:05] i saw a mini pickup over the weekend... [12:06] not often you see a car with less cabin space than a smart car... [12:08] wow crucial seem to have some 80s synth as their hold music [12:08] \o/ [12:08] synth ftw [12:08] less cool is that it's ben there sinc the 80s... :-) [12:08] I think the link was this https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnzzbCXWYAEOCMA.jpg [12:08] XD [12:09] I like that the police had stopped them [12:11] apologies for dm link... compared to this wreck... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3698135/On-way-MOT-Footage-shows-completely-destroyed-car-DRIVEN-roads-Pakistan.html [12:11] nice tortoise [12:12] the terminator car, positively absolutely will not stop... [12:12] damn [12:13] "qmail is not an MTA. it's a set of building blocks to make your own. so it's kinda like netBSD" [12:14] some assembly required [12:18] Like Lego or Mecano then [12:18] more like dna... :-P [12:18] with no picture on the box to help... [12:18] zmoylan-pi: That car is wrecked [12:19] i wonder if it would pass any countries mot... [12:20] Its got a wheel at each corner (even if it is triangular) [12:21] it does make you curious as to what happened to it that crushed it so much but left it running [12:21] it looks like it was lifted by a chain [12:27] This was on the NW Motorway police twitter feed the other day https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CngiEYsXgAAZYXW.jpg drink driver over twice the legal limit, drove on the motorway with his vehicle like this.. [12:28] Looks 100% roadworthy compared to the car in zmoylan-pi's link [12:29] :S [12:29] can only imagine they must've crashed and then kept going [12:30] Either that or the tyre blew & kept going [12:31] the poor road :) [12:31] and the debris left behind to be thrown up by following cars [13:27] restricted mode on youtube is ridiculous [13:28] what's that? [13:28] i want to disable smutty thumbnail suggestions from coming up after i've watcha video [13:28] its a safe mode [13:28] but its a blunt mallety [13:28] it turns off comments and the most benign videos, such as lara croft locks the butler in the freezer [13:29] they need a better filter than that [13:29] and there's a big difference betwewen seeing comments and unrelated pornographic still shots [13:30] those thumbs are becoming all too common, youtube is a real mess for sure [13:33] yeh [13:44] dang: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/26/nyregion/l-train-will-shut-down-from-manhattan-to-brooklyn-in-2019-for-18-months.html [13:44] that's a long closure [13:45] they found a leaf on the line? :-P [13:46] wonder how it'll affect uk workers....Oh, not at all [13:46] well depends how bad brexit is by then and which british companies end up in manhattan... :-P [13:46] closer to 'home', i hear southwest trains have gotten quite rough? [13:46] southern, maybe? [13:46] swt are okay [13:47] also, free wifi [13:47] oh right, didn't think there was a distinction [13:47] i always train about when on the 'mainland' :) [13:47] southern go kinda south out of victoria, and southwest go kinda south-west out of waterloo [13:47] (mostly) [13:47] ah yeah [13:48] I went on both at the weekend as part of my "tour of nuclear power stations" trip [13:48] saw carriages over the weekend with compartments... didn't know we had any in ireland... [13:48] o0 what prompted that? :) [13:48] I'm on the waterloo/salisbury line [13:48] I was on a train in Germany on Thursday. Chatting to a friend. Some german bloke walked past. Stopped, and said "popey?" [13:48] northwest is euston [13:48] Turns out he's a listener, user of Ubuntu and ubuntu phone owner [13:49] although I think basingstoke also serves the solent region so winchester, southampton etc. [13:49] XD [13:49] popey: haha [13:49] daftykins: friend of mine organised a trip [13:49] popey: you're infamous [13:49] What is the conference that has happened in Liverpool around august over the last few years [13:49] oggcamp? [13:49] soon they'll be asking for autographs [13:49] popey: Thanks, thats it [13:49] hah [13:49] he pinged me on telegram afterwards and said "should have taken a selfie" [13:50] popey: it's the Lionel Blair cut [13:50] popey: wait till people call you mycroft :-p [13:50] hahah [13:50] davmor2: I thought it was Elvis? [13:50] penguin42: it's okay it's only an advert [13:50] soon they'll be wanting popey to put his autograph on parts of their body so they can get it tattooed later... ::me knows the people:: :-P [13:50] If oggcamp happens in 2017, people from down south should be aware that there'll be a new bridge over the mersey open at runcorn that will be a toll bridge [13:51] If it happens in Liverpool again [13:51] Theres a toll theres a toll in the dungeon [13:51] Old Runcorn-Widnes bridge will also be tolled/closed around then [13:52] Which is the direct route to Liverpool from the M6 [13:52] das popey. [13:52] via M56 [13:52] in some corny allo allo accent i hope [13:52] DJones: Convenient for those running a toll bridge [13:52] http://www.merseygateway.co.uk/ [13:52] the trolls can meet under it [13:53] Causing road chaos at the moment for locals [13:53] the trip at the weekend was to Arthur Dents house, The Red Lion (where he and Ford prefect had 6 beers), http://www.the-observatory.org/ , Dungeness, a secret underground bunker, alien trail in Rendlesham, tour of sizewell B... [13:53] busy weekend [13:54] the movie or the tv show? [13:54] my my [13:54] zmoylan-pi: radio :-p [13:55] zmoylan-pi: the tv show [13:57] zmoylan-pi: tv show [13:57] zmoylan-pi: http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle.php?id=16770&l=fr [13:58] the tv show is all on youtube these days [13:58] yeah [13:59] davmor2: you're french? [13:59] I think you'll be able to read better if you used http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle.php?id=16770&l=en [13:59] diddledan: no it was just the first image that showed the house from google images [13:59] sacré bleu [14:00] blue sugar? [14:00] nope [14:00] or lude sacrifice? [14:01] it's sacred blue, of course [14:01] nono, I think it's a naughty sacrifice (like blue-movie is a naughty movie) [14:02] the waiter says it a lot whilst the two NAMBLAs are chasing the South Park boys [14:02] Nambla? [14:02] y'know, the North American Marlon Brando Look-Alikes [14:02] and the other one isn't really appropriate to repeat in here [14:04] http://pics.imcdb.org/0is369/bscap0118jl.199.jpg that one [14:04] https://twitter.com/popey/status/757160393169076225 [14:04] doesn't look a lot different now [14:05] defenders based on daredevil and jessica jones has a good teaser trailer from comicon this week: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBZtM8q2Z1g [14:06] * daftykins makes it nice and big for zmoylan-pi - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoH5XHaWcAAvVJ2.jpg:large [14:06] daftykins: he only has 10 inches, you need to shrink it for him, surely? [14:06] no plaque for the h2g2 fans? [14:07] i couldn't see one [14:07] didn't go too close as it's private land [14:09] ergh. chrome keeps crashing on me [14:09] where is the red lion? [14:10] there's one just north of town here on Guernsey ;) [14:16] foobarry: http://www.shepherdneame.co.uk/pubs/haywards-heath/red-lion [14:16] really nice pub. had some food and not quite six beers [14:20] and no peanuts to replace the salt after transport? [14:22] i was tempted to buy some peanuts [14:22] but went for cheesy chips instead :) [14:26] the dentrasi would not be impressed [14:28] probably did have to use babelfish to order from the foreign staff in pub mind... :-P [14:29] the recent arrivals from Ursa-major-minor really don't understand the Southern accent that well [14:30] pfft, even the babelfish is thrown by some irish accents :-P [14:30] heh [14:39] zmoylan-pi: yeah but irish is like galifrayan - nobody understands it [14:39] gali what? [14:41] might be with an e [14:41] galifrey [14:41] either way [14:41] daftykins: if you don't know what galifrey is then please get your coat and check your geek card in at the door :-p [14:42] http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Gallifreyan [14:42] * daftykins gets his coat [14:42] hehe [14:42] * penguin42 offers diddledan a jelly baby [14:42] i don't watch Dr. Who [14:42] :-o [14:42] * penguin42 hasn't for a few decades, but still [14:42] heretic! [14:42] and slips a sonic screwdriver into his pocket that will raise questions going through security... [14:42] diddledan: It's never been any good after Tom Baker [14:42] lol [15:29] JamesTait: what day is it!? [15:29] i just called ebay to tell 'em their system doesn't accept local mobile numbers ;) [15:30] this ought to be good [15:31] daftykins, I haven't even looked yet! [15:32] Thread the Needle Day, according to several sources. Hot Fudge Sundae Day as well. [15:34] isn’t sundae day redundant usage of day? [15:35] it might be a bit confusing to write sunda(e/y) [15:35] that would have made more sense yesterday, too ;) [15:38] A Sunday sundae? [15:38] Or is it a sundae Sunday? [15:45] i bet that diddledan would have a Sunday Sundae on a Friday! [16:24] yay i'm getting my new mechanical keyboard sooner than expected \o/ go amazon! [17:45] * zmoylan-pi rips open a pack of after eight mints in defiance of all social norms... [17:48] with zeez after eight at before 7pm you are really spoiling uzz [17:48] [17:48] zmoylan-pi: Yes but will the pack survive until 8 ? [17:48] not if we work hard [17:53] https://twitter.com/JakesTakes/status/757614580927500288 [17:53] you’re welcome [17:54] the only animal to be born with horns... [18:01] zmoylan-pi: Have you seen Donald Trump's baby photo's? [18:02] Although, that might defeat the definition of "animal" [18:03] that assumes he was born and not as suspected by many... summoned... [18:04] grown or ejected [18:05] ejected makes him sound like waste ectoplasm from ghostbusters [18:05] But if the cap fits.... [18:09] once you cut 2 holes in it for his horns... [19:06] robot wars new series was fun \o/ [19:14] yeah [19:14] Sam hadn't heard of it, we sat and watched it together, he loved it [19:14] meant later bed time, which may be partly why he loved it [19:15] and then young dreams of making a killer robot... [19:16] yeh just be careful where you leave your pi and chainsaw [19:17] just tried iplayering it and got told "This content cannot be played in our HTML5 Player" [19:17] they have an HTML5 player? === christel is now known as hipstel [19:46] it looked just like what i thought it would look like coming out of the box... :-) http://motherboard.vice.com/read/watch-this-guy-turn-on-a-20000-watt-light-bulb?trk_source=popular [19:49] how many amps does it take to run 20KW? [19:50] watch the vid, he has a rig for taking 100amps and outputting 90+ to the bulb [19:51] he's sweating just from the light... [19:55] why does he have that huge cable in his house?! [19:55] for overclocking his rasp pi for 2 nanoseconds... :-P [19:56] I wonder how many homes he's accidentally burnt-down? [19:56] i wonder if his eyesight came back [19:57] of course if a neighbour started playing loud music he could put that in the garden and fly a drone with mirror attached to reflect light into theirs... [20:04] https://www.dropbox.com/s/dnwc5uthcyvtq9b/Hitman-bug.flv?dl=0 - here's me finding bugs in games [20:11] o_O [20:11] teleport [20:12] and the curious case of the confused drinks glass [20:13] ;] [20:13] i put poison in it so completed an entire playthrough before i realised he had vanished [20:13] by chance i had an autosave there so i could see what was happening [20:21] so you tried to kill a guy but he decided to just cease existence rather than be killed by you? [20:22] that's not really very sporting of him is it? [20:24] watching robot wars - the second bout was carnage [20:49] wow carbide (robot) is a thing of pure evil [20:49] diddledan_: it is quite rude, though it was a sedative so he's having a very good nap in the afterlife === hipstel is now known as christel [23:07] Hmm.. Jimmy Carr is in Montreal this weekend